Dyson Cinetic Myths - Testing How Good It Really is!

This video debunks several myths about Dyson’s amazing Cinetic cyclone filtration technology. Update: The performance of the V11 in max mode has been added since the original release!
Links:
• Dyson’s final mains cleaners reviewed - • Review of Dyson Cineti...
• What happens if you don’t wash the V11 cordless filter? - • How Long Can You Avoid...
• Why Cinetic filtration is amazing - • Dyson Cinetic Technolo...

[@sosukewifhat]

very thorough review, i'm surprised we can still find quality content like this on youtube, thanks a lot !!

[@VacuumFacts]

Me too. It's very disturbing how YT has evolved. It's a regressively capitalist machine now.

[@HCG]

Great video. Just to reiterate: Dyson’s filtration system, ESPECIALLY with the Cinetic, requires that you empty the bin as soon as the contents reach the “Max” line-even if there is space on the other sides. Failing to do so compromises the cyclonic and HEPA filtration in the normal Dyson vacuums and will completely clog the Cinetic’s filtration system. Failing to follow simple directions is the reason people had issues with the Cinetic vacuums.

[@VacuumFacts]

Mostly right. There are nuances you may not be aware of. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6apYYRmrZiDbqc

[@BigRyan505]

I have the Cinetic Animal+Allergy upright. I never let it overfill, i empty at or just below the max line or after each cleaning, and wipe the mesh shroud off inside when it starts accumulating anything, usually every 3 to 4 months. Filters have very very small carbon discoloration inside after nearly 5 years of use. I've put it through some tuff cleaning, it always stays constant and really cleans the air

[@VacuumFacts]

Yeah, they work as advertised. This video fully exposed all the propagandist dyson racists who continually made false claims (without evidence) at the time Cinetic models were released-often by 'repair shops' and the like whose false economy was threatened by advancements in technology.

[@Ecksterphono]

I conducted an experiment with my V11, absolute pro. I cut a piece of bounce sheet and put it in the canister bin of the machine. I've noticed a very good improvement on the canister. All that fine dust stuck to the bounce sheet and didn't cling to the canister. Lots of the fine particles are statically charged. Without the bounce sheet i tapped the canister lightly and the fine particulate dropped onto the paper towel. This was done after 1/2 hour of vacuuming. Then I cut a small section of bounce sheet and stuck it into the canister and vaccumed some light carpeting and floors upstairs for 1/2 hour and wow, the fine particulate stuck to the bounce sheet. After inspecting the canister on the screen and in the main passages there was barely any fine particulate stuck to it but the bounce sheet held all the particles. After tapping the canister nothing came out of the cyclones and using a flashlight inspecting the inside it was very clean. Even the seals on the lid and on the top of the bin had no dirt accumulations.

[@proz71ful19]

This is a very good experiment thank you for the info!!

[@TwinbeeUK]

Wonderful video. This has taught me that if I do dare to hoover up sawdust or concrete dust with my v11 Torque, it would be best to use it on boost mode so that less fine dust makes it through to the filter/motor area.

[@VacuumFacts]

That would reduce the service life of your battery if a regular occurrence. The real lesson is to simply rinse the filter.

[@TwinbeeUK]

@@VacuumFacts For me, it wouldn't be regular, just the occasional spot of DIY.

[@Ariccio123]

I'm seriously considering getting one of these just as a shop vac. My outsize absolute handled construction dust on boost without a hint of trouble and I didn't even need to clean the filter.

[@Ariccio123]

I placed the order for a used Dyson cinetic mains vacuum finally today. I should have done it a week ago - I found the ONE or TWO things that my outsize absolute cannot handle. Ultra fine drywall dust. Even on boost mode, it's been clogging the filter. It really did shockingly well for a LONG time. I suspect what's going on is that some of it has gotten embedded in the filter in exactly the way that needs to be washed out. Since I only have one filter, and I've been using it every day for this very fine construction dust, I haven't been able to wash it and wait the 24 hours + for it to dry. This definitely counts as extreme abuse. Before these last few days, I was making it through an entire bin full of drywall dust from 80 grit and 120 grit drywall sanding - I've one of those diy kits that let's you hook up a vacuum to capture the sanding dust so it doesn't go everywhere - and only just starting to clog the prefilter. Sadly, they're currently out of stock for this exact filter unit, so I can't rotate them and wash one while using the other. If Dyson were to make a Dyson cinetic shop vacuum, and made one with a big enough airflow path for the big chunks and such to not get stuck, oh my God they'd corner the whole market! It really does exceptionally well even without cinetic cyclones... It would be amazing with cinetic! I'll come back here after abusing the cinetic model.

[@VacuumFacts]

I suspect the 'shop vac' market is relatively numerically insignificant. But maybe a Cinetic already is an effective shop vac, if that's how someone wants to use it.

[@Ariccio123]

@@VacuumFacts I don't know the size of it. I wonder now. But if you compare to the highest end dust extractors used for the worst work conditions, where sometimes by law they need to use vacuums, the current market has vacuums that run *thousands* of dollars. Imagine if Dyson entered that market, with a cheaper product?

[@robertgwisdala5795]

I have a Dyson DC33 and a Dyson Ball Animal 2. I bought the DC33 brand new from Walmart in June 2017 and I bought the Ball Animal 2 brand new from Lowe’s in November 2017. The DC33 is rated at 240 air watts and the Ball Animal 2 is rated at 270 air watts. They are excellent machines. They have washable lifetime filters (Pre Filter and Post Filter) and lifetime belts. They have sealed HEPA filtration.

[@GoodDaySir]

As someone in the market for a new vac who like facts and evidence vs marketing and feelings, I appreciate the effort put in here.

[@VacuumFacts]

Dyson V15 is the best cleaner on the market atm, overall. Comes with a premium pricetag though...

[@bjorn-adilsamni9818]

I have a old dc29 orgin plus from 2011 and its still going strong

[@Dysonballs]

The missing important part added! Makes perfect sense why Cinetic is not yet available on their cordless models. Battery tech being the main part that will enable this in time. Explains and backs up what I thought in the past why Dyson never had power settings on their corded machines as it affects the volumetric air flow through the cyclones.

[@VacuumFacts]

Showing the increased filtration performance in max mode on the V11 was the main missing part, and this led to the conversation of why max mode can't be permanent just like on mains machines (battery tech limitations). No one spotted that I hadn't done max mode...

[@Dysonballs]

Nicely shown. No one did spot it! Least it’s added to show the complete picture.

[@zodiacfml]

coming back here because I just want to say, a few months ago, I realized why having more power is better for fine dust filtration which is quite opposite to basic expectations. fine dust is tiny and light weight, adding more speed to these particles running in circles, is equivalent to making them heavier thus less chance of going to the fine/HEPA filter. having said this, I'd continue using cordless vacs at low power because of much lower noise and less wear on the batteries. in addition, the cheapest vacs are low power, thus also low noise. I was able to manage or prolong filter clogging by a few more days by using an old toothbrush for cleaning whenever I empty the bin.

[@reuseful2839]

Very useful video. What's funny is how some of Dyson's material makes it sound as if there's no filter at all within it, but then there's actually a HEPA filter, which is a good thing.

[@VacuumFacts]

Yup. Best cyclonic filtration they ever made. Hope it will return on handhelds in future when battery capacity allows.

[@garrettdodson6110]

We have serviced hundred of cinetoic machines since they were launched a few years ago. Yes a few were abused so understandably clogged or had problems. However many of these machines were well taken care of machines were plagued with pets hairs and fuzzies getting caught in the shroud and in the cyclone tips. Also on many the lost hepatitis filters were caked in dust after a years worth of use rusting in burned up or very unhealthy motors. I purchased one these myself as I take most excellent care of my belongings including my vacuum. I used it every other day for a year. Never over filling, vacuuming up anything wet or even reportedly damp. At the end of the year the machine still ran well. But the post hepa filters you could literally tap against a surface and see dust falling from them. The cyclones do not work as advertised. And after a years worth of vacuuming with the Dyson I went back to my Kirby G6 and pulled up nearly half a bag full of dirt grit and other debris. Even if the Dyson cyclones truly did work perfectly the cleaning power of this machines is still sub par.

[@VacuumFacts]

o_0 Well that vague anecdote fully refutes the meticulous empirical observations shown in the video. >_> I've seen absolutely no evidence to show how your claims of failure can be reproduced without abuse. The video clearly evidences they work; you haven't accounted for this observation and have literally ignored it. Any failures are almost certainly due to neglect. If you have reputable evidence to support your otherwise unconvincing claim that "the cleaning power of this machines is still sub par", please send it along for scrutiny. Myths about Kirby cleaners are exposed and debunked on my channel.

[@VacuumFacts]

...figures

[@SonicSouz]

Ive had my machine for 6 years. You have to somewhat baby these machines. The cinetic cyclones need high velocity air to work, it does clog somewhat easily (bypass valve getting activated easily) but my post motor filters weren't that dirty after 6 years. If they kept developing these I think they would have improved, but the 700w motor EU limitations killed that. Those 700w motors aren't strong enough fir Cinetic cyclones to work effectively

[@anthonyd.2518]

What a great review! I made the mistake of buying a Philips bagless vacuum cleaner. Regrets afterwards. I've been using a Dyson for years whose engine I've renewed. Your video made me decide to buy another Dyson vacuum cleaner. Thank you!

[@VacuumFacts]

Thanks. Although, this wasn't a review, as more of a myth-debunking exercise in fact-checking.

[@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093]

I have a Cinetic (don't remember the model Big Ball?), two uprights (DC44, UP14), and two cordless (V11, V15). They all work fantastic with animal hair, dust, whatever, damn things pull dust out of carpet amazingly well. The Up14 is not maintenance friendly. Everything is screwed down on that thing. Had to replace the power button on the V11 with a metal replacement, that breaks over time. That was fun, dismantling the entire unit just to get at the button. The UP14 hose parts deteriorate for some reason. Replaced the main hose, and now the small hose for the brush head is rotted and ripped in three spots. But in the right position it still performs as if there are no rips! The suction is insane. My wife loves her Dyson hair dryer and fan. We might be Dyson fans. The stuff lasts, that's for sure.

[@VacuumFacts]

The latest cordless machines are even more maintenance friendly. Essentially all modular for swap-and-play.

[@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093]

@@VacuumFacts At least the battery is detachable and the power button isn't so mechanical (v11 to v15)

[@VacuumFacts]

Yes. Although the battery never needed changing (short of abuse and neglect), and the trigger required no extra effort to activate because it was feather touch and people only complained about hand fatigue if they didn't understand and squeezed it.

[@proz71ful19]

Screws holding everything down = Not maintenance friendly?! On what planet?

[@tony359]

amazing review, with practical tests. I have two dysons. A DC08 which I have used AND abused for more than 10 years. It only clogged when I connected it to a sander and sanded some paint (the paint debris caked internally). Taking it apart is not a big deal. And obviously it's not designed to be used like that. In my garage I have a DC32 (I think) which is always connected to tools and my table saw. Yes, the filter tends to clog easily when abused a lot but hey, again the Dyson is not designed for that. Still, it outperformed a £200 Makita dust extractor. For domestic use, my DC08 has been working FLAWLESSLY since 2008. I look forward to checking all your other videos! :)

[@VacuumFacts]

And some of my naysayers still claim you can't use it for DIY... I never believed them

[@tony359]

@@VacuumFacts I gave my brother a DC08 I got for free. The DC08 has a design flaw on the bypass valve (when it's triggered, it stays open even though the flow is restored - that translates into a slower flow in the cyclons which, as you noticed, results into a lower efficiency, clogging the filter). With that sorted, he's using it to suck ash from his fireplace and it says it works way better than a dedicated machine he had purchased for the task. Yes, I do feel Dyson's are great for DIY - there are better machines for the task indeed but I can get a second hand Dyson for £50 which I can use in my workshop.

[@VacuumFacts]

Whether that affects all machines or just that one isn't clear. But the DC08 is a 20 year old machine not even sold anymore. Some of the newer machines have the valve before the cyclones, so no reduction in cyclonic filtration performance if triggered. And they definitely reset. The cordless models don't even have such a feature; if blocked for long enough, they simply report a blockage and stop.

[@tony359]

@@VacuumFacts Both my DC08 have the same flaw. For the "average" person that simply means "the filter keeps getting clogged" since if the bypass triggers at the beginning of a cleaning cycle, they would then keep cleaning with that reduced filtration. The bypass lets air in from outside directly into the motor (the idea is that it could be the cyclonic unit being clogged so it has to bypass directly to the motor to prevent overheating) hence the overall air expelled by the unit is the same but only a fraction of air now goes through the cyclonic unit - hence the reduced filtration and filters (which are AFTER the cyclonic unit) get clogged etc. It is indeed disappointing to see such expensive machines with such important - and easy to fix - flaws. But I still love my dysons, they just save me tons of money in bags and - if used correctly - they just do what they advertise.

[@clinteastwood8222]

I had the Cinetic ball 2 was very impressed by it. The retractable cord mechanism eventually broke 😢 and I’m now passed the stage of dragging wires and pulling the machine around. I currently have the V11 and upgraded the torque head to the v15 anti tangle head and upgraded the original purple filter to the blue HEPA filter from the V15. So I’m good for another couple of years. Hopefully with improvement to battery technology we will see a cinetic cordless. I do find if I operate the v11 upside down its more likely to clog the filter 🌪️

[@VacuumFacts]

I've never once managed to clog a filter by using the cordless upside down. In fact, when I think about it, I've never once seen a reproducible, objectively quantified methodology published to reproduce a filter clog. As such, I'm sceptical it can happen in normal use, with a bit of care, such as emptying the bin after every use, taking all of 5 seconds.

[@trsworldofvacuums]

People could just get faulty units too and I even had a cinetic and the motor burned up I believe it was an early cinetic that had motor problems or could still be faulty.

[@VacuumFacts]

It's conceivable, but I've seen absolutely no convincing evidence to support that claim whatsoever and believe it to be a myth.

[@jrkc9218]

Why wouldn’t you test it twice with it upright then do an upside down? Though, in any study, if there is a difference found, regardless, you’ve proven your there’s a significant result. Truly amazing tech. Do you think your result of the handheld have been compromised because you filled it past the max, thus decreasing its performance? Thanks for the video! Very interesting.

[@VacuumFacts]

Bear in mind, this wasn't a scientific study; just a quick myth bust. RE fill line: not really, given that max mode (mains comparable) showed no significant filter accumulation. I also filled the Cinetic model above the max too (deliberately) and it showed no filter dust. Its brilliant bin design helps there. I was only above max briefly too.

[@lonislan]

Nice video buddy!! Is it ok to use the Cinetic units cleaning animal hair etc? I read a comment here that they clog the cyclone tips, is that possible?

[@VacuumFacts]

Never believe unsubstantiated claims made in wild-west comments. Always demand evidence to support their claim that demonstrates a clear methodology for others to independently reproduce. If they provide none, then there's no reason to believe it. Testimony is not evidence. I've seen no convincing evidence to support that myth.

[@filiplaskovski9993]

Since Dyson stopped manufacturing corded vacuums, will their Cinetic cyclone technology ever come to their cordless machines ??

[@VacuumFacts]

Unlikely now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oojTlX5oaJmLnLc

[@K2teknik.]

So where can we find the test results from test due to ASTM F608 / ASTM F2608 / IEC 60312 for these Dyson vacuums ? Dyson as well as most other vacuum manufactures won't show them to us for what ever reason most likely they think we can't find out to read them, but they must be there, right ? What I am interest in it how well Dyson can filter fine dust (below 2 μm), how much is parsing the cyclone and end up in the filters. How do we define dust ?

[@VacuumFacts]

I've not found a public record of them, presumably because competitors abuse and cherry pick dataset to unfairly self-serve. I recommend you conduct the industry test formally yourself, or commission a professional laboratory on your behalf if you are genuinely interested in the answers to those questions.

[@maxd4968]

The old style cinetic with the 1300 what motors are still sold here in Australia I I bought one a year ago now and Yes it works very well although the bin system is not as good as this one

[@VacuumFacts]

Yes; I reviewed it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaOkhKGGa9VjldU

[@HCG]

It’s a damn shame Dyson stopped selling the Cinetic in the US. I would have bought one.

[@VacuumFacts]

All the Dyson machines have market leading filtration without needing to rely on a filter. You can get away with very irregular filter rinsing on the latest mains-equivalent cordless models in their default mode.

[@AverageReviewsYT]

Instructions not clear. Used cinetic canister to suck all water from pool.. unit not working now.. possible clogged filter?

[@VacuumFacts]

There are people literally that dumb. I was told a story only the other day of someone who, while vacuuming, sucked up water out of the toilet bowl. The vacuum later stopped working and they asked their spouse to investigate without telling them what they did or apparently connecting the dots. When plugging it in, they were nearly electrocuted as it exploded. People are literally THAT dumb...and many grace my comments section, irate at the Dyson brand because their expensive products can't compensate for their staggering idiocy, and advocating the misleading filth channels that spread lies and propaganda to peddle a false economy or ensure their 'tribe' wins. My whole channel was to educate and neutralise their impact. And it seems to be working-at least amongst the semi-conscious viewers I have.

[@AverageReviewsYT]

@@VacuumFacts my comment disappeared.. hmmm

[@VacuumFacts]

@@AverageReviewsYT Not sure which one, but this one is here.

[@TwinbeeUK]

@@AverageReviewsYT I can see it perfectly clearly. It was a joke and said "Instructions not clear. Used cinetic canister to suck all water from pool.. unit not working now.. possible clogged filter?".

[@AverageReviewsYT]

@@TwinbeeUK no ther e was another comment that was there… not sure what happened to it. I suspect my iPad was being garbage again lol

[@vitallycheck]

Why they stop selling units with this technology ? I've seen only Radial Root Cyclone technology....

[@VacuumFacts]

They haven't; Cinetic technology is still on sale: www.dyson.fr/aspirateurs/traineaux/cinetic-big-ball-cylinder The cylinders are just not popular, mains have been replaced, and this video explains why handhelds (the future) don't likely have it.

[@maxd4968]

Very much haven’t. They discontinued the filtered cylinders in Australia

[@jaro6985]

@@VacuumFacts Great video but saying handhelds are the future is ignoring that they just wont work for certain applications. Corded vacuums will always exist.

[@PCSpider]

So...why did you not weigh the inaccessible HEPA filter before and after the flour test? Why did you not particle count the machine?

[@VacuumFacts]

Couldnt fit something that massive on the scale. But unlike the other two filters which had clear visible dust on, there was nothing visible, meaning if there was something on there, it was so trivial. And in either case, it shows clearly that the dust accumulation rate is so trivially tiny despite accelerated real-world usage, that the claims are almost certainly true. The weight was irrelevant anyway because, as stated, this was a qualitative test; the weight was merely a visual aid. Why did you think the weight was important when the test was not quantitatively controlled? It seems contradictory that you're quick to fire off these questions to try and discredit, but overlook the obvious that was even stated in the video. xD

[@VacuumFacts]

... figures

[@PCSpider]

@@VacuumFacts I'm not replying because your literally dodging questions like a damn troll! "It was too massive to fit on the scale." So your withholding information and jumping to MASSIVE conclusions because you don't have the proper testing equipment for the machines you DARE claim to have facts on? RIDICULOUS! You don't even attempt to answer my question on the particle counter. I really wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't any dust in that filter, BECAUSE THE DAMN THING BLEW IT INTO THE AIR! Dysons are notorious for blowing particles in the MILLIONS. No surprise too with that chinsey Malaysian child-labor quality. GO AHEAD dodge more questions with ridiculous answers, you're not worth my time. No wonder your such a laughing stock in the vacuum community! No wonder why you have to disable your likes, dislikes, AND subscriber count!

[@VacuumFacts]

@@PCSpider I think you missed the point where I said it was a qualitative test and the weight was purely visual and doesn't indicate anything. And the point where I said that you can see it works amazingly, regardless. Not sure why you're raising a particle counter strawman; measure that yourself if you're interested. Every other claim you made I don't believe because there's no evidence. And your incorrect and racist conclusion pretty much sums you up. You can't defend your position, so might as well run away like everyone else back to your bridge.

[@PCSpider]

@@VacuumFacts Ah yes...How racist of me to discourage people from buying a vacuum made with child labor.

[@enriquevp77]

The infamous Dyson Cinetic system of my vacuum got completely clogged in just three times of use what is almost new, and as I've been researching this is a common issue on every single model of the Brand. Trying to fix it is totally impractical since the filter unit was designed to make it barely impossible to disassemble and clean. Avoid purchase any Dyson item at all costs.

[@VacuumFacts]

Hell knows what you did to it then. Given the evidence presented here that it works perfectly, and absolutely no evidence whatsoever for your wild and unbelievable claims, I can only conclude you're likely not telling the whole truth...

[@grimmdiy7282]

Do not vacuum your wet cat litter, no clogging with dry dirt at all.

[@vforvendetta6193]

Vega, sounds more like vegans and those type of hipsters who are unable to buy a Dyson anyways. So Enrique is all bullshit and never had one.... don't listen to his bullshit... they just want to chose crap stuff and cry about good systems they cannot afford

[@youremybiggestfan]

Is it good or bad if alot of stuff doesnt get stuffed in the filter lol.

[@VacuumFacts]

It's a good thing; filters in good technology should be a last line of defense, not a first. That's because they clog. The longer you can use it without performance reduction and subsequent need to rinse, the better the technology. Dyson solved the issue decades ago and many still aren't there. Those that are produce substantially poorer filtration performance. My reviews show a lot of this.

[@parwaz7861]

My local mosque uses a DC04 silver/lime, DC14 origin and DC55, they have lots of fine dust in their carpets from the hundreds of people who come in with their shoes off to pray 5x a day so they need an excellent vacuum that can cope with fine dust. No vacuum has ever been adequate for their needs apart from Dysons. The DC04 and 14 seem to need less maintenance possibly due to the thicker pre filter, the DC55 filter needs more attention (they know to empty at max like I told them to), they use the DC14 the most due to how reliable it's been. I wish their pre filters still used a thick sponge material to maintain airflow better A cinetic machine would be brilliant, not a Dc75 because I tried mine there and it didn't work unfortunately. Maybe it's because the Dc75 has less airflow than the cylinder machines, it can't spin the tangle free head as quick as the big ball cylinder or DC54 and cyclones need optimal airflow I reckon Good video tho I always wondered how effective the ball animal 2 upright's cyclones were, looks like a great vac for the mosque if it wasn't for the older style cyclones

[@VacuumFacts]

What does "didn't work" mean and how did you know out of interest?

[@parwaz7861]

@@VacuumFacts the 75 performed well but the cyclones let dust through, this is how I did my official cinetic testing to see for myself if the cyclone worked I just vacuumed the carpets there till I filled it to max and then checked the inner duct of the cyclone, there wasn't a lot of dust but very little like a fine layer, had to wipe my finger to see

[@VacuumFacts]

@@parwaz7861 That's not convincing evidence the cyclones didn't work. The mass of dust accumulated on the filter is the only way to properly conclude anything about cyclonic efficiency.

[@parwaz7861]

@@VacuumFacts isn't cinetic cyclonic separation meant to capture all particles tho? I just found it disappointing that there was dust in the inner tube after one vacuuming session I really think they should make their cyclones 3 stages again at the least if they can't use a more powerful motor because that's clever engineering, improving efficiently without wastage of anything

[@VacuumFacts]

@@parwaz7861 No. It's meant to capture the particles a post-motor filter would have captured. The cinetic tips reduce the cut point size. The post-motor filter is supposed to not clog sufficiently in its 10 year lifetime that there's be a reduction in performance. Only by looking at the filter can you make any meaningful conclusions about it. Hence why I did that in the video. Their cyclones have never been 'three stages' (I'd need to see clear evidence explicitly demonstrating this to believe it). They've been 'three tier' (actually two), but as explained in the other comment, they don't pass air through a same effective cyclone multiple times.

[@Dysonballs]

@Vacuum Facts a clip you may have seen... m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJXOqIasfLmrl7c Video that shows Dyson testing the machines filtration and seals on their machines. Something that is often a query that pops up from people and the video shows what they test!

[@sbomorse]

How is this different from the earlier upload?

[@VacuumFacts]

I didn't test the V11 on high mode (which I recorded yesterday), which shows that with increased volumetric air flow through the cyclones, you increase filtration performance. And explained why we can't have max mode constantly, which is what the future might bring and also allow for Cinetic.

[@wyacheslawtyagelskiy8332]

Если я правильно понял, то современные аккумуляторные пылесосы не обладают функцией кинетической очистки циклонов, и там применены фильтры, а всё это из-за аккумулятора, так как нет возможности увеличить поток воздуха на том же уровне что у проводных пылесосов, но по сравнению с другими производителями всеравно пылесос справляется со своими функциями не плохо, а в дальнейшем, когда появятся аккумуляторы более энергоёмкие, возможно система кинетик будет снова применена и в беспроводных пылесосах. Ещё была мысль о том, что эта система может не работать, если пылесос перевёрнут кверху ногами, но как показал эксперимент, всё работает

[@VacuumFacts]

That pretty much sums up the video.

[@RoboVacParty]

good test!!

[@VacuumFacts]

Technically a test wasn't necessary. It was obvious it would do this from the science and the official claims made by Dyson. But I nicely (qualitatively) checked it for myself. Ironically, the only people who didn't check were those who disregard facts and common sense! They preferred propaganda. Debunking their nonsense and exposing their nature was the main benefit of this video.

[@parwaz7861]

You shoulda tried the Dc75 upright cinetic model, that's the one that gets criticised as having inferior cyclones. The DC54 has excellent cyclones because it has 3 stages of cyclonic separation, the Dc75 has 2 so it's not as efficient. Im sure the DC75 cyclones are good but they're not as good as the cylinder cinetic models from personal experience

[@VacuumFacts]

Unfortunately, I didn't own that one and I had no intention of buying them all. The technology is the same, regardless of the propaganda. There is no evidence other specific models don't work as effectively and there's no good reason why they shouldn't. Cyclone efficiency (cut point) is determined by the volumetric air current passing through a given cyclone, not by the 'number of stages', which is a marketing term to denote how the cyclones are bundled together in the space available. This video shows the technology fundamentally works. It explains why it works and why it's not likely present on handhelds yet. It has debunked all the propaganda and lies. All evidence has shown the sources criticising it were incorrect, as might be predicted from their lack of credible evidence or any demonstration of technical knowledge of the underlying science.

[@parwaz7861]

@@VacuumFacts that's cool and I understand your points but in terms of my own real world usage where I haven't abused it, it was a brand new bin and cyclone assembly as well and it just didn't work on my 75, my dc54 cinetic just works a lot better for some reason, there's gotta be a reason why and I think it's because the 54 not only has a mote powerful motor but also it has 3 bins, one for each stage of cyclonic separation Cos the cyclones are good, no doubt about that but it's better for the air to go through the cyclones 3x rather than 2 to ensure that maximum filtration is ensured, I've not seen any dust exiting my dc54 cyclone yet after many bin fulls whereas the dc75 took one vacuuming session at the mosque, I vacuumed till the dirt reached the max line and then I stopped to check and unfortunately the inner chamber had dust in it, it was a very fine layer but I'm really picky

[@VacuumFacts]

@@parwaz7861 I don't believe that's how it works. It would make no sense to feed the air through the same effective cyclone 3 times. That's like spinning your clothes in the washer 3 times; they're no dryer because drying is related to centrifugal force (spin speed) and reaches a plateux with time. And that means you linearise rather than parallelise and thus curtail your air current dramatically, which reduces cyclonic efficiency. That makes no sense and I think you've misunderstood how they work. The air drawn through the shroud is distributed through ALL cyclones proportionally in parallel. Utilising a larger number of cyclones in parallel means you reduce air current restriction.

[@VacuumFacts]

@@parwaz7861 The advert for the DC54 does not even say they it has "3 stages of cyclonic separation", it says they have "54 small cyclones arranged on 2 levels". Not sure where you got that from. :)

[@parwaz7861]

@@VacuumFacts I know what you're saying, once the air goes through the shroud it divided I to the number of cyclones but what I'm saying is the dc54 cyclones work better than the 75 based on my own experience in the real world One single cyclone isn't good enough that's why you need at least 2 to get the air reasonably clean. It ain't as good as using 3 stages though because then the air will expel out cleaner is what I'm trying to say, the dc17 and 23 had it and they reintroduced it on the dc54, all of which seem to have excellent cyclone efficiency. I took my dc17 to the mosque as well once with my dc41 mk2 and the dc41 mk2 filter clogged with all that dust whereas the dc17 kept going and the filter was almost spotless (very very little dust was on it after bin full after bin full)

[@JJ9715]

Does anyone know how a dual cyclonic vacuum would compare to a multi cyclonic or cinetic vacuum? I do know the dual cyclonic is the oldest of the cyclone technology.

[@VacuumFacts]

Not quantitatively. It is less efficient (larger cut point size).

[@mr.sunnyg5510]

Nice video.

[@kiyabyers]

Dyson, bring back Cinetic!

[@robbym3542]

I think they were concerned about motor failure due to no pre motor filter so they cancelled it.

[@VacuumFacts]

You realise it was actually magic goblins which cast a hex and caused it to fail; that's why they cancelled it. >_>

[@VacuumFacts]

For anyone with an IQ, the reason why they likely discontinued the concept in the cordless range (their future) is provided in this video that people don't watch carefully before commenting...

[@robbym3542]

@@VacuumFacts animal 2 and animal 3 that came after the cinetic big ball have pre and post motor filters. I have a cinetic big ball animal and after using it you can see a light dust film on the tube coming from the canister. I wipe it out every time and the dust comes back so obviously the motor is sucking dust in.

[@VacuumFacts]

Yes, that's because mains is old hat; they took existing established technology and made a 'final version' (the animal 3 BTW is the light ball from 2017) which lacked all the latest features. Self-cleaning shrouds were also in the cinetic models but not on the animal 3. By your logic, that tech didn't work either. Except that IS in the stick vacs. The cinetic cylinder cleaner is also still sold in some countries (all this was discussed in this video you didn't watch along with the REAL reason why they stopped it [hint: it's a physical aerodynamic reason]). Your claim about motor 'sucking dust in' doesn't show any understanding of this technology (also fully discussed in this video you didn't apparently watch), or that over its 10 year lifetime, in the absence of abuse, it will never lose suction. I also showed clear evidence in the video you didn't watch that it can suck up huge amounts of fine dust and nothing significant gets past the cyclones. You seemed to ignore all this and instead make up wild claims unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

[@brianrkf]

Since the efficiency of the cyclones is based on the constant high-speed airflow, do changes in airflow (such as when starting up/ powering down, moving to a heavy dense carpet, accidental blockages etc.) affect the Cinetic performance, or is it somehow addressed in the design? I have a v11 myself but am considering a cylinder before they discontinue them for good, and the choice is Cinetic or classic big ball...

[@VacuumFacts]

Most people don't start vacuuming in the second or so before it's started up fully, so I doubt it's an issue in practice. That's the beauty of the digital motors of the dyson stick vacs; they start instantly, unlike the competitors. And cyclones still work, even when not accepting full volumetric flow rate (the V11 in normal mode shows this). I wouldn't bother with any other formfactor. I can't stand mains plugins now, especially the cylinder formfactor. They're on their way out for a reason-namely because they're relatively crap. It's like saying "Oh, I better get a candle before they discontinue them now we all have LED lights".

[@orbiktech6746]

So good that it can't handle ash and plaster when a 20 year old Numatic is just fine.

[@VacuumFacts]

Can you present to me the evidence to support your claim that "it can't handle ash and plaster"? The label on the machine saying don't pick it up is not sufficient. How do you know there aren't other reasons why those substances aren't recommended? What is the particle size distribution for these materials and how do they differ? The environment has to take an avoidable hit when using bags, and that scales *hugely* across a nation.

[@orbiktech6746]

@@VacuumFacts It says don't vacuum it up on the big sticker [because if you do it will shit the bed] and the lifetime filter will clog. There will be other substances you can't vacuum up I can imagine. Someone took one of the Cinetic vacuums apart on KZbin and shows it was low quality.

[@VacuumFacts]

@@orbiktech6746 lol right. So when I said give me some evidence (that it can't handle it specifically) and that the label isn't evidence, you responded with no evidence and said "the label says so". Right. And then you repeat a claim that if you do, it will fail, and again provide absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support your wild silly myth. Then you cite "someone" on "youtube" showing a no doubt neglected and abused cleaner (with no history or ability for anyone to freely reproduce) which doesn't relate to anything you're showing and directly contradicts the direct evidence in the video here anyway, and then conclude it's "low quality". >_> I think we know all we need to about your comments here... Myth spreading nonsensical desperado with an anti-Dyson complex

[@orbiktech6746]

@@VacuumFacts I like Dyson macines but they aren't for heavy duty use such as repeated exposure to ash and plaster. A Dyson wouldn't last on a construction site. It would look like something out of your mothers cleaning cupboard! For a heavy duty use, you need Numatic.

[@VacuumFacts]

@@orbiktech6746 More claims made without evidence. I don't believe a word you say and all this has been debunked in earlier replies. lol A Dyson isn't made for a construction site! I'd like to meet someone who regularly needs to clean up lots of ash and plaster dust in household living. The only difference really is that with a Dyson, you'd need to rinse the filter rather than polluting the environment with wasteful bags. I'd accept rubble is better suited for a Henry, but who has rubble in their home...

[@procamology2647]

I couldn't help but notice how slowly all of the machines picked up the flower. I would wager a Henry would empty that bowl in around 10 seconds.

[@VacuumFacts]

The speed the flour (you spelled it wrong...) was being picked up was determined by me, not the machine. And I varied it from light to severe, as shown in the video. And by suggesting there's some reason to champion a Henry, I suggest you bother to watch the corresponding videos on my channel to educate yourself with some facts.

[@Boodieman72]

I had not heard any propaganda about Cinetic machines.

[@VacuumFacts]

A few years ago, when it was new, it was plentiful from a few disgusting sources. They have been debunked and exposed as trash.

[@Boodieman72]

@@VacuumFacts Those people probably don't even use a vacuum on a regular basis.

[@danieli8695]

You have a very nice voice but I find your accent difficult to understand. Would it be helpful to add written text?

[@VacuumFacts]

You're welcome to translate into writing, upload to a location of your choice, and post a link here for other people, if you're as passionate as you sound.

[@ntag411]

Appears to be a technological marvel but not user friendly. All the Dyson's I've seen use a motor pre-filter and has no indicator when replacement is needed. Changing the filter as showed in the video is not user friendly. Dyson is like many a fashion product, frequent model changes, the filters need to be bought years in advance because the product will no longer be supported and third party support will likely be non existent. It's not realistic to have the user monitor the bin level, there needs to be an auto shut-off feature. And the bin needs to be larger to reduce frequency of emptying. Bagged vacuum cleaners have had the auto shut-off feature for decades and with a larger capacity. There is still the issue of emptying the bin of fine dust and cleaning the bin.

[@VacuumFacts]

You seem to have misunderstood despite it being spelled out very clearly in the video. You don't need to replace the filter 'as shown in the video'. What was 'shown in the video' was evidence that the filter doesn't get dirty with this particular technology. Not sure how on earth you got confused by this. As for your suggestion that it's not user friendly; you clearly haven't looked at the competition. And I'm completely unconvinced that the user bears no responsibility for basic care and sensible use. Your equivalent is not to expect the user to have to know when the fuel tank is empty in their car, and 'it should be bigger to avoid needing to fill it up as often' (ignoring the consequences of excessive size). Bagged cleaners also have utterly vile smells because the bag is so big and never emptied. The solution is already explained meticulously in several videos on this channel. Empty after every use; it takes 5 seconds, incurs no mess if done correctly, and is costless, without any environmental impact. I see no evidence you've thought any of this through.

[@ntag411]

@@VacuumFacts Unless it's stated upfront, it can be assumed a pro view of a product is an infomercial, sponsored or received free. The non frequent need to replace the filter does not mean no need to replace. In real life with most users they never replace the filter and the vacuum either ends up in the trash or shop. The year is 2022, like many bagged vacuums, most cars will give a low fuel tank warning. A smelly bagged system can be alleviated by replacing the bag and/or using a off-the-shelf product that is simply vacuumed. The Dyson system is not a costless system. Lack of a bin filled warning or shut-down feature and the filter never replaced by most users makes for a disposable product. Most quality bagged systems will last 20+ years. Get anywhere near this age with a Dyson and the filter(s) will likely be unavailable. Cleaning a filter will degrade it's performance dramatically.

[@VacuumFacts]

The filter is a lifetime washable filter. It never needs to be replaced (unless abuse has occurred); just rinsed. I have a video explaining the myths about the virtues of bagged cleaners. The Dyson system IS a costless system, by design (unless neglect and abuse has occurred). The bin is transparent; it is abundantly clear to any user at any time when it's full-unlike a fuel tank which is invisible and relies on a warning system. The faulty logic of long lifetime products that are less efficient than modern ones is exposed in other videos, and the lifetime myths of bagged systems and the associated running cost downside is exposed in the earlier mentioned video. You claim "Cleaning a filter will degrade it's performance dramatically", yet provide no evidence to support this falsehood.

[@HCG]

If you read the manual or any of the maintenance tips you’d realize how ridiculous your claims are. It tells you exactly how often to clean the filters and how to maintain the vacuum. If anything about owning a Dyson is confusing or anything less than simple, than unfortunately you are cognitively disadvantaged.

[@procamology2647]

Dyson have ceased production of the cinetic cyclone. I wonder why?

[@VacuumFacts]

Please can you provide clear evidence to support your claim they have ceased production? You would look very very stupid and lose all credibility if you couldn't explain very carefully why it's still for sale in some parts of the world. And if you're mindlessly suggesting, even if they had stopped production, that it was because it didn't work, you might want to bother to watch the video you're commenting rather foolishly on, which provides everything you need to know. I await your evidence, as above.

[@VacuumFacts]

...figures. Typical troll. Falsehoods and propaganda that are easy to spot a mile away. Thanks for the tutorial. :)

[@mikebergman1817]

@@VacuumFacts Wow, you are terrible at talking to people😆 This is what autism and Asperger's looks like side by side. Someone watches your video and asks a question, then you go on an NPC rant about shit that doesn't matter... instead of just answering the fucking question😂 I bet people make up excuses to avoid hanging out with you.

[@VacuumFacts]

@@mikebergman1817 Wow, you're terrible at reading. So you don't like that someone was put in their place for spreading falsehoods, despite giving every opportunity to defend their position, and decide to try to rubbish my character with offensive insults, likening someone to having mental conditions without evidence. You could have provided the evidence youself to support the contention, but you're in the same camp; disgusting troll.

[@thingyee1118]

Propaganda... where are you reading this?

[@VacuumFacts]

I'm not "reading" this from anywhere. It should be apparent from an understanding of the physical processes at work, but even if it isn't, I'm making measurements anyone can make and they were shown in the video, which I doubt you even watched given the speed between your messages across videos. That you would disregard direct empirical observations and brand them as 'propaganda' is the very definition of foolish ignorance. Your comment suggests you're unwilling to even listen. This video is a direct response to genuine propaganda, so for you to label it as such is to be at the opposite end of reality and understanding. >_>

[@thingyee1118]

@@VacuumFacts not really. You're on the back foot here. I was actually referring to your exact words in this video "propaganda". So was curious if you had the references to said material. No I watched many of your videos and then commented afterwards. Hence looking like a buffer of comment's at once if you really are looking at time stamps haha.

[@VacuumFacts]

@@thingyee1118 Oh I see. It wasn't clear what you meant initially. I thought you were accusing me of propaganda. There are videos out there that show units that have clearly been abused and have failed, and they have misleadingly been misrepresented as evidence of failure of the technology. No evidence of how to reproduce such failures was ever presented, the claims were in stark contrast to all the available evidence at the time suggesting it did work if used responsibly, and it is now in stark contrast to evidence showing the technology doesn't fail even when stress-tested. So yes, it was confirmed to be the obvious propaganda it always was. There was a lot of trash talk in comments back when I did my earlier cinetic tech videos e.g. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hV6biqaXaZmLqLM and some other videos out there if you search for them.

[@pdevonport7266]

How much do you get paid for this propaganda

[@Modi-Drink-Moot]

The main engine filter used to get really dirty n needed changing n was quite hard to do ,complete nonsense this was that's y dyson brought bk the filters

[@VacuumFacts]

No residential vacuum cleaning product has an engine. If you're suggesting cinetic didn't work under responsible usage, then please see the video for evidence to the contrary.

[@Modi-Drink-Moot]

@VacuumFacts I had an upright and a cylinder I know what I'm talking about, also the cylinder moter burned up, u did one simple test u didn't use the machine for 2 years ,loads of people complained the same thing there's a very good reason they discontinued the thing, not possible to have a vacuum without a filter or pre filter ,that's y they r there now

[@VacuumFacts]

Unfortunately, you've provided no methodology to reproduce your alleged failures, which is considerably less convincing. Also, they haven't discontinued them, globally; they're still sold. If you're wrong about that, when it's so easily fact-checkable, I've no reason to believe you're right about anything else. Everything you said is a myth debunked a long time ago. Cinetic was discontinued because the focus is now on handheld devices which can't support it and it'll not likely return because of newer, better technology. This was all discussed in the video.

[@Modi-Drink-Moot]

@VacuumFacts ur talking about newer better technology then y have they stepped back and returned to the filter??? Ur also wrong because they made one more dyson after this and its an upright without the cinetic that didn't work, every machine I worked on had burnt out motors because the filter was blocked up ,every filter I took out was destroyed by dirt, I know u want this to work but it just didn't although if perfected it would be awesome it just wasnt

[@VacuumFacts]

>> "ur talking about newer better technology then y have they stepped back and returned to the filter???" This is discussed in the very video you're commenting on. I recommend watching it. Also please read my previous comment; Cinetic products are still sold in some geographic locations. >> "they made one more dyson after this and its an upright without the cinetic" Yes, because focus was shifted to cordless research. Please see previous comment. >> "every machine I worked on had burnt out motors because the filter was blocked up" Please see previous comments. If you can provide a detailed methodology to reproduce when used as instructed, distinct from abuse and neglect, then the cause can easily be identified instead of assuming it doesn't work. There is copious evidence it works well when treated well, such as in the accelerated use case shown in the video.