E-flite - Apprentice S 15e - Flaps Mod - Part 1 of 2

[@jasonboche]

I think about how long and detailed your videos are. Then I'm reminded that your wife is standing there the whole time filming. What a trooper!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Wait, not on all the videos like this...she wasn't filmy many of the old mod videos...I had head gear that I used...and it sucked so bad!!!

[@mpikas]

FINISH IT!!! Sorry. I saw the intro to the plane yesterday and my brain went to the one that has been sitting in the window of the local hobby shop for literally years, making me somehow I think it was an older video of yours that I missed. When you talked about installing flaps I was like "I need to see that, that might apply to some of the what I want to do," and started searching and I had the "he must have never gotten back to it," reaction. ;-) Imagine how happy I was to see this :-) I’ve been thinking about cutting into a wing I have here and installing some flaps/servos and have been debating flap hinge geometry (fouler/slotted flaps vs a tape hinge) and have been wanting to keep the plane as simple/light as possible and was especially interested when you said you were going to do this with one servo and fouler flaps. So: - I'm jealous of your DX18... I have a DX6i and I seem to always need another channel... - I can’t believe that you’re doing all that work with it just balanced upside down on the airplane, that would drive me crazy, for that matter it’s driving me nuts that it’s not moving on you - The hot knife thing with the shim is kind of interesting. I’m surprised it stays hot enough for long enough to do that. The nice thing with that approach is that you can heat the tip and use the non hot part to guide the cut straight. I usually have good luck freehanding cuts like that with a good sharp blade, but this time I cut my flaps by cutting a block with the correct angle in it and I screwed a razor blade to it to get a perfect angle on the cut. - How/with what equipment are you shooting these videos? I don’t know how many times I’ve thought “I bet people would like to see me do this,” and then either gave up as it’s too big a hassle to do or set something up on a tripod and ended up with a video that didn’t really show it well or worse, tried to hand hold it making both the video and my work crappy. - I’ve been trying to find that dynam PN in stock somewhere for a while… I see you’ve found them under another PN. I was actually ready to 3d print my own. - “looks like the short side is supposed to be on the flap,” and then you go on to do it the other way 😉 I think they work out better with the short side on the flap (well after drawing out my hinges in cad to print, I haven’t gotten my hands on those) - What kind of glue where you talking about using to hold the hinges in? I couldn’t make it out in the video. Hurry up and finish this 😉 I’m very curious what to end up with and you have me seriously considering going to the hobby shop and asking if they want to get rid of the one they have that has been sitting there for years. I was wondering why no one seemed to like them, especially with all the spare parts in stock at the shop.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I already have it filmed, done and flying again :) I've been learning that releasing video too fast really hurts my channel. (sorry about that! I HATE to keep you guys waiting...)

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I can't respond to all of your points due to family stuff going on, but I'll hit a few items quickly... Stuff upside-down and loose drives me crazy too, but I learned long ago, the more times you take something apart and put it back together, the higher the likelihood of permanent damage - IE any car repair EVER - LOL! DX18 = It IS awesome, and I've never been left wanting for anything with it!DX6 = You will be jealous ;) LOL ....My conclusion and recommendation, You should get a dx8 or dx9 USED...they will be a TON cheaper, and will do everything you want to do for a long time. I got my DX18 for $405 shipped. It was a Brand new in box gen1, mode 2, and it included a 9 channel Rx (without AS3X btw). The company is out of them now, but they took very good care of me. I had a slider go bad and they replaced it with another brand new one, which I then sent the broken one back to them (at their expense)...the only catch was that I agreed to give my CC#'s to them in the even I decided NOT to return their broken one back. This was a very fare deal. Parts for Chinese brand planes can be fleeting, so buy them when you can :) I followed the instructions for the flaps on my Turbojet 550, for the hinges, then I copied it for this plane. I THINK I did it right, but definitely won't pick that "hill to die on"... Mucilage is the type of glue I was using. It's a nuance of Chinese technical ...made from tree sap or some vodo witchcraft fluid...but it's excellent, and super cheap! These are links where I'd get some credit from your purchase (maybe a few cents...) Foam-Cure - amzn.to/2CUiLMP (Similar to Mucilage) UHU Por Styrofoam Glue - amzn.to/2CXrMVy (Similar to Mucilage) Small Mucilage... Keep in mind this is not a link where I'll get any credit :(hobbyking.com/en_us/clear-foam-glue-medium-cure-large-100ml.html?___store=en_us Large Mucilage... Keep in mind this is not a link where I'll get any credit :(hobbyking.com/en_us/clear-foam-glue-medium-cure-large-100ml.html?___store=en_us Glad you're into this project. If you can get this plane for yourself, you WILL love it. It flies wonderful. I hate when I get a simple and less cool looking plane that latches onto me and becomes a favorite, since it's nothing to write home about, in the looks department, but it flies SOOOOOOOOOOOO good. You'll get it, when you pry it from your local hobbyshop's death clinch :) Gotta go for now. Thanks sharing our experience!

[@mpikas]

Brian Phillips lol. Yea. Same boat. Reading on phone between family stuff. I was wonderig if you already have it done, your playlist shows 4 videos, 2 private. ;-) Happy Father's day!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I just slipped away for a few minutes to finish up replying to comments. I only occasionally do my KZbin comments on my phone, since the PC is so much faster for me. We've been getting behind the last few weeks with house and land stuff keeping us very busy. For one of our most recent projects, we're working on a bridge to cross a stream on our new land, and since we're heading out there later today to get some more work done. I want to keep caught up so people don't get annoyed with non-answers...KZbinrs that fail, forget their most important component, the audience!!! I hate when I ask a question and 3 years later there's still no answer. This was a commitment I made (to myself and my viewers) when I stated this whole KZbin thing. 1) I won't leave projects undone, at least without explanation...sometimes I crash them - LOL 2) I won't leave people hanging, waiting endlessly for reply to questions. I hate that! Plus, I'm just kinda that type of guy. It drives my wife crazy sometimes, but it's like any other character trait, good with the bad, you know... When I say I'll do something, I mean it - to a fault. Happy Fathers Day to You too!

[@mpikas]

I get that, I'm not always so good about getting back to people on social media, but I do have a reputation for helping people/following up almost to a fault... you don't know how many times I've heard something like, "why are you wasting your time on that, they wouldn't for you." I ended up searching your Mucilage and found that it's "fish glue." Yum! Any suggestions on where to look for used RC equipment? I don't spend much time on the forums so I don't have a good lay of the land WRT to used sales. Anyway, still curious how and with what equipment you're shooting these videos... Maybe I'll start shooting some of me building things. ;-) I buy stuff occasionally from your links (ordered the hinges you linked here this morning) but I can't imagine you see all that much from things like that but I guess it doesn't hurt... I'm hoping to sneek watching the next video in sometime today... huh... Monday...

[@mariochesser7849]

I've seen 3 of your videos. I like how indepth and long your videos are.

[@stewjade]

Hey Brian, I just picked one of these from a deceased estate for $120 AU, AND, it came with a brand new spare Eflite 30amp speedy, 3000 lipo, prop, 6 spare wheels and a spare as new Orange 6 channel RX, has the AS3X rx fitted and working. Bargain ... Looking forward to getting it in air next week. Good to see you enjoy yours. Might give the poor old Conscendo a break as I fly so much, will do the flap mod latter on. Cheers, Stew.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You will LOVE it. Great plane for taking off and landing, OVER and OVER and OVER again!!! Very good flying plane BUT BE CAREFUL...make sure you don't turn on the POWER switch until she's on her landing gear. SAFE sets level at the position that you flip this switch, so if it's half way upside down, and then you accidentally turn on SAFE, like I did, you will probably end up on a roof across the street, feeling like an idiot - LOL :)

[@grezzmunke]

Good Evening! Thanks for your videos! Whats that low pitch frequency noise in the backround? @6:46 and @6:48 ish?? I have the same low freq noise on my new apprentice and I am hoping its the servos. Thanks!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

That's the sound of the servos finding their position. This is normal.

[@fejstfant2586]

Brian, great video, super explanation of all steps, simple tools, skillful craftsman = great success. Will copy your work with tremendous pleasure :) Keep on going and show us some more adaptations. Thanx!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Glad you enjoyed it! One this I would do differently, if I had it to do over...I would have use a slightly thicker wire from one side to the other. This has proven to be on of the only weaknesses in this design, even though it works okay, I think the flaps would be way more effective if they were held down better. Good luck with your mod :)

[@spikedart]

I have re-taped both the center top and the bottom of that wing. The guy I bought it from said he has seen a couple wings fold with guys from his club flying hard on this plane. (dive loops and what-not), in spite of the spar.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I have a hard time believing this, but if they say so... This plane is tough!

[@alexherrera3918]

This is a great video and tip. Do you know know to bind a Jumper T12 pro with receiver with AS3X stabilization techniology. I am was able only to have the basic channels working but the stabilization does not seems to work or the levels advice or basic for the control. Ady advice is appreciated. Thanks Alex

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

What Rx??? You'll need to know what channel is assigned for SAFE Select, if you have bound it with SAFE Select on. If you haven't, then the AS3X is always on. Think of the Jumper as any other DSMX transmitter...the Rx doesn't know any better expect for Telemetry. I need to know what Rx and where it came from to be helpful.

[@ncessnapilot]

Been flying my apprentice on floats for years now! It lasts long if you are responsible and mine is still in mint condition. Time for some upgrades as I am pretty comfortable with the plane.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

It is a great plane, and so fun to fly! Flaps are super easy, but just do a tape hinge, don't do Fowler flaps like I did, it was way overkill and didn't really help any, that I can tell...the additional drag from a tape hinge would be preferable on this floaty plane.

[@elconquistador932]

Big stupid new guy question, maybe I missed it but can I use the basic 7 ch transmitter that came with the RTF kit? (Spektrum DXS DSMX® 2.4GHz) Or do I need to upgrade transmitters for this flappy doo modification?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I don't know for sure, since I haven't had the RTF offering, but I assume you'll have at least one channel that's "Free" on your setup, but you'll need to look at the Receiver inside. If there's an opened spot, plug in a servo (yes, you can just pull the RUDDER for example and move it over) then start flipping switches and see if the servo moves ;)

[@elconquistador932]

@@BrianPhillipsRC Thanks for the reply. What you wrote makes sense to me. According to the RTF 1.5 description, this unit comes with the Spektrum 3230 Flight Controller, pictures show 8 slots (?). I won't hold my breath but I bet it should work, although I doubt I will have 2 positions for flaps due to the basic controller, no biggie. After we move back to land and onto the mainland I'm grabbing this plane, everyone tells me it's a great starter. I can't leave my toys and models be, so I'm sure I'll be doing mods to it as well. Thanks a ton Amigo. 👍🏼

[@fpvandgasrc4321]

Hey again. So i just tried to hook up the 2 servoa to the aux 2 port on the apprentice s 15e. I have a dx6e and i guess the aux2 port doesnt show up on my radio. I was told that the safe system uses one channel and the panic uses another with as3x. ? I can not get the servos to work as flaps. Do you know of anyway i can get this to work without buying a new radio.? I tried mixing and everything.. using the stock receiver and eveything is messed up. When i tried to set it up it will interfere with the flight modes. Panic and the 3 flight kides dont work. I could never get the servos to work with the dx6e. Can you please help... Thanks

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

6 channels means that you aren't getting to channel 7 or channel 8...so you might be unable to do what you want to do, without either another Rx OR a new Tx... This might help you understand better... (In no particular order) 1) Rudder 2) Elevator 3) Throttle 4) Aileron 5) Gear 6) Aux 1 7) Aux 2 8) Aux 3

[@fpvandgasrc4321]

@@BrianPhillipsRC can i put the same reciver thats in the timber 1.5m in the apprentice and set it up like the timber? How would that work with the apprentice i think its the ar636 or something

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You CAN use the Rx, IF it actually came out of a Timber, but if you buy it new, you'll have to program it. Here's why... Since the Timber 1.5m comes with flaps stock, they're programmed in on the Gear Channel (If I remember right...you CAN get the manual from horizonhobby.com to confirm this thought), rather than the higher channels, like you'll be with the stock apprentice. HOWEVER... You will NOT be able to tap into SAFE Select, since I believe you can only assign it to a higher channel, or you would have to tie it to another function already being used, like Gear (flaps)...which is a crappy solution, if you ask me. If you want to make the upgrade to an AS636, you should seriously consider getting a USED DX8 or DX9, since you're not that far off from the cost of a USED one, just in buying that receiver... Good luck with your decision, I know it sucks to have to put plane money toward a "utility item" like a transmitter, but you will NOT regret it. I LOVE my DX18, and would replace it tomorrow if it failed, might even get a DX20 next.\

[@javiererosero9409]

Brian, I have a question and I know you can help me, My Aprentice STS came with the receiver SPM4650C (same as the Carbon CUB) and the flight controller is SPMA 3230 (the one in the Carbon Cub is SPMA3230A), for the Carbon Cub was so easy to install the flaps, now I am doing for the Aprentice, but I am not able to find how to activate the channel 8 which is available in the flight controller at the Aprentice, I am using the NX10 Transmitter, could you please give me some directions, thanks.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Firstly, plug in a servo to that port, then go into MONITOR MODE, then move switched to identify what controls what HIGH channels. Then when you see it move, you can make a MIX, since you may not be able to use the WING TYPE to setup flaps, since the RX is designed to be setup without flaps. This is easy to make happen, but you have to do some of the flap stuff manually. It's not hard, but it's gonna take some fiddling. Try these things and see if you can get it attached to a switch, then use the SERVO SETUP MENU To change the SPEED if you want it to move slow like the FLAP MODE would do. Then you have to figure out how to mix in some elevator down, if you so desire.

[@genes6703]

Brian, good point on the safe. I have the mini apprentice and there is no on/off switch on that one. Plug in the battery and its automatically on. How do you avoid that problem. Though I don't think anything ever went horribly wrong, but I will be testing this out next time I use it. thanks

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I think they've improved the arming process in the newer AR636 to prevent arming so that you can flip the plane over after hooking in the lipo, but this was an earlier SAFE Rx, before that feature existed. It was a "rookie" mistake, but something that shouldn't even be able to happen, if you ask me :)

[@77bubba00]

Any idea how to set up a DX6 for this? I can't get the flaps to work at all. I had it working on my DX9. Wish I could remember the configuration.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I don't have a DX6, so not sure what to tell you on this one. Sorry!!! Can you just bind it as an "acro" and build it one feature at a time???

[@77bubba00]

Thanks. I'll give it a shot.

[@77bubba00]

BTW, I like your videos. Very informative. The Apprentice is a great aircraft. I bought mine when they first came out and am still flying it. Crashed more than a few times, but always managed to get it back in the air after some battle damage repair. :) It probably weighs a pound more due to glue and tape. A couple years ago I upgraded the motor and ESC. More than enough power! Just ordered a new fuselage and tail section. Hope to get several more years out of it. The stability makes for a great video platform. Also have skis and floats for it. All season flier! I've got video of some flights on my channel.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

This plane is just rock-solid. She's so fun to put up, and just fly and fly and fly! I'll check out your video :)

[@77bubba00]

I have video of it with the skis, too. Oh, and I just ordered a DX8 Gen2. I tried what you recommended but it just won't work. It seems that the Apprentice receiver uses the 6th channel for the panic mode. At least I'll have another spare transmitter lying around. :D

[@morrismercier9849]

The small hole on the short side is for the servo rod connection. Just a fyi for those that do not know.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

thanks for the info :)

[@marks7445]

Have you ever tried to setup flaperons just through the radio, keeping the aircraft original?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You can't do this. The servos are run through a "Y" Cable, so you have to make mods to the wiring, and also basically replace the stock Rx. You CAN do Flapperons, but I find outboard flapperons to be a waste of time...HOWEVER, Crow or inboard flaps and outboard spoilerons makes for a fun setup!!!

[@marks7445]

@@BrianPhillipsRC - On the STS it is separate servos and wiring. I was really wondering about putting a bit of spoiler into the ailerons.

[@fpvandgasrc4321]

Hey how would ypu recommend cutting the flaps fo this plane if im going to use the dubro nylon pinned hinges? The ones that slide into the foam in the middle of the flap. Should i cut straightm or a 30 or 45 degree angle?. Thanks

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You could cut them at either angle. Are you trying to make a fouler flap, or just a tight fold? I suggest you go for whatever yields the smallest gap, which would help you to "break" the plane more with full deployment. That's the only part I'd change about my design here, but they worked really well. Good luck, whatever angle cut you decide.

[@adventures3699]

Whats the best glue to use for the servos?? Im putting flaps on mine but not sure what glue to use for the servos!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You can use hot glue, but gotta be sparing - it's heavy. If not that, then CA would be okay, or Mucilage (foam tac / UMH Por are similar)

[@TWISTEDSTRINGS69]

Hey Brian, I`m very new to rc and bought the apprentice sts as my first plane but even though it handles very well for this newb it still comes in to hot for me to land in the given amount of runway I have. (about 500 feet lol, I could land my C150 in a shorter distance)..Instead of adding flaps what about flaperons and just mixing it into the plane ? I have the Spektrum ix12..

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You should slip in. Full rudder, and opposing Ailerons, and you'll slow her down, then snap out of it a few seconds before touchdown when you're in ground effect, and you can cut landings in half.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

When you get sick of this, cut in flaps, but just DO tape hinges...way better in this application.

[@spikedart]

I have always wondered about the sequence of events with SAFE. Now you have given us the rule.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

At least for this plane ;)

[@tonysopranzi3791]

Hi. Great series. I will eventually try this on my Apprentice. I would have removed small pieces of decal where the hot glue was used to fasten the'rods to the flaps. I thought it would be better to glue directly onto the foam than the decal which is sitting on top of the foam unless the hot glue melts the decal and the glue flows to the foam. Just a thought. Thanks

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

yeah, it's kind of a double edged sward...foam hold the heat, so you melt a lot worse if you go straight up against it, but you can and use a cooler setting too :)

[@SnoMoJoe1]

Although I haven't done this, I did leave that switch on for a few days and killed a battery.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

oooops!

[@genes6703]

Hi Brian, I'm curious about something. What kind of glue do you use for gap filling needs. I have zap med to thick CA but that doesn't fill gaps too good. I never tried micro balloons. Is that for gap filling and does it work well? Guess I just want to know what products you like for gap filling. thanks

[@TWSreviews]

Great video.....love your content. I bet your neighbours love you.........lol In the UK our streets are way way smaller. Besides there would be a linch mob of 'do gooders' want me arrested for flying within 150m of buildings and people. I've Subscribed.....thanks

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I'm glad to have you in our audience! We're super fortunate to have such cool neighbors where we live, but I know that's not always the case. I've heard lots from these "do gooders"...I get to argue with them, since they know what's best for everyone, about one to two times a week I'd estimate. I love this hobby, and if you really knew me, I'm actually kinda on the "worry wart" side of things, so it gets old to get lectured by these people who will literally never do anything in their lives...and yet, they will still die - strange, right?!?! Thanks for the comment, and for watching!

[@TWSreviews]

I found you reviewing the DH100 Vampire.....So impressed I ordered one.....Just posted my review video and will be doing some modifications as our flying site is killing the undercarriage. Have a look as I do things a little different.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

will do.

[@kirbymills5973]

Would flaperons work?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Outboard flapperons are not great, but they DO make an impact. I'd HIGHLY recommend doing inboard flaps, rather than flapperons. Flapperons not only cancel out the AS3X and/or SAFE on the "other" aileron (the one you have to disconnect and plug into Aux1 or 2...whatever the spare channel is) but they also will cause the plane to fly "hokey". NOW, if you were to day CROW (Spoilerons + Flaps) this would be really cool! If you can tolerate the work, do the flaps. The mod is about as easy as it can be, and you will thank me.

[@kirbymills5973]

@@BrianPhillipsRC thank you,

[@burgerzz09s51]

Can you do this without a controller like that

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

you mean with the RTF transmitter...not sure? You can do it without a DX18, you just need one additional channel, but a computerized transmitter is helpful for delaying the flap deployment and elevator mix to flaps...beyond that, you can probably do it on the stock transmitter if there's a switch to control the additional channel on the receiver. Just plug in a servo, and test it with your switches.

[@allenmoore9848]

Hi Brian, thanks for hi-lighting a dangerous combination for "safe" equipped aircraft. Really sorry to see a busted airframe When you first mentioned a mistake, I had visions of car v's plane

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

It happens :) (left out some select letters, as you can see) SAFE is a great learning aid, and I didn't even need it when I flipped it on, but I knew exactly what was happening, but didn't have time to respond in the fastest method (IE turning it off)...maybe I'll move my control on the apprentice to my GEAR switch, since I have no intentions of utilizing that switch, but it's easier to get to that switch in a hurry.

[@keithshillbillyrcn849]

Awesome mod cant wait to see it fly. This crash you had no video of it ?Thanks

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Yeah. I know it's hard to believe, but I fly about 5-6 times more often then I fly AND film :)

[@isaaclyonsf1]

That's a nice plane!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks Isaac

[@offroad5594]

Does Walmart sell these toys also?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I'm sorry, but not that I know of. Wal-Mart.com sells all sorts of stuff that Wal-Mart doesn't sell, but here's how you can get one... Aircraft... Apprentice S 15e (RTF) - amzn.to/2JFWLJH AT-6 1.5m - amzn.to/2KUVuzE Cirrus SR22T 1.5m - amzn.to/2CNcu9C Cirrus SR22T UMX - amzn.to/2TLRmp1 Timber 1.5m - amzn.to/2Dzzw5J Timber UMX - amzn.to/2CDJimo Aero Commander UMX - amzn.to/2D0YqHp Cessna 182 UMX - amzn.to/2COkMhG P-51D June Nite BNF- amzn.to/2IVPC8w P-51D BL UMX BNF - amzn.to/2AAE9p5 P-47D Razorback 1.2m - amzn.to/2CBkNBY P-47D BL UMX - amzn.to/2CCsNmr F4U-4 Corsair 1.2m - amzn.to/2CN2aPG J-3 Cub UMX - amzn.to/2ABBnzS F4U-4 Corsair 1.2m - amzn.to/2CN2aPG T-28B Trojan 1.2m - amzn.to/2D15qUr Spitfire 1.2m - amzn.to/2H7wW89 Super Cub BNF 1.1m - amzn.to/2CQ4c1K Super Cub RTF 1.1m - amzn.to/2F9nzjQ Sport Cub 1.1m - amzn.to/2qCfgcU Sport Cub S UMX RTF - amzn.to/2CA3npq Delta Ray BNF - amzn.to/2CMnBja Delta Ray RTF - amzn.to/2F6ZvxN Pulse 15e PNF - amzn.to/2D3iXem Duet RTF - amzn.to/2m3oYiY Inum RTF - amzn.to/2CMu11z Inum Eliet RTF - amzn.to/2F6aUxU Inductrix BNF - amzn.to/2CDQISg Inductrix RTF - amzn.to/2F7152H Conscendo Advanced BNF - amzn.to/2OsHSgp Viper 1.1m PNF - amzn.to/2Cm5CPUEZIO 1500 EP Glider - amzn.to/2CMR901 Rare Bear PNF - ban.ggood.vip/8vu ASW28 Volantex 2.54m - amzn.to/2ABU3zI Phoenix Evolution 1.6m/2.6m - amzn.to/2FGsR6e Phoenix V2 2m - ban.ggood.vip/5a5y Sunbird 1.6m Glider KIT - amzn.to/2CJy6DX Hawkeye Hand Launch Glider - amzn.to/2CNKp1O Bird of Time (Kit) - amzn.to/2LN2EFD Bird of Time (ARF) - amzn.to/2t2HmvT ...just to show a few examples ;)

[@fpvandgasrc4321]

What gram servo do you recommend for doing the flaps mod on the apprentice? I want to use the 2 servo method. Should i use two 9g or two 12g servos?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

If you're going with two, I'd start with 9 gram, and upgrade if you have a failure...which I doubt you will. Make sure that the servo is pointed in line with the flaps when they're in the "regular" (NOT deployed) position. This will help to allow the servo pocket to hold the flaps tightly closed, then when you need to deploy the flaps, you can have the motor "working"... Do you get me? ...but yeah, 9 gram would be fine. I think I used a 9 gram for BOTH...

[@fpvandgasrc4321]

@@BrianPhillipsRC thank you for the response. Yes i get you.. i watched this video a bunch of times and also your other flap mod videos. You have helped me tremendously in this hobby. One other thing.. do i have to use a servo reverser y cable for one of the servos? Thanks again.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

If I use TWO servos, I would actually just reverse the servo...which is easier said than done... You can also just place them in such a way that they operate in the same direction. This is a LOT easier. Sure you can use a servo signal reverser, but then it's just one more thing to fail, and one more thing to buy too! Good luck!

[@fpvandgasrc4321]

@@BrianPhillipsRC how would u reverse the servo.. on the transmitter?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You can go into servo setup, or if you have a super simple transmitter, you may just have a dip switch to flip. BUT if you're using TWO servos, and you want them to "look symetrical", and this means one will run backwards while the other runs the correct direction, you'd have to use TWO separate channels...one to control the LEFT FLAP and the other to control the RIGHT FLAP....but I almost never do this, except when I'm using a super complex sailplane setup...

[@FINNIUSORION]

I have the apprentice sts, pretty sure they fixed this glitch in the safe start up sequence. I've tried to get mine to do this and no luck.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks for the info! Glad to hear, since I ended up upside-down on my neighbors roof ;) It was a disastrous crash, and totally MY STUPID FAULT ;) We stood in the yard and caught up for an hour while I picked up the pieced - LOL...good neighbors make life so much easier!!!

[@alanwylie8960]

Brian Phillips, job well done. I added flaps the same way you did to a Dynam C-47, except I used the 3M Blenderm tape, I didn't think about using the Dynam hinges like what my Dynam Grand Cruiser had for the flaps, that also looks like the same hinges you're using. I used two 9 gram Freewing digital servos, one reverse and one standard on a y connecter. I'm also using the HobbyEagle A3 AP gyro stabilizer and Spektrum AR8000 RX with my DX7 Gen2 TX for the C-47, it made a heck of a difference in landings.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I bet. I'd really like to get my hands on one of those C-47's...but they seem to be out everywhere. Where'd you pick yours up? Was it PNF or ARF???

[@alanwylie8960]

@@BrianPhillipsRC, I bought mine from General Hobby about four years ago as a RTF. I think MotionRC has them in stock and you'd also get free shipping, whereas, General Hobby doesn't offer free shipping over a certain amount. The C-47 is a great flying plane, but the first upgrades I done was with the motors, esc's, and I added a separate ubec, the Dynam motor shafts will bend easily just from the blades striking a clump of grass or anything. A excellent replacement brushless motors for the Dynam C-47 and Dynam Grand Cruiser are the Turnigy 2836-1100KV motors from Hobbyking, I also used the Hobbywing Skywalker 30A esc's, ZTW 10A UBEC, MAS 8×6×3 counter rotating props, and HobbyEagle A3 6-axis gyro stabilizer, with Spektrum RX and TX. As of lately, I've been buying and using more and more Lemon receivers from BuddyRC and the Admiral receivers that are made by Lemon from MotionRC. Horizon Hobby and Spektrum is out pricing their selves and the quality and selection in Spektrum products in my opinion are going downhill.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Totally agree about Lemon-Rx...great product for a fair price! I'll check at MotionRC

[@josipvrandecic2472]

Hello Brian , you did a great job and now ,for my love, instal plastic 6mm bolts for the main wing ,instead of the rubber ribbon.....no ofence on me ...because I like you and Iowa too.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I'll think about doing this. The rubber bands are pretty ugly...

[@gregkienle3378]

Brian, dude, we don't want to get all techied out...we just want to fly.

[@arielmorales4654]

Hi, great video, thanks for all the effort you put into all your videos, I was wondering how to set up flaps using a DX6? Thanks.

[@arielmorales4654]

Never mind I just saw that some one asked the same question.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

No problemo - if you're using a NEW receiver, we have NEW videos about this too, FYI - Dynam Sonic (plane sucked, but we show how to do it on an AR631) and we also setup Flapperons on the OMP Challenger too... BUT, if you want to do it STOCK on this plane, as an upgrade, I'd just do FLAPS. They're WAY better for the aerodynamic capabilities of this plane, and it's WAY easier to do it too ;) A few buck more (maybe $20-30) for servos and wires, but WELL worth it in the end!

[@greglewis20]

Don’t like the battery access from the bottom

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Yep, super annoying...but otherwise awesome plane!

[@mastersteel1079]

MASTER arrived😁😁😁😁

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Welcome Master Steel!!! no beer today?

[@mastersteel1079]

Brian Phillips yes forever beer🍺🍺🍺🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻Good morning😁😁😁😁😁

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Wow - lots of DOUBLE beers! I think this must be an extra special day Master Steel!

[@mastersteel1079]

Great video brian verry perfect😁😁😁😁

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@fazzyman136]

R.I.P apprentice,may you rest in peace

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

My apprentice is flying still. I crashed and fixed it the same night (like ususal - LOL)

[@rickdurrett5015]

Brian: What Port and Channel settings did you ultimately use? Also, what elevator mix did you use with the flaps? Great video and thanks.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I can't recall. I'm pretty sure I show how I did all of it on this video, about 9:30 or so....

[@김람보]

very good~👍👍👍

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Thanks!!! IT worked well too, except that it would have been just fine to tape hinge the flaps ;) Might have actually been better - LOL!

[@ecwhite3621]

Mucilage ? Where did you hear that word? I’m 3 times your age and that term was fading away when I was in kindergarten. Btw the hinges arrived today from MotionRC. Really quick delivery. Good looking hinges 👍👍

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Mucilage is the name of the glue from Hobbyking, and it's awesome :) hobbyking.com/en_us/clear-foam-glue-medium-cure-large-100ml.html ...this stuff is great on foam.

[@WestCoastCrazed]

Would be great if HH just put flaps on it to begin with. I know some will say yes it just makes it more complicated for beginner pilots etc... but its not like they would have to use it right away. Something they can gradually progress to use. I like the apprentice but its actually one of the reasons I've always hesitated on getting one. A plane that size I want flaps.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I agree, but this plane is soooo good ;) You'll love it, even if you have other planes. This plane is such a blast to fly! The flaps are SUPER easy, and you shouldn't do the Fowler flaps like I did, just make a TAPE hinge, and it'll work even better!!! (Plus a lot easier)

[@WestCoastCrazed]

@@BrianPhillipsRC for 10 dollars more than the apprentice I could get the 1800mm ranger its a little larger plane that already has flaps. All I would need is a receiver with AS3X. www.horizonhobby.com/product/ranger-1800mm-pnp/FMM124P.html

[@randylinn502]

Brian, Did you see RamyRC latest video, 737 oops.....?

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

yeah, and it was awesome. Talk about a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW pass :) LOL! I want to buy one, but don't want to build it ;)

[@randylinn502]

I love how he builds them from scratch.. he's talented....

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I know, and he makes it look so easy!

[@av8tore71]

I'm new at this hobby and my first plane was the Apprentice Mini and my weekend job I'm an A&P IA mechanic so I work on real planes for people who owns their own plane and I have to say.....these are not flaps.....these are BARN DOORS LOL

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Very nice. Where are you stationed? I also have a full scale plane, and need a mechanic to give me the rubber stamp :)

[@av8tore71]

@@BrianPhillipsRC I am at 1C8 in Rockford, IL

[@randylinn502]

Retracts, antennas and LED's.... Waiting for those videos...

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Flaps, done... LED's, coming soon... Retracts, probably not gonna do retracts on this one, but if you want to do it I'll check it out :)

[@lindenstewart4404]

Hello Horizon Hobby, this is Linden from Georgrtown Guyana in south America, we are the only english speaking country in South America, can you do a video to show the transmitter settings for the carbon z 150 cessna,

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

This is Brian Phillips. I'm sorry, but I can't do the video you requested because I don't yet have a Carbon Z 150 Cessna (yet) ;)

[@MrRichinil]

ok vid . the cam moving around so much made me sea sick .

[@Airbus-un6gp]

MrRichinil rud

[@georgesheptak5657]

Holly crap and this is a beginners plane, Brian, you lost me 5 minutes ago.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

I'm not sure where I lost you, but if you have a question, you can ask it.

[@TheStickyBusiness]

Flap and LED's little Grasshopper here. You do this so much that you should consider making your self a set of wooden flap angle cutters Roulers, so you can cut more easily with a flap exactoknife blade or maybe something like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2Wci4uwmsR9hdE or even better a one pass to cuts like this one, but DIY kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZOtl4uBfp5spbM you could probably make one that gets hot powered by a lipo battery

[@TheStickyBusiness]

hackaday.com/2015/03/05/cheap-dirty-and-perfect-v-groove-foam-cutter/

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

that is nice!

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

The second one... I think I saw that on The Silence of the Lambs???? LOL

[@TheStickyBusiness]

LOL well you can also use it to harvest organic film covering for your balsa airplane then ;)

[@MsKeileigh]

Stupidity in my opinion you just took a $300 trainer and turned it into something a newbie would not be able to fly anyways and they wouldn't have an 18 channel transmitter

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Yep, you're right. I have no idea what I'm doing here.... I certainly haven't answered literally THOUSANDS of questions about adding flaps to any planes, and certainly nobody could ever figure out how to make this work with less than an 18 channel transmitter - that would be IMPOSSIBLE.

[@brandongibson5556]

It really amazes me that people can’t help themselves from makes stupid comments like that. If that’s how you think, keep it to yourself and don’t watch the content. Brian, I’m new to the hobby and love your videos. I rarely read the comments of your or anyone’s videos but, I can only imagine the ignorance that people have to put on display. Don’t listen to that crap and keep the great content coming!!!

[@MsKeileigh]

@@brandongibson5556 ok karen

[@Alex_Master_Mariner]

Ohhhh.... come on.... flaps for a 100 gramm trainer ... its enough 1,5 mtr to take off and 2 mtrs to land..... yes.... you want to feel like you are piloting giant rc B-25 bomber.....

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

No, this plane floats FOR-EVER on approach...thus the flaps allow for steeper landing approaches, and shorter takeoffs. The flaps also add an element of fun, in that the already WIDE flight envelope, is increased even more! I also get board flying a plan with just 4-5 channels...and I LOVE takeoffs and landings. If you weren't already aware - Flaps and LED mods are kinda one of "my things".

[@Alex_Master_Mariner]

Brian Phillips ;))) it was a joke!!! All good;) keep five!!!

[@Thoughtomobile]

@ BrianPhillipsRC! Of the dozens of your videos I have watched, this is the most boring one. It is like nothing is happening. Watching a blank screen with some maddening movements! Why don't you resolve the problems first and go straight to "how to set up the flap."

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Dozens? Get back to me when you've watched some more of the THOUSANDS of videos.

[@Thoughtomobile]

@@BrianPhillipsRC Yeah! As a newcomer to the scene, I have had the time to watch only a couple of dozen of your videos. As for the THOUSANDS? I will watch them as and when necessary. :-)

[@ronowens1524]

Figure out the correct assignments and THEN record the results in the video. Geez.

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

You're the third troll in a row!

[@hartwoodhollowfarm9527]

Quit 1 min in...it was obvious you were going to ramble on and on....

[@BrianPhillipsRC]

Yes, I was going to do exactly that.... Thanks for sharing that you left after only 1 minute. I don't know what I would have done without this amazing status update. Most people just leave. You have to announce it to the world. What a prick

[@hartwoodhollowfarm9527]

Brian Phillips to be fair I went back and watched the first 7 min of your video. You went on about the crash and your failure to read the manual or watch a video that specifically tells you about that switch, for 6 min 49 seconds before you actually got to the subject of flaps( the reason for the video). That IS rambling on. If I want a lesson on the SAFE system of this plane , horizon has a good one, flite test has an awesome one...Both videos get right to the point of the video. Editing....