E-GMP Charging Speeds Are Not So Magical At The Tesla Magic Dock!

[@dconner9]

The EV6 pulled only 97kW at the Magic Dock. For some reason, the segment that showed this didn’t make it into the video… Apologies!

[@tjackele]

I knew you would not have forgotten that! Keep on truckin’!

[@jamesrea329]

I saw another video that said his EV6 held 97kW all the way to 80%. At that rate it would take 32 minutes from 10-80%, which might be faster than waiting in line at EA. It’s not 18 minutes, but still faster than quite a few 400v cars with poor charging curves. How did the curve hold up for you?

[@dconner9]

@@jamesrea329same as that!!!97kW until I left at about 70 or so %

[@jamesrea329]

@@dconner9 I think the news is pretty positive for EGMP owners. Because of the very flat charging curve, recharge times are still going to be pretty good on v3 Superchargers. Sure, a working 350kW EA station would be preferred, but 97kW deep into the charge is still going to be better than many other EVs. Then hopefully "someday" real v4 Superchargers will appear and the charging story will be even better. BTW, I don't currently own an EV myself - I'm still driving a 2006 Prius, which I believe you once drove yourself. Unlike you, I kept the Prius for 17 years. 🤣 I'm currently waiting for city approval to install an L2 charger in my garage (there is a 4 month wait for the permit!!!). Once that is taken care of, I'm probably going to pick up a GV60. The first video of yours that I ever watched was you bringing home Kathy's GV60, and you did a great sales job on that car. I'm also attracted to the other EGMP cars but I keep coming back to the GV60. Who can resist a crystal ball? 🤷‍♂ I'm looking forward to not only driving an EV but being part of the EV community. I started my career in the microcomputer industry in the 1970s which was a very exciting time - the EV scene today has a similar excitement I think.

[@tjackele]

@@jamesrea329 congrats on keeping the Prius 17 years. Bet our pal Dave had 17 cars in that time. Lol

[@buddyotter]

Tesla just needs to repaint the lines so that all the cars park directly in front of the stalls. This will alleviate most of the parking/charging issues. The other modification that would help is about 3 ft longer charging cable.

[@scottbreseke716]

The new NACS adaptors should have an 3 foot extender cable attached to them to make things reach.

[@ItsBinhRepaired]

That's right! Make the non tesla owners pay for that extra $100 of copper. Keep in mind, tesla charging cables have coolant running through them, so the extension will need to be much thicker copper.

[@gchetail]

YeahI concur about e-GMP - I pulled 179kw at a EA 150kW.

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste.. 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@jsmigs9743]

I was at the Brewster location yesterday, there was a Rivian R1T in the pull-through (end) spot and a Chevy Bolt on 1C. First time at a Magic Dock location, great to see a variety of EVs there!

[@trippplefive]

did you see any non-tesla ev on tesla ev violence by any chance?

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

Those EV6 Hips don’t lie 🥰

[@dannyDrives_Renewable_Electric]

Well, the Magic Dock provided: 1) the adapter for you to plug in a CCS car; and, 2) DC charging to a non-Tesla. I think that's all Tesla promised - and pretty amazing when you consider that the Supercharger was designed hand-in-hand with the Tesla cars themselves without consideration for other architectures. When Kia provides you their NACS adapter, we'll probably see different behavior. Thank you for taking the time to do all this!

[@Paul-cj1wb]

One of the problems is that Tesla is only allowing 350 amps on their 400v V3s for none Teslas, as opposed to 500 for Teslas. The second problem is that the voltage converters on the E-GMP don't covert down to 400 volts very well. Due to those 2 factors, they are currently limited to 97kws. On the Tesla side, they might limiting the amps for none Teslas so that they can add a cable alongside an adapter when they open up their network to solve the current short cable issue for none Teslas. That's because for higher amps above 350 their thin cables cannot be any longer than they currently are without overheating and possibly damaging the cables. Amperage is what causes the high heats that limits the cable length, and is why transmission lines up the voltage to many hundreds of thousands of volts to go those long distances. The higher the voltage, the lower the amps.

[@mp3mike237]

No, the Audio is not blocking two stalls. It is using one stall, and blocking one stall.

[@1JohnnyCruiser]

Thanks for going out of your way to entertain us Dave!

[@bobbyaaron8013]

I can already see the physical altercations starting!

[@jimgallagher833]

Nice video. That EV6 is sharp too. I live 35 minutes north of the Brewster Tesla location (have not charged there yet) and I also have one 22 minutes north of me in Red Hook, NY. I have a Ford F150 Lightning and have to pull in at a slight angle to charge. Luckily, in the two times I charged there, only one other vehicle was charging. I also charged at a Tesla supercharger in Saratoga and got up to 122kw and pulled in to the last spot parallel to the charger. With the blank screen issue, I've come across that with Electrify America a few times...blanks screens but it charged my truck.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Dave said electric generation is 13 cents on level 2 at home in CT. We have same rate in neighboring MA, but there’s an additional 13 c for distribution & maintenance so total is 25 cents/kWh

[@grulo1036]

That's what I pulled on my Ioniq 6 Marion IL location.

[@Tha1NOnly1]

Perhaps and this is just a thought since new vehicles in a couple of years are supposed to come with the nacs plug perhaps they would have thought of this and put it in the correct position to avoid this problem. What do you think?

[@PraiseYAyoupeople]

biggest downside to magic dock is that Tesla is charging $0.52 per kwh. that's pretty steep. some supercharges in NJ only charge $0.24 per kwh for tesla cars at night

[@YeOldeTraveller]

I think Tesla will be the backup for eGMP cars, but that is s quite acceptable backup.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

The Cyber truck with its split pack using contractors to charge series/parallel can use the full capability of a 400V/800V charger. EV6 with its 400V to 800V boost converter method is the liming factor with is < 95% efficiency, you pay for that >5% loss.

[@ZipZoomZip]

Why would Kia put the charging port on the passenger side? Hopefully they put their thinking caps on and move it to the more convenient driver's side for NACS.

[@777Outrigger]

I hope that in 2025 when everyone starts putting the NACS charging port on their cars they'll also put the port on the back on the drivers side, like Tesla. Volvo'Polestar already have their charging ports there.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

@angryGTSwhy would you want to pull into a charger front first? If you back into charge, you can leave with plenty of views for traffic. I had a Leaf and I have Teslas now. So much safer to leave going forward instead of backing out.

[@Mike.T.]

The front is much better in my opinion. When my wife and I are somewhere in our Bolt we can pull in to charge then, since she needs help walking long distances, I can get her scooter out of the back. It's much more convenient.

[@777Outrigger]

Backing in is so easy in a Tesla with the rear camera and now the 360 assist that was in the new OTA upgrade. I really don't care, front in or back in. But the point is getting your EV lined up on correct side of the Supercharger, if you can.

[@777Outrigger]

@angryGTS I'm sorry you feel that way. I think it's a great addition for situational awareness when you back up or are in tight spaces. My back ins are easy and perfect because of it.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Hi Dave did I miss what your EV6 could draw from the MagicDock? Did you make it to 105KW or higher?

[@anthonyc8499]

25 minutes video about Magic Dock and Dave never mentioned how fast he was charging. Weird.

[@outofspecdave1554]

Apologies! That piece of footage somehow got edited out My fault I only pulled 97kW

[@outofspecdave1554]

97kW Apologies that my edit somehow cut that fact out !

[@derekheisler2058]

Did you precondition the battery before charging?

[@dscarty]

What will gasoline cost when it isn’t subsidized?

[@Dwilsonmusic145]

That Audi would work best pulling into the pull through Tesla charger on the left backing in and charging even if the car would jut out forward a bit it wouldn’t matter and wouldn’t block another potential spot

[@allanmorgan4976]

Thanks Dave really appreciate the topic….Version 3 chargers in Australia only deliver 42KLW in my GV60 pretty disappointing, but on the 125 KLW chargers it receives nearly full power, I’m sure its a software issue, but not sure who’s at fault, I’ve reached out to Genesis a month ago with no response as yet, I remember Kyle saying in one of his videos, you buy the car you buy the plug, how true is that.

[@rwjr1944]

The conversion is just beginning. Of course, there are going to be initial problems. Please report these incidents to all concerned parties.

[@blairjayson]

What charging speeds do Tesla's chargers provide to CCS cars? And how much do they charge per kWhr??

[@Jeddin]

150 kw on version 2 and 250 kw on version 3. Price is time of use and location based and varies from around 25-45 cents per kWh.

[@lyskamm88]

In Europe, where a lot of Superchargers are open to all EVs (no magic dock needed since all cars use CCS2), the price for non Tesla cars is higher (about 0.15-0.20 more) but still competitive. To get the same price as Tesla owners you can subscribe for €12.99 a month

[@tazeat]

As much as opening up superchargers is going to be good for the industry, these things are clearly not ready to open up. Especially with so many of closer to town superchargers constantly full during the peak hours lately, this is going to be a real pain in the ass.

[@brandenflasch]

I’d keep the Volt - ELR isn’t worth 3x the price IMO

[@dennislyon5412]

So . . . what did Tesla charge for a CCS car to use a magic dock SC on a Sunday? Hopefully the same as a Tesla, but you never know. Adapters coming with extension cords, which will make the magic dock obsolete?

[@explor360]

My understanding (and it’s just what I’ve heard) is that the non Tesla cars will be charged at a slightly higher rate. I’ve also heard that not all the chargers at any given location will be compatible with non Tesla vehicles but time will tell.

[@Charlesbjtown]

Dave doesn't understand the way our lane system works. He's what i call a "middle laner".

[@Testarossa2013]

I wonder if it was you I saw driving northbound on 95 in Darien in a red EV6.... Hmm

[@CraigMatsuura]

At the AppleGreen did you do route preconditioning? Or are they too new to show up in the nav of the ev6?

[@tjackele]

How fast did you charge in the Tesla spot? I did not hear that in the video? Did I just miss it?

[@dconner9]

97kW

[@jjamespacbell]

If the car is showing higher charge than the charger max rate, I would suspect that the software is giving erroneous results.

[@superman60201]

Standardize the location of ports across all US EVs please.

[@trinitonv8]

If non teslas park on the spot next to eachother it works.

[@radioboss5911]

It appears that it the lies being repainted would correct your Kia issue,, I have a worse problem with the lyriq ,, no way to reach without going broadside

[@ArnoldWinters]

So Dave how many Kw did you pull at the magic dock with the Kia?

[@outofspecdave1554]

97 kW Apologies the segment that covered this somehow got cut out I adjusted the title and the description of the video Thx for watching!

[@anthonyc8499]

Dave, how fast were you charging on Magic Dock?

[@outofspecdave1554]

Only pulled 97kW

[@anthonyc8499]

@@outofspecdave1554 that’s far better than the 42kw or zero that E-GMP cars were initially getting! 97kW on a 77kWh pack is livable.

[@sperlaky2116]

Because SuperChargers are only 400V.

[@richardrhodes-gc2ko]

But,Would They?

[@TKevinBlanc]

This isn't going to be fun, is it. I guess a Tesla owner doesn't have to stress if they use a non-magic-dock location.

[@John-209]

Getting passed by a big rig kinda sucks

[@slowercuber7767]

The Hyundai/Kia offerings are looking really sweet. Still, I lean toward a Tesla model Y over the Hyundai for a few reasons: 1 - Better software support model, and generally better software. 2 - Mechanically simpler vehicle, especially regarding controls and indicators in the cabin, which will have fewer things that can go wrong. (Of course, this means I don't get all the knobs and buttons I'd prefer, but I find the Tesla "iPad on wheels" approach more and more appealing as I get used to it) 3 - American made. (That will change as Hyundai moves production to North American plants, I'm sure) 4 - Seemingly better passenger safety. 5 - Higher efficiency 6 - Tesla is at the forefront of global change to an electrified, more automated and egalitarian world. I would find it incongruous to not support them. 7 - Some level of features like ADAS, OTA updates, Navigation, etc included in all vehicles, not upscale versions. 8 - Upgrade path: Some otherwise compelling but too expensive features can be enabled by purchase of a simple software update. 9 - Possibility of near level 3 self-driving availability in the near future. 10 - Most shockingly: Price! the price of the MYLR compares very favorably to the dressed up Hyundai EV9, even before the Tax incentive. On Hyundai's side, I like Hyundai's: 1 - Styling. Totally a subjective thing. In my dotage such things carry less weight than when I was younger. So I didn't even spring for color option when I bought my MY. 2 - (Much) faster charging than my 2023 Model Y LR. I recently spent 14 minutes charging at a local supercharger from 45% to 75%. Seems like the new EV 9 would have done that in closer to 4 minutes? Nice. However, I don't supercharge often and when I do, I'd usually not regret that extra 10 or 20 minute driving break at the charger). I'll be taking a 4000+ mile (round trip) drive out to California soon, and it would make a material difference to have the faster charging on that trip, but that will only be once or twice every year or three, most of the time I'm charging at home. Maybe someone who depends more on fast public charging would prefer the Hyundai, assuming they had access to said charging on the roads they drove. 3 - Who doesn't like the South Koreans? 4 - More room for passengers (in the EV9) 5 - More powerful/effective climate blow for rear passengers. (reportedly) 6 - Much better parking assist than Tesla's (yes, even the new one). 7 - More buttons, knobs, stalks, etc. 8 - I'm sure there are many more, but my cat wants my lap.

[@selbyjohnson5986]

You can get that car for 38k used now. It’s pretty crazy that people were paying 5k over msrp not too long ago.

[@tonyn3227]

People are either stupid, or have money to burn 🔥

[@floridasaltlife]

Starboard side, Dave might just be a boater !!

[@1JohnnyCruiser]

Port side is better like Tesla. Kinda dumb to have the driver opposite the charge plug side

[@scottbreseke716]

@@1JohnnyCruiser The car manufacturers could provide 3 foot extender cables, or install the NACS connector on left side of car, and CCS connector on the right side.

[@tonymcflattie2450]

10/10 would plug that. Btw, that is a nice rental

[@williamwu1985]

You are correct, EV6 and Ioniq 5 RWD will only charge around 80kw around 50F, once you gets to 35F, you are down to 60kw. Not even close to advertised 230kw. Also RWD has not battery heater, can not on route precondition

[@tonyn3227]

All mfg. Are fukin liers , anything just so they sell you a car.

[@tonyn3227]

What's the point of sales pitch car has 800 volt architecture when it still changes slow like cheve bolt, its all bull shit and lies.

[@kng128]

The car is charging slower than on CCS because the Tesla charger is outputting only 400V. The EV6's onboard DC-DC converter is limited to 100kW. On a 350kW CCS charger the EV6 would charge 210-220kW peak.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

The Tesla cables are the perfect length, the Q4 and EV6 are the problem with there poorly located charge ports.

[@tonyn3227]

I wouldn't buy any ev unless it was tesla, onve they all have nacs built in i may consider something else. No adapters for me,