e*thirteen TRS+ 12 Speed Cassette Review (Useless or Useful?)

[@WorldwideCyclery]

What do you think of the e*thirteen TRS+ 12 Speed Cassette? Would you throw it on your bike? Let us know!

[@44stevenson]

it DOES NOT fit all hubs, including my I9 torch hub. e13 claims that I9 made a bunch of out of spec hubs, just call them and ask.

[@ronalcasid3844]

Will you be selling a GX bundle with this cassette?

[@tmayberry7559]

Yes I would throw it on my bike instead of an eagle or GX or NX just based on the price I would rather wear at something that cost 250 dollars than wear out something that cost over four hundred

[@EstebanRapido]

@@44stevenson they make different tolerances for that part. I don't know why sram doesn't have this problem but e13 does. I have a long comment further down about my experience.

[@WolfnSheepsClothing1]

I just finally got mine working to the point where I could actually ride it for real. I replaced a GX Eagle cassette with the eThirteen TRS+ 12 speed cassette, X.0 Eagle shifter & derailleur, and whatever SRAM 12 Speed chain came on my 2018 Canyon Strive CF 8.0. With the SRAM chain I would not ride with this cassette beyond testing it out on the street in my neighborhood. In the higher gears it skipped harshly under load. Crank on the pedals and the teeth on the larger cog would catch the chain, lift it, and drop it back onto the smaller cog you were indexed to, no matter how much adjustment you made to cable tension...the B screw was also set to the SRAM specs with their guide. Watching some you tube videos showing the same thing in the 11 speed version were solved with a 12 speed chain that was narrower. Turned out, eThriteen recommends a YBN chain...a ha! YBN chains are narrower than their competitors in both 11 and 12 speed, and have used/compared them before. Seems eThriteen, with their recommendation, knows about this. Problem solved and it works perfectly. The narrower YBN chain also about 95% solves the problem of the chain dropping off the large cog when backpedaling, which wouldn’t have been a deal breaker as it took about a revolution to a revolution and a half to drop it, which you would never do when actually riding. Now it usually doesn’t drop at all and on the occasion it dos it takes a lot to drop it. Bottom line, you may not have luck with this cassette without switching to the YBN chain eThriteen recommends. It’s possible a higher level SRAM chain would work, but I didn’t try.

[@AF-O6]

I love this channel because it gives relevant, succinct, usable information with only enough joviality to keep it interesting.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@nicktapias3425]

I’ve been running the 11sp version of this for about 2 years now, I removed it from my mountain bike and it’s on my gravel grinder now. Biggest drawback is that the aluminum cogs wear out quickly (within about 1000 miles). Luckily when that happens you can replace just that portion for much cheaper than a whole new cassette. Big plus over getting an entire new cassette!

[@HPAa3]

I bought the TRS 12 speed upgrade kit from yous guys for my XX1 11 speed 3 months ago. Awesome and no issues. You guys rock, and you’re in my area so thats a plus.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

You're the man Mike thanks!

[@dominichirst4518]

I run a 1x11 Shimano XT drive train but with a SRAM GX chain and Sunrace cassette. Works flawlessly and saved some pennies. 👍🏻

[@DadDoingStuff]

I've ditched my GX 12-speed (except for the crank) in favor of the 11-spd TRS+ cassette and XT shifter/derailleur. Lighter (100grams combined for the swap), shifts better, better range, and XT is ridiculously cost-effective shifter and derailleur.

[@jtudawest]

what chain did you use?

[@morethanbikes]

This is why we love YT! They're getting creative with drivetrains using e13 :)

[@175thStreet]

Good stuff! I use their 11spd version of that cassette on my Sram X01 11spd drivetrain and it's phenomenal. I'm sure this is the same.

[@jamiemtb]

I'm used to sram eagle xo1 but building a new frame up so good vid on the trs+.

[@zhenderson90]

I haven't been terribly impressed with my GX cassette (heavy, seemed to wear quickly), but the X01 and XX1 cassettes are ludicrously expensive. I've heard they last ages, but I'm going to try the TRS+ next time around. Only downside is that there are 2 large aluminum cogs to wear out on the E13 vs. just the granny on the SRAM - hopefully that doesn't mean shorter overall cassette life.

[@dankraft]

It's a 2 piece cassette on eThirteen. So if the aluminum cogs wear out (and they will), you can just replace those. You don't have to buy a whole new cassette.

[@bicignacio5788]

The e13s have the alloy cluster 39/46t and steel cluster 9-33t available separately. Been using it on my gravel grinder. One more thing i did was i used a 11 speed sram rd which has a max capacity of 49t so works well with 46t without maxing out. Thats to give better ground clearance for the rd for a 76mm bbdrop bike fitted with 700c tires.

[@adamfricska9438]

I've got one on my custom built carbon transition patrol and it works amazing

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Niiiccceeeee

[@wesleybailey4128]

I have the 11 speed and it works really well!

[@FreerideQuebec]

I rode a TRS+ 11 speed last year on my Capra and loved it... at first. The small 9 teeth gear was great, but the more I rode, the more the quality of the shifting degraded... After 3 months, the cassette wasnt as straight as it was, some teeth were messed up a lot, hard to stay on the same gear without skipping on the littles ones and impossible to pedal backward...I eventuality went on Sram Eagle instead. I'm open to ride one again in the future but need to hear good commentary on the long run before

[@dankraft]

This is similar to my experience on my Jeffsy. The TRS 11 speed started out great but it wears down really quickly over time. It just doesn't have the longevity I'd expect from something that expensive. I'm going to just take the weight penalty and change to Eagle when the time comes.

[@jasonbleakley7063]

I’m currently using the eThirteen TRS plus 12 speed cassette. I have it paired with XO1 cranks, chain, and a 32 tooth oval chain ring. The gear range is great, shifts are precise and quiet. I Love the cost and weight savings. It definitely helps to have two chain whips to remove the cassette as stated in the instructions, otherwise it can be a pain to take off. The new pinch bolt clamp design is an improvement from the old “nut” fastening system. I’ll be interested to see if the make a 12 spd TRS race version, like they do for their 11 spd cassettes. It would be great to have even more weight savings!

[@jmvdigital]

FWIW, I'm moving away from e13 and the TRS cassette. I've ridden e13 TRS 11sp cassettes on three bikes now over the last two years, through multiple design updates from e13. I also got my buddy riding on an e13. Yes, the range, weight savings, and price are nice. The downside for me has been threefold: 1) It's very finicky with shifting sometimes (for no reason I can figure out) even with perfect adjustment. This is especially noticeable when shifting into the big 46t cog. Sometimes it just says "fuck you!" and the chain grenades down the cassette like 5 or 6 gears with some horrible noises and often causes a stoppage of riding. This happens on all four bikes (including my buddy's). 2) It tends to get noisy because of the split interface and apparently that plastic spacer between the two cassette halves (according to e13). It starts creaking and cracking and the only solution is to remove the cassette, clean and reinstall. Not overly difficult, but a pain. 3) I've have to bail on one ride because the inner cassette lock ring loosened, which loosened the entire cassette on the hub body. I was not able to fix this with trailside tools (no chain whip). Had to soft pedal it back to the car 10 miles (luckily was mostly flat XC at that point in the ride).

[@juliodavidvega2407]

I understand the improvement for 11-speed since Sram only has 10-42 but for 12-speed you will only save maybe $25 or $30. Cassette is $251 and after 1,000 miles you need another aluminum cog set for $100 ( i think its more expensive) leaving you with ~$350 of cassette in 1,000 miles. I have the XO1 eagle with 1,700 (only two chains so far) miles and that thing will keep riding way over the 2,000 miles. Eagle is $385 and E-thirteen will end up close to $355 or more depending on the price for the aluminum cog set.

[@WolfnSheepsClothing1]

Julio David Vega I made the change to it from a GX Eagle mainly for the smaller granny cog vs. the 50 tooth on the SRAM. Less chain, a bit straighter chain-line, smaller front ring for a little less weight and clearance.

[@juliodavidvega2407]

@@WolfnSheepsClothing1 Nice. Good point. The Sram Eagle 10-50 setup is a bit tricky to setup and it might need minor adjustments more often than Shimano 11 speed XTR for example. Some people dont like the Eagle

[@EstebanRapido]

I've heard some bad stuff about the TRS 11 speed cassettes. Like too much noise or aluminum gears folding over. People do struggle with them. E13 has made several changes since they first started producing these cassettes, including batch by batch changes that might affect your install mattering on your XD driver. Both my bike shop and I COULD NOT install my 11 speed E13 cassette I purchased. The carrier (the first three aluminum cogs) were too tight to fit my XD driver. I had weeks of email messages to E13 that did nothing to help the situation because of one extremely unhelpful customer service representative. Once I called E13, and talked to a different person, the problem was solved in just a few days at no further cost to me. I couldn't believe how quickly my situation changed. I've had a few rides on it and its great. I'm totally happy with it but I still do have my worries. If you look at the numbers, it's hard to not be happy. My 11 speed GX derailleur is way cheaper than an XX1 Eagle derailleur and comes in at the same weight. This E13 cassette is 40 grams lighter than an XX1 Eagle cassette and some how still has more range. Although, the nine tooth is kind of silly. E13 made this right for me by giving me $130 worth of product to fix my issue but if you still have worries and your feeling adventurous, Garbaruk also makes a light weight expanded range 11 speed cassette.

[@liamwoods5353]

A lot of the tolerance issues have to do with the xD driver from the hub manufacturer. Some are slightly off from the intended spec and are larger or smaller, making installation hard creaking if its small. Hope XD drivers need a shim as theirs are too small...

[@rubenconzales9718]

Had durability issues with the 11sp trs race cassette and the replacement parts are expensive.

[@asselinpower]

I ll probably buy this when my x01 cassette wears out. I ve been satisfied with e thirteen products. Love their wheels. Nice video again, and that Insurgent is So jaw dropping! You could make a video about it, there s not much info on the net about the LB🤘

[@farido9354]

Its time for gearboxes

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

No kidding..... all of this 'high tech' 100yr old bicycle technology needs to evolve and soon.

[@Ahaggah]

*Upvotes to infinity*

[@Ahaggah]

Death to the derailleur!!!!

[@rualert1602]

Row, row, row your bike.

[@ChannelZeroOne]

There are already are some of the works. The issue with this is, it will be as difficult to repair as a automobile transmission, and the parts will be super specific. Might be more durable, but with planned obsolescence who knows.

[@ianw3811]

Smaller cogs equal more friction within the chain as it bends more. Would the weight advantage provide better efficiency than the decreased friction?

[@mrsLujanPherst1er]

9-52t helix with sram eagle xo1 12 speed. Not sure if it will work on my 22 stumpy carbon. I got an eagle 32t crankset it looks like my chain might be too short it barely clears the chainstay

[@stuartpilling6190]

Hi. I have a Specialized Camber comp 27.5 alloy. It runs a Sram GX 11 speed, 11 to 42t cassette. A Raceface 28t chainring, not sure if that is standard or not, as 32t seems to be the popular chainring, so I hear! I am thinking of replacing the old cassette with an e*thirteen TRS+. As it is an 11 speed, it is supposedly able to be good replacement for the old one without having to change the derailleur. Not that I mind putting on a new one, I just don't see the point of replacing one that is working so well. The only real con I have read, is they are less durable than the Sram cassettes? Also not as smooth. For me the plus is a wider range, with a 9 to 46t set. Coupled with the 28t chainring. The fact that I ride with a lot of Ebikes, has me falling a little short on the climbs. Here in Australia there are no restrictions on ebikes in parks like there. I personally don't have a problem riding with them, but the edge in climbing would be an advantage!

[@WolfnSheepsClothing1]

I just finally got mine working to the point where I could actually ride it for real. I replaced a GX Eagle cassette with the eThirteen TRS+ 12 speed cassette, X.0 Eagle shifter & derailleur, and whatever SRAM 12 Speed chain came on my 2018 Canyon Strive CF 8.0. With the SRAM chain I would not ride with this cassette beyond testing it out on the street in my neighborhood. In the higher gears it skipped harshly under load. Crank on the pedals and the teeth on the larger cog would catch the chain, lift it, and drop it back onto the smaller cog you were indexed to, no matter how much adjustment you made to cable tension...the screw was also set to the SRAM specs with their guide. Watching some you tube videos showing the same thing in the 11 speed version were solved with a 12 speed chain that was narrower. Turned out, eThriteen recommends a YBN chain...a ha! YBN chains are narrower than their competitors in both 11 and 12 speed, and have used/compared them before. Seems eThriteen, with their recommendation, knows about this. Problem solved and it works perfectly. The narrower YBN chain also about 95% solves the problem of the chin dropping off the large cow when backpedaling, which wouldn’t have been a deal breaker as it took about a revolution to a revolution and a half to drop it, which you would never do when actually riding. Now it usually doesn’t drop at all and on the occasion it dos it takes a lot to drop it. Bottom line, you may not have luck with this cassette without switching to the YBN chain eThriteen recommends. It’s possible a higher level SRAM chain would work, but I didn’t try.

[@emtbtrailrider539]

What’s the cassette made out of? Need steel for eMTBs

[@muddypawsadventurer7775]

I've been mulling this cassette thing in my mind for a few days now.... everything comes down to gear ratios. So, if you're a pro with high VO2 pumping a consistent 300+ watts capacity and racing... you're not looking for stump pulling ratios like me whose a Clydesdale size rider and the equivalent of watching a loaded semi-truck going up over the Grapevine here in CA. Back in 1991 at Crested Butte Fat Tire Bike festival(I was the innovator winner that year), I was sidelined because of a "double hernia", so I watched the Trials riders and got to know the guys of this company called Mtn. Tamer, and they had a 4th chainring to the crank... I put a 20 tooth to go with my 7sp 30 tooth cassette. Now I could ride Hell Hill without gassing :-] This gave me a 1:1.5 ratio for 26" , rolling distance 81". So, when I figure in the rolling distance of say 27.5, 86.4", I'm looking for a ratio of around 1:1.6 and 29ers 1:1.74. This Idea of 1x11 or 12 cassettes is really interesting. and Jeffs idea of going to smaller crank rings to loose weight, but to work into the right gear ratio for the individual. That was my comment... now, could a person say, put a Box 2 derailleur on a 1x12 cassette and utilize a 12sp shifter? the idea of a 9-46 and a oval 28 crank ring sounds interesting to me....

[@WorldwideCyclery]

You may be able to pull that off but we have not tested it and wouldn't necessarily recommend it but you sure could try!

[@JimmyRadloff]

I'm running an EThirteen TRS race cassette with a Shimano XT derailleur Sram cranks and chain ring and a Sram shifter and it works just fine....way better than the GX Eagle that I had constant problems with.

[@soultrain1973]

I'm running the same cassette on jeffsy 2018 when back pedaling the chain drops on the big 46' Do you have the same problem?

[@JimmyRadloff]

@@soultrain1973 No....try running a 12 speed chain, it helps with that problem

[@scottibass]

I have a Jeffsy so TRS+ 11 speed with Shimano derailleur. It works well enough but the chain comes out when back pedaling before hitting a climb. I may go with a full SRAM drivetrain next

[@soultrain1973]

Same, but only the big 46 is a problem when back pedaling I try a sram chain next... instead of a shimano chain

[@verdonrocksphotography3510]

when mine wears out for sure will go w it..........nice vid!

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Thanks for watching!

[@tomek6481]

This evil is talking to me 🤤 I will try e thirteen when the time it’s coming. I’m Interesting for so long to replace the eagle.

[@rogsands5644]

Will this work with sram 12 speed chain on my eagle? Do I need to shorten chain? Thanks

[@LeoInterHyenaem]

May I enquire if it's possible to set it up with a 48T chainring and an Eagle XX-series AXS rear derailleur on gravel / adventure road bike? As a rule, most run wide range cassettes with small chainrings (as they are mostly used on MTBs).

[@davenicholson3491]

I definitely give the e-thirteen a go 🤙

[@chumpmtb2554]

My question would be, if it is cheaper and lighter, does it wear out faster? Does the money saved get cancelled out by having to buy another one sooner than if you stayed with Sram?

[@WorldwideCyclery]

It should wear relatively the same, in fact e*thirteen claims it will have a longer wear life than SRAMs Eagle cassette but we can't attest to that personally.

[@germi1]

Good point! I am actually looking at a new crank and cassette to upgrade for my 1x11 Shimano XT. I wanted to keep the 11s since there is a considerable weight benefit. I wanted to set a SRAM XO1 11s cassette and XX1 cranks with the XT shifter and rear derailleur. What do you think about it? I saw Jared Graves was running something like that on his Spec Enduro, but then again, he has a full time pro mechanic while I only have hope and good will ;)

[@WorldwideCyclery]

There are actually quite a few guys running a similar setup and seem to like it. No personal long term experience with that setup but it seems to have ait's positives for some people.

[@christianala]

I love my e thirteen cassette. Works great and my bike is way lighter than with sram GX

[@Tofusoldat]

Is this cassette the same one like that on a '18 SC Nomad CC X.0?

[@chameleonpogono]

I'm assuming these don't work on a Shimano hub? Need the xD driver? I went from a Shimano 2x10 to a SRAM 1x11 over a year ago. Would like the 12 speed, though.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Correct, these are only made for the XD driver freehub. The best wide range cassette we know that works on a Shimano freehub is the Sram NX Eagle with 11-50t.

[@chameleonpogono]

@@WorldwideCyclery Thank you for the reply and information.

[@ignaciocardenal2839]

I’ll seriously consider this cassette when my 11-50 NX needs replacement

[@bigbuggabear7179]

9 tooth + 29er wheelset... Speed won't be any problem... holy molly!!!

[@metalslug26]

Awesome vid as always. To run this cassette. Do i need a special adapter to fit it to a SRAM XD driver? Thanks,

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Thanks a bunch! There is no need for an adapter on the XD driver. The only adapter required is if you are running a Hope hub.

[@metalslug26]

@@WorldwideCyclery Thank you guys!! I will replace with this cassette when my XO1 Eagle is done.

[@Dan-qk4ns]

When is the new 1x12 xtr going to be available?

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Sometime in the next 3 years. God only know my friend.

[@thelegendmtb3483]

Nice infomercial for E13, how much they paying you?? LOL JK Seems like a super awesome alternative, would definitely consider. I like the idea of smaller ring on front, especially with bikes coming with lower and lower BB lately, you can move to smaller ring, have better gear range and BB clearance - #WINNING. Would love to see you guys do an install video for this cassette on an XD hub, to see the process. Thanks

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Haha E.13 is paying us a whopping $0 to talk about their products. But yeah, it is a cool cassette and idea. Install video is a good thought thanks for the rec. And thanks for watching.

[@MStewart2562]

Got it and love it!

[@qwertykevin1]

im in the eagle gear most of the time on climbs thou, id want a bigger one if anything.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

If you get a smaller chainring then a 46t large cog could feel just like a 50t!

[@qwertykevin1]

I seeee. Lemme see what my front chainring is allreadly

[@qwertykevin1]

Waiiitt. For cassettes the 10 - 50 , is the first number the front chainring?

[@vomErsten]

@@qwertykevin1 No. The numbers are the tooth counts on the smallest and largest cogs in the cassette, respectively. On a 10-50T cassette, the smallest gear has 10 teeth and the largest has 50.

[@MMDX70]

I've used their 11 speed version TRSr. It developed horrible creaking noise when pedaling after few rides eventhough I generously lubed all contact points per provided manual. And this was supposed to be the improved version with new bushing that was supposed to fixed creaking issue. Anywho, installed 11 speed SRAM GX cassette since then and logged over 2000 miles on it with zero issue. Have E13 sorted out creaking issue on their cassette on their new 12 spd version?

[@EstebanRapido]

E13 makes the "carrier" in different tolerances. Maybe you got a looser fitting one? Mine was so tight, I could not install it on the XD driver. They shipped me one that fit looser and it been fine for 8 riders so far.

[@MMDX70]

@@EstebanRapido Mine was very tight to install onto hope pro 2 hub XD driver. Cassette (3 pieces) was so tight to install it onto XD driver it took me almost an hour.

[@EstebanRapido]

@@MMDX70 now that they are down to a two piece, it's probably better...? Again, 11 speed TRSr isn't making any noise.

[@elsolparatodos78]

Here in Switzerland the cassette sram xo1 costs $300 and the cassette TRS + 11 spd $295. So there is no need to change it

[@woduk]

Never used all one make of gears on my bike using kmc chain, sunrace cassette and shimano xtr shifter and rear mech

[@Ghostina1]

i use 11 Speed since Summer. Great Range! So #worldwide cyclery would you pls make a video where you change/edit a shifter (Shimano XTR , Sram ... etc.) that it will fit to 12 Speed Cassettes ... for somebody, like me, who has 11 Speed Cassette an Shifter right now and wanna change to 12 Speed later...

[@Loganmulally]

I personally like 11 speed but I know their 11speed version is piiimmpp too so I would run it.

[@durace99]

I’m still running 10spd cassette :(

[@tamasvarga67]

durace99 You are a wise man who didn’t drink the 12 speed cool aid... 😀

[@durace99]

Actually it came w my bike few years back. I prefer Jim Jones kool aid.

[@wernervandermerwe8422]

Lol I'm still on 3x9 26er XD

[@jcgerrits]

Haha. 10-spd'ers for !!!!!! Well not really, Will be making the swap to GX Eagle shortly. I have been pretty stoked about the leg strength that an 11-36 cassette and 30t chainring give you after a season.

[@durace99]

John Strange 30 42 is all I need really.

[@nicolocano5012]

Are ethirteen cassette 11 speed cassette?

[@WorldwideCyclery]

They do make an 11spd version of this cassette as well :)

[@nicolocano5012]

@@WorldwideCyclery thank you

[@AdrianSchwizgebel]

I‘m wondering how it holds up over time because of that 9t cog. Aren’t the lower three replaceable seperable? That would be a big plus against the eagle wouldn’t it?

[@zemangotao5599]

Nice

[@twowheelslater7112]

man I hope you guys running sram are spit shinning your drivetrain after every ride. That thing would need to last forever for me to justify that kind of money. 1500 miles and 300000 feet of climbing on my shimano xt with one chain and the 2 smallest cogs replaced.

[@johan-henryboning1340]

Is there anyone that can comment on the overall drivetrain efficiency when using the 9 tooth cog with a 30 tooth chainring compared to a lets say 11 tooth of another cassette paired with a 36 tooth chainring? I have heard different opinions but would love to hear from someone that has used similar setups back to back. I have a hardtail that I use for tar road as well and regularly use my top gear.

[@soultrain1973]

I rode both. The 9/ 30 combo is a minimal harder gear (35.7km/h. ) 85rpm, 29wheels 11/36combo , 35.0km/h 85rpm, 29wheels

[@WorldwideCyclery]

We have ridden these back to back. The 9t is a small cog and sure there is some more friction and efficiency loss in it. However, how often do you ride that gear? Your hardest gear on any cassette is almost never in use so worrying about the minor efficiency decrease in the two smallest cogs is not really worth the time. IMHO :)

[@onemetre]

Looking to upgrade my older XT similarly but stay with Shimano derailleur.

[@letsgoridebikes]

Cool beans. E13 is too legit to quit.

[@Candesce]

I personally am not a fan of e thirteen as a company... This cassette looks interesting though but i feel like I'd want a 30t chain ring with this since you'd be pushing a relatively higher gear ratio.

[@joshhunter9299]

I’ve heard the e*thirteen cassettes wear out faster than Eagle. Is there any truth to that?

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Hard to really say due to variables but I'd think it'd be relatively the same. e*thirteen actually claims a longer life due to "better chainline".

[@SirDriftAlot570]

for me.. id rather have the numerically higher range, vs that 9. eagle does bother me with the gear spacing tho, and getting on the 50t sometimes is out of sync so the chain rides high then clunks into place

[@NoBrakes23]

I agree. I'd be happy with 12t or 14t as my highest gear, and 42t to 46t as the lowest.

[@tamasvarga67]

Josiah Bateman Do you understand gear range at all? 9-46 is numerically higher range @511% than 10-50 @500%. With 9-46 you run 30T chainring instead of 34T and have the same (even lower) low end and the same top end.

[@tamasvarga67]

NoBrakes23 So then 1x10 with a 11-36 cassette is perfect for you, no need to spend crazy money on Eagle...

[@Dr4g0nW00d]

SunRace MZ90 12Sp 11-50t Shimano - Sram Cassette cost 120 bucks on chain reaction cycle why spending 400 bucks ??????

[@smokefast90606]

Dude his name jeefff and hes a smarty pants at bicycling

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Haha!

[@nature1dpalma]

When you ride for about 5 hours marathon type rides you wants those 4 teeth so much, like here in Costa Rica, so many hills with over 20% of gradient... More teeth is a better ride..

[@WolfnSheepsClothing1]

Dennis Al Palma E there’s no noticeable difference between 34-50 vs. 32-46 when riding...but, both being smaller on the TRS+ has some practical benefits.

[@tamasvarga67]

Dennis Al Palma E “More teeth is a better ride” - how??? Do you understand gear range and gear ratios? 9-46 gives you more range than 10-50.

[@worldstallestmidget]

I had one and did not like it. You can notice your missing a 50 tooth when climbing some long steeps. I even dropped to a 28t upfront. And to install it is a bitch at first but after that its easy to remember how to take it on,and off because irs such a pain. And and gz eagle is about tbe same price. But a lot heavy for weight weenie! Lol

[@raivkka4313]

32x50 is still a lower gear than the 30x46. I am in my 50 tooth "A LOT" in my riding area. I'll stick to easier pedaling for the moment.

[@tamasvarga67]

Raivkka That was just an example, nothing stops anybody to run 28T then it’s lower than 32/50.

[@karlfriedrich7758]

Why would you run a smaller granny gear than Eagle? It's not a road bike, you don't need that extra tooth on the top end and it completely defeats the purpose of that 12th gear. Just buy a GX cassette if you can't afford X01 or XX1

[@krod12683]

The gear spread on a cassette starts gradually. So the less you can go with the tooth count, the more linear the cassettes gear spread multiplies. So if you shift and want a smaller jump, it’ll feel like a smoother pedaling shift transition.

[@karlfriedrich7758]

@@krod12683 that's fine, but again, it is really unnecessary for mountain biking where terrain changes rapidly. On a 1x the vast majority of people want the best climbing capability possible not a 2T progression of the cassette that ends in a gear ratio that was peak technology 8 years ago. The only major jump in the Eagle cassette is from 46-50, all the others are very gradual so why anyone would want to limit their bottom end and for a marginally more gradual transition is unusual.

[@tamasvarga67]

You need to look at the gear range not the size of the biggest cog. 9-46 is more than 10-50. You can run a smaller chainring (30 instead of 34) and you have the same (even lower) low end. GX Eagle cassette is ~120g heavier and the cassette is the perfect component to save some unsprung weight.

[@karlfriedrich7758]

@@tamasvarga67 That's true, but put the same 30T on the Eagle and you have an *even* lower ratio and the gear jumps should be less than a 34T too as well. The wear-out rate of these is also pretty poor, buying one X01 or XX1 cassette is justified when you need to replace this cassette after a season and is also going to make up the weight difference on GX vs this cassette.

[@tamasvarga67]

Karl Walter Doesn’t matter which way you cut it this e13 has more range than Eagle. As for wear, have you tried it or just saying?

[@zemangotao5599]

Works with shimano M9100

[@noeserd]

Xx1 cassette unwearable cassette :d

[@raupenimmersatt6906]

400€ for a cassette is just stupid. A 1-46 XT will cost about 60€....400€ for a piece of metal lol

[@rubenconzales9718]

Warn the 11 speed e13 race cassette in less than 500 miles.

[@jdub_7139]

E*thirteen is butts.

[@cellphonenut]

Actually have been thinking about picking up the new e13 13 speed

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Hahaha! Maybe someday.