556% for Shimano & SRAM Eagle 12 Speed? - e*thirteen HELIX R Cassette, E13 Ride Impressions

[@joelpiazza3600]

I've been running the following configuration since March of 2021: Helix R 12 speed cassette with a 30 tooth AB chain ring, GX (now X01) shifter, KMC chain, and Shimano XT rear mech. I have about 800 miles on the Helix R with no issues and great shifting performance. It's lighter and less expensive the the major S brand competitors' options. Great review!

[@marcjohn7416]

Didn't know shifter and derailleur could be mixed. I run XT shifter and derailleur on SRAM drivetrain

[@Jacob99174]

@@marcjohn7416 I’m running same drivetrain mix as you

[@marcjohn7416]

@@Jacob99174 actually not completely correct. Helix R cassette, xx1 chain with SRAM cassette. Had a gx cassette before but wore it outb

[@WatchJapan]

After hours of anxiety trying to get the aluminium part of the cassette to join to the steel part, you my kind Sir have managed to solve it! Once all the contact points on both the aluminium and steel clusters have a good coating of grease... 1) Support the wheel on two opposite sides with wood under each side 2) Use a cassette tool NOT a chain whip. 3) Apply lots of downward pressure whilst turning.

[@rufflycorrect]

I've been running the 11-speed 9-46t cassette for about three years first with SRAM and then Shimano drivetrains and it's still going strong.Excellent performance just as you say in your video. I might eventually switch out to a 12-speed in order to get the extra range.

[@LoveMTB]

I don’t know about the extra range…511% vs 510% Shimano or 520% SRAM?

[@slimjim4ever]

I’m using 11 speed 9-46 helix cassette on my Shimano drivetrain (M8000 shifter M9000 derailleur) & absolutely love it. It gives the the range or 12 speed while offering clearance. I am running X01 chain though as it seems like Shimano chains often doesn’t get along with foreigners...

[@jerbyjerbjerb]

Thanks for reviewing this cassette, this is perfect for my gravel bike setup I can now downsize my chainring to 40t from 44t while still having the same top speed thanks to 9t and have more range for climbing. I think this wins over Garbaruk 10-52t though the Garbaruk was a bit lighter and a bit cheaper than this.

[@vladimirpazdera9699]

Perfect! Thanks to you I also bought my first e*13 9-46 (11t) cassette, the Helix looks perfect, I'm going to buy it too! Thanks for the awesome review!

[@petedivine]

Great review.👏 Purchased the 12 speed helix cassette as a replacement for the X01 SRAM cassette on my Santa Cruz 5010.

[@tu666m]

Hi Sir, just wanted to say great job for the videos. i really enjoyed how you went straight to the point with short concise explanation instead of spending first 10mins~half hour(gasp!) with intro and ramblings. Really enjoyed your presentation, good job and keep it up. Cheers and happy 2022.

[@lukeflowers6571]

I’ve had the Helix for about 4 months now. Between 200-300 miles on it. I love the Nine tooth high gear! I do have issues with chain skipping under load on just the 9 and 11 tooth cogs. Running a Shimano 12speed SLX chain…I will measure it soon to see if I’ve already stretched it. That’s my only concern

[@williammorris6097]

i've heard about 9t skipping issues from other peiopkle as well. I race xc and that would be a huge disadvantage, if you want to stand up to sprint on the 9t cog. Have you resolved this issue? do you know others who also have issues?

[@nigelroe8195]

@@williammorris6097 usually its a case of the directional chain link being wrong way round.....had that on my GX eagle drivetrain.....was hidden on larger cogs but exposed on the smallest! Gone once swapped to right way round!

[@lukaszwieleba4273]

Thanks for reviewing this e thirteen cassette. Just ordered one, was little warning about performance as didn't get any proper reviews on it. Great work.

[@lukaszwieleba4273]

@@LoveMTB My bike came with Sram GX grup set but i change shifter for shimano 12s xt 8100 (because i was messing double release). And now i gonna have e thirteen cassette. I will post my experience with this new setup in next week.

[@lukaszwieleba4273]

@@LoveMTB yes I seen it, but never seen anything like this in shimano.

[@gernottoventile_mtb]

I'm running the Helix R with a GX Eagle drivetrain and it works a charm. Also you get some weight saving, because of the smaller front chainring. And the Helix cassette is lighter as well.

[@tobermorys.4206]

I have been running a E*13 9-46 TRS+ 11 speed cassette mixed with a SRAM drivetrain. Shifting was really good. Maybe a wee bit harsher and louder than SRAM but still quick and precise. However there are a few drawbacks of that E*13 system: 1. The cassette started to make a creeking noise after approx. 200 km because the contact points are made out of metal. Disassembly and re-greasing solved the issue however yet again after 200 km the issue was present all over. Looking on the internet showed that many users faced the same issue using the provided grease. I got it fixed by using Motorex copper grease instead of the E*13 standard one. 2. The only way making full use out of the wider range is installing a smaller chainring as you did. However a smaller chain rain increases the change of chain rattle and might also require running a chain guide in order avoiding losing the chain. And the biggest issue is that because of the smaller chainring most of the time also smaller cogs are used in vast majority of riding time in turn resulting in higher wear both on the cassette and the chainring.

[@jefreymina]

Same creeking issue with my 9-46. After applying grease at the third time. I decided to replace it with other brand cassette. I love it except that I give up on the creeking sound.

[@killgates9890]

How smooth does the nine cog work. Thats the guestion. And think about an 11 speed with a nine cog and short cage you can switch under load, maybe with a shorter derailer cage with bigger whells. Thanks for the god answers we need when we buy this stuff.

I have a 2x12 with a 10-45 cassette and 26-36 chainrings. The lowest gear is enough on the steepest hills, and the highest gear is only needed when i ride smooth gravel roads downhills or strong tailwind. And the chainline is way better on the extremes.

[@TCK71]

Brilliant review, I'm going to try this next time I need a rear 12 speed cassette.

[@bacala0]

I've had a Helix cassette for a few hundred miles already. Performance: flawless shifting with a lunar GX / X01 chain setup. Installation: I'm not sure I would recommend it for a Hope hub. The only way the big cluster doesn't move towards the outside - install the biggest shim you can, no lube / yes dry (it will not creak), and secure fastener very tight (I don't use a torque wrench, but assume tighter than 3nm). Durability: weak anodizing (orange has faded a lot), the aluminum assembly is showing wear but works 100% ok. Might try the intergalactic / hardened cogs when that one wears out.

[@veryveryintense]

Thanks for this comment, I am looking to step up from 10-52 eagle to this or the garbaruk to keep my lovely range, got to say this was looking good till I read your info about the hope hub. It also concerns me that more than 1 gear is aluminium because I generally run my bike almost as an 11 speed, never using the low gear unless bikepacking or riding somewhere mountainous. I have gotten a very high mileage with gx eagle considering the muddy conditions I ride in in the winter, I think these two lead me back to the garbaruk for now.

[@Ghostina1]

Please do test the Garbaruk 12 Speed Cassettes. They are way cheaper, lighter and perform similar. But I want to hear your verdict and opinions...

[@Ghostina1]

They even produce HG Driver 12 Speed Cassettes. Which give older bikes an opportunity to go twelve speed. For the record I am not related to them. I just like there Products.

[@suspensionmtb516]

60 days or more to produce

[@SM-lj2ef]

I bought a garbaruk last year and paired with xt mech. It is beautiful machined and shifts amazing. Also lighter and cheaper even shipped to Canada. Only thing beneficial of the e13 is that 9T for higher speed.

[@marekzmazur2077]

Good suggestion. I'm also interested in the garbaruk cassettes.

[@brookefore4618]

How has the durability on this been? Any concerns about the installation system? An Eagle cassette mounts to the driver by threading it on at 50nm torque. This one just clamps on using that little 3nm set screw. That seems like a recipe for the cassette to come loose and shift/slide out are on the driver.

[@LoveMTB]

It does not shift, under heavy heavy torque you might hear a bit of tension in those large cogs, otherwise ok. DOn't have it anymore was stolen together with my bike

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

Hey! Any mid term update? Anything negative or do you still recommend? Also, I'm assuming there is no lame Eagle chain sync issues on the 2 biggest gears because they are not narrow wide?

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

@@LoveMTB Perfect explanation! I am worried about that because I'm 200lbs and all of my rides are out/up and back/down with some pretty punchy sections requiring full gas in 1st or 2nd, and I have read posts of bent cogs. I found an X01 on Lord Gun for cheaper than the E13 so I'll just pull the trigger. Thanks again for the channel!

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

@@LoveMTB Hey, last question. If you had to choose either this Helix R or a Shimano XT 12 speed to use with GX AXS shifter/RD/GX carbon cranks/Absolute Black round ring, which would you choose? I'm really tired of the chain sync issues in 1st and 2nd on Eagle.

[@johnparrish336]

Great video. Solid info as usual. Thanks for posting. 👍🏼

[@uuryzc]

Recently purchased Garbaruk 10-52 shimano micro spline casette and i am in love with that light one piece beauty !!!. No offense but after shimano messy casette installation this one piece SRAM like casette is big step up for me !!! It's so neat and it seems also durable, shifting is very good and quiet also. My whole drivetrain is M 9100. Almost 2000 km with it and i am so satisfied with it. I don't want to go back shimano casette ever again, unless they make one piece durable and light casette.

[@LoveMTB]

Have the Garbaruk here! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpK4h5-Dir6Ymqc

[@МихаилМиронов-ю8т]

I have older Trs+ 11-46 12 speed. Tested with Sram GX & Shimano XT shifters both with Xt8100 SGS RD on two bikes. Older cassette works better with Sram shifter. So if you want your Shimano setup to work better just use Sram shifter (GX or above).

[@Perception_]

To be honest I'm mostly interested in options with less teeth on the smallest cog, so this being 1 tooth down is a big welcomed bonus in my eyes. Especially when you as well have lighter gears than normal with the same cassette. It does look a bit humorous with that big thing on there, but anyhow. Function all day long in my eyes.

[@goodpools]

4:02 maybe the design called for it to be installed with the screw in and the rest of the cassette connected?

[@krustytutos]

i do like your video, first time here, greatings from Chile - South America

[@DaviCupra]

I have been using Sram cassetes lately, all 10-50t on my Sram X01 drivetrain, i still haven't bought the new 10-52t because i think the gap between the 42-52t cog is too big, a 45-52t or 46-52t would be great! I was almost tempted to buy the Shimano XT 10-51t cassete and chain and install it, but i will wait a bit more time and see what Sram will do with future 12 speed cassetes. Thanks for the videos.

[@DaviCupra]

@@LoveMTB yes it has been hard times for manufactures putting out the items. In my case i use a 10-50t cassete with a 34t oval chainring, so a 51t or 52t big cassete cog would be a little more handy in some cases where i ride, cheers.

[@sabamacx]

How can you shift under load?! Upshifts even without noise can sometimes feel like they "catch" on a tooth now and then. Cant imagine under load.

[@JasonLiske]

Only shimano... which is why - only shimano :)

[@ApexHerbivore]

Treat yourself to XT

[@coevad3961]

Excellent video on how to install ethirteen Helix R Cassette. I'm about to install the same exact one. Thank you!

[@LoveMTB]

You're welcome!

[@homermagdalan5914]

Hello I have a question, should my chain rub on the ISCG05 chain guide? (The plastic thing on top that prevents chain from falling), It rubs specially when I shift to my 50t largest cogs,

[@camdjkim]

what happens if you use the 32 t chain ring instead of replacing it with the 30t?

[@marekzmazur2077]

I'm interested how it will wear. On my trs+ cassette the ramp on the 2nd smallest cog began to wear and the chain wouldn't want to jump off the 9T.

[@jukerleejon9189]

Can u give me your old groupset? My groupset is ltwoo and its broken i cant ride

[@GokkunGuru]

The SRAM XX1 cassette requires many turns of the cassette lock ring to tighten to 40Nm. But this Helix one seems to not even have one single revolution of turns to move from the unlock to lock position. How does that work?

[@GokkunGuru]

@@LoveMTB oh what about the big cogs, are those screwed into the XD threads?

[@razorree]

perfect setup is 10-42 (xg-1175) or 11-46 11s casette + XT M8000 mech, 32t chainring.

[@funLad80]

Great video! Just one question - I'm building new bike with 55 mm chainline at the moment, could you tell me what do you mean by saying that you can back pedal without any problem with this cassette? Does 55 cl cause any problems even if it configured as it should be (correct crank etc)? Thank you

[@MG-pw7jp]

I am just thinkin, would the 556% range also help with achieving a better top speed?

[@LoveMTB]

Definitely!

[@dzastafahrai]

This helix looks good, since my GX cassette is just backed after one year of riding (2 chains replaced). I wish it would be something with more reasonable price.

[@yordanistornesmedina]

Hi, great video. Is it normal that with a 1x12 groupset, the chain goes down to the next smallest cog while back pedaling on the greater one(min 8:32 of your video)? It is safe for groupset components? Recently I installed a Shimano SLX 7100 1x12 groupset in a bike with 52cm chain line and the chain drops to the next smaller cog while pedaling backwards on 51 cog.

[@yordanistornesmedina]

Chainline measurement at home or by hand resulted in a bit crazy for me :-), my bike rear hub is Boost 141 and the BB shell is 73mm with. I used Shimano's original components, including the microspline freehub (Boost 141) for 12 speed, and every component was installed according to Shimano's specs. I think this drivetrain on my bike will perform better with a crankset chainline of (maybe) 49mm, even though Shimano says it recommends a chainline of 52mm and the SLX FC-M7100-1 is compatible with O.L.D 141. Haven't tested yet with 49mm.

[@mikedonahue9174]

It sounds like the performance was slightly better in the SRAM set up. If I'm running Shimano, do you think maybe a SRAM chain would help close the gap a bit for better performance? I love your videos and when yours come up in my searches, I always check them out first!! Thank you!

[@JohnCoconis]

What is the procedure with a hope hub? Is it even possible? I tried to install a Leonardi General Lee and it was impossible even when switching to a newer axel.

[@williammorris6097]

How does the 9t run? smoothly? does it shift smoothly? Will it take a stand up sprint load ? I've heard form multiple parties that a 9t cog isn't as smooth or as reliable.. Please comment so I can determine if I should buy one.. thanks!!

[@donr868]

Thanks for the review. I have SRAM but I am thinking to change to XTR rear mech and shifter. Do you think SRAM or Shimano chain will work best with XTR and Helix cassette? Or same difference?

[@neysonza]

Have you tried it in the shimano drivetrain but with the sram chain? Maybe it works better with sram chains.

[@neysonza]

@@LoveMTB but i thought hg+ was for the chain and cassette combo only? It wont work when using a third party cassette. Now that you are using a third party cassette, why not try using sram chain.

[@DomainionSB165]

Need your help i have sram gx eagle cassette and dt swiss hub you mention about shim at 2:21 do i need to put mine too?

[@DomainionSB165]

@@LoveMTB I’m not sure. Maybe xdr

[@DomainionSB165]

@@LoveMTB so i have yeti sb165 so xd then 😂 my question do i need to put the shim? Or no?

[@nextlevelcycling8988]

How is the sensation of using the smallest cog compared to the SRAM smallest? Any issues with the backstays etc?

[@donr868]

I notice there is also an e*thirteen TRS + cassette which is a little cheaper but not as pretty. Do you know if TRS + is same performance as Helix R?

[@stefanwagener]

Interesting, but the problem with the smaller cogs is that the jumps between the gears get bigger. And the 22% jump from 9 to 11 tooth is huge and way too much for my liking. Even 11 to 13 is a 18% jump and pretty big, but common. I don't mind bigger jumps in the lower gears like from 42 to 50 but for higher speed in flat or slight downhill sections (when air resistance becomes the most relevant part) the 22% jump is a no-go.

[@outerstellar7186]

So you applied grease all over the cassette ( useless action ) but didn't apply it on the threads of the bolts?

[@dannyvv75]

It looks really well constucted but also a bit complecated compared to Sram's NX and GX cassette's. My cassette often is taken of completly for cleaning, this looks like a lot of work with E13. For road use it's probably ok but in muddy conditions i'm not zo sure

[@ryufrank]

I was considering the Helix R cassette once my X01 needed replacement. I assume this cassette will be fine in combination with AXS derailleur. Right?

[@suspensionmtb516]

@@LoveMTB in general terms, eagle is more tolerant to changes, dust, wear,, etc. Shimano works great when everything is spot on. When not, then is not so good, plus some other incoviniecenes as proprietary one way chain and some other detalis that make your life hardwr

[@stinkyfungus]

Runs great with my X01 axs rear mech. On a KMC DLC 12sp chain.

[@jukerleejon9189]

Can you give me your old groupset please:( im from ph

[@ludinhofilms]

did you do any installation videos of axs with the helix cassette?

[@martinmbae2688]

I bought this cassette for my new xc bike but couldn't really set up the adjustments on the barrel adjuster so my setup is noisy and slow to respond. I'm running an xd hub with an slx derailleur and an xt shifter and even the mechanic I went to couldn't get them to work seamlessly

[@martinmbae2688]

@@LoveMTB Thanks for replying. The chain length is fine but I don't know about the B gap, maybe that's where the problem is. I realized there was a problem when I dialed the barrel adjuster to its end point as I was trying to follow some tutorials but still the shifting was still not right. I can see in your video the shifting is as smooth as that of SRAM XX1 so I'll try to find a mech who can achieve that

[@VinceCabahug]

If I buy a new set of wheels, does this mean I have to get an XD hub?

[@LoveMTB]

For this cassette for sure, take a look at the installation covered here

[@edgardotongol6286]

Good morning from Philippines i have a Giant fathom 2 mountain bike 12 speed Sram the chainring is 30t can i change it to 36 or 40t what about the chain pls advice?

[@jomaloro1492]

I don't get why it is compatible with both drivetrains? What's the difference between one or the other?

[@mitchellmtb7202]

What about backpedaling on the biggest cog? Does the chain drop down?

[@mrvwbug4423]

Does this improve Shimano 12 speed shifting with the oval chain ring? My experience using an oval ring (absolute black) with Shimano 12 speed is that it has a very negative impact on shifting, especially upshifting into harder gears, typically a big delay before dropping into the next gear.

[@RobySVK]

I run absolute black oval with Shimano SLX 12sp drivetrian and see no such problem. Try to change your cable housing with cable.

[@Mikesonbikes]

I run a 1up 30t oval with the 10-52 Shimano XT Casette an xt derailleur and xt chain. It shifts perfectly with the oval

[@c4l1f0rn143000]

uhm, i tried out the e13 12 speed 9 to 46? although it was as good as my sram stuff for sure when shimano came out with their HG+, it was a no brainer to switch, it doesnt compare and its noiser and it works betetr with srams uh.. sloppy drive train, than it does with shimanos quieter stuff fantastic tho, went from a 34chainring to a 30 chain ring and could still get around in between runs np cool thing to check out, nothing to dig deep for tho

[@kaedeschulz5422]

Seems to be awesome! KCNC also has a 9-52 but not sure if it shift's as well. And thanks a lot for doing all these reviews!

[@dennisrod5808]

Great video as always. I’m thinking of getting this cassette only bc of the color way. I’m also getting the gray one. Does it really look like copper? Did they send you the wrong color? TIA.

[@dennisrod5808]

@@LoveMTB thanks. What a shame. In the website looks straight up gray.

[@EstebanRapido]

I'm glad they are still making these but I really want an all black one.

[@EstebanRapido]

@@LoveMTB Yeah, I just want a fewer colors on my bike. At least is installed correctly. When I installed my 11-speed TRS cassette, it wouldn't fit the driver. I even took it to a bike shop and they couldn't manage it either. The larger aluminum cogs would not fit onto the XD driver. Thankfully, e13 was cool about it and sent me one that would fit that particular brand of XD driver. I guess the tolerances of the XD need to be pretty tight. Hopefully e13 has a handle on it by now.

[@MrRGM10]

I have 11-52 would 44t chainring be enough? I need topspeed

[@GokkunGuru]

Is there any NW teeth on any of the cogs of the E13 cassette?

[@neandertaler3683]

Are you going to check the garbaruk 12S HG+ 10-52t cassette as well?

[@neandertaler3683]

@@LoveMTB I’ll give you that. I‘m in the same road there - don’t know why any other than 10-50 is actually worth milling, as there is plenty of range and solid steps. Don’t want to shred a 9t cog and I’m not even gettin to use my 51t cog on my deore cassette, while kicking 34t in the front. So why even bother about a 52t cog.

[@talesfromthetrailz]

What hubs did you install this on? I read that i9 is a tight fit

[@LoveMTB]

DT Swiss. And XD driver is a standard, should be the built the same.

[@talesfromthetrailz]

@@LoveMTB so you're saying the hub shouldn't matter? As long as it has an XD driver?

[@LoveMTB]

@@talesfromthetrailz yes indeed

[@davidyoung-nb2pu]

I assume this will work fine we the Sram GX Axs ? Cheers

[@richardroskell3452]

Awesome gear review as always. Thanks!

[@williammorris6097]

but the e thirteen doesn't work with the shimano microspline does it? So it really doesn't work with a complete shimano drivetrain

[@williammorris6097]

@@LoveMTB I meant it only works with a Shimano drivetrain if you have a Sram xd driver which isn't a part of a 12 speed shimano drivetrain setup normally. It will work on a shimano setup if you have an xd driver mixed with Shimano rear derailleur and shifter, and want to replace the sram cassette. Am I correct? Or am I missing something?

[@ferdspascual1763]

How about the ZTTO 9-50t? Have you tested it?

[@ChinoZ32]

Thank you for your video. Still keen to see your long term feedback of your Shramano set up. Curious also if any improvements if you put the helix R cassette into the mix.

[@bulbobu]

Curious to see your review having this work with AXS. I tried and tried and the shifting was very disappointing. Hanger, install, chain, oval/round, offset, micro adj were all dialed but in the end I sold the helix. Went with a gx and shifting was immediately better.

[@bulbobu]

@@LoveMTB GX AXS with Ethirteen Helix. Was fine with the GX cassette

[@jovencioluspian8024]

@@LoveMTB any update AXS and the Ethirteen helix set up?

[@alexraith7010]

Hi, super informative video. Can you please answer the following question? I upgraded from SRAM X1 1x11 to e*thirteen TRS+ 12 Upgrade-Kit on my Stumpjumper. Front SRAM 30T steel. After 941km and 21,700 meters altitude difference I had to change the e*thirteen chain. Now I'm using a SRAME GX 12 chain, erything is now going well and quietly again. Do you find this mileage appropriate? And is the HELIX R cassette compatible with the e*thirteen TRS+ 12? Thanks very much

[@alexraith7010]

@@LoveMTB Thank you for your quick reply. Good to know that this mileage is ok. I've just heard too many dissenting opinions. Some people claim a chain has to last at least 3000km !?

[@alexraith7010]

@@LoveMTB I had measured 0.75. Then I did another tour, only 30km and 600hm. Then the chain was at 1.0 😱. Now I am constantly measuring and will change at 0.75. A SRAM chain doesn't cost a lot

[@alexraith7010]

@@LoveMTB Thanks for the hint. I checked again yesterday. After 550km and 12500hm the wear is below 0.5. Now I'm useing a SRAM GX chain, it might last longer. I will report when I reached 0.5 wear.

[@billboard1894]

I have a shimono hub trying to switch to sram Will this work

[@cypriano8763]

Pretty slick. E 13 makes some good stuff. Maybe make a video on their carbon super light cranks

[@jack91522]

What chain do you recommend with the Helix? Sram or Shimano 12sp? Or it doesnt matter as long as it is compatible with the front chainring?

[@stinkyfungus]

I run a 12sp KMC DLC chain - runs well on the E13 and the Garburuk 42t 12sp chainring

[@jack91522]

@@stinkyfungus thats a really expensive chain for a wear item

[@tyren818]

Hey man, I have kona rove dl 2022, it has sram rival 11-42t 11spd cassette, will I need that xd hub or whatever that thing is to install the 11spd ethirteen trs plus gen2? I'm new to cycling, don't know all the terms. Thanks

[@tyren818]

@@LoveMTB so sram rival 1x 11spd doesn't come with already?

[@tyren818]

@@LoveMTB ok thanks. I might just buy a whole wheelset instead

[@tyren818]

@@LoveMTB yes will do thanks

[@johnnnewmex]

I have never understood the need for a 10t cog much less a 9t cog. I'd really like to see some cassettes that were higher end but did a 11-50 or 12-52.

[@garavonhoiwkenzoiber]

not sure why they're not ebike compatible?

[@Anykine50]

Can you test the KCNC 12 speed cassette?

[@256shadesofgrey]

@@LoveMTB They are from Taiwan. Their cassette has an even bigger range than the e*13, namely 9-52t.

[@Anykine50]

@@LoveMTB I’ve heard decent in person reviews thought you’d like to do a comparison. Thx anyway

[@MrFearless16]

Does it come off the cassette when back pedaling like their other cassettes?

[@bmobuell]

@LoveMTB did the chain stay on during backpedal on both setups ?

[@bmobuell]

@LoveMTB awesome. I have the cassette and a one up chainring on the bike I’m building. 52mm chain line. I can’t decide on SRAM, or XT derailuer and chain. Or XT derailuer and SRAM chain. If u got to choose based on your experience testing. Which would you choose ? Full shimano setup has always sounded and felt smoother to me. But with the helix cassette what would be your perfect setup ? Thx and great video !

[@georgelite9]

Can it be used with the Hope XD body?

[@julioaragao]

What chain were you using in the sram drivetrain in this video?

[@julioaragao]

@@LoveMTB thanks!

[@rod2emmaus]

It worked on my Santa Cruz Bullit ebike 👍🏼👍🏼

[@rod2emmaus]

@@LoveMTB it depends on the trail. I got the purple color that matches the Bullit’s Lavender color 😎👍🏼

[@soliranje]

There is a KCNC 12s cassette with 9-52T gear range

[@der_hahnenkamm]

I would say that the last step 42 to 50 is to high for a Non-Ebike. I`ve got the GX on my Ebike and it is okay. On my Bronson I love my XTR-Casette! Good review, specially demonstrating shifting!

[@steche0]

Do you face any chain drop issue when backpedaling from de 50 teeth cog ?

[@steche0]

@@LoveMTB Yes, on the Shimano configuration : did this cassette improve the chain drop on the biggest cog or were your both bikes (with SRAM ans Shimano) able to backpedal without issue ? I am asking this because I currently have this issue on m’y Spectral 29 (SRAM cassette 10x52 with 56.5mm chainline) and I try to find how to fix it (maybe this cassette with a chainring smaller than the current 32T)…

[@DmitryBashlovka]

It's good that the E13 has gone away from the giant aluminum band nut. And it will be very interesting whether the cassette will creak after a while, as the 11-speed E13 cassette did at the junction of the steel basket and the aluminum group of stars.

[@DmitryBashlovka]

@@LoveMTB And if you compare with a Garbaruk cassette, which one is better?

[@DmitryBashlovka]

@@LoveMTB OK, thanks!

[@andrewmazzer]

I have the garbaruk, it is brilliant. Much better spacing on the top 3 cogs (doesn't have that massive jump from 52-42), shifts beautiful with my SRAM X01 and colours too !

[@ZhengZL69]

I'm honestly more excited to see smaller cogs get smaller, so that bigger cogs don't need to be so big and both the cage of the RD and the front chainring can me smaller. Heck maybe someday my enduro bike will have a Zee RD but with the range of an enduro bike haha.

[@mcsweeneys3383]

I hear you, i also dislike the mega long Derailleur and the huge cassettes.

[@ZhengZL69]

@@LoveMTB My Shimano 10-51 on my Canyon Strive groupset. I already broke two RD doing trialsy moves and hitting the derailleur sideways, Can't buy a third because I'm broke so yeah: Smaller cog + Smaller ring - a bit higher wear - Lightweight - Less chain / chainslap - Less prone to damage Overall way better.

[@ChaviBonchev]

Smaller than 9t at the current cog diameter?... I think we're already at the limits. I agree 50 is big enough, so I would rather welcome the rear hub integrated shifters, such as Classified Powershift, currently offering 451% range.

[@ZhengZL69]

@@ChaviBonchev I honestly would be happy with a 9 speed 9-45t and a 30t in the front with 165mm cranks. Actually I would go for Box components but their offerings are expensive and can't even be found here in Spain. Advent X is a good alternative though.

[@ZhengZL69]

@@LoveMTB Yeah I saw it already and I actually liked that cassette but I can't afford to change mine either and the used market isn't much helpful here in my city either. Thanks for the suggestion though!

[@Cotedesezanne]

Do you feel influence of the lighter cassette on rotational mass of the rear wheel? Maybe acceleration is faster or something else?

[@alexandresarachi1360]

Consigo instalar um cambio sram gx axs em um cassete shimano de 11-50 ou 11-51

[@alexandresarachi1360]

@@LoveMTB mais oque você colocou é 10-50 eu queria saber do 11-50

[@pavlokhryshcheniuk7765]

I was unlucky enough to get an e13 cassette on my YT Jeffsy and my God was that cassette garbage: shifting was terrible, would drop the chain from the bigger cogs under load and the smaller cluster would wear out after only a few hundreds of kilometers. It was replaced under a warranty but the new cassette was just as terrible. I gave up on it and switched to the complete Sram GX Eagle drivetrain. Maybe they fixed these issues on the newer cassettes, who knows but considering a price I wouldn't risk testing it.

[@pavlokhryshcheniuk7765]

@@LoveMTB yep 11s TRS Plus

[@dennismicallef9350]

Weird. I'm on my 3rd season with a first gen 11sp trs+. Still works great. It's a little crunchy shifting under load into the 46 but that's to be expected. Maybe your b-screw wasn't set correctly? I remember that took a bit of trial and error. I bought it as it was the cheapest way to get eagle range without buying a new shifter and derailleur. It's exceeded my expectations.

[@nigelroe8195]

@@dennismicallef9350 same here on my 5th season and original Jeffrey trs+ 11 speed cassette still going strong and shifting smoothly with just 1x outer cogs replacement....2 years of lower mileage during COVID though! Now looking to go 12 speed with the helix maybe but wonder about longer term shimano shifting quality....

[@neoncrab5605]

What's better groupset xt or slx is it the same quality?

[@neoncrab5605]

@@LoveMTB so you mean slx is better?

[@ahidofe]

what about kcnc 12s cassette? it would be a fair comparison between these 2. Very good review! greetings from México

[@viniciovieirajr.]

Very good review and informations! Thanks so much!

[@TheJjyoung333]

How are these holding up? Thinking about purchasing one.

[@TheJjyoung333]

@@LoveMTB New bike came with nx eagle. Newly ordered wheelset comes with xd driver so I need new cassette. Thinking XT shifter, e13 or x01 cassette, along with nx derailleur for now. Derailleur will be swapped for Shimano after it breaks. Xo1 chain.

[@TheJjyoung333]

@@LoveMTB x01 is $100 more

[@McFly439]

@@LoveMTB Hey, why advising him X01 if you have flawless experience with E13, i dont understand ?

[@McFly439]

@@LoveMTB ok ! And for now how do you compare E13 VS X01 ?

[@McFly439]

@@LoveMTB ok thanks. Just ordered a E13 to replace a GX on my new bike... i had a really bad experience on the GX cassette with a broken teeth on the 50 and on two different cassettes so i hope the E3 is more solid on the aluminium 42 and 50...

[@clintjones9848]

There are 9-52 cassettes available.

[@gregcavanaugh6259]

1st world problem. Thanks for the perspective!

[@DavidGarcia-ud1ex]

where can i buy this cassette? (e thirteen helix R)

[@Ropetable]

I use the garbaruk microspline 10-52 cassette. its the lightest or almost lightest one available and at a great price as well. it uses best of both worlds, shimano hyperglide +, the ease of use of the microspline body for cassette installation, the one piece steel construction of sram, so no bite on the splines and the whole cassette just slides on (also available in sram xd), and all in nice colours. so far a big fan. I wish i had a 9 tooth though.

[@williammorris6097]

can you tell a difference in the gearing spacing on the Garbaruk vs the shimano?

[@Jacob99174]

How’s the wear of the garbaruk?

[@Ropetable]

@@Jacob99174 its pretty good. have not yet worn one down. comparable to sram and shimano counterparts. i use ethirteen 9-50t cassette now as my favourite on my other bike. hyperglide works even better.

[@Jacob99174]

@@Ropetable awesome, thanks for the feedback!

[@Ropetable]

@@LoveMTB can say the e*thirteen is the best cassette overall i have ever used.

[@JogBird]

i only use my 10t cog when i need to take the wheel off, cant imagine how strong you need to be to push a 9t on an mtb

[@ptys2207]

riding down 40kph+?

[@ApexHerbivore]

I run out of gears on the slightest downhill with a 32t front ring. 20ish mph and it's pointless pedaling anymore

[@FightFilms]

@@ApexHerbivore hans are not herbivores. And boys can't be girls.

[@stinkyfungus]

Could do so easily on a 32t chainring. Wish my MTB had a 9t cog to be honest. Damn thing spins out at around 23mph... My monstercross bike has a 42t chainring and an e13 9-50 on it... climbs like a mtn goat on crack, DOES NOT spin out on the slightest downhill. Nice.

[@adriancabrera3014]

I’ve used that cog several times every time I accelerate to attack

[@Bittersfamily0424]

Hated my e-13 11 speed cassette that came on my 2018 Capra. Two piece configuration creaked super bad no mater the grease I used.