EA70VTT Police Car, ASL/Bike Box infringement, Essex Police result; Course or Conditional Offer

Driver went straight in to bike box on a red light, then forgot to indicate until after making their manoeuvre to top it off. Really quite lazy driving. I would expect better driving standards from Essex Police officers.

[@retroonhisbikes]

Leading by example

[@michaelgaskell7408]

He should have been indicating while waiting for the lights to change,NOT,as the lights changed.

[@brookyf1]

So...yr within yr rights to pop round to the drivers door and ask what they doing in the bike box....dont be afraid of the police if they do wrong they should be told too...

[@robertovers1863]

yes he could have done that and the nice officers would have helped him to reach that itch up his back with his elbow

[@someguymatts]

Unbelievable how inconsistent the punishments are. Despite numerous reports like this, not a single action

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

You're not wrong, inconsistency is a big issue.

[@thomasreed49]

Don’t know what you’re on about there was no danger the police didn’t have to overtake the cyclist again which is another hazard can’t see anything wrong.

[@QiuEnnan]

@@thomasreed49 Overtaking a cycle isn't hazardous unless you do it wrong...

[@thomasreed49]

@@QiuEnnan But they were overtaken encounter traffic lights they take the front again then you have to overtake them again. We have them do this when there is a cycle path but for whatever mad reason they choose not to use it.

[@bestbehave]

@@thomasreed49cycle lane use is at the discretion of the rider - even if it wasn’t that doesn’t give you an excuse to drive in an antisocial manner.

[@seanwilson471]

Traffic law, rule 178. All motorists including motorcycles MUST stop at the 1st white line if the the lights are amber or red. Avoid blocking the advanced line at other times, not traffic law but not nice. This driver failed to stop at the 1st white line and i can see no reasonable excuse for it. Also he did not make his intentions to turn left by signaling untill after he moved off. If i was the cyclist and the car was signaling left while waiting at the lights and had left the box clear i would if been inclined to hold back anyway and allow it to turn. Very poor driving but well done to the cyclist in making it a non event and simply presenting the footage later.

[@Tailspin80]

It’s left turn only. Straight ahead is a bus lane. Indicators not necessary.

[@trs4u]

This seems like a good job all round. There's no need to go to arguments over it. They failed to drive properly, you reported it as facility is provided for you to, and they got their course-conditional and hopefully subsequently pay more attention to their driving. Ideally, it would have been other police that dobbed them in, but volunteers doing their work for them isn't a bad fallback? One day 'black boxes' in our own cars will be phoning us in for inadequate driving. Who are we going to blame then?

[@kev7916]

Wow ! What a major crime. Get over it 🤦

[@Demun1649]

Says someone too lazy to ever ride a bike, who has never been hit by a car, and doesn't ever keep up-to-date on changes to the Highway Code. Would you be so passive if they had just knicked you for repeating the major crime? A member of the privileged, selfish, self-appointed elite, a delusionalist.

[@bestbehave]

Wow what a Karen you are. Get over it.

[@bartonseagrave9605]

The Police are allowed to break the Law, ask a crooked Judge.

[@ianevans7065]

Is that it ???

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Yes.

[@iallso1]

Personally I didn't see anything wrong with what occurred here.

[@grahvis]

@@iallso1 . What you mean like not stopping at the stop line.

[@iallso1]

@@grahvis the lights are red, the police car stops, the cyclist has taken a position behind the car, the lights change, the car moves off, makes its left turn, the cyclist follows, no big deal.

[@yorkshirebikerbitsnbobs]

IKR 👍

[@richardoakley8800]

It should also be noted that if the light changing mean you can't stop for the first soli white line you must stop before the SECOND solid with line. Or officer had positioned his vehicle to observe a potential criminal act and therefore carrying out his lawful duties..so he or she would be excempt..and no keyboard warriors..they have to have their prity lights on to do this.

[@stevethomas2559]

The first line , not the box, should be regarded as the stop line. You should approach a traffic lights at a speed that enables you to stop before the line if the lights turn red. Would it be ok to be half a cars length over a normal (non box) stop line because you were traveling too fast?

[@ryanmitcham5522]

@@stevethomas2559 >You should approach a traffic lights at a speed that enables you to stop before the line if the lights turn red. I know i'm late to this but you need to think this through. The first line is the stop line. But the second one is as well. Take a junction without an ASL. When the light changes to amber, if you are far enough back to be able to stop safely before the line you must stop, if you cannot safely stop before the line, you may continue through on amber. Now in situation of a junction with an ASL, that creates an area where depending on the timing of the lights it's entirely possible that the light changes to amber at that awkward moment where it's not possible to stop before the first stop line, but you are able to stop before the second stop line. This doesn't have to be related to going too fast, if anything it happens far more in the reverse situation where you are travelling slowly, so when the light changes as you are already crossing the first line, you can easily stop before the second. The law in this situation requires you to stop before the second stop line. To continue would be an offence.

[@ryanmitcham5522]

>they have to have their prity lights on to do this. I maybe misunderstanding your comment, but for clarify, a police officer does NOT need to be operating emergency equipment to use their exemptions. This is because there are situations where they want to use their exemptions without tipping their hand, or or example in an unmarked vehicle where they don't yet want to reveal their presence. There may be individual force policy regarding this, but legally no emergency equipment needs to be activated for their exemptions to apply.

[@dalvirrana6564]

I would have challenged them straight away just for bike box .... they are not an example, they clearly are well above the law. Do as we say not as we do...

[@wessexdruid7598]

And then they'd just try to retaliate. Much better to phone the local nick and complain to their inspector.

[@rogerborg]

I've reported similar to ScotPlod's professional standards, with zero fucks given.

[@eckie4679]

These cycle boxes are not practical. They’re not like yellow crossed box junctions so if you proceed into them and some circumstance like an emergency vehicle appears and you subsequently miss your turn at the lights then you’re in theory committing an offence? And I’d like to see giving cyclists enough space reciprocated. They should have to give cars the same amount of space. The scrum that sometimes appears in front of me at a cycle box doesn’t allow me enough space. And it holds up traffic. Why can’t cyclists stay in line like the rest of us ?

[@alexandermaxwell2955]

Grow a spine and challenge them. Or dont complain

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Challenged through their own reporting channels, no need to bother anyone. If you want to engage directly, you go for it.

[@boydm5417]

​@@makecyclingsafeagain6575you don't engage because you're the cycling equivalent of a keyboard warrior.

[@kudosbudo]

​@@boydm5417why engage when there's nutters about? It's not worth it.

[@michaelfrancis7072]

When the police car stopped at the lights he should have stopped behind the cycle box, good spotting.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I am utterly sick of cars stopping in the cycle box. It forces cyclists out in front of them or squashed up between cars… there shpuld be cameras and ANPR…fine them as they have technically jumped the red light.

[@paganmonkey4439]

Probably just forgot easily done with so much crime these days lol.

[@barrypickles6546]

To be honest these box markings are being worn away and not being repainted, i think they are not going to bother with them next time. The money they have wasted on cycle lanes/paths that are empty for 99 percent of the time.

[@TheSeafordian]

Nothing happened.

[@jamesfoo8999]

I wish this was only the simple sort of pointless, irrelevant shit I had to worry about in life. Jees

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Pointless and irrelevant enough for you to watch and then take the time write a comment about. Well done.

[@yorkshirebikerbitsnbobs]

@James Foo 👍

[@MikeEves]

Definitely challenge these maggots who think they are above everyone else.

[@petemawby7353]

The standard of police driving is pretty poor tbf he shouldn't have blocked that box, but then ive had cop cars nearly run up my backend a couple of times. They're not good

[@kevinwilson598]

Isn't that a£100 fine for Joe bloggs

[@WayneTulip-zm9gw]

He should have stopped behind the first white line, he signalled right very late, he should of let the cyclist move off first.

[@eckie4679]

He should “of” let the cyclist move off first? What language is this 🤔

[@archangel6415]

If the police do this, then everyone can. if the police do it they will never prosecute anyone else who does.

[@raindog77]

I wouldve definitely have parked in front of them, l live near a Police station and regularly catch them cutting a corner where i live, i sit on my bike and wait for them to move, they know they're in the wrong, spot my camera and then go round me, so many of them do it

[@williamwilcock4326]

But didn’t have the balls to tell him?

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Because I have politely challenged this behaviour before and been met with foul-mouthed abuse and physical threats. Now, I most often let the police themselves handle it.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

He's technically gone through a red light.

[@MrClockworkbanana]

I see normal car van lorry driver, etc, getting done for this sort of thing on KZbin . Not seen a cop get done. Surprisingly 😅 🎉

[@philtucker1224]

I think the bike boxes are dangerous for cyclists anyway as it can put them in a very prone position if a grumpy car driver behind them decides they are trying to be obstructive. Most cyclists I’ve ever seen either drive straight through the red lights or up onto the pavement and down again on the other side anyway! 😂🤣

[@paulstreet1227]

Whats all the fuss about, there was plenty of room to cycle up the inside and jump the red light.

[@user-kx7tl5qi2u]

Just someone who loves to cause issues for themselves. I guarantee this cyclist is the type to drive into danger and then complain.

[@jaycearoo]

Naughty naughty naughty

[@kenmerry2729]

You will not make cycling safe until all cyclist read and follow the highway code

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Change that to drivers.

[@PP-cm4re]

It’s idiot car drivers that make cycling unsafe. I should be able to ride my bike to work without being flattened by some self entitled pr!ck who thinks I should move out the way just because he/she is driving a car and I’m not. Swear once people get a car they think they own the road.

[@utube7637]

More sovereign cops

[@boydm5417]

Don't argue with a cyclist they are like women. Always right

[@kudosbudo]

If there one constant in the world, it's that men crying about women arguing with them are almost always little spineless shits.

[@Bewar3them00n]

I would of cycled right in front of them

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

You're a braver man than I.

[@goodlord2378]

Aw,boo hoo. Poor picky cyclist

[@Godzzbinzz]

They can do what they want

[@jaycearoo]

Some lovely beautiful places in Essex.. where was this?

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Colchester.

[@jaycearoo]

@@makecyclingsafeagain6575 I didn't recognize it at all, Essex is ace, I'm from Essex myself but live up in the pennines Yorkshire now...I've got family there aswell... Wishing you all a safe journey anyhow...

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

@@jaycearoo lovely part of the world where you are. Appreciate the kind wishes!

[@clivemoore6510]

That's rich , a cyclist whinging about a car doing something wrong , no doubt cyclist is a 100% law abiding road user 😭😭😭

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

100% law abiding whether I'm driving, on the bus, on the train, cycling, running or walking. Hope you are likewise 👍

[@grahamreeve5209]

I take road craft seriously on my bike, motorcycle or car. In my car I often but not always see bad driving. I sometimes see bad cycling, and I'm often in Cambridge. On my bike, omg driving standards plummet around me.

[@bestbehave]

No doubt. But you’d expect the rozzers to be for sure

[@davemartin6319]

When 93% of car drivers exceed 20mph speed limits. The highest percentage of transgression of any law in this country!!

[@bestbehave]

@@davemartin6319 and an extraordinarily important and equally extraordinarily trivialised safety critical law too

[@djb4069]

One rule for us and one rule for them !!!!!!!!,

[@alexandermaxwell2955]

The law is not applicable to the police or so they believe!

[@zensempai7371]

They didn’t see it - don’t be unreasonable 🤣

[@kevincuthbert3058]

Try using that excuse on a yellow box junction.

[@peternewman3487]

Everyone makes mistakes. No harm done.

[@Coolcarting]

Hope he was done for driving in a bus lane too.

[@fetchstixRHD]

@@scottglossop: Was going to comment this - he'd almost certainly fit under the category of a vehicle allowed to use a bus lane.

[@michaelfrancis7072]

He was not in a Bus Lane, the Bus Lane starts over the junction at the bottom of the hill

[@anochmor]

@@michaelfrancis7072 -The bus lane is clearly from the mini roundabout to the traffic lights and has the solid wide white line between it and other lanes along its full length.

[@Ben-db5re]

Report it

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Done, driver was sent on an awareness course.

[@Ben-db5re]

@@makecyclingsafeagain6575 good, nice to know the police own up too

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

@@Ben-db5re I was a bit surprised!

[@sandy7m]

Poor observation. Police vehicle should have had indicators on to allow vehicles behind to take up better position ready for lights to change. Cyclist should not move to side of road at junction - should have moved back to place himself directly behind the vehicle in front in the middle of the lane after realising that cyclists' box was obstructed.

[@michaelfrancis7072]

The only way the police car could go was left, ahead was a bus lane which he could only use in an emergency and showing Blue lights.

[@timbassett2637]

The white lines are so faded on the road For once the police weren’t at fault

[@makecyclingsafeagain6575]

Yet, they sent their own driver on a driver improvement course.....

[@fetchstixRHD]

Mind you, faded stop lines really get on my nerves, but here they're pretty visible imo. There are plenty which look like they've been erased with only the anti-slip outlines remaining (or a new stop line will be painted on without the old one being removed) yet here I would think that they're very legible?

[@mikee9765]

@@makecyclingsafeagain6575 They might have TOLD you that!