Ear Training - Theory and Practice w/Dave Frank

[@cimmik]

Just for the structure. 6:57 Lennie's Ear Training System 17:19 Charlies Ear Training System 27:30 Dave's Inner Ear Line Method

[@lindokuhle2472]

Thank you

[@GarryBurgess]

One of those methods is also called the Allain Benbasset method, with the cadence first, and then the random note to name. The app called "Functional Ear Training" will hammer that into your head in an easy way, and after you guess, it resolves it to the tonic, but using the ascending or descending scale tones.

[@connor6842]

This by far the best ear training video I have seen on youtube. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge!

[@DaveFrank]

please enjoy a vivst to the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, there are currently 34 in-depth videos for you, all free)

[@sliverhandsonbasses]

Watching the scat part with subtitles is priceless! 👌🏿

[@DaveFrank]

hahaha)

[@pablinksksks]

Stefano knows better

[@billpiano]

Dave thanks for the video. I studied with Charlie for about 10 years. Like you mentioned he always pushed eartraining. One thing I'll add is when just starting out with recognizing a single note play the cadence then turn around and play a random note with the eraser end of a pencil so you can't tell what it is by seeing or feeling it. Doesn't work as well with more notes, hence the tapes. He also suggested doing it with another person. But I don't think many people could find a partner always available for the amount of time this requires. At one of my lessons a new kid came in for the first time. We were all talking. The new guy said he was going to practice 6 hours a day. Charlie told him to break the time up 3 hours ear training (or ear straining, Charlie was such a jokester) and 3 hours on the rest of the stuff. Hope this might someone. Bill

[@billpiano]

Also, there is an app for a PC that automates this exercise. I thing maybe one of Charlie's wrote it. It's called Functional Ear training app.

[@GlennMichaelThompson]

Thanks for these lessons and approaches to ear training. You were fortuitous enough to study with Lennie Tristano AND Charie Banacos!?! Amazingly solid background with mentors like that! Thanks for your other online lessons and related material from your website. Very generous of you to be sharing all of this great knowledge. Thanks again!

[@serthomas4103]

Dave, you are very inspiring person. I thought about playing jazz for about 20 years (being IT guy), and now started to learn jazz... You have very bright and clear impro, best what I found in internet - thank you for sharing such excellent skill.

[@DonYurik]

Some tunes for the Charlie´s method: Ther long and winding road for the minor 2nd, Beethovens 5th Symphony for the major 3rd, A little night music for the perfect 4th, Simpsons Theme for the flat 5th, Superman´s theme for perfect 5th, My way (or Days of Wine and Roses, or Chopin´s nocturne op 9 number 2) for the major 6th, and Superman´s theme again for the major 7th. Hope it helps :)

[@jazzman1945ify]

Hi, Dave! ! I remember that you have melodica. Take it into the hands - without a mouthpiece or corrugated tube, press any interval, without releasing the fingers on keys , and sing those notes directly into the tap hole of instrument (with narrowed mouth, so as not to lose the air) calling them aloud : for example: "Do - Mi -Do - Mi". The voice and melodica sound simultaneously; remains only adjust fine tuning the voice under the sound of instrument Experience shows that it can make a man with no ear for music.

[@genopierpoint8887]

Most informative stuff I've seen on KZbin so far.. Word..

[@DaveFrank]

Geno Pierpoint Pleasevisit the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com for 27 more in-depth classes on all sorts of cool topics. All free w/no commercials:)

[@vancelovett2339]

So happy to find your vids Dave! I hear music in my head all day and now I can more easily define it and get it down. So excited to practice these every day (even just listening over on the train is helpful). Thanks so much!

[@DaveFrank]

Hi Vance thanks for writing) Please enjoy any of 59 in-depth master classes all free at davefrankjazz.com. FYI I have a new online jazz school that meets live every Saturday on Zoom) Blessings and keep swingin!

[@arthursantiago100]

It’s funny. I heard someone else about 3 decades younger than I do the “ song - interval “ recognition method once. Didn’t know a single song he was talking about. Haha. Thanks for taking the tunes back a century. Anyway, got your joy of improv books. Love the inner ear method as it relates to certain musical lines. Helping a lot already... have been using it only a couple of months. Thank u !

[@DojoOfCool]

Thank you so much. Something another teacher told me was two short ET practice sessions per day is better than one long one.

[@mharbaugh]

I'm SO glad you mentioned the note you focus on as "popping out." I discovered this phenomenon a few years ago, and I didn't know if anybody else had that same experience, or if it was even worth pursuing. Thanks so much Dave, I owe you one!

[@edzielinski]

Thanks so much. Each technique is explained very lucidly both visually and verbally and the hands-on demonstrations are invaluable. Your instructional videos are some of the most useful and easiest to follow, around, even though they are jam packed with good information.

[@vecernicek2]

Dave, you're a blessing. I have say 15 years experience as an amateur jazz musician and I know maybe 70% of the stuff you teach, but you do a fantastic job in putting it together, which makes all the difference. Please keep doing what you're doing.

[@jacktuffery9930]

I cannot believe this video has only 2k views. The most helpful video on ear training that I've found. Thanks.

[@DaveFrank]

It has 177,000 views haha, 2k likes)

[@jacktuffery9930]

Haha, embarrassing on my part! Gonna chalk it up to late night KZbin watching.

[@b00rak]

Lennie's system helped me almost instantly. I had a big problem distinguishing between P4 and P5 harmonicaly and now the problem is gone. Thanks a lot.

[@SNCDeeDee]

dear mr dave , i truly admire what you are doing , in your honest and relaxed ways . and for free ! you have claimed many hours of my life to practice on the concepts you talk about in your 21 videos . some of this stuff is pretty new to me , some other concepts where floating in my head and you made them unfloat :) . respect !

[@DaveFrank]

where are you located? Thanks for writing, you may enjoy the master class and music video archive at www.davefrankjazz.com..new class coming..

[@SNCDeeDee]

sint-niklaas , east-flanders - belgium

[@ignobooboo]

Dave, this is the best lesson I have ever had, and I have had a lot. My friend Mark Marquis also studied with Charlie. I tried to upload a vid of him playing some outside stuff, but I don't quite understand yet how to upload a video, so I sent it to your website. I have this other friend that studies with Banacos and Charlie told him to write a solo over How High The Moon. John said "OK easy enough" Then Charlie said. "Away from your piano" At first it took him a week. A year later only an hour

[@christianromero4752]

let me just say that you are the best teacher I have ever had, thank you for making these videos!!

[@DaveFrank]

wow you gotta get out more hahahaha) Please enjoy the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, currently 33 free in-depth classes just for you!

[@christianromero4752]

You're the best cause you don't mind repeating it over and over and over and over and over... lol

[@DaveFrank]

haha

[@hebron6296]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! you're a great teacher a great piano player and a great person :D thank you for sharing your knowledge. greatings from Mexico.

[@je644]

Thanks mr.Dave..I've learned a lot from this video..first the 3 kinds of pitches and their differences and then the 3 systems to develop my ears...pls. keep it up, maestro!

[@christianhower8059]

I am indeed "expanding my brain capacity in an unexpected way". Thank you for sharing this!

[@DaveFrank]

Thank you, commenters) . I’m happy to invite you to enjoy any of 21 in-depth master classes on youtube and Ustream . These include Bill Evans, Dave McKenna, Charles Ives, a walking bassline master class, an ear training clinic, playing outside the changes clinic, Frank Zappa, Charlie Parker, Eric Dolphy, the Marx Bros, Bruce Hornsby, the Grateful Dead, Lennie Tristano, Dick Hyman, Eric Dolphy, Oscar Peterson, Liberace, and others.

[@PaulCharlesGriffin]

Thanks, Dave! Excellent video! I particularly like the letter at the end. And I like picking my own songs with memorable opening intervals (like Here Comes the Bride for the major 4th)!

[@javieramondacamacpherson2857]

Thank you so much for sharing these amazing exercises. The letter you read at the end was very sad but incredibly inspiring. Thanks!!

[@ejo3571]

Great. hope to make it..I'll keep on working that inner ear. Thanks.

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thank you, Davr🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@facundoestrada7026]

Thank you very much, this video helps me a lot, since I'm not able to play for music lessons for the moment.

[@DaveFrank]

thank you for writing, please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com for 53 in-depth jazz master classes, all free for you) Blessings from NYC!

[@RetroLPGames]

Thank you so so much! I've been playing the piano for 13 years but it wasn't until 3 years ago, that I knew what a chord is or that I was able to play anything without a note sheet. I slowly started improvising and am now able to play pop songs with the classic four chords and so on. But what I'm really looking forward to is jazz and blues. So I'm going to start today using these methods because this is the first time, I hear of a method that seems to make sense! So again: Thanks a lot :) P.S.: 19 and I know the Star Trek theme ;) Though being from Germany, I've never heard the NBC tune before :D

[@DaveFrank]

+RetroLPGames please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, there are 31 in-depth master classes to help you with your jazz playing free)

[@UnitedEffect]

Great lessons. Thanks for sharing them!

[@waylander24]

The best lesson I've had on on ear training. Thanks!

[@alextpf]

thank you sir for sharing this great lesson

[@manguera9]

the great flamenco fusion guitar player Paco de Lucia played by ear , and improvized by ear ,he played with John Mc Laughing and John's charts chord music are very heavy, and Paco did it, Paco began to doing gigs at the age of 12 yr old , practice 8 hours a day , people passing by his windows thought that he was playing a record.

[@thecatboss123]

Das it mane, I'm sure with your videos and daily practice I'll be 1000 times better than I could ever learn by myself. Being honest, as a guitar player from your neighbour country México, here in all my years of practicing and studying there has never been a decent teacher I could reach, the good ones always say "I have to many students" and the others don't know this sort of thing. Most books I found online had alot of useless stuffing. The other "issue" is that most only teach classical guitar and I'm all about the blues/jazz/rock. I truly want to become a good musician and it may not mean much but really, thanks for getting me back in track to learning more than just replicating songs after endless hours of self-induced chimpanzee style training.

[@DaveFrank]

thanks for writing amigo! There are lots of good jazz guitar teachers teaching on skype these days, perhaps that might be useful for you)

[@marisolombra]

Infinitely thankful for your help!! Now I have an alternative to my learning by trial and error.

[@DaveFrank]

this actually becomes fun after an initial period of torture)

[@AdamOuissellat]

Recalled Pitch as you like to call it is just a lower level of Perfect Pitch. You can hear the pitch "colours" or "flavours" but only with a sound you are used to. If you listen enough to another instrument in the correct way you can drive deeper than the timbre of the instrument and hear the subtleties between the pitches. Perfect Pitch has many degrees and levels. If you've ever met multiple people with the ability you'll know that some are far better than others. Some can tell the pitch of your voice, or a bird, while others can only tell pitches apart within the range of regular music (not lower of higher than a piano and only musical tones). Some can tell you the notes in a 6 part chord, others can do clusters (like chords with lots of 2nds in e.g C#, D, E, F, F#, G#, A). It can all be learned within a few months or years (depending on your circumstances) but you have to understand the ability first, and then know the right way to listen. I highly recommend everyone to check out David Lucas Burge. His course has changed the way I hear forever. Good videos by the way.

[@DaveFrank]

thanks, keep swingin!

[@richardj.rustleshyman2026]

AdamOuissellat have you gained perfect pitch from his program?

[@MrVinnyVp]

Thank you Dave, Charlie and Lennie.

[@Bookssful]

I am going to use this very method, I need to develop my ears. thanks!!!!

[@cedricbourgeois5134]

what u play at the begin is wonderful

[@Gruszyn90]

This channel is so dope.

[@DaveFrank]

thanks for writing, please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at davefrankjazz.com for 47 in-depth classes, all free)

[@itorres008]

The ear training method I always used was remembering song beginnings. I've really only practiced that, and the logical progression to identify harmonic intervals (notes played together). As you showed the method I noticed pitches separately as I never had. I never really had seriously tried it. I'll work on that. Thanks. Trivia regarding electronic equipment buzzing, I believe the pitches heard are overtones of a 60 Hz pitch, the cycle of alternating current - midway between Bb and B. :-)

[@jojomusic8532]

This is so Great! You're such a teatcher Dave!! Really inspirational

[@DaveFrank]

Thanks for writing) You may enjoy a visit to my master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, 27 in-depth master classes free for thee)

[@magnificentelectromagnetic7417]

this is a great help, thank you and keep up the good work!

[@ellekay3026]

Amazing! I'm doing A2 music and this will really help - Thanks!

[@dmorti]

Thank you so much --- your videos are just amazing. So generous, clear and thoughtful! They make me want to become a music teacher. :)

[@Hexspa]

Been using that first method - thanks.

[@euliskay]

Awesome! Thank you so much for sharing!

[@Riedel777]

Txs Dave! Great work! The blue danube waltz is also good for a perfect 1 at the beginning. In the book of John Novello i found a workable training method for me, working with the back of a pencil, instead of the finger. Perhaps interesting to you too.

[@DaveFrank]

yes, it's ok to focus on a few if you like for awhile

[@RoseWarrenMusic]

You are so cute as a teacher!!!!! and this is sooo beneficial !!!! Thank you so much !!!!!!!!! I am a fingerstyle guitarist from Taiwan, Taipei :D And I have been practicing many methods as well , and your sharing is sooooo valuable !!!! God bless you !!!!!

[@DaveFrank]

Hi Rose, nice to meet you) Please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, there are currently 38 in-depth classes, all free) Blessings from NYC!

[@RoseWarrenMusic]

Dave Frank thank you !!!!!!

[@gonza666]

Thank you for this awesome lesson!

[@jazzman1945ify]

Thank You so much, Dave! We are waiting for more secrets of ear development !

[@MamieFarish]

Thank you! I'll gives these ideas a try...

[@francescoscopellitidrums]

This is a gem! Thanks Dave! Francesco.

[@ChevonneReynolds]

This is pure AWESOMENESS sir!!!

[@afbdreds]

Great Class

[@DaveFrank]

please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com for 45 in-depth jazz master classes, all free)

[@briancraig388]

I was wondering how long do you need to practice this daily? God Bless great stuff : )

[@PIANOSTYLE100]

Frank this excellent..excelente.. I am using the functional ear method. Great app.. I do some videos without app. I really like your choices NBC theme.etc.

[@Abbaddonna]

thank you very much, sir, for the great lesson!

[@tomcurzon5186]

Dave thank you so much for your excellent lessons. I love every single one. While I am not quite ready to use the 15 elements, I nearly am, but have trouble constructing the bop lines so that they resolve on the strong beats - I would be so grateful for any advice on how to practice this and also some breakdown of your brilliant lines! all the best from London. Tom

[@flaviopaiva4664]

Very, very, very good.Thanks

[@DaveFrank]

no, hold each interval for 4-6 seconds, then go chromatically to the next interval, hold for 6 seconds or so, etc..total time 15-30 min

[@vineet5678]

great video and teacher thanks

[@Siralantoon]

Dave you are some kind of a musician. I love your Masterclasses. Cool shit man!

[@DaveFrank]

Hi Alan, thanks for writing) There are 34 master classes all free at www.davefrankjazz.com)

[@Siralantoon]

How cool is that. I'm watching you do your Oscar Peterson Masterclass, while you are messaging me! Beautiful.

[@DaveFrank]

haha keep swingin amigo)

[@MindDoctorsMakeAcid]

Cheers Dave, great class.

[@briancraig388]

Dave ok I am been working in C2 of the keyboard in GarageBand since that where my voice is at a comfortable start range at this time so far I am just up to hear not too far but plan to work on this over the weekend before finishing to the end of this first octave I am a 5th interval up from my starting note in C2 sum this up by hitting two notes at the same time C C# minor 2nd C D. Major 2nd C Eb.minor 3rd C F. P4 C F# Aug. P4 C G. P5 If this is not correct way of writing out whe

[@alexc2259]

Great lesson.

[@briancraig388]

Ok Dave forgive me for the bunch of question I am not new at ear training or music but I am new to this approach never herd of it until now

[@tsz-hong7575]

Thank you Sir Dave!

[@DaveFrank]

Thanks for writing please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at davefrankjazz.com for 53 in-depth master classes, all free)

[@ferneastcott9329]

happy new year to you too! Seriously these excercises could benefit those with hearing issues, or better distinguish folks with issues of comprehension, attention etc... vs folks with hearing 'blind spots' Interesting comment about hospital sounds, at least these days the barrage of our instruments and gadgets are tuned and programmed appropriately (equal temperament)? This was not the case 25 years ago.... good or bad I am not sure. I really liked the old phones as a kid with a real bell

[@cimmik]

Why haven't I heard about any of these techniques before. I have been wondering incredible much how I could train my ear, in an as effective way as possible.

[@rafapintor7722]

Estos videos son geniales, para cuando subtitulados en español? un saludo y felicitaciones

[@itorres008]

I believe the further apart the notes are, the easier it is, So perhaps you can start from the octave which would be easier, down to the minor second?

[@BobMazzo]

very helpful, thank you Mr Frank.

[@ghostring1]

Thanks Dave.

[@marcuspiscaer4120]

The problem is that for it to be real time, you should NEVER use melodic songs to remember as the lag is WAY too long to tap into your inner ear instantly. It breaks the flow you speak of and becomes a habit that is very hard to unlearn. Bruce Arnold, also a student of Bonacos, mentions this. The second method should be called scale degree ear training and not interval training. It is extremely powerful.

[@DaveFrank]

ok I'll stop today.

[@marcuspiscaer4120]

Kidding aside, because thinking of a song is a crutch that will give you the right answer (but takes too long to be practical in real life musical situations), the ego will want to hold onto this crutch. Answering instantly to develop a practical reflex will mean more wrong answers and the ego will resist. I had to unlearn this crutch and it was the hardest thing about this ear training. Had I never had those crutches, it would have taken me far less time I am sure. But again, because unlearning these melodic crutches confronts you with your ego, honestly it made me a better person, as exaggerated as it may sound. But now - after years of work - I can instantly recognize scale degrees in real time (in my minds eye I see notes move on a chromatic line) and it is the most important tool I have as a musician. Thanks

[@DaveFrank]

Thanks for sharing.

[@marcuspiscaer4120]

LIkewise! I am also curious about your thoughts on whether or not music theory is outdated (crazy I know). What I mean to say is that the C major scale and the layout of the piano should perhaps no longer be the focal point by which all theory is structured. Would you not agree that the most honest and simple way to structure music is chromatically - and that there should be 12 notes instead of 7, 12 scale degrees numbered 1-12? To place the major scale above all other scales is not honouring the fact that music is art, and as art all scales and notes should be of equal importance because it's subjective. Just because we in the west favoured the major scale does not mean that it is more important than a Altered Phrygian that may be preferred in other parts of the word. As such, this bias should have nothing to do with understanding how music is inherently structured. It my mind this has always been a distortion, and to be honest has kept me away from doing any formal music training. Am I crazy to suggest this? lol Thanks!

[@marcuspiscaer4120]

And along with the major scale, the layout of the piano is also ergonomic. A chromatically layed out piano would be very hard to play. I know the founders of western music theory were sitting in front of keyboards mainly. I know you are a great pianist, but don't you find it silly that the ergenomics of one instrument should influence how most people think about music?

[@tallulah2]

Really loved this--thank you!

[@DaveFrank]

Thanks Tallulah, you may enjoy a visit to a new master class and video archive at www.davefrankjazz.com. 24 in-depth classes like this one all free for thee)

[@courtneywinfield1947]

Thanks a lot for this. I love ear training. You definitely dont listen to music in the same way once you start it. I realised that my fan hums a c natural, now when I try to sleep with it on I end up harmonising with it in my head instead of sleeping :) anyway, subscribed and will check out your other vids for sure!

[@giobattaable]

YOU ARE MY BEST TEACHER

[@UnfortunateLifeEvents]

It takes consistency to see true results from this type of ear training.

[@DaveFrank]

+aroldka definately.

[@harrissimo]

Thank you. I love your videos. I have become a much better player thanks to you.

[@DaveFrank]

+harrissimo That's Great! Please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, there are now 32 videos, all free for thee)

[@PerfectPitchForAdults]

The 3-note chords in the first system will be much easier to handle if they are played in a wide/spread position.

[@zmerz]

Fantastic!!!SUPER VIDEO!!!!Thank you!

[@DaveFrank]

Thanks for writing) Please enjoy a visit to the master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, there are currently 35 in-depth videos, all phree)

[@manguera9]

Gary burton(vibe) said that Stan Getz used to improvized by ear , without looking the sheet music, another testimony Herbie Hancock in his first gigs with Miles Davis , he said " i was playing a 8 bar vamp to let Miles improvize suddenly i play a wrong chord , and Miles improvized over the wrong chord" thats the power of ear training.

[@DaveFrank]

nice thanks

[@nitrowheelsmusic]

Thank you so much! Cheers

[@Lazerlee]

Thank You Very Much

[@WhiteMaskPianist]

Thank you so much :)

[@DaveFrank]

$2

[@Maximissesable]

Fantastic! Thanks.

[@rubenross3550]

Thank you Dave!

[@DaveFrank]

you are welcome)

[@Rosannasfriend]

Can you please make more ear training videos? Thanks.

[@ryanedwardmusic]

Yes, absolutely.

[@DaveFrank]

No, I have "recalled pitch" - I can tell the notes someone is playing on the piano from across the room, but I can't tell the notes if played on any instrument except the piano...weird..

[@HenricSvensson]

if i listen to music i understand i can tell the key, but if i listen to a tape and you speed it up/down i'm lost....

[@HenricSvensson]

if i listen to music i understand i can tell the key, but if i listen to a tape and you speed it up/down i'm lost....

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

Dave Frank I have the same thing on my primary instrument, tenor saxophone. I can't do it on either alto sax or piano, my secondary instrument. Weird as well. There's another name for it......

[@gracemusic7474]

Dave Frank Hey Dave, I studied guitar with Billy Bauer for 25 years, and this was exactly the way he had us develop good hearing. He used to have us play our instruments without having our instruments in our hands. Thanks. Keys,keys,keys! "Keep swinging". Suzanne

[@cliffworks748]

+Grace Musick Cool, must have been great studies! How lucky. I studied with Barney Kessel & perfect-pitched Tommy Gumina who owned Polytone Amps - he dislike overtones created by most amps so created Polytone to emphasize fundamentals.

[@erhanmusician]

Thank you very much!

[@dougnickerson]

Thanks . I'm a gonna try some the ideas you recommend , im particularly Interested in these type of exercises , ive played guitar for 45 years - hv certain type of interval recognition , but it comes and goes , weird , I keep workin' - by way I love your video on piano bass lines - great presentation , other peeps were not able to 'splain it in a way I could put into prctc thanks . . I play som piano too

[@DaveFrank]

+Doug Nickerson all cool, tx for writin'..please enjoy a visit to master class archive at www.davefrankjazz.com, there are 31 classes for ewe, all phree)

[@lucillerains3877]

You don't have to be at an instrument to train your ear. Or should I say that your Ear Training doesn't stop because you're not at your instrument. The world is full of sounds to analyze. Start with car horns. You start to hear that Volkeswagons and panel trucks have a single tone, compact cars are a minor or major third, and very expensive large cars are usually a very out of tune triad. Train whistles are usually a flatted fifth. And so forth.

[@jcsguitar2506]

Thank you!

[@tychopoupeye7730]

Great video

[@briancraig388]

Ok I am working on this week C2 to C3 now Dave comforta