Early Muslim Postion on The Satanic Verses?

[@RobChristian]

TIMESTAMPS: 🕒 You can use the following Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro: Satanic Verses 0:24 - Ibn Hajar's Position 0:29 - Ibn Taymiyyah's Position 0:39 - Ali Ataie & Paul Williams 2:20 - Shabir Aly 4:00 - Sheikh Uthman ibn Farooq 4:14 - Farid Responds 4:33 - Book 1: Authentic Source 5:47 - Book 2: Authentic Source 6:18 - Book 3: 2x Authentic Sources

[@stlouisix3]

Mahometāns deny ❎ their entire religion to defend it, or they deny ❎ at least 99% of it. Their irrationality is funnier than the fable of the frog🐸🐸 carrying the scorpion 🦂, for free, upon its back across the river😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅-and sadder😢 for they are not heading towards the bottom of the river with their silly Saracen stings but rather towards the bottom of the Lake of Fire 🔥 📛 🔥

[@Kaleb.the12spies]

Authentic Source, and Authentic Source and .. Authentic Source. so if not accept ibn Tamiyyahs it must be.. accept ibn MAFIA

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

​@@Kaleb.the12spiesrob have you a links of that books? I think you can even sent link of exact page ?

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

Hey Rob, have you links of that Books , i think you can even sent a link of exact page of the book? I can do it with Reliance of the Traveler so i think you can with that books, because it's online books?

[@kevinrozema9390]

​@@koenboomsma92you was angry on rob christian its not authentic

[@katarmorrocian]

rob christian is the best debunker of islam

[@taesimuhammadatallah4453]

NOBODY BEATS ROB. STAY AWAY FROM SEXLAM

[@Orthodox_MKD]

The funniest thing to me are Muslims when they say {peace be upon him}, and that is not the work of Islam either That's what the Lord Jesus Christ said (PEACE BE WITH YOU)

[@memelord-a1]

Amen 🙌🏻

[@Ryan_Nath]

Christian Prince said even 'As-salamu alaykum' is stolen from Christianity,

[@HuHWhatOk]

​@babylon-will-fall because back in the days they said Shalom which Muhammad changed to SA

[@FromValkyrie]

​@@HuHWhatOkthe still say shalom till this day. Without Judeo-christianity, Islam would be non-existent.

[@Savi3_1]

And they have the audacity to say they aren't worshipping a stone.

[@Allah-Goat99]

They had the audacity to even say that we are polytheist lol

[@BR-KK]

Mohammed and “Allah” - partners.

[@Savi3_1]

@@koenboomsma92 Mohammed was also a Pedophile and an Adulterer.

[@Savi3_1]

@@koenboomsma92 Muhammad forbade the second glance in Hadith. Second glance is adultery. One day he saw zainab almost naked. She was his daughter in law. Muhammad flirted with her . He then caused their divorce . The screwed her. Muhammad not only made the second glance but also screwed her. Adulterous profit.

[@BR-KK]

@@koenboomsma92 Sure. Whatever you say.

[@solascriptura1536]

Clear evidence that Muhammad was STILL worshipping idols AFTER he received his supposed revelation. Surah 74:5 also proves Muhammad was still an idol worshipper. According to Muhammad a real prophet cannot be led or controlled by Satan, yet Muhammad was bewitched and controlled by Satan. Hmmmmm..

[@Giorgi755]

Jesus is God Proverbs 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, If you know? John 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

[@juddgranger7457]

Its a book of lies. Not a word of truth

[@gotellthatfoxapologetics]

Of course Allah always makes an exception for Muhammad because Allah is Muhammad

[@muhammedallah386]

Islam has always been in trouble. Thanks to its sword it survived this long. But it will wean away and gk back to its infancy all thanks to technology.

[@adrine5193]

BABY AISHA BABY AISHA WHERE ARE YOU HERE MOHAMMS HERE MOHAMMS HOW DO YOU DO

[@jesustv1079]

8 years allah wait to correct the satanic verses? mashala....

[@starfire6973]

Allah is slow apparently 😂😂😂

[@shaytanisislam5056]

Paul Williams says there is another way to look at that Angel gabriel intervened and sorted these out, not allah. Is gabriel allah now.

[@lindaclark6148]

What makes me laugh is the verses are STILL THERE! If Allah threw them out, WHY do we EVEN KNOW about them? Because ALLAH IS THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION!

[@GODCHOSEISRAEL70]

Lord christ jesus is king forever

[@mikeyf4018]

I want to ask a question and want a true answer ! What God would ask you to Murder Slaughter or Kill another human ? Evil is the work of the Devil .

[@HG-zm2dx]

Quran, Surah An-Najm 19. Have you then seen Al-Lat and Al- Uzza 20. And the third one, Manât, as well? 21. These are the exalted Gharanig whose intercession is approved.

[@Karmel8503]

Oh this is good brother Rob! Bless you abundantly for all your time, truths and also all the fruits you share for the salvation of humanity. Exposing the lies, we pray will make issslam die! Messiah Yeshua is Adonai Elohim, He is Lord ✝️

[@Tell_It_Right]

1Samuel 3:19-20 says, "The Lord [YHWH] was with Samuel as he grew up, and he [YHWH] let none of Samuel’s words fall to the ground. And all Israel from Dan to Beersheba recognized that Samuel was attested as a prophet of the Lord [YHWH]." Now that is a true prophet. Everything Samuel spoke in the name of God, was 100% true and correct. Muhammad told a lie of the Devil to the people, and God allowed it because Muhammad was false. Therefore, when Muslims claim that Gabriel came to Muhammad to correct his error, it does NOT prove Muhammad was actually a true prophet. It actually proves Muhammad was NOT a true prophet because God let Muhammad's words fall to the ground. Case closed, end of Muhammad's prophethood, period.

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

These bloodthirsty vampires stabbed him for quoting their books. They traumatized him all his life

[@MuhammadNawaz-xw2fu]

BROTHERS PLEASE ALSO START IN HINDI AND URDU LANGUAGES

[@nunyabeeswax9463]

Why did every Kibla in every mosque point to Petra Jordan the first hundred years after Mouhamed death? What's the function of the mid mosque?

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

All my Muslims friends I shared videos with have stopped talking to me😂😂😂

[@memelord-a1]

Same here 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Christangel342]

They will see you as the bad guy for telling them the truth

[@morgansullivan3916]

Its not thaat easy to see the truth, when you re born into it, and got told only the chokolate side

[@redmamba4695]

😂😂😂 bruh

[@iknew8082]

I was friend with a muslim girl for about 2yrs and one time i share an exmuslim women recite a wuran verse because one muslim guy didn’t believe her. After that my friend who is a kuslim unfollow me😂

[@guillermodeleon3547]

Peace of Christ to you and your family Rob ✝️

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

RC and other Christ's warriors you are brave, I can't even play your videos in public because I don't want to be killed.

[@memelord-a1]

Let's change the scenario. Let us all get together and become strong physically and socially too

[@wouter5369]

I Never get bored at Robchristian's teaching. Thank Rob for all the work and effort you do!

[@wouter5369]

@@koenboomsma92 bewijs het tegendeel maar Mr Rob laat de resources zien allemaal Sahih

[@kenid4144]

Tell you lies to Ali Atae, Paul Williams and Ibn Taymiyah

[@kenid4144]

@@koenboomsma92 Then Ibn Taymiyyah was a liar.

[@kenid4144]

@@koenboomsma92 How dare you insult Ibn Taymiyyah! In all your lifetime you will NEVER know half of what he knew, yet you have the boldness to suggest he was ignorant about the Satanic verses. How dare you!

[@wouter5369]

@koenboomsma92 ibn taymiyyah one of the prominent scholars in the 13th century gets corrected by a youtuber Muslim warrior 😳 with MAYBY .... 😂

[@CalebWorkuOfficial]

Rob thanks so much I always wonder why modern Muslims follow imam Albania rejecting the satanic verses when earlier scholars like ibn hajar and ibn taymiyah accepted the story as true.

[@RVMTube]

The problems we see in the west today is due to relativism. The centuries old religious conflicts because of islam is because it is a gnostic legal system based on relativism... it takes people a while to notice this because it is deceptively wrapped up in religious elements.

[@deepakrebentisch9173]

islam spread by sword but will die by internet

[@Closminding]

There is some truth in this, but unfortunately they won't go down without extreme viooence as we are witnessing at the moment.

[@timchapman5553]

So receiving inspiration from Satan is confirmation of prophethood wow so that’s how that works only in backwards world

[@kenid4144]

You mean Paul Williams realized he's stuck in a hole, but hw can't stop digging?

[@timchapman5553]

@@kenid4144 i guess I don’t know what besides Islam would make a person think that way

[@samsam-nx8gq]

Allah iş a slow thinker took him 8 years to abrogate the satanic verses lol

[@dBibleClub]

Without lies islam dies

[@MoeMoe-ht7hm]

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[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

Thanks for posting. I'm definitely saving this in my S.V. playlist. This is one of the biggest problems for Islam.

[@Tell_It_Right]

I agree: Out of all the major problems of Islam, the Quran, Hadith, etc. ( and there are many major problems), the fact that Muhammad falsely testified in the name of the Most High God of the heavens and earth, proves Muhammad was a false prophet. That is the final nail in his coffin of prophethood. The Scriptures are clear: If a person makes 1 single false claim in the name of God, he is immediately disqualified as a prophet. Therefore, no one is required to listen to that person, period. One of my favorite Scriptures is found in 1st Samuel where it says "Not one word [of Samuel the Prophet] ever fell to the ground"( 1Samuel 3:19). That means, whatever Samuel said in the name of God came true. Now that is a sign of a true Prophet.

[@avalancheofapostasy4916]

Yesterday a muslim tried to debate with me that Paul was a prophet...lol. It didn't matter what I said he continued with his claim. Brainwashed beyond any kind of proof.@@Tell_It_Right

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

​@@koenboomsma92Unauthentic sources like the Quran? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ZenoJohnSABAHAN]

Bro, I just realised. Every mosque has the moon and stars on their roofs. Why do all mosques have the moon and stars? I just want to ask 😃

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

@ZenoJohnSABAHAN Coins and other artifacts dug up from around the Arabian peninsula prove that little to nothing originated in Islam. The crescent moon and star, those symbols predate the founding of Islam by centuries. The most prevalent example involves the ancient city of Byzantium, which later became known as Constantinople and Istanbul. According to the stories, the rulers of Byzantium had adopted the crescent moon as the symbol of the city. The name Allah was also used by the pagans from around the Arabian peninsula. This is also proven by coins that have been discovered from that region centuries before Muhammad. Even their most sacred city was named after the moon god al-maqqah. (Makkah)

[@Olga____]

Чис 6:24-26: "да благословит тебя Господь и сохранит тебя! да призрит на тебя Господь светлым лицем Своим и помилует тебя! да обратит Господь лице Свое на тебя и даст тебе мир!"

[@yajujmajuj1739]

Moped, profet of shaitan 😂

[@built4speed101]

God bless you, Brotha Rob Christian and your family!! ✝️🙏

[@RVMTube]

Islam, "We have oral tradition that is written down perfectly! Perfectly explained!" Non muhammedan, "Yeah... there are problems in all your sources on that topic." Islam, "Bring me one authentic islamic source that says that!! Just one!" Non muhammedan, "Here are 5." Islam, "That is not not authentic!" Non muhammedan, "Look, it says it is sahih. And all these great islamic scholars agree." Islam, "I reject it! Quran only." Non muhammedan, "Look, here in the quran..." Islam, "You can't read it, only in arabic." Non muhammedan, "I can read and speak arabic." Islam, "But you are not scholar! You need interpretation!" .... this is known as The Muslim dance. You slip to the side and you slide to the right. A sprinkle of deception and little lies.

[@RobChristian]

🤣👌

[@onlylove556]

Alhamduli-Jesus💯📿🌹

[@KarunanithiNRamachandran]

So how much of the Quran is corrupted , how much did they delete and how much was later added on . We all know that when all manuscripts of the Muhammad's messages were edited years after his death that the scholars burnt all existence of manuscripts that were not included so that everyone will follow one accepted book .

[@Closminding]

Muhammad didn't dictate any of the Quoran. It was all compiled (and made up) after the alleged date of his death (by poison). Probably starting atleast 60 years after that 'death'. The Quoran is a complete fiction but this is only coming to light now and will take time to unravel.

[@Zion.prince]

I see probably for the Muhammedain 😂😂😂

[@IslamicPropaganda]

Thank You for exposing Islam You are Amazing God Bless You Rob Christian😊🥰

[@kenid4144]

Uthman caught Fibbin again. Oh boy!😂

[@scrunchy7528]

"Thats ibn Taymiyyah's position and its a respectful position" - Paul Williams Guest ME: Oh really?

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

Also, Ali Altaie’s points regarding when the verses where abrogated is completely bogus, for according to Islamic traditions, each Ayah in a Surah is arranged based upon Muhammad’s own personal whims, it does not necessarily follow a chronology.

[@j.mtherandomguy8701]

Finally, how does Ali Ataie even address Surah 22:52 then? Either he accepts that there was an incident in which Muhammad accidentally revealed something that is from Satan or he rejects it and hence asserts that Muhammad was more than just a prophet and hence going directly against the Quran.

[@BillyMandalay]

Shabir Ali never seems to commit himself to anything.

[@Teoman.32]

Rob can you open a forum for these sources or write in answeringislam please?

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

When the Lord Jesus was attacked by Satan then Satan was rebuked and he fled. We’re commanded to submit to God and resist the devil in Jesus name and Satan will flee. All authority in heaven and earth belongs to the Lord Jesus. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ will be forevermore forgiven and saved with eternal life with Jesus forevermore

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

We don’t need to defend the Lord Jesus Christ as he is well able to defend himself because he is still alive in Paradise having successfully accomplished his mission as the lamb sacrifice for the sins of the world Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ will be forevermore forgiven and saved with eternal life with the lord Jesus Christ forevermore

[@YESHUAisMessiah]

Discovered RC's channel a week ago and am really honoured and thankful to God for heroes like RC, CP, DW and others for defending the faith. God bless you all always.🙏💯♥️✝️✝️✝️

[@isaiahfiftythree5334]

Aah...I remember Salman Rushdie and his book 😊

[@dollahmusa6705]

Gud explanation, let the muslims around the globe hear this, and understans the satanic verses

[@jazzygebreel.9221]

😍😍🤣😍😍🤣🤣🤣😍

[@SpontaneousDelphi]

I have no doubt that the being calling himself Gabriel appeared to Muhammad. That he in fact did dictate the Quran to Muhammad. The problem starts there according to the Surah Bukhari this being beat Muhammad so bad he wanted to commit suicide. Yet Allah loves his own, especially his prophets according to all the Imams. So their attempt at trying to explain the actions of this demon claiming to be an angel is the lamest you will ever hear. There are sections of the Quran that make very little rational sense. Those who become demon possessed from reading the Quran (and there are many ) say they get the most power from reading these parts of the Quran. So this Demon hi jacked the worship of Allah(God) and now those who follow the Quran think they are worshipping Allah but are in fact worshipping the demon calling himself Gabriel.

[@HuHWhatOk]

Explains when I as a Christian opened the Quran and kept it in my home the first time demons started coming into my home they would throw things pound on things and strangle me

[@GODBLESSYOU532]

Gbu RC🙏

[@eaglesnipper6532]

When we have HUMAN GOATS...for sure THE WORD. ..THE,TRUTH GETS TWISTED AROUND...

[@lukesusilo2112]

What authentic hadith/sirah nowadays is what they like to hear. and then they said it's unclear who wrote the bible.

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

Admin please permit this 18 minute discussion on Surah 10:16 between myself (a Christian) and a Muslim from Bracknell Islamic Centre in the south of England: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opvPqnaYrp2Mb8U

[@mynameis......23]

3:40

[@BR-KK]

Surah Al Ahzab 53 O you who believe, do not enter the houses of the Prophet, unless you are permitted for a meal, not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, go inside. Then, once you have had the meal, just disperse, and (do) not (sit for long) being keen for a chat. This (conduct of yours) hurts the Prophet, but he feels shy of (telling) you (about it), but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask any thing from them (the blessed wives of the Prophet), ask them from behind a curtain. That is better for the purity of your hearts and their hearts. It is not allowed for you that you hurt Allah’s Messenger, nor that you ever marry his wives after him. Indeed, it would be an enormity in the sight of Allah. Awww..Mohammed is too shy. Not too shy to raid caravans and take sex slaves, but cannot tell his guests to leave after having dinner (having sex every night with his 13 wifes does take time, I imagine), so Allah speaks up for him. What a pal! The creator of the universe speaks for you. The applicability of these instructions to current events is amazing. You can bet I won’t stay long to chat with Mohammed after eating, thanks to this Surah.

[@godslight6293]

God bless you brother rob

[@faddy2812]

Without lies Islam dies

[@watermelonmanied]

Another great, punchy little refutation. Very useful, because when I consider all the arguments against Islam there are so many that I often lose track of them all. What you people do is a full time job and a valuable service.

[@jeremialozanoverstraete1719]

Please brother debate dawah over dunya you will detroy Him with the Power of Christ and youre knowdledge may Jesus protect you

[@RobChristian]

He won’t debate anyone he already said it. He is a coward like the rest of his boyfriends, he only does his cringy 1 minute short clips. I’ve done some response videos and buried him. Go to my “videos” tab, you will find them there.

[@jeremialozanoverstraete1719]

@@RobChristian Ive see al most of al youre vidios but i wil watch thankyou brother in Christ keep doing to good work👍

[@Charlotte7615]

God bless you ❤ Rob❤!

[@akhash9659]

May Al lah guide Al lah 😂

[@Voice_of_Nature37]

6:42 and 6:45🧐🤭

[@salancy3279]

✝️❤️💐🙏👍😇 our prayers and God's grace always be with you brother 🙏

[@eduardoalexmarchese8671]

Islam bon pour la poubelle

[@jaylinbezuidenhout9204]

Muhammed could not decern if the revelation were from God or allah who is satan..what a prophet..what ashame..

[@derpiebeast]

great work Rob

[@pharaohs6347]

its so satisfying when rob exposes this disgusting cult for the millionth time

[@Mandy-zq9dj]

Great work RC 👍👍

[@ajdndbdjbdj]

‏‪3:41‬‏ This is flase in every layer of it, one, the prophet did not commit shirk, he was allegedly manipulated to say things against God's will, which God specifically tells us in the Quran that God excuse us for our wording, and only judges us on what our intention is, this point is enough to refute your argument, but ill continue, two, Shirk is an unforgivable sin yes, but you left an important part, it is unforgivable in the day of judgement only, let me break it down for ya, EVERY sin is forgivable if you repent, even shirk, if thats the case then muslim reverts are unforgived, which is false, if a muslim dies while commiting a sin, he might go to hell, but after a time God forgives him, and send him to the heaven, but if he dies upon the shirk, he stays in hell fire forever. 'nough said

[@mikegreen2229]

RC always lifting the ancient rug their paganism is swept under. Emotional damage!

[@danielo8504]

Satan making Qur an and Al lah is the best deceiver🤣

[@DarwinJeffreyWright]

We support you!!! Keep exposing them

[@basharatnazeer1623]

Brother, do we have this book on Amazon ?

[@chilichill7252]

You can’t make this up

[@suppaman12]

3:41 This should be in the time stamp 😂

[@mohammedtambadou8215]

After all ur heat against Islam but still growing Christianity is dying all over the world. Because god is not a man not 3 but 1 it’s doesn’t make any sense. Can explain tirinity to us ?

[@HuHWhatOk]

No its dying because the Bible Says the truth will die out and evil will over take

[@Tribal_Dad]

Your work is amazing brother RC, may the living God bless you abundantly.

[@sarasohaib6765]

who is lat manat uzza ?

[@RobChristian]

The 3 pagan female idols of Mecca

[@sarasohaib6765]

@@RobChristian they are not my daughters

[@Donaldduck345]

Let's confirm Rob's words: 1- Abu Jafar Mohammed bin Ahmed Al-Saydalani : Al-Dhahabi the famous islamic scholar said : الذهبي : الشيخ الإمام الفقيه المسند Translation : The Shayikh , The Imam The Jurist The Musnid. 2- Fatimah bint Abdullah bin Ahmad Abu Saeed said : أبو سعد السمعاني : امرأة صالحة خيرة معمرة Translation: A good, long-lasting woman 3- Mohammed bin Abdullah bin Ahmed bin Ibrahim Dhahabi said : الذهبي : الشيخ العالم الأديب الرئيس مسند العصر Translation : The shaykh , the scholar , the leader musnid alasr ( I don't know exactly what is the meaning of the last two words ). 4- Suleiman bin Ahmed Al-Tabarani He is the famous islamic scholar Al-Tabarani as the name suggest. 5- Al-Hussein bin Ishaq Al-Tasturi : Al-Dhahbi said : الذهبي : كان من الحفاظ الرحالة Translation: he was from the memorising travelers ( the translation is not accurate enough ) *There is other guy with hussien who told the hadith to the previous narrator his name is abdan , but it's not that important to say his rank in narration as Dhiya al maqdisi said in the sanad "و" a Connecting letter which mean that both hussein and abdan narrated the hadith to Al-Tabarani.

[@Donaldduck345]

Let us complete : 6- Yosuf bin Hammad Al-Ma'ni : أبو بكر البزار : ثقة أبو حاتم بن حبان البستي : ذكره في الثقات أحمد بن شعيب النسائي : ثقة ابن حجر العسقلاني : ثقة Translation : Abu Bakr Al-Bazar : Trustworthy. Ibn Haban : He mentioned him in Al-thikat " Trustworthy people " (book) Imam Al-Nisa'i : Trustworthy. Ibn Hajar : Trustworthy. 7-Ummyah bin Khaled : there are many people in that title however the one that narrated the hadith is Ummyah bin khaled bin Al-Asouad bin Hudbah " someone will ask why that's because ummyah was a student to the next narrator Shu'bah bin Al-Hajjaj " Ibn abi hatim said : أمية بن خالد بن الأسود بن هدبة الأسدي البصري من بنى قيس بن ثوبان أخو هدبة بن خالد أبو عبد الله روى عن شعبة وحماد ابن سلمة روى عنه مسدد ومحمد بن بشار ومحمد بن عبد الرحمن العنبري ( م) سمعت أبي يقول ذلك، سألت أبا زرعة عن أمية بن خالد فقال: *ثقة.* سمعت أبي يقول: أمية بن خالد *ثقة.* He is in conclusion a trustworthy person.

[@Donaldduck345]

8- Shu'bah bin Al-hajjaj bin Al-Ward Abu boustam أبو جعفر الطحاوي : إمام حافظ حجة أبو جعفر العقيلي : عنه ثقة، ومرة نقل عن مجاعة بن الزبير قال: الصوام القوام أبو حاتم الرازي : ثقة أبو حاتم بن حبان البستي : من سادات أهل زمانه حفظا وإتقانا وورعا وفضلا وهو أول من فتش بالعراق عن أمر المحدثين وجانب الضعفاء والمتروكين حتى صار علما يقتدى به ثم تبعه عليه بعده أهل العراق أبو دواد السجستاني : ليس في الدنيا أحسن حديثا منه أبو عبد الله الحاكم النيسابوري : إمام الأئمة في معرفة الحديث أحمد بن حنبل : لم يكن في زمنه مثله في الحديث، ومرة: كان أمة وحده في هذا الشأن أحمد بن صالح الجيلي : ثقة ثبت في الحديث وكان يخطئ في أسماء الرجال قليلا أيوب بن أبي تميمة السختياني : فارس الحديث خذوا عنه ابن حجر العسقلاني : ثقة حافظ متقن عابد وهو أول من فتش بالعراق عن الرجال وذب عن السنة He is a more than trustworthy person like how these scholars said , I will not translate it cause it's hard to translate. 9- Abu Bushr أحمد بن صالح الجيلي : ثقة ابن حجر العسقلاني : مقبول الذهبي : مجهول مصنفوا تحرير تقريب التهذيب : صدوق حسن الحديث، وروى عنه ثلاثة، ووثقه العجلي وابن حبان، ولا نعلم فيه جرحا Ahmed bin Salih Al-Jeli : Trustworthy. Ibn Hajar : Accepted. Al-Dhahabi : Unknown. In the fourth one there are two scholars : Al-'ijlei : Trustworthy. Ibn Habban : Trust worthy Even though Al-Dhahabi said that he is unknown person but that doesn't matter sunnis consider "ijma'/اجماع" in the hadith rather than what one person said that is clear from their name " Ahlul Al-Sunnah wa Al-Jama'a " Jama'a means group. 10- Saeed bin Jubayr : A tabiee " follower of an companion " A trustworthy person just search about him and find what the scholars of the Ummah said about him. 11- Ibn Abbas : A companion so trustworthy

[@BillyMandalay]

Excellent work, Rob. This is why we rely on your studies. You know the texts, you speak the language. And your English is good. The best part, however, is that you show the visuals of the references clearly. Much appreciated ! 👍

[@NJP007]

Rob Christian Style is unique ! God Bless u Br

[@ad2k767]

God bless you Rob

[@AbdullahMahmoud-n8w]

It is best to be honest on matters such as this, there are narrations within early Islamic history which mention this story, although none of them are authentic and are all missing at least on link, this video attempts to show that they are authentic but doesn’t give any definitive proof that the narrations are in fact authentic (which they are not), and the one authentic narration we do have of this story makes no mention of the satanic verses

[@Closminding]

He did give the proof - the Sahih (accepted) narrations. But supposing there was no proof. How could possibly stories of Muhammad's perfidy arise within MUSLIM traditions (not their enemies)? Is the Enemy within? In which case the religion is doomed anyway. Classic case of a divided kingdom. 🤺🤺

[@AbdullahMahmoud-n8w]

Thanks for the reply, you’ve made some good points, although the reports within the videos themselves are not authentic, the video mentions factors which can contribute to their authenticity, although the narrations themselves are not accredited as authentic, also interestingly the position of ibn hajar was not that Muhammad himself recited the satanic verses but it was rather Satan who recited them allowing the disbelievers to hear it. Also assuming the tales did come about after the death of the prophet, it wouldn’t be a shock to know people had fabricated tales in order to discredit him, this is in no way a sign of a definitive divided kingdom, rather slander comes to many great figures especially prophets during and after their lives, I’m sure you as a Christian would acknowledge this.

[@raphaelfeneje486]

​@@AbdullahMahmoud-n8w When you willfully choose to be ignorant and blind, the truth is lies in your eyes

[@Closminding]

@@AbdullahMahmoud-n8w The 'slander' as you call it came from Muslims not from their enemies, even if it's sources (hadith) that you persnally reject ( although many other Muslims especially at the time did not) and during that 8 year period when he re-embraced the Pagan Godesses again his own tribe rejoiced. The Satanic verses do not originate from Islam's enemies, like Christians for instance, its not 'enemy slander', but are deeply embedded in MUSLIM tradition whether you accept them or not. But this is the massive problem you've got, you're hadith are muddled and contradictory and many are damning (literally) of Muhammad. From an outsider's perspective it's irrelevant whether they're Sahih or not. The fact they're there at all is incriminating.

[@Closminding]

@@AbdullahMahmoud-n8w There is no analogous situation in Christianity. When the pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by Beelzebub - he replied that that would divide Satan's kingdom so it would implode, and it is faithfully preserved in the NT accounts to this day, with no attempt to abrogate it, as are Satan's temptations of Jesus which he rejected. This is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what happened to Muhammad and the Quoran. All the slander towards Jesus came from the enemies of Christianity not itself, like Muslims for instance who deny the divinity if Christ and believe Muhammed is more important than Jesus (which is a sin against the Holy spirit and therefore unforgivable). A fashionabie contemporary slander is that Jesus never existed as a historical figure at all. But that's trivial compared with the sin Muhammad committed.