Earth-Shattering ka-Boom! How (and Why) Guns Explode

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Just yesterday Scott at Kentucky Ballistics posted a very sobering video detailing his Serbu RN-50 quite literally exploding in his face. A lot of people have asked if I have seen it, and I figured this is a good opportunity to discuss the different ways in which guns can explode, and what some manufacturers have historically done to fail-safe their designs.
While not nearly as cool as Scott's "Just Put a Thumb in it" shirts, I do have a pretty nice lightweight Carhartt shirt now available in the Forgotten Weapons merch store:
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Scott's original video on the event:
• My 50 Cal Exploded
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[@AppalachianTemplar]

I like how Ian has accepted his position as one of the more visible gun KZbinrs, and uses this platform to educate. He's not sensationalist or click-baity, just informative, in-depth, and well-spoken. Also, I like how he's getting a little more involved with other gun KZbinrs, through videos like this, the Brandon Herrera terrible AK and so on.

[@nkill6]

There's this channel called "the history Guy" this is just that for guns they actually kind of talk similar too

[@user-pn5cc4uj9w]

imagine ian talking about the ak50 in 20 years

[@bllau]

@@user-pn5cc4uj9w 20 years? Someone is an optimist.

[@kiwi_comanche]

Brandon and Co did that little blaster PROUD!!!

[@AMillar1]

Haha yeah, and after the Heat video, I really want to see Ian work with Mike from GT.

[@dUFGoLZ]

"If something's weird, stop, and figure out why." That's a really good tip, not only for gun safety.

[@mattpeacock5208]

A lesson for life. If/When it smells funny, take a step back and assess the situation.

[@ihcterra4625]

That's what she said.

[@DAN007thefoxx1]

@Grimace427 Very much applies to flying too. Only difference is you may not have much time to diagnose a problem if say, your engine goes out. In this case, if it doesn't restart after you went thru all the necessary procedures don't waste time trying to get it started again. Start looking for a place to glide in and put her down safely. My local flight school doesn't even let people reset popped circuit breakers anymore because they really don't want a fire breaking out inside the cockpit. One time I was about to go for a flight after getting some fuel and then the engine wouldn't turn over. The prop seemed to only move a little bit and then seize up. And then it started after it moved a little bit more. And I already knew from a similar experience with my car that it was a sign of a starter going bad (I had no engine trouble at all after we actually got it running). So I told the school about it (we aren't allowed to hand prop start at my school either).

[@ibramgaunt885]

@@mattpeacock5208 definitely, if you stop smelling the smell and you haven’t left the area there’s a good chance it’s already too late. At least it’s the case with hydrogen sulfide.

[@procrastinator41]

Exactly. About 35 years ago, I was plinking with some guys. One of them had just bought an old military rifle, can’t remember make or caliber. It looked to be in good condition. He lloaded a few rounds and leant over the hood of a truck. Six or 8 of us were packed around him like an elevator full of idiots. The first shot sounded fucking weird. It was loud, but dull, with no crack or echo… We all kind of exclaimed “WOW!” Myself and a couple of other guys, we later discovered, had assumed he would stop and check the gun. Before we could say anything, he pulled the trigger again. Nobody was seriously hurt. The sound was like an explosion, of dynamite or something like that. Very loud, louder than a shotgun or 44 mag up close. The breech did not explode. A stinging, burning hot fan of gas and debris came from the small gap around the bolt. I think the bolt might have deformed. The guys who were close had powder burns and what looked like small abrasions scattered across their faces. There was definitely some hearing lost. One of the guys told me later that his ears had wrung (badly enough to wake him up at night) for a almost a week. The shooter was shocked, but basically okay. Eyes wide, his face dirty from debris and little burns, blood trickling from what looked like a hundred shaving nicks. That gun was well made and we were lucky little morons.

[@ateague01]

Scott’s video was scary as hell to watch. Really glad he’s still alive and not missing any of his parts

[@timdixon3391]

Hilarious?

[@tpiskl]

@L Train45 tf

[@Fiasco3]

Definitely a wake-up call to some, to take those big rounds seriously. It was horrifying to watch.

[@cathat227]

The parts that count to us the parts that count to him to be continued....

[@xstorm_8_shadowx]

@@timdixon3391 Its a bot or troll ignore them

[@MRFlackAttack1]

5:00 No Ian, the most cliche examples is a hunter with a shotgun goes to shoot a rabbit during rabbit hunting season, and the rabbit plugs the shotgun barrel with corks/carrots/his fingers and then it backfires.

[@CinedyneFilms]

@@LIONTAMER3D *rips off 'duck season' poster* Rabbit season!

[@Jabberwockybird]

Rabbit Season

[@joshuasturnfield7549]

Elmer Fudd season!

[@StonyRC]

@@LIONTAMER3D -WABBIT season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dun0790]

Never had a problem with rabbits that dam road runner tho

[@visamedic]

This is why I never let a rabbit get close enough to put his finger in the barrel.

[@pbp6741]

Best laugh of the day. Well done.

[@mikehunt8375]

Duck season!

[@brianzawodniak3998]

Wabbit season

[@darkwinter6028]

Fudd season!

[@liliwinnt6]

's okay, you will survive, the rabbit won't

[@msfsaint]

PPE is the unsung hero in this story. That solid steel cap would've taken his eye if not his life without those safety glasses.

[@Balin_James]

Precisely why I wear all PPE at all times, and make sure all shooters around me are. I wish more people did the same

[@ddavis3599]

Those glasses were very well made lol

[@mor4y]

I dare you to Google "safety glasses grinder accident"..... those glasses really are worth their weight in gold, Scott's pair almost certainly saved his eye, maybe even helped to save his life as they deflected the cap. I hope Scott puts up a KZbin short style clip that's 1 min that we can show anyone refusing to wear a set, that'll be enough to convince 90% of people! Such a cheap and easy thing that can save your sight, and maybe your life

[@mor4y]

@@Balin_James I hope Scott makes a 1 min KZbin short style vid of the accident, something we can show people that's quick and snappy, it would probably change a lot of minds right away

[@davidelzinga9757]

I still want to know what brand he was using that was strong enough to transfer enough force to break bone in 4 places but still hold together and save his eye

[@binbashbuddy]

Saw the title, knew it was about KB. Sure glad he came out Ok.

[@7uring]

@@bmstylee aren't slaps already discontinued?

[@CHET1]

Yupp

[@binbashbuddy]

@@bmstylee -- They use a Barrett as I recall. The Barrett has much greater safeguards against anything coming back at you. The problem for Scott was that when the threads on the cap failed there was really not enough to stop that heavy cap from blowing back into his face. Part of the little safeguard there (which was really more out of battery safeguard than blowback safeguard) was is what hit his neck when it failed. I expect they'll up their safety game with heavier lugs and maybe more threads.

[@whosweptmymines3956]

Good point, although for safety it might be best to just put another failure point where the gun fails in a safer way before the threads fail.

[@binbashbuddy]

@@whosweptmymines3956 -- They may do both, but I strongly expect them to find a remedy for the situation. KB is a pretty big channel and that was not good advertising for them, they have no choice but to address it, and I expect Scott will be showing us the free new and improved version they send him sometime soon.

[@waleedraza7195]

"every so often, everything will line up just exactly wrong" -Gun Jesus

[@BerraLJ]

Same thing with say plane accidents, they have so many safety systems but sometimes the failures or misses line up and stuff goes very bad very fast.

[@nigelft]

@@BerraLJ ... hence the old saying that safety manuals are written in blood ... JAL Flight 123 is one of those cases were everything lined up in such a way that, eventually, resulted in the worst, single aircraft, disaster in aviation history. There were numerous points in that chain of events, that, had it been interrupted, could've prevented such a massive loss of life, but yet ...

[@jackson7516]

Nice so nothing in life goes completely right but if can go completely wrong.

[@waleedraza7195]

@@jackson7516 yes, it seems like there will always be something wrong, a little tiny thing wrong

[@caliberspecificreload]

😂😂 Totally! Gun Jesus is not a forgiving prophet either

[@jacobs.9797]

It's a miracle Scott's still alive. He was incredibly lucky to survive, let alone being more than likely making a full recovery. His dad's quick actions and his LEO training saved his life.

[@DylanoTheWizard]

tell me, what does LEO mean

[@activatekruger446]

@@DylanoTheWizard Law enforcement officer PUT A THUMB IN IT!

[@jacobs.9797]

@@bmstylee Caliber Armor is offering a discount on it's site and giving a portion of the proceeds to Scott as well.

[@evilke-kneebone]

@@andrewallen9993 show us on the doll where the bad person touched you.

[@titter3648]

But he obviously did not have a sufficient first aid kit because he had to use his thumb to control the bleeding in stead of some packing gauze.

[@imferret244]

Scott’s accident also highlights the importance of first aid training and kit at the range. As Ian said, if Scott or his father hadn’t had the peace of mind to handle the crisis and could stem the flow of blood, he simply wouldn’t have made it to the hospital.

[@ddavis3599]

Absolutely, that was a masterclass in first aid.

[@solarissv777]

@@wazza33racer absolutely, better have the knowledge and improvise the tool, then lots of tools and now idea how to use them. Most people in Scott's situation would have died even if they had a fully kitted ambulance on site (with no paramedics).

[@ddavis3599]

@@wazza33racer His knowledge of first aid is what saved him. Him sticking his thumb in there was him applying that knowledge to save his life. Wasn't referring to a first aid kit.

[@Simon_Nonymous]

@@solarissv777 I completely agree with your point but would still encourage shooter to have both.

[@jarink1]

"Just stick a thumb in it!"

[@rikou1986]

Scott was extremely unlucky and lucky at the same time. His dad was amazing in staying calm and saving his sons life.

[@markwallace1727]

Scott too. Even with the training and knowledge, I still find it astonishing he was able to keep any panic in check enough to save himself (along with his dad's help). I can't imagine it would be easy to stay calm as a father seeing their child so badly injured and have to stay level headed. Hats off to both of them, as it probably would have been a sad outcome if either one didn't perform so well given the incident. I also hand it to Scott for making his video. A valuable lesson for all, and not just for shooting injuries. Made well, and invites other good commentary and expansion of the topic by other people in the industry. I hope non gun-related content gets made from this example also, looking more at safety, first aid, and dealing with injuries - whatever the cause.

[@mr_h831]

That man must've had some EMT training or military medic training or something. THE FIRST THING HE SAID was for his kid to put his thumb in his neck. This guy knows what's up.

[@mr.nemesis6442]

I think Scott was a cop before he did KZbin. He knew how to stay calm in a bad situation and control his bleeding.

[@Ryarios]

Scott used up a whole lifetime of luck on that one.

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@mr.nemesis6442 both him and his dad are former cops i believe

[@mo3bius58]

Just one more thing: He wore safety glasses, which safed his eye and potentially his life!

[@supernoodles908]

Yeah, that could have been much worse

[@guthhalf5484]

Made all the difference.

[@jasontrewin123]

Yeah that one thing i don’t see mention a lot. He would be blind or have brain damage had he not had it. BOttomline guy is lucky or he’s t500 terminator model

[@Gantradies]

there was an.... Incident, at AngloAmerican's Dawnson mine that had a similar outcome- there WAS a youtube video as part of the incident report, but it seems to have "mysteriously" vanished from youtube. short story, there were 3 employees- 2 normal, one manager, all three were essentially in heavy sleep dep due to them being repeatedly woken up -exactly- at the minimum time after they clocked off,repeatedly, over several shifts when, i THINK they were already doing overtime and exhausted to start with. issue was a 3 phase circuit breaker powering some important equipment had died (breaker itself was fine, something had gone in the control panel/switching panel), and they had been incapable of getting in contact with the manufacturer for almost an entire day (as in, no responses online/on the phone) to get replacement parts OR a certified technician. so eventually, they were loopy enough for salvaging parts from another breaker to seem like a "good" idea (even though this ended up involving using a power drill to trap the internal springs in place to stop it going flying, after they lost spring tension on the FIRST one and made it useless ). to cut a very long chain of dubious decisions made under heavy pressure (they were close to having to shut down part of the mine due to storage backing up, i think),stress, and with the equivalent of more then a day without sleep/ repeatedly interupted SHORT sleep short, the breaker was a fail-deadly design (in my, laymans opinion, designed by a fu- bloody moron)that would close under gravity if the control panel was removed, and both workers got a face/torso full of molten copper- the one thing they did completely right, even with their brains half gone, was to put on their protective vests and safety glasses- which took them from "eyes burnt by molten copper, burns all over their torso" to "minor burns"

[@TheLazerSword]

@@Gantradies incidents like these make me afraid and concerned for my life even more.... It's pretty scary to think how vulnerable we humans are, but without incidents like these we would have not thought of the importance of safety. Stay safe my friend and thank you for sharing this story

[@jtreinen762]

"...in all sorts of interesting and exotic ways." The gentleman's way of saying, "You'll blow your fkin face off, dude."

[@kajetandziebaj6405]

but in interesting and exotic ways, no less :D

[@kathrynck]

actually most banana-peeled barrels don't hurt the shooter, or only their forward arm/hand ...usually

[@oddvoid]

@@kathrynck I was going to say this. That having a barrel fail is one of the best catastrophic failures you can have, it's much better then having a bolt rammed through your face.

[@kathrynck]

@@oddvoid yeah. if it's going to explode, at least exploding kinda away-ish is preferable hehe.

[@edwardcullen1739]

Amen to that! 🤣🤣🤣 It really is one of those "it's funny because everyone survived" stories!

[@DannStephen]

Scott is one very lucky guy. Both he and his dad's reactions on the day are the only reason he still alive. Not knocking the surgeons that operated on him, but he made it alive to the hospital to allow them to do their work

[@devildante9]

No kidding, he almost lost his right eye, and half his face along with it, got his lung pierced and jugular slashed, but he is already shooting handguns not even two weeks after. The guy is made of pretty though stuff, his dad too.

[@LRBeforeTheInternet]

I'm starting to think people have no fucking clue what luck actually is. LOL :)

[@Aliyah_666]

@@LRBeforeTheInternet Honestly yeah for sure he got lucky, plus other factors he got lucky with it.

[@someguy7555]

@@LRBeforeTheInternet Luck has nothing to do with the fact that he knew what to do, and had the confidence and the mental power to do what he did, shoving his thumb into his wide open throat to stop the bleeding, staying awake, and just being able to handle the fact that there is a gaping hole in his neck and he might not ever see his kids again.

[@LRBeforeTheInternet]

If luck actually existed, which it doesn't, it wouldn't involve near-fatal injuries. I'm sorry, but you people need to find a new word to describe what Scott went through because you sound silly. LOL :)

[@williamhart4896]

Glad Scott KB had his dad working as his camera man keeps him alive and he will get better

[@aidanfarnan4683]

28:26, That's what killed Brandon Lee on the set of "The Crow". They needed close-ups of a revolver from the front, and the director complained you could see clearly it was empty, so he had the prop-master fill it with dummy rounds for the close up... but they didn't have any dummy rounds so they just pulled apart live rounds and dumped out the powder but left the primers in when they put the bullets back in the case. One primer went off and lodged a bullet halfway up the barrel, where it stayed undetected until a later scene with the same prop gun being used to fire blanks directly at Brandon Lee. Revolver squibs are a real nightmare.

[@terryfaugno9242]

The director released the gun safety person before they actually filmed the scene, which contributed to the obstruction escaping notice until it was too late.

[@Bikewer]

I just saw a movie where they carried safety a bit too far… They showed a character opening the cylinder of a revolver to see if it was loaded… None of the cases had primers in them at all. Safe, to be sure, but a gaffe visually.

[@jongustavsson5874]

@@Bikewer majority of moviegoers would never realize that was wrong though. There's far more glaring issues with movies and tv than that. Like the exaggerated pulling on steering wheels that should annoy anyone that ever drove a vehicle, but no one ever mentions it.

[@rabidbeaver167]

Idiots with guns... what could go wrong

[@taraswertelecki9886]

Squibs in semiautomatic pistols and rifles are nightmares of a different sort. I experienced them more than once due to missing powder in a cartridge, pushing the bullet into the barrel. Fortunately, the bullet prevented another round from chambering, and I was able to get the bullet out without damage to the barrel.

[@romulas-cushmanproject3273]

I love how Ian has ran this channel all these years, almost every video is strait to the point informational video, no random BS for filler, He always try’s to show examples to what he talking about, and he has the voice for this stuff

[@Hysteria98]

The only thing he's really missing is visual aids which would really help illustrate his points, but that is of course a lot of work for what are only supposed to be on-the-fly moments of information.

[@JohnNordic]

And no fucking Raid Shadow Legends

[@romulas-cushmanproject3273]

@@JohnNordic plus do you really think Ian would be the type of guy who plays mobile games? Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if Ian had a flip phone or an older android that couldn’t even support Raid

[@nopushbutton]

@@romulas-cushmanproject3273 I mean, there are a lot of channels where the person obviously does not play mobile games that have the raid ad, I don't think raid shadow legends cares if the person actually plays their game or not, just that it's a popular channel

[@romulas-cushmanproject3273]

@@nopushbutton oh I’m not saying Raid wouldn’t try, I bet Ian has probably at least 25 emails from the R-SL team about sponsoring a video. I’ve heard stories of channels responding saying they don’t want to do anything with them, but Raid would still email them less than a month later

[@F1god04]

“When everything goes perfectly wrong.” Perfect quote.

[@Paul-oq5gp]

*Everything will line up just exactly wrong*

[@benjic3901]

Don't talk about my boy scott

[@benjic3901]

You didn't go thru what he went through..

[@charlescomly1]

THIS HAS BEEN YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY FORGOTTEN WEAPONS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

[@gaylordpantamime]

Gun jesus

[@paulfry3221]

Stay a while and listen.

[@FoxbatSVK]

And Gun Jesus said unto them, "If you find yourself tempted to tap-rack-bang by your weapon's weaker recoil and noise, field strip it as soon as possible; for it is better to DNF a competition than for your weapon to explode in your face." The Book of Safety, 11:43.

[@LeBoomStudios]

Add to that safety message to always reload old ammo. Pull the bullet and put it into clean brass with fresh powder and primer. Most of that specialty ammo is at least 40 years old, since newer stock wasn't able to enter the market since the NFA Act prohibited it as reclassified destructive devices.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@LeBoomStudios And, as mentioned here, different powders age in different ways. In the best case scenario of powder degradation, it saves you from an annoying dud.

[@drmaudio]

The same is true of most aviation accidents. They are often chains of small events and decisions where anyone by itself is easy to ignore or justify, but in combination lead to disaster.

[@GeneralPenemonto]

And the most important thing is that this is not randomly like this, we purposefully built systems like this. Mostly by trial and error. Plane crashed? Reason: X. Okay we have safety measure for X now. Plane 2 crashed? Reason: X, then/while/after Y. Okay safetly measure for X and Y too. And this goes on like this.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Yeah, or same with industrial or nuclear disasters. It always start small oversight (something like a safety valve or sensor removed for maintenance and never put back on) combined with chronic lack of maintenance. Then sprinkle in a healthy dose of administrative missmanagement, pressure from executives. Then add a nice pincer of crew shift in the middle of a delicate operation and all of that ends up into a nice healty catastrophic incident!

[@ronaldlollis8895]

There are rarely true “accidents” that occur just by chance and bad luck. However, there are many, many “incidents” that are categorically traceable to those seemingly insignificant and carelessly afforded missteps that results in catastrophe. That’s what news stations fill their air time with, over and over, the prideful foolishness of man.

[@crazypath573]

Credit to KB and his father for having brains, quick acting, emergency response, innate knowledge of what to do in a crisis. Not many people would have fared as well in the same situation.

[@noahboat580]

He truly was lucky not only because his dad was there, but he also wore that cap and safety glasses. That cap couldve gone in his head

[@eamon5468]

Extra credit to his dad for being an absolute unit

[@mehicanbls1526]

@@eamon5468 i noticed that too. Good genes, diet and excercise will do you some good

[@skrimper]

@@eamon5468 I was absolutely shocked when I saw him. Dudes got shoulders like Mount Everest

[@gamemeister27]

@@skrimper They must lift together. You don't get shoulders like that by doing 10 pushups every morning.

[@ericcartrette6118]

In the Army, we called a squib a pop-and-no-kick. I witnessed one on a range one day. Thankfully the private that was firing the M-16A1 recognized it immediately and ceased fire. I can remember the drill sergeants using a ramrod to push the round out of the barrel. We all knew that the private's training and attention to detail potentially saved him that day.

[@VT-mw2zb]

How easy it would be to detect a "pop" from a squib when you have ear protection on?

[@ericcartrette6118]

@@VT-mw2zb while the sound could potentially be drowned out from other weapons on the range in addition to the ear protection, the noticeable lack of recoil should be a clue as well.

[@streetfighteralpha9891]

Makes you think twice about firing something in full auto or rapid firing semi auto. Hopefully it just doesn’t cycle the weapon and makes you stop.

[@ericcartrette6118]

@@streetfighteralpha9891 yeah seriously. It would turn dangerous in a hurry.

[@VT-mw2zb]

@@streetfighteralpha9891 it will not have enough gas/recoil to cycle an auto or semi-auto. However, what comes next can be problematic. If you apply a Type I failure remedy because you are under pressure and/or trained to do so (and you blindly follow it): tap, rack, it can be followed with a boom to your face. There's a video of a guy running a competition where he got a squib, tapped, racked, and the weapon didn't fire because the bore obstruction prevented the next round from going into battery. He tapped, racked, (or even could have hammer the forward assist) a couple of times, and then it went just enough for his gun to blow up. It blew the mag out of his gun and gas into his face, and you gotta admire his dedication: the guy continued to put another mag in and tried one more time before giving up. Training for remediation of malfunction is focused on getting back into the fight but when the malfunction is a squib, it could be the gun blowing up. (xhgyJMhQFbA) vid id. A hangfire may also occur on a click but no bang. Type I action may result in a cartridge explode on the ground but it's usually harmless. A squib in the revolver or bolt action is more problematic. Failure to fire? Pull the trigger again on a revolver or just cycle the bolt and you will fire a round behind a bore obstruction.

[@jimmurphy7296]

Ian, Ok, it's way past time for me to say this... I've been watching your videos for years, and from where I sit, you literally piss excellence. You're incredibly poised, well spoken, well prepared, with seemingly no major flaws or any big flashy ego ever showing through. Just a superb professional, every time. You present great quality, very interesting, not overly fancy or complicated, concise and easy to watch videos in an incredible volume. I believe your vids are equally valuable to both novices and experts alike. Your work reigns supreme atop so many others' in a really perfect niche. I watch a lot of KZbinrs across a broad spectrum of interests (many technical), and I must say that you sir, really are among the very best. You don't seem to let your apparent success "go to your head" either. Keep up the great work. Stay safe out there. Jim, a Veteran, Spokane.

[@kathrynck]

"you piss excellence" I think I am stealing that line.

[@werock1998]

I agree completely, very well spoken

[@Blackcloud288]

Did you serve at Fairchild?

[@Tommyg-rq6lj]

Never have i ever seen a hearted comment from Ian

[@edwardcullen1739]

Hear! Hear!

[@ChrisPBolsak]

It's amazing how every single gun youtuber I watched dropped everything to talk about and show support for KB, it's heartwarming.

[@smackeddie3826]

Except Taofledermaus, have you seen that train wreck vid yet? Bitchin about ad revenue and YT comin for gun channels smh, real bad take.

[@ChrisPBolsak]

@@smackeddie3826 I could KINDA see where he was coming from on SOME aspects. But most of the stuff I saw him say that I disagreed with was mainly just him not doing enough research.

[@tylersmith839]

@@smackeddie3826 Yeah I completely stopped watching his videos after that. Not to mention he kind of seems like one of those ex-leo/vets that only wants military and police to have access to good equipment.

[@jimmyrustler8983]

The dude dual wields .500's, and fires Takedown rifles for fun. I'm 100% convinced he's a T-800. And glad he's doing okay 🙏

[@Joshua_N-A]

T-800's obsolete. He's T-900 model KB-001

[@jimmyrustler8983]

@@Joshua_N-A Old, not obsolete.

[@Joshua_N-A]

@@jimmyrustler8983 between the 3 sent to the past, only one is actually mass produced and not a prototype or experimental unit.

[@texas-raider]

Outstanding video, Ian. Not many people can speak for 30 minutes, hold your attention and not need silly music, graphics or lame cutaway jokes to keep the viewers attention.... this is what a real teacher looks like.

[@Godisinkontrol]

Seriously

[@FindersKeepers88]

Well said, Ian gets credit for doing it right

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Deflagrate. Thank you. 🙏🏻 Edit: approx 14min. I put it like this- The casing is a device that orients all the ignition components with the firearm components responsible for that ignition while providing a lubricious gas seal. I’ve seen the following description of an out of battery detonation in a 1919 once. It was energetic. In closing. It’s all an coverup. Scott is the next generation of Terminator and he had to publish that video to convince everyone that he is human.

[@KClO3]

I mean since the gasses are moving fast enough to move the bullet to supersonic speeds then it’s a supersonic deflagration. Kind of funny, supersonic deflagration, deflagration can still be supersonic because it’s still just a reaction of heat

[@theHSPCproject]

@@KClO3 isn't the deflagration / detonation a measure of how fast the flame front propagates though, not how fast the resultant gases are moving?

[@KClO3]

@@theHSPCproject detonation is when It burns faster than the speed of sound in the material itself, so 343 m/s burning is not detonation because it has to reach the speed of sound in the explosive itself which is way higher in a solid than a gas

[@theHSPCproject]

@@KClO3 ah ok the wording in your original comment was confusing.

[@6.5mm_is_the_best_mm]

Cases also strengthen the action by taking stress off of the lugs and help prevent auto-loading actions from opening too early by gripping the chamber during peak pressure. That is the reason why it is recommended to not polish revolver chambers and to remove oil from chambers before firing.

[@Hysteria98]

"You can do Everything right and still Fail. That is not a Weakness. That is Life."

[@wikilcontainments]

- John Luke Picard

[@TheRonald6524]

Unfortunately But very true!!!

[@Sankis]

didn't he buy shitty ammo

[@Parents_of_Twins]

That is completely true for everything in life. Been there and failed that. Live and learn from what happened even if you did nothing wrong there's still things you can learn. Or you can whine and complain and blame it on others. One way leads to understanding and a better life the other does not.

[@cyclonetaylor7838]

My Da had an old saying he used a lot. " Right, so right as he sped along. But was just as dead as if he was wrong."

[@Shoorit]

Scott’s video was a hard watch. Lucky to be alive and it’s quite sobering.

[@devildante9]

I was freaking out the whole way through, I would just had froze up in that situation. What a guy Scott is!

[@nicoEmt187]

There is a German expression that I think fits Scotts Accident perfectly: "Glück im Unglück". It basically means being lucky in a unlucky situation. All the best to Scott.

[@bobpobcf9723]

I feel like Germans have an expression for everything

[@philthethotdestroyer4194]

@@bobpobcf9723 i clicked to see the replies knowing fully this would be the 1st response

[@corystansbury]

Makes me think of the guy who survived Hiroshima and then went to his brother's house in Nagasaki and survived that too. There was also a woman who was on the Olympic during its accident and both the Titanic and Britannic during their sinkings. Survived all three.

[@pebzi-]

@@bobpobcf9723 similar is the norwegian saying ''hell i uhell'' translates to fortune in misfortune, a positive overall outcome in a bad situation/scenario also translates to ''to have luck with something unlucky'' meaning again, a bad situation/scenario turned to a positive

[@Doorsofprcptn]

As we say In Sweden too. "lyckan i olyckan" seems like Germanic languages have an expression for most occasions in life.

[@johnmorgan1629]

Scott was lucky his dad stayed calm and they both had the knowledge of how to deal with what they faced. Then not only having but using safety equipment most likely saved his eye, then the excellent work of all the medical staff.

[@zach2beat]

Not only saved his eye, but also probably save him from a brain injury. That much oomf into his eye and breaking the eye socket in three locations, had he not had the glasses that much impact directly into his head would have been like getting punched by Mike Tyson in his prime bare knuckled and holding a steel slug. The glasses deflected the power of the cap enough that it didn’t happen thankfully.

[@Shampooh]

"Lucky" I think underplays just how critically important it is to be trained or have someone nearby trained to deal with things like this. Also, heck, to be the annoying atheist for a moment, all of his thanking of God I think underplays how much he owes his life to the quick work of his father and the medical staff that treated him.

[@sawyerawr5783]

good point on the safety stuff. I need to get a set of safety glasses ground to my eye prescription I think after watching that.

[@bryanwhisler4193]

25:33 to the end really shows how insightful and responsible Ian is. He's going out of his way to not play the blame game and using this terrible situation that happened to Scott as a teachable moment for all of us who love to pull the trigger. Bravo to you Ian!

[@Justin-wp3md]

Between Scott's 50 Cal. failure and now Ian's explanation this is always gonna be in the back of my head everytime I'm at the range

[@AG-zv9jo]

So a “shooter X will remember that” sort of deal?

[@Justin-wp3md]

@@AG-zv9jo that's right

[@pxjydz303]

Same here. And that's probably a good thing. Like Ian said we as shooters get complacent. After I watched it I grabbed my headlamp, field stripped all my guns, and gave them a good once over.

[@bennyb.1742]

Hand loads scare me for this reason.

[@Black70Fastback]

better this than a bolt carrier group in the back of your head.

[@fredbloggs5902]

His incident has to be the best recommendation for eye protection I’ve seen. From his description, had he not been wearing eye protection he would have probably lost an eye and possibly been instantly killed.

[@09cjonescj]

That was my thought exactly

[@gumbomudderx7503]

I grew up not using eye and ear protection when shooting. It wasn’t until I bought a .44 mag pistol and had my ears ringing for about 3 days after shooting it all day that it really scared me that I’d screwed up my hearing. So now I wear hearing protection when ever I shoot. I still hardly ever wear eye protection though. It’s not that it isn’t available. I work in a factory that requires us to wear safety glasses from entry to exit, unless inside a control room or break room, so I’m used to having them on and theirs several pair floating around my truck. I guess it’s simply that I grew up not wearing them while shooting that I’ve been complacent. KB’s video is very sobering though and definitely makes me rethink not wearing them.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

He was like a few mm from death as it is

[@Johnny-tq9no]

also best reason never to buy an rn50 lmao that's one of the most dangerous designs I've ever seen

[@andrewjoseph8739]

Spot on. Good time to reflect on why you wear safety glasses.

[@eisenerballer]

Dudes laughed death in the face. Man he's lucky to be living

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

@@BloPsy_Actual Who's mocking him?

[@skeletonwguitar4383]

Dude healed faster than an average person, he is a protagonist

[@BrianKern2121]

After almost being killed a couple of times, it's easier and easier to laugh off a situation that almost kills you. I'm sure Scott had a few close call being a cop, and general male shenanigans

[@dwaneanderson8039]

He can laugh now. He wasn't laughing at the time.

[@tenofprime]

He is not laughing about it at all, I watched his video and he thanks God, his dad, his nurse and the hospitals for saving him. He came very close to death and acknowledges, he even says that had he been out there without his dad to help him he would be dead. His breakdown of what failed, how and why was quite thorough and gave good information for how to handle a crisis.

[@mflashhist500]

I come from a country with very strict gun control laws, and we often see a lot of negative stories about gun ownership in the USA. So It is awesome to see someone like Ian who is so passionate about firearms, their technology and their history but is also the epitome of the responsible firearm collector and educator. Bravo Ian, keep the great videos coming !

[@5jjt]

Odd; I wonder why they don't show you positive stories about firearms.

[@zelocalsryup8210]

@@5jjt because good news doesn't sell, which is why school shooting is popular stories to tell by major news stations in the USA

[@u2bbastard]

The vast majority of gun owners in the USA are very much like Ian. Unfortunately, news outlets are much more interested in ratings than ratios, and therefore, you'll hear about the shitty gun owners far more often than the responsible ones.

[@-cheezu-]

@@u2bbastard saying the vast majority is a huge understatement, when the stats show between 500k and 3 mil defensive uses a year and gun deaths are a fraction of that and mostly suicides, I’d say yes us gun owners are by far very responsible. As with anything you will eventually get outliers with any statistics but our media loves to focus on the outliers completely skewing what people of the gun community. Thank you Ian you are amazing and the perfect example of what all of us gun owners strive to be.

[@alexisrivera200xable]

​ @ItenerantMonk That is kind of the problem. Too many gun owners... Now hear me out for a sec, I'm not against guns at all. My point is that as with any sufficiently large group even if most are responsible and upstanding the percentage that isn't responsible or law abiding gets big enough to cause all the problems we see in the US with school shootings, etc. The solution? Its complicated politically but straightforward. Becoming far more strict about who can own and carry guns to reduce the percentage of irresponsible/bad actors while requiring ongoing training in their use and handling in order for them to keep them. We need more gun owners to be brought up to par on their personal proficiency and safety standards. Mandating it by law would be the surest way to achieve it as it would be both mandatory and a way to spot who doesn't care to do the right thing and deal with them but like I said its politically a huge mess to implement. No one wants to turn in their guns to the police over noncompliance so even the already responsible gun owners will push back against it.

[@RobinP556]

Scott’s video gave me a whole new appreciation for shooting glasses.

[@galahad3195]

Fuck glasses. Seeing that breach plug fly through the air makes me want to exclusively wear a Mandalorian helmet and full plate armor with a kevlar neck guard for shooting at the range...

[@RobinP556]

@@galahad3195 Well, there’s that option as well. 👍

[@skeletonwguitar4383]

@@galahad3195 Russian steel helmets my dude, get it!

[@c.kelley3309]

Top Shot Dustin put out a video about as month ago titled "I Nearly Shot my Eye out..." and he discusses his out of battery detonation that caused his pistol to explode, putting shrapnel into the lens of his range glasses.

[@hindsight2022]

I cant believe he kept his eye . my mom was hit in the eye with a bunji cord and is blind in that eye now . he is damn lucky

[@DefconMaster]

I'm a bit surprised that Ian didn't mention his own little incident that happened a few years back and put a piece of brass in his chest. Luckily it wasn't as serious as what happened with Scott, but that had to have been a pretty scary experience as well! Dangerous things are indeed dangerous, and it's best to be aware of it and prepared for it!

[@Tr3bu]

I thought so too, but then I realized that he went to great lengths to make this video informative and fact based, and not a “remember when I got hurt” video.

[@DustyLBottoms]

Was there a video for that?

[@DefconMaster]

@@Tr3bu true, and maybe he just didn't want to distract from what happened here, but it would've borne mentioning it when discussing failure modes

[@VallornDeathblade]

Speaking of exploding guns, Brandon fixed the Cursed AK and apparently it was an explosion risk with those ground down locking lugs and barrel.

[@jimmyrustler8983]

Being an explosion risk was the least of that things problems. 🤣 Good to see it back up and running though.

[@brianwestberry9117]

And fixed it to 5.45x39 as it was originally intended.

[@carolinaplinker]

Before Brandon got a hold of it maybe blowing up was the best thing that could have happened to that thing

[@dbmail545]

That was a scary gun. HT to Brandon for resurrecting that abortion.

[@jessemorris744]

I hope we get a NEW video on that

[@aslanhicks3045]

Let’s take a moments to be amazed that this is all one shot, and very well spoken. Ian has so much knowledge, and is such an eloquent speaker it’s always a pleasure to watch!

[@DiegoFarre4]

On top of that, it really helps non native English speakers

[@cddevelopment363]

Imagine using a fancy laser sight to zero your rifle perfectly, only to immediately destroy the laser, the rifle, and your face.

[@t-bfr45-70]

It happens I heard of the cleaning rod on a guy when he was breaking in new barrel.

[@macdiggitty]

i was thinking about that too... i much prefer the bullet laser rather than the muzzle laser personally

[@tonyc223]

@@macdiggitty Years ago , I almost fired a A2 HBAR with a muzzle laser at the range. Thank god my son stopped me. Never bring a muzzle laser to to range. It shakes me up to this day every time I think about it. With the HBAR bull barrel , I think I would of ate a colt bolt.....

[@lordcirth]

I wonder if this is why some bore sights are cartridge-sized and go in the breech. Can't load a round without ejecting it.

[@jero37]

Worst day ever, and I know just exactly how that could happen. You're either being hurried by some social obligation or something more personally biological, think you took it out, and then boom.

[@kbjerke]

Thanks, Ian. One can not be too careful. Fortunately, in more than 60 years of firearms experience, I have not had a significant episode. A few close ones, to be sure. But all is well and I have all fingers, toes, and eyes! Stay well!!

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

And that is the crazy part, this was one in a million. I've run through probably 5000 rounds of CCI 9mm over the past two years, out of all that ammunition I had one of the last rounds fall apart in the chamber of my firearm. Luckily, it failed to chamber and fire. When I racked the slide, the cartridge ejected, the powder spilled all down through my magazine, and the bullet fell out of the chamber on top of the magazine. I've never seen that in my life, and I can't say I've seen QC issues with CCi either. Just a crazy failure with new, factory loaded ammo.

[@therideneverends1697]

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 I had an AK cartredge that was fresh from the box, no funky storage or old production throw a bullet slow enough that it poped into the sand infront of me, Probably the closest you can physically get to a squib without it sticking in the barrel

[@trifidhm]

I've had a 240 barrel blow up and the bolt broke the hydrolic buffer. The gun had about 220 rounds through it that morning and was cleaned the night before.

[@luisnunes2010]

And above all, stay away from dodgy old ammo.

[@therideneverends1697]

@@luisnunes2010 And other peoples reloads never fire those under any conditions

[@win300mag1]

I’ve seen a few of these videos since Kentucky put out his and I like the fact that we as a community are taking it as a chance to reflect on the seriousness of what we are doing when we are just casually spending a day at range as well as using it as a chance to educate one another as a private community. Thanks Ian for the info and very grateful that Scott was ok.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

It's more than a mildly shocking video. Not many are shooting 50 BMG slap rounds that often, but it is a stark reminder that there is a reason we do things the way we do. Life and death go hand in hand, but bringing it about by way of a mistake just makes everything that much worse. I'm glad that Scott lived, he seems like a good guy and a productive member of society.

[@BeingFireRetardant]

Yep. And Ian doing this reinforces the reality of how having controlled explosions going off inches from our faces still carries an inherent danger. This right here is why I love the gun community. Anti-gunners will never understand that the community goes to great lengths to train, educate, and practice safe techniques and handling, and to disseminate good, solid information consistently. Very grateful for people like Scott, Ian, and all the others whose credibility comes not from their popularity, but from the wisdom and logic born from the experience of safe weapon handling, every single time. Well done. And very timely.

[@michaelbaker8284]

I hope the demolition ranch guy has a moment of reflection before he gets himself or a family member hurt with one of his stunts.

[@FPR]

The last advice that Ian gives is Gold, since it applies to everything. If something feels off, stop and evaluated until you find the issue, otherwise you may hurt your gear and ultimately your life and maybe the lives of others.

[@navjyot5218]

I was completely absorbed in Ian talking about firearm designs as a whole. Wish the video was longer

[@leadcloud]

Luckily for you, he has more than 2,000 videos of him doing exactly that haha

[@ctjctj2]

I wish Ian had added more images to this lecture of gun failures. One of the things Scott showed was the stripped threads AND the ears that had been broken off and thrown at him. That sort of image goes a long way to showing the results of these sorts of bad events.

[@collinmclaren6608]

Frankly surprised you didn't bring up your own gun-related medical emergency back in 2017. After watching Scott's video, I immediately went back and watched your 'Dangerous Things Are Dangerous' video on InRange.

[@tomeng9520]

InRangeTV : Ian´s own experience on accident. The videos name : Dangerous Things are Dangerous: The Importance of Medical Training kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3fLd6pua72ebdE

[@catfish552]

That's where my mind went as well. Big takeaway in both cases: In case of an accident, it's *very* useful to have someone else there who can administer first aid, assess your injuries, and get you further help.

[@semiotto5973]

Thanks Ian and thanks to Mark Serbu for your explanations with regards to Scott's accident. We all wish Scott a full and speedy recovery. It's positive to see the community come together to express their support and address the incident.

[@formoney5255]

The other type of Out-Of-Battery detonation not mentioned here is a cook off, witch mostly only happens when you are firing full auto for a sustained amount of time; a cook off being when the gun is so hot that the rounds go off just from residual heat. IV8888 recently had a really interesting cook off in a melt down video where the firearm jammed, and the cartridge got caught in the bolt sideways, and being held in the hot bolt caused it to cook off.

[@formoney5255]

@@justforever96 If the bolt is locked, and a cook off happens, its not really a catastrophic failure, just a failure. If the bolt isn't locked, than its out of battery.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@justforever96 in the Military you would get yelled at for even mag dumping when you were not given the clearance as it is wasting ammo

[@havareriksen1004]

@@formoney5255 If the cook off happens because the primer ignites, then it will not produce a catastrophic failure. However, if the powder heats up substantially, it will burn faster than normal and will produce higher pressure than normal. That can produce a catastrophic failure. depending on how high the pressure gets and the weapons construction.

[@havareriksen1004]

@@justforever96 I wish it was the case that cook offs are almost always in battery. Unfortunately it is not. Cook offs happen most in machine guns. Those who fires from a closed bolt runs the highest risk of a cook off, but most often the gun will be in battery. The problem is that soldiers, no matter if they are operating an open bolt or closed bolt weapon, will try to clear the weapon if they have a jam or some other malfunction. And so they will try to retract the bolt, open the feed cover or tries to remove the barrel. And then the weapon is no longer in battery and all safety measures built into the gun to went gases and fragments away from the shooter is bypassed. When a cook off then occurs, the fragments and hot gases will likely hit the soldier and cause damage. I have been on investigation boards for many such accidents. There are rules and regulations as to how to manage a jam in a very hot weapon, to mimimize the risk of injury. But soldiers tend to go not follow such rules, feeling the need to get the weapon back in operation as fast as possible. And in wartime, such a risk is worth it if your position is in danger of being over run. But in peace time, no. Still, soldiers often train as if they don't have time to change barrels and cool the weapon down, and clear the weapon as fast as possible even when there is no enemy present.

[@areed2000]

I have rarely seen such a reasonable, useful and respectful analysis of an event. Very well done!

[@activatekruger446]

I was watching the Kentucky Ballistics video when I got this notification lol

[@KorbinX]

Same haha

[@jakezdabest567]

Me too, I heard about it and when I went to find the video I got the notification on my phone.

[@117johnpar]

This feels like when something happens with a student in the school and your history teacher gives you a lecture on what happened and what they did wrong.

[@creepyendy]

do you know the tragedy of the child that whipped with his chair?

[@winterwar5583]

@@creepyendy I Walsh’s though teachers were just paranoid about that but one of my former classmates ended up with a slipped disc from falling back and slamming his spine into the corner of a cupboard. No smoke without fire I figure...

[@lwilton]

I got that lecture in second grade. A kid I didn't know in another class was swinging on the playground swing as high as he could go and not holding on. He fell backward out of the swing at the top of the arc and landed on his head on a rock. They took all the classes one at a time out to the playground and showed us the bloody rock and red splashed sand around it and explained that it was uncool to swing too high and not hold on. I think it probably left some sort of lasting impression on most of us. (All you telling me I'm a lair because playground swings have seat belts and limits on how high you can swing and safety monitors standing there to stop you and there are no rocks around: you weren't born in the 1950s.)

[@toaster_gmbh]

@@creepyendy do you know the tragedy of the child that threw a snowball but didn't know there was a big stone or pice of ice in it and with tremendous aim or unluck took an eye of a other student. This was told to us by the headteacher (who knew a guy that knew a guy back when he was at school circa1940-60) when we threw a snowball in deepest winter after school on the soccer field. We always asked our self how that thing couldn't happen as you would need a substantially big stone in your snow for that and you would realize if your snowball would be 70% Boulder (what's the correct name for a stone that big) and

[@pietervonck3264]

@@toaster_gmbh when I was in tech school, some guys thought it was funny to put spark plugs in snowballs, that's like 18 years ago

[@DeviantOllam]

I was thinking we might have had a brief mention of that one shooting incident where you yourself, if I'm not mistaken, had a slightly out of battery detonation and you and Karl had to apply quick thinking and medical knowledge to make sure you were okay. And we're all very glad for that quick reaction... because we need you around in our lives for a long time. :-)

[@Carhill]

22:34 "We'll start with the French." Saw that one coming.

[@bearjam5372]

Ian knew what he was doing, look at that chuckle

[@markanne54]

I think probably the most impressive thing from Scott's video is the display of his admirable physical and mental fortitude in being able to bounce back so rapidly from such a devastating event. I think most of us, assuming we survived, would still be in bed feeling very sorry for our selves, whereas Scott's up and about making videos and cheerily explaining what happened, and promising normal service will soon be resumed. The man's a machine!

[@md_vandenberg]

Scott is definitely an example for us all.

[@lifepolicy]

If you don't get up asap you won't get up at all. That's my experience.

[@doctormixup5388]

I think one lesson to take away from this incident is to always, always wear eye protection when shooting guns. Heck, also when welding, using an angle grinder, handling acids or caustics, or any number of other things. A decent pair of protective glasses are cheap compared to guns and ammo and eyes are priceless.

[@diabeticmonkey]

PPE is a must. I can say that I could’ve been seriously injured on the job without several pieces of equipment. It’s deadly serious

[@buggs9950]

I wear glasses even for just hammering at stuff nowadays. I bought a multi pack of impact glasses and put a pair or two in each angle grinder case, one in every hammer box etc. Then there's no excuses or temptation to not use them.

[@iant2064]

Yup. Things like this are why I started wearing legit safety glasses over my prescription glasses. Normal glasses will keep little bits of soot out of your eyes but they won't stand up to a ricochet, piece of jacket coming back off steel or a kaboom.

[@jamestheprotogen7554]

I have a little story about welding. I was at work straightening out a piece of metal and my idiot coworker decides that this is a good time to weld another part to it, no warning whatsoever. I didn't close my eyes fast enough and BAM, spots in my vision for the rest of the day, a mild sunburn and in the evening my eyes were burning like hell (barely bearable when eyes closed). And I know someone that had to have eye surgery because they used an angle grinder without eyepro.

[@xiro6]

@@buggs9950 i had a coworker injured in the neck by a little piece of metal sheared of a steel chisel. Nothing serious but revealing. better to grind the burrs and use safety glasses. also i had prescription glasses with a little molten metal embebded in the glass from not using safety glasses with an oxyacetilene cutter. things happening from non usual works and tools,but its a lot better to loose some time gathering all you need,and safety equipment must be considered and esential part of some tools. basic safety is so cheap, and can end up so expensive to not use it...we are usually so lucky after all

[@firewing1319]

What is crazy about Scott’s gun exploding is that the bullet exited the barrel. That means that the pressure was insane, to both push out the bullet with significant energy and also blow up the gun.

[@FtwNil]

I'm so glad Scott is still alive and thank God for his father being there. That was extremely hard to watch man.

[@summerfireking]

But all in all scott is a bad ass

[@lionelhutz3142]

😲😲😲😲

[@mk014a0003]

I don't mean to cheapen his faith, but he is alive because of his and his father's skills, knowledge and ability to function under extreme duress.

[@Trollensky]

@@mk014a0003 Yeah it bothers me when religious people give all the credit to god after situations like that, feels like they're just throwing themselves under the bus.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@mk014a0003 You bet his faith played a part in it too. Even if it was just a placebo effect.

[@edwardloomis887]

Inherited a old, Damascus-barreled shotgun passed down through my dad. He didn't hand it to me until he looked me square in the eye without a smile (unusual) said, "This is designed for black powder. Don't shoot anything more powerful." Have I mentioned my dad was a really great guy? RIP

[@ScottKenny1978]

Raise a glass in his memory for me!

[@77professional]

My uncle's uncle was an idiot who put 3" magnums through a Damascus barreled shotgun and figured if he cut off the damaged end with a hacksaw, no one would notice!

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@77professional I hope his daddy applied a belt to his seat for that... 😠

[@XMooseManX]

Rip our great dads. Hope I live up to my own. He was a shit. A great shit.

[@juliolaurian1777]

Ian's depth of detail and understanding is always quite impressive

[@aaron6633]

The fact that the Arisaka still has the flower stamp impressed me more then its safety mechanisms

[@gruntopolouski5919]

I have a Sako-modified Mosin-Nagant, captured in wartime from the Russians then rebuilt and accurized. One of the changes was the grinding off of the crest - right in the same spot as that chrysanthemum on the Arisaka.

[@allangibson8494]

An Arisaka with the Mum is a pretty positive indicator that it was a combat captured example.

[@Unus_Annus_]

@@gruntopolouski5919 Finnish captures are always nice

[@gruntopolouski5919]

@@Unus_Annus_ “regular mosin-nagants were 10$ cheaper

[@WKZworks]

Before even clicking on this, I knew this was at the very least inspired by Kentucky Ballistics' KFB. Thanks for the PSA, Ian.

[@thelastjohnwayne]

We are all thankful that Scott will be OK. Scott is well liked in our community.

[@Payne427]

It's very sobering to see that firearm KZbinrs care for each other.

[@wolfehoffmann2697]

Agreed. And in more positive news, that really FUBAR'd AK that Ian showed off months ago has been fully redone by Brandon Herrara.

[@Payne427]

@@wolfehoffmann2697 I heard about that.

[@Kylie-tl1wo]

i love it

[@Puffie40]

I'm reminded of a Home Shop Machinist article on a homemade single-shot target rifle, where the author explained he chose a falling-block action because he was the most comfortable with the design should anything try to fail.

[@andrewtinker7537]

Falling block puts a rather huge brick of steel between you and anything that might come back at you. Very reliable.

[@marc-andreservant201]

Glad to know Scott is alive and doing better. We all wish him a quick recovery.

[@planescaped]

Surprised Ian didn't mention that round that exploded outside his rifle a year or two ago that embedded brass shrapnel in his chest and Karl had to rush him to the emergency room. I think he was going to when he was talking about out of battery discharges, and meant to come back to it but forgot.

[@stuckincommiefornia]

Is there a video they made in regards to this incident?

[@jadedengineer]

@@stuckincommiefornia It’s on in range TV channel

[@planescaped]

@@stuckincommiefornia 'Dangerous Things are Dangerous' over on Inrange. And wow it was 3 years ago. Feels like a couple weeks ago it was new upload. Oh gawd time plz stahp!

[@stuckincommiefornia]

@@planescaped Thanks sir!

[@stuckincommiefornia]

@@jadedengineer Thank you!

[@TheBludgutz]

Acknowledging and helping people understand the dynamics of such a catastrophic freak accident is the right thing to do Ian. Total thumbs up mate and we all hope Scott recovers soon so he can get back to what he loves!

[@rhekman]

3:13 There have been a marvelous series of videos over the past year from both Scott at Kentucky Ballistics and Mark Serbu, the designer/gun nut/creator of the RN-50. Scott has stated they determined the SLAPP round that caused the detonation was loaded with pistol powder (mistake or sabotage unkown), causing chamber pressures nearing 200,000 psi.

[@commanderhindsight1633]

"Deflagrate; Verb: to burn away or cause (a substance) to burn away with a sudden flame and rapid, sharp combustion" I like when Gun Jesus teaches us funny words

[@ScottKenny1978]

It's the important distinction between _propellant_ and *explosive.*

[@blackhawks81H]

They're basically both explosions. But a deflagration is slower than the speed of sound, while detonation are faster than the speed of sound.

[@Mrgunsngear]

Great info

[@JW--dc8ri]

I see you everywhere

[@ImaYam]

@@JW--dc8ri providing no valuable feedback

[@JW--dc8ri]

@@ImaYam me or gunsngear?

[@ImaYam]

@@JW--dc8ri gng

[@Blindman51]

@@ImaYam if he agrees then wtf do you expect him to say exactly?

[@elbolainas4174]

This is why we call Ian "Gun Jesus" and love him

[@thesmuggest6680]

The Charlie of guns.

[@rocketcab]

.... yep.... I've always called him "Gun Jesus".... I forget his real name....

[@curly_bill1629]

Ian, thanks for a really interesting video. A bunch of years ago, my son and I are at the range shooting, among others, some Winchester white box .38 specials out of a Smith 642. About 40 rounds in I had a squib round. Never had one before, but it sounded exactly like one had been described to me. Told my son I was glad he got to see one. Cleared the barrel and since no damage was noted, kept on and on the 51st shot (I clearly remember the number) we had a second one. Cleared the barrel but the cylinder would not close. Olin was contacted and they paid Smith to repair the gun on Olin's dime. Made the point to junior how not paying attention would have had a much different result. Thanks again for your videos. .

[@AlyoshkaNecro]

Every time you have any doubts about safety remember Matt from demolition ranch with his 'use rope and take cover' doctrine.

[@kathrynck]

There's a few things taufledermaus has toyed with which probably should have used string. But, so far so good. I guess the pressures are pretty low in a shotgun though.

[@dankovac1609]

And every time you decide it's a smart idea to shoot guns in your own house remember Matt from demolition ranch getting hit by shrapnel while shooting in his own house

[@johnchristian1205]

Mythbusters uses the same safety techniques also. Use rope, take cover from a good distance.

[@davidm.4670]

@@kathrynck I've seen pic of shotgun with barrel looking like half peeled banana ...

[@kathrynck]

@@davidm.4670 I've seen those too, with rifles as well.

[@johnsmitty7447]

2 big lessons are to have a trauma kit with you when you shoot and not to shoot mystery ammunition that could be overpowered

[@VT-mw2zb]

And watch out for squib loads. You could tap, rack, and it goes boom in your face.

[@edwardbarton1680]

Or if you're going to shoot ammunition of dubious quality, use a string to pull the trigger remotely.

[@williamt.sherman9841]

@@VT-mw2zb had a close call with a Squib- was shooting buddy's .44 Magnum lever action, he had mystery ammo that his friend had loaded (drunk) i had a miss fire and lowered the barrel and the bullet fell out. some of the shots were low powered others did not leave the barrel.

[@kathrynck]

To be fair .50 SLAP isn't usually a "mystery ammo" (unless someone reloaded it and passed it off as surplus) But a lot of army surplus ammo is sold because it failed military spec. Usually that's just a shelf life requirement, or an incomplete coverage of sealer on the primer, or a little ding or scratch... but it can fail spec for being the incorrect weight, which is "not good" (tm). The 'X' prefix on surplus ammo means it is not allowed to be used in military guns "for some reason", usually a rather minor reason, but not always.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Honestly, someone should make a video based on this event, with basic first aid skills and what to carry. As someone who has taught a number of never-shot-before people, I want to have what I need for when what I don't want to happen, happens.

[@bradmarthafocker4285]

Mark Serbu posted a video addressing the incident as well. It shows a lot of character, I highly recommend checking out out. As for this video, it was every bit as informative as any I've watched on Forgotten Weapons. I've come to expect the most informative and well articulated breakdown of things on this channel. Well done.

[@wayward_son7]

I've never shot a gun in my life. But I absolutely love what you do here in your channel. You're one of the few youtubers I respect. Love from India ❤️

[@bobmcob1132]

If something feels weird or off, take a second to see if everything is fine Thats just good life advice there.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Sound and feel, very important!👍

[@sauletto1]

Shooting a Llama .357 bull barreled match revolver with my buddy, back in the mid 80's. My friend shot off 3 shots, fairly slow. When he shot the next shot, it just went "pifff", not loud at all. I was right next to him, and we both looked at each other thinking "What the hell?" just as I realized what had actually happened , my friend raised the barrel back up to continue shooting ! I automatically (although not very smart) reached over and grabbed the gun around the hammer/cylinder area before he got up to aiming position. It scared him I guess and he let go of it so I had control of it now. I swung the cylinder open and held the barrel up to the sky....but no light shone through it. Wadcutter bullet stuck about an inch down the barrel. Scary moment forever in my memories .

[@bobmcob1132]

@@sauletto1 I bet your friend is very glad that you stopped him from shooting into a blocked barrel

[@asystole_]

@@sauletto1 Your buddy was lucky to have such a cool-headed attentive friend with him at the range. Friends don't let friends ignore a squib!

[@dougmapper3306]

My concern with the design of the firearm in question is that any gas leaks into the headspace area will cause huge forces on the cap, since the internally threaded cap is necessarily large enough in diameter to accommodate both the base of the cartridge and the wall thickness of the chamber. As the force generated by pressure is a function of the area, a leak of this nature could easily double the effective load on the cap. As the threads continue to fail, the cap acts like a cylinder and the barrel a piston, and the cap will be launched rearward with great force. A couple of strategic bleed holes in the cap or interrupted threads in the barrel could provide a vent path to prevent total thread loss in the future, instead ruining the threads plastically and relying on a case head separation to vent the pressure as the cap comes up against the bolsters. A redesign of the bolsters that prevent out-of-battery operation would stop the cap after a few millimeters of travel, at a distance where the case has expected to fail and the vent path is open. The receiver should also be constructed to redirect the cap in a safe direction the event of a total failure. The design of that gun always gave me the heebie jeebies because it's like staring down the end of a pipe bomb. No bad blood for Mark Serbu though. He appears to have done his his diligence and it is designed well. I just hope a few small changes might be made to increase the survivability of bad ammo.

[@gutfinski]

Excellent commentary and suggestions. You obviously come from an engineering background. Threaded breech caps and other types of threaded pressure connections can give a false sense of security. Notching effects at the base of the threads as well as understanding the finite life of components undergoing repeated exposure to loads close to the failure point are essential. Somewhere in the many discussions of this incident I read that the service pressure of the 0.50 M2 Browning load is in the order of 50,000 copper units of pressure and the expected failure pressure of a piece firing the round is 85,000 copper units of pressure. Considering that many critical mechanical systems have a safety factor of 5 or more is not very reassuring when compared to a firearm of what, 1.7?

[@Oddant1]

It's remarkable how many little things go into the design of guns that most users never think about

[@computername]

That's for any product. Good design doesn't get noticed because it just works - it's only when failure occurs that it gets considered. Most people raving about how useless design engineers are and that degrees are useless are just ignorant. That sentiment is associated with the wealth-induced complacency of the western world.

[@bumpercoach]

plus to contemplate the maiming experiences which made the improvements necessary

[@2K-Tan]

@@computername You don't need a college degree to be a smart human or practice common sense safety. Most degrees are not useless, but there are certainly way more useless degrees in the modern world than there used to be just 20 or 30 years ago.. I make more money with a HS degree than anyone with a useless "Liberal Arts" degree ever will. However engineers are absolutely irreplaceable and will 100% always be needed. No debate there.

[@no1bandfan]

I’ve always thought of the brass as a metal gasket for the chamber.

[@mahashma449]

Basically, yes.

[@bilbo_gamers6417]

that is the case

[@Otokichi786]

"Bore Obstruction" reminds me of the "Columbo" episode, "By Dawn's Early Light," where a saluting cannon had a cleaning cloth left in the bore, which led to murder.

[@alexhaines4190]

Or Bruce Lee’s son brandon, he was shoot at with a blank gun while filming a movie and it shot a squib load bullet at him

[@bigratkiller1]

Learning from failures is one of the most powerful tools. Very happy that Scott is going to be ok and grateful you made this video.

[@timothychadwick8910]

I'm glad that this has been turned into a teaching moment and that he's ok and is recovering

[@no1bandfan]

I saw someone accidentally put a .40 s&w in a .45 1911. The cartridge fired, sent the bullet out the barrel, cycled the action far enough to pick up a .45, meanwhile the .40 case is in the middle of the barrel when the .45 is fired. He was lucky to keep his fingers.

[@havareriksen1004]

I hear the same thing can happen is people load .22 LR into a .22 Magnum chamber. Though the projectiles are the same width, the 22 LR has the projectile sit on top of the case with just the base inside the case, while the .22 Magnum has the projectile sit inside the case walls. So the .22 Magnum chamber is wider, and so the .22 LR slips through the chamber and jams at the shoulder. When the next cartridge is loaded and fired, the projectile's path is obstructed by the previous cartridge and kaboom.

[@alflyover4413]

@@havareriksen1004 I have done this as an experiment to see what happens. The 22LR rim is wide enough to keep the cartridge from falling into the chamber. It is notably loose, though, since the 22WMR case is around 0.243" while the 22LR case is around 0.226". (Dimensions from SAAMI.) The case splits when the cartridge is fired, reducing the velocity and altering the sound of the report. In my limited testing, every bullet exited the muzzle to strike the target but the drop was excessive. These are my results on a single revolver, a H&R 676. I cannot sanction anybody else trying this, and I am reporting my results here so that anybody else who is curious about it may hopefully have their questions answered. In summary, firing 22LR ammo in a 22WMR chamber is unsatisfactory.

[@mikeseigel6566]

I had a squib on a new 357 revolver. Second round. S&W engineers earned their money that day. Had to replace the barrel, but the gun worked fine after that.

[@fredbergmann5352]

Thank you for talking about Scott.., your comments are appreciated and well informed.. we all wish him a speedy recovery..

[@charlieghague]

I'm just glad Scott is OK. That's the scariest things I've ever seen.

[@EsplodingBomb]

Yeah really 😥 Even at .25x playback speed on the slowmo shot of the explosion, everything goes from normal to absolute chaos in a single frame.

[@kastapostgard5306]

That guy sure is built tough thats for sure

[@Illbebacc]

@@kastapostgard5306 no joke fr!

[@TheHarberHangar]

"When something weird happens, STOP and figure out why" THIS! This right here is probably the single simplest but MOST important thing to remember, not just with firearms, but life in general. If you learn nothing else, remember this rule.

[@gloriascientiae7435]

underrated comment.

[@Saltpork305]

Talking about the end comments about squibs and weird hang fires, etc. The best way I've heard this put is everything is going to be cheaper than surgery on your hands.

[@andrewp8284]

And easier to live with, that’s for sure. Shit.

[@mid-misage3416]

When Ian's talking about the 1911, does anyone else think of the movie "Sin City" when the bore is plugged and the 1911 slide sticks into Benicio del Toro's forehead?

[@billsmith5166]

Great movie.

[@adampindell]

Great scene, too.

[@ryanbuckley5529]

It really is a beautiful thing how much the gun community truly loves one another... I’ve seen so many videos about this and others, 90% of the comments are caring for Scott and just humble to each other. Much Respect Everyone🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@charisperissos1320]

Then you you have Taofledermous posting a video trashing Scott because he's worried about his ad revenue

[@robertqueberg4612]

I had watched Scott’s video just a while ago. Sobering to say the least. I like your style or method of explaining these types of situations in a rational manner. My grandfather had a 12 ga. Guild gun from Belgium, that he inadvertently stuck into some snow. That peeled a six inch portion of the barrel outward from the bottom rib. A neighbor nearly got his ticket punched, when the locking lug on his Winchester 1897 fractured and allowed the bolt to cut a two inch line along his cheek, instead of into his eye and or brain.

[@Spiz103]

When I was in the cadet force at school we spent enormous amounts of effort teaching people to keep their muzzles up when trying to dive to the ground during an exercise.

[@redbyrd64]

My dad did the 12 gauge mud clearing trick. Blew off the last two inches of a Winchester 1897 barrel

[@bb_gunbandit4782]

Cut off the last two inches and you still have a perfectly good shotgun

[@audiefarmer4118]

I am English. I know nothing. This was so interesting. I see why you Yanks love him. Regards UK

[@randomentity6553]

You're just glad he said "Of course, ahh, we'll start with the French" lol

[@brokearse2011]

Look up Kentucky ballistics o KZbin what the video and then this video will make more sense also I'm not American lol

[@Darqshadow]

Thanks for hopping over and watching what we gun lovers call entertainment and informative depending on video

[@BIGSID320]

How is the old blunderbuss doing? 😅

[@reuben8140]

Check out Callum from English Shooting 👍

[@CrusaderJackaran]

Really well done video. Put this in a folder of "Basics to Firearms" probably like video #2 or #3 in the playlist. A lot of this regarding brass and gas venting I already knew, however the gun design safety was new to me. You strung it together well enough that I think anyone who's familiar enough with the basics of a firearm could understand how a failure occurs and what are the simple factors to a malfunction. You didn't touch on atmosphere/environmental factors, but that's why I'd say this is fit for basics. In a class room setting this works well to breakdown the "ideal" situation and how it can be disrupted. Your videos are very educational and I enjoy them a lot, you guys are great. Well done!

[@stariadversesmalum4638]

Watching Scott almost die made me sick to my stomach. Even when you’re careful things can happen in hindsight when you least expect it.

[@TheHappyGardener]

My father was in the Phoenix program during Vietnam One of the operations they had involved putting high explosives in heavy calibres .. rounds would be dispersed on battle fields or Mixed with ammo ,that the enemy would find or buy from Phoenix program agents This was an excellent way to disable a heavy calibre weapon and kill or disable a enemy combatint..he may have come across one of these rounds

[@solwindp78-1]

That's referring to Operation Eldest Son if you're talking about the Vietnam op. There were no boobytrapped .50 SLAP rounds produced in that operation (the kind that Kentucky Ballistics was using), only 7.62x39mm and 12.7x108mm (similar to .50 BMG but not interchangeable). The round that caused this accident was likely a civilian remanufactured round.

[@kylebradley3]

@@solwindp78-1 it was a slap round, which are loaded hotter IIRC compared to ball 50 bmg.

[@TheHappyGardener]

@@solwindp78-1 I don't think that it would be far fetched to imagine that the chi-com or other hostile would not run a similar program 🤔

[@mehicanbls1526]

@@TheHappyGardener russia is always going at with other eastern bloc countries. This could easily be a cold war era attempted sabotage. China trying to fuck over india, vietnam, russia or really anything.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@kylebradley3 they get a lot more fps, but that's due to a much smaller and lighter projectile. They should *NOT* be loaded any higher pressure than any other .50 BMG ammo.

[@redzeppelin6]

Scott showed us how well training in basic first aid can be. It's made me really think about taking classes on the subject.

[@jefflund5685]

To put 50,000 psi into perspective, your typical rental scuba tank is rated at 3,000 psi (and that's enough air at 60 feet for about an hour), and automobile tires at around 30-50 psi.