RIP to Michael's wife, Helen, who died recently. He met her at Southwold and this film is partly about that meeting. Condolences to Michael. I'm sure he will miss her deeply.
@stephenbrown1622 Жыл бұрын
Yes very sad my thoughts to michael palin and family just keep strong
@@stephenbrown1622he aint gonna read it you creep
@EtonieE25 Жыл бұрын
I love Southwold 👍
@janechamblesswright119 Жыл бұрын
A perfect film. Thank you Michael Palin and everyone who captured this snapshot of what youth felt like - all these long years ago.
@jackpakse1917 Жыл бұрын
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@Headwind-1 Жыл бұрын
eh hem . . those long years ago . ..please . . .
@mickeybee Жыл бұрын
An absolutely perfect, truly charming film. Captures that point in adolescence so gently, and so beautiful in its unique Britishness..... Just stumbled upon this film, but it really reminded me how fantastic small-budget British films used to be. A perfect piece of art!
@bo-borsabags61244 жыл бұрын
I watched this when it was first broadcast thirty years ago and I had always remembered how good it was. Of all the thousands of films I must have seen since this was one of the few that I remembered. It is so charming and gentle and a reminder of a much more innocent age. Beautifully written directed and acted. A minor masterpiece.
@גקליןיפה Жыл бұрын
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@stevemchadd Жыл бұрын
Puberty at it's finest, I'm not sure we ever grow out of it, thankyou Mr Palin.
@davidjordan9759 Жыл бұрын
Douglas Adams' Long Dark Tea-time of the Soul on holiday in the '50's. Beautifully realised, Michael.
@AGGD767 Жыл бұрын
Michael Palin has his hand on the pulse of British character like no one else, outstanding and incredibly accurate
@suzipam1234 Жыл бұрын
Such a wonderful slice of life at that time. Thoroughly enjoyed it
@craigruddock3824 Жыл бұрын
This is the 3rd nostalgic film I've watched in 24hrs. I don't know what's happening to me, I'm only 52😂
@lordkorner Жыл бұрын
Nostalgia, we all need it regardless of age😊
@robes99316 ай бұрын
#metoo
@adamadappa3 ай бұрын
Exactly the same here and I'm not even English 😅
@heavyt749 Жыл бұрын
Superb film! Haven’t watched a film this good in years
@valeriemacphail9180 Жыл бұрын
Caring for each other is the spirit we, in today's society have lost. This film reminded me of the restrictions and also the beauty of what once was.
@marypartridge5154 Жыл бұрын
My pa a man who worked for the Foreign Office used to cry with laughter at the Monty Python crew. My pa told me that he never understood God or Love so he would just carry on cracking jokes. Sadly my pa died last year aged 95 he got covid and all these special people are passing. And us aging hippies who refused to grow up are left as the "oldies". I'm sad.
@DavidJordan-l4p3 ай бұрын
Yes! Monty Python and the rest of the old-hippy stuff are the stuff to remember. My diamond memory was the Grateful Dead concert in 1974 but Python was close.
@AniWatX2 жыл бұрын
Another example of the superb writing from the brilliant Michael Palin.
@ShakespearHD Жыл бұрын
Excellent movie. Relaxing to watch, something that is an extreme rarity in today's films.
@kellyshaw72713 жыл бұрын
Such a shame that the holiday had to end early. Young love and discovering the adult world. Superbly written by Michael Palin and so nostalgic for lost youth.
@bastogne315 Жыл бұрын
Nowadays they're all at it at! Disgusting!
@ingridogilvie36643 жыл бұрын
what a great film by Michael Palin .no mobile phones! lol. those were the days.x
@Londonfogey7 жыл бұрын
This reminds me very much of holidays I spent with my parents when aged about 15,16, 17. The boredom and desperate attempts for any kind of contact with girls, knowing I'd soon be back to an all boys school. I was a moody so and so and I know I annoyed my parents greatly when I complained about visits to churches etc. Yet, I would give anything to have my parents back again now even for just one summer's day by the sea.
@alancollard89396 жыл бұрын
you explained this so true , i would give anything to see my parents again
@bigears44265 жыл бұрын
ALAN COLLARD my dad is still here but i mowed the lawn today and ran over mums herbs and that bought her back with the smell of her soup
@emilinebelle78115 жыл бұрын
You guys, I’m gonna cry. Bless you all. My parents are getting older and it’s the most eye opening, heart breaking, terrifying thought. I’m trying to soak in all the moments because I know one day I won’t be able to anymore. 😭
@revol1485 жыл бұрын
+Londonfogey we all take our parents for granted - you only realise that when it's too late.I wouldn't be too harsh on yourself although you really must be quite old if visiting churches was how you spent their holidays !
@howardchambers96795 жыл бұрын
@@revol148 I used to visit churches to escape the mind numbing boredom of sitting in a caravan playing scrabble, whist and all the other games. Sodding rain...
@davidthompson4540 Жыл бұрын
I was young in 1978. Left for Canada. It was a breath of fresh air. I go back as a tourist nowadays. Love it.
@ruthparkinson8494 жыл бұрын
Refreshing... reminds me of the good old days!! When we were human and could see people smiling!!
@maelstromobscura15753 жыл бұрын
Those born pre 60s will relate to this gem...
@miladydewinter7770 Жыл бұрын
That whisked me straight back to the early 60s - enjoyed it immensely.
@hitchannel7777 Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly the best, Michael Palin you are a genius.
@kevinhiggins9104 жыл бұрын
This is so good as it captures the dull , conservative , grey seaside resort and contrasts it with the frustrations of youth.
@angiecairns86873 жыл бұрын
An enjoyable watch from someone who lives in 'Sleepy Suffolk'..At 17 yrs old , Suffolk had its special memories for me too!! 🤐😇
@MartysWhiteSuit6 жыл бұрын
A British gem and painfully accurate.
@patrickjm34873 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of coming home from our school party it was so beautiful when you are there and when you’re going home ya feel down and can’t stop thinking about the girls who were there in holidays and I hated when it was time to go back home all your thinking about us next year’s holidays (( Great movie and I really enjoyed it God bless ya all
@didierbion8056 Жыл бұрын
Oh thanks for posting , i had a VHS of this, brings so many memories when i lived in Hampshire. Always loved Michael Palin's productions incl The Missionary and Private Function. This is ace.
@didierbion8056 Жыл бұрын
To complete the picture i recall attending a premiere of Private Function in Southampton Michael Palin and Maggie Smith were there together with Betty, one of the 3 pigs used for the film.
@pigknickers2975 Жыл бұрын
Oh I'm falling in love with this and I'm only 7 minutes in. I used to stay on the coast with my grandparents in Lincolnshire so I suppose I can relate to this.
@ChromeShadow4eva2 жыл бұрын
This was filmed in my home in Southwold, the Mount on North Parade - it was a guest House for many years, and after being sold, the Artist who bought it rented it out to the film company and made a mint doing it! It was full of light and sunshine, so odd to see them dim and dismal it, and make it dark.
@Mute_Nostril_Agony Жыл бұрын
Walberswick spotted at 4:05. The landlady at 8:07 was in Please, Sir. One thing distressingly common on beaches at the time was lumps of oil everywhere. 27:05 Covehithe is a lovely ruined church not far from Southwold. 39:30 Southwold Pier before it was developed. Love how the sky is uniformly slate grey, in mid summer
@clivespendlove59935 жыл бұрын
I was in the dining room at The Crown in Southwold - the posh seaside resort where this is set - and I couldn't believe my eyes when Mr Palin and some others came and sat at another table... That was long after this was made (probably in the early 2000s) so he must have long had some kind of connection there. It's lovely to go for a short holiday but I would just die of boredom after a while. Superb film, calibre of Alan Bennett whom I also love. The best of being English, this kind of thing.
@themekonlordofthetreens69834 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this.. It took me back to my teenage years and those guest houses that were ruled by dictators in the 1950- early 1960's, with the rules about dining and dreadful food and service. The beaches with the wave breaks and the bleakness of it all. We didn't have a car and went by bus or train. But..... It was a highlight of summer holidays back in the day.
@EtonieE25 Жыл бұрын
And that awful musty, damp smell in the houses that stayed and stuck to your nostril hairs for hours 🤣🤣🤣
@FRANKTHRING18 жыл бұрын
Perhaps its because I was brought up on the east coast and remember the Cromer, Sheringham, Hunstanton, Southwold, and other such towns of the period of this film so well that it leaves me with a profound sense of melancholy - grey skies, a grey sea, a greasy, salty flavour in the air and drizzle. A line like "I think I will take a walk to the toilets," expresses the delights of those days. Of course there were sunny days. I just can`t recall them much.
@Huaimek8617 жыл бұрын
William Wright , I love your comment . One of the features of English summers is that in some years there is no hot sunny period at all . Although my father's family was from Herefordshire , we holidayed in Cornwall , my mother's home county . Later we moved to live in Cornwall . In my youth I did an exchange with a young Italian from Florence , resulting in a lifelong friendship . In my sixties I moved to live in Italy to be near my many friends and to enjoy a really hot sunny summer . I was an actor in my youth , I never went to the east coast , but actor friends went to work in repertory theatre or at Butlins .
@elizabethsheffield66097 жыл бұрын
there's a great fish & chip shop in Southwold!!!
@Skipperj7 жыл бұрын
I grew up in northern New York in the foothills of the Adirondacks. The weather was similar in the summer and the winters were horrible.30 below zero F.
@cityandsuburb6 жыл бұрын
"Melancholic' is quite the most perfect description for those times...!! I so enjoyed your reminiscence, I was born in 65, so that post-war austerity hung in the air like a fine drizzle... Your account took me back to those times. Hey-ho....!!
Absolutely charming! Thank you for uploading this film. I'd never heard of it and could not have enjoyed it more.
@norfolknomad Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the seaside town of Great Yarmouth 70s. This film was right up my alley. Perfect!
@wendy65124 ай бұрын
❤ films like this Delightful .. times have changed and not for the better
@missmuffet38742 жыл бұрын
Absolutely charming film. Never seen it before. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
@timothydigiuseppe1753 Жыл бұрын
Another gem from Michael Palin's remarkable career. Nice to see Allan Cuthbertson (Mr. Horrobin). Will always remember Allan as The Lawyer in Perfomance (1970 - Dir.: Donald Cammell/Nicholas Roeg).
@SojournFive Жыл бұрын
Moons and Junes and Ferris Wheels, that dizzy dancing way you feel....They don't make em like this anymore, or did we just grow up and forget what it was really like!
@sidensvans67 Жыл бұрын
The fantastic Mrs Richards from Fawlty Towers .
@bestdisco1979 Жыл бұрын
WHAT !!?
@sidensvans67 Жыл бұрын
@@bestdisco1979
@helentucker64077 ай бұрын
Lol yes! She was also a teacher in please sir I think! 👍
@nigelbevan84494 ай бұрын
Joan Sanderson.
@thumbprint71505 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading. A good depiction of the era and good acting.
@justanother-couple99273 жыл бұрын
Splendid stuff, I enjoyed it when it was first shown and haven't seen it since. Many thanks for the pleasure and the memories of life as a child, although my rememorable childhood was just a few years later than the period this is set in. I was born in the mid fifties so my memories start in the very late fifties / very early sixties but life for children was just as stultifying then.
@RUBYMUNRO5 жыл бұрын
I was 16 in 1965, had a great life.
@naradaian Жыл бұрын
“Should have had another child” “ No it’s a tanker”
@robintowns2002 Жыл бұрын
Superb evocation of the 1950s. Watched it again today - coincidentally the day when the death was announced of the wonderful John Nettleton: RIP
@garryhumphreys30543 ай бұрын
I knew John Nettleton and he once told me that 'East of Ipswich' was one of the happiest things he ever did.
@lucyflower82837 жыл бұрын
This is a cracking trip back down memory lane really enjoyed this thank-you for sharing.
@nickmccreery3869 Жыл бұрын
Just learnt of Michael Palin's wife dying my deepest condolences Michael if you read this
@daviddixey4 жыл бұрын
"There's a bottle of sherry, but I don't encourage it!!"
@keithcaffray65233 жыл бұрын
A great performance from Allan Cuthbertson as the father of one of the girls. He was Colonel Hall in the Fawlty Towers episode Gourmet Night, the one with the twitch. Can't watch this without thinking of that. Having said that this is absolutely brilliant in its own right, and I can't think of a better way to spend an hour and 20 minutes in an evening in these trying times. Pure genius, thanks to Sir Michael Palin and a wonderful cast, especially Joan Sanderson as the crabby landlady.
@dazauto14003 жыл бұрын
He sadly died in Feb 1988 a year after this film came out.
@Baskerville22 Жыл бұрын
Cuthbertson was was born in Australia in 1920 and moved to Britain 1947 after serving in the R.A.A.F. during WW2
@peterfrance702 Жыл бұрын
The wonderful Joan Sanderson!
@jamesdewane1642 Жыл бұрын
Tactless and crabby
@colinvenus3053 Жыл бұрын
It's Mrs Richards. Never turns her hearing sid on as it wears the batteries out. 😂😂😂
@kevinsenior8155 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I am not quite old enough to remember the 50s, but this seems SO authentic. Incredibly boring times, but a hint of the liberation that was coming. Great job Michael.
@williamavalon48307 жыл бұрын
A lovely, nostalgic view of a now sadly lost world!
@marconatrix7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say 'sadly'. Kids today, they wouldn't believe how limited it was back then.
@thumbprint71505 жыл бұрын
This was nostalgic, yes, and a sweet coming of age drama; but in reality those times were ghastly. Little England all buttoned up and mean-spirited. Terrible food, mostly processed (he couldn't even distinguish the flavour of the packet 'white soup'), domineering landladies / landlords in grim, grimy boarding houses (you had to stay out most of the day in some of them), adolescents with nothing to do. Rain and cold with only the odd day of sun. Enforced visits to sites of 'cultural' interest. It was all utterly drab and repressed. Victorian-era so-called respectability.
@Lydiard913 жыл бұрын
@@thumbprint7150 shut up boomer
@sthelenshistorychannel2 жыл бұрын
Not a patch on 'Wish You Were Here' from the same year. Now that was a proper film!
@deepindercheema49172 жыл бұрын
"I'm off to the toilets" . One of the great cinematic announcements. The toilets man ( Nettleton) is still alive, well 'pounded' sir.
@annalewis54435 ай бұрын
Fabulous play, brilliantly acted by all. Love getting immersed in these gentle plays about normal family life of yesteryear. Pat Heywood is one of my favourite actors, anything shes in is always very good. Thank you for the download
@Baskerville22 Жыл бұрын
John Nettleton, playing Mr Burrill here, died just 5 days ago. I remember him from Yes Minister and Midsomer Murders (the episode about the rare orchid murders)
@garryhumphreys30543 ай бұрын
I knew John Nettleton and he once told me that 'East of Ipswich' was one of the happiest things he ever did.
@jamesgeddes1572 Жыл бұрын
A brilliant movie so true I was 17 in 1962,
@SophieBird077 жыл бұрын
Good Lord. This gives me teen angst and Im 65 yrs old. Great flick.
@thumbprint71505 жыл бұрын
@Spencer Proctor You are not her!
@eunicestone8383 жыл бұрын
I was 7 years old in 1965. I am now 63 years old and still have the same boredom and angst. Lol
@SophieBird073 жыл бұрын
@Spencer Proctor ah but you don’t say where you are. Glad you are happy with yourself. Teen angst is stage we should all go through. Staying there....no.
@johnhanson5943 Жыл бұрын
At the Suffolk coast today. Takes me back quite a few years - this and that.
@peterfrance702 Жыл бұрын
Superbly evoked. Surely every viewer will note the extraordinary contrast with current culture. Yet all bar one are too polite to mention it such is their fibre and such is the pallor of our sour times.
@sashanealand8315 Жыл бұрын
wait till 10 years in the future and you'll have nostalgia for now!
@markturner42193 жыл бұрын
Brings back many happy holiday memories. I am pleased to say the only thing my parents had in common with his was that we had the same model car. :-)
@kenmccready28703 жыл бұрын
Excellent,great cast lovely film ...!!!
@pochettionschumacherjnr5230Ай бұрын
My dad is in the jazz band. He loved working on this project ... RIP dad x
@marybarratt2649 Жыл бұрын
An excellent cast, I loved it. I think Pat Heywood is brilliant in anything. Thank you for uploading.
@theresadonaghy38325 жыл бұрын
Ah, Janine Duvetski brilliant actress and comedian.
@museonfilm89192 жыл бұрын
She's great! If you can find it on KZbin, she makes a very early appearance in 'The Blackstuff' (early 1980's.) Well worth a watch.
@taooflovepassionandcomedy87225 жыл бұрын
The good old days before kids ruled the world. We were lucky with R mum and dad we went to Cleethorpes and Withernesea they are rate fun times they were.
@lefranglais11558 ай бұрын
Ah! the heartbreaking longings of adolescence! I just about remember them - 25 years before this film was made. A gem of a film. Many thanks for the reminder...
@alancollard89396 жыл бұрын
michael palin must have been there like the rest of us , i have never seen this before utterly brill this was my life in the 50,s,in the south west
@MarkHenstridge2 жыл бұрын
Well done Mr Palin, I am now late for work.....how spiffy
@stevenwilson1816 Жыл бұрын
Just watched this brilliant film again today and realised John Nettleton passed away last week, aged 94. Also Pat Heywood is still alive, aged 91.
@hughwalker5628 Жыл бұрын
Both brilliant in this. Utterly convincing. I feel like I knew the Burrills from my pre-Ottawa days in Wooburn Green.
@markstanton638 жыл бұрын
The time when the mere possibility of a knee trembler down a cobbled back street was the highlight of a holiday ... (or your life so far). It encapsulated the whole slightly torturous trials of going on holiday with your parents at that age ..... But years later you look back on those occasions with misty minded affection ...... Beautifully written and acted ...... sweet, funny, authentic ..... and not without pathos ... Thank you for uploading.
@conradmason877 жыл бұрын
Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond Ah yes the knee trembler what a wonderful concept...how well I remember the rain swept evenings down the cobbled back alley of many a hostelry with many a willing barmaid...yes... those were indeed the days of innocent pastimes.
@markstanton637 жыл бұрын
Conrad Mason You were lucky! .... I didn't get any ' back alley' action until i was in my mid 20s ... (I don't recall any cobbles).
@conradmason877 жыл бұрын
Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond I began at an early age and always found barmaids fairly susceptible, this was in the environs of Baker Street, Warren Street and the West End back streets where hostelry's were always, for some reason, cobbled?
@markstanton637 жыл бұрын
Conrad Mason Ah .... You had a fertile hunting ground at those locations. I had a traumatic experience as a naive 16 year old in the West End .... And i missed the last train back home. I did however get invited into a barn with a comely farmer's daughter whilst on holiday that summer so it evened things out. (She used the pretext of wanting to show me the newborn chicks).
@conradmason877 жыл бұрын
Yes, the West End was also, unfortunately, the hunting ground of many an unsavoury character... I to had many a close call as a young lad in the back streets of Soho...nevertheless I managed to escape their clutches and by a process of experience found many a comely lass to partake of ye olde knee trembler...those were, indeed, the days.
@punkyduck283 жыл бұрын
The English seaside....my grandparents lived near Eastbourne.Grey and pebbly but they did have a beach hut for warming cuppas! Really enjoyed this and can imagine Michael Palin on holiday with his parents ...
@Badger3454 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing I had this on dvd years ago not sure what happened to it nice to see again
@toddcott95105 жыл бұрын
Having spent many happy days in Southwold, where this was filmed, it takes me back to happy holidays , Adnams bears and fish n chip's.
@avrilcrisp57255 жыл бұрын
Regrettably Southwold is filled with arrogant London yuppies and that ilk. Still have Adnams beer and good fish and chips, some lovely tea shops and charity shops.
@toddcott95105 жыл бұрын
@@avrilcrisp5725 Sadly true, all the Norfolk coast has gone that way , Wells next the sea is a good example.
@CollaterlieSisters Жыл бұрын
Adnams isn't very good IMO.
@joannekucks43434 жыл бұрын
A charming movie. I could identify. My mom was Welsh and my dad was from Brooklyn and I grew up at the New Jersey shore. She was very strict and kept a tight leash on my younger sister and me. My dad was more lenient and he would give us money to find some adventures on the boardwalk and mini golf when we were without the parents. Several British character actors I’ve seen in other favorite shows.
@jballard24173 жыл бұрын
Gosh - I remember this when it was first screen but I didn't realise it was 34 years ago !
@robertallen28327 жыл бұрын
Joan Sanderson was a joy,as always.
@thomaswykes36475 жыл бұрын
The opening scene was filmed in Southwold looking north on the Parade. The pink house is now grey
@JackJonner Жыл бұрын
I have to watch this every now and then. 😂
@liquidsonly Жыл бұрын
Went to my girlfriend's father's wedding in Easton. Nice place. Love Suffolk, and Norfolk. Good beer too.
@KathysFlog Жыл бұрын
I loved this. Probably not quite my era ,I would have been about 10 years old. It has shades of Les Vacances de Monsieur Hulot but with dialogue. Thank you.
@s.claire85227 жыл бұрын
Love period tv series. They are the best. They don't make tv like they used to, for sure.
@rajnasarda6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Michael Palin's talent is unlimited. Thanks for uploading. 1hr 6 secs in - the scream. Hysterical!
@wingobingo Жыл бұрын
Almost Mike Leigh! Great film, never tire of it
@marypartridge5154 Жыл бұрын
I loved this as it was realistic and showed the respectable middle-class with all their fussy British ways. My parents were different as they longed to get rid of me so I was allowed to gallivant all over the country and RAF camps. No wonder Palin got into comedy you would need light relief with that lot.
@graemeyetts34653 ай бұрын
Gallivant is a rarely heard word nowadays 😅
@barbarathompson12943 жыл бұрын
Great story, fabulous cast.
@Plumduff33035 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of summer time boredom in prestatyn 1975-80 then they built the sun centre except my father wouldn't pay to go inside.. so sat outside watching the kids having fun inside. Was so glad to go back home....one year a seagull died on the beach I envied the birds ability to escape the toilet paper strewn beach.
@keithrose6931 Жыл бұрын
Happy days then !
@therange40336 жыл бұрын
Oh those wet, windy days wandering wearily wherever waiting for dinner!
@martinworld72142 жыл бұрын
Good to see Mrs Richards the other side of the reception desk !!
@geoffpoole4832 ай бұрын
And none of her guests complained about the view from their rooms.
@catdogbirds71102 жыл бұрын
Lost youth and parents that used to be so annoying back then. It's no fun being an orphan, even when you're older. When you go back there, only the sea remains the same.
@geoffjoffy7 жыл бұрын
Back in the day when they made these little films...thanks
@victorjamesireland7 жыл бұрын
The sentient Michael Palin turns melancholia into enjoyable nostalgia. Charming, intelligent, and entertaining,
@vesnahill4447 жыл бұрын
...and depressing.
@abdulseaforth6930 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed immensely
@briannumme93375 жыл бұрын
I love Richard’s grey sweater!
@davidw.robertson4485 жыл бұрын
That's really any English seaside resort at that period. I remember it well. I spent the summer in Brighton that year.
@clarehennessey3653 Жыл бұрын
Just wonderful, thank you.
@Neldidellavittoria6 жыл бұрын
Loved the guest house manager or owner. Very funny lady.
@xmillion17045 жыл бұрын
It seems like she was drawn to emulate the same Torquay hotelier which influenced John Cleese to imagined Basil Fawlty. The actor here also played a perfectly rude Mrs. Richards, in a Fawlty Towers episode.
@flybobbie14495 жыл бұрын
Headmasters secretary from "Please Sir" kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3inh357otyDkM0
@robertallen28327 жыл бұрын
Smashing film, very reminiscent of the late 1950's.
@Starchaser63 Жыл бұрын
Sad to hear about the passing of Michael's Wife , R I P 🙏
@justinwatson47923 жыл бұрын
very enjoyable film, thanks
@janeokeeffe52975 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this up,I really enjoyed it
@rodericstanley2258 Жыл бұрын
Reminded me of going to Yarmouth every year in the 50s. I got so bored I would so and sit on one of the railway stations writing down engine numbers. Sheffield, in those days (where Michael is from) had 2 weeks of holiday called "work weeks" in July, so we would get in the car and go to Yarmouth.
@geoffpoole4832 ай бұрын
Family holidays are fine until children become teenagers; that's when they turn out like this.