Eastern Bloc Surplus Pistols : Nagant, Tokarev & Makarov P-64

[@Boromonkey]

Anyone else think the Tokarev grip looks like a chocolate "Zinger?" pastry from the 70's-80's? Watch out for the Zinger-Zapper!! LOL

[@peperoni1550]

Holy shit it does lol. I can't unsee that now.

[@Michael_Smith-Red_No.5]

+Boromonkey It really does!

[@TheAmerican300WM]

Boromonkey I will never understand why some people can say "Sh** on my balls" and get 2000 likes and a actual comment that's funny will get 10 likes

[@cemwind]

Zinger is a term for a medium sized line of cocaine

[@JakeArmyRetired]

Thanks just named mine lol!

[@MilsurpMikeChannel]

I have all three (except my Tokarev is Romanian) and actually carried the P-64 for when I needed smaller carry between retiring the LC9 (due to crappy mag release) and obtaining my Glock 43. I wouldn't carry the Tokarev because I do worry about over-penetration if I ever did need to use it in a self-defense situation. 7.62x25 vs the .45acp in World War II, I once heard someone say that they were both perfect for what they were needed for. The .45 had great knockdown power, especially against lightly clothed Japanese soldiers whereas the Tokarev round was great for going through heavy layers of cold weather uniforms that were worn on the eastern front.

[@commissarpistols606]

+Milsurp Mike I wouldn't want a German great coat as "armor" vs the 45 acp.

[@MilsurpMikeChannel]

commissarpistols Neither would I.... but the 7.62x25 was really effective against multiple layers.

[@joebiernacki7346]

+Milsurp Mike Also proven to be perfect for shooting people in the back of the head.

[@hans-jurgenwiegand7465]

I also worried about over penetration, until I thought about who would who not take cover, when a shooting was taking place! This is not the “Wild West” or “Gun Smoke”. No one is going to stand in place, and Challenge someone to draw. More than likely, once the shooting starts, everyone is shooting from cover. A penetration Round might just make the difference. I carry three different calibers. But that’s just me. Different guns for different jobs!

[@sckarekrow3065]

Milsurp Mike Channel It isn’t a fucking Makarov. It is chambered in 9x18 Makarov. The P64 is a Polish gun. The “Makarov” is the PM (Pistolet Makarov) designed and built in Russia then built in Bulgaria, East Germany, and China

[@TheTulatokarev]

My grandfather had TT by "Zastava" like this, with safety lock, m57a. Without safety it is only m57 i think. And Zastava's TT holds 9 shots in magazine and one in chamber. Russian holds 8 in magazine +1 in chamber. Best regards from Serbia! :)

[@dukedude220]

7.62x38r, the uncircumcised ammunition.

[@AshGreen359]

The Tokarev is known for blowing through IIIA body armor

[@zdravkonovosel122]

True! 7,62x25 bullet is most powerful and it have speed over 500m/s. Body armor is piece of cake for that calibre.

[@TNPFan]

Have had a Tokarev for a couple of years and have yet to take it to the range without attracting attention from the flash coming out of the muzzle. Love it! Thanks for bringing some well deserved attention to three great pieces of history that can be enjoyed by everyone - while supplies last.

[@blefirearms6458]

The IJ-70 Makarov was my first pistol, I inherited from my dad when he passed. It's a pretty sweet shooter.

[@loreng7433]

I long for the days of cheap Soviet Surplus. I caught the very tail end of the golden age of surplus. I had many Soviet variants and all of these. Until about 7 years ago when this video posted, very good deals could still be had. I spent my teen years endlessly shooting these cheap guns with friends out in the back woods and on the range with my friends. Several of us got in on surplus. I cherish those memories now.

[@biggerbehindthetrigger2814]

I did armed security at the Denver show many years ago. I got to meet Charlton Heston there. He thanked me for being there to keep people safe. All the guys at the gunshop did security for it.

[@jeffreyabelson7171]

Seven years later and I found a Makarov P-64 for under $300 online. Great video, thanks!

[@poppopov9599]

Just got a Tokarev (Romanian) and have have a Makarov (Russian) for 20 years. Both are cool guns and fun to shoot, I like the unique ammo they shoot. Thanks for the review.

[@richard6133]

I carry the PA-63, the Soviet knock-off of the Walther out of the factory at Budapest. Like the one featured in this video, it is not a true Makarov either. It has an aluminum frame instead of steel, but ends up almost the same weight due to slightly longer barrel and slide. As with the other Soviet pistols in the Walther pattern, it had a 16 lb. hammer spring; the guy who designed it must have been drunk or something. I also replaced my springs with Wolff, and polished the feed ramp for defensive ammo use. The PA-63 was a great value when I bought it for $128 in the late 2000's, and mags were $13 a piece. For an extra $30+ for springs and a little DIY work, it's actually been really great. Now they go for $230 or more, and the only mags you can find are the el-cheapo quality Triple-K mags for ~$35. I love my PA-63 and I carry it everywhere I'm permitted to by law. But would I recommend buying one today? No, unless it's being bought as a piece for a collection.

[@Dorelaxen]

My M-57 is one of my favorite pistols. That little cartridge is just a beast. Wish I could get better ammo for my Nagant, though. The factory stuff is just too anemic, and of course, no hollow points.

[@RuBearUSA]

Very nice, if you added a Makarov and CZ 82 it would have made for coverage of the most common Eastern Block guns.

[@bryco32]

I had a polish Tokarev. It was a beautiful pistol and very well fit and finished. Probably had the best bluing on it this side of a older colt. I enjoyed shooting it. Unfortunately the dis connector let loose and it sent every round downrange one day in full auto scaring the crap out of me. I was lucky to find a Smith locally that would work on it. He then offered my way too much money for it and I let it go. Still kick my ass to this day about it.

[@sarahsayshello9726]

Yea bad call man haha, don't blame you though. That would be scary

[@newdefsys]

Used to own a commercial grade Bulgarian Makarov, made by Arsenal and imported by Miltex. The importer was owned by a man named Dale Stoffel, who was assassinated in Iraq after blowing the whistle on corrupt defense contractors. Mr. Stoffel's life was legendary and is worth reading about.

[@Fedupwithidoits]

Love my com block pistols! Have more of them than any other in my collection!

[@TheSushiandme]

I need to move out of CAlifornia. Can't get anything good.

[@frankmcgarry3155]

TheSushiandme yes you can. You can buy the Polish makarov and certain types of tokarevs in Ca.

[@JonJonGTA]

Frank McGarry nah don't live in CA if your pro 2A too many restrictions and people look at you like your murderer sometimes. Where i live people are more likely to be gun friendly but still not great compared to other states. I'm planning on moving in the next 2-3 years. *NO COMPROMISE!*

[@JakeArmyRetired]

I just bought a p-64 at Turners in LA for $150 sold as a historic relic...

[@w.o.v.1033]

TheSushiandme I feel for Ya , it must suck living in a communist country 👎🏼

[@AshGreen359]

You can get those in CA, They're C&R

[@gzitterspiller]

I just love the tokarev.

[@parallel-knight]

I love the Nagant well the look of it being in the uk it cost like £1000 for a deactivated one :/

[@rogue109]

I remember back in the late '80's a friend of mine picked up a slightly beat up Tokarev at a gun show for 75 bucks. The finish was slightly pitted from surface rust and the barrel was also slightly pitted but it ran really well and was accurate for pistol ranges. Wish I had picked one up then also...

[@megaben99]

out of all the guns on display in this video, The TT-33 is my favorite.

[@Ionatan667]

I have a CZ 82 that I use for summer carry (used to anyway) that I love. Hornady makes some great hollow point ammunition in 9x18.

[@rddn2425]

sootch first nice vid as usual. Maybe worth mentioning Zastava makes M70 again TT but for 9x19. I am shooting one, after 700 rounds front sight felt down, fix it with crazy glue and hammer nothing serious. Being canadian makarov is prohibited for us because of short barrel but I shot bulgarian makarov out of canada and shoots like a charm never an issue 300 rounds. I am getting post war original TT russian 7.62 still 150 Usd in canada. Just for info of your viewers .

[@reedykilowat]

Nagant.."Hey, I Here you can suppress that."

[@redneckmini14]

+Hector Defendi what is the other revolver?

[@reedykilowat]

It's a running joke...FTB TV. you should sub. good channel

[@hans-jurgenwiegand7465]

reedykilowat Great, if you like a 12lb Trigger!

[@tedebear108]

I don't want one before, but now I do!!!!. going to a Gun show tomorrow and will look for one. thanks ted

[@Ultimatecoincrazed]

No homo but I'm a really huge fan of this guy. All his videos he actually takes time to fucking really review the weapons and does great intros, obviously the best weapon reviewer on KZbin, hands down. Not some old blabbermouth that can't hold a camera right and tries to act badass like half of these assholes on KZbin. The man is BADASS without that shit. I give you mad props man.

[@marcusramirez1570]

Ultimatecoincrazed he's one of the biggest shills, his old reviews were good but the newer ones are only for entertainment. he's passes everything with no criticisms

[@KingDeppOfficialChannel]

for me the best is tokarev

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

Definitely.

[@cousinmatt7685]

Terrific video.. just picked up a Romanian TT-C and an East German Mak at a gun show.. really love them both and dig the cool history behind them.. thank you!! Now just gotta find the revolver, but I bet it’s gonna cost a ton today.. thanks again for the vid! Cheers!

[@zdravkonovosel122]

I have M57 7,62x25 Tokarev,Yugoslavian made. That calibre have so much power it goes trough body armor level 3 protection.

[@walthermauser5161]

Pround owner of Zastava M57,that 7.62 is a powerful thing!

[@aeoo371]

I had a P64 that I put the wolfe springs in. It still was to uncontrollable to shoot . I also own a M1895 Nagant revolver it is fun to shoot. I highly recommend getting some surplus ammunition as it still is cheaper and better than the box stuff. Now as the Tokarev pistol I purchased one for my son a couple of Christmas ago . It is the Romanian one . It is a very fun gun to shoot with surplus ammunition.

[@terry8965]

Great video! I love those Tokarevs. You were lucky though, The Tokarev I got from Classic firearms was a POS that broke the firing pin on first magazines worth of rounds. I paid an extra $20 for hand picked and it looked nothing like other people's Hand Picks from them - the bluing was worn on the corners and plastic on grips was chipped and the barrel was honestly the WORST pitted mess I have ever seen. They were lazy and sent me crap and pocketed my money - probably laughed at me too for being stupid enough to give them the extra 20 for hand picked. I have no use for them - they were dishonest with me in the first and only purchase I made from them

[@Tornadoes67]

LOVE my P-64......carry it daily . The DA trigger pull got a lot better after about 300 rounds......maybe I just got lucky with mine but didn't have to buy the kit.

[@jammor66]

I have two friens here in Canada that have 7.62×25 Makarov's. Very snappy!!!!

[@Elhombresanchez]

Hands down my favorite episode.

[@LorSTApunk07]

I bought a Tula Nagant revolver for around $76 when they first came in. Had it for awhile but disliked the sharp, stinging, report and the scarcity/price of the ammo. Bought a Hungarian F.E.G. PA-63 in 9x18 around the same time, and love it!

[@danielboydcooper6850]

I may have to invest in a Tokerov

[@AK47Prepper]

I own all three. I really wish your review was with an actual Makrov rather than a copy... I love em all... I just wish the 7.62x25 wasn't so expencive to shoot. I love that round

[@billblount5955]

I have two of the three. If I ever see the Nagant it will be mine

[@kevins1114]

I like the CZ-52. Mine has been rebarrelled to .38 Super, and it does NOT fail.

[@alexgottmituns7049]

Don't forget the CZ-82 was a complete departure (just as the Radom-64 was) from the typical Makarov handgun style.

[@pebear]

The Russians came out with a 380 acp 9X17 version of the Makarov for civilian sales in the 90's. Clinton put an end to their imports. I picked one up brand new for 250 around 92 or so. The only differences between the 380 and the 9X18 versions are, 1. Rear adjustable sight and 2 the barrel. They both use the same magazine and the frame and everything is the same.

[@The-Bad-Boyscout]

I have a Bulgarian Makarov. Bought from Classic Firearms last year. It's in near mint condition. Great shooter and the ammo is readily available. Probably wouldn't carry it due to the tiny sights and it's a little heavy for CCW but otherwise really like the pistol. Magazines for that pistol can come and go so, if you decide to buy the gun get extra magazines at the same time or you'll be looking at nearly $50 for a surplus mag when the supply dries up.

[@olgadachdecker7754]

Ah, makarov the first pistol I ever shot. Was my dads duty pistol...must have been 5 or 6 at that time. I still like it even if it's not the finest pistol out there.

[@warywolfen]

In order to suppress the Nagant, it must be used with the correct ammo, which has a case that's longer than the cylynder. The reason the cylinder moves forward, is to push the case mouth into the barrel, forming a gas-tight seal.

[@toomanyaccounts]

+Clyde Wary Which the nagant ammo does. Its when you use other calibers that the seal is non existant

[@normanhorton9898]

I never knew you were a fellow South Carolinian, good to know.

[@Sebasuk1985]

I know you added the P64. I would have liked to have seen the makarov included in the video or another pistol like the P64 that also fires the 9x18 round. Another great video.

[@charleslarson3152]

A solid review on three solid firearms!!

[@unconsciousrider851]

Sootch, I like the video man but I have one thing too add about the M-57. My buddy carries one religiously, well he dropped it in the normal cocked and locked position in a restroom, it went off. Blew a hole in his holster and narrowly missing his foot. The safety was defeated, by that I mean the safety was still in the safe position, just a word of caution, I wouldn't carry it cocked an locked. Hope that helps some one who wants to carry it.

[@sarahsayshello9726]

Disheartening but fair

[@TheEntertainmentguro]

Visiting this 4 years later and somehow the tokarev has gone down slightly yet the other two have gone up quite a lot. Nagants are easily double what they were, and p34's are up to the 350-400 range. At least there's some bulgarian makarovs on the market for 350 now

[@Sebasuk1985]

I would have liked to have seen the makarov added in the video. Great presentation as always.

[@sootch00]

+sebastian wright Agreed. I have a Bulgarian Makarov on the way from AIM Surplus. Review to follow.

[@peperoni1550]

Great presentation sootch. I love that Tokarev.

[@jimbeams5431]

Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered a P-64 from Classic.

[@DrMcFuggles1]

Have all three already. Very nice handguns. Nice, video too!

[@himlowodinmire1333]

Nagant coming in soon, all i need is a Makarov and my collection is set!

[@JayBruceWorld]

I just ordered a tt-33 for 230 dollars Canadian. Can't wait for it to be delivered to my house.

[@pacocandano]

The makarov rocks!!!! Regards, I admire your channel very much.

[@drmaudio]

My list is longer than my pocket is deep, but I would like to someday have a collection of com-bloc guns.

[@MegaChuck51]

I owned a PA-63 from Chekslovokia in 9X18

[@J-Bibble]

Sadly I don't think we can get the Makarov in Canada as I think it's length makes it prohibited. We can get the TT/M57 however, including the version with no safety which is kinda neat.

[@peterpiper_203]

Once again another fine well spoken video executed by you sir Thanks for your time

[@warywolfen]

Actually, a blow-back action produces less felt recoil than a recoil operated action, such as a the Browning design. The recoil design kicks harder, because the unlocking block slams back against the frame. To acually do a one-on-one comparison, though, you'd need pistols in the same caliber, of indentical weights.

[@williammichaelsexton]

So envious of all your surplus firearms.

[@Dave.S.TT600]

Very interesting. Great review as usual. Thanks sootch00!

[@DeePsix501]

Cool vid +Sootch00 and great to see them all side by side. You need to get your hands on a PPQ45!

[@SCVGun]

Ibought one of the Nagants when they were cheap. But picked up just today a Hungrian FEG PA63. It was extremely cheap. Now to finda 2nd mag

[@gunenthusiast9201]

Pretty sweet

[@sootch00]

+Gun Enthusiast Thanks

[@2aEdu]

Nice video. Just a quick note. The P64 is not a Makarov. It is a Walther PPK clone.

[@dylanwight5764]

I like that Tokarev, but the rear sights are a little higher than I'd want on a carry pistol.

[@boza128]

sootch, first, great video as always. Best gun reviews on youtube, but for your info, Serbia (once part of Yugoslavia) was not part od Eastern Block. It was not part of NATO or Warsaw pact. It was a member, and founding country of Non-Aligned Movement. Yugoslav army used weapons from east and west (Patton tanks, and AK rifles, F-86 Sabre with Russian made rockets, etc). We adopted and made Russian based small arms with high quality materials only because it suited Yugoslav People's Army military doctrine. Keep up the good work!

[@jamessingleton5800]

I love the tokarev, been looking for the right deal on the Nagant and makarov!!

[@srspower]

Whilst the engineering is different in places, especially with the nagant, aesthetically they look like copies of the PP7, the 1911 and the webley service revolver.

[@J_dubby]

Really like that P64!!

[@spiritnexus999]

I'd love to add these to my collection.

[@toomanyaccounts]

The original TT-33 had no safety and was carried unchambered since a chambered tt-33 was notorious for discharge when carried. Hence police and military forces had to train to pull then rack the slide when needed to potentially fire. Of course when they had to reholster they had to unchamber the round. When a replacement came along the tt-33s were very quickly taken out of service.

[@Seth9809]

Source?

[@toomanyaccounts]

world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/rus/tokarev-tt-e.html

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

I almost guarentee discharges was because of lack of trigger disclipline. Even without a safety, it is very hard to cause a tokarev to have an AD.

[@toomanyaccounts]

Well here is the thing. Cavarly units for a long time didn't carry semi autos because a chambered semi auto would go off in the holster due to the motions of the horse. It is why revolvers were used. Loaded guns when carried on someone's back have discharged when they were climbing up and down a tree stand. It is why there are hunting regulations that you cannot have the shotgun or rifle chambered until you are actually ready to fire. www.kegisland.com/tokarev-tt-33-tips.html In fact you may want to ask a gunsmith about the firing pin because the original soviet one is claimed to rest on the primer of the bullet. Meaning if the hammer gets bumped it can transfer the force of the impact to the primer .This is a problem with a lot of antique revolvers before they put in an important safety feature. A number of repros of these guns in fact state do not carry with the hammer on a live round because being bumped could cause the hammer to hit the primer.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

The M16/AR firing pin also rests on the primer and floats freely. It is also heavier, but an AR won't AD even if you bump it. Shame and embarassment causes a lot of people to shift the blame on the gun when user error is at fault. Just like "it went off when I was cleaning it".

[@bippie23456]

Another home run Smootch! Keep'm comin'! Please...... make a blooper episode! ;-)

[@Quiett55]

Great Vid @Sootch00! Awesome!

[@Onesize17]

Great vid as always, very informative. Orig. m-57 in my safe, I sold my P64- horrible trigger, and too snappy. I prefer the P-83, much nicer Mak. chambered gun. I never had a Nagant, ammo too expensive, and too loose internal mechanics. Never found one that I felt safe shooting either. Blowback .40 and 45 acp guns are made by HiPoint by the way.

[@sleestalk]

CZ 82 is hands down the best of eastern block Makarov variant.

[@WKZworks]

If you like Walthers and the 9x18 Makarov caliber, you should get yourself a PA-63 sometime.

[@1madmax22]

Damn, membership has its privileges huh? No offense, you certainly earned it Sootch.

[@larryjones6049]

Love the tokarev smokin , about 1400 fps.

[@thenotoriousvlog5986]

Awesome definitely a nice little collection there

[@MSRLR]

Monarch? So its cheap, burns harsh and hurts in the morning? Gotcha

[@julianm9014]

ever going to see that P64 wolff spring install video again? was a nice high quality video until it disappeared...

[@andywilson8698]

Worse comes to worse the nagant revolver can 32 long and the makarov can fire 380. Would recommend on making it a normal practice but can be done .shoot about 150, 380 out my makarov, no major issue, the 380 case just deforms ever so slightly.

[@ultramagajackson3675]

I own the first two, I've never shot the makarov, the nagant revolver is ridiculous, I understand it was a weapon to police the troops then but it's heavy pull and gutless bullet seems pointless, now the tokerev is awesome, just wish ammo was readily available, surplus is about gone

[@Jesses001]

The M57 is still in production, so you should not see the big price increase like others. That is assuming they will not be banned of course. I expect them to stay about the same much longer then the other two for sure. I really wanted a Nagant, but somehow I never was able to get a hold of them, and now the inventory has dried up. Ugg, what a shame. Maybe I will get lucky.

[@genericusername769]

I have a 1944 Nagant and a .32 ACP cylinder for it aswell. hardy little revolver for sure

[@TheSkylineGODZILLA]

i damn love the tokorew and makarow , its a must way not weapon for 200 bucks its a BARTER! it would be stupied to ask just for one of those or want just one because both for around 400 bucks is a present gift for someone himself haha!

[@johnwizeman3894]

I had a P64 and friggin hated it. I love all the other Makarovs, but not the p64

[@ronludwig9750]

Great job as normal , keep up the videos we can depend on !!!!

[@johnlos1132]

Love the P-64.

[@SturgeonMD]

Great video! I finally subscribed.

[@Nattleby]

Just picked up a minty Bulgy Mak. Came with the arsenal log book which was empty.

[@VIDgamesLover]

The Nagant revolver round only goes 650 fps with 91 ft pounds? It doesnt seem like it would be very good at putting down an enemy charging at you with a bayonet with adrenaline pumping.

[@FLYINhawaiian888]

Need a Makarov ASAP, but I live in Hawaii and 9x18 is not available at all here. Unless you reload it. I need to move to the mainland...

[@dfcvda]

I wish I could get one in England.

[@duartesimoes508]

I wish I could buy one in Portugal. The Tokarev is actually on sale here, but almost no citizen is allowed to buy them. You must be a policeman, high ranking officer, judge, MP or something like that. Even to buy a .22 handgun you'll have truckloads of trouble and red tape...

[@emperorpalpatine1228]

Well, you get what you vote for 🤷‍♂️

[@MrJamesconn]

I'd like to see a doublestack 7.62x25 maybe an m&p

[@philthiac]

I know the Nagant revolver can be fired with a suppressor on it due to the unique cylinder design, but I was wondering what other revolvers can be fired suppressed successfully?