The thirds with the melodic line doubled at the octave is a wonderful touch; and when there's a unison on the melodic in conjunction with the previous function is just plain marvelous. What finesse.
@yourcreativechord6 жыл бұрын
Best orchestration tutorial I've seen online! Thank you!
@OrchestrationOnline3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your very kind words, Jenny!
@beefheart6667 жыл бұрын
Lets Orchestrate instead of Lets Play?
@kylej.whitehead-music3096 жыл бұрын
love Dances of The Dolls and love what you've done with it. Your channel alongside Oscar Piston's book have been invaluable for me as I start to get into larger works. You're doing a terrific service for those of us who started late and couldn't receive a proper musical education and are muddling through by ourselves.
@jorgestramusic4 жыл бұрын
Just wonderful Thomas!... Great seeing you explain the process Piano-to-Orchestra, more of this please and thank you!
@marceloramirezg.39655 жыл бұрын
"The dance of the giant MARSHMALLOW". hahaha
@rodterrell3044 жыл бұрын
4 hours??? It would take me 50 years to do this and I’m 61, it ain’t gonna happen. Great job sir
@gabrielheiser4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Thomas! That was great to watch, the "inside scoop," as it were.
@dillonmderosa6 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, great video. Question, i believe it was this video you mentioned that Tenuto on strings, to think of a "Zoom" sound and thats how it sounds in real life. I think this is genius and was wondering if you had any other ideas/sounds of how tenuto sounds on Brass and Winds and how that differs/compares to strings tenuto. Tenuto has always kind of confused me on the difference in sound and your "Zoom" reference was brilliant for me. Now while listening to Rach's 2nd symphony 3rd movement, I really hear those tenuto markings in the strings. Thanks!
@kurtkaufman6 жыл бұрын
Very nice arrangement, and thank you so much for showing your work procedure as well as explaining how you made your choices! One thing I noticed was that at measure 45 the violas and especially the cellos have to suddenly switch from arco to pizz, as well as jump from the high A# to a (first position) G. This may be possible at a very slow tempo, but as a section leader (perhaps there are only a couple of desks of cellos at most in a typical theater orchestra) I might have instructed the cellists to play divisi, with one half dropping out after the first beat or so of measure 44, in order to come in on the pizz at 45. I note that the first beat is "covered" by the bass and the tuba anyway, so it might not be critical. As a cellist however, this is the sort of thing that leaves us asking "What was the composer/orchestrator thinking?" Some really nice touches: I like the way you "prep" the listener for an approaching change of instrument timbre or range (as that starting at m134 in the flutes); The repeated accompanying 8th note figures added to the score starting at m69 in the viola recall the center section of the piece (starting at m36) and create a subtle contrast with the opening version of the same material (i.e. the beginning of the piece); The scale figure played by the cellos in m72 and afterwards follows the shape of the beginning of the melody and provides a slight feeling of a "round". You've performed a tremendous service in showing us some of your "tricks of the trade". Thank you!
@kevinloughman39533 жыл бұрын
Excellent workmanship and explanation. Thank you.
@TheJohnblyth7 жыл бұрын
Lovely way to spend an hour. Highly instructive. Thanks.
@williamhartmann436 Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you. Question, please You poiunted out enharmonics a few times, like how you used an E# for tuba and an F for timpani (3 bars before C). What was the reason for that, rather than just using an F in both places?
@chrisharrison8097 жыл бұрын
This great help man. Thanks for your work
@JoelEverettComposer7 жыл бұрын
Very helpful; thanks for taking the time to share this.
@ShorkGamer7 жыл бұрын
I loved ur orchestration. I really enjoyed to listen to it. I think Shostakovich would have orchestrated it in the same way. As a study you could show, how Korsakov orchestrated the Opera Prince Igor of Borodin; this may be a good example of how the Masters did it, maybe there are things to learn from it.
@AndrewKesler7 жыл бұрын
Always look forward to your new videos! thanks for putting this together, and really learn a lot from this concept. Would be great to see more of this type of video making orchestrations from piano pieces or reductions, even if it's just short segments. Really practical tutorial!
@OrchestrationOnline7 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew! Check out my orchestration of Edvard Grieg's "Tak," also on this channel.
@AndreasvanHaren7 жыл бұрын
This was a very nice video to watch, thanks so much!
@OumiKapilaMusic7 жыл бұрын
fun and colorful orchestration. Great video
@composerdoh4 жыл бұрын
Did they ever make any video of this? I'd love to hear the final product.
@GoOKuSj337 жыл бұрын
This is cool, i just think you made a mistake leaving out the 4th horn, let the guy double another horn maybe 8vb or something, as a musician it's terrible getting a job and then knowing that you won't get a part, as a composer i always want to make sure everybody can play and add to the music, even just doubling a part makes a difference in the sound.
@OrchestrationOnline7 жыл бұрын
Actually, Saito, there are other performances coming up that my score may well be used for that only have three horns - in which case, my score has a greater chance of being performed again. And in the case of this performance, there are two other main pieces that both have four horns, so no one is getting left out. But that is not my concern anyway, and my scoring is in no way a mistake in my eyes. I scored exactly what they asked me to, and my clients are all very happy about it. That's what counts for me after decades as a pro orchestrator. :)
@gabriellucena62913 жыл бұрын
Thank you and congratulations, Thomas! A thing that I found to be helpful and time saving is to look for trustworthy midi files of the original music, of course there shouldn't be any of copyrighted material, but
@GSunNo4 жыл бұрын
That's gorgeous :clapping:
@penguinexpress124 жыл бұрын
Now Shosty can show us how to do Tahiti trot in an hour!
@fedebruera4 жыл бұрын
Muy bueno!! Yo aprendo mucho con estos videos. Felicitaciones!
@sreepurammike3 жыл бұрын
Thomas your music is Rich Very Rich
@Kris9kris7 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of The Rosenkavalier with this orchestration
@federicotoscano76507 жыл бұрын
Loved this video! It really helps up. I would love to see other piano-transcription of more complex piano pieces (I enjoyede also the Ravel series)
@maxtofone7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this informative video... Are you using Note Performer 1.5 for playback directly from Sibelius in this video demonstration? Cheers, Max
@EverydayBassdotcom7 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos. I will look into the Patreon subscription. Thanks again.
@Eliazer4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, it’s great. Are the celli missing a G# 3 after E?
@FilipSandecomposer7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a another great lesson on orchestration! And Your orchestration is very good work for sure. I was only wondering if one could let the bassoons play the 8. figures by the rehearsal mark G instead of the celli and violas for the sake of variation and while the staccato character of the figure is very well soothed for the bassons. And I was also wondering if one also could place a drum roll on the last climax before the cymbal splashes. And would it be useful with som grace-notes added to the flute part the last bars from rehearsal mark I just to add a little crispyness along with the triangle strokes? These are just some ideas I had. Your orchestration is truly very spot-on and well suited for the purpose of these comission, it is wise to make it simple, and I am sure Shostakovitsch would have orchestrated it much in the same manner. Thanks again for all your lessons. Very inspiring.
@OrchestrationOnline7 жыл бұрын
I'm sure that a piece like this could be satisfyingly orchestrated in a number of ways, Filip.
@bencostello74357 жыл бұрын
Shostakovich devotee writing a thesis on his ballet music here. Just wondering why the orchestra decided to commission a new orchestration when the piece in its original orchestration (from the Ballet "The Bright Stream" and later reorchestrated by Lev Avtom'ian for the 2nd Ballet suite and then reduced to piano for Dance of the Dolls by the same arranger) is available. I'd guess that it might not be apparent that Dance of the Dolls is a reduction of a reorchestration of part of a full ballet (with slightly modified last few measures). Anyway, thank you for the excellent videos!
@OrchestrationOnline7 жыл бұрын
That's a very good point, Ben. The answer is the context of its use by our circus acrobats who'll be performing it. They want a version that's more of a concert music variety show than a ballet excerpt - one that is similar to the version they already practice to - and also for the orchestra, one that won't take months to source score and parts. You're very welcome, thanks for watching! :)
@ZacPB1897 жыл бұрын
3rd Ballet Suite, not the 2nd.
6 жыл бұрын
Video of that piece of the 3rd Ballet Suite: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpCvh6CNp916eKM
6 жыл бұрын
After listening to it I must say that Thomas is absolutely right: that Shostakovich-style orchestration is the exact opposite of discrete; it powerfully draws the attention even with these simple, light-hearted kind of themes.
@torterrakart72497 жыл бұрын
The doublestops non div. on the violas from 5:06 are, in my opinion, unnecesarily risky. I'm curious, why didn't you put them divisi?
@OrchestrationOnline7 жыл бұрын
The violists that I work with are all professional, and would see those double-stops as fairly straightforward rather than risky.
@evanpyne44266 жыл бұрын
They easy boi
@sebastianzaczek6 жыл бұрын
Open A string + 2nd finger on D string, 1st finger on D string + 2nd finger on A string if i See that correctly... So they're fairly simple indeed
@yoavshati3 жыл бұрын
Aren't the doll's dances miniatures of Shostalovich's ballet suites? If they are, then there should be an already orchestrated version by Shostakovich himself, so you could have had an easier job
@OrchestrationOnline3 жыл бұрын
But what fun would that be? Also, as I say in the video, this arrangement was done specifically for a particular orchestral instrumentation and acrobat performance. So a fresh orchestration may have been indicated in spite of everything (and there seem to be several out there).
@elzoog7 жыл бұрын
How much would you charge to look over an orchestration and comment on it?
@grocheo17 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot
@whycantiremainanonymous80916 жыл бұрын
I was wondering: If you really want to go all in on the cliche, why not give the bass part consistently to the Tuba from the beginning?
@OrchestrationOnline6 жыл бұрын
I'll leave that to other orchestrators. All I can do is seek perfection of genre along my own lines of thought (and also I think it would lessen the impact of the tuba to overuse it). But I would observe that it may be fatal to think in terms of "cliché" - if we think we are above something, it may be more difficult to truly pay it homage, not to mention bring something new to it that makes it even more compelling. When I get a commission of something like this, I think "that's how it's been done, now here is how I'm going to do it." I don't waste any time over worrying about the context of its originality - because it's my job to make it fresh and compelling if I can. That's where my motivation is.
@sashakindel36007 жыл бұрын
They updated the Sibelius sound library? For Sibelius 8? I've tried to find out about that before, but didn't find anything that clearly stated as much on the Avid website at the time. Man, though...it already took up a third of my hard drive. Half would be quite something. Regarding tenuto, what exactly does the marking mean to a timpanist? In a passage that has both tenuto and non-tenuto notes, presumably the tenuto ones will be very slightly louder than the non-tenuto ones, but less so than if they were marked with accents. Beyond that, it's hard to imagine what physical variable the timpanist might manipulate. It's kind of surprising that the triangle sounds aren't amazing. Triangle seems like just the kind of instrument sound sets can usually nail, even if they don't nail anything else.
@SpaghettiToaster7 жыл бұрын
Have you tried noteperformer yet? 1gb and, to me, ended up sounding better than sib sounds more often than not.
@sashakindel36007 жыл бұрын
I haven't, but I've heard so much about it that I'll certainly considered it once I'm in the market for some new sounds.
@SpaghettiToaster7 жыл бұрын
You can go download it right now. They have a fully functional 30-day trial and you can extend it forever by downloading it every month. The only restriction is that it won't let you export to audio, but you can just record it lossless with audacity during playback.
@doctorstrange27362 жыл бұрын
Can someone please list all the software he is using to do this? Which is the software for orchestration mock up?
@OrchestrationOnline2 жыл бұрын
Just ask me directly, my friend. The mockup is NotePerformer, the application is Sibelius.
@doctorstrange27362 жыл бұрын
@@OrchestrationOnline Wow! Thank you so much dear Sir. I cannot put into words the admiration I have for your efforts. Your channel is a blessing. Could you please do a video about how you input notes in Sibelius in just 8 hrs so perfectly . Would be of great help. May you be blessed.
@sergiocondessa7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your amazing videos. I'm starting to arrange and you are helping me a lot. Could you do a video about orchestrating for a Brass Band (the british instrumentation)? Thank you again!
@AndreyRubtsovRU6 жыл бұрын
A very nice orchestration. Russian school would probably favour more doubling notes where there are not enough harmony, not just leaving instruments to have rests.
@bonbonpony5 жыл бұрын
What microphone do you use for recording your voice? It seems (sounds?) to be of good quality.
@OrchestrationOnline5 жыл бұрын
Hi Bon Bon! I use a Blue Spark mic, which has a pattern a lot like the old Neumann broadcasting mics. It picks up a lot of mouth noise, but otherwise is a very easy mic signal to listen to.
@bonbonpony5 жыл бұрын
@@OrchestrationOnline I had a feeling that this is one of the "Blue" ones ;) But my bet was on Blue Yeti. Yeah, both are good ones. OK thanks for your reply.
@doctorstrange27362 жыл бұрын
@@OrchestrationOnline Hello Sir. Love your channel. Could you please make a video about the software you uae to accomplish this daunting task so brilliantly. Which softqare do you use to make the mock up and how do you input the notes.
@juancruzgigliani47784 жыл бұрын
Hello! What sound library do you use in Sibelius? I love your job.
@OrchestrationOnline4 жыл бұрын
Hi Juan! Here, I'm using NotePerformer, which is very low-cost and low intensity RAM, but with satisfying sounds for quick demo purposes.
@juancruzgigliani47784 жыл бұрын
@@OrchestrationOnline Great! But I'm from Argentina, and I need to know how much it costs and how much RAM I might need.
@todo-bandoneon4 жыл бұрын
@@juancruzgigliani4778 "i need to know"... y buscalo en google. por qué pretendés que la gente haga el trabajo por vos? con 2 clics estás en la página de NotePerformer
@juancruzgigliani47784 жыл бұрын
Y por qué te metés si no hablo con vos? Jaja
@fluteskrillex787 жыл бұрын
what sound template do you use for Sibelius?
@OrchestrationOnline7 жыл бұрын
NotePerformer from Wallander.
@DanieleNasutiComposer7 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, I'm an italian composer and songwriter. I learn a lot from your videos, so thank you very much!!! I'm writing you because I need a feedback from musicians at your level, so can I ask you to listen my song and tell me what do you think about, and if you have some advice for me? This would be very helpful… I send you the link in a private message...
@MrHestichs6 жыл бұрын
In my head i heard something silly...having tuba and bass trombone playing the 1 and the 2 trombones playing the ompapa chords. And the melody in the oboe.
@LoCoZappers7 жыл бұрын
that can only be dmitri shostakovich in the image...
@skyfire34987 жыл бұрын
hello sir can you please orchestrate hans zimmer or john williams
@skyfire34987 жыл бұрын
Elise Sue-Lin Everdeen haha sorry i mean can you please analyse hans zimmer's or john william's orcheatration?