Hand Laminate & Vacuum Bag a Simple Carbon Fibre Part (inc. Vacuum Cleaner method!)

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Easy Composites Ltd

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@asdfjkl981
@asdfjkl981 4 жыл бұрын
Sir. You my respect for showing us how even the biggest hillbilly can do this in his barn. I salute you.
@phillipwilkinson6436
@phillipwilkinson6436 4 жыл бұрын
The addition of showing how to use simple household equipment as well as the 'professional' methods make it so much more accessible. I have just placed an order to start working on using cf to reinforce an aluminium structure!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Philip, that's good to hear. We are aware that most of our recent videos have been towards the more commercial end of methods and equipment and so we're making a conscious effort to 'check back in' on some of the most realistic, and still fantastically effective, basic techniques. The ones that got us into this business in the first place :)
@mickcoomer9714
@mickcoomer9714 4 жыл бұрын
Phillip Wilkinson. Sorry mate, you can’t use cf to strengthen aluminium. Cf can only bend about 1.8% before failing, far less than aluminium. You can use the Aluminum as shape the cf but you will need to make the cf layup strong enough to work without the aluminium. At this point the Aluminum can be ditched.
@phillipwilkinson6436
@phillipwilkinson6436 4 жыл бұрын
@@mickcoomer9714, the intention is to create a carbon fibre 'lug' to join two bonded aluminium tubes together. The idea is to get around trying to weld thinner aluminium. However I am very interested in your input before I start practicing!
@ulbuilder
@ulbuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Make sure you insulate the carbon fiber from the aluminum to prevent galvanic corrosion. A layer of fiberglass between the aluminum and carbon fiber is one method to achieve this.
@AlisterRobbie
@AlisterRobbie 2 жыл бұрын
thanks Phillip. I'm in the same boat. As a beginner, this video has helped encourage me to take the step towards vacuum work at a cost effective level. very cool.
@withheld566
@withheld566 4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the inclusion of the "el cheapo" options here, that made this video far more useful to me and Id of thought a lot of others. Good work
@lucasmoreno5330
@lucasmoreno5330 4 жыл бұрын
Guys, I must say your vids are some of the highest execution and quality for tutorials on KZbin.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Julian :)
@saardean4481
@saardean4481 Жыл бұрын
Such a pleasure to watch your tutorials. When someone likes what they are doing it never looks boring. You sir are an artist
@denisbassom172
@denisbassom172 4 жыл бұрын
The more I watch your videos, the easier it looks! Getting very close to giving a starter kit a go! Thanks.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, it must be time by now Denis; take the plunge.
@millerchassis6119
@millerchassis6119 4 жыл бұрын
Give it a go Dennis I’m not very good at it But it’s like a challenge And I enjoy the excitement when you take it out of the mold (It’s usually got imperfections :( One day I’ll do a perfect carbon fibre job one day Came really close the other day
@chrisgenovese8188
@chrisgenovese8188 2 жыл бұрын
just started working with carbon fiber after being subbed to this channel for well over a year. your tutorials are among the best on this platform, so many thanks!
@deborahduthie4519
@deborahduthie4519 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t matter what the design or what object, I like watching all types of creativity. The application of methods of production and product applications, give new clues that I can apply to my craft. Everyone has words of wisdom or new products that were designed to remedy a problem, that I occasionally come to in my own craft. Carbon Kevlar Handbag with Sterling Silver fittings and strap. Sounds really nice to me using your model mould making process. Thank-you.
@SAYYAM55
@SAYYAM55 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are always so well produced! Thank you for making them!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks; we certainly put a lot of effort into both the content and the production. All credit to our new video guy Kyle who's edited all of these latest tutorials.
@abj9121
@abj9121 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah they make any video you want on craiglist too. ☺️
@deanpodolsky
@deanpodolsky 4 жыл бұрын
Easy Composites Ltd Yeah Kyle rocks but just as important is the clarity of the presentation and information, both of which you nail every time. Keep it up!
@elkhatirielmekki9655
@elkhatirielmekki9655 3 жыл бұрын
Ma Ma
@sorte18
@sorte18 4 жыл бұрын
The teaching is so good! Even without any projects to use this knowledge, we still enjoy watching it. Here are a few suggestions / tips to make it even better: Add the costs to the video (text is fine); show the parts being used in real applications; after it's done, test the parts that are subject to stress to show weight reduction and performance.
@doubleT84
@doubleT84 2 жыл бұрын
Costs will change and people will complain. The video is good as is and you can find the costs easily on their website.
@thesighbored
@thesighbored 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever you're feeling stressed, just gaze at the mesmerizing carbon fiber weave.
@rprata23
@rprata23 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations for the quality and the content of the video tutorials produced by Easy Composites. They sit far beyond the shallow product promotion videos found in the internet and show your commitment to provide proper education about the use of composite materials. In the same line of your "car bonnet" tutorial, I kindly suggest the preparation of a video showing aspects related to the selection of the most appropriate materials for each different purpose. As an example, you could take a bike frame or part of a simple car chassis, showing where, why and how to use materials like uni and multidirectional carbon fiber, Kevlar, hybrid materials and how to estimate the necessary number of layers, etc. I wish you success and please keep doing this excellent job.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ronaldo. Certainly we'd like to do some videos going into more detail on material selected and in fact we're working on a new video series right now which calls for comparing different types of coatings and different types of reinforcement (Kevlar, Innegra, Carbon, Diolen) for a particular application. These videos should be coming out in about a month and then we'll also try to include more on this in the future too.
@reginaldhuckstable9797
@reginaldhuckstable9797 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully starting a new job soon with composites. Super nervous but these videos are bring back all my old knowledge I learned years ago
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear Cali, good luck with the new job.
@NorthForkFisherman
@NorthForkFisherman 2 жыл бұрын
There have been a lot of improvements in materials and the processes since I worked with these materials. Love seeing how easy it is now for even the beginner to get started with composite parts.
@LiftoffLumberjack
@LiftoffLumberjack Жыл бұрын
What made it so much more difficult in the past?
@NorthForkFisherman
@NorthForkFisherman Жыл бұрын
@@LiftoffLumberjack Temperature sensitivity and stability of the materials. Longer shelf-life. Better tools. What was once an exotic material to work with has now become commonplace. And I just love that.
@Snoop.Driftera
@Snoop.Driftera 3 жыл бұрын
Remember me, asking about colored fabrics? Here you showed exactly what i needed. A blue kevlar /carbon fabric. Exactly what i wanted!!! Now i'm pretty sure i'll order it from you in future.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment, I'm glad the video was what you needed! Our decorative Carbon Fibre reinforcements can be located on our website here; www.easycomposites.co.uk/decorative-carbon-fibre
@dr1311
@dr1311 3 ай бұрын
Very nice indeed. This answered my earlier question regarding not using the resin infused method. Great work guys. Will be in touch soon.
@nicholasmihail9270
@nicholasmihail9270 4 жыл бұрын
Love the step by step, in depth details in your videos, im in the US and will still purchase your products because of these videos, ill be making my first order in the next week or so, thank you!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Ni Nicholos, thank you very much for your support. We'll continue to make these tutorials and help share the knowledge. Your support helps us to do that :)
@rikunevalainen8154
@rikunevalainen8154 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I have laminated tons of cold-laminate but never tried any vacuum molding....this video was excellent how-to-do-it !
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Riku, glad you found it useful and keep an eye out for some of our other videos :)
@angus3963
@angus3963 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the vacuum cleaner demo, this is great for first timers, myself included!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
That's great Angus, we certainly want to help people starting out just as much as those pushing the boundaries. Good luck with it.
@hondanickx
@hondanickx 4 жыл бұрын
Well i made my first carbon fiber parts with the vacuum storage bag and got great results with it.I also posted this on the talkcomposites website. Great to see the combination of vacuum cleaner and the storage bag gives the proper vacuum level for the wet lay up.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and the talkcomposites post; I think I did see that post :) - Paul must have done more than 100 tests trying to find the perfect vac level and bagging combination for wet-lay vacuum bag; we were trying to crack it completely and get perfect results. We never quite got there but it's really very close!
@EddickC2D
@EddickC2D 4 жыл бұрын
Great having you back with videos, truly educational content! Thumbs up if you want guys to create videos like "Top mistakes to avoid in composites making" or "Top X best practices for comosites making" You have already mentioned lots of things in your videos, but could be nice to gather all these dos/dont's in separate videos, cheers!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Great ideas. We do have some slightly similar videos in mind but I really do like the idea of both a top tips and a classic mistakes video. They're going on the list!
@jonathanhernandez90
@jonathanhernandez90 4 жыл бұрын
I used this method a few years back to create our college’s high altitude balloon payload and it worked wonderfully.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jonathan, sounds like a good college project!
@jonathanhernandez90
@jonathanhernandez90 4 жыл бұрын
Easy Composites Ltd Thank you, it was great experience. Now our college team is looking to be the first student lead team to engineer a liquid propelled rocket to 100 Km🚀
@felixcat9318
@felixcat9318 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are beginning to make me feel like I could use carbon fibre or fibreglass and a pvc foam core and obtain good results with your vacuum pump for my modest project.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv Жыл бұрын
Give it a go! :)
@loganmarriott11
@loganmarriott11 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic quality as always. Thanks for explaining what the perforated film is usually for and how you can simplify the stack slightly
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Logan, that's great if this information helped to make it clearer for you.
@peterzingler6221
@peterzingler6221 4 жыл бұрын
The household vacuum bag technique is awesome
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter :)
@harrystear9037
@harrystear9037 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! I will definitely be trying the vacuum cleaner method. I can't quite justify the expense of a professional vacuum pump and regulator yet.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, that's fine by us Harry; that's what we wanted to show with this video. That's also why we used both methods so you can see that - although pretty low-lost - the vacuum cleaner method actually delivers results which are a match for the pro version (in this type of situation).
@SimoWill75
@SimoWill75 4 жыл бұрын
If you're only making relatively small parts, like in this video, a kitchen food saver works great and is cheap. Been using one for this purpose for years.
@b.w.oostdam8875
@b.w.oostdam8875 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much indeed for this video! The part with the vacuumcleaner and clothesbags is absolutely what I was looking for. Would have taken me a long long time to figure out one only needs 20%!! Thank you again!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome; look forward to hearing how you get on.
@ukilic86
@ukilic86 4 жыл бұрын
These tutorials are awesome. They should be shown at Technical Schools. I wish you guys had US branch.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and your support, a branch in the US is something we're certainly keen to do in the future.
@brandonmendoza5233
@brandonmendoza5233 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of videos out there explaining cf but this ones are the best always, thanks :)
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brandon.
@hippocks146
@hippocks146 4 жыл бұрын
Just ordered some bits from you guys. Been toying with the idea of making carbon / kevlar fairings for my Daytona 675, for about 5 years now. Finally going to give it go. Starting with the rear hugger... Thought it might be a good place to get a feeling for it, making something small, instead of a complete side fairing. Wish me luck. I'll post some pics on your customer gallery.
@truth7416
@truth7416 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. Just want to say your production quality of your video and audio could not be better. Excellent lighting and a killer looking set. keep them coming. Perhaps a video on an aluminum mold using an expanding silicone insert. This gives perfect surface parts.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments. Yes, we'd like to do something on pressure moulding with silicone in the future, it's on the 'to-do' list!
@YootubeUK
@YootubeUK 4 жыл бұрын
Impressive! Even more impressive to get that finish with a wet lay-up and 'enry the Hoover with vaccum bags!
@yayweredoomed
@yayweredoomed 4 жыл бұрын
Such good tutorials. I don’t have any place to work right now, but when I do, will definitely be supporting easy composites...
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that's great to hear. Look forward to working with you.
@zanusbluesman
@zanusbluesman 4 жыл бұрын
I used to work for the manufacturer of your vacuum pump. It's a great company based in San Pietro in Casale (Italy) called DVP (Dry Vacuum Pumps).
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrea, yes, they're a great company to work with. It's good to hear you enjoyed your time working there.
@gsavogin
@gsavogin 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for such a great video, demonstration and online short course!!!
@C-M-E
@C-M-E 4 жыл бұрын
With your wealth of knowledge and great products, I'm surprised you guys haven't jumped on the silicone jacket method of vacuum bagging for production environments.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
We know the process well enough (we used to make parts in production volumes ourselves) but but, to be honest, it's quite rare you'll see reusable moulded silicone vacuum bags used in production. The are a number of reasons - probably a bit dull to go into - but the end result is that they're only the answer in quite specific situations and certainly none of the situations we've covered so far.
@C-M-E
@C-M-E 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv That's a fair and realistic answer. I'm looking at it for a complicated multi-step process that may eventually conclude with either a hydraulic press or sandcasting a mold for composites on a prototype level with aspirations of larger production. It might be the only way I'm able to copy some very tight geometry of components I have now that would cost an absolute fortune to have machined again in stainless or inconel.
@rohanpuri1989
@rohanpuri1989 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your detailed videos. Please do a video on split mold infusion as well.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Rohan, yes, that's definitely on the list.
@rohanpuri1989
@rohanpuri1989 4 жыл бұрын
Easy Composites Ltd been waiting for a long time
@markussmith3135
@markussmith3135 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just waiting on some room to get started iv got a hand full of projects I want to have a go at and seem possible after watching most of the videos you put up 👌
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Markus, thanks for the comment, that's great to hear. We look forward to hearing how you get on.
@diyhell8712
@diyhell8712 4 жыл бұрын
Love the use of the vacuum cleaner: great way to try out vacuum bagging.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, we'll try to do some more 'accessible' tips and tricks wherever we we can. We know most home and workshop composites is done with the minimum of special tools and equipment and we'll try to keep that in mind and help those who are starting out in composites too.
@diyhell8712
@diyhell8712 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv my dad was an expert in composites at British Aerospace, and famously advised McLaren when they built their first carbon tub for F1. Should have listened a bit more when I was younger but am leaning now!
@petr878
@petr878 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv , great idea.
@nabaddame5726
@nabaddame5726 4 жыл бұрын
How long do u have to leave the vacuum cleaner running? Just pull the air out of the bag and shut if off or does it need to stay on ?
@gsavogin
@gsavogin 3 жыл бұрын
Best wishes from Argentina!!!
@jonnyb2532
@jonnyb2532 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Very clear to this newbie. Also the low-budget vacuum storage bag tip was amazing!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jonny, glad you liked it.
@ashishbeniwal3660
@ashishbeniwal3660 2 жыл бұрын
I always find your videos to be very informative and educative. So thanks and keep making good videos like this. :)
@aldohz
@aldohz 4 жыл бұрын
I'm starting in the composites world and this was very helpful. Liked and subscribed.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear, thanks :)
@ChrisKsan
@ChrisKsan 4 жыл бұрын
I very much like "DIY" things and am considering starting my first composites project. I would like to get some trims for my car and I am currently weighing in costs and quality difference between just ordering readily available parts or using this as an opportunity to make my own. Thank you for your video and I very much appreciate showing how to use household items!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure Chris. Generally speaking, for a one-off part, it’s almost always cheaper (and probably better) to but existing parts if someone is already making them. The is because a lot of the cost of making a part is in making the mould, and learning the skill in the first place. However, it’s quite often that you simply can’t get the part any other way, or want a modified version of it, or you want to learn the skills for yourself; in these cases, DIY is the way to go.
@mkmanu001
@mkmanu001 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for the vacuum storage bag i read. This will make my want to try doing composite at home
@richardm.newlands2417
@richardm.newlands2417 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing, I'm just about to bag a model aircraft wing. Many thanks!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Richard, I hope it goes well.
@robertpaterson3646
@robertpaterson3646 4 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this video since you mentioned it! I've recently made a few parts for my motorbikes. I made some great fibreglass moulds but ended up with lots of voids as they weren't bagged. Ended up getting acceptable results by skinning the original parts and releasing them. I had been contemplating using a JML-type of duvet stuffing bag for a wee while now so looks like I've no excuse now...especially since I've got a square metre of your resin bound 2x2 cloth in my garage ;)
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Robert; yes, give it a go; although not 100% perfect this process is very reliable at getting you 95% of the way there and producing some very acceptable parts for most applications.
@ASCENDANTGAMERSAGE
@ASCENDANTGAMERSAGE 3 жыл бұрын
So cool!!!!!!! Absolutely fantastic production and host as well!!!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, appreciated.
@betarr80
@betarr80 3 жыл бұрын
beautiful tutorial, as always! if i want a gloss and clear finish on it what you suggest? sand it 120/240 grit and another coat of laminating resin? or xcr resin? thanks
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
you could put another layer of resin or lacquer it.
@betarr80
@betarr80 3 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv without sanding? Directly on parts a resin like xcr for more uv protection is Good?
@dwaynemcallister7231
@dwaynemcallister7231 3 жыл бұрын
This was very good information for me, thank you. I unfortunately found out that peel ply and max vacuum will leave it dry just before watching this. Doing a thin glass PVC core sandwich repair.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dwayne, mmm, yes, it sounds like you've found out the hard way. We've been there ourselves.
@antonioss6912
@antonioss6912 3 жыл бұрын
Good morning, congratulations for the contents, I was wondering how long the vacuum pump must be connected before detaching it, also to prevent the piece from drying out too much
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Because a typical vacuum cleaner will only generate around 30% vacuum, there isn't really much danger of a vacuum cleaner drying out the laminate in a vacuum bagging application but most vacuum cleaners won't be happy running for any long period of time (especially fully restricted) and so - providing you've got a fully sealed bag - you should be safe to switch off the vacuum cleaner a few minutes after the bag feels like it reaches full tightness.
@fabricebrun9287
@fabricebrun9287 4 жыл бұрын
Really great video , it's cool to see it's possible to make it at home with simple methods
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fabrice, glad you liked it!
@daviddavis1322
@daviddavis1322 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best thing I have seen in a long time
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Nice one David I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@suprarune
@suprarune 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video from you guys! its very nice of you to make these tutorials for us newbs and hobby guys.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, we're very happy to do it.
@befree1558
@befree1558 4 жыл бұрын
More interesting than most movies these days:)
@deanpodolsky
@deanpodolsky 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing video and quality of product! Please keep on making these accessible products and tutorials. I realize this particular part is just a protective cover but where’s the line between using this process for a piece with a structural component?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Dean, well, really there isn't a line. A component made using a wet-lay process but still using carbon fibre and epoxy resin will be 80% as good as one made using resin infusion or prepreg and so technically you could make the same components using a wet-lay and vac bag method if you made them 20% thicker/heavier. However, you will find that certain projects, due to their size, shape or complexity, are much easier to make using other methods, particularly prepreg (for tight/complex shapes) or infusion (for larger panels).
@deanpodolsky
@deanpodolsky 4 жыл бұрын
Easy Composites Ltd OK that makes sense. When do you chose to use 2mm sheet wax over something thicker? I’m wondering what the guidelines are for choosing one thickness over another.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
You choose the sheetwax thickness to match the thickness of the laminate you will be laying into the mould. If you're going to make a 1mm thick part then you would use 1mm sheetwax to make the mould 1mm larger than the original part, that way, when you add 1mm of reinforcement into the inside of the new mould the inside of this laminate will match the outside measurements of the original. Watch part one of this video - we explain the concept of sheetwax and offsets in detail there.
@azimpetra
@azimpetra 4 жыл бұрын
Could you show how to properly align the first layer to match the patterns? Or is that only possible with prepreg? Example: The chevron shape on the seams. Like some super cars have.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Azim, generally this is only done using prepreg. There is the possibility to do it using dry fabric but you would need to be using a stabilised fabric such as our ProFinish carbon fibre; it has a binder which holds it together and allows neat cuts and joins (similar to prepreg) to be achieved. Maybe one for a future video.
@ahakim98006
@ahakim98006 4 жыл бұрын
I have recently tried the vacuum storage bag with wet layup and I thought I had discovered something new. I guess not. No Nobel Prize for me :(
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
No, sorry, we were playing around with this process nearly 10 years ago and I bet we weren't the first! However, the devil is in the detail and we did do a lot of work before arriving at the best vacuum bagging stack (should we use breather, perforated film, mesh, peel-ply, not of these... etc. etc.).
@MrSilentSavage
@MrSilentSavage 4 жыл бұрын
Best videos regarding composites...well done..keep them coming!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, we'll do our best.
@TomiLynch
@TomiLynch 4 жыл бұрын
This video is exactly what I was waiting for! Have been watching your tutorials for a while and love them. The one thing I'm really curious about is how to make something with a two part mold using this technique. I'm specifically curious about the overlapping of the two halves with wet technique, since all previous videos seem to explain this with prepreg. A video on this topic would be very much appreciated!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, a matched tool with a wet layup process can certainly be done, in fact, years ago (as Carbon Mods) one of our very first products was made in this way. It's not 100% reliable in terms of surface finish but if you persevere you can get great results. Maybe a video on this in the future.
@TomiLynch
@TomiLynch 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv Thanks for the quick answer. I'm planning on making a carbon fiber scooter prototype, and will probably work with a wet layout, so I'm curious to know what the best way to proceed would be, and how the use of inserts would turn out. I've payed very close attention to the bicycle frame tutorial, but that is using prepreg. Looking forward to that video!
@ErtsenPlayGames
@ErtsenPlayGames 4 жыл бұрын
even if i know how to make parts like this i like to watch how u do it because it look awesome every time :D
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sebastian.
@payton6213
@payton6213 2 жыл бұрын
I work with fiberglass and the processes are quite similar but carbon fiber seems to be much more precise and delicate. It's an interesting process. I'd love to learn more about the resins you use
@funnymyazz
@funnymyazz 4 жыл бұрын
I'm very thankful for all your efforts in making these tutorials. I have tried this method and I only have a normal vacuum pump with no regulator and the part ended up full of pinholes, I guess my homemade perforated release film was not a good idea, which perforated release film do you recommend for a wet layup? Thanks.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
You probably used too much vacuum as it can squeeze out too much resin if the vacuum level is high. You want a starting point of around 20% vacuum
@funnymyazz
@funnymyazz 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv thanks, what perforated release film do you recommend?
@GermanJohnQ
@GermanJohnQ 4 жыл бұрын
hello. i've learned a lot of your videos. i myself laminate car parts with carbon. Could you do a video for example from a car interior part like you're laminated or using vacuum?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi John, thanks for your comment. We have a lot of different tutorials already planned but the idea of laminating some vehicle interior trim is a good one and we'll certainly add this to the list. The tricky bits (as you can guess) are usually the clips to fit them in place.
@GermanJohnQ
@GermanJohnQ 4 жыл бұрын
Easy Composites Ltd thanks 🙏🏻 my friend :)))
@ParametricCPA
@ParametricCPA Жыл бұрын
Love this - got the vacuum bag, a vacuum and peel ply. Having trouble finding the breather fabric - is there any common household item that would work instead?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv Жыл бұрын
Not that we are aware of. We sell breather here: www.easycomposites.co.uk/br180-breather-fabric
@BMSWEB
@BMSWEB 4 жыл бұрын
Man I really wish you guys shipped to Australia
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm really sorry that Australia is so difficult for us to reach, well, for dangerous goods at least. Maybe one day we'll have a better way to support customers over in Australia; we do have some great customers and friends of the company over there but the shipping side of things is pretty challenging.
@BMSWEB
@BMSWEB 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv well for what it's worth I share your videos with our UK friends all the time. Would love to spend our money with you guys as specially because of the amazing content you make. By far the best videos on Composite layups 👍
@sergiocantoli5783
@sergiocantoli5783 4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciated all the videos you guys have done so far!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sergio, it's great you're enjoying them :)
@KingandTitanRacing
@KingandTitanRacing 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and well timed, exactly what we need to start trying out carbon manufacturing for small parts.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Great, glad you enjoyed it and good luck with your new projects.
@robhart3531
@robhart3531 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice video! I think you explain it really good! I like it that you also show that it can be done with a vacuumbag for clothing, I use them too if the part fits in the bag. I have a question regarding mixing up resin, specificly the amount. In relation to a wet layup. You say in this video that you used the same weight of resin (+ a bit extra) as the weight of carbonfiber. Does this also apply for glassfiber and different weaves/weight of other types of laminate?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, yes, a good rule of thumb for resin quantity is that it will equal the reinforcement weight, pretty much regardless of the reinforcement type. So, this would apply to glass, carbon, hybrids and most other conventional reinforcements. It's not exact but it's certainly close enough.
@jimfarey
@jimfarey 4 жыл бұрын
You linked this video for me from another video on resin infusion. Thanks, top banana, might have to try this on my next project!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jim, glad it was up your street.
@jimfarey
@jimfarey 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv I don't know if you can go into any detail here, but when you have complex shapes to lay up around, is it ok to have very messy lay up so long as lots of fibres overlap, you get angles between fibres if using unidirectional fibre, and you apply some pressure to turn the mess I to one functional unit? I'm trying to avoid the bolt on areas of my cycling shoes, but carbon sheets aren't very easy to stencil holes into I've found... No worries if this is too specific. If you are interested in doing a case study on micro reinforcement, I can send you some pics.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jim, yes, you can do this and there wouldn't be much detriment structurally. Probably the closest thing you can see to this in our tutorials would be the laying up of UD carbon around some of the hard-points in our bike frame tutorial. I know the prepreg process is quite different but the principles are the same. Sometimes, you just need to do what you can in terms of reinforcement around complex shapes.
@jimfarey
@jimfarey 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv thanks ever so much! I'll check it out!
@IngeBall
@IngeBall 4 жыл бұрын
An in depth tutorial regarding UD would be nice. How to build layers for strength in different applications and so forth. The bikeframe briefly touched the subject. And a racecar wingbuild would be awesome!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
A race car wing will definitely be happening in the future, this is one of the tutorials we're most keen to do and we would use it as an opportunity to cover UD reinforcement and fibre alignment in more detail.
@IngeBall
@IngeBall 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv Can't wait ☺
@thrownchance
@thrownchance 2 жыл бұрын
9:10 what is the reason for only using 0.2bar absolute? You say to prevent the CF from drying out, but what would it do to the part? I thought that you want as little as possible of resin to achieve a lower weight for the basically the same strength.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 2 жыл бұрын
Wet lay vacuum bagging only needs about 20% vacuum. Higher squeezes out too much resin leaving the part dry and pinholed. The lower the vacuum than 20% and the benefits drop off. 20% is about the typical sweet spot for basic vacuum bagging - you can vary it slightly based on the finish you get.
@alexpausanos5941
@alexpausanos5941 Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for refreshing my composite experience d
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, glad you found it useful.
@alexandermikoyan9171
@alexandermikoyan9171 4 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you for your tutorials! I have a question: why you use only 20% of vacuum in this project? Thank you.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
It's to get the best surface finish. We've done really comprehensive testing, producing several hundred laminate samples; each sample using a different level of vacuum, different resin ratio and different vacuum stack (perf, non-perf, breather, no breather, mesh, no mesh, peel-ply, no peel-ply etc.) and in all that testing, this combination of vacuum level and vacuum bagging consumables gave the best results.
@millerchassis6119
@millerchassis6119 4 жыл бұрын
So why do you turn the pump off when it’s resin infused?
@CorvetteCarCraft
@CorvetteCarCraft 4 жыл бұрын
@@millerchassis6119 Because the bag is well insulated, so it can keep the 0.2 bar vacuum steady without the pump being active.. I guess?
@robjonson629
@robjonson629 4 жыл бұрын
great - ive always thought I could use a vac bag in this way - but I need to do a full flat floor, splitter and diffuser.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, one problem you might run into making really large parts is the gel time on the resin. If the resin starts to cure before you get the bag down then it's too late really. In terms of the bagging method itself, you'd need to use bagging film and tape (you won't find a clothes bag that big!) but you could still use a vacuum cleaner for the pull down. It would even be possible to 'graft' the valve off a storage bag onto a conventional vacuum bag (using sealant tape).
@robjonson629
@robjonson629 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv thanks you - i yes will give it a go when I get my double garage in a few months time
@themadscotsman2159
@themadscotsman2159 4 жыл бұрын
How come my gloved hands always stick to the cloth but yours don't? I Always have issues with sticking to the weave and pulling stray tows at the edges and spoiling the finish, as well as sticking to everything else, the tools and what have you. Great videos by the way, very informative and easy to understand.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
We use nitrile gloves so maybe its something to do with your gloves specifically?
@themadscotsman2159
@themadscotsman2159 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv Thanks, I'll try them instead of latex ones.
@sterlingglessing2024
@sterlingglessing2024 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative content. Cheers from Canada.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sterling! Glad you enjoyed!
@thundertiger76
@thundertiger76 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, I love making Carbon Fibre products. I didn't know though that you could achieve good results with a vacuum hoover, wished I knew before as it would have saved me buying a dedicated vacuum pump off eBay lol.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Well, if you're serious about composites it's highly unlikely you won't find numerous uses for a good vacuum pump :)
@thundertiger76
@thundertiger76 4 жыл бұрын
Easy Composites Ltd Yeh maybe hehe. I usually do a wet lay but with no bagging at all, have had pretty good results but thought I would try my hand at this Vacuuming business...
@solidkreate5007
@solidkreate5007 4 жыл бұрын
Will you guys ever have a US Spec Oven/Vacuum made? Or at least a voltage adapter? I do not see any equipment like you sell here in the US at all. Or can you tell some equivalent equipment that you know of?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
At the moment we have no specific plans. However, many US domestic and business supplies are able to have a 240V output fitted due to the hot-hot-ground split phase in the U.S. which is two hot wires of 120V AC with a 180° phase shift between them. This means the system can usually be rewired to run 240V equipment off of hot to hot instead of hot to neutral. For safety reasons, any electrical wiring work should be undertaken by a suitably qualified electrician.
@snooki9
@snooki9 3 жыл бұрын
Dear EC Team, Great video again. I like the last method a lot, not only because a bit less material is necessary, but because it's not compulsary to let the vacuum system plug to the bag. Is there a solution with the first method to sealed the bag by turning the red part of the connector for exemple, unplug the vacuum pump, and go on with a second part with the same vacuum pump during the first part is curring ? Thanks a lot in advance for your reply !
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can do that but you need to be 100% confident your bag is leak free for the duration of the cure otherwise you will loose vacuum and the benefits part way through the resin cure.
@adansyahdan9319
@adansyahdan9319 4 жыл бұрын
Always great explanation 👌... I've try to used refrigerator compressor to do my experience. It had great vacuum. I do the wet layer methods. But somehow I always gets pinholes 😞😞. But I got some lessons from this video.. I'll keep trying to get good cosmetics... Thank you very much Mr..😁😁🙏
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments Adan; it's probably the case that your vacuum level is too high and so is bleeding off too much resin. In our experience, higher levels of vacuum do result in more pin holing.
@adansyahdan9319
@adansyahdan9319 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv thanks for the explanation 👌... yes probably too high, I didn't notice, because i'm not applying pressure meter ... Once again, thank you 🙏🙏😁
@AuroraCypher
@AuroraCypher 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Ive seen people working with carbon fibre on model airplanes and they did not use the vaccuum method, and it looks very good. Can you tell me what's the difference between these 2 methods ?
@AussieBassplayer
@AussieBassplayer 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is great, so much info
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed Cameron!
@GTRPROv2
@GTRPROv2 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! You guys are awesome and informative
@sbyou2b
@sbyou2b 4 жыл бұрын
I had a "Henry" when I lived in England. Feeling nostalgic :)
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
A classic vacuum cleaner!
@medialion2655
@medialion2655 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video! Thanks for the professional production and audio Quick question… did you leave Henry on for 6 hours? Would the vacuum overheat? Thanks
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 2 жыл бұрын
No, as its on one of the domestic vacuum bags, the valve does a pretty good job at holding vacuum so normally, once you've drawn it down and put the cap on the valve, you don't need the vacuum cleaner anymore.
@ryanhines719
@ryanhines719 4 жыл бұрын
Love this stuff! Can’t wait to be able to try this myself!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Well, give it a go Ryan! We've tried to re-connect with some more accessible methods; hopefully you can see that you can still get good results from even a relatively low cost and straight forward process.
@JagLite
@JagLite Жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial!
@997turboabs2
@997turboabs2 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Awesome video! Does the same process apply with vacuum bagging skinned parts? I have a number of parts I wish to skin and vacuum bag to ensure 100% adhesion. I've noticed with hand layup on complex parts that the carbon naturally wants to lift. Sos!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv Жыл бұрын
Vacuum bagging skinned parts is very difficult and generally not needed. Its very easy to use too much vacuum and crease and crumple the carbon.
@wellreally831
@wellreally831 3 жыл бұрын
How do you cut a kevlar (or hybrid) composite after curing to end up with clean edges? Thanks very much for these videos, like the accessible tips!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
Assuming you mean once the parts (containing aramid/Kevlar) have cured; in which case we find a rotary disc cutter gives the best finish and to then use a brand new Stanley blade or scalpel to run back across the cut edge to remove any burring.
@conradcasebolt2391
@conradcasebolt2391 3 ай бұрын
This is an excellent video. Thanks.
@dgfabrication4987
@dgfabrication4987 3 жыл бұрын
When you say sand and clear to remove the pin holes. Do you mean do 1 coat with clear epoxy ? If so how would this fill the holes as small holes seem to be avoided by the resin when I try. Would I need to open them up a bit ? Thanks
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a good question, yes, this can happen. You can try a first application which is more like squeegeeing, use a soft plastic or rubber strip to drag a tiny amount of resin over the surface, this can be more likely to drop in to pin holes properly. Then a second coating over the top. Also, make sure your resin isn’t the problem, XCR is really good at dropping in to pin holes but other resins can be more reluctant.
@Boatpartymiami
@Boatpartymiami 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have to use anything on the gelcoat before putting the epoxy and fabric? Or is the gelcoat slick enough
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Not in this process, no, we're just relying on the clarity and gloss of the epoxy itself.
@drunktortila3632
@drunktortila3632 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to use this technique with skinning an object? Some different cloth for example to get a smooth finish Edit: love your vids very informative soon I hope to make a carbon fibre bonnet like you have done!!
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Although this might come as a surprise, In our experience we've never been able to make carbon fibre 'skinning' easier or better using a vacuum bag, at least not for the carbon/clear coat layers. The only time when we have found bagging to be helpful when skinning is with holding the carbon down to the basecoat, particularly into tight corners and complex geometries. Once the basecoat has fully cured (with the carbon stuck well down only it) then the bag is removed and we continue with the clear coats as normal.
@darrenknight8159
@darrenknight8159 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv When using this method for skinning (just to hold the carbon in place) would anything need to be placed between the carbon and the bag ? I've got some storage bags so would like to try it with my workshop hover.
@johntenhave1
@johntenhave1 4 жыл бұрын
That is very clever! I am not sure I fully understand what a 20% vacuum is. ~14psi is atmospheric pressure, does 20% mean a reduction in pressure of 2.8 psi? Many thanks for the education.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
SO vacuum pressure is measured from 0 Bar to -1bar (full vacuum), 20% would be -0.2 bar which equates to approximately 6inHg.
@CarstenFuchs
@CarstenFuchs 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this awesome video! Could you please tell how the edges are cut? The finished parts seem to have very smooth, precisely cut edges - how did you do this?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Carsten, just trimmed with a Perma-grit disc in a rotary tool (like a big Dremel). You can see us trimming carbon fibre parts in part 3/3 of the 'carbon fibre bonnet' video series and we also did a video all about cutting carbon fibre.
@bobbg9041
@bobbg9041 2 жыл бұрын
Well as far as cloth. You could use speaker grill cloth, if your making speaker pods for a car audio system. I've used trunk carpet and fiberglass resen problem is it wasnt using a mold and requires a lot of finnish work. So I'm going to have to look how to make the molds.
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 2 жыл бұрын
They are not particularly stiff fabrics so it depends what your aim is.
@bobbarrett2631
@bobbarrett2631 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial Thanks. One question if I may; When operating the vacuum bag, for six minutes, will there be sufficient vacuum to switch off the compressor (no leakage) ?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 2 жыл бұрын
There will always be a very slight leak through the regulator and so if you wanted to turn the pump off after the desired pressure was reached, you would need to clamp off the vacuum hose before the regulator using a Line Clamp. Remember though that if you turn the pump off in this way you must be 100% sure that your bag is perfectly sealed otherwise even a tiny leak in the bag or seal will cause the vacuum level in the bag to reduce.
@YszapHun
@YszapHun 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Paul, as usual! I'd like to know more about choosing the appropriate amount of vacuum, which kind of process or part requires more or less vacuum is still unclear to me. Can you please make a quick guide on that?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Sure, it's very simple: for almost all vacuum processes you need maximum possible vacuum; this is particularly important for resin infusion and prepreg. Also, for vacuum bagging where consolidation and maximum fibre to resin ratio is the priority over surface finish. The only situation where you would want a lower vacuum level would be the one in this video, where your priority is the surface finish.
@YszapHun
@YszapHun 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv Hey, thanks for the answer! :)
@Sean-Aviation
@Sean-Aviation 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the great videos. do you keep the pump working while the epoxy cures or can you just turn it off after re insuring the air is not bleeding out?
@easycompositestv
@easycompositestv 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Sean, for the vacuum bagging process we would normally keep the pump running until the resin reaches initial cure, this would about around 6hrs with the EL2 resin system. Once that's happened, we switch it off. If you *knew* for sure that the bag was sealed and won't lose pressure then you could turn it off right from the start.
@Sean-Aviation
@Sean-Aviation 4 жыл бұрын
@@easycompositestv I see. does the pump switches on and off according to the pressure in the bag or does it fighting it constantly?
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