Eating the Sunrise w/ Christopher West

Christopher West is cofounder, president, and senior lecturer of Theology of the Body Institute, and professor of theological anthropology in the jointly sponsored master’s program with Pontifex University. His global lecturing, bestselling books, multiple audio and video programs, and popular podcast (co-hosted by his wife Wendy) have made him one of the world’s most recognized teachers of St. John Paul II’s Theology of the Body.
Christopher West joins the show to talk about his new book "Eating the Sunrise".
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00:00 Intro
01:57 Love & Responsibility
8:09 Jordan Peterson
11:30 U2/Bono
32:31 Longing For Beauty
44:30 Eros
57:20 Earthly Pleasures
1:04:40 Self Reliance
1:19:27 Sexual Revolution
1:26:10 Renewing The Government Through Family
1:37:13 Withdrawal From The Natural World
1:52:50 Disorderd Sex
2:04:54 Mistakes in Theology Of The Body
2:08:03 The Need For Healing
2:30:31 Purifying The Pornified
2:39:45 Courses In TOB
2:49:40 JPII
2:58:38 Whats Wrong With The World
3:04:10 Wrap Up

[@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute]

Thank you for having us over, Matt. God bless Pints with Aquinas!

[@Dogheadedchris]

Ah old ToBI, best weed in the western farthing

[@chrissousa8232]

Today is the first time I’ve been introduced to Mr. West, and I wonder why haven’t I heard of this man before! Every word is poetry! I’m so inspired by his passion. I once had that passion… then lost it… I had turned my back of God and faith in my twenties. It’s in the last few years where I sheepishly have been coming back to my Catholic roots; fear that I would be rejected by Jesus, God. It’s only been the last couple of months that I am able to now understand, he was always waiting for me. Praise be to God! Mr. West’s words are truly beautiful and inspiring me to connect with the passion I once held.

[@thatcatholicsaintsguy609]

Welcome back! Heaven is rejoicing.

[@user-qr3gw7jb2r]

Christopher West! You have a way of teaching that I can easily relate to. I'm a Ruthenian Rite Catholic from the Anthracite Coal Region of Pennsylvania. Talk about damaged goods huh, lol. I ruined a great career in the Air Force by committing adultery. I returned to the coal region defeated. DUI's, opioids, meth, porn, and prison over the next 20 years. I need to hear your words more than you can ever imagine. Thank you! Thank you!

[@jennifershaw1342]

Please know how valuable it is seeing men be vulnerable and faithful.

[@sarahwier6493]

Y

[@jessmddn]

My thoughts exactly!

[@alexbowen7233]

“Eating the sunrise? What a crazy and silly thing to say” - me, who just got back from mass where everyone was eating God.

[@wesleyrobbins689]

Eating the Sunshine sounds better to me. Good Episode whatever you make the phrase.

[@HonestInjury]

Dining on divinity

[@SonOfThineHandmaid]

​@@HonestInjury munching on the Most High

[@alexbowen7233]

@@SonOfThineHandmaid #MunchiesForJesus

[@tesseringmb4745]

I think it means devouring beauty---wanting to own it but being unable to even grasp it all--and that is only a drop in the bucket compared to the beauty of God---I think he means that this frustration is one of the biggest dilemmas of humanity. I believe everyone has that longing for God & if they don't appear to have it, it is because too much is in the way. I believe that when our lives are over, and all there is is truth, that Heaven is finally being with God with nothing in the way and Hell is being separated from Him for all eternity. No other punishment required. It's like God is air and we are drowning without Him, and unlike during drowning we never pass out--we always feel that burning in our hearts/lungs and we know we will never stop feeling it.

[@rockanne]

There can never be enough Christopher West episodes. Love him!

[@AnnulmentProof]

If NFP did not exist, would you have the same attraction to Christopher West?

[@CharlsGalindo]

Christopher West strenghtened my faith so much. That older ToB episode here in pints hit me like a train

[@michelemarkos2450]

There is another video? About ToB with west?

[@AnnulmentProof]

In what way did Christopher West strengthen your faith?

[@mariannastevenson9974]

I have listened to this already 5 times...everytime I hear this interview. I find a new discovery of Christopher and Matt speaking directly to my heart.

[@09bamasky]

Such a beautiful conversation. Thank you, Matt and Christopher! I absolutely love this subject and feel it is so deeply important for people to hear. I’m a psychotherapist and regularly hear about these hidden sexual wounds which are so difficult to heal in our broken culture. Thank God for people like this, who have a gift to synthesize truth, goodness, and beauty in a way that can be well-digested!

[@Catherine_Longstaff]

Thank you both for this beautiful conversation. I wept. Last night, the Lord was helping me tap into my fears that I am too much, or not enough. Providentially, I am home sick today and had time to just sit with the truths that God spoke through both of you. Side note, I was blessed to be able to attend the Poets of the Kingdom course, and I could right a book about the ways God was moving at that course. He is still helping me unpack the Grace he was offering. Thank you both for your openness to the Lord. I will be praying for you and your ministries and families. If anyone reads this, please offer a praying for me.

[@mR-dc4oq]

I recently felt like I am too much. I was in a prayer group on Palm Sunday and began to pray thanks to Jesus for Palm Sunday. When I began to thank him, I was overcome with emotion. The person sitting next to me firmly, took my hands and took over the prayer. I had paused to try to gather myself together. It was an embarrassing moment. I also felt like this was a grave social taboo, and not understood. however, in my private thoughts, I may be wrong, I believe that God touches our heart sometimes and we can’t help ourselves. For need of social survival. I will cover and keep it hidden from others in a public space. That is my intention at least. Wish me luck. I think it’s normal to weep when we draw closer to the Father.

[@blondetapperware8289]

I will always love me some more Christopher West on Pints

[@curlyclouds9]

How relatable. I have felt that “it can’t get better than this but it isn’t enough” ooohhhh that feeling

[@catfood1161]

59:27 that point that Matt made about equating the longing which is good with the misplaced actions… I NEEDED to hear that.

[@cosmicnomad8575]

Christopher West is one of my favorites, excited for this!

[@JR-nr5rr]

Such a sensational interview. Thanks so much fellas. So many brilliant one-liners there. "Mercy is real" was one of my favourites. God bless you both.

[@thatright4985]

Christopher West is such an incredible gift to the Church! The first time I heard of him was on a Facebook thread of Catholic homeschooling moms. One member said Christopher West is a pervert. Nothing can be further from the truth! This man just makes you connect to the divine through the body. I so want to purchase this book.

[@AnnulmentProof]

"Connect to the Divine through the body" = perversion because it makes procreation a secondary purpose of the conjugal act.

[@stephencotter538]

On great thing about KZbin: witnessing all of these incredible Christians, each very special in his or her own way, coming together and doing "cross overs". It's unprecedented and so good to get to witness all of these great minds and voices coming together to discuss a plethora of topics. The icing on the cake is we are able to communicate with these people via com boxes, super chats, locals, etc. Anyway, I'm stating the obvious, but thanks be to God!

[@angrypotato_fz]

Your meetings with Christopher are always great, you seem both very comfortable with each other and willing to go deeply into personal topics, which is a great inspiration for me. Like Christopher said - it's not only you who has the problem. Christopher is very emotional in a healthy sense. The topics of Theology of the Body are difficult for me, a single person with no deeper relationship experience, but I hope to learn and find that there's more to it than marital advice. As Polish I appreciate a lot your short discussion of John Paul II - it's a much more down to earth point of view, more merciful and fruitful than what I usually hear in my country. JPII was such an icon that most people here seem to either have too whitewashed image of him (even cringe) or they hate him as they hate Church. And like you mentioned, he was sort of handsome, cool - and in our country media this image got overused, and veiled what's most important - the teaching, which is often ignored. It's awesome to hear great, normal people like you be very inspired by his teaching, and studying it while seeing that he was also a human with flaws.

[@nathanstanford2063]

My wife and I had the pleasure to attend Chris and Mike’s “Made for More” event in Pearland TX yesterday. It was great. Keep spreading TOB and thx for having him back in your show Matt

[@RicardoMunoz-gf2sv]

All I can say is they get it, there is just something that speaks to your heart when you hear Christopher West talk about God: the Beauty of everlasting Love.

[@jessmddn]

Yo, watching these men of God gush over beauty is something I didn't know I needed this Wednesday morning. Giving voice to the longing of the human heart. Loved this episode and smashed the order button for West's book.

[@katharina5882]

On WYD in Lisbon me and my sister waited 4hours for the Talk of Christopher West... worth every minute🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@mycatholicfaithlivingstone845]

Two of the best peeps right there! I have learned soooo much from both of you on my journey.

[@calebklingerman7902]

If anyone can make me a Catholic, it’s Cristopher West. I love his Theology of the Body channel, it has helped me WANT to heal from what our pornographic culture was turning me into. Plenty of things can help you in the process, but the root of the problem is where your desires are, and he addresses that perfectly.

[@laurenk1853]

39:59 this part speaks to me so much, especially being a few weeks postpartum. It’s so fleeting and there’s beauty and longing mixed together. Thank you for this beautiful conversation. I have learned so much from you both over the years!

[@stephencotter538]

Just said a prayer for you. Postpartum can be very difficult. My wife had severe postpartum depression and it was a really hard year for her and our family. I had know idea it was even a thing and I (regrettably) did not handle it well. Thank God our prayer life deepened and we got through it. Our marriage was made stronger and we currently have a beautiful family with two elementary school aged girls. Anyway, God bless you and your family, and may the Holy Family guide your family to Holiness and a loved filled home.

[@laurenk1853]

@@stephencotter538 thank you so much for your prayers and for sharing your experience. I’m glad your wife is doing well now. God bless you and your family!

[@jennifershaw1342]

Thank you for sharing so genuinely about you and Wendy. ❤

[@calebklingerman7902]

One hour into this video and I feel like I’ve gained 10 years of wisdom

[@EmanuelQ3]

So much of these two gentlemans' histories hits close to home with me, I wonder if most men are broken in this way. We need to put in work to overcome this brokenness.

[@fulconandroadcone9488]

And there I was yesterday on a bike ride going trough forest and wheat fields staring at the sun set.

[@shay-car]

This needs way more views. Pure poetry.

[@VanchaMarch2]

It’s nice to hear somewhere else speak about Bono’s work with the same passion and reverence that my parents do :) The Joshua Tree is one of the greatest albums of all time

[@blindabraxas]

I read most of love & responsibility as a new convert and it was mind blowing. Literally a manual on how to be a human (man or woman).

[@blindabraxas]

Manuals are not always easy to read. And this wasn’t either.

[@RangerGrant]

Hardest book I ever read! But so worth it! I feel like I actually am beginning to know how to love well, especially how to love my wife 🙏🏼

[@erock5b]

Interesting segue into U2 and Bono. Discovering their music gave me the spiritual push I needed to hold onto my faith and delve back into faith. Eventually I discovered Catholicism. They're a part of that journey, though I share the same sentiments with you about their politics and hypocrisy.

[@lux-veritatis]

So excited! Much love to Christopher West

[@saraymsantos]

I would love to have matt, Christopher and jordan in one podcast!

[@pulseaimed]

"what's wrong with the world? I AM" boom! Right in the heart. Wonderful episode

[@suzannederringer1607]

The Redbud's evanescent beauty IS achingly beautiful. .... Wilhelm Reich's desacralization of Eros is - literally - Orwellian. I just happened to read 1984 last week - for the first time in many years.

[@johnosterhoudt]

This is one of the BEST episodes ever! (and that's saying something) More views please!!!

[@johniscatholic]

Christopher's wheeze laugh is so funny 😂

[@gabrielgagne2748]

Glorious guys! Thanks! Keep it up!!

[@montanaswanson3932]

This was a great interview, one of my favorites

[@ManiusCuriusDenatus]

Seriously considering conversion...any suggestions for resources so I can read and learn?

[@ivadublin]

Google Fr. Mike Schmitz on KZbin & Bishop Barron, too. I would suggest talking to a priest in a Catholic church in your area. He may suggest books and what next step(s) to take. Will say a prayer for you! 🙏🏼

[@ManiusCuriusDenatus]

@@ivadublin Thank you for your prayers. I appreciate it greatly. I've been doing down this track for almost a year now and I need more. Thank you for the suggestions and thanks for the suggesion abt meeting with a priest. I've been thinking abt that for a while now too, but need a kick in the rear.

[@sharoncwilliams6846]

I recommend with all my heart that you seek out attending Triduum masses this Easter season! Holy Thursday mass, Good Friday Service (the one day a year it is not technically a mass- although it is still a communion service.. they just bring out host consecrated from the day before.. because we as Catholics can’t go even one day without the Lord!), and then the Easter Vigil mass (which will be the mass where you will come into the Church in the future if you make that choice!). Any Catholic Church will have these services and they are the absolute high point of the year (my three favorite days of every year.) I also recommend listening to the Catechism in a Year podcast by Father Mike Schmitz, and listening to his Sunday homilies (posted every Sunday on the KZbin channel “Sundays with Ascension”.) If you are enjoying Christopher West, I highly recommend one of his Theology of the Body video series. My favorite is an 8 video series listed as “An Introduction to the Theology of the Body online access” on ascensionpress.com (ascensionpress.com/products/an-introduction-to-the-theology-of-the-body-online-video-access) I will be praying!!! 😊

[@RangerGrant]

I made the jump last year at Pentecost after having served as a pastor for 8 years! Connecting with a parish priest who could accompany me and my family was so good and necessary. Also, consider joining the Coming Home Network online community. It’s free, there’s a lot of folks asking the same questions you probably have, and we have a weekly zoom call on Fridays where we get to connect, talk, and pray through things. Praying and fasting for you this Lent! 🙏🏼🤟🏼 Do whatever it takes to be close to Jesus!!

[@lellachu1682]

Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn was instrumental in leading me back to the Catholic Church. These days, I usually send all of my inquiring friends to Joshua T. Charles' website. God bless you on your journey! On a side note, I was just reading about Manius Curius Dentatus today in Plutarch's Marcus Cato the Elder, so your user name jumped out to me. You will be in my prayers.

[@CigarMode-4good]

The bridegroom & nuptial analogy is simpler than presented. The most in love a bride is with her bridegroom is at their nuptial ceremony. That day is the day which best represents the desire for and love of bride and groom for one another. That is the sacramental love Christ has perpetually for his Church and for us - and that we should receive from and return to Him to reflect the penultimate joy experienced on the wedding day.

[@susand3668]

And the Bridegroom says, "Behold, I make all things new!"

[@brendan.j.t]

Christopher, you should look up some more Mumford & Sons songs!!! Lots of Christian struggling to look at in their lyrics

[@christophercerak4639]

I love your conversations with Christopher West! I want pints with Aquinas cigars!!!!!

[@MarkTodd-yc1zd]

This was very encouraging, thank you!

[@tesseringmb4745]

So, so incredibly beautiful!!!!👏👏👏👏 Thank you!!!✝️✝️✝️❤️❤️❤️

[@xoxobabyimbackxoxo]

Thank you so much for this...

[@jennifershaw1342]

Beautiful as always! ❤

[@Loolooette]

Yeaaaa these long videos are the best!

[@ivanpadrenostro6018]

Great show. Greetings from Croatia God bless❤✝️

[@sarahloffler]

2:26:10 oh Man, Matt, you’re so funny. You’re so loveable. That was funny. And well-timed even if he didn’t pause long enough for it. He did laugh a little, but let it be known that you cracked me up. Love you both soooo much

[@missprincess678]

Have you thought about interviewing Ryan Bethea? His podcast with Father Carlos Madtins, the exorcist files, is awesome!

[@jelkazubr3101]

man, I love Christopher

[@rosiegirl2485]

I didnt know Christpher West was from my area. I grew up in the King of Prussia atea. I bought a house when I got married in Lancaster. Which was righr before Gap, Bird in hand. And yes. Intercource Pa. Yes...its a real place!

[@user-ld6td8xi9b]

I have a friend from that area. I want to see it some time

[@troothseeka4116]

In my view, Versus Populum hones in on the idea of the priest representing the person of Christ, and we look to him as the apostles during the last supper did. I think both Ad Orientem and Versus Populum are beautiful in their own ways and both hone in on and illumine particular theological mysteries. I'm curious what you guys think of this idea and if you have anything to add or criticize.

[@michaeliannone3288]

The spirit of this man is the reason why my generation has been placed in such a complete state of destituion.

[@rosiegirl2485]

Always suggesting.... Would love to hear Dr. Robert Haddad's story! But love Christopher West...anytime!

[@evanc.1591]

On the subject of music that gives witness to the yearning: I really love "Like the Dawn" by the Oh Hellos. Really, I recommend everyone here give it a listen. Spoilers for those who havent listened to it yet: it's about Adam singing to Eve, about the radiant beauty he sees in her, and how like the dawn she wakes the world inside of him. Every time I listen to it, it makes me weep for Eden, for the beauty that was lost, and for the beauty that yet awaits.

[@alaincharette9355]

Thank you Matt, I just registered, strive, thank you mother Mary for showing me the way.

[@maddadbricks]

54:10 The Gift of Tears is a frequent mystical gift in the Orthodox church.

[@haydongonzalez-dyer2727]

love it!

[@jennifershaw1342]

Can’t wait!

[@davidpacitti8942]

I ate the sunrise and got heartburn.

[@stephencotter538]

Wow! I love the Bono story with the picture and everything. Amazing! Pope John Paul II pray for us!

[@victoriathorlacius874]

Don’t try to listen to this unless you looove Bono. I made it 26 minutes in, can’t take it anymore. Ciao.

[@user-ld6td8xi9b]

Hilarious that were talking of Joshua Tree. I am doing a Men's Ministry hiking trip, and we just got changed from Yosemite to Joshua Tree. How fitting!!

[@user-rw1oe8zd6k]

@PintswithAquinas, could y'all maybe do an interview with Dr. David Anders sometime?

[@jenniferbreen747]

U2 has a song called ‘Window in the Skies’ is one of my favorites. Worth a listen.

[@-Viva-Cristo-Rey]

Tammy Peterson got baptized this Easter. ❤❤

[@adye8056]

Can your channel pls add small descriptions of the guests? Respectfully, I usually don’t know them and it would be nice to have an idea before starting to listen.

[@bethmcmullan7686]

Google exists

[@kevincuellar9926]

I listened to a song called "White as Snow" by U2, and very subtly it has a sound like "O Come Emmanuel"

[@jacobjames3304]

I think a verb of sacrilege would be to desecrate. Desecrate is to de-consecrate, and consecrate is to declare or make something sacred. but maybe that doesn't quite work if there is a distinction drawn between consecrate meaning to make something sacred and sex inherently being a sacred thing.

[@sarahwatson7712]

Random question unrelated to the video but would love to hear your perspective - can/should Catholics do Peloton workouts?

[@davidvanvranken1595]

That story about U2 is similar to Flyleaf and Evanescence

[@javaman8895]

Where is the link to the song referenced in the video when talking about Bono?

[@thatguyzwife]

Does anyone know if this was re-uploaded? I am almost positive I listened to it a month or so beforehand on youtube. Maybe they removed the part about vasectomy reversal (because of the overwhelming response) and re-uploaded it?

[@Loolooette]

2:34:18 SO GOOD

[@claywoodcock933]

If we have questions we'd like asked how can we go about doing that?

[@anahioliveros2011]

❤❤❤

[@sylvieb623]

Does Ascension Press have an edition? Then Fr Schmitz could read it, yes?

[@myronmercado]

Hey Matt. Have you noticed you just reached 507K sucscribers? Do I hear a celebration?

[@ModernLady]

Have Mr. West read “Chastity” by Erik Varden yet?

[@bethmcmullan7686]

Bono (a Protestant) has on numerous occasions rocked up and received Communion when attending Mass, so the rosary thing is definitely the least of his issues.

[@erock5b]

He was baptized Catholic as a child from what I understand. I wasn't sure he actually attended Mass.

[@thatcatholicsaintsguy609]

Truth!

[@bethmcmullan7686]

@@erock5bhe was baptised into the Church of Ireland. His Catholic grandmother then put him under the tap of the sink in an attempt to baptise him Catholic. He was raised in the Church of Ireland (he did go with his father to Mass now and again). He has spoken about growing up Protestant in a largely Catholic country. He absolutely should not be receiving Communion.

[@aliciagomez2817]

I’ve been thinking that for awhile now that this needs to get to Jordan Peterson

[@FreeBirdVince]

1:10:43 I LAUGHED SO HARD

[@1annewatkins]

❤

[@christyread3526]

Where is the photo

[@mariace4848]

1:23:00

[@markjohnson1520]

Reich greatly influenced the notorious Alfred Kinsey

[@mttmee221]

I have a difficult time following this conversation, especially when using poetry/poetic language to make points. Having said that, love Pints with Aquinas.

[@esthert9146]

I’m stunned Michael Knowles does not know you.

[@chrisevans6532]

Who? Knowles and Matt did an interview together.

[@alaincharette9355]

I truly love the view on sexual union and it's true meaning, but I have a question, what about the millions of people who have nobody? I haven't had relations over 20 years, I think one of the drawing factors to porn is the loneliness and lack of relationship, I think that's a huge factor why people can get addicted to porn or even just masturbation, because that's all they have. Not everyone has beautiful wives, not everyone has good looks, it's been really hard for me, the world we live in go's on looks and superficial apperance, our world is so broken, since my conversion 4 years ago I have been struggling with masturbation, I go at least once a week to confession, but I am still struggling with this, it's getting better, but I still fall at least once a week, I know Matt you have a program for addiction to porn but I am poor and can't afford to pay for anything, I would love to use your approach, I have listened to all your talks and I totally agree with you, I am trying to live a consecrated life but I still fall, anyways, thank you Matt for your podcast, I truly recognize God's wisdom speaking to me through you. God bless you and mother Mary hold your heart.

[@ingrid-fs8wl]

Idk if you have heard about the Q&A podcast Christopher West has. I think this would be a great topic to bring up, exactly how you worded it. For the benefit of many other people too. I'll be praying for you and for people that struggle with the same battle. Courage!

[@j2muw667]

Eventually the emptiness of masterbation will be more evident and not a substitute for a real human interaction of GIVING to another, instead of just self pleasure. Give it to God every time you fail. And thank Him for the bodies ability to feel… dont allow evil one tiny bit of a win when ya fail. Give it to God. And confession when failures happen. I’ve been listening to the stories of St John Bosco.. it helps reinforce how important purity is.

[@thatcatholicsaintsguy609]

Matt's program is free.

[@HonestInjury]

I overcame auto-eroticism and porn by praying The Angelus at 6am, 12pm, and 6pm several months ago and I haven’t stopped the prayer. After implementing this small devotion I later realized that it was fitting that the conception of God’s Christ in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit disposed me to love chastity. Chasity is for everyone, in the single person it is different than in the married, but great restraint to avoid sin and maintain devotion is demanded for every Christian married or single. Chasity is an expression of sexuality, NOT an absence of it. It is a virtue that leads to purification of heart which is most necessary for the spiritual life! God with you!

[@KaraSeries9000]

I know I’m 2 weeks late, and I don’t know if this will help, but going to Mass and adoration frequently helped me overcome similar struggles - it didn’t happen over night; it didn’t happen without several trips to confession. A couple of practical things that helped me: -touching a sacramental or praying Hail Marys when I was tempted - because doing that is like heaping coals on the devil’s head, AND it introduces grace into the situation -laughing at wholesome jokes or listening to good music I actually liked - teaching the brain to get dopamine from a different, “safe” source, especially when I needed distraction, comfort, letting off steam, etc. -texting/calling up a friend, (not as an accountability partner, necessarily), but to take the edge off the loneliness and connect someone in a healthy way. I’m not an addiction counselor-at all. I only know what’s worked for my particular situation. Please know, you’re not weak for struggling, and you’re not alone. Hoped this helped you and anyone else who struggles with this and I will keep you in my prayers.

[@michaelmcguirk396]

Thursday should edit out everything except for Matt and Chris moaning and saying yes the entire talk. It sounded like an adult movie the entire time

[@scottsirk9364]

Where in the Catechism does it say human beings have wheat and weeds in each individual

[@TempleofChristMinistries]

Your words come from your flesh, you hunger and thirst because you are without the Christ, you're full of the passions of this world, because you listened to man-made doctrines you listen to The Saints and they're all in error, you will always hunger and you will always thirst, because you are without the Christ and you will never be satisfied, because you believe in the doctrines of men and you will remain there all the days of your life, because you are without because you have no light, you are consumed by external Beauty but you have no inner beauty, the beauty of the spirit, Christ said in John 6:35, I am the bread of life those who come to me will never hunger, whoever Believes in Me will never thirst, but you will always hunger and you will always thirst because you are led by the doctrines of men, the moment you remove yourself from Catholicism then you will find the life, but until that day happens, you will never find it and you will always remain without and you never be satisfied.

[@MrsScott-bx8sb]

"If we're following Jesus it is going to be a bloody mess." I wonder if the fact that, for women, our very God-given nature is a bloody, painful mess, that it is easier for us to align with Christ this way. I was speaking with my parents about my chronic pain and I said to them, "a man, generally, has to do something outside of himself to be in pain. He has to labor, he has to exercise, he has to hurt himself or get hurt. But a woman just has to exist to feel pain. Our very biological nature is painful."

[@jamesflynn4741]

Isn't that interesting. The family not the individual. In the image of God He made them. Where 2 or more are gathered, there am I. Maybe I am not the image of God without someone else. He Himself is a Trinity. How can I alone be the image of a Trinity? The Family is that image as Scott Hahn has said (and others I imagine ). Appreciated 1:08:00 . I'm one of those guys with issues about spousal language X^] in my defense, our Lord called His Apostles 'friends' . But yes I get it

[@AnnulmentProof]

If NFP is licit, then nothing is disordered, just "differently ordered." Some people want procreation, some people don't want procreation. Simple as..

[@gabetheformerforddriver5034]

Forget a cough button. Somebody get matt a moan button lmao