35. How to properly wash your Saddle and Gear and accessories

Washing your saddle, gear and accessories in scent free detergent in washtub or 5-gallon bucket, discussing a proper scent control regimen, scent free laundry detergents, hanging washed saddle and gear outside to air dry, and requesting John’s scent control regimen documents (he promises not to tell anyone).

[@user-kh8bp6ue8y]

John's the real deal, been following him forever and he's never altered anything he's ever said, always consistent, straight shooter. We appreciate you John!

[@keltonblack762]

Dead down wind is different than All, Tide, Purex unscented detergents in that Dead Down Wind is Enzyme based. I believe Scent Lok detergent also contains their Silver Alloy Treatment. Slightly different than your common commercial detergents. I use Tide free and clear for all my regular wear clothing and try to stick to Dead down wind, elimishield, or Scent Lok for hunting clothing.

[@rodger603]

John I didn't see your email to get them documents. I'm going to buy a suit this year and also some warm gear so want to learn the right way to take care of it. Seasons a ways away but it will be here quick but already super excited. Have a feeling that this year will be a different year!

[@dantemack6239]

All free and clear still has uv Brighteners in it. Only reason I buy dead down wind

[@MetropolitanK9]

Just come across this video looking for a better way to clean my saddle. I train police dogs for scent-work, as well as my personal dogs for hunting. Theirs a ton of research on a dogs nose. Training these dogs and knowing what I know has made me neurotic about my scent control regiment. Is it 100% effective against a deers nose? No. But nothing is 100% when you’re hunting. Scent control, in conjunction with other measures will be more effective than any one measure used alone. Keep doing what you’re doing. I appreciate, and enjoy your videos. Thank you for all you do!

[@micahdunleavy9227]

Early season here in southern MO/Ark there is no way to hunt without bug spray until middle of October so scent control isn’t happening until it freezes or you’ll die of tick born illness..

[@chutto12]

John, Thank you for all of the information and experiences that you share with the hunting community! There is no doubt that you are making it possible for each and every one of us to become better hunters.

[@isaactyson4618]

I think the reason that many hunters like myself have abandoned scent control is because the amount of time and effort required to maintain it caused too much stress and anxiety and it unintentionally took some of the fun out of bowhunting. I would personally rather be less succussful and have fun than more successful and be stressed out by the scent control regiment. To each his own. Thanks for sharing all the good info for the guys that want to go that route.

[@johneberhart4062]

As I mention, you have to be detail oriented and it does require more work that just hunting the wind. It's all about what a hunter wants out of hunting and of course, where a hunter hunts has a lot to do with what opportunities they recieve and how much they have to deal with certain things that hunters in pressured areas have to deal with if they want to kill mature bucks.

[@christophervaughan1650]

John, Michigan native here however my career has taken me to GA. You aren’t kidding that scent spray crap doesn’t work. I pay attention to wind, don’t really want to spend any money on the scent lock stuff. I have learned a lot from watching your videos and prior to KZbin thank you for all the insight.

[@pathingmusic]

Thanks for taking the time to share this information with us, John. You’ve given me a lot to consider as a newbie doing research and getting in the woods.

[@johneberhart4062]

Good luck

[@bendrixbailey1430]

Excellent advice John. Your lifetime of work on scent management (not elimination) has changed hunting; deer, bear, anything with a nose and fear of humans. Thanks. And by the way, I’m glad a lot of hunters refuse to try your methods, and tell lies to other hunters about how they don’t work. It means more mature deer for me! We who know should get together and pay you to stop educating people! PS: I’m gonna fund more forums that tell lies about scent control! The Pants In Boots hunters forum!

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks Ben and I know you don't pay attention to wind either and you hunt in a very tough state concerning pressure. If I can help some of these new hunters be more successful, it makes me feel good and I'm certainly not doing any of this for the money as I don't get any. Have turned down many opportunities to promote products and always will. I may design something that helps, but not just promote for the money like the TV guys do.

[@howardkuhn2793]

I had the original Scentlok liner suit..my deer sightings increased dramatically.. been using it ever since..it works!!!!

[@dish797]

Amen!!! Who care what others think. I know how my results changed for the better. I'll give my opinion but do not concern myself with changing anyone's mind. Good stuff John.

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks

[@MichaelWilliams-yf1eo]

All the best and good luck with your season John !!

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks Michael and you as well

[@johneberhart4062]

WOW, I have sent 356 scent regimen requests from this video and there are 11 documents in each reply.

[@dustincolvin4378]

Scentlok needs to write you a check! I’ve gone strictly scentlok and my wife is getting aggravated with my obsessive new laundry routine 😄

[@MexicanMovie]

I'm hunting the "Eberhart Way" this year, my new Scentlok is activated and ready to go !!! And in a saddle at that !!!!! Born in 1951 ????? Holy crap, you're a badass !!! I'm 56 and I hope i can still hunt as hard as you do when i get that age !!! Good luck this year and turn that camera on when you recover your deer !!!

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks KP

[@MexicanMovie]

@@johneberhart4062 I got the scent control regimen, thanks a lot ! What gloves will you be wearing while installing the climbing sticks on the day of the hunt (rubber gloves or the Scentlok gloves) ? I have Beast sticks and I am washing them and the straps now because I had to put Stealth strips on them to deaden the noise, and they are full of scent. Almost thinking of 1 sticking up the tree since i rappel down anyway to cut out scent from all the other sticks I'd have to carry. Also washing my straps on my cranfords, those straps were dirty and full of scent I'm sure also.

[@V1KTOR33]

I have a strong scent control regime. I’m also Lucky my wife doesn’t like scented detergent and things like that. but I drank the koolaid of not being able to fool a deers nose. Not because somebody told me after doing research it did seem impossible. 2022 I’m emailing and going full tilt. Nothing to lose.

[@eberhartoutdoors4219]

Non scentlok garments should always be worn on the inside of scentlok whenever possible. They gather scent particles extremely rapidly and do not absorb it. Scentlok doesn't completely remove all scent but rather brings it down to a level that deer don't see it as a threat - Joe

[@bikerbrandon1]

Im reading your books and ive watched almost all your videos and you have changed my hunting world thank you for sharing your priceless knowledge with us.

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks and you're welcome

[@marcodevecchis8145]

John, I would like a copy of your Scent Regiment if you wouldn't mind. Thanks!

[@anthonybasile207]

John, what about new rubber insulated boots that have that rubber factory smell?? Does that odor leave a trail? Do I need to upgrade possibly?! Michigan hunter here on the west side ;) appreciate your help!

[@JS-ji5bl]

Thanks for the info..👍

[@andrewhovey6715]

John, Have you seen where Carbon Synergy works as good as Scent Lok? (product to infuse clothing with activated carbon). I spent a lot of money last year on new hunting cloths that is not Scent Lok. Also, have you seen where treating your clothes with ozone helps at all? Thank you John. I’ve hunted for 25 years and I’ve learned more from you in the last 4 months.

[@anotheryoutuber_]

you can buy activated carbon in a powder and colloidal silver to treat any garment, just throw the garment in a tub, use distilled water and shake and bake it. the carbon powder will darken your clothing a tad even after it dries, so use less than you think you need but it will absolutely do the trick, youll need to reapply after washing but not drying. you can spray the silver solution on you base garments, if you want it on your clothes, i spray my body after showering with silver it works great. ill use an ozone generator in a tub if i don't have clothes to swap into as a dry wash, but i wont use it in the woods because of its smell. youll want to store the carbon powder in an air tight container so it does not continually absorbs compounds. the silver should be kept in a dark bottle. hope this helps.

[@jaredglass2562]

Still be very careful getting non hunting detergent . I purchased what i thought was dye free detergent and it turned out it wasnt. Personally ill stick with hunting detergent becasue im confident there are no dyes.

[@legendaryhabitatllc7649]

Great video John, my goal by the end of this Michigan bow season is to get my scent control good enough to not pay attention to the wind. Thanks to your scent control program!

[@johneberhart4062]

Your welcome

[@williamprigge9443]

Thanks John for this video and all your videos. There always seems to be a bit of information that I can pick up from you.

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks William

[@AH-mw8vi]

Thanks for sharing. I’ve been an avid hunter from WI but hunt all over for pretty much everything. I have a military and gov background and an education in sociology and social work. It is always refreshing listening to a confident, NOT arrogant person that is detail oriented and passionate about hunting. I’m tired of watching guys with decades of experience that are great hunters but jerks and some young groups are entertaining just not at John’s level. John comes across as a quite professional

[@johneberhart4062]

Thank you AH and thanks for your service.

[@brux3822]

I installed Lone Wolf cable aiders on my Beast sticks. I'm very pleased with them. I wish that the Tethrd sticks were on the market back when I bought my Beast sticks...

[@johneberhart4062]

Beast sticks are awesome as well.

[@garrettstraffon608]

I just got a new back pack. Can I wash it in washer or should I soak it. And another question is the more you wash your garments the more you weaken the suit

[@cjr4497]

I try to do most of this stuff. I am the only one out of family and friends that does anything for scent control. Makes it tough when hunting with them. The stuff I can't wash or put in the drier gets ozone treated in the truck the night before the hunt eg: pack, bow, sticks, platform, range finder, binos. My scentlok gets reactivated while I am getting ready in the morning. I am fully invested in scentlok. Every deer hunting garment I own is scentlok. Thanks for the detergent tip. I have been buying the hunting brand products for years. Have any views on ozone? I know in high concentrations it smells strongly for quite a while.

[@AndrewBear469]

Good info John. Youve killed more deer than ive probably seen but do you care about the UV brighteners in detergents? A lot of the free and clears still have them so i use the atsko scent free and no brighteners. I hunt state land in Roscommon county so happy when i even see deer lol so try to have as much as i can control in my favor. Been saddle hunting since 2006 thanks to your books and dvds i have. Thanks for all the great information! Would be interested in your scent lok routine info.

[@mr.skeptical3071]

I love scent loc. But thier head covers are huge!!! I wish they would come out with much smaller sizes!

[@johneberhart4062]

OSFA is all they offer

[@msc4570]

Really enjoy your information. I was always interested in saddle hunting from your articles in Woods n Waters, then figured I'd give it a try after seeing the Tethrd guys on THP. Went with the Phantom and got my best bow buck out of it. So I was pumped. But after watching your videos of your preference for the two panel saddle, I figured I'd try it out because you know what you're talking about. And you were right! I got the ESS, and once I made a couple of modifications which, judging from your videos, I think you also ended up doing, loved it and I'll be selling the Phantom. Please post when and where the saddles will be available at retail outlets here in Michigan, as I will definitely be getting another as a spare. And you were right about the platform too. I got one because I did not know any better. It worked, but I prefer the ring of steps I ended up getting to try out. Keep up the good work.

[@johneberhart4062]

They are available at Jay's, D&R Sports, Northwoods, Hilltop Sports, Hicks Outdoors, Franks Great Outdoors, Shooters in TC, Schupbach's, Knutson's and several other retail outlets.

[@michaelflowers6048]

Exactly so many people listen to information without doing their own research

[@johneberhart4062]

Yes they do and many just don't know who to believe as there are opinions on everything.

[@George-ro6bw]

Another great video. Thanks John. Deer seem to like grape Cool-Aid powder though lol.

[@johneberhart4062]

I guess.

[@pabloesquivel754]

John knows what he's talking about,and if you don't believe it... you can look up his name on the record books. And that's all !

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks Jose

[@tyfreeman6307]

My only problem with my scentlok, "yes I'm still using the suits", is even with the minimal washing, and washing on handwash setting in washer, my warm weather suits continue to have carbon and zeolite falling out of them onto my skin...

[@michaelsullivan8897]

Don't they have uv brightness? The detergents

[@Michigandrivenoutdoors]

I like how you say how it is about the groups on fb. I have friends that shoot giants in Illinois, Iowa. They pay a couple thousand to hunt managed land. Yes they shoot some big ones but I would rather outsmart a 6 point or bigger buck on public and harvest that deer. Makes a person a better hunter, outdoorsman.

[@johneberhart4062]

Amen , amen, amen, as I would a well.

[@chasenewhouse367]

Thank you for the books and videos! Will you be doing hunting videos this fall?

[@johneberhart4062]

No, where I hunt I don't want a camera in the tree and would never allow a cameraman. Hell, hunting by myself for the past 3 seasons in Michigan, I haven't even seen a shooter buck. Imagine paying a cameraman for 100 hunts of not seeing anything to shoot. Opportunities are just too rare here. When I go out of state I might tote a camera.

[@k.danylchuk2026]

Are you sure about your claims of equivalency between commercial laundry detergents and specific sports wash detergent? Even scent free laundry detergent still includes uv enhancers.

[@darkobegic]

Hey John, thanks for all the information . Is there going to be a video on how you eliminate the scent from your bow?

[@johneberhart4062]

No, that just takes using a scent free wipe o wipe the bow down.

[@Allegiance_Outdoors]

Great info!! I have never heard you mention it but what are your thought on Ozone? Either to “wash” your clothes or in the field? Seems like the technology and literature supports the notion. Thoughts?

[@johneberhart4062]

I use an ozone in my van and that's it. Ozone machines leave a foreign ozone odor on garments that can spook deer in heavily pressured lands. I know a TV hunter that was sponsored by the top ozone overhead machine on the market and he killed a bunch of P&Y bucks on TV using the ozone machine overhead and guess what, he resides in Michigan and doesn't use it on his own property because it spooks mature deer due to the foreign odor. Just goes to prove that TV fantasy land deer will tolerate a ton of things that mature bucks in heavily pressured areas, will not tolerate.

[@brooks8656]

Anytime you rag the tv guys you get a like from me. Thanks for the video John

[@johneberhart4062]

Amen to that Brook! If I were a non hunter and all I had to base what deer hunting is about was from watching TV, I would lean to the anti hunting side as they make it look almost unfair because it is so easy where they hunt and anyone can sit in a box blind and shoot one of the many bucks that come into the exposed short fields they hunt. I would be embarrassed to kill a deer under the conditions they hunt.

[@brooks8656]

@@johneberhart4062 when I was growing up I was glued to the outdoor channel. I developed a lot of bad habits from watching those guys.

[@k.danylchuk2026]

Where do you buy your saddles? Are there more than one brand of 2 panel saddles?

[@Brian-dh9lp]

I work to much to waste the time to do all this. I did better when I stopped spraying my clothes, played the wind and kept moving and hunted fresh stand sited.

[@k.danylchuk2026]

What are "aiders"? Are they home made straps, can you buy them somewhere.

[@feyrband]

Both. Traditional.Bowhunting and Wilderness Podcast channel on here has some good vids, but there are tons of videos on all the different ways to do them. Some 1 step per stick, some are multi steps like mini rope ladders, some have 1 they move as they climb from one stick to the next, some just use 1 on the first stick. Then the different materials.

[@jamesmarshall5794]

Are you under the impression that if you go through your scent free regimen, deer can't smell you at all or do you think they smell such a tiny amount of your odor they believe you are much further away than you actually are?

[@johneberhart4062]

In the ScentLok activated carbon tests done at Rutgers University for the District Court in Florida, using 10,000 times more odor molecules than the human body could produce in 24 hours, ScentLok's activated carbon lined garments adsorbed 96 to 99% of the odor molecules. So I guess there could be some miniscule odor, but in the past 20 years, I have not been winded. Been picked before, but not winded and tonight I had 11 does and fawns 360 degrees around me for over an hour and never had a head raise to test the wind. It could be that they think the danger is too far away, I don't know for positive.

[@B.r.i.a.n.1]

@@johneberhart4062 the tests were not done for the district court. They were "closed system" tests done for and under specific consitions paid for by scent lock to be used in the discovery process( and probably all of the other big name defendants in that case). There were expert witnesses that called into question actual carbon coverage on the fabric sighting numbers in the 20% and one expert said it would be innefective in preventing odor from the human breath, he said it would go right through the gaps.

[@Landovr289]

Does the water and soap not degrade the stiching by soaking and the ropes have a warning not to wash ???

[@Captn_Cor]

@7:05 . Good video.

[@buckstop1031]

What do you do with natural sweat on your bag going/ coming in early season or warm days in the fall?

[@Howlin23]

Let’s see your mods to the ESS

[@garrettsmith7757]

I second this

[@mikemccrum1910]

Third.. ive modified mine as well

[@johneberhart4062]

For liability reasons I can't

[@twrea1118]

John, how do you feel about campfire smoke smell on clothes, gear etc?

[@anttiarkkukangas]

Great info! Thank you 🏹🦌

[@johneberhart4062]

You're welcome

[@cmiller504]

John, I have a question, I leave my sticks and my saddle in the back of my truck, outdoors, pretty much all of hunting season, even after it is washed and cleaned. Is that a bad idea? Will it pick up human odor just from being out in the weather in the back of my truck?

[@feyrband]

I'd put them in a tote to have a smaller area to control. Organization bonus as well. If you're worried, you could chuck a phaze charcoal odor absorber in there.

[@justinjhauser5110]

Good luck this hunting season John! In Your opinion what is the quietest colder weather ScentLok suit? I hate ordering things when I can't handle them to see how quiet they are.

[@MexicanMovie]

Hey I just ordered the "Stealth" pants for $113 from Scentlok and they gotta be as quiet as John's custom backpack. They are midweight fleece, but be forewarned that everything in every thicket is gonna stick to those pants. I got mine in XL and i can wear as much as i want underneath to stay super warm (I am 5'9" 165 pounds).

[@justinjhauser5110]

@@MexicanMovie Thank you for the info! Much appreciated!

[@silentassassin1108]

how well would a scentlok base layer work compared to jacket and pants if you were to put something thats not scentlok over it and still followed the same scent control process? Just asking because Ive already got 2 other full outfits but neither are scentlok.

[@chadbinette3201]

Really been doing my research on saddles and I've come down to the ess or the phantom. It would be my first saddle. Have used a climber for 15 plus years and just time to move on. I think I know your answer, (the one with your name on it haha) but I'm sure you have input on all of tethrd saddles and what you would recommend for a first saddle, phantom or ess? I'm 5'10 and 160 lbs so any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[@Picard80]

Thank you for sharing all those tips and experiences. How do you manage face covering while wearing glasses?

[@johneberhart4062]

I don't wear glasses when hunting. My pins are blurry but I only shoot out to 30 yards and a deer is pretty big.

[@WilliamAM43]

John do you use anything on your release and bow? Do you recommend any of the sprays? Just considering the contact from shooting practice. Thanks for the video, just got my stuff off the clothes line after a couple days.

[@johneberhart4062]

I never use sprays because I feel many of them have a foreign odor. I wipe my bow with scent free wipes and the next video will have that on it.

[@WilliamAM43]

@@johneberhart4062 Thank you John, look forward to it.

[@asse1112]

Do you soak your fabrics in water with baking soda??

[@johneberhart4062]

No, but it's not a bad idea.

[@EROCK1966]

Hey John I'm definitely not a koolaid drinker but I must say you have the best flavor lol I would love to use a scent control system but the cost is nowhere near my budget.Any ideas to cut costs for the many I'm sure that can't afford the very costly items?If you happen to have items you no long use I live relatively close here in Michigan . 😂 😂 😆 Lol.. I know you have items from 40 years plus you still use to this day but figured it worth a try 😂.GOOD LUCK THIS YEAR. TODAY OCT 1ST .HEADED OUT FOR AFTERNOON HUNT.....

[@johneberhart4062]

A ScentLok coverall is only $200 and it has a built in hood and facemask.

[@EROCK1966]

@@johneberhart4062 Really I will definitely be looking into that thanks ...

[@Gibsonlife573]

What kind of toats do you use

[@B.r.i.a.n.1]

Have you seen the myth busters or even seek 1 video on scent control. The myth busters episode was especially thorough. Nothing they did including wearing a respirator and moving through water even remotely slowed down the dogs. Just curious on your opinion being an activated carbon believer?

[@kentuckywildcat2592]

I would trust personal observation over a tv show... too much fake crap out there.

[@B.r.i.a.n.1]

@@Digglerdirk79-l4y I agree, I love john and even hunt from an ess but scent control is not 100% not even close.

[@B.r.i.a.n.1]

@@kentuckywildcat2592 could be true but i saw no reason for bias from the crew. They had unlimited resources and were not even technically testing for hunting purposes. The dogs never even slowed or hesitated no matter what measures they took. Seek 1 test had human scent everywhere and the dogs found the actual human also without hesitation.

[@brux3822]

Carbon garments decrease the concentration of your scent being released to the air causing the deer to think that the hunter is farther away than he/she actually is. It's impossible to completely mask your scent but you can trick the deer using scent lok. You can't fool the deer's nose but you can fool his brain so to speak...

[@kentuckywildcat2592]

@@B.r.i.a.n.1 I have sat tucked in the woods after practicing scent control and had a hunting dog walk right past me. I wasn't even wearing scentlok at the time. Animals can be fooled. I've seen it happen time and time again. Making the effort to control scent pays off.

[@brianguest5622]

Do u wash ur Tether and lineman’s belt?

[@johneberhart4062]

Absolutely

[@austinphillips9966]

Who makes the best merino wool?

[@johneberhart4062]

Icebreaker by leaps and bounds with First Lite being 2nd and ScentLok 3rd.

[@austinphillips9966]

@@johneberhart4062 thanks John!

[@benjones4920]

Hey John, I sent an email to the email listed and it failed to send claiming the email was not in use. Any other email I can request the regiment at? Thanks

[@stevegermain1222]

Aren't you concerned about the chlorine in the hot tub putting scent on those items

[@johneberhart4062]

The cover is on the tub and we never use it. It just sits there burning up electricity.

[@stevendoletzky3635]

I love you John.... But your videos are toooooooo long.... You tell us what you are gonna tell us..... Over and over..... Tell us what you are gonna tell us (once) Then tell us (once) Then briefly.... briefly... Tell us what you told us (once) That way more people will finish your video and you will make even more money Please dont take this wrong

[@richarddean3154]

Great video on taking care of the scent on your gear. I really appreciate it. Good luck this fall, Sir.

[@johneberhart4062]

Thanks

[@scottglew9641]

I heard on a podcast that you ziploc your #2 s if thats true that next level

[@MexicanMovie]

Funny you mention that. 4 years ago i had to take a #2 right as i got to my spot in the river bottoms, so i did it in some tall grass about 75 yards from the tree i was gonna climb. I had just gotten up the tree and got situated and i heard some snorting sounds which turned out to be 2 giant horse sized does... they sniffed my #2 and both bolted out of there really quick. It was still dark but just enough grey light that i could make them out. Ziploc isn't a bad idea, i think I'd better pack a couple for my first ever "Eberhart Year" !!!!!

[@1GregCB]

With your bucks being at Jay's sporting goods do you work for them?

[@johneberhart4062]

I was the archery buyer for them in the 1970's and I quit working there in 1979.

[@andrewsokol3116]

Love your videos! Made me such a better hunter! You made it possible for me to kill my first 8pt florida swamp buck! Thank you!

[@johneberhart4062]

That is awesome Andrew and thanks

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[@jonathanestes7679]

Hey John! Good info as always. Could you do a video on your layering and what scent lok garments you’d recommend at different points in the year? I’d like to invest in the clothing line. I’m just unsure if I should do outer most layer as scent lok always, or if the base layers being scent lok is enough. Thanks!

[@robertferrier9536]

In some of John’s older videos he states that having scentlok as the outer most layer is most important. He actually prefers merino wool base layers rather than activated carbon. Merino wool is antimicrobial and more comfortable.

[@johneberhart4062]

I'll write that down for a video as layering undergarments and changing on stand is an art form in itself. It's awesome when you can have a hunt and be comfortable the entire time. With that said, I don't live in the south where it can be 85 degrees. I would have to figure something out for that and it would be difficult as I break a sweat pretty easy.

[@jonathanestes7679]

You’re right about the heat. Normally during November it will get down into the 40-60s range. It is a wide range of temps we can experience before it actually stays cold. I definitely don’t layer on bibs or outer shells until hitting the stand. Our walks in are about like yours John.

[@brux3822]

I've been treating my saddle and backpack with a large ozone air cleaner in a small closet and it seems to do the trick. I'm also a carbon garment guy. Are those detergents safe for carbon garments then too?

[@kentuckywildcat2592]

You have to watch using ozone on safety gear. Too much of it can deteriorate certain fabrics/rubber, etc.

[@brux3822]

@@kentuckywildcat2592 - Thanks. I was wondering about that. I guess I will only use it when I don't have time to wash and dry it or when it's too cold out to air dry it outside.

[@johneberhart4062]

You shouldn't wash carbon garments and if you do, don't use any detergent, just wash in cold water.