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[@willcline5918]

"This is a handicap piece of equipment" "You should have led with that" He *DID* lead with that

[@cannace4mafa439]

They just don't want anyone that's not like them to be on the trail handicapped or not they believe they make rules an enforce them to

[@samismith8752]

I honestly cannot applaud that guys's patience enough. I'd have been spitting and swearing and completely lost my shit. Fucking with people who are disadvantaged and then having the gall to victim blame rather than apologize is peak asshole behavior. Anyone caught on tape doing this shit needs to be banned from the public spaces where they engage in this behavior. Same with the dickheads in trucks that try to clip someone on a bike. Mandatary jail time, 10 year license suspension. Easy. Without real, honest to goodness consequences there's no reason for these Karens not to continue their dangerous, abusive behavior.

[@randym119]

And even if he didn't. He doesn't need to.

[@Pellagrah]

@@samismith8752 If the harassment continued, he could've genuinely taken legal action or even pressed charges. Anyone with a disability needs to be armed with a basic understanding of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Karens just LOVE to maliciously misinterpret the rules so they can bully anyone they perceive to be vulnerable, especially people with disabilities.

[@Dabby724]

yeah the female was just as dumb as the male.

[@NeonPixels81]

I live in Japan, so this hostility to bikers is just completely alien to me. Bikers are literally part of the driving tests here. If you don't drive in a way that convinces the test proctor that you're aware of bikers 100% of the time, they just fail you instantly. It's not even a question.

[@hunterbuscus3000]

In the United States you take a drivers test once and it’s just driving around like 2 streets and there’s no culture of respecting bikers. Everyone essentially automatically hates them.

[@d3faulted2]

Do the bikers in your country follow traffic rules? The hostility here stems from the fact that they largely don't.

[@jacobwhite9961]

​@D3faulted 1 just so you know in the UK, not Japan, we are taught to adhere to bikers and other motorists when they disobey the road laws. We are taught to not engage and leave it to traffic officers most we can do is record and report. In fact you can actually be fined if you try to tell people the law. I know as an escooterist who actually got someone fined for dangerous driving from my helmet cam footage. They were shouting at me for riding illegally clearly not being aware of thier surroundings as they hit a kirb (Know that privatly owned e scooters are illegal in the UK, but I wasn't prosecuted as I was being safe on the cycle lane). I didn't try and lecture them I just went to the police station on my scooter and presented them the video. Showed in court a few weeks later and the guy got points on his licence and a fine. I was very smug. But I think the system worked, while we were both being illegal due to how I reacted I was let off while he wasn't as he was the one being a danger

[@NeonPixels81]

@@jacobwhite9961 My wife and I have often said rather than move back to the US if we want to leave Japan, we'd move to the UK, so this is great to hear. Also it's very honest of you to admit where you were in the wrong as well as the other person, that's not very common in the US so it's quite refreshing.

[@75egcg]

I’ve rode my bike safely for years and always encountered people throwing stuff at me and spitting on me. I finally decided to hang up riding a bicycle for good when a motorist swerved at me and caused me to dive off the edge of the road into the woods fracturing my wrist, ribs, bruised liver, and I got stuck with a $30,000 medical bill as the driver walked away completely free.

[@ilikechickensausages2075]

When i was a kid someone strung up fishing line and nearly cut my neck, This was before E-bikes but none the less scary. We were just kid's ridding around our BMX bikes.

[@NiSiochainGanSaoirse]

In my home town, we have a council estate (what we call projects in Britain) which borders a sizeable old quarry, and all the dirt bikers and ebikers used to ride down there, because it's out of the way, with mega wide roads, and leads directly to a dirt bike site. The local kids started hanging washing lines across the road at the entrance to the quarry, and seriously hurt a number of young lads, stealing their motorbikes after they'd fallen off when the washing line caught their necks. Thankfully, it's a narrow entrance so the lads were slowing down when they hit the wires, but if they'd been riding much faster they'd have been decapitated. Sadly, one young lad DID get decapitated at a local quarry a few years ago, and the council closed all these old quarries from public use.

[@cheshire_]

pretty sure I have seen that in a movie, completely forgot about it until now well thank you I'm scared of going off roading now

[@rebelartstudio3730]

​@@NiSiochainGanSaoirsethat wul be consdered a felony assalt really

[@michaeleverett2650]

Ha Ha,😂 I'm laughing my ass off.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

People like to do that a lot. I had great eyesight as a kid and could sometimes see the thin steel wires stretched across the trees. Riding a bicycle off-road today would get me killed.

[@bulletproof4716]

These people remind of the time some Karens stopped me riding my ebike on a trail on my property. They called the cops and they tried to argue with the cops about me riding on a private trail on my property. They ended up going to jail and their bikes getting towed

[@Zetler]

Lol poetic justice.

[@Temmmpla]

owned

[@ericwainwright7876]

Karma is a bitch - LOL

[@ronedwards8239]

The day I got mine a male Karen tried that crap with me. Ignorant people make crap up in their head and speak it like it’s the law. Then get angry when proven wrong. It’s hard to fix stupid. The lady at the end of the video is a complete mental case! Should be locked up.

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

Kudos to the cops

[@SackyX]

Being a disabled person that used to bike everywhere, I would love to have one of these E-bikes. People can be so impatient these days.

[@macaronienshiis]

Not impatient. Stupid.

[@SackyX]

@@mikewebb1487 That really sucks, they should change the laws with e-bikes imo.

[@Energine1]

@@mikewebb1487 If they require an endorsment for the trike then it IS a motorcycle there and could be used for the test. Try talking to the actual instructors that run the test. I bet they would be able to oblige you considering. Good luck and fight the good fight :)

[@JH-xc1ce]

@@SackyX I would agree, but the line becomes a bit blurry. I’m a motorcyclist, but I see a lot of people who ride e-bikes and treat them the same as bicycles… but they’re going 35-50 mph. Only a bike helmet and not following road safety laws any competent motorcyclist would. Some people think that ebikes are bicycles you don’t have to pedal. They aren’t, and they’re much more dangerous. But others think of them as motorcycles. They’re not, they’re not as dangerous. They’re in a weird twilight zone and require their own rules.

[@tubytootoo]

@@JH-xc1ce yeah right now ebikes are like having the benefits of both a bike and a motorcycle; but probably shouldn’t. A bike with 1000w and no limiter can easily get 30 on the flats. My onyx was getting 45 no problem, but people would scoot up on sidewalks with them, which probably they shouldn’t. I gave up my onyx though. It was too motorbikey, honestly, I want to feel like I’m pedaling, so standard ebike is plenty good for me, and going 25 as a max speed is totally sufficient.

[@barrelracer318]

I literally had a karen encounter like that last video. She got downright nasty with me, shoved me and my bike over, and herself, fell over the bike as well while doing so. Called 911 because she got a booboo on her leg. The police showed up. An ambulance showed up. I was questioned, while she was having a self induced panic attack. The officer saw my travel cam footage and my gps for speed acknowledgement. Dismissed me, she became extremely belligerent to the officer and the paramedic because I was given the right to leave. I stayed while she started to assault the officer, and waved as the police car pulled off with her in the back seat. I still see her once and a while around the paths this happened at.

[@chrisbarrett5570]

Amazing story

[@kevinc8387]

Oh man, something you got to post. Love it.

[@henrysniper8481]

Why are there so many nut cases on bicycles now ??

[@IhaytFukkingsocialmedia]

im telling you- the lunatics ALWAYS out themselves. let them fall victim to their own insanity.

[@asdaven1]

People could litterally live a lower stress lifestyle and have less panic attacks by just not creating these situation onto themselves and just worry about themselves.

[@fuckucatchme1000rr]

I’m a dirtbike guy I always laugh when people say that E-bikes will be more accepted. Fact is people see you enjoying yourself and they hate you for it. Doesn’t really matter what it is, that will never change.

[@N0xiety]

Honestly, i can understand when the land owners become sick of dirt bikers tho. Not saying you do it, but there are a lot of videos of people dirt biking in some guys land without permission, and they treat the owners like air when faced, antagonizing them etc. There are others who bike in gated communities with trails etc. and just laugh it off when someone tells them to fck off. People who live out there most likely do so for a reason, dirt bikes making so much noise on their land is surely not something they look forward to every day...

[@CB-rv2lj]

They will be, you’re generalizing all ebikes when Suron and company are different animals all together. They will not be in the same class once they are differentiated by legislators

[@the.wayne.b]

lol absolute truth. if you're having fun, someone else isn't lol.

[@wannabecarguy]

motorcycle envy is a real thing. ebikes are motorcycles.

[@jothain]

@@wannabecarguy ebike is ebike 🙃

[@LuisvilleLip]

they are exactly the type of people who will run stop signs and red lights without looking twice and they have the gall to tell others about laws and rules

[@MontanaPDX]

They think they own everything they step foot on. Pure entitled narcissism.

[@FlockofSmeagles]

Some of them practice the same kind rash and assumptive logic that you do, yes. That's the actual issue here.

[@theunderdog6446]

“You should have lead with that” HE LITERALLY DID WTF

[@kropking]

He doesn't owe them an explanation in the first place.

[@EdD-ym6le]

Those kind of people are never wrong and low test beta boy was being a man for his girl .

[@stormysyndrome7043]

@@EdD-ym6le Was she a girl, or the man of the family?

[@travthetoker5976]

Egos be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fucking high

[@Mash3OH3]

I would of said eat shit pal. If he come towards me with that kind of attitude l.

[@2fercarol]

Really makes me mad when handicapped people are attacked. Especially by these people who think they are entitled.

[@adamjohn0]

Exactly, they should be spending more time minding their own business. Rather than prancing around telling people what that can and can't do.

[@frankzappaspussy7362]

fair enough for handicapped people to rely on motorised vehicles to get about.. however if they are traveling on a thin path used by pedestrians - then it is sensible for them to move at a moderate speed or people are in danger of being seriously hurt.. the issue of pedestrians being in danger does not go away just because the person driving the motorised vehicle is handicapped..

[@vettemuziekjes]

I sure hope that woman doesn't get children from him.

[@ralphpeteranderl4063]

@@frankzappaspussy7362 I agree - just because you are handicapped doesn't mean that you could drive an F150 on the trail.

[@colinryshaf3295]

handicapped people can f. off if they are endangering other peoples lives they are, or should be, just as accountable as everyone else...

[@MrRed-cf6gk]

"You should have led with that." He literally did lead with that.

[@pedroclaro7822]

That's what American has become, people complaining about anything and everything. When I was a punk that used to be our motto "question everything" lol

[@K162KingPin]

I certainly would not have reacted like that. I probably wouldn't have said anything to the guy. I'm not oblivious and it would have been obvious he was handicapped. That said, the trail did apparently prohibit motorized vehicles. It is a sad reality that not EVERYTHING in the world can be made handicap accessible. Saying its an E bike doesn't change anything about the park rules. E bikes use electric "MOTORS". I highly doubt the rules only specifically prohibit "Motorized vehicles that run on combustible fuel, of a specific size or greater". I have seen many of these tiny motor warriors trying to stick it to the man by using non combustion motors, or even combustion motors that fall under the legal limit requiring registration, insurance, and licensing to operate. None of that has anything to do with trails in a park. The park managers can set whatever rules they like. The rule they set was "no motors". This guy may be handicapped but I bet he can read. He got a sensational over reactions but he did it by breaking the park rules. That's not a hero fighting for the rights of the handicapped, its a anarchist creating clickbait for people who can't see beyond the surface of a situation. If anything he makes handicapped people look like a bunch of aholes who are going to shove their disability in your face and try to force you to let them do whatever they feel like, rules be damned.

[@lorehammer40k4]

@@K162KingPin But the trail didn't need to be "made" handicap accessible, because it already was, evidenced by the fact that we both just watched a video of the handicapped man accessing it. Either way, you're very right that the rules can be set by the US Forestry Service, and guess what! They already did! And their rules state that a wheelchair or other power-driven mobility devices is allowed any where that foot traffic is allowed. Oh, and the Department of Justice has stated that mobility devices are allowed on any public accommodations (which includes public lands and any private trail that is open to the public, or any other "place of recreation") according to Titles II and III of the Americans with Disabilities Act, but just the tiniest amount of common sense and empathy would have already told you that, assuming you had any. Can you show me on the doll where the tiny motor warriors touched you? Are the tiny motor warriors in the room with us right now? Oh, and where did this guy ever claim to be some kind of hero fighting for the rights of the handicapped? Other than in your imagination I mean (and the amount of nonsense you decided was reality based on your imagination is actually kind of impressive). And now he's a goddamn anarchist? Do you hear yourself? That man was following every rule, but just because you are ignorant of the rules you think he's "throwing his disability in your face"? Seriously? Thank god we had a real hero like you to stand up to that anarchist disabled man who can't stop shoving his disability in our faces by existing in a public place. Doesn't he realize that us normals go to these kinds of places specifically so we don't have to look at disgusting disabled people like him? Thank you so much, Mr FullSizeGaming for making sure he stays inside his house like his type is supposed to! Maybe in the future, you should keep your mouth shut and let everyone assume you might be a bit of an idiot instead of opening it and proving you're a complete idiot. You are the exact type of Karen that would call the cops on a blind man for having a service dog in a restaurant. Seriously, do better, because this behavior is just disgusting. "Oh, I wouldn't have acted like the people in the video, even if the disgusting disabled anarchist motor warrior was provoking me by shoving his disability in my face by being outside." You dropped your rubber nose and giant shoes, my liege, and you should take this crown too, because you are clearly the King of Clowntown.

[@K162KingPin]

@@lorehammer40k4 You know I only read the first 7 words of that rant right? The fact remains that you are WRONG and I am RIGHT. Period end of story. The fact that a person can break the park rules and travel in an area with a prohibited vehicle does not in any way prove that it is acceptable. You "could" drive a bulldozer down the interstate but it would destroy the roads for everyone else. You "could" drive a bus through a playground but it would create an unacceptable safety hazard for the children and parents. Obviously the ability to do something does not in any way make it acceptable, especially when there are rules specifically prohibiting it. There is no prohibition for handicapped people to use the train, or even to use human powered vehicles. The prohibition is for "motorized" vehicles which he was using. Last I knew legs not working has nothing to do with your arms. If he can have an Ebike custom made for him then he could have a hand peddle bike made. He just wanted to flaunt his disability and make people cringe so bad they didn't want to confront him about breaking the rules and endangering others.

[@bensmith3304]

@@K162KingPin You are trolling for lolz, at least I hope you are. You do realize that not all people who can't walk have complete control of their arms. Should people with cerebral palsy or MS just worm along the ground since they are CLEARLY more than able to do so? Or should all disabled people you find disfavorable just stay out of sight and mind, that is, of course, until you yourself become disabled?

[@snowkracker]

I wouldn’t even stop and debate these people. Just smile and wave.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

those 3 wheel bikes look like a blast, so nice to see bikes made for those who cant ride a normal bike.

[@MrSGL21]

there are e-trikes you can get too. they are a bit pricey but they exist.

[@islandfantasy5931]

You'll love the 4x4 e bikes. I just saw it last week and It's awesome

[@p1nk5p1d3r]

@@islandfantasy5931 isn't it essentially electric atv?

[@islandfantasy5931]

@@p1nk5p1d3r No it looks like the trike the handicap man was riding. Just has 4 wheels

[@mehapgood]

Except for some handicaps, riding an arm cycle (not electric) is a great alternative to “e”-equipment.

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

Honestly, I feel sad for the guy that has nothing better to do than to give the guy in an adaptive trike a hard time.

[@Packmeacone]

Bro poor guy hope he's going well

[@henrik1743]

Imagine going outside doing exercise and handicapped and regular fit karens tell you you can't do that, I just wanna give that guy a fucking hug jesus

[@pops55650]

I’m sure the Karen realized he lost the argument when the rider told him he can’t walk, but he was still trying to argue the point to not look bad to his woman. The woman who said “you should have led with that” well no, she should have minded her own business and kept her man in check

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

@@pops55650 "kept her man in check" are you for real? The dude needs to keep himself in check. As we all do. Although, I know from my experience that people with this kind of attitude are incapable of self-governance, as they can do no wrong, but thus, are even less capable of taking advice or direction.

[@johnnylong2049]

“You should of led with that” got my blood boiling a bit. No apologies, no “our bad”, no nothing. Just walk away and end the conversation because you’re too good to own up to your mistakes. SMH.

[@gorporpio]

I've always done everything I can to stay away from cars when riding a bike. No point in challenging a car with a bike regardless of what's legal.

[@LtEdPell]

Never bring a bike to a pickup truck fight.

[@christopherbedford9897]

Yah exactly. As my advanced driving course instructor said to me, doesn't matter if you have the right of way - if you have a collision it's going to _at the very least_ ruin your whole day.

[@koopatroopa187]

@@christopherbedford9897 I've always said the right of way is whatever prevents an accident.

[@jeremiahdssdentmorgan3341]

When it comes to riding ANY 2wheel vehicle it's best to think of yourself as *INVISIBLE* Because 9 times out of 10 accidents involving a "bike" the other driver always says "*I didn't see it*"

[@koopatroopa187]

@@jeremiahdssdentmorgan3341 That's a great way to think, but extend that thought to being a pedestrian and even when driving your car. Always be under the assumption that people suck at driving and don't see you.

[@bullcrap9409]

Most e-bikes are mopeds w pedals stuck on to try and avoid regulation. They’re a menace in bike lanes, where in many jurisdictions they aren’t allowed

[@danielmiller6723]

That's bull crap. Mopeds are mopeds. E bike is special

[@johannlopez4524]

"You should have led with that." How bad would it be to just admit that you're wrong sometimes or made an incorrect assumption?

[@arrigalimedia]

He did lead with it though. He said it's a handicapped piece of equipment.

[@double_joseph327]

@@arrigalimedia those people make me sick. Zero respect for others.

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

*The disabled guy literally led with his immobile feet.*

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

@@double_joseph327 *Later on the couple went to stop people in wheelchairs about using too much of the sidewalk.*

[@johnspartan3405]

Right! "I have 49 rounds of 9mm on my person and you're trying to prevent me from leaving. Should I lead with that?"

[@MadEvilLemon93]

Guys in a literal electric wheelchair rolls up: "I need this because I can't walk" Silly Karen: "Well you should have lead with that" What an absolute sausage

[@AislingPhoenix]

Best part is he literally lead with it, first words out of his mouth were "This is a handicap piece of equipment"

[@frankzappaspussy7362]

speed is the issue.. if someone crashed into you on a thin path.. it would suddenly be unimportant to you whether or not the person driving the vehicle was handicapped..

[@maaz322]

I would've thought a 2nd opinion could see pass the ego and rage and make a good judgement, but it seems repugnant, low quality humans flock together. One could swallow one jerk, but when you encounter more than one, all affirming each other's insane viewpoints, it's insufferable and makes my blood boil.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

She'll get Karma when she finally realises Mr Star is ......

[@rumnboats7612]

Problem is, it's looks nothing like an electric wheelchair, it's a three wheeled aggressive looking E bike, it hauls ass just like it looks like it does and takes up the entirety of the trail unable to pass safely so if can't slow down or stop strikes other bikers on a bike path.

[@brianm7287]

"You should have led with that." No, he doesn't have to explain himself to you.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

That was a douchecanoe thing to say to a handicapped biker

[@quinngratrix9329]

She said you should have led with that when he literally did😂 dude was like what gives you the right to ride on here? First thing that came out of his mouth was this is a handicap price of equipment. Then he replied “so?” Clearly showing there ignorance.

[@LaOwlett]

That woman expects people with disabilities to have to constantly explain themselves... Some people can't mind their own business, they just can't help themselves.

[@Eve-the-witch]

He did lead with that

[@DustinDIY]

Yet he did actually lead with that.

[@NoamPitlick-bg8kw]

If you don’t pedal a bicycle and you’re moving, it’s a motorized bicycle. Duh.

[@daviddauza]

"I am a disabled person. This is my Personal Mobility Device, allowed on this public trail by the American Disability Act." Have had to say this too many times.

[@matthewJ142]

And it's clearly harassment of a person with a disability which should be a serious crime

[@TheCharskeBros]

not fucking ok if i saw you i would say hell ya man get after it and fist bumped these people needa get a life

[@noroom4commies086]

Hate crime REEEEEEEEEE

[@DarrinSK]

Why are you polite? You should tell them to STFU and mind their own business

[@abigails4088]

@@noroom4commies086 < account made immediately in the aftermath of the 2020 election... and spews rhetoric directed at *PHYSICALLY DISABLED PEOPLE* RHETORIC THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO PEOPLE SHOVING DISABLED PEOPLE INTO GAS CHAMBERS

[@digger3578]

I have a rule: never harass someone in a wheelchair. I’ve had this rule since about age two or three.

[@elixier33]

Stupid ruks Don't harass anyone.. Treat Everyone the way you wanna be treated.

[@eashanahluwalia9599]

And if you do you get a wheelchair too!

[@OregonDARRYL]

Well, since 2016... a lot of "adult" children are encouraged to throw tantrums and ignore reality.

[@briananderson6142]

Some of those unregulated dual wheeled Wide Ebikes can go very fast on trails, they race them, coming up on people fast and confrontations arise. Notice they all have Helmet Cams to record their encounters, then post them or sell them.

[@johnrhodes3350]

​@@OregonDARRYLTDS is Real

[@miketrav]

As someone who loves mountain biking I’d probably be pissed if somebody came flying by me 50 miles an hour when I’m on the trails with my kids on one of those things I mean they essentially are a motorcycle

[@mikeg6633]

I agree. I'm building a 50 mph ebike. When I'm on bike trails I maintain a legal speed. When I get on the road, I keep up with traffic. I don't have to go full speed all the time.

[@laughingsnake1989]

Hey look kids a Karen

[@miketrav]

@@laughingsnake1989 Hey kids look Trailer trash

[@laughingsnake1989]

@@miketrav look if I am haveing fun I don’t give a Damm and yes I am trailer trash and proud of it can’t afford any better after I lost my leg and arm in Iraq

[@miketrav]

@@laughingsnake1989 Exactly. Every sentence you write just ozzes trailer trash. you’re going to have that badge with you the rest your life you’re not gonna make it very far.

[@admdubya2107]

Being able to ride your definitely motorized bike in areas where motorized vehicles are restricted while pretending you aren’t riding a motorized vehicle is low key their biggest benefit. It’s funny that the law makes the wrong person correct in these arguments. You’re definitely riding a motorized vehicle, the government is just dull.

[@AdamasOldblade]

Seems like a classic case of people screaming, "STOP HAVING FUN!"

[@sunilanand6910]

It's almost like it's a microcosm of the world. Everybody in the world seems to have it bad at the moment ( obviously some worse than others), and the moment certain people see others trying to alleviate that, they feel it's their right to tell you to "STOP HAVING FUN". The solution? Ride more, ignore the haters, obey the trail/ road rules and most importantly STAY SAFE.

[@IhaytFukkingsocialmedia]

Classic BorderlineMom. AbuserMom. Ugh. Hate people like this. They are more likely to cause an accident than anyone.

[@zeroboyrick1717]

I've been riding e-bikes for over 10 years. The last couple years I've seen a huge amount of hostility from analog cyclists. I'd like to see some restraint on the part of hi-performance electric moped owners like the Onyx and Sur-Rons riding on bike paths at ridiculous speeds. It's easy to label everyone a Karen but they have reason to hate us. Please don't give them justification to ban us.

[@747fa]

Spot on, Richard. And always use common sense.

[@LetArtsLive]

Yes I can see the other side of it sir ronster doing wheelies down the street things like a hundred people on e-bikes in a crowd like a gang going down the road that's b*******! They take over the whole Road they have no conscience. I'm not like these people. I'm afraid someday I won't be able to ride my e-bike legally anymore because of people like those and one of them is bound to die and then I can't ride my bike anymore and I don't have money for insurance and all that and I have one leg it's my only transportation and it saved my life my bike. Yes it's a cheap one eco-trick hammer but it works it's got 1300 miles. I need to change the tires and do some maintenance but I like it. The ecoatrick hammer is really big though. I just got a 20 amp hour battery and it barely barely just by millimeters fits under the seat lol. Yes I have range anxiety cuz I can't pedal. I figure that battery will go 30 miles I have two other batteries that go 20 miles so if I go to the lake 30 miles away I won't run out of energy. I bought a solar panel but it's so heavy how you going to carry it? But I'm going to try. It's a blue ETI and the box is another 15 lb so I'm going to use a mppt. If you're dead you can still keep going I have a wagon

[@tomsan7742]

over the last 7 to 8 years there has been an upsurge in hostility toward many different areas of society - the aviation and service industry among others. the hostilities against ebikes are just another symptom of a much larger problem.

[@dtz1000]

They will try to ban you anyway because a lot of what's driving it is jealousy on their part. Almost always white people btw.

[@noskills720]

@@tomsan7742 Yup. Everyone wants their flavor but they don't want you to have your flavor.

[@desertrat7634]

I love that lady who said, "you could have led with that." My response would have been, "You could have minded your own damn business."

[@bindingcurve]

You have assholes with 30mph class 3 bike flying down mixed use trails. There are one or two around here. Hell, I will ride my "analog" bike on the road next to the mixed use trails if it has a low speed.

[@Cesar-cm4if]

I would've said the same haha. Anyway, something to keep in mind while biking is to wear an nta helmet like xnito or bern, I see a lot of people ebiking with cpsc helmets

[@henrik1743]

Imagine going outside doing exercise and being handicapped and regular fit karens tell you you can't do that, I just wanna give that guy a fucking hug jesus

[@desertrat7634]

@@henrik1743 I climbed superstition mountain in Arizona on crutches. When we neared the top of the mountain, an elderly woman on her way down saw me and said seeing me up there on crutches made her feel like an ass for complaining about the hike. Even broken people like nature, so leave us alone for doing what we need to do to enjoy the day. This guy wasn't in any kind of bike, let alone an ebike, and any fool could see that.

[@desertrat7634]

@@bindingcurve I'll grant you that, and most jurisdictions don't allow that. But this guy clearly wasn't even on an ebike.

[@bruceforsman4812]

I love how she thought she really had a right to block someone, even a cop needs articulable reasonable suspicion to detain and question.

[@j0epark1]

Honestly, some of these bicyclists seem entitled as well. They’re riding recklessly on roads meant to have vehicles that require a license and registration so I can understand the frustration of the drivers. If you’re going to use roads with cars, be respectful of each other and don’t ride like an ass.

[@RandomVidz9_]

Bikes are allowed on the road

[@NWforager]

@@RandomVidz9_ yes , and we must follow local laws .

[@electricbikeretrovintage]

That's the problem ignorant have. Roads don't belong to one type of vehicle and individual. You have to share it 2ith other user without hierarchy. It's not yours. I repeat you have to share it with others. This is the slogan on many countries, province, state because it's a big problem. Bike can use roads as you in your vehicle.

[@ryanwebb6356]

Cyclists have recently been given More legal protection in the UK, basically making motorists responsible for ensuring the cyclist is protected and giving bicycles and ebikes a "vulnerable road user" status. Endangering a cyclist is now a legal offense with fines and licence points applicable. With up to 6 points for an offence, with a driving ban at 9...

[@barrybogart5436]

@@ryanwebb6356 That's excellent. And I am sure, overdue.

[@ForbinColossus]

I wish speaking facts and law was enough! If you run into a Karen who refuses to listen, think MARK TWAIN: *"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'*

[@jeffmpvd7689]

I ride my e-bike for enjoyment, not to argue with people. If I start to have regular arguments with people I'll just find somewhere else to ride

[@Dmanrider]

I ride my e bike to work almost everyday day if i have to argue with someone bet your ass im going to because its the only way there and back

[@coloradopeoplesnews7676]

If people want to argue with me, they will remember not to do that again. I don't allow bullies to get their way.

[@Dmanrider]

@@coloradopeoplesnews7676 think about it the future is coming im seeing more and more e bikes eventually theres gunna be no one left to argue with well a lot less because karens will always exist just not as much on regular bicycles people are just mad because people on bicycles can keep up

[@747fa]

Spot on, Jeff!👍

[@gatoryak7332]

@@Dmanrider I see a future where public land managers simply close trails to all vehicles due to being destroyed by a whole new generation of ashsoles riding powerful ebikes and ripping up the terrain. To be fair, the recent trend in mountain biking has been emulating motocross and the terrain is getting destroyed already. I'd trade my modern mountain bike and trampled braided, widened trails for an old, rigid, 1980s style bike on sweet singletrack that was everywhere back then.

[@craigcampbell1843]

The issue I have with Onyx and Monday is they accelerate very quickly and will go about 50-60 mph but they don’t come with standard safety features like blinkers or good brake lights like the mopeds of the 70s did. They are also made in California where it is DEFINITELY required to have insurance and a motorcycle license to ride them on the street but they advertise them as no license required and sell them to people that have never even ridden a 25 mph moped let alone something that goes twice that fast. They make people think if you can ride a bicycle you can ride their bike but they’re not the same thing. They’re more like an electric motorcycle that just happens to have pedals on it. Half the time the people in their advertisements aren’t even wearing helmets. Great product but very irresponsible advertising in my opinion. I think bikes like that are going to wind up getting some people in trouble or seriously injured. Always look up your state laws before purchasing and don’t buy a bike you aren’t ready for.

[@kevinromig9477]

they do not go 50-60 . the vast majority can barely make 30 . only some very exspensive hp e bikes can barely go over 40

[@craigcampbell1843]

@@kevinromig9477 I think you need to read the very first sentence of my comment again.

[@craigcampbell1843]

@@kevinromig9477 Onyx top speed is 60.

[@RealDocJames]

​@kevinromig9477 you're not paying close attention are you?

[@RealDocJames]

They are 100% low powered motorcycles, don't get it twisted. Those crappy compliance pedals are just there for show. NOBODY pedals those things. Plenty of true ebikes out there. The ones you referenced are not.

[@skully0078]

As a driver of 4 wheels and a rider of 2 wheels, I know that when you're driving 4 & riding 2 and some idiot on 2 that doesn't follow the rules jumps out in front of you or cuts you off, your heart more than skips a beat when you could have just easily have killed someone even if they are at fault.

[@Energine1]

Has less to do with the wheel count and more to do with humans human-ing around jeje.

[@a64738]

When I ride a e-bike or bike I follow motorcyle rules and stick to that... Nilly willy switching with pedestrian rules while going at high speed is sure way to get killed or end up in a wheelchair and it do not help you that you did was legal if it gets you killed...

[@everettdegrasse8478]

I get the feeling that there is trouble on both sides of this issue. People who don't like anything with a motor and people with bikes who, like kids, pay little attention to road rules.

[@Greg_Chase]

The person with inability to walk, in his 3 wheeler, being hassled along the trail is a new low. These days, it's pressure-pressure-pressure from people just lashing out with no manners, just blatant hostility if they decide they don't like something. The first question I would have asked that guy if I could not walk and was using a 3-wheeler is "what is your first name?" That immediately makes the lashing-out person think "wait a minute - I don't want to give this person my first name because I might be in the wrong and they might report me to staff" If the person refuses to give you their first name, YOU GOT 'EM. They are exhibiting guilt. Get a full description of them into memory then turn them in. Get the karens out of situations - like a trail riding area - where they do not have the adult manners to peacefully coexist. It's uncomfortable to turn the tables on a karen but you have to start somewhere. Maybe these folks can learn to be TOLERANT if they discover there is a price to pay for being intolerant. PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE. Everyone has just as much right to recreation as any other person.

[@peterlongprong7521]

walkers hassle joggers, joggers hassle cyclists cyclists hassle assisted cyclists cyclists hassle motorcyclists/ATVs ATV hassle car drivers car drivers hassle truck drivers truck drivers hassle ... well a semi-truck can squish anyone... so I wouldn't mess with them. but you get the gist of how humanity goes - "evolution by the entitlement rule"

[@ClockworkWyrm]

@Paradox_Epsilon It's not just young kids. I work around a large University and there are a lot of young adult living in the surrounding area, they're probably the WORST when it comes to violating road rules whether they're walking, jogging, biking, riding electric rides, or driving.

[@everettdegrasse8478]

@@ClockworkWyrm I live 2 miles from a. University also. With thousands of young people being turned loose, many for the first time in their lives, there are lots of youngins not paying much attention to rules of any kind.

[@phillyunrau4736]

...right ✅ to Travel No License No insurance etc FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT must be allowed and Canada and USA are Corporations of Rome btw and government means MIND CONTROL so Stop VOTING and

[@davidliddle9033]

That woman restraining that rider is guilty of kidnapping/unlawful restraint.

[@alexnorth2452]

It's bikes like this onyx and the saron that genuinely try to blur the line between ebike and motorcycle, and the more you try to blur the line, the more the lines will be defined

[@AgentAlmost]

And it won't be in our favor as riders of electric bicycles I'm expecting things to start getting stricter and more similar to how they are in Europe Why do we need a higher top speed a throttle and more power if Europeans can get by without them? Because we don't have the bicycle infrastructure that Europe does and have to stay safe against clueless drivers, as protected lanes are incredibly rare. Europeans I've met tend to comment that they thought their bike access sucked and then realized there's a whole new level of awful they didn't even imagine once they traveled here I mean, if the federal government wants to include actual bike infrastructure (as opposed to paint) in their future infrastructure plans then great. By all means make biking safer. But if the issues with Sur-ron and RCR style bikes reaches a head any legislative reaction will likely hurt the future of eco-friendly electric transport and make ebike riders less safe on the street.

[@alexnorth2452]

@@AgentAlmost for myself, I live in the backwoods part of Arkansas, we have no bike infrastructure and I'm ok with that, the 8 miles I travel to work is nearly a straight line and is great for biking, due to health issues however, I opted to upgrade my bike to an ebike, I put a 1000w bbshd motor on it, technically a little above legal power wise, but the only times I've ever used that power is when I'm being chased by dogs, otherwise I keep it in PA 2 and cruise between 17 to 19mph, which is plenty fast enough, thankfully so far the cars I encounter give me plenty of space, and I hug the white, or if needed just get off the road for large trucks, works pretty well here, but when I see people in videos using ebikes that are on par with motorcycles and claiming they are ebikes, I can't help but feel it will sooner or later hurt the bike community via legislation

[@alexnorth2452]

@KR I believe you are exactly right, trucks and cars should have full rights to the entire lane, personally I despise motorcyclists, atleast the ones in my area, most of them disregard the traffic laws and do whatever they want, and I get tired of having to worry about whether the idiot tailgating less than 5 feet behind me is inevitably gonna rear-end me when I have to brake for a deer or other animal (happens alot) to say the least, of the 4 times I've found motorcycles in the ditches, I have never felt any sympathy for the riders

[@mrspeigle1]

I have to agree on this, I love the ebikes and electric motorcycles, but that line needs to be sharply defined and hard lines drawn. A 50 cc moped that tops at 35mph is no different than a ebike governed same speed and both should be subject to the same rules.

[@bcamping1]

Drivers dont accept slow wehicles liked bicycles and ebikes. Bikes have to go faster or cars have to go slower. 20mph speed limit for everyone in city limits. !)

[@shellihurd2090]

I’m recovering from surgery due to being pushed off the trail by a man. I’m a 5’2” tall female with an ebike. I was riding in Golden, CO on a multi use trail. A guy pushed me off the trail and into the rocks because he didn’t like me riding an ebike. I ended up basically destroying my right ankle (3 torn ligaments and 3 torn tendons including the Achilles and 2 fractures). The guy took off on his regular bike laughing at me as I lay there screaming in pain and bloody. I had surgery in June and still recovering. People suck!!!

[@5DNRG]

OMG!! I ride Golden on my ebike too...this is scary. The guy who did that is a criminal and needs to be found and brought to court.

[@damnbrosky]

your story makes me sure that you have fight people that want hurt you, not goes around, I will never let them do anything like that on my watch, if something like that will happen to me or people near I promise that bully will finish in hospital no matter what, just coz your story will stay with me. Fill so sorry for you and hope you will get beter soon and back on bike with full power and positive energy.

[@jeffmpvd7689]

Shelli - I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this, sorry it happened to you! There are a lot of angry people out there, our society is unhealthy. Riding a bike should be a joyful experience.

[@ericwainwright7876]

That's so horrible and I am so sorry that you have had to suffer from this attack from an idiot. I understand what it is like to be physically attacked but that asshole should be charged for assault.

[@trevorroeder117]

Invest in a GoPro for future altercations.

[@emoAnarchist]

physically preventing someone from getting to a doctors appointment is a life threatening action. knocking her out would be self defense

[@TrueMohax]

It depends. The court would try to balance if it was an immediate danger vs an inconvenience. The woman was definitely in the wrong and there is potential grounds for a lawsuit.

[@marcuscreed3903]

Look, unless the dude is shot or bleeding from a stab wound. That excuse isn't going to work. Though he definitely should have just pushed through her even if he had to drag her a bit.

[@emoAnarchist]

@@marcuscreed3903 you don't know the person's medical history. if i was prevented from getting to a dialysis appointment it would have very severe, possibly lethal consequences

[@marcuscreed3903]

@@emoAnarchist Dude, the chances of 5 or 10 minutes late being the deciding factor between life or death are not likely at all in this scenario. The lady is a stupid ass but you're saying something ridiculous for hyperboles sake. If you're not bleeding or in an ambulance. There's a good chance 5 or 10 minutes of a blithering woman is not going to mean your death.

[@EtherFox]

@@emoAnarchist more likely they're going to a dilation

[@myztklk3v]

5:37 you're right, that guy is riding across the crosswalk against the red "do not cross" light. They had every right to honk and give him shit.

[@pwdrhrn]

It depends. Where I live the flashing hand means don’t START crossing, it’s still a green light.

[@emuhill]

@@pwdrhrn I believe it is the equivalent of a yellow light. Basically it means to not enter if you haven't yet and to keep going if you are already in the cross walk.

[@rarelibra]

0:27 - "an e-bike is not considered a motorized vehicle" ... that depends on the state.

[@t3073-b4i]

Class 1 & 2 ebikes are allowed almost everywhere regular bikes are. Maybe there's an exception or two out there, but I travel around the country and haven't run into that, and I always look up the laws before I ride. What state bans them outright?

[@rarelibra]

@@t3073-b4i who said the word "ban"?

[@backyard3749]

Good stuff. I've been on an ebike for a couple of years and a lifetime motorcycle rider. I have had this kind of interaction with ignorant and hostile people my entire life. And just like the encounters in this video, the best thing you can do is always to NEVER engage these people. Do not try to talk to them, do not stop, nothing. And yes, that guy riding across a crosswalk and against a red hand was an idiot. And yes, I've had bicycle insurance the entire time I have owned my ebike due to how common theft is these days. And if you have an ebike, get a big ass lock too since weight isn't an issue as it is with a regular bicycle. And yes, those guys with the little overpowered speedy bikes zipping around in traffic are going to get ALL ebikes banned on trails, roads, parks (some already are doing that), and walkways. Those guys are assholes too.

[@ericwainwright7876]

Agreed on the try to not engage, absolutely on the Yahoos on Ebikes giving the rest of us a bad name but ditto for the roadie dinobike riders who like to Claim the Lane and ride 3 or even 4 abreast because they have rights too. When a semi trucker turns you into paste, your estate has rights but you are dead and gone. As an Ebike shop owner I often get calls from Ebike thieves looking for batteries or chargers and I ask them to set up a time with me so I can have the Police there to check the serial numbers on their Ebike, the line often goes dead immediately.

[@747fa]

Yep, and always use common sense. It's amazing how easily one can avoid time wasting, stressful confrontations.

[@tonishaddy]

I added a burger alarm to my ebike, along with a big u lock. The alarm really protects my lights, bags, etc. I was tired of them being stolen. It's fun watching startled thieves run.

[@billh.1940]

Bikes really shouldn't be on sidewalks and walkways!

[@ericwainwright7876]

@@billh.1940 Absolutely right, bicycle and electric assisted bicycles should be on multi-use trails, bike lanes and bike paths BUT when those kinds of infrastructures are not put in place to allow a cyclist to move safely, then a common sense choice must be made between risking life and limb or taking the safest possible option provided. We rent out Ebikes from our shop so people can discover what it's like to ride an electric assisted bicycle, Class 1, max speed of 24 kph, no throttle and even with these very basic Ebikes we had to restrict the riding zone to the National Monument where we operate because of close calls with motorized vehicles on public roads with bike lanes. It probably cost us $3k in rental fees and $20k in sales because our local politicians who ran on a 'green platform' didn't think that meant Ebikes and Acoustic Bikes, just TESLA cars. :( Thanks so much for supporting mom and pop businesses that are trying to do the right thing and provide a greener and more economical means of getting around. Sometimes you have to do the safest thing possible and the Karens of the World need to chill out and show some of the respect they demand from others. You have to give it to get it!

[@ericpmoss]

I’m all for e-bikes, but I do get the concern over high powered e-bikes on regular bike paths. It’s true that 15mph is 15mph no matter the vehicle, but it’s pretty easy to blast up to a speed too fast for people to react in time on a narrow path. That said, being nice about it goes a long way.

[@mrichardmoore]

Refreshing to see there are e bike riders who are not always the Karen.

[@romant1127]

As a cyclist I absolutely fear anything with "e-" in the name. People who ride these vehicles often have little to no understanding of traffic laws, they also think that going over 40 kph on a pedestrian sidewalk is a perfectly normal way to drive and that making sounds to warn people around them is somehow uncool. I don't care if the unfortunate e-thrill-seeker turns himself into thin paste, but it certainly concerns me when someone can fly into me at 40 kph or more on a supposedly safe pedestrian sidewalk. I really wish that lazy law turned it's eyes on them for I love being alive, you know. Giving e-bikes that can go over 60+ kph the same treatment that regular bicycles and pedestrians have *will* lead to tragedies and it's just plain stupid.

[@michigandogman3060]

I’m a purest and am not at all thrilled with the e bike craze, I do not agree with them on dirt bicycle trails. It appears that a a lot of the e bikers are not very responsible 🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m going to keep pushing pedals.

[@YG-zv3me]

5:27 he did not have " the right of way" if he was clearly traveling on the right lane of the road (not on the curb) and than proceeded to cut off Three complete lanes on a green light only to merge into a pedestrian cross...that pickup was correct to honk the horn at him!

[@DanaWeick]

Certainly that wasn't the best way to cross the road. That is a very difficult intersection for a bicyclist, the rightmost lane is right turn only, the next lane to the left is both straight and right turn. Being in the second lane from the right is hazardous as motorists can turn right into you if you are going straight on a bike. Good intersection for a bicyclist to simply dismount and walk across.

[@LordHolley]

One thing for sure, if that bicyclist continues to ride like that in traffic, they won't be making videos a whole lot longer. They will become a statistic.

[@CB-rv2lj]

yeah idk wtf that dude was doing. watched that 3 times over and he was in the wrong. like why are you going on a red when thats when people have a green arrow to the right?

[@govinda102000]

Yep. Loser on e-bike did the switch road to walkway and knows the rules but wants click-bait.

[@JeffAdamus]

There were 2 lanes of turning traffic, a vehicle ( the bike) wanting to go straight needed to be between the turning lanes and the straight lane. Ebike was in the wrong here, bad road position.

[@rickbateman2401]

It all depends on where you live. Where I live bicycle paths are restricted to pedal bikes. If you’re riding an ebike, you must have the motor turned off and be pedalling the bike. The sad part is that our province considers any motorized vehicle that can reach 38km/h a vehicle that needs to be licensed and insured EXCEPT ebikes. Some moped style ebikes can reach speeds of 70km/h and are designed in a way that makes them almost impossible to pedal for even a short distance - yet they’re still considered bicycles.

[@FamousByFriday]

Yeah. Some trails specify if they allow pedal assist and if they don’t full on electric bikes. All the mountain bike trails around here are maintained by a volunteer group, so I feel like the people that maintain the trail define the vehicle… not the state.

[@metamorphicorder]

Yes, those candian laws are something arent they. And those daymak 'ebikes' with their ebike tags are just adorable.

[@CallsignRiot]

Dude at the very end was so patient with that Karen. About halfway through the recorded interaction is when my pepper spray is coming out and you're getting sprayed for assaulting me and unlawfully detaining me. Defend yourselves.

[@MellyOmatic]

Grab me or something like that. I do carry.

[@ldhenderson95]

I was thinking about bashing her in the face with the helmet but pepper spray does sound more reasonable

[@carlholland3819]

if she was blocking him, he should have gone around her. you cant control other people, you can only control yourself, and he showed very little self control albeit slightly more than karen

[@HAL-dm1eh]

@@carlholland3819 < - found another one 🤣🤣🤣

[@hampus9347]

@@carlholland3819 are you stupid? do you have eyes??? cant you see thats exactly what he is trying to do and she is still blocking the path and/or holding him there. if it were me im sorry but her jaw gets crushed i do not care if she is a woman that behavior deserves to only eat soup for a couple of weeks.

[@OslerWannabe]

There is another way of dealing with Karens and -- what? Kyles? -- which I've used for 40 years to great effect. It requres iron self-control, but always leaves the Karen bewildered and baffled. When confronted with one of these enraged busybodies, simply face her/him squarely, and stare into her/his eyes as though you do not understand whichever language she/he is speaking. Over time I found that I could punctuate my passivity with a very subtle inclination of the head with slight elevation of one eyebrow, but nothing more. Do not flinch or smirk, just stare, and stare for as long as it takes for her/him to wither up and go away. It carries the advantage that you give her/him no pretext to physically attack. This technique is especially good if you have a young child with you. I did this about 25 years ago when a slightly drunk and sour-looking Karen was yelling at my 7 year old son for running around a motel parking lot letting off steam after a long car ride. I talked with him afterward about the value of always maintaining self-control and decorum, and now, at the age of 33, he is a supremely calm and confident man.

[@RXP91]

I do something similar but say "NO ENGLISSH" in a fake accent. Cause I'm brown it enrages them even more and they typically leave

[@tinaperez9756]

running around a motel parking lot? Sounds dangerous. He was commenting such.

[@richardh1764]

In the UK an Ebike that can run by throttle it classed as a motorised vehicle, it has to be pedal assist only to be a cycle.

[@jonathandavis-po6js]

Here, it depends on how powerful it is, over 20 ccs falls under motorcycle laws

[@wrusst]

​@@jonathandavis-po6js no shot he's going that fast on a 250w in the UK which is the limit here .

[@krozareq]

Texas has 3 classes of them. C1: 20mph (32km/h) max, assistive pedaling. C2: 20mph max, no assistive pedaling required. C3: 28mph max, assistive pedaling. C1 and C2 have no age requirements. C3 must be 15-years or older. Helmets required if

[@JohnSmith-tz4on]

Well congratulations Karen in the UK you're right here you're an asshole

[@TheBirdboy84]

thats why nobody cares about the UK

[@CarbideCarbon]

Since I started open carrying, not a single person has said anything negative or untoward to me. No unsafe passes; nobody getting out of vehicles and shouting. Everyone just goes about their business.

[@lildiamond6235]

What is open carrying.

[@jakelish]

@@lildiamond6235 Carrying a gun that is openly visible

[@RezaQin]

You'll be targeted first.

[@CarbideCarbon]

@@RezaQin You're correct. Which is why I only do this in my low-crime town. If I ride in the city, I'm going CC.

[@dreambrother1240]

How many times bigger is your gun, compared to your 'weapon'?

[@jacobamador7989]

People forget the hate for ebikes is well deserved. Many are basically motorcycles with pedals welded on. A buddy of mine had his arm broken by an ebike rider going over 30 on a walking path. Just because a few people ride them respectfully, doesnt mean the majority do.

[@amosbatto3051]

Yes, like all vehicles, there are some people who break the rules, but you are assuming that the majority of ebike riders don't ride safely, and that is not my experience. Just like with automobile drivers, ebike riders who break the rules need to be given tickets, but if you check the statistics, the number of injuries to others by ebike riders is small.

[@strongwiseandfree]

Now do cars.

[@Altema22]

That last one was painful to watch, though I would have pulled out my phone and called the police. I don't have many encounters with karens, though there was one guy who said something as I passed his house, and I stopped to have a conversation. Turns out his problem was other kinds of bike riding past his house at 30mph on the sidewalk, and even though I was doing my usual 12mph-ish for sidewalks, he thought I was one of them. Sidewalks are 100% legal for bicycles and class 1 or 2 e-bikes in our state, and with a very un-friendly infrastructure for bikes here, you often don't have a choice. My quick answer to anyone who calls out "Non-motorized vehicles!" is to just tap the handlebars and say "Exempt", and keep on riding. If someone is ignorant, you really don't want to engage them anyways. But, there is a balance. If you are going full send on mixed use trails and ignoring common sense, then people will come against you, and they will be right. I was recently on a group ride where a police vehicle passed us driving on the wrong side of the road, pulled in front of the group, and hit his brakes. Very stupid and dangerous of the officer. He ordered us to ride to an area up the road, and spent 15 minutes on the phone with his supervisor trying to find something to charge us with. He couldn't, so he checked every bike and found the one Sur Ron without pedals, and gave him a written warning because "I have to find something to justify my stopping you". Yes, that's what the officer said. Never mind we were on a public road which was open to motorized and non-motorized vehicles, and riding in an orderly fashion below the speed limit. It pains me that this word continues to grow more divided and hostile and selfish as the days go by.

[@dudeonbike800]

Yes, depends where you are. In CA, bicycles on sidewalks are generally prohibited by anyone over 12 years old. But it's up to the municipality if they want to amend this. Some cities will REQUIRE bicycle riding on some busy streets. But in general, children are allowed to ride bikes on sidewalks, for obvious reasons.

[@LawDawg717]

If you call the police instead bitch slappin' that woman, you're the Karen.

[@dbcooper69]

Last one was painful. If you can't get away from an old Karen, time to park it and walk.

[@joepeanut6827]

HUMMMMM There bikes were towed?? I'm wondering why the bikes were not put in the back of a pickup truck, seems kind of silly to call a wrecker for bicycle's

[@paullake1114]

Pepper Spray was made for for situations like the last video

[@k-dog495]

"You should've led with that" wow. The guy is OBVIOUSLY on an adaptive bike. For the record, as a mountain biker, MOST of us are extremely welcoming and friendly people, and would be generally more interested in his awesome machine than saying he shouldn't be on the trails. If he was on a motocross bike well then that's a different story, but geez people need to keep their opinions to themselves, especially when the person being attacked is minding their own business and not hurting anyone.

[@HOWNDOG66]

One of the biggest issues with cyclists, E or not is many seem to pick and choose what rules they want to follow. Changing back and forth from bike lane to road lane and not using signals. Riding on sidewalks and roads back n forth. Not following signals, signage, or road markings makes it difficult to be respected

[@spinningpeanut]

Doesn't help that states change bike laws all the damn time. In Colorado we can treat stop signs as yields and red signals like a stop sign. Frankly I still cross with the pedestrian signal because I do not trust the fucking Texans moving here. We can ride on any sidewalk yielding the right of way to pedestrians and we can travel on most any road. We have bike trails going alongside a major state road for like 37 miles. There are bits in our laws that give you options but for the road yeah you really should know your local laws. Driver's should fucking know too like God damn.

[@Jroym1974]

And I bet you obey every single vehicle law???

[@David_loves_foods]

​@@Jroym1974woooow

[@CastelliCervelo]

Guys got a point and your comment was not very constructive. @@Jroym1974

[@callosamiusprometheus7350]

One of the biggest issues with motorists, electric vehicle drivers or otherwise, is many seem to pick and choose which rules they follow. Obstructing bike lanes, running red lights, not using signals, parking in inappropriate places, sitting in the middle of intersections and crosswalks, not following signals, signage, or road markings makes it difficult to be respected. 😊

[@PhilWare1]

I know each country has different laws, but I find it quite remarkable that some of these bikes are basically electric motorbikes. In the UK an E-Bike has to be pedal-assist and have a maximum power output of 250 watts. Anything more powerful/non pedal assist would require the correct driving license endorsement etc

[@durschfalltv7505]

It makes no sense. Loicenses are shit anyway. There should be a dedicated ebike license. Drive your ebike like a motorbike on the road. And like a bicycle on cycling paths. Meaning you drive at a normal speed that makes sense. No strict speed limit but if there is a crossing or you see pedestrainas you slow down to walking speed. A allysway where people can jump around the corner you slow down to like 15kmh. Is it so hard to have common sense?

[@tunnelsnake627]

Good thing 1776 happened

[@chistinelane]

then the UK sucks and we shouldn't follow them.

[@j.k8833]

​@tunnelsnake627 Amen brother🦅🇺🇸

[@nikkiab86]

Good thing I'm in Australia. Queensland to be exact.

[@joebloe9901]

The biggest mistake is trying to talk to a Karen....just ignore them and keep going.

[@Roddy556]

Or act really, really worried about their concerns and over apologize explaining how logical they are. It works bettee than arguing.

[@shadow_realm47]

FR just say "your mom should have swallowed" and wiz away :P

[@JohnSmith-tz4on]

But then we miss out on these lovely videos of people acting like assholes

[@gratitude8182]

Thank you 😊. I am new to riding a ebike and these people scare me. I don't want to engage this while I learn. My heart goes out to the Man who couldn't walk BUT still is getting outdoors and enjoying his time, that couple needs a spanky. Have a Blessed day and thank you for all your work and information. I appreciate your time. ⭐️🧡

[@ericwainwright7876]

Just go about your business, enjoy your ride and remember that this is not about you, it's all about them.

[@gratitude8182]

@@ericwainwright7876 Thank you. I will continue to concentrate on my learning experience and continue to watch this channel and Russ is right. Again I appreciate all your teaching and insight as well as experience. Learning more everyday and exciting. 🌝👍🧡

[@ericwainwright7876]

@@gratitude8182 It's all about enjoying the ride and ignoring the haters, which thankfully there are fewer of each year as more people start to recognize and understand Ebikes. My wife and I have been riding Ebikes since 2010 when we went on an adventure to Latin America in our RV and people told us not to tow our truck because of the topes, so we bought some Ebikes, very primitive by todays standards and took those to get around the pueblo magico towns that were designed for donkey carts and not our big RV. My wife decided she needed to find something for me to do so she decided that renting Ebikes was the ticket, that led to Ebike sales and that led to me becoming an Ebike mechanic instead of an early retired master builder. Life is Crazy, Enjoy the Ride. lol

[@lyfandeth]

No, that couple needs more than a spank. They need their Achilles tendons cut, so they can learn to empathize with disabilities.

[@willishadams]

I mountain bike and do regular trail upkeep. The argument that a 190lb 50-72v surron, is the same as a mountain bike, makes me irrationally angry at this point. They ruin trails, they're too fast for bike lanes, and they're definitely not pedestrians, but they insert themselves into whatever category is convenient at the moment.

[@Leo99929]

In the UK there's a 250W limit, pedal assist only, and 15.5mph assist speed limit, without licence and registration. I'm not entirely convinced he was completely legal. Looks like he was using a throttle?

[@Cheepchipsable]

Especially if it has an electric motor it's not motorised? Many places have definitions in the laws.

[@Leo99929]

@@Cheepchipsable If having an electric motor is legally not classed as "motorised" then I fear I may have lost what little respect I had left for legislators...

[@neroshadow9524]

The UK laws are gay.

[@davidfaustino4476]

It's 100% not legal. Even in the US.

[@TheDigger06]

​​@@neroshadow9524not really, they are often seen speeding on pavements,running red lights and speeding in towns,,if they stuck to laws then maybe..its not just england,,,chinas banned em completly in some citys its that bad

[@PaulJosephdeWerk]

with the one where the truck driver yelling "come here" the bicyclist was in the wrong. Red crosswalk hand for one, two, looks like there are 2 right turn lanes, thus he was going straight from the wrong lane.

[@DanaWeick]

He was in the cross-walk and as such was not in a lane at all, no violation. A bicyclist is not a pedestrian and is not obliged to comply with pedestrian controls signs, no violation of ARS 28-646 as it only applies to pedestrians.

[@PaulJosephdeWerk]

@@DanaWeick He started out riding in the roadway in the rightmost of 2 turn lanes, and did a slight right before entering the crosswalk to go straight. It may not be illegal, even if there is no law saying it is illegal (a loophole in the law). It is an unsafe maneuver, similar to the truck in the right turn lane deciding to go straight while the next lane over is also a turn lane. The unsafe maneuver is illegal. Since the bicycle started out riding in the road he is supposed to obeying all traffic laws. I may have put it in the gray area had he started out on the sidewalk, but he didn't.

[@sshultz8121]

Drivers of cars and trucks can be just as aggressive to other vehicle drivers. Road rage overall seems to have increased lately. Or else it just hits the airwaves more frequently.

[@NWforager]

yep , more people on their phones , not actualy knowing the road rules . MOre reason to cycle Safer that Ever yall ⚠

[@dawudyelton2177]

karen in a car...yeah, all goes back to that "i won't be disrespected!" even if u don't know who i am. that real demon, e-g-o... may we all not fall in his trap

[@reeksreeks3017]

Damn a gangster would’ve punched the last Karen’s lights out and stole her dog.

[@Paul-dv4dr]

Here in UK, people are angry. I'm not sure exactly what they're all angry about, but it's palpable. Everyone seems on the verge of violence. All the time. What is going on?

[@barrybb5409]

Our governments have created a condition of poverty and discomfort and forced everyone to take a series of shots that contained bad vaccines and experimental delivery methods. We watch as the government shoves their boot up our ass and call it democracy while they clean our savings out and let criminals run free.

[@FRETW1ZARD]

In that second clip in all honesty, both rider and driver were behaving fully legally, and yet unsafely.

[@hiwayman1153]

Those E-bike can go as fast as a car. They shouldn't be allowed on bike paths

[@HenriZwols]

6:55 That's not an ebike. That's an electric moped using a legislation loophole.

[@user-pj5ju9sm5r]

It has a peddle so ebike. Bootlicker

[@David_Journey]

Well, the crowd here is not looking for truth. They are even branding a Surron as an e-bike. But they do not come with pedals, so it is really an electric dirt bike at best… and then they are surprised about other people turning into Karens and trying to portray them as victim…

[@philiprohs]

“You should have led with that “ should be a meme for Karens

[@ElectricityTaster]

e-bikes are a menace because people use them as motorbikes and they are more dangerous because you don't hear them coming.

[@thefish5861]

I ride an ebike, and I think we have a responsibility to be careful around other people, especially on bike paths. My bike with me on it, is basically 300 pounds of mass rolling down the path. Slow way down when approaching or passing others. I can see why other people are a little annoyed with these things.

[@randyewing4566]

I'm 280 so me on a regular mountain bike is basically 300 pounds of mass rolling down the path 🤣 We all have a responsibility to make sure our actions aren't endangering others but some people want to feel endangered so they can complain.

[@BrianGon89]

This should be the attitude everyone has here. Unfortunately this seems like an ebike echo chamber channel. Honestly these things are motorized bikes masquerading as pedal bikes, the laws are really relaxed when these happen to be throttled by pedals and not a lever. Until regulations catch up it's in all riders interests to keep passing speeds respectful and remain visible. Have to remember we are pattern-trained to expect a bike shaped object to only move a certain speed, your ebike passing ass is gonna be a highly invisible object to most people who clock you from a distance.

[@dugldoo]

I like your attitude! And I like e-bikes, especially for older people and folks with limitations. But on the bike/walk paths I run across far more e-bike jerks than Karens. My town's great shared paths are full of newbie e-bikers without good bike handling skills on 750+ watt heavy e-fat bikes riding 25+ mph without consideration for others. They're dangerous for all and give e-bikes a bad name.

[@seandepagnier]

@@randyewing4566 but you cant pedal 28mph for long. That is a big difference: 7 times the power.

[@jamesconner3437]

​@@dugldoo here in Chicago there are more racer bikes speeding by with " On your left!" about a half second before they are by you. E bike seniors (I'm 77) are much more polite. Try biking on Lake Shore....haha.

[@yaaaa-ti2ct]

Just because the laws haven't caught up to ebikes doesn't mean these guys driving in and out of traffic at 30+ mph aren't being assholes.

[@thechampagneroom1]

How long have cars been around and people still cant park them right

[@GoblinKing117]

@@thechampagneroom1 Bikes have been around even longer than cars and people still ride like inconsiderate assholes.

[@fun_gussy]

@@thechampagneroom1 Two wrongs make a who the hell cares! Attitude of a civilization in decline.

[@HarveyMushman888]

I live in an area with a lot of 4 way stop intersections and the vast majority of E-bikes blow right through these just like the vast majority of bicycles do.....

[@grapefruitsimmons]

Because Ebike riders suuuck lol those people like to flipflop between it being a real vehicle and not being real when it benefits them

[@DecimatorPrime]

And when they catch death from a T-bone crash they will serve to be a lesson in how not to operate at a 4 way intersection.

[@a64738]

When I ride my e-bike or bicycle I ride it like I ride my motorcycle and follow motorcycle rules. Doing it any different will get you killed as bending the rules and think you can just ignore the rules and randomly switch between pedastrian and motocyle rules is not safe at all ... Aslo even if it might be legal to do things in traffic on a bicyle e-bike that you can not do with a motorcycle does not mean it is safe, it does not matter that what you did was legal when you are DEAD or in a wheelchair....

[@misterbulger]

Good reason to stop and look if you drive a car

[@D.A.OhK.]

Yep. The freedom of a bike lends to some risky, out-of-control behavior. Then you put bad riders on ebikes going twice as fast as they should, leading to some bad accidents on the road AND on bike paths, which often double as pedestrian pathways.

[@JohnTesch]

I bought an Ebike in April. Been riding it every day. The visceral anger people express towards me at least once a week is hilarious.

[@illkid86]

Who cares about them do u

[@snowman8052]

If this is a recurrent issue, maybe you should question your own behavior. Sometimes people are right. Most of people (including Karen) don’t care of e-bike … except if they perceive the rider’s conduct as a threat. Like going too fast, too close… even if you’re a true pilot, people don’t know you and don’t know your intentions. I’m not saying you’re always wrong, but we all make mistakes. So, assuming they are all hating e-bike without even trying to understand them is probably not helpful.

[@davidfaustino4476]

Maybe don't ride it fast on bike paths..

[@Hambonebodi]

Ride any bike you will see the same.

[@quincywilliams9860]

Sounds like you're the problem 🤷

[@ThatSB]

First guy is right. They need to change the laws to keep the electric powered bikes under the same laws as motorcycles. It is what they are

[@jeffmpvd7689]

Protected bike lanes would resolve most of the problems between bikes and cars.

[@coloradopeoplesnews7676]

What about a Karen with a clip board?

[@jeffmpvd7689]

@@coloradopeoplesnews7676 She was not in a car. She is another matter.

[@barrybogart5436]

And peds (skaters, runners, etc....)

[@gatoryak7332]

Where would electric motor bikes drive?

[@barrybogart5436]

@@gatoryak7332 I was once involved in starting a cycling advocacy group and argued for an acronym of LIMBO. Because that is where cyclists find themselves. Between Heaven and Hell. 'Where' is undecided. They are allowed on roads until they are not. Bike tracks frequently end and dump cyclists into traffic, and intersections are always an issue. Electric bikes complicate things because they can be faster. Drivers are not used to that and new electric riders may not be either. Separation is even more important. I see no solution except more courtesy. And understanding.

[@russellcroweisfat5605]

Damn that one karen bothering a guy that is handicapped.

[@donadams8345]

The line between what is considered a motorcycle and an e-bike is blurring. That is causing confusion both among the riders and car drivers. Obviously some of the 2-wheel vehicles should be considered motorcycles and should be licensed and driven like them. I expect that laws will be passed that will both clarify this problem and upset e-bike riders. As an example for the need for clarification of laws, I was going out the front door of my house and three young teenagers went by on one e-bike seated tandem moving at about 20 mph. None had a helmet on. They blew through the stop sign at the end of the street and disappeared out of sight. They were a nasty accident waiting to happen. Yes, I ride an e-bike.

[@williamsporing1500]

I ride a gas powered 1911 Indian replica, but it’s legal. It still has operable pedals, it’s under 49cc

[@HikingFeral]

I'm a cyclist and honestly these mopeds with pedals need to be stopped from using pavement or cycle lanes. They are mopeds that do moped speeds that weigh moped weights and it's a loophole that will be closed soon. Thankfully here in the UK E bikes are heavily restricted in speed but most people de-restrict them and most sellers are willing to sell illegal e bikes. I look forward to the fines being so big it stops. Don't get me wrong I really love e bikes and I want one but they must be restricted to below 30mph and under a certain weight to stop these loophole engineers making mopeds with pedals. It WILL ruin it for the rest of us.

[@MrPikkoz]

Nothing justifies the reaction of the driver in the second video BUT ! the e-bike , brushed a column of cars at 30+mph in front of a roadworks with two way traffic on a single lane, enforced by temporary traffic lights , he never gave a hint of stopping pedalling or slowing down , that was downright reckless (and enjoyed the thrill of it ) putting himself and others in danger .Passing vehicles stopped in lane is legal only when it's safe to do so and i really can't see of any law enforcer would see that as "safe" , especially on a e-bike that even seems illegal over there ( in UK e-bikes can go up to 15.5mph or 250w , above that you have L1e-B "mopeds" that needs to be registered, taxed, insured ,tested and you need to wear an helmet) .

[@craigalexander9421]

And the car that passed him did not seem to have been that close. The rider over reacted I reckon

[@fjalics]

E-bikes are, and absolutely should be legal on a bike path. It's a great enabler for the injured, frail, or those looking to go farther, BUT, keep it under 20mph around other riders.

[@mostlikelywedoitservices6926]

Yes as the AH pedals at 28mph. what drugs are you on?

[@mostlikelywedoitservices6926]

But I do agree when used for the needy. Yes I see no problem. Its the idiots in your crowd that screw everything up.

[@dudeonbike800]

Depends how you define the word "e-bikes." Because in CA, a Class I e-bike is legal, but anything above that is not. You really want people on "e-bikes" doing 45mph your local multi-use path? None of us (rational people) do.

[@koopatroopa187]

@@dudeonbike800 What difference is there between a dude hauling ass on an eBike and a group of Lance Armstrong wannabes doing Tour de Bike Path? They're both going the same rate of speed. Hell, I will take eBike minding his business over the wannabes any day of the week. At least the eBike people aren't taking up the whole path trying to ride side by side.

[@dudeonbike800]

@@koopatroopa187 how about 15-30 mph difference for starters? Bike lanes have been designed for average vehicle speeds FAR LOWER than those of motor vehicles. In other words, cycling in a bike lane on a posted 25 mph road, you expect to encounter riders doing 10-20 mph in general. And when the posted speed limit goes up, you STILL expect bicycle traffic to be within the 10-20mph range. There are always exceptions. But they're EXCEPTIONS. I can't think of how may times I've been passed by a "group of Lance Armstrong wannabes" in any bike lane in the last 20 years. Maybe 5 times? Prior to that, I was the one in the peloton passing other riders. But again, we weren't riding 45mph in the bike lane! I pass riders all the time in the bike lane. And I use my bell almost ever time to let them know I'm passing. How hard is that to do? I don't expect many other riders are using a rear-view mirror like mine. And even then, ringing the bell is the polite and safe thing to do. So you're obviously missing the point entirely.

[@mbatson13]

HOw he didn't punch her in the face is a testament to his ability to control his emotions. Why do people think they need to play cop when they don't know the law? Sad.

[@ericwainwright7876]

Thankfully, most of us guys were raised to be gentlemen and that means no punching women in the face, even if they are bat shit crazy Karens. I try to be understanding of other, particularly since a lot of people with mental issues have been pushed over the edge because of COVID but it can be trying.

[@747fa]

Physical violence is unnecessary and against the law no matter what someone SAYS. Be the cool one. Avoid unnecessary confrontations.

[@OOTurok]

@@747fa When someone is physically restraining you, like the last Karen in the video... physical violence is legal & justified. I got stopped by a middle aged Karen, arguing with me how motorized vehicles are not allowed on the trail, just like the last Karen in the video. I was riding a mountain bike, which made her rant even more irrelevant. Other people walking through the park got involved, telling her to leave me alone, because I wasn't riding a motor vehicle. When I tried to leave, she physically restrained me while calling the cops on her phone. Then she pulled a gun on me, so I punched her in the face as hard as I could & disarmed her. When the cops showed up, she got arrested for aggregated assault & attempted assault with a deadly weapon.

[@kfox5301]

i would've hit her with the bear mace once she lost her mind and started assaulting him and his property.

[@guruoo]

They're lives are miserable, and they'd feel guilty for not sharing that misery with the world.

[@sanchezs7614]

As a ebike rider i agree that ebikes shouldn't belong on standard bicycle lanes because they clearly are already as fast as gas powered motorcycles. Also people walk on those trails as well and yes there are some ebike riders who are very cautious around people but not every ebike rider is. No different then a electric car and gas car

[@1960ARC]

The definition of a moped is a bike with less than 50cc with pedals. Originally all mopeds had pedals! Later they lost the pedals and kept the name moped.

[@Fr0mDust2Dust]

The first guy saying that “it’s not a motorized vehicle” had me dying. Electric bikes don’t move by magic. They have an electric motor. Haha

[@Marxon1134]

Its the legal definition that matters here.

[@Fr0mDust2Dust]

​@@Marxon1134 I get it, but I thought it funny. I have an electric bike. It has a motor for sure.

[@Marxon1134]

@@Fr0mDust2Dust they need better terminology for sure heheh.

[@Zed-Corps]

The terminology of motor law still makes sense even in modern day; a motor vehicle is a vehicle with motor size/strength of 50cc or higher. An vehicle with a motor weaker than that limit is not a motorized vehicle; as it's limited strength and potential is reserved for civilian equipment of any form; be it homemade, modification of existing equipment, or a purchased good, though if it's used on public roads the driver must follow the usual traffic laws of their residence.

[@Fr0mDust2Dust]

@@Marxon1134 very true. Electric bikes are in a grey area right now. But so are regular bicycles as well.

[@MrEddiecos]

the rider who claims "i've got right of way" is out of line for sure, if your riding a bike on a pedestrian crossing you are not a pedestrian and are a motorist, unless the crossing permits it. also it's also illegal to cross if the lights indicate " do not cross/ don't walk" etc. the start of that clip also looks like he went from the line of traffic to the crossing which is also illegal (contra indication to the markings of the lane).

[@DanaWeick]

That was in Arizona and riding a bicycle in a cross-walk is not unlawful in Arizona. I don't advise it but is isn't unlawful

[@shoutatthesky]

That guy was so in the wrong it's not funny!

[@BillOweninOttawa]

Yeah, he was an asshole and idiot. The kind that makes it hard for us all.

[@albundy6284]

Just because you use an ounce of energy to spin your pedal doesn't mean it is an ebike, let's be honest, these are motorcycles doing their best to pretend to be bikes so they can get on pedestrian pathways.

[@burnone716]

It's crazy how many of these Karens have never run in to the wrong person.. lessons get learned fast if you act up like that against someone having a bad day allready

[@YoungDolphh]

All of you dorks think that you're the "wrong one" 😂

[@MellyOmatic]

Wish I could carry a folding chair with me ;-)

[@sunriseshell]

Guy in video: "...You're in a Honda Ridgeline". Our host: "It's like the 'Male Karen' of pickup trucks". BEST LINE EVER!!!

[@peppermintpig974]

5:26 I figured this one out. The right two lanes were for turning and the far left for going straight. The ebike rider was in the far right and went straight. Rider was in the wrong lane for his action. IF they felt unsafe navigating the intersection they should have dismounted and used the crosswalk when permitted, otherwise they should have moved two lanes over.

[@CarlCrisp]

Yeah that’s something I see near the beach a lot. Some people like to go ‘vehicle rules, pedestrian rules, vehicle rules’ when it suits them. Gotta pick one and stick with it.

[@Bobylein1337]

@@CarlCrisp It's fine to switch, just need to dismount

[@peppermintpig974]

@@CarlCrisp Exactly. Be predictable, and look before transitioning.

[@sirlancegeo]

That is a common problem when there are no bike lanes or they are not well thought out.

[@pidiabloo]

Also it's hard to see the cross walk has the red hand . Not sure if the law at that location but in my area a red hand us the same as a red light and if a cop wants he could give a ticket for that

[@HopyHop1]

I don't know what the rules are about e-bikes in all situations, but an electric motor is a motor.

[@smartazz61]

"You should have lead with that" How about, "I'm sorry I was such a dick" Then he triples down. Holy shit.

[@FixtIt]

Not too be a Karen, but some of these "ebikes" are motorcycles with pedals. I've built ebikes and it's amazing how many of them out there basically have no bicycle parts other than the crank.

[@ohsnapsonbro4260]

Elektro motor is still a motor right? Hahah here in the Netherlands we have more bicycle than people. A lot have gone electric, we make the 'motorized' distinctions on their top speed.

[@rob9965]

You’re the epitome of a Karen, anytime you dislike something someone said or did you try to make yourself feel better by demanding they change their behaviour like a child having a tantrum instead of being an adult and learning to control your own emotions. You can dislike them all you want and still accept not everyone will agree or give a crap about what you or any of us think.

[@rob9965]

So no seat? No handlebars? No wheels, tires or spokes? No pedals? Lol. Just admit you don’t like them quit making out with the fear tactics Karen.

[@CB-rv2lj]

@@rob9965 I have a onewheel, skateboarded, snowboarded, any sort of board you can imagine and im 30. So I have no issue with people doing dumb shit. But stop downplaying how powerful these things are. I have a 2019 Honda CB300F (an actual motorcycle) that can go 90 mph. Its not even that strong and its light af. These ebikes go like 2/3rds of my motorcycle. Are you telling me if I put bike peddles on my motorcycle its a bike? it has a seat, handlebars, wheels tires and spokes so I'm not sure you understand how classification of vehicles works and you're just being dishonest with yourself. These things are mini motorcycles idiot.

[@CB-rv2lj]

@@rob9965 people like you will also make karens even more defensive against not allowing these things with being disingenuous. A fucking suron is not the same as someone putting an ebike fixture on their old peddlebike or someone riding around a bike that goes 20mph max for 50 miles. If you can make these distinctions people will allow certain ones and not BAN ALL OF THEM like your attitude will end up doing.

[@_lifeafterDARK]

I ride track and as a cyclist I can say that the single biggest threat and annoyance we face is pedestrians with pets...beating out red lights, stop signs, and intersections by a huge margin.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

I agree, and as the owner of an amazing doggie, when bikers and joggers are approaching I shorten her leash so she is right next to me. As a jogger / biker myself I have experienced the "dog off leash or on long leash" enquiry and almost wrecked.

[@justinreid2422]

I think all those extra long retractable leashes should be banned in public areas because the dogs think they are in charge and ruins their psychology to walking behind the master. The dogs are horribly misbehaved that have them and it just looks plain sloppy when I see people walking their dogs like this

[@allthingsharbor]

But the rules place the burden on the over-taking 'vehicle' right ?

[@Drd7682]

Every one of these foul interactions represents an infrastructure policy failure.

[@ericlouttit3370]

One of the biggest threats we pedestrians with pets face is bikes riding way to close to you way to fast but everything revolves around the bike I hate you people

[@povertyspec9651]

E-bikes have an electric MOTOR. The signs say NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES.

[@bigguy1403]

I think those signs were for 10 years ago stopping people with mopeds and motorcycles not bicycles or ebikes.

[@LetArtsLive]

OMG how can they tell that guy not to ride when he can't walk? In the USA there is a law under disability Ada we can ride places others can't.!

[@jadviento8815]

Literally ride ANYWHERE. Also who are they to approach anyone directly. If this was a state or national park you notify a ranger. Dude really asked "show me the rules that day you can ride that here" okay dude then what you gonna arrest me? And they should recognize a recumbent cycle or vehicle. Noone rides them just because.... They are way too expensive. People with limitations and disabilities do usually because they do not have a choice. People that don't pay attention. He led with "this is a handicap vehicle. And that dude said "anddddd" makes me so mad

[@bobair2]

All should ride ,not just some or all shall not.

[@ThisisTulsa918]

yes, very arrogant people, put a jenks on themselves , they could have a accident and be crippled up.. people like that are just disrespecting themselves...

[@christopherbedford9897]

@@jadviento8815 ..and then later the wife said "you should have led with that". Duh, Karen, what does "disability" mean then?

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

If someone knows who that toxic couple is, please share their contact info.

[@Po.2013]

These are not ebike but electric motors or scooters. In the EU all stuff like this with "gas" where bike move without pedaling are illegal. You need to have a motorbike license and use it only on the roads

[@t3073-b4i]

These clips aren't from Europe. They're allowed over here.

[@doctor567]

Thanks for pulling these together. As an ebike enthusiast for 10 years now, it's been really interesting (albeit unfortunate) to watch tensions grow along with ebike adoption. I like the concept of a YT channel bringing visibility to these issues. Could be a good podcast topic as well. Ebikes are here to stay and people need to learn on both sides so we can all adapt safely.

[@nomasker1360]

Now you know what dirtbikers put up with , in the middle of nowhere

[@gpro3680]

Just got an e-bike and hope I don’t come across these people. I just use the e-assist for pedaling so probably won’t have an issue. Just will throttle only when nobody around.

[@0U81TO]

Yeah...I just bought an e-bike as a Christmas gift to myself a week ago and I'm hoping not to come across these people either. Like you, I'll use the e-assist for pedaling and throttle when on one is around for miles 🙃Good luck to us huh!! But in a nutshell people whom don't have the spirit of Christ in them are going to act like Karens...

[@ligametis]

Second video was pretty reckless driving. Also imagine if everyone acted like that cyclist.

[@efecan1990]

I'm not an American, but e-bikes are "motorized". I'm looking to buy one right now, so that's why this video is recommended to me. But whatever the legal definition in whatever state doesn't matter to me. As an engineering point of view it's motorized. its heavier and carries a lot more momentum thanks to requiring a stronger frame and battery and *motor* weight. Also makes more noise.

[@benkelly7499]

It’s so sad to see how some people treat people with conditions :(

[@benkelly7499]

@bastiat no, you obviously didnt understand my point dude. Don’t treat people with conditions like shit. Plain and simple. You don’t need to treat them specially, but you shouldn’t berate them like half these videos. Why don’t I just expand it to everyone; don’t treat anyone like shit because of what you think. Just mind your own business and move on with your life

[@clicheguevara5282]

@bastiat Huh? No one here was "asking for special treatment". Every single one of these people just wanted to be left alone and not be harassed by ignorant, entitled people. Is that "special treatment"? Even the ONE who just said "I don't think motorized bikes are allowed here" should have kept her mouth shut if she didn't actually know what she was talking about. These cyclists were well within their legal right to be where they were and these idiots were harassing them for it. ..and the KZbinr was very honest and objective about each one of these situations. He even said he could see both sides of one of them. "people act like wheel chairs make you incapable of politeness" Oh, really? Which one of these disabled people was being impolite or demanding special treatment? I'll wait.. Your comment was dumb af dude. It has no relevance to the video we all just watched.

[@Wholesome_Fries]

They should've led with that

[@meleardil]

These are the people who "report" their neighbour to the "officials" because they are "braking the law" by hiding jews in their basement. REMEMBER THAT. It is a minor inconvinience only when the law is on your side. But when it is on their side, they are the evil incarnate.

[@fxtacy]

Lets be clear.. I'm all for e-bikes, but if a ebike has pedals, but a twist throttle that doesn't require using pedals to propel you, with motor assist, it does not belong on a mixed use trail! ie.. the one guy in NY was riding a suron (could see the batter cover!) That does not belong on a mixed use trail that states no motorized vehicles!

[@marshallusk1000]

By law these E-bikes are " governed ". The speed has a cap that classifies them as a bike. Literally, people can pedal faster than the top speeds of E bikes. If the manufacturer didn't cap the top speed, they couldn't sell it as a bicycle. It's a bicycle at the end of the day. And if a person uses the pedals or not shouldn't matter.

[@markdi2]

I think anything with a electric motor would be considered motorized so a e-bike is a motorized vehicle

[@joshuarebennack68]

I found this channel via your UBCO review. This video popped up as recommended one and I wanted to add some... discussion here. In the USA, e-bikes, especially e-MTBs, have vastly different access abilities on public land vs. on roads. There is a fundamental difference between land managed (or owned) by a transportation entity (DOT, county road, city public works) and one managed (of owned) by a recreation entity (DNR/DCR, county parks, city parks). This can result in a lot of issues for those that bring e-bikes (and especially e-MTBs) onto trails. What doesn't help is e-bike advocates pushing the idea that the federal definitions of an e-bike mean that they can go anywhere a 100% human powered bike can. In fact, many states (MA being one) and many municipalities ban motorized (yes, e-bikes have a motor) traffic of any kind on non-transportation defined trails and roadways. Typically, this includes natural surface singletrack, some wider natural surface trails and, in a few instances, paved trails. But the larger point here is that due to the USA's federated system and land management divisions, a person can't say, "Federal statue is this, so that means this or that is legal." Understanding local laws (which, again, can be different one town or property to the next) is important for e-bike riders. Most of the people yelling at e-bike riders you show in this video are jackwagons, true, but when to comes to e-bikes on recreational trails, they may not be wrong as far legality. In other videos you've mentioned that "e-bikes are allowed anywhere a normal bike is allowed" and that is only true of transportation defined roadways. Get off those onto recreational trails and the legality gets very complicated very fast. As an example of this, I live in a state with very clear, fairly liberal, e-bike rules with most land managers following the state guidance. But if my trail club got a class 2 or class 3 or that UBCO for trail work/tool carrying, we would have to go to every land manager and get a special allowance. My plea to all e-bike advocates, owners, curious individuals is this: understand the instant you cross off the right-of-way line of a road, you may not have legal access. Do your research and don't assume anything. If you can't find the information online, call or email that land manager and ask.

[@DFX2KX]

Bingo. Motor's a Motor, and an E-bike will tear up a trail just as easily as a gasbike will. Local city doesn' allow E-bikes on the gravel trails for that reason. But we can still use bike lanes (and even sidewalks provided we're not jerks about it).

[@biketothetop]

@@DFX2KX non-sense spoken here about tearing up a trail... a Class 1 (pedal assist, no throttle) won't do that.

[@DFX2KX]

@@biketothetop most Ebikes that are sold in the states are class 2 and 3. And most class 1's can have a throttle plugged in and deregulated with a button combo on the display. My TSDZ2 conversion kit's typical example

[@NATESOR]

I get that you're explaining what *is* not necessarily what *should be*. But the idea that a 500w motor that helps me get up the hill at 8 mph is the same thing as a 1000cc dirt bike is absolutely ridiculous. I think it is much more useful to frame the discussion of class 1-3 ebikes as regular bikes. Because that's how they are used. This "but it has a motor on it!" thing is asinine.

[@DFX2KX]

@@NATESOR with regard to effects on the trail, that distinction is valid. up to a point, a class 2 and 3 ebike can put down 1hp and have throttles. The issue comes with telling said ebikes apart from each other. other than the multi-KW Hub motors and absolutely huge mid drives (like the 3kw Cyclones) it's pretty hard to tell them apart. So you're going to get blamed regardless if folks with bikes like mine (a class 3) use the trail and dig ruts in it because thrumb down go brrr.

[@tomj7461]

At 6:00 , the bikes have to follow the rules of the road just like a car. The bike rider rode through and intersection from the sidewalk.

[@paveltolz6601]

Correct. Definite No No in Arizona.