Ebikes vs Karens - But they're increasingly aggressive

[@NeonPixels81]

I live in Japan, so this hostility to bikers is just completely alien to me. Bikers are literally part of the driving tests here. If you don't drive in a way that convinces the test proctor that you're aware of bikers 100% of the time, they just fail you instantly. It's not even a question.

[@hunterbuscus3000]

In the United States you take a drivers test once and it’s just driving around like 2 streets and there’s no culture of respecting bikers. Everyone essentially automatically hates them.

[@d3faulted2]

Do the bikers in your country follow traffic rules? The hostility here stems from the fact that they largely don't.

[@jacobwhite9961]

​@D3faulted 1 just so you know in the UK, not Japan, we are taught to adhere to bikers and other motorists when they disobey the road laws. We are taught to not engage and leave it to traffic officers most we can do is record and report. In fact you can actually be fined if you try to tell people the law. I know as an escooterist who actually got someone fined for dangerous driving from my helmet cam footage. They were shouting at me for riding illegally clearly not being aware of thier surroundings as they hit a kirb (Know that privatly owned e scooters are illegal in the UK, but I wasn't prosecuted as I was being safe on the cycle lane). I didn't try and lecture them I just went to the police station on my scooter and presented them the video. Showed in court a few weeks later and the guy got points on his licence and a fine. I was very smug. But I think the system worked, while we were both being illegal due to how I reacted I was let off while he wasn't as he was the one being a danger

[@NeonPixels81]

@@jacobwhite9961 My wife and I have often said rather than move back to the US if we want to leave Japan, we'd move to the UK, so this is great to hear. Also it's very honest of you to admit where you were in the wrong as well as the other person, that's not very common in the US so it's quite refreshing.

[@75egcg]

I’ve rode my bike safely for years and always encountered people throwing stuff at me and spitting on me. I finally decided to hang up riding a bicycle for good when a motorist swerved at me and caused me to dive off the edge of the road into the woods fracturing my wrist, ribs, bruised liver, and I got stuck with a $30,000 medical bill as the driver walked away completely free.

[@willcline5918]

"This is a handicap piece of equipment" "You should have led with that" He *DID* lead with that

[@cannace4mafa439]

They just don't want anyone that's not like them to be on the trail handicapped or not they believe they make rules an enforce them to

[@samismith8752]

I honestly cannot applaud that guys's patience enough. I'd have been spitting and swearing and completely lost my shit. Fucking with people who are disadvantaged and then having the gall to victim blame rather than apologize is peak asshole behavior. Anyone caught on tape doing this shit needs to be banned from the public spaces where they engage in this behavior. Same with the dickheads in trucks that try to clip someone on a bike. Mandatary jail time, 10 year license suspension. Easy. Without real, honest to goodness consequences there's no reason for these Karens not to continue their dangerous, abusive behavior.

[@randym119]

And even if he didn't. He doesn't need to.

[@Pellagrah]

@@samismith8752 If the harassment continued, he could've genuinely taken legal action or even pressed charges. Anyone with a disability needs to be armed with a basic understanding of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Karens just LOVE to maliciously misinterpret the rules so they can bully anyone they perceive to be vulnerable, especially people with disabilities.

[@Dabby724]

yeah the female was just as dumb as the male.

[@barrelracer318]

I literally had a karen encounter like that last video. She got downright nasty with me, shoved me and my bike over, and herself, fell over the bike as well while doing so. Called 911 because she got a booboo on her leg. The police showed up. An ambulance showed up. I was questioned, while she was having a self induced panic attack. The officer saw my travel cam footage and my gps for speed acknowledgement. Dismissed me, she became extremely belligerent to the officer and the paramedic because I was given the right to leave. I stayed while she started to assault the officer, and waved as the police car pulled off with her in the back seat. I still see her once and a while around the paths this happened at.

[@chrisbarrett5570]

Amazing story

[@kevinc8387]

Oh man, something you got to post. Love it.

[@henrysniper8481]

Why are there so many nut cases on bicycles now ??

[@IhaytFukkingsocialmedia]

im telling you- the lunatics ALWAYS out themselves. let them fall victim to their own insanity.

[@asdaven1]

People could litterally live a lower stress lifestyle and have less panic attacks by just not creating these situation onto themselves and just worry about themselves.

[@ilikechickensausages2075]

When i was a kid someone strung up fishing line and nearly cut my neck, This was before E-bikes but none the less scary. We were just kid's ridding around our BMX bikes.

[@NiSiochainGanSaoirse]

In my home town, we have a council estate (what we call projects in Britain) which borders a sizeable old quarry, and all the dirt bikers and ebikers used to ride down there, because it's out of the way, with mega wide roads, and leads directly to a dirt bike site. The local kids started hanging washing lines across the road at the entrance to the quarry, and seriously hurt a number of young lads, stealing their motorbikes after they'd fallen off when the washing line caught their necks. Thankfully, it's a narrow entrance so the lads were slowing down when they hit the wires, but if they'd been riding much faster they'd have been decapitated. Sadly, one young lad DID get decapitated at a local quarry a few years ago, and the council closed all these old quarries from public use.

[@cheshire_]

pretty sure I have seen that in a movie, completely forgot about it until now well thank you I'm scared of going off roading now

[@rebelartstudio3730]

​@@NiSiochainGanSaoirsethat wul be consdered a felony assalt really

[@michaeleverett2650]

Ha Ha,😂 I'm laughing my ass off.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

People like to do that a lot. I had great eyesight as a kid and could sometimes see the thin steel wires stretched across the trees. Riding a bicycle off-road today would get me killed.

[@moteroargentino7944]

As a motorcycle rider, my advice when dealing with crazy four wheelers is: stop and wait for them to go away (no verbal response, just keep an eye on them and maintain your distance) or turn into another direction, but never continue alongside them. That just gives more opportunities to anger and recklessness.

[@davidweaver4436]

Yep. Don't confront them. You're not likely to get through to them and they have about triple the weight in steel on you. And about 100 times if you're on a bicycle.

[@radioguy801]

Yeah but if you don't capture and upload the footage, how are you supposed to go viral on social media?

[@briananderson6142]

A legal e-bike that can be used on walking or biking paths, they are called Class One e-bike pedal assist, but you can not exceed 20MPH 32KM/H and must be peddled. Class One has no throttle and is considered a pedal assist, no insurance is required. These rules apply in Canada and the US.

[@rickybobby7276]

​@@davidweaver4436 Exactly I drive a car you move out of my way. Why's that so hard to understand. Every boater knows the bigger boat has the right of way. But every idiot can travel on roads so the rules are the opposite to account for the biggest idiot.

[@mmmmmmmmmmm10]

​@@rickybobby7276it'll be a good day when a long-haul rig has the same attitude as you and drives straight through your car at 100mph because it's smaller. You had it coming for being in a smaller vehicle.

[@theunderdog6446]

“You should have lead with that” HE LITERALLY DID WTF

[@kropking]

He doesn't owe them an explanation in the first place.

[@EdD-ym6le]

Those kind of people are never wrong and low test beta boy was being a man for his girl .

[@stormysyndrome7043]

@@EdD-ym6le Was she a girl, or the man of the family?

[@travthetoker5976]

Egos be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fucking high

[@Mash3OH3]

I would of said eat shit pal. If he come towards me with that kind of attitude l.

[@bulletproof4716]

These people remind of the time some Karens stopped me riding my ebike on a trail on my property. They called the cops and they tried to argue with the cops about me riding on a private trail on my property. They ended up going to jail and their bikes getting towed

[@Zetler]

Lol poetic justice.

[@Temmmpla]

owned

[@ericwainwright7876]

Karma is a bitch - LOL

[@ronedwards8239]

The day I got mine a male Karen tried that crap with me. Ignorant people make crap up in their head and speak it like it’s the law. Then get angry when proven wrong. It’s hard to fix stupid. The lady at the end of the video is a complete mental case! Should be locked up.

[@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow]

Kudos to the cops

[@workliferecognition7002]

Ride the roads you get drivers trying to push you off. Ride the sidewalks you get pedestrians harassing you. Can’t win as a biker. No reason to hate on them just cause they don’t need a license except for a certain speed.

[@blacbraun]

It's because cyclists in North America are few and far between. Need a horde of us to block all traffic and then maybe they'll get the message.

[@2fercarol]

Really makes me mad when handicapped people are attacked. Especially by these people who think they are entitled.

[@adamjohn0]

Exactly, they should be spending more time minding their own business. Rather than prancing around telling people what that can and can't do.

[@frankzappaspussy7362]

fair enough for handicapped people to rely on motorised vehicles to get about.. however if they are traveling on a thin path used by pedestrians - then it is sensible for them to move at a moderate speed or people are in danger of being seriously hurt.. the issue of pedestrians being in danger does not go away just because the person driving the motorised vehicle is handicapped..

[@vettemuziekjes]

I sure hope that woman doesn't get children from him.

[@ralphpeteranderl4063]

@@frankzappaspussy7362 I agree - just because you are handicapped doesn't mean that you could drive an F150 on the trail.

[@colinryshaf3295]

handicapped people can f. off if they are endangering other peoples lives they are, or should be, just as accountable as everyone else...

[@desertrat7634]

I love that lady who said, "you could have led with that." My response would have been, "You could have minded your own damn business."

[@bindingcurve]

You have assholes with 30mph class 3 bike flying down mixed use trails. There are one or two around here. Hell, I will ride my "analog" bike on the road next to the mixed use trails if it has a low speed.

[@Cesar-cm4if]

I would've said the same haha. Anyway, something to keep in mind while biking is to wear an nta helmet like xnito or bern, I see a lot of people ebiking with cpsc helmets

[@henrik1743]

Imagine going outside doing exercise and being handicapped and regular fit karens tell you you can't do that, I just wanna give that guy a fucking hug jesus

[@desertrat7634]

@@henrik1743 I climbed superstition mountain in Arizona on crutches. When we neared the top of the mountain, an elderly woman on her way down saw me and said seeing me up there on crutches made her feel like an ass for complaining about the hike. Even broken people like nature, so leave us alone for doing what we need to do to enjoy the day. This guy wasn't in any kind of bike, let alone an ebike, and any fool could see that.

[@desertrat7634]

@@bindingcurve I'll grant you that, and most jurisdictions don't allow that. But this guy clearly wasn't even on an ebike.

[@SackyX]

Being a disabled person that used to bike everywhere, I would love to have one of these E-bikes. People can be so impatient these days.

[@macaronienshiis]

Not impatient. Stupid.

[@SackyX]

@@mikewebb1487 That really sucks, they should change the laws with e-bikes imo.

[@Energine1]

@@mikewebb1487 If they require an endorsment for the trike then it IS a motorcycle there and could be used for the test. Try talking to the actual instructors that run the test. I bet they would be able to oblige you considering. Good luck and fight the good fight :)

[@JH-xc1ce]

@@SackyX I would agree, but the line becomes a bit blurry. I’m a motorcyclist, but I see a lot of people who ride e-bikes and treat them the same as bicycles… but they’re going 35-50 mph. Only a bike helmet and not following road safety laws any competent motorcyclist would. Some people think that ebikes are bicycles you don’t have to pedal. They aren’t, and they’re much more dangerous. But others think of them as motorcycles. They’re not, they’re not as dangerous. They’re in a weird twilight zone and require their own rules.

[@tubytootoo]

@@JH-xc1ce yeah right now ebikes are like having the benefits of both a bike and a motorcycle; but probably shouldn’t. A bike with 1000w and no limiter can easily get 30 on the flats. My onyx was getting 45 no problem, but people would scoot up on sidewalks with them, which probably they shouldn’t. I gave up my onyx though. It was too motorbikey, honestly, I want to feel like I’m pedaling, so standard ebike is plenty good for me, and going 25 as a max speed is totally sufficient.

[@heddystgeorge3756]

I bet the people with the dog on the trail are the same ones who tried to block it with the branches

[@johannlopez4524]

"You should have led with that." How bad would it be to just admit that you're wrong sometimes or made an incorrect assumption?

[@arrigalimedia]

He did lead with it though. He said it's a handicapped piece of equipment.

[@double_joseph327]

@@arrigalimedia those people make me sick. Zero respect for others.

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

*The disabled guy literally led with his immobile feet.*

[@hulkhatepunybanner]

@@double_joseph327 *Later on the couple went to stop people in wheelchairs about using too much of the sidewalk.*

[@johnspartan3405]

Right! "I have 49 rounds of 9mm on my person and you're trying to prevent me from leaving. Should I lead with that?"

[@ed1726]

I love the 'you should have led with that'. Even when completely wrong, it's still someone else's fault.

[@Johnketes54]

Husbands fault,Using his mouth and not his brain

[@xprincexofxsavagesx]

@@Johnketes54 He positioned himself at the hill trying to keep that ebike guy on the slope so that he might fall back down. Dude wanted to see someone else get hurt plain and simple probably already knew it was a handicap situation but only backed off because he realized the brakes were stable.

[@RamadaArtist]

Literally the first thing he said was "this is a handicap piece of equipment." Like, bruh, he DID lead with that.

[@K162KingPin]

He wasn't wrong actually. I dont agree with his confrontational attitude but the trail did apparently prohibit motorized vehicles. E bikes use "electric MOTORS". Nobody said the trail only prohibited combustion motors. Most electric vehicles like that actually use 2 or even 4 electric motors, either 1 for each back wheel, or even 1 for every wheel. Meanwhile combustion vehicles almost exclusively use only one motor. The point is "you should have led with that", is just the woman's way of saying "well if i had realized you were handicapped I wouldn't have said anything about you breaking the rules because I'm embarrassed by your condition and would have just let you get away with it." So yea, it was the handicapped guys fault. He knew the trail prohibited motorized vehicles, and either didn't know or didn't care that his e bike had electric motors. I have no opinion on whether or not the trail should prohibit ebikes, or on whether or not exceptions should be made for the handicap, but as the rules were at the time, he was clearly breaking them. Then he posted the video to shame the only two people who dared confront him for it.

[@ed1726]

@@K162KingPin Could you point me in the direction of the documentation over disability access to Brown County State Park?

[@MrRed-cf6gk]

"You should have led with that." He literally did lead with that.

[@pedroclaro7822]

That's what American has become, people complaining about anything and everything. When I was a punk that used to be our motto "question everything" lol

[@K162KingPin]

I certainly would not have reacted like that. I probably wouldn't have said anything to the guy. I'm not oblivious and it would have been obvious he was handicapped. That said, the trail did apparently prohibit motorized vehicles. It is a sad reality that not EVERYTHING in the world can be made handicap accessible. Saying its an E bike doesn't change anything about the park rules. E bikes use electric "MOTORS". I highly doubt the rules only specifically prohibit "Motorized vehicles that run on combustible fuel, of a specific size or greater". I have seen many of these tiny motor warriors trying to stick it to the man by using non combustion motors, or even combustion motors that fall under the legal limit requiring registration, insurance, and licensing to operate. None of that has anything to do with trails in a park. The park managers can set whatever rules they like. The rule they set was "no motors". This guy may be handicapped but I bet he can read. He got a sensational over reactions but he did it by breaking the park rules. That's not a hero fighting for the rights of the handicapped, its a anarchist creating clickbait for people who can't see beyond the surface of a situation. If anything he makes handicapped people look like a bunch of aholes who are going to shove their disability in your face and try to force you to let them do whatever they feel like, rules be damned.

[@lorehammer40k4]

@@K162KingPin But the trail didn't need to be "made" handicap accessible, because it already was, evidenced by the fact that we both just watched a video of the handicapped man accessing it. Either way, you're very right that the rules can be set by the US Forestry Service, and guess what! They already did! And their rules state that a wheelchair or other power-driven mobility devices is allowed any where that foot traffic is allowed. Oh, and the Department of Justice has stated that mobility devices are allowed on any public accommodations (which includes public lands and any private trail that is open to the public, or any other "place of recreation") according to Titles II and III of the Americans with Disabilities Act, but just the tiniest amount of common sense and empathy would have already told you that, assuming you had any. Can you show me on the doll where the tiny motor warriors touched you? Are the tiny motor warriors in the room with us right now? Oh, and where did this guy ever claim to be some kind of hero fighting for the rights of the handicapped? Other than in your imagination I mean (and the amount of nonsense you decided was reality based on your imagination is actually kind of impressive). And now he's a goddamn anarchist? Do you hear yourself? That man was following every rule, but just because you are ignorant of the rules you think he's "throwing his disability in your face"? Seriously? Thank god we had a real hero like you to stand up to that anarchist disabled man who can't stop shoving his disability in our faces by existing in a public place. Doesn't he realize that us normals go to these kinds of places specifically so we don't have to look at disgusting disabled people like him? Thank you so much, Mr FullSizeGaming for making sure he stays inside his house like his type is supposed to! Maybe in the future, you should keep your mouth shut and let everyone assume you might be a bit of an idiot instead of opening it and proving you're a complete idiot. You are the exact type of Karen that would call the cops on a blind man for having a service dog in a restaurant. Seriously, do better, because this behavior is just disgusting. "Oh, I wouldn't have acted like the people in the video, even if the disgusting disabled anarchist motor warrior was provoking me by shoving his disability in my face by being outside." You dropped your rubber nose and giant shoes, my liege, and you should take this crown too, because you are clearly the King of Clowntown.

[@K162KingPin]

@@lorehammer40k4 You know I only read the first 7 words of that rant right? The fact remains that you are WRONG and I am RIGHT. Period end of story. The fact that a person can break the park rules and travel in an area with a prohibited vehicle does not in any way prove that it is acceptable. You "could" drive a bulldozer down the interstate but it would destroy the roads for everyone else. You "could" drive a bus through a playground but it would create an unacceptable safety hazard for the children and parents. Obviously the ability to do something does not in any way make it acceptable, especially when there are rules specifically prohibiting it. There is no prohibition for handicapped people to use the train, or even to use human powered vehicles. The prohibition is for "motorized" vehicles which he was using. Last I knew legs not working has nothing to do with your arms. If he can have an Ebike custom made for him then he could have a hand peddle bike made. He just wanted to flaunt his disability and make people cringe so bad they didn't want to confront him about breaking the rules and endangering others.

[@bensmith3304]

@@K162KingPin You are trolling for lolz, at least I hope you are. You do realize that not all people who can't walk have complete control of their arms. Should people with cerebral palsy or MS just worm along the ground since they are CLEARLY more than able to do so? Or should all disabled people you find disfavorable just stay out of sight and mind, that is, of course, until you yourself become disabled?

[@snowkracker]

I wouldn’t even stop and debate these people. Just smile and wave.

[@gorporpio]

I've always done everything I can to stay away from cars when riding a bike. No point in challenging a car with a bike regardless of what's legal.

[@LtEdPell]

Never bring a bike to a pickup truck fight.

[@christopherbedford9897]

Yah exactly. As my advanced driving course instructor said to me, doesn't matter if you have the right of way - if you have a collision it's going to _at the very least_ ruin your whole day.

[@koopatroopa187]

@@christopherbedford9897 I've always said the right of way is whatever prevents an accident.

[@jeremiahdssdentmorgan3341]

When it comes to riding ANY 2wheel vehicle it's best to think of yourself as *INVISIBLE* Because 9 times out of 10 accidents involving a "bike" the other driver always says "*I didn't see it*"

[@koopatroopa187]

@@jeremiahdssdentmorgan3341 That's a great way to think, but extend that thought to being a pedestrian and even when driving your car. Always be under the assumption that people suck at driving and don't see you.

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

Honestly, I feel sad for the guy that has nothing better to do than to give the guy in an adaptive trike a hard time.

[@Packmeacone]

Bro poor guy hope he's going well

[@henrik1743]

Imagine going outside doing exercise and handicapped and regular fit karens tell you you can't do that, I just wanna give that guy a fucking hug jesus

[@pops55650]

I’m sure the Karen realized he lost the argument when the rider told him he can’t walk, but he was still trying to argue the point to not look bad to his woman. The woman who said “you should have led with that” well no, she should have minded her own business and kept her man in check

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

@@pops55650 "kept her man in check" are you for real? The dude needs to keep himself in check. As we all do. Although, I know from my experience that people with this kind of attitude are incapable of self-governance, as they can do no wrong, but thus, are even less capable of taking advice or direction.

[@johnnylong2049]

“You should of led with that” got my blood boiling a bit. No apologies, no “our bad”, no nothing. Just walk away and end the conversation because you’re too good to own up to your mistakes. SMH.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

those 3 wheel bikes look like a blast, so nice to see bikes made for those who cant ride a normal bike.

[@MrSGL21]

there are e-trikes you can get too. they are a bit pricey but they exist.

[@islandfantasy5931]

You'll love the 4x4 e bikes. I just saw it last week and It's awesome

[@p1nk5p1d3r]

@@islandfantasy5931 isn't it essentially electric atv?

[@islandfantasy5931]

@@p1nk5p1d3r No it looks like the trike the handicap man was riding. Just has 4 wheels

[@mehapgood]

Except for some handicaps, riding an arm cycle (not electric) is a great alternative to “e”-equipment.

[@quacker998]

In most states in the US anything above 750w or 1 horsepower is not considered an ebike but a motorized vehicle Class1, 2 and 3 certified e-bikes carry a sticker on the frame anything else is illegal on public roads unless it has a vin and can be registered with your local DMV

[@MBergyman]

A good rule to follow is if you have an e-bike that is basically an electric motorcycle, and you are travelling a speeds that are similar to normal vehicle speeds, then just follow the same rules as other regular vehicles. If you are riding a low-powered pedalec, then follow normal bicycle rules. Some of the guys riding e-bikes in this video are idiots the way they are riding, regardless of how inappropriate the karens are.

[@karencooper6634]

Thank you, just the way I see it too

[@andrewnorris5415]

Well said. Common sense approach. It's clear the law is wrong and needs updating and some are exploiting the loopholes.

[@BillOweninOttawa]

Where I am bike rules and car rules, with a few exceptions, are identical.

[@DFX2KX]

@Lee G except what he's describing *IS* the law. Let's break down exactly what he said bit by bit: "If you have an E-bike that is basically an electric motorcycle" The US Consumer Product Safety Commission defines a motorized bicycle (such as an E-bike, but gas motors are allowed too) as a bike that generates no more then 1HP (750watts) and goes no faster than 20mph. Anything that can go faster than that isn't 'basically' a motorcycle. it *IS* a motorcycle, legally speaking. Cops can impound it if they clock you going faster than 20 and your feet aren't moving. if it's going significantly faster, they can impound it anyway and check what your output is. "And you're travelling at speeds that are similar to normal vehicle speeds" So, if you're operating your out-of-compliance E-bike like a motorcycle. Don't be a dumbass. Cops know you've de-limited the thing when you go whizzing by at traffic speed. Now you won't be worth the trouble if you're following the rules. But if you run a red, or roll up on the sidewalk where that's not allowed, or generally pose a hazard to slower foot/bike traffic, they will bust you, and they'll impound the bike. You should keep that 8kw E-MTB off the bike trails, because that's just asking for trouble.

[@DFX2KX]

@@andrewnorris5415 Don't think updating the law is gong to help there. They don't have the athority to regulate *off road* vehicles exactly, and the settings inside controllers that disable limiters are intended only for offroad use. didn't stop me from disabling the 15mph top speed in my TSDZ though. And the cops here REALLY, REALLY don't care. The shit I've seen done on pedal-bikes (or done myself TBH, I'm no saint) is worse than most of what's in this video, let alone the E-bikes.

[@brianm7287]

"You should have led with that." No, he doesn't have to explain himself to you.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

That was a douchecanoe thing to say to a handicapped biker

[@quinngratrix9329]

She said you should have led with that when he literally did😂 dude was like what gives you the right to ride on here? First thing that came out of his mouth was this is a handicap price of equipment. Then he replied “so?” Clearly showing there ignorance.

[@LaOwlett]

That woman expects people with disabilities to have to constantly explain themselves... Some people can't mind their own business, they just can't help themselves.

[@Eve-the-witch]

He did lead with that

[@DustinDIY]

Yet he did actually lead with that.

[@AdamasOldblade]

Seems like a classic case of people screaming, "STOP HAVING FUN!"

[@sunilanand6910]

It's almost like it's a microcosm of the world. Everybody in the world seems to have it bad at the moment ( obviously some worse than others), and the moment certain people see others trying to alleviate that, they feel it's their right to tell you to "STOP HAVING FUN". The solution? Ride more, ignore the haters, obey the trail/ road rules and most importantly STAY SAFE.

[@IhaytFukkingsocialmedia]

Classic BorderlineMom. AbuserMom. Ugh. Hate people like this. They are more likely to cause an accident than anyone.

[@joshuafightmaster5505]

Most states allow class 1 EMTB or handicap assisted EMTB on trails. Most folks in this video are not on class 1 e-bikes which is the problem. Folks riding Surrons and other versions on trails are gonna cause people following the rules to loose the access we have fought for. Truly sad this video is falsely stating these folks are in the right.

[@craigcampbell1843]

The issue I have with Onyx and Monday is they accelerate very quickly and will go about 50-60 mph but they don’t come with standard safety features like blinkers or good brake lights like the mopeds of the 70s did. They are also made in California where it is DEFINITELY required to have insurance and a motorcycle license to ride them on the street but they advertise them as no license required and sell them to people that have never even ridden a 25 mph moped let alone something that goes twice that fast. They make people think if you can ride a bicycle you can ride their bike but they’re not the same thing. They’re more like an electric motorcycle that just happens to have pedals on it. Half the time the people in their advertisements aren’t even wearing helmets. Great product but very irresponsible advertising in my opinion. I think bikes like that are going to wind up getting some people in trouble or seriously injured. Always look up your state laws before purchasing and don’t buy a bike you aren’t ready for.

[@kevinromig9477]

they do not go 50-60 . the vast majority can barely make 30 . only some very exspensive hp e bikes can barely go over 40

[@craigcampbell1843]

@@kevinromig9477 I think you need to read the very first sentence of my comment again.

[@craigcampbell1843]

@@kevinromig9477 Onyx top speed is 60.

[@RealDocJames]

​@kevinromig9477 you're not paying close attention are you?

[@RealDocJames]

They are 100% low powered motorcycles, don't get it twisted. Those crappy compliance pedals are just there for show. NOBODY pedals those things. Plenty of true ebikes out there. The ones you referenced are not.

[@miketrav]

As someone who loves mountain biking I’d probably be pissed if somebody came flying by me 50 miles an hour when I’m on the trails with my kids on one of those things I mean they essentially are a motorcycle

[@mikeg6633]

I agree. I'm building a 50 mph ebike. When I'm on bike trails I maintain a legal speed. When I get on the road, I keep up with traffic. I don't have to go full speed all the time.

[@laughingsnake1989]

Hey look kids a Karen

[@miketrav]

@@laughingsnake1989 Hey kids look Trailer trash

[@laughingsnake1989]

@@miketrav look if I am haveing fun I don’t give a Damm and yes I am trailer trash and proud of it can’t afford any better after I lost my leg and arm in Iraq

[@miketrav]

@@laughingsnake1989 Exactly. Every sentence you write just ozzes trailer trash. you’re going to have that badge with you the rest your life you’re not gonna make it very far.

[@LuisvilleLip]

they are exactly the type of people who will run stop signs and red lights without looking twice and they have the gall to tell others about laws and rules

[@MontanaPDX]

They think they own everything they step foot on. Pure entitled narcissism.

[@FlockofSmeagles]

Some of them practice the same kind rash and assumptive logic that you do, yes. That's the actual issue here.

[@ChrisinOSMS]

Most USDA/US Forest Service lands consider ebikes to be motorized vehicles while the National Park Service does not. The US Forest Service in my area tickets people if they are caught on the mountain bike trails.

[@IhaytFukkingsocialmedia]

oh wow that seems so odd! but i suppose, MoST ebikes arent really off-road, i myself dont really mountain bike so it wouldnt affect me. It's an odd situation cuz, you can ride an e-bike without engaging the electricity and simply pedaling therbey making it exactly like a regular roadbike.

[@Systems1]

Not any more. The Federal Government recognizes ebikes as "bicycles" now. It really depends on the administrator of the specific area.

[@Systems1]

The USDA cannot supersede local laws that regulate transportation on public roads.

[@ericpmoss]

I’m all for e-bikes, but I do get the concern over high powered e-bikes on regular bike paths. It’s true that 15mph is 15mph no matter the vehicle, but it’s pretty easy to blast up to a speed too fast for people to react in time on a narrow path. That said, being nice about it goes a long way.

[@zeroboyrick1717]

I've been riding e-bikes for over 10 years. The last couple years I've seen a huge amount of hostility from analog cyclists. I'd like to see some restraint on the part of hi-performance electric moped owners like the Onyx and Sur-Rons riding on bike paths at ridiculous speeds. It's easy to label everyone a Karen but they have reason to hate us. Please don't give them justification to ban us.

[@747fa]

Spot on, Richard. And always use common sense.

[@LetArtsLive]

Yes I can see the other side of it sir ronster doing wheelies down the street things like a hundred people on e-bikes in a crowd like a gang going down the road that's b*******! They take over the whole Road they have no conscience. I'm not like these people. I'm afraid someday I won't be able to ride my e-bike legally anymore because of people like those and one of them is bound to die and then I can't ride my bike anymore and I don't have money for insurance and all that and I have one leg it's my only transportation and it saved my life my bike. Yes it's a cheap one eco-trick hammer but it works it's got 1300 miles. I need to change the tires and do some maintenance but I like it. The ecoatrick hammer is really big though. I just got a 20 amp hour battery and it barely barely just by millimeters fits under the seat lol. Yes I have range anxiety cuz I can't pedal. I figure that battery will go 30 miles I have two other batteries that go 20 miles so if I go to the lake 30 miles away I won't run out of energy. I bought a solar panel but it's so heavy how you going to carry it? But I'm going to try. It's a blue ETI and the box is another 15 lb so I'm going to use a mppt. If you're dead you can still keep going I have a wagon

[@tomsan7742]

over the last 7 to 8 years there has been an upsurge in hostility toward many different areas of society - the aviation and service industry among others. the hostilities against ebikes are just another symptom of a much larger problem.

[@dtz1000]

They will try to ban you anyway because a lot of what's driving it is jealousy on their part. Almost always white people btw.

[@noskills720]

@@tomsan7742 Yup. Everyone wants their flavor but they don't want you to have your flavor.

[@skully0078]

As a driver of 4 wheels and a rider of 2 wheels, I know that when you're driving 4 & riding 2 and some idiot on 2 that doesn't follow the rules jumps out in front of you or cuts you off, your heart more than skips a beat when you could have just easily have killed someone even if they are at fault.

[@Energine1]

Has less to do with the wheel count and more to do with humans human-ing around jeje.

[@a64738]

When I ride a e-bike or bike I follow motorcyle rules and stick to that... Nilly willy switching with pedestrian rules while going at high speed is sure way to get killed or end up in a wheelchair and it do not help you that you did was legal if it gets you killed...

[@HikingFeral]

I'm a cyclist and honestly these mopeds with pedals need to be stopped from using pavement or cycle lanes. They are mopeds that do moped speeds that weigh moped weights and it's a loophole that will be closed soon. Thankfully here in the UK E bikes are heavily restricted in speed but most people de-restrict them and most sellers are willing to sell illegal e bikes. I look forward to the fines being so big it stops. Don't get me wrong I really love e bikes and I want one but they must be restricted to below 30mph and under a certain weight to stop these loophole engineers making mopeds with pedals. It WILL ruin it for the rest of us.

[@rickbateman2401]

It all depends on where you live. Where I live bicycle paths are restricted to pedal bikes. If you’re riding an ebike, you must have the motor turned off and be pedalling the bike. The sad part is that our province considers any motorized vehicle that can reach 38km/h a vehicle that needs to be licensed and insured EXCEPT ebikes. Some moped style ebikes can reach speeds of 70km/h and are designed in a way that makes them almost impossible to pedal for even a short distance - yet they’re still considered bicycles.

[@FamousByFriday]

Yeah. Some trails specify if they allow pedal assist and if they don’t full on electric bikes. All the mountain bike trails around here are maintained by a volunteer group, so I feel like the people that maintain the trail define the vehicle… not the state.

[@metamorphicorder]

Yes, those candian laws are something arent they. And those daymak 'ebikes' with their ebike tags are just adorable.

[@daviddauza]

"I am a disabled person. This is my Personal Mobility Device, allowed on this public trail by the American Disability Act." Have had to say this too many times.

[@matthewJ142]

And it's clearly harassment of a person with a disability which should be a serious crime

[@TheCharskeBros]

not fucking ok if i saw you i would say hell ya man get after it and fist bumped these people needa get a life

[@noroom4commies086]

Hate crime REEEEEEEEEE

[@DarrinSK]

Why are you polite? You should tell them to STFU and mind their own business

[@abigails4088]

@@noroom4commies086 < account made immediately in the aftermath of the 2020 election... and spews rhetoric directed at *PHYSICALLY DISABLED PEOPLE* RHETORIC THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO PEOPLE SHOVING DISABLED PEOPLE INTO GAS CHAMBERS

[@digger3578]

I have a rule: never harass someone in a wheelchair. I’ve had this rule since about age two or three.

[@elixier33]

Stupid ruks Don't harass anyone.. Treat Everyone the way you wanna be treated.

[@eashanahluwalia9599]

And if you do you get a wheelchair too!

[@OregonDARRYL]

Well, since 2016... a lot of "adult" children are encouraged to throw tantrums and ignore reality.

[@briananderson6142]

Some of those unregulated dual wheeled Wide Ebikes can go very fast on trails, they race them, coming up on people fast and confrontations arise. Notice they all have Helmet Cams to record their encounters, then post them or sell them.

[@johnrhodes3350]

​@@OregonDARRYLTDS is Real

[@efecan1990]

I'm not an American, but e-bikes are "motorized". I'm looking to buy one right now, so that's why this video is recommended to me. But whatever the legal definition in whatever state doesn't matter to me. As an engineering point of view it's motorized. its heavier and carries a lot more momentum thanks to requiring a stronger frame and battery and *motor* weight. Also makes more noise.

[@everettdegrasse8478]

I get the feeling that there is trouble on both sides of this issue. People who don't like anything with a motor and people with bikes who, like kids, pay little attention to road rules.

[@Greg_Chase]

The person with inability to walk, in his 3 wheeler, being hassled along the trail is a new low. These days, it's pressure-pressure-pressure from people just lashing out with no manners, just blatant hostility if they decide they don't like something. The first question I would have asked that guy if I could not walk and was using a 3-wheeler is "what is your first name?" That immediately makes the lashing-out person think "wait a minute - I don't want to give this person my first name because I might be in the wrong and they might report me to staff" If the person refuses to give you their first name, YOU GOT 'EM. They are exhibiting guilt. Get a full description of them into memory then turn them in. Get the karens out of situations - like a trail riding area - where they do not have the adult manners to peacefully coexist. It's uncomfortable to turn the tables on a karen but you have to start somewhere. Maybe these folks can learn to be TOLERANT if they discover there is a price to pay for being intolerant. PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE. Everyone has just as much right to recreation as any other person.

[@peterlongprong7521]

walkers hassle joggers, joggers hassle cyclists cyclists hassle assisted cyclists cyclists hassle motorcyclists/ATVs ATV hassle car drivers car drivers hassle truck drivers truck drivers hassle ... well a semi-truck can squish anyone... so I wouldn't mess with them. but you get the gist of how humanity goes - "evolution by the entitlement rule"

[@ClockworkWyrm]

@Paradox_Epsilon It's not just young kids. I work around a large University and there are a lot of young adult living in the surrounding area, they're probably the WORST when it comes to violating road rules whether they're walking, jogging, biking, riding electric rides, or driving.

[@everettdegrasse8478]

@@ClockworkWyrm I live 2 miles from a. University also. With thousands of young people being turned loose, many for the first time in their lives, there are lots of youngins not paying much attention to rules of any kind.

[@jamiemiller7628]

Yes. Adults playing in the street like kids then calling anyone who sees their recklessness a Karen.

[@ebperformance8436]

I had a gas bike owner try to throw me off the trail because I blew by him’ it looked like he tried to race me and lost badly’ after I stop for some water, he tries to kick me off the trail. Long story short….he was thrown off the trail because gas bikes wasn’t allowed, he basically called the cops on himself….WHAT A FREAKING IDIOT! the cop looked at my bike and told me I’m fine…I road off laughing my arse off.

[@imcalledmoses]

yes i had cycle no motor catch up to me and passed me doing 35mph on gas moped..People think they own the roads and trails..Generally most people have been polite on the roads and trails... be safe...

[@Bellathebear777]

Lol, those guys are pussys. F them.

[@BillOweninOttawa]

It's littering to leave an "arse' by the side of the trail. Maybe you should go back and pick it up? Thanks!

[@thegardensentinel]

My pet elephant, Mr Twinkey, drives his sports car down the dusty country freeway with his pet snake, Mr Hey-now, draped across the windscreen covered in sun oil and sipping hot coffee whilst smoking dried herrings.

[@DFX2KX]

... Right, so assuming you blew past a *GASBIKE*? Which puts out a minimum of 1,200 watts for even the cheapest motor, you would have been operating an out-of-compliance bike (which is legally a motorcycle regardless of being electric). The difference being how obvious it is. if it was a no-motorized trail, you both should have been tossed.

[@ForbinColossus]

I wish speaking facts and law was enough! If you run into a Karen who refuses to listen, think MARK TWAIN: *"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'*

[@backyard3749]

Good stuff. I've been on an ebike for a couple of years and a lifetime motorcycle rider. I have had this kind of interaction with ignorant and hostile people my entire life. And just like the encounters in this video, the best thing you can do is always to NEVER engage these people. Do not try to talk to them, do not stop, nothing. And yes, that guy riding across a crosswalk and against a red hand was an idiot. And yes, I've had bicycle insurance the entire time I have owned my ebike due to how common theft is these days. And if you have an ebike, get a big ass lock too since weight isn't an issue as it is with a regular bicycle. And yes, those guys with the little overpowered speedy bikes zipping around in traffic are going to get ALL ebikes banned on trails, roads, parks (some already are doing that), and walkways. Those guys are assholes too.

[@ericwainwright7876]

Agreed on the try to not engage, absolutely on the Yahoos on Ebikes giving the rest of us a bad name but ditto for the roadie dinobike riders who like to Claim the Lane and ride 3 or even 4 abreast because they have rights too. When a semi trucker turns you into paste, your estate has rights but you are dead and gone. As an Ebike shop owner I often get calls from Ebike thieves looking for batteries or chargers and I ask them to set up a time with me so I can have the Police there to check the serial numbers on their Ebike, the line often goes dead immediately.

[@747fa]

Yep, and always use common sense. It's amazing how easily one can avoid time wasting, stressful confrontations.

[@tonishaddy]

I added a burger alarm to my ebike, along with a big u lock. The alarm really protects my lights, bags, etc. I was tired of them being stolen. It's fun watching startled thieves run.

[@billh.1940]

Bikes really shouldn't be on sidewalks and walkways!

[@ericwainwright7876]

@@billh.1940 Absolutely right, bicycle and electric assisted bicycles should be on multi-use trails, bike lanes and bike paths BUT when those kinds of infrastructures are not put in place to allow a cyclist to move safely, then a common sense choice must be made between risking life and limb or taking the safest possible option provided. We rent out Ebikes from our shop so people can discover what it's like to ride an electric assisted bicycle, Class 1, max speed of 24 kph, no throttle and even with these very basic Ebikes we had to restrict the riding zone to the National Monument where we operate because of close calls with motorized vehicles on public roads with bike lanes. It probably cost us $3k in rental fees and $20k in sales because our local politicians who ran on a 'green platform' didn't think that meant Ebikes and Acoustic Bikes, just TESLA cars. :( Thanks so much for supporting mom and pop businesses that are trying to do the right thing and provide a greener and more economical means of getting around. Sometimes you have to do the safest thing possible and the Karens of the World need to chill out and show some of the respect they demand from others. You have to give it to get it!

[@jeffmpvd7689]

I ride my e-bike for enjoyment, not to argue with people. If I start to have regular arguments with people I'll just find somewhere else to ride

[@Dmanrider]

I ride my e bike to work almost everyday day if i have to argue with someone bet your ass im going to because its the only way there and back

[@coloradopeoplesnews7676]

If people want to argue with me, they will remember not to do that again. I don't allow bullies to get their way.

[@Dmanrider]

@@coloradopeoplesnews7676 think about it the future is coming im seeing more and more e bikes eventually theres gunna be no one left to argue with well a lot less because karens will always exist just not as much on regular bicycles people are just mad because people on bicycles can keep up

[@747fa]

Spot on, Jeff!👍

[@gatoryak7332]

@@Dmanrider I see a future where public land managers simply close trails to all vehicles due to being destroyed by a whole new generation of ashsoles riding powerful ebikes and ripping up the terrain. To be fair, the recent trend in mountain biking has been emulating motocross and the terrain is getting destroyed already. I'd trade my modern mountain bike and trampled braided, widened trails for an old, rigid, 1980s style bike on sweet singletrack that was everywhere back then.

[@MadEvilLemon93]

Guys in a literal electric wheelchair rolls up: "I need this because I can't walk" Silly Karen: "Well you should have lead with that" What an absolute sausage

[@AislingPhoenix]

Best part is he literally lead with it, first words out of his mouth were "This is a handicap piece of equipment"

[@frankzappaspussy7362]

speed is the issue.. if someone crashed into you on a thin path.. it would suddenly be unimportant to you whether or not the person driving the vehicle was handicapped..

[@maaz322]

I would've thought a 2nd opinion could see pass the ego and rage and make a good judgement, but it seems repugnant, low quality humans flock together. One could swallow one jerk, but when you encounter more than one, all affirming each other's insane viewpoints, it's insufferable and makes my blood boil.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

She'll get Karma when she finally realises Mr Star is ......

[@rumnboats7612]

Problem is, it's looks nothing like an electric wheelchair, it's a three wheeled aggressive looking E bike, it hauls ass just like it looks like it does and takes up the entirety of the trail unable to pass safely so if can't slow down or stop strikes other bikers on a bike path.

[@willishadams]

I mountain bike and do regular trail upkeep. The argument that a 190lb 50-72v surron, is the same as a mountain bike, makes me irrationally angry at this point. They ruin trails, they're too fast for bike lanes, and they're definitely not pedestrians, but they insert themselves into whatever category is convenient at the moment.

[@myztklk3v]

5:37 you're right, that guy is riding across the crosswalk against the red "do not cross" light. They had every right to honk and give him shit.

[@pwdrhrn]

It depends. Where I live the flashing hand means don’t START crossing, it’s still a green light.

[@emuhill]

@@pwdrhrn I believe it is the equivalent of a yellow light. Basically it means to not enter if you haven't yet and to keep going if you are already in the cross walk.

[@k-dog495]

"You should've led with that" wow. The guy is OBVIOUSLY on an adaptive bike. For the record, as a mountain biker, MOST of us are extremely welcoming and friendly people, and would be generally more interested in his awesome machine than saying he shouldn't be on the trails. If he was on a motocross bike well then that's a different story, but geez people need to keep their opinions to themselves, especially when the person being attacked is minding their own business and not hurting anyone.

[@ClownPrinceOfFunny]

Not everyone you mess with out on an isolated trail is going to be as polite.

[@bruceforsman4812]

I love how she thought she really had a right to block someone, even a cop needs articulable reasonable suspicion to detain and question.

[@gratitude8182]

Thank you 😊. I am new to riding a ebike and these people scare me. I don't want to engage this while I learn. My heart goes out to the Man who couldn't walk BUT still is getting outdoors and enjoying his time, that couple needs a spanky. Have a Blessed day and thank you for all your work and information. I appreciate your time. ⭐️🧡

[@ericwainwright7876]

Just go about your business, enjoy your ride and remember that this is not about you, it's all about them.

[@gratitude8182]

@@ericwainwright7876 Thank you. I will continue to concentrate on my learning experience and continue to watch this channel and Russ is right. Again I appreciate all your teaching and insight as well as experience. Learning more everyday and exciting. 🌝👍🧡

[@ericwainwright7876]

@@gratitude8182 It's all about enjoying the ride and ignoring the haters, which thankfully there are fewer of each year as more people start to recognize and understand Ebikes. My wife and I have been riding Ebikes since 2010 when we went on an adventure to Latin America in our RV and people told us not to tow our truck because of the topes, so we bought some Ebikes, very primitive by todays standards and took those to get around the pueblo magico towns that were designed for donkey carts and not our big RV. My wife decided she needed to find something for me to do so she decided that renting Ebikes was the ticket, that led to Ebike sales and that led to me becoming an Ebike mechanic instead of an early retired master builder. Life is Crazy, Enjoy the Ride. lol

[@lyfandeth]

No, that couple needs more than a spank. They need their Achilles tendons cut, so they can learn to empathize with disabilities.

[@RoyalOakShow]

Found out recently that, when passing a bicycle, in Michigan it's legal to cross a double yellow if there is no oncoming traffic and you can do it safely.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Usually it is if the vehicle is an obstruction rather than another vehicle. You'd need to look at the law to find the exact criteria. Like passing a garbage truck which is frequently stopping.

[@FiddleSticks800]

You are also legally required to give a cyclist 3 feet. If you can’t, it’s illegal to pass them.

[@CallsignRiot]

Dude at the very end was so patient with that Karen. About halfway through the recorded interaction is when my pepper spray is coming out and you're getting sprayed for assaulting me and unlawfully detaining me. Defend yourselves.

[@MellyOmatic]

Grab me or something like that. I do carry.

[@ldhenderson95]

I was thinking about bashing her in the face with the helmet but pepper spray does sound more reasonable

[@carlholland3819]

if she was blocking him, he should have gone around her. you cant control other people, you can only control yourself, and he showed very little self control albeit slightly more than karen

[@HAL-dm1eh]

@@carlholland3819 < - found another one 🤣🤣🤣

[@hampus9347]

@@carlholland3819 are you stupid? do you have eyes??? cant you see thats exactly what he is trying to do and she is still blocking the path and/or holding him there. if it were me im sorry but her jaw gets crushed i do not care if she is a woman that behavior deserves to only eat soup for a couple of weeks.

[@drmoynihan]

A e-bike is a "motorized vehicle" in most (all) States, but there are special regulations that govern and allow them. You cannot put a motor on a bike and then call it "not a motorized vehicle" LOL 😅 In our State of Oregon, some trails do not specifically forbid e-bikes, but many trails allow bicycles but not motorized bicycles. Some trails have actually gone so far as having to explain to violators by actually posting "no e-bikes" but there are people who still violate these regulations. And the problem is the high powered heavy e-bikes/electric motorcycles really do put walking people in danger.

[@Area13ebikes]

Your terminology is incorrect. Most states and federally ebikes are NOT recognized as motor vehicles.

[@drmoynihan]

@@Area13ebikes Not saying what legal terminology is. It has a motor powering it - call it what you want. And, frankly, on our nice peaceful walking (few bikes) trails, it was a motorized e-bike (not a pedal-biker) that almost hit my walking wife. We are 67yrs & 72yrs and enjoy "walk/riding" together. It is scary that we don't jump and we don't heal as fast as we used to. We aren't looking for trouble, but entitlement that puts others at risk is more than rude.

[@tpilot_error404]

Correct. Ev or ice is both motorized. If you don't have brakes and protection according to what effect/power can be delivered you do endanger others. But ebikes feel exceptionnel guz they don't use gas or need a license. So much fun to see them struggle when the accu goes flat.

[@alexnorth2452]

It's bikes like this onyx and the saron that genuinely try to blur the line between ebike and motorcycle, and the more you try to blur the line, the more the lines will be defined

[@AgentAlmost]

And it won't be in our favor as riders of electric bicycles I'm expecting things to start getting stricter and more similar to how they are in Europe Why do we need a higher top speed a throttle and more power if Europeans can get by without them? Because we don't have the bicycle infrastructure that Europe does and have to stay safe against clueless drivers, as protected lanes are incredibly rare. Europeans I've met tend to comment that they thought their bike access sucked and then realized there's a whole new level of awful they didn't even imagine once they traveled here I mean, if the federal government wants to include actual bike infrastructure (as opposed to paint) in their future infrastructure plans then great. By all means make biking safer. But if the issues with Sur-ron and RCR style bikes reaches a head any legislative reaction will likely hurt the future of eco-friendly electric transport and make ebike riders less safe on the street.

[@alexnorth2452]

@@AgentAlmost for myself, I live in the backwoods part of Arkansas, we have no bike infrastructure and I'm ok with that, the 8 miles I travel to work is nearly a straight line and is great for biking, due to health issues however, I opted to upgrade my bike to an ebike, I put a 1000w bbshd motor on it, technically a little above legal power wise, but the only times I've ever used that power is when I'm being chased by dogs, otherwise I keep it in PA 2 and cruise between 17 to 19mph, which is plenty fast enough, thankfully so far the cars I encounter give me plenty of space, and I hug the white, or if needed just get off the road for large trucks, works pretty well here, but when I see people in videos using ebikes that are on par with motorcycles and claiming they are ebikes, I can't help but feel it will sooner or later hurt the bike community via legislation

[@alexnorth2452]

@KR I believe you are exactly right, trucks and cars should have full rights to the entire lane, personally I despise motorcyclists, atleast the ones in my area, most of them disregard the traffic laws and do whatever they want, and I get tired of having to worry about whether the idiot tailgating less than 5 feet behind me is inevitably gonna rear-end me when I have to brake for a deer or other animal (happens alot) to say the least, of the 4 times I've found motorcycles in the ditches, I have never felt any sympathy for the riders

[@mrspeigle1]

I have to agree on this, I love the ebikes and electric motorcycles, but that line needs to be sharply defined and hard lines drawn. A 50 cc moped that tops at 35mph is no different than a ebike governed same speed and both should be subject to the same rules.

[@bcamping1]

Drivers dont accept slow wehicles liked bicycles and ebikes. Bikes have to go faster or cars have to go slower. 20mph speed limit for everyone in city limits. !)

[@PaulJosephdeWerk]

with the one where the truck driver yelling "come here" the bicyclist was in the wrong. Red crosswalk hand for one, two, looks like there are 2 right turn lanes, thus he was going straight from the wrong lane.

[@DanaWeick]

He was in the cross-walk and as such was not in a lane at all, no violation. A bicyclist is not a pedestrian and is not obliged to comply with pedestrian controls signs, no violation of ARS 28-646 as it only applies to pedestrians.

[@PaulJosephdeWerk]

@@DanaWeick He started out riding in the roadway in the rightmost of 2 turn lanes, and did a slight right before entering the crosswalk to go straight. It may not be illegal, even if there is no law saying it is illegal (a loophole in the law). It is an unsafe maneuver, similar to the truck in the right turn lane deciding to go straight while the next lane over is also a turn lane. The unsafe maneuver is illegal. Since the bicycle started out riding in the road he is supposed to obeying all traffic laws. I may have put it in the gray area had he started out on the sidewalk, but he didn't.

[@Altema22]

That last one was painful to watch, though I would have pulled out my phone and called the police. I don't have many encounters with karens, though there was one guy who said something as I passed his house, and I stopped to have a conversation. Turns out his problem was other kinds of bike riding past his house at 30mph on the sidewalk, and even though I was doing my usual 12mph-ish for sidewalks, he thought I was one of them. Sidewalks are 100% legal for bicycles and class 1 or 2 e-bikes in our state, and with a very un-friendly infrastructure for bikes here, you often don't have a choice. My quick answer to anyone who calls out "Non-motorized vehicles!" is to just tap the handlebars and say "Exempt", and keep on riding. If someone is ignorant, you really don't want to engage them anyways. But, there is a balance. If you are going full send on mixed use trails and ignoring common sense, then people will come against you, and they will be right. I was recently on a group ride where a police vehicle passed us driving on the wrong side of the road, pulled in front of the group, and hit his brakes. Very stupid and dangerous of the officer. He ordered us to ride to an area up the road, and spent 15 minutes on the phone with his supervisor trying to find something to charge us with. He couldn't, so he checked every bike and found the one Sur Ron without pedals, and gave him a written warning because "I have to find something to justify my stopping you". Yes, that's what the officer said. Never mind we were on a public road which was open to motorized and non-motorized vehicles, and riding in an orderly fashion below the speed limit. It pains me that this word continues to grow more divided and hostile and selfish as the days go by.

[@dudeonbike800]

Yes, depends where you are. In CA, bicycles on sidewalks are generally prohibited by anyone over 12 years old. But it's up to the municipality if they want to amend this. Some cities will REQUIRE bicycle riding on some busy streets. But in general, children are allowed to ride bikes on sidewalks, for obvious reasons.

[@LawDawg717]

If you call the police instead bitch slappin' that woman, you're the Karen.

[@dbcooper69]

Last one was painful. If you can't get away from an old Karen, time to park it and walk.

[@joepeanut6827]

HUMMMMM There bikes were towed?? I'm wondering why the bikes were not put in the back of a pickup truck, seems kind of silly to call a wrecker for bicycle's

[@paullake1114]

Pepper Spray was made for for situations like the last video

[@davemurphy2020]

If it has a motor on it it’s not a bicycle, if it’s got pedals too it’s a moped , not a bicycle. Tax , insurance and licence category will be here soon. Looking forward to the two wheeled land yacht.

[@garystackhouse5787]

My ONLY problem with e-bikes OR bicycles is when riders want to be treated as regular vehicles, but don't follow the rules for vehicles (ie; acting like a pedestrian OR a vehicle at different times depending on which is most convenient at the time.... for instance, at a light, like at 10:12)

[@richardh1764]

In the UK an Ebike that can run by throttle it classed as a motorised vehicle, it has to be pedal assist only to be a cycle.

[@jonathandavis-po6js]

Here, it depends on how powerful it is, over 20 ccs falls under motorcycle laws

[@wrusst]

​@@jonathandavis-po6js no shot he's going that fast on a 250w in the UK which is the limit here .

[@krozareq]

Texas has 3 classes of them. C1: 20mph (32km/h) max, assistive pedaling. C2: 20mph max, no assistive pedaling required. C3: 28mph max, assistive pedaling. C1 and C2 have no age requirements. C3 must be 15-years or older. Helmets required if

[@JohnSmith-tz4on]

Well congratulations Karen in the UK you're right here you're an asshole

[@TheBirdboy84]

thats why nobody cares about the UK

[@PhilWare1]

I know each country has different laws, but I find it quite remarkable that some of these bikes are basically electric motorbikes. In the UK an E-Bike has to be pedal-assist and have a maximum power output of 250 watts. Anything more powerful/non pedal assist would require the correct driving license endorsement etc

[@durschfalltv7505]

It makes no sense. Loicenses are shit anyway. There should be a dedicated ebike license. Drive your ebike like a motorbike on the road. And like a bicycle on cycling paths. Meaning you drive at a normal speed that makes sense. No strict speed limit but if there is a crossing or you see pedestrainas you slow down to walking speed. A allysway where people can jump around the corner you slow down to like 15kmh. Is it so hard to have common sense?

[@tunnelsnake627]

Good thing 1776 happened

[@chistinelane]

then the UK sucks and we shouldn't follow them.

[@j.k8833]

​@tunnelsnake627 Amen brother🦅🇺🇸

[@nyk0fthym3]

Good thing I'm in Australia. Queensland to be exact.

[@ThatSB]

First guy is right. They need to change the laws to keep the electric powered bikes under the same laws as motorcycles. It is what they are

[@toddwatkins7943]

I would love to listen to this guy read a book to me for the nights I can’t fall asleeep. The voice is so calming and relaxing

[@sshultz8121]

Drivers of cars and trucks can be just as aggressive to other vehicle drivers. Road rage overall seems to have increased lately. Or else it just hits the airwaves more frequently.

[@NWforager]

yep , more people on their phones , not actualy knowing the road rules . MOre reason to cycle Safer that Ever yall ⚠

[@dawudyelton2177]

karen in a car...yeah, all goes back to that "i won't be disrespected!" even if u don't know who i am. that real demon, e-g-o... may we all not fall in his trap

[@reeksreeks3017]

Damn a gangster would’ve punched the last Karen’s lights out and stole her dog.

[@Paul-dv4dr]

Here in UK, people are angry. I'm not sure exactly what they're all angry about, but it's palpable. Everyone seems on the verge of violence. All the time. What is going on?

[@barrybb5409]

Our governments have created a condition of poverty and discomfort and forced everyone to take a series of shots that contained bad vaccines and experimental delivery methods. We watch as the government shoves their boot up our ass and call it democracy while they clean our savings out and let criminals run free.

[@mixflip]

I just plow through people that try to make me crash. Just kidding. I just ride around them and leave them standing there yelling like a crazy person.

[@ericwainwright7876]

There's a lot more crazy people out there than there used to be, it's as if there was a global pandemic and some of the people are still in a fog, some of them are driving around in cars, so be careful and ride safe.

[@OOTurok]

As a mountain biker... I would support you, in your effort to just plow through any & all Karens. Perhaps they sould make cattle catchers for E-bikes, specifically for that purpose.

[@galacticgalaxyonezerone7235]

Got to clean my bike plow every ride now… jk

[@billh.1940]

If you have a loud horn, sneak up behind them, blast the horn, watch them jump! Great fun!

[@ericwainwright7876]

@@billh.1940 How to win friends and influence people. lol

[@OslerWannabe]

There is another way of dealing with Karens and -- what? Kyles? -- which I've used for 40 years to great effect. It requres iron self-control, but always leaves the Karen bewildered and baffled. When confronted with one of these enraged busybodies, simply face her/him squarely, and stare into her/his eyes as though you do not understand whichever language she/he is speaking. Over time I found that I could punctuate my passivity with a very subtle inclination of the head with slight elevation of one eyebrow, but nothing more. Do not flinch or smirk, just stare, and stare for as long as it takes for her/him to wither up and go away. It carries the advantage that you give her/him no pretext to physically attack. This technique is especially good if you have a young child with you. I did this about 25 years ago when a slightly drunk and sour-looking Karen was yelling at my 7 year old son for running around a motel parking lot letting off steam after a long car ride. I talked with him afterward about the value of always maintaining self-control and decorum, and now, at the age of 33, he is a supremely calm and confident man.

[@RXP91]

I do something similar but say "NO ENGLISSH" in a fake accent. Cause I'm brown it enrages them even more and they typically leave

[@tinaperez9756]

running around a motel parking lot? Sounds dangerous. He was commenting such.

[@BadBrad119]

I used to ride bicycles everywhere and never felt safe on the road, and would get mouthed at for using empty side walks at slow speeds. People just don't want you to bike.. but at the same time bikers are very unpredictable on the road even motorcyclists at high speeds. Sometimes I don't even see them until they are in front of me, passing me with oh sh** amounts of space between us

[@Jezza_C_WT]

@vibratingstring The funny thing is how people complain about cyclists "hogging" the road, yet it's done on purpose so the cyclist don't get driven off the road by cars pushing past them when it's unsafe, which is far more likely to happen when a cyclist is hugging the roadside. By taking up more space on the road cars have to pick safer times to pass without wrecking. In my country a bicycle is considered traffic anyway so they have just as much right to use the road as any other vehicle.

[@lilgumbo681]

​@@Jezza_C_WT yeah but in half of these videos its in america so all these idiots are riding a bike on the road which you cant do so tbh none of those people were karens

[@moteroargentino7944]

@vibratingstring That also increases the chances they might get angry at you, or somebody fails to predict your path and accidentally runs you over. And I say that as a biker. Very VERY few people are willing to commit vehicular manslaughter, specially if you don't provoke them. They just have their little egos too inflated. Some might pass close to you but it's a bluff, in which case you WANT to be predictable so they don't actually hit you. If they REALLY want you dead, believe me, no amount of "unpredictability" is going to stop them from ramming you.

[@carlholland3819]

bicycles are too fast for the sidewalk. they endanger people that are walking esp with dogs or kids when they fly up from behind with little to no warning

[@lilgumbo681]

@@carlholland3819 if your planning to ride a ebike on a road your not gonna have people on the sidewalk even if there is people on the sidewalk thats just a you problem

[@HarveyMushman888]

I live in an area with a lot of 4 way stop intersections and the vast majority of E-bikes blow right through these just like the vast majority of bicycles do.....

[@grapefruitsimmons]

Because Ebike riders suuuck lol those people like to flipflop between it being a real vehicle and not being real when it benefits them

[@DecimatorPrime]

And when they catch death from a T-bone crash they will serve to be a lesson in how not to operate at a 4 way intersection.

[@a64738]

When I ride my e-bike or bicycle I ride it like I ride my motorcycle and follow motorcycle rules. Doing it any different will get you killed as bending the rules and think you can just ignore the rules and randomly switch between pedastrian and motocyle rules is not safe at all ... Aslo even if it might be legal to do things in traffic on a bicyle e-bike that you can not do with a motorcycle does not mean it is safe, it does not matter that what you did was legal when you are DEAD or in a wheelchair....

[@misterbulger]

Good reason to stop and look if you drive a car

[@D.A.OhK.]

Yep. The freedom of a bike lends to some risky, out-of-control behavior. Then you put bad riders on ebikes going twice as fast as they should, leading to some bad accidents on the road AND on bike paths, which often double as pedestrian pathways.

[@bullcrap9409]

Most e-bikes are mopeds w pedals stuck on to try and avoid regulation. They’re a menace in bike lanes, where in many jurisdictions they aren’t allowed

[@danielmiller6723]

That's bull crap. Mopeds are mopeds. E bike is special

[@Gnarlysheeen]

Easy way to deal with people like that is to completely ignore them. And smile. Then continue having fun

[@arnoldreiter435]

some of this is brought on by the e bike riders changing from road to sidewalks. where i live if you are on AMY bike you have the rights and responsibility's of a vehicle which means you are not suppose to be on the sidewalks. Drivers get stressed when they have to anticipate where you are going to cross an intersection so dont be surprised when you get honked at running a bike(e or pedaled) thru a crosswalk. I love riding my ebike but when riders blur the lines by acting like a car at one point and then a pedestrian a moment later it will cause friction. Do it to much and people will ask for and get rules to limit us even more. There will always be karens lets just not give them anything legitimate to go on about

[@govinda102000]

Yep. the e bikers want the best of both worlds.

[@946towguy2]

@@sam19270 In California, it is only if local ordinance specifically allows it.

[@braydenhancock3907]

Imagine having an encounter with a rude person and suddenly you have a 2000$ e-bike sent to your door 😂

[@MoparDan]

What the Hell is this comment supposed to mean!

[@Ignantfoosoulfood]

Yeah these dense mental midget KZbin video making clowns always give ebike to people that already have them. There's people out here that can't even get to the store to get food. Give them a bike instead but common thing with these bike Channel

[@MarioGoatse]

@@MoparDanIt means exactly what it says. At the start of the video the host of this channel says that he wants to send the guy one of his bikes.

[@matthewmiller2219]

What the f*** are you talking about

[@prophetzarquon1922]

I think the Blackbird costs quite a bit _more_ than $2000? It pays to be polite!?

[@MrPikkoz]

Nothing justifies the reaction of the driver in the second video BUT ! the e-bike , brushed a column of cars at 30+mph in front of a roadworks with two way traffic on a single lane, enforced by temporary traffic lights , he never gave a hint of stopping pedalling or slowing down , that was downright reckless (and enjoyed the thrill of it ) putting himself and others in danger .Passing vehicles stopped in lane is legal only when it's safe to do so and i really can't see of any law enforcer would see that as "safe" , especially on a e-bike that even seems illegal over there ( in UK e-bikes can go up to 15.5mph or 250w , above that you have L1e-B "mopeds" that needs to be registered, taxed, insured ,tested and you need to wear an helmet) .

[@craigalexander9421]

And the car that passed him did not seem to have been that close. The rider over reacted I reckon

[@doctor567]

Thanks for pulling these together. As an ebike enthusiast for 10 years now, it's been really interesting (albeit unfortunate) to watch tensions grow along with ebike adoption. I like the concept of a YT channel bringing visibility to these issues. Could be a good podcast topic as well. Ebikes are here to stay and people need to learn on both sides so we can all adapt safely.

[@nomasker1360]

Now you know what dirtbikers put up with , in the middle of nowhere

[@gpro3680]

Just got an e-bike and hope I don’t come across these people. I just use the e-assist for pedaling so probably won’t have an issue. Just will throttle only when nobody around.

[@0U81TO]

Yeah...I just bought an e-bike as a Christmas gift to myself a week ago and I'm hoping not to come across these people either. Like you, I'll use the e-assist for pedaling and throttle when on one is around for miles 🙃Good luck to us huh!! But in a nutshell people whom don't have the spirit of Christ in them are going to act like Karens...

[@ligametis]

Second video was pretty reckless driving. Also imagine if everyone acted like that cyclist.

[@MrEddiecos]

the rider who claims "i've got right of way" is out of line for sure, if your riding a bike on a pedestrian crossing you are not a pedestrian and are a motorist, unless the crossing permits it. also it's also illegal to cross if the lights indicate " do not cross/ don't walk" etc. the start of that clip also looks like he went from the line of traffic to the crossing which is also illegal (contra indication to the markings of the lane).

[@DanaWeick]

That was in Arizona and riding a bicycle in a cross-walk is not unlawful in Arizona. I don't advise it but is isn't unlawful

[@shoutatthesky]

That guy was so in the wrong it's not funny!

[@BillOweninOttawa]

Yeah, he was an asshole and idiot. The kind that makes it hard for us all.

[@juhakivimaki94]

in my opinion this video shows why people dislike e bikers.everything is ¨technically¨ this and ¨technically¨ that.its a vehicle when convenient and when you face some responsibilities of a vehicle, it becomes a bike again

[@Leo99929]

In the UK there's a 250W limit, pedal assist only, and 15.5mph assist speed limit, without licence and registration. I'm not entirely convinced he was completely legal. Looks like he was using a throttle?

[@Cheepchipsable]

Especially if it has an electric motor it's not motorised? Many places have definitions in the laws.

[@Leo99929]

@@Cheepchipsable If having an electric motor is legally not classed as "motorised" then I fear I may have lost what little respect I had left for legislators...

[@neroshadow9524]

The UK laws are gay.

[@davidfaustino4476]

It's 100% not legal. Even in the US.

[@TheDigger06]

​​@@neroshadow9524not really, they are often seen speeding on pavements,running red lights and speeding in towns,,if they stuck to laws then maybe..its not just england,,,chinas banned em completly in some citys its that bad

[@thefish5861]

I ride an ebike, and I think we have a responsibility to be careful around other people, especially on bike paths. My bike with me on it, is basically 300 pounds of mass rolling down the path. Slow way down when approaching or passing others. I can see why other people are a little annoyed with these things.

[@randyewing4566]

I'm 280 so me on a regular mountain bike is basically 300 pounds of mass rolling down the path 🤣 We all have a responsibility to make sure our actions aren't endangering others but some people want to feel endangered so they can complain.

[@BrianGon89]

This should be the attitude everyone has here. Unfortunately this seems like an ebike echo chamber channel. Honestly these things are motorized bikes masquerading as pedal bikes, the laws are really relaxed when these happen to be throttled by pedals and not a lever. Until regulations catch up it's in all riders interests to keep passing speeds respectful and remain visible. Have to remember we are pattern-trained to expect a bike shaped object to only move a certain speed, your ebike passing ass is gonna be a highly invisible object to most people who clock you from a distance.

[@dugldoo]

I like your attitude! And I like e-bikes, especially for older people and folks with limitations. But on the bike/walk paths I run across far more e-bike jerks than Karens. My town's great shared paths are full of newbie e-bikers without good bike handling skills on 750+ watt heavy e-fat bikes riding 25+ mph without consideration for others. They're dangerous for all and give e-bikes a bad name.

[@seandepagnier]

@@randyewing4566 but you cant pedal 28mph for long. That is a big difference: 7 times the power.

[@jamesconner3437]

​@@dugldoo here in Chicago there are more racer bikes speeding by with " On your left!" about a half second before they are by you. E bike seniors (I'm 77) are much more polite. Try biking on Lake Shore....haha.

[@joshuarebennack68]

I found this channel via your UBCO review. This video popped up as recommended one and I wanted to add some... discussion here. In the USA, e-bikes, especially e-MTBs, have vastly different access abilities on public land vs. on roads. There is a fundamental difference between land managed (or owned) by a transportation entity (DOT, county road, city public works) and one managed (of owned) by a recreation entity (DNR/DCR, county parks, city parks). This can result in a lot of issues for those that bring e-bikes (and especially e-MTBs) onto trails. What doesn't help is e-bike advocates pushing the idea that the federal definitions of an e-bike mean that they can go anywhere a 100% human powered bike can. In fact, many states (MA being one) and many municipalities ban motorized (yes, e-bikes have a motor) traffic of any kind on non-transportation defined trails and roadways. Typically, this includes natural surface singletrack, some wider natural surface trails and, in a few instances, paved trails. But the larger point here is that due to the USA's federated system and land management divisions, a person can't say, "Federal statue is this, so that means this or that is legal." Understanding local laws (which, again, can be different one town or property to the next) is important for e-bike riders. Most of the people yelling at e-bike riders you show in this video are jackwagons, true, but when to comes to e-bikes on recreational trails, they may not be wrong as far legality. In other videos you've mentioned that "e-bikes are allowed anywhere a normal bike is allowed" and that is only true of transportation defined roadways. Get off those onto recreational trails and the legality gets very complicated very fast. As an example of this, I live in a state with very clear, fairly liberal, e-bike rules with most land managers following the state guidance. But if my trail club got a class 2 or class 3 or that UBCO for trail work/tool carrying, we would have to go to every land manager and get a special allowance. My plea to all e-bike advocates, owners, curious individuals is this: understand the instant you cross off the right-of-way line of a road, you may not have legal access. Do your research and don't assume anything. If you can't find the information online, call or email that land manager and ask.

[@DFX2KX]

Bingo. Motor's a Motor, and an E-bike will tear up a trail just as easily as a gasbike will. Local city doesn' allow E-bikes on the gravel trails for that reason. But we can still use bike lanes (and even sidewalks provided we're not jerks about it).

[@biketothetop]

@@DFX2KX non-sense spoken here about tearing up a trail... a Class 1 (pedal assist, no throttle) won't do that.

[@DFX2KX]

@@biketothetop most Ebikes that are sold in the states are class 2 and 3. And most class 1's can have a throttle plugged in and deregulated with a button combo on the display. My TSDZ2 conversion kit's typical example

[@NATESOR]

I get that you're explaining what *is* not necessarily what *should be*. But the idea that a 500w motor that helps me get up the hill at 8 mph is the same thing as a 1000cc dirt bike is absolutely ridiculous. I think it is much more useful to frame the discussion of class 1-3 ebikes as regular bikes. Because that's how they are used. This "but it has a motor on it!" thing is asinine.

[@DFX2KX]

@@NATESOR with regard to effects on the trail, that distinction is valid. up to a point, a class 2 and 3 ebike can put down 1hp and have throttles. The issue comes with telling said ebikes apart from each other. other than the multi-KW Hub motors and absolutely huge mid drives (like the 3kw Cyclones) it's pretty hard to tell them apart. So you're going to get blamed regardless if folks with bikes like mine (a class 3) use the trail and dig ruts in it because thrumb down go brrr.

[@rarelibra]

0:27 - "an e-bike is not considered a motorized vehicle" ... that depends on the state.

[@t3073-b4i]

Class 1 & 2 ebikes are allowed almost everywhere regular bikes are. Maybe there's an exception or two out there, but I travel around the country and haven't run into that, and I always look up the laws before I ride. What state bans them outright?

[@rarelibra]

@@t3073-b4i who said the word "ban"?

[@shellihurd2090]

I’m recovering from surgery due to being pushed off the trail by a man. I’m a 5’2” tall female with an ebike. I was riding in Golden, CO on a multi use trail. A guy pushed me off the trail and into the rocks because he didn’t like me riding an ebike. I ended up basically destroying my right ankle (3 torn ligaments and 3 torn tendons including the Achilles and 2 fractures). The guy took off on his regular bike laughing at me as I lay there screaming in pain and bloody. I had surgery in June and still recovering. People suck!!!

[@5DNRG]

OMG!! I ride Golden on my ebike too...this is scary. The guy who did that is a criminal and needs to be found and brought to court.

[@damnbrosky]

your story makes me sure that you have fight people that want hurt you, not goes around, I will never let them do anything like that on my watch, if something like that will happen to me or people near I promise that bully will finish in hospital no matter what, just coz your story will stay with me. Fill so sorry for you and hope you will get beter soon and back on bike with full power and positive energy.

[@jeffmpvd7689]

Shelli - I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this, sorry it happened to you! There are a lot of angry people out there, our society is unhealthy. Riding a bike should be a joyful experience.

[@ericwainwright7876]

That's so horrible and I am so sorry that you have had to suffer from this attack from an idiot. I understand what it is like to be physically attacked but that asshole should be charged for assault.

[@trevorroeder117]

Invest in a GoPro for future altercations.

[@jonabub]

We used to have similar altercations in Germany when we first introduced ebikes and bicycle infrastructure, but everybody calmed down by now and I feel we're way ahead but you're doing great and going in the right direction.

[@The4valanche]

The problem in Germany is seniors that couldn't hold a normal bike getting on an E-Bike and doing 40kmh down a walkway. They couldn't emergency brake if they tried, have bad eye sight, and expect you to jump into the bushes so they don't need to slow down. It's quite the shit show. Some day someone will get hurt when I don't hurl myself out of the way and instead stand still to protect my dog.

[@chrisdef15]

I deal with the same shit here. It’s not really old guys it’s guys who think they are in nitro circus. Flat out through crowds of people. I’m getting to the point of taking a hit just for a big insurance/law suit payout. And the fun of watching them eat shit when they hit me.

[@jonabub]

@@chrisdef15 It dialed down in no time around here. And we also don't have this culture of huge payouts from insurances. Rather we have a sort of obsession to debate every last detail of traffic rule reforms. So I guess it's the latter that quickly improved the issues. And I hope you stay healthy rather than collecting payouts ;).

[@TheRenegadeStarr]

That’s how it was in Chicago. The first summer ppl complained a lot but I was already ahead of the wave with my e-longboard then the city slowly rolled them out. 1-2 years later and like you said ppl have calmed down and are more self aware. Also the public’s riding skills are better too.

[@bojangles2492]

​@@jonabub debating new rules? What a novel idea. Here in Oz we just get what we are given by our authoritarian government and people suck it up, I must say I loved the attitude of Germans when I visited recently, fantastic place.

[@foggy561]

I ride everyday and have only had 2 encounters with "Karens". Oddly enough they both threw rocks at me for laughing at them for trying to stop me. Since I started wearing a Gopro I haven't had any issues for some reason

[@MidwestMTBAdventures]

Yeah I rock an insta360 x3 no one fucks with me. Right after you say I have this all on tape. All 360 around me. Oh so I'm on tape. Yes, yes you are! :) Had a lady cut me off in the road and I tapped the side of her car to say. Hey Im fucking here pay attention. She was all about calling the cops until I said. You go right ahead and do that. I have you going into the bike lane, cutting me off and then coming so close to me that you almost hit me. She got in her car and left fast...haha.

[@leplane_]

Man, come to South America. Lots of bike infrastructure that rivals that of Europe. People are much more kinder and most will apologize if they make a traffic mistake. Lived in the states and glad I left. I miss the old US. This isn't America the Great, anymore. I don't know what it is.

[@leplane_]

@BOGDAN SERBAN Seems like you haven't traveled enough. Lots of American expats in my region and I don't have to deal with stray bullets or random Karens like in the states. Feel safer here than there 😂

[@gerardflynn7382]

​@BOGDAN SERBAN The kidnapping thing is a fairy tale that you have been told, it doesn't actually happen.

[@marwerno]

@@leplane_ Which parts of South America are you talking about? It is a BIG place for such a statement 🙂

[@tettazwo9865]

I am a happy user of three e bikes and frequently ashamed of how recklessly fellow e bikers conduct themselves. Disturbing the peace in the woods is just uncalled for!

[@Leon-gq6sf]

Even just regular bicycle users themselves think the rules of the road don't aply to them and when those people get ahold of ebikes they make those who actually follow the rules look bad and people want to ban ebikes because of irresponsible riders, yet don't seem to consider even on a regular bicycle the same people would still NOT follow the rules.

[@tettazwo9865]

@@Leon-gq6sf I agree with you! In my home town, I am known as the weird bicyclist who stops at stop signs.

[@Leon-gq6sf]

@tettazwo9865 imagine being seen as weird for being safe by following rules and laws 😂 then people wonder why so many accidents happen regarding bicycles. Motorcycle drivers are just as bad swerving in and out of lanes and cutting through traffic

[@j0epark1]

Honestly, some of these bicyclists seem entitled as well. They’re riding recklessly on roads meant to have vehicles that require a license and registration so I can understand the frustration of the drivers. If you’re going to use roads with cars, be respectful of each other and don’t ride like an ass.

[@RandomVidz9_]

Bikes are allowed on the road

[@NWforager]

@@RandomVidz9_ yes , and we must follow local laws .

[@electricbikeretrovintage]

That's the problem ignorant have. Roads don't belong to one type of vehicle and individual. You have to share it 2ith other user without hierarchy. It's not yours. I repeat you have to share it with others. This is the slogan on many countries, province, state because it's a big problem. Bike can use roads as you in your vehicle.

[@ryanwebb6356]

Cyclists have recently been given More legal protection in the UK, basically making motorists responsible for ensuring the cyclist is protected and giving bicycles and ebikes a "vulnerable road user" status. Endangering a cyclist is now a legal offense with fines and licence points applicable. With up to 6 points for an offence, with a driving ban at 9...

[@barrybogart5436]

@@ryanwebb6356 That's excellent. And I am sure, overdue.

[@hiwayman1153]

Those E-bike can go as fast as a car. They shouldn't be allowed on bike paths

[@benkelly7499]

It’s so sad to see how some people treat people with conditions :(

[@benkelly7499]

@bastiat no, you obviously didnt understand my point dude. Don’t treat people with conditions like shit. Plain and simple. You don’t need to treat them specially, but you shouldn’t berate them like half these videos. Why don’t I just expand it to everyone; don’t treat anyone like shit because of what you think. Just mind your own business and move on with your life

[@clicheguevara5282]

@bastiat Huh? No one here was "asking for special treatment". Every single one of these people just wanted to be left alone and not be harassed by ignorant, entitled people. Is that "special treatment"? Even the ONE who just said "I don't think motorized bikes are allowed here" should have kept her mouth shut if she didn't actually know what she was talking about. These cyclists were well within their legal right to be where they were and these idiots were harassing them for it. ..and the KZbinr was very honest and objective about each one of these situations. He even said he could see both sides of one of them. "people act like wheel chairs make you incapable of politeness" Oh, really? Which one of these disabled people was being impolite or demanding special treatment? I'll wait.. Your comment was dumb af dude. It has no relevance to the video we all just watched.

[@Wholesome_Fries]

They should've led with that

[@meleardil]

These are the people who "report" their neighbour to the "officials" because they are "braking the law" by hiding jews in their basement. REMEMBER THAT. It is a minor inconvinience only when the law is on your side. But when it is on their side, they are the evil incarnate.

[@philiprohs]

“You should have led with that “ should be a meme for Karens

[@albundy6284]

Just because you use an ounce of energy to spin your pedal doesn't mean it is an ebike, let's be honest, these are motorcycles doing their best to pretend to be bikes so they can get on pedestrian pathways.

[@peppermintpig974]

5:26 I figured this one out. The right two lanes were for turning and the far left for going straight. The ebike rider was in the far right and went straight. Rider was in the wrong lane for his action. IF they felt unsafe navigating the intersection they should have dismounted and used the crosswalk when permitted, otherwise they should have moved two lanes over.

[@CarlCrisp]

Yeah that’s something I see near the beach a lot. Some people like to go ‘vehicle rules, pedestrian rules, vehicle rules’ when it suits them. Gotta pick one and stick with it.

[@Bobylein1337]

@@CarlCrisp It's fine to switch, just need to dismount

[@peppermintpig974]

@@CarlCrisp Exactly. Be predictable, and look before transitioning.

[@sirlancegeo]

That is a common problem when there are no bike lanes or they are not well thought out.

[@pidiabloo]

Also it's hard to see the cross walk has the red hand . Not sure if the law at that location but in my area a red hand us the same as a red light and if a cop wants he could give a ticket for that

[@hzuiel]

Watching stuff like this makes me want to break out in cold sweats. I don't do well with confrontational douchebags. I am glad that this sort of behavior is rare here, occasionally people around here get a little weird and act a tiny bit road ragey, but not like get out of your car or pull up next to one another and scream angry.

[@mikeg6633]

Personally, I haven't had any issues riding my ebike. I think this is very rare.

[@joenic4303]

Yeah. Bad judgment due to fatigue, stress, bad day, and we could end up in jail or fined or worse. It's a miracle I haven't run into problems. My brother had a lady punch him in the head whike sitting in his car without provocation because she didn't like he was blond or driving slow and flagged him down. That was back in 2001.

[@jimbarnes6979]

first time I have come across any of your videos. I like what you do here. You certainly show it from the riders point of view, but you also bring up the law and if they should have dismounted or not. Or perhaps going to fast and stuff like that. Nicely done. Thumbs up.

[@HopyHop1]

I don't know what the rules are about e-bikes in all situations, but an electric motor is a motor.

[@mind-numbingtasks1575]

It all depends on your local city ordinances doesn't it? Where I am it has to be a class 2 bike and max speed setting not above 20 MPH in order to have the same legal rights as regular bicycles. As an avid e-bike rider, I try extra hard to be considerate on pedestrian trails and use my peddles often when passing. I don't travel in lanes with auto traffic and I think doing so inevitably leads to confrontations.

[@burnone716]

It's crazy how many of these Karens have never run in to the wrong person.. lessons get learned fast if you act up like that against someone having a bad day allready

[@YoungDolphh]

All of you dorks think that you're the "wrong one" 😂

[@MellyOmatic]

Wish I could carry a folding chair with me ;-)

[@romant1127]

As a cyclist I absolutely fear anything with "e-" in the name. People who ride these vehicles often have little to no understanding of traffic laws, they also think that going over 40 kph on a pedestrian sidewalk is a perfectly normal way to drive and that making sounds to warn people around them is somehow uncool. I don't care if the unfortunate e-thrill-seeker turns himself into thin paste, but it certainly concerns me when someone can fly into me at 40 kph or more on a supposedly safe pedestrian sidewalk. I really wish that lazy law turned it's eyes on them for I love being alive, you know. Giving e-bikes that can go over 60+ kph the same treatment that regular bicycles and pedestrians have *will* lead to tragedies and it's just plain stupid.

[@michigandogman3060]

I’m a purest and am not at all thrilled with the e bike craze, I do not agree with them on dirt bicycle trails. It appears that a a lot of the e bikers are not very responsible 🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m going to keep pushing pedals.

[@jeepdude67]

An ebike with a motor that drives the rear wheel is a motorized vehicle. Most bike paths do not allow motorized vehicles. A pedal assist ebike is not the same as a motor driven cycle and not capable of the speeds attainable on the rear wheel drive electric motorcycle with a throttle.

[@chameleonpogono]

I don't know about everywhere in the U.S., but where I'm at, e-bikes are considered motorized vehicles. So, they are not allowed on some trails. More trails are opening up to them, though. Just depends on the city/town.

[@user-tp7zb7ej2s]

Yeah, harassement's no good, but I can't blame people for thinking they were considered motor vehicles. I ride ebikes and even I would've assumed the law saw them as motorized vehicles. I mean they have a motor, right? Legally considering them the same as MTBs is stupid imo. I feel like eventually they'll just need their own distinction. It doesn't make sense to views them as analog bikes or motor vehicles. I can think of some trails a total motor ban would make sense, and plenty where ebikes wouldn't pose a problem at all. Or maybe certain trails could be off limits to certain classes of ebikes or be throttle free? Shoehorning them into existing regulations is bound to cause confusion.

[@m9078jk3]

In my state (Washington in the pacific northwest) electric bikes are not classed as motor vehicles if the electric motor is less than 750 watts. Above 750 watts in power they are not legal on city streets or county roads . Class 2 speeds under 20 mph are permitted on my local bike trails but motor vehicles (like gasoline or diesel internal combustion engine ones ) are prohibited. However unless one travels at high rates of speed or erratically attracts unwanted law enforcement attention riding an ebike with electric motors above 750 watts likely wouldn't be noticed unless it appears like a motorcycle style one.

[@moteroargentino7944]

That's why we gotta look up the local laws and make sure we're on the clear. And it doesn't hurt to have a copy to show any potential Karen (on the small chance they are just misinformed and not blindly hating).

[@sunriseshell]

Guy in video: "...You're in a Honda Ridgeline". Our host: "It's like the 'Male Karen' of pickup trucks". BEST LINE EVER!!!

[@LetArtsLive]

OMG how can they tell that guy not to ride when he can't walk? In the USA there is a law under disability Ada we can ride places others can't.!

[@jadviento8815]

Literally ride ANYWHERE. Also who are they to approach anyone directly. If this was a state or national park you notify a ranger. Dude really asked "show me the rules that day you can ride that here" okay dude then what you gonna arrest me? And they should recognize a recumbent cycle or vehicle. Noone rides them just because.... They are way too expensive. People with limitations and disabilities do usually because they do not have a choice. People that don't pay attention. He led with "this is a handicap vehicle. And that dude said "anddddd" makes me so mad

[@bobair2]

All should ride ,not just some or all shall not.

[@imcalledmoses]

yes, very arrogant people, put a jenks on themselves , they could have a accident and be crippled up.. people like that are just disrespecting themselves...

[@christopherbedford9897]

@@jadviento8815 ..and then later the wife said "you should have led with that". Duh, Karen, what does "disability" mean then?

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

If someone knows who that toxic couple is, please share their contact info.

[@anthroxu]

Anyone who has cycled on a bike path with kids and had an idiot on an ebike race past them knows that this is a tremendous safety issue, and has little to do with being a Karen. To be clear, I'm talking about the difference between ebikes, which are a motorized vehicle, and peddle assisted bikes, in which the motor only assists you when peddling. I don't think I have ever encountered a cyclist being outrageous who was on a peddle assisted bike. To be clear, excessive speeds by spandex wearing morons, as in the first example in this video, is just as big of a safety issue. I'd yell at her to slow down too. But the affordance to go 20mph+ without pedaling means you get moronic teens whipping around blind corners and weaving. Every time I'm commuting with my kids I worry about this. I just hate that as an active transport user, I now have to worry about unsafe vehicles in what used to be the only safe place to have my kids bike. To be clear, cycling has been my family's ONLY means of transportation for nearly a decade. I'm not talking about just pleasure riding. I'm talking about taking my kids to school or to the shops. I should be able to do that, and use the paths my council built for this purpose, without worrying about motorized vehicles running us over or off the path.

[@emoAnarchist]

physically preventing someone from getting to a doctors appointment is a life threatening action. knocking her out would be self defense

[@TrueMohax]

It depends. The court would try to balance if it was an immediate danger vs an inconvenience. The woman was definitely in the wrong and there is potential grounds for a lawsuit.

[@marcuscreed3903]

Look, unless the dude is shot or bleeding from a stab wound. That excuse isn't going to work. Though he definitely should have just pushed through her even if he had to drag her a bit.

[@emoAnarchist]

@@marcuscreed3903 you don't know the person's medical history. if i was prevented from getting to a dialysis appointment it would have very severe, possibly lethal consequences

[@marcuscreed3903]

@@emoAnarchist Dude, the chances of 5 or 10 minutes late being the deciding factor between life or death are not likely at all in this scenario. The lady is a stupid ass but you're saying something ridiculous for hyperboles sake. If you're not bleeding or in an ambulance. There's a good chance 5 or 10 minutes of a blithering woman is not going to mean your death.

[@EtherFox]

@@emoAnarchist more likely they're going to a dilation

[@ChrisHarmon1]

"You should've led with that". Yeah, because I enjoy being handicapped so much I want it to be the topic I start every conversation with. I went fishing with my dad at a park and the ranger came around saying "you cant ride bikes here". Due to having only one knee/needing crutches to walk it's easier for me to use my one good leg to sit on a bike(not electric) and hold it up pedaling in low gear vs walking on crutches in soft dirt. I tried to explain this but the guy basically said that bikes might scare the horses.