Eboni K. Williams Defends Her Comments About Mediocrity on The Breakfast Club

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[@jasminebanks1166]

The beige rage meter TOOK ME OUT 😂😂😂

[@aceboogie369]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@beekutie1396]

😂😂😂😂😂 I saw that😂😂😂😂😂

[@miked3281]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stephonjones96]

Needed to hear this !!! I was a school bus driver & currently a school custodian. I clicked thinking this would be super controversial / combative but the amount of logic she provided behind her stand point left me with a high level of respect for her mentality. As a young black man striving to learn new skills to improve my position in this country I appreciate the message ! I’m studying to own a home inspection business .

[@Deputyeula305]

AMAZING 👏🏿

[@Nash0303]

This! I levelled up from being a miserable nurse and doubled my income.

[@TheDivaReport]

That’s fire!!! Wishing lots of success to your business 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@kheatherthompson]

I love this for you and we need more Black Inspectors and Appraisers in Real Estate. Congratulations ❤🖤💚

[@jenniferkoromahkoromah8104]

Ebony is full of shit and all that talkin that she's doing don't justify anything she said to Iyana!!! She put foot in her mouth and now she's trying to get it out!!!

[@ZacharyJohnG]

Envy tryna be the “ people’s champ” while he drives around in Maseratis and hosts car shows 😂😂😂😂😂

[@americanadvocatelatino1387]

THANK YOU!

[@charioldauchab4561]

NO, Envy is standing up for the people that support his business

[@jarellgreen548]

She actually made the most sense to me. Seriously feelings are way less important than our progression as a people.

[@CJ_world595]

Yes!!

[@followtheleader61]

Finally somebody who actually gets it

[@allaboutthemurzic]

“our progression as a people”? Who tf is “our” and what does “as a people” mean

[@papmirelli]

She is a hypocrite. She is saying that Envy is emotional and therefore not receiving the message. Then she turns around and shits on Chris Rock because she is in her feelings as a black woman and what Chris said about Jada...

[@Phenomenal-ti4yv]

⁠Very much

[@BigShrimpin416]

The beige rage meter with Envy’s face has me dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Miss_Nelson_The_Dark_Goddess]

Yeah he was big mad!

[@amairriddick1439]

Shit tooo funny

[@ezolamalbreaux2735]

☠️🤣

[@insaneconqueror5421]

Lol😂!

[@MrThomas5421]

Man 😂😂😂😂😂

[@KiaRashan]

Envy loves proving a point when he thinks he has one. 😩 His body language from the beginning says he ain’t tryina hear her because he got somethin to say. Aside from who she wants to date, she clarified exceptional/mediocre with facts and data and he still wanted to tussle. 😂

[@tymbreturner501]

I just said the SAME thing, His body language spoke volumes, It was louder than the conversation itself!!

[@keelhe893]

He had such negative simp energy over there pouting

[@missalphaomegagod-2u]

@@keelhe893exactly he’s always like that with BW straight envious/jealous

[@callmepj4333]

Thank you - I was watching on my tv and had to break out the iPad DJ Envy obviously was ready to fight because of how he feels about his parents and what they did for him WHILE BEING AVERAGE WORKING CLASS… Ebony is def on point and she made the same point over and over and over again! Some men can’t handle a strong and intelligent woman outside the bedroom…he’s definitely 🤡’ing.

[@mikebrin2002]

What are the odds he told someone to get a better job, that was serving him... To try to embarrass them... 🙄🙄🙄

[@fdhall]

Eboni, I agree 1000% with every single word you said. We as a people need to stop getting hurt "feelings" over some damn words especially when those words are coming from a real one and and rooted in love and best intentions. I admittedly haven't watched much of Eboni's content (and I need to change that!), but just from what I've watched thus far she's 100% and owns what she says...and I get down with people like that. Great interview and like many have said, a much needed conversation.

[@TheFoolishable]

Basically, if you’re broke, fat, ugly, short, uneducated, or have a disability just remember it’s not personal. It’s a preference..

[@tbbokum]

Aww she hurt your feelings 😢

[@haywooddonerson2243]

Now this is the Breakfast Club that I've grown to Love over that last decade!!!! Great back and forth, without being disrespectful.

[@gentlemanthug285]

💯

[@merder1414]

She was very disrespectful to the reality of many working class people…what do you mean? It’s disrespectful to ignore their reality and blame their “mindset”

[@annielou2373]

@@merder1414did you listen to the entire exchange? You believe it was disrespectful that doesn’t mean that was her intent. She’s saying that she wants better for us as a community instead of settling.

[@LastoftheMohicans116]

@@annielou2373 in her initial statement with Iyanla she came off as such and in her rebuttal before this interview she doubled down on it. She came off as condescending and looking down on regular everyday working people.

[@user-dd365]

@@LastoftheMohicans116 that’s bound to happen when we only view clips rather than watch the entire conversation

[@ipsilonia]

when eboni started mentioning statistics I FELT THAT. that’s what drove her point home for me. it’s about mindset. the cards been stacked against us. now we have google and we have social media. the opportunity to think outside the box is THERE. the opportunity to maximize your skill set is THERE. we have opportunities that other generations didn’t. knowledge is democratized bc of the internet, and knowledge is POWER. parents should keep expecting greatness from their kids without putting undue pressure on them. my parents didn’t play around about that and it was the discipline I NEEDED. i know my talented a$$ can’t work certain minimum wage jobs bc i care *more* about maximizing my skill set. i know there are systemic issues we’re still dealing w as a community, but it shouldn’t be an excuse for community-wide complacency.

[@mr.brooks9802]

Her initial comment and frame was in regards to men as a whole. The pivot to black men was her changing the conversation and moving the goal post

[@ecclairmayo4153]

Bingo. #noexcuses

[@CaliCool91]

Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used statistics to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?

[@rsingh9900]

She is so sneaky. She change the story around . She had a white man

[@revilloteoj1934]

@@RKG5A5 My Brother

[@mindfulculturecreators]

People need to understand that your feelings are YOUR responsibility. The second we accept this to be true is the second we end so much suffering. We can be empathetic and understanding and kind...and STILL hurt someone's feelings. When we heal as a community, we won't be so susceptible to hurt feelings. This conversation was a trigger to a wound caused long before ebonie Williams.

[@dsa3696]

This was a great interview.

[@phillymoss2986]

She really proved her point its simple better yourself to greatness dont settle at mediocre

[@letgo4331]

Yes. At the same time she does not need to prove anything. We are all allowed to have our preferences. If it's not hurting someone else who cares?

[@karlo9572]

What’s average? Being middle class is average? This trash woman is below average as a human being and that’s what matters the most.

[@brotherman1363]

I'm one-hundred-percent in agreement with her but we got off topic I thought the topic was why didn't she date black men

[@destinymcgowan5328]

​@@brotherman1363 She never said. That was never the discussion. Envy was just deflecting because he was feeling beige rage and thinking with emotions and not logic

[@imani6938]

This WHOLE GROUP IS in THEIR FEELINGS. Ebony isn't lying about MEDIOCRE SKILLS. Everybody and their Momma can drive a bus, and NOTHING is bad about that. She's just saying that their is untapped potential that Black people are not groomed to be ASPIRING TOO. She just wants BLACK FOLK TO KNOW, that we can reach just as high as our White counterparts IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO.

[@mr.logicandfactsunapologet4926]

Everyone can’t be successful as my wife and I. If it wasn’t for my workers I wouldn’t be in the position I’m in. If you own a business you would know that, no one is mediocre.

[@ladyyday4008]

💯💯💯💯✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

[@imani6938]

@@mr.logicandfactsunapologet4926 Sounds like you are unsuccessful with reading and comprehension.

[@sonyaethaniel]

​@@imani6938 💯

[@truthbearer7891]

@@imani6938 No sounds like you’re just a soap box talker and undoubtedly you don’t make 6 figures as a self employed person with employees or you would know it’s not even mathematically possible for everyone or even the majority to be in high earning positions even if they had the skills to do so. Because someone has to serve on the front lines, in lower management, etc. Otherwise the business couldn’t function where the top executives could even afford to pay themselves high income

[@Jamieegenti]

I love this conversation so motivated!!!

[@rellrell9457]

Thank you ! I learned so much…

[@pamelamclean4789]

Eboni will never apologize for hurting people feelings. I love how Envy stood 10 toes down for his community!!! Way to go Envy!!

[@thegreatdel9679]

Oh she’ll apologize if it was the LGBTQ but since it’s black men she doesn’t have too it’s ok to disrespect us

[@ebonyc3751]

The hard truth does and typically hurt people feelings.

[@luckygurl2048]

He's wrong she said nothing bad about any profession

[@peachesandpoets]

I'm sorry you and bus drivers are hurt but no woman owes anybody anything.

[@frontrowwithseand.9056]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@toocuteforboring5825]

She just liberated and vindicated so many who have been saying this. I’m so grateful. Thank you finally

[@pobj6723]

She can talk all this empowerment talk but that wasn't what she originally meant. There is a life value and a sexual value. In sexual value ms eboni is closer to the average she hates so muvh

[@edwhilt]

She ain't said nothing.

[@8mydaydream409]

​@@pobj6723 Her sexual value is average to you, because you are probably a colorist like most black men! I bet you don't say trashy white women are average do you?

[@8mydaydream409]

​@@edwhilt Iyanla and you ain't said nothing!

[@lolsmileyface1057]

@@pobj6723 the idea that you believe that sexual value and life value are equal speaks to the lack of education she pointed out using factual statistics. If saying “oh she’s not sexually attractive” makes you feel better about making 1/8 of what she makes, fine. But that doesn’t change the fact that you focus on the superficial because she has what men like you wish they had, which is money and status 😂😂😂. And you trying to brainwash women to equating the two will not be sustainable when the facts come into play.

[@brainmatterstudios5494]

It was a very powerful and strong interview. It was on my son's birthday. Thank you Ms. Williams for starting the this powerful conversation.

[@madameclark3453]

🥱

[@lindahardin5353]

Great conversation

[@RINAVALERIE]

No matter on what end you stand. This was a good conversation! The breakfast club needs to do this more often.

[@towanaj1394]

Very true...

[@joka5345]

One side had facts and the other was all feeling

[@JAPANESEJENN]

Yes I loved the commentary

[@Rtbj335]

True

[@forremi30]

@@joka5345 And it wasn’t Eboni 👏🏾 !!! I love that for us

[@BlackWeldgod]

I With you Eboni I’m a welder repair business owner and I’m employed with a garbage company ownership is key 🔑 stay woke black folks ❤❤❤❤

[@domj8504]

Very inspiring proud of you!

[@GraduateJLN]

You don’t have a problem with what she said because you aren’t a bum with one source of income❤️

[@shyne1308]

Everybody don't want to be a owner

[@andrewespaillat5733]

Great interview by far hope you guys invite her back on the show .

[@SamM88]

As a current worker within the gig economy, I wholeheartedly agree with most of what she said.🤷🏽‍♀️

[@derycka.l.airdjr.7761]

I’ve been a track worker for NYC Transit for almost ten years. I’m about to train to become a track inspector because I know I can’t be a track worker forever. Physically, that will take its toll. Some may not like the way she did it, but Eboni K. Williams was basically calling men higher, black men especially. That’s actually a good thing. I’m encouraged by that.

[@Jameel3DN]

I Can see that if this was a woman who pursued black men.. This lady pursued white men her entire life and now that she is 40 and single this is all black mens fault? She tryna scape goat men into feeling like its our fault when the stats say Black men lead black women in everything .. Smh this is just crazy

[@alphakanybody1]

Yea but you weren’t complacent, you did what you had to do to get where you wanted to be.. at no point would I have called you or what you had to do was mediocre.. good luck witcha training G 🤝

[@lizzyforevermore4]

Yea but a lot BM don't hear that though. They don't know how to read between the lines and get offended by everything that could implemented as constructive criticism

[@chitlinjuice]

The Black women that don't push black men to be better usually are the ones that pity black men bc they don't believe they can do better. So really, Eboni clearly cares more about yall which is why she's saying to step it up.

[@helldlc777]

Good stuff bro! The interviewers were horrible.

[@silentsmashbros4902]

This was one hell of a conversation, and it was a MUCH NEEDED conversation. If you can get out of your feelings enough, you will get the message. Great job to everybody involved.

[@mirianinoa1964]

Agreed

[@minalove6582]

Yes!

[@matachijones3981]

I agree. When my children attended school C,D,F was unacceptable in my home. Period…..

[@girlygirllocssoul]

🎯🎯🎯 The one thing I’ve learned in life are these words… “It is not personal, it’s business”. Personal will have you stuck in your feelings and when you FINALLY get out of your feelings, life done ran right through you.

[@joierichardson6029]

@@girlygirllocssoul agreed!

[@frostedflavors]

As a custodian myself , but a barber & cannabis business owner as well , I can relate to what she is saying and a lot of people don’t want to hear . It’s all about what the person wants I see it everyday in the school district some people are complacent with just being custodians or just teachers but deep down are unhappy or know they want more and can do more but for whatever reason or outside / internal situations they settle . As a custodian business owner I know this is not it for me and I strive for more daily but not everyone can relate and I’m ok with that like snoop dogg said it’s about closing the gap .

[@augustineacevedo37]

If you were 60 years old with a successful cleaning company, would you feel like you lived a life that was mediocre? I dont think that would be mediocre. And I'm really glad you strive to reach even more, and have multiple companies. But I would be just as happy for you if you had a decent job and a happy family 🤷‍♂️ there's nothing mediocre about living your life bro ❤💯

[@LeCroix1980]

GREAT CONTENT!!!!

[@denecca100]

A lot of black people aren’t ready for this conversation. If you listened to what she said objectively without emotions then you would know that Eboni is speaking a lot of truth. There are alot of systemic problems that have put our people behind but we keep ourselves there in alot of ways.

[@buhle8288]

Speak it!

[@Dimeonwheels]

You're correct. What she said holds true. However, her tone and some of the verbiage was harsh and insensitive. When called out on how it was viewed, she still doubled down, opting not to admit that it rubbed folks the wrong way. If her viewership took a nose dive behind this, I bet she'd be on an apology tour.

[@showmecreationsmultimedia]

And we agree. But the problem is, that’s not the argument. The argument is broke men get rejected, but broke women still find a rich husband and aren’t judged.

[@reparations4144]

I agree with you. It all reverts back to yt supremacy-Dr. Francis Welsing and Dr. Claude Anderson have been warning us about the permanent underclass and how yt supremacy is a system. People need to wake up!

[@87Lohan]

What she’s saying is idealistic and actually isn’t a way to build a strong black economy. Not everybody can be an entrepreneur and not everybody needs to be an entrepreneur in order to elevate the black community. If someone is happy driving a bus, living a simple life I just don’t see the problem. They still play a vital role in society and in the economy, they are consumers which are needed.

[@truehou]

The Beige Rage meter is HILARIOUS 😂

[@realestatetipsbyakileach6032]

🤣😂🤣

[@timharvey7937]

Best breakfast club interview I ever seen

[@jackieala4515]

I appreciate the honesty and perspective from Eboni K Williams- if black folk can get out of our own way and listen to a perspective that allows us to be better we would succeed- BET ON BLACK

[@seanboogiejones3718]

I’m a bus driver who happens to own his own bus and business and I’m not offended by what she’s saying. I can feel where she’s coming from and the mindset that she would entertain being involved with. Having a preference shouldn’t be frowned upon because there’s levels to things.

[@newrivervalleywellnessdotc1260]

exactly, I feel like Envy would take issue with after all he has done , he would not like his kids wanting to become a bus driver or his daughters marry a bus driver. And these are dude that clown Childish Gambino for coming in there with average no name clothes .

[@mefilmmaking]

No you’re not. Nice try. You’re fishing for positive comments.

[@brahmabkitty03]

Awesome! My Grandfather was a founder of the 1st black bus company! It’s about what makes you happy.

[@seanboogiejones3718]

@@mefilmmaking Ha, I would get nothing from that but I see YOU’RE fishing for dialogue by commenting on other people’s comments. Have a good one whoever you are

[@GarageStudio7]

​@@newrivervalleywellnessdotc1260 Exactly it is hypocritical of him. He is attenpting to push political correctness and feelings over facts.

[@ralfonsojr]

This is exactly some of the conversations needed to be had: Honesty, Maturity, Passion

[@malcolmthompson7769]

There was nothing mature about her. She showed that she is the kind of person that does not listen to critique and who is very dismissive of other people's viewpoints.

[@MoPerspective]

💯

[@jailynjackson7867]

@@malcolmthompson7769 huh? Did we watch the same interview? DJ Envy was literally doing the exact same ish that you are claiming Eboni did. Y’all black men are just mad because you only saw one clip of an interview, misconstrued tf out of it and ran with it

[@seaberry11]

@@jailynjackson7867 some Black Men like to take out all of their frustrations on any woman who dares to have an opinion or preference. What she said wasn’t wrong, even if some took offense to it. No one should have to change their opinion because it hurts someone feelings. As long as it isn’t being blatantly racist or hateful…how cares.

[@peedot39]

just not condescending

[@anthonyturner8587]

This made me subscribe to TheGrio. Loved this one

[@fusebox79]

Nobody in the world is good enough, she right we’re she needs to be and stay. It’s a blessing trust me.

[@Lighting4aQut]

I gotta applaud everybody on this episode on the Breakfast Club for sitting through this entire conversation

[@lelahill9778]

Me TOO- totally agree

[@Forsaken860]

Maturity was real in this moment cause I AINT GOT IT.....

[@travisscott2678]

Yes. Because I would have left. Envy gets on my nerves.

[@tendaichaponda8284]

Haha so y out would leave a conversation because you didn’t hear what you want ? Very mature lol

[@gaila.9852]

@@Forsaken860 Hahaha!

[@avajordan5616]

Eboni you have spoken! We’ve been taught to take less and or expect less. Our thinking needs to be altered to higher level.

[@zerotolerance2026]

Agreed! This is how I’m raising my 2 daughters. One will be graduating and going to college in 2024. She already understands the assignment. Standards, boundaries and expectations! It’s just that simple.

[@redbird9000]

Thx Eboni K Williams for pushing us forward. We as blk people don’t like the truth. We do need to push higher!

[@ElectronicsWired]

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

[@lovemesh09]

Thank you sis 🙌🏾🙌🏾 she’s challenging the community! Period! the truth hurst but the facts are facts ! Grow up Envy!

[@glitbow7630]

Envy spoke the truth lmao she’s the one who needs to stop shaming peopl for driving a city bus

[@godsmercenary8166]

OOOOHH MY GOD!! Are we even listening??? Shes not shaming anyone!!! She just wants black ppl to strive for better that's all!!! Envy honestly really needs to grow up!!

[@odiliaod9683]

We get our feelings hurt everyday by the people who want us to fail and stay at the bottom. Eboni wants us to not be complacent, I would rather hear and be hurt by the truth if it means I will reach MY highest skill set in life. Some people need a gentler approach and some just need it straight no chaser. Whatever resonates with you to reach your highest skill set in life (I'm with Eboni).

[@Blessed_Beyond_Belief]

Great comment. It’s a shame she even has to come and explain why to a bunch of people who will still disagree because they are mentally programmed to stay average!!

[@Quitfleeingyourhomeland1]

She’s a 🛌 🔧

[@Iloveswedes]

Yeah, she wants that.... but then she's not a great motivational speaker if when she talks about her personal life, she's like he has to be a bus owner, not driver. That doesn't put her in a good light. Everybody wants to be rich, everybody likes the idea of marrying somebody rich. No need to suggest you are above somebody else.

[@marie-francoiset9402]

@@Iloveswedes she didn't say she was above anyone else. she just doesn't want a bus driver. so what? it's her life.

[@poplover6672]

THIS IS THE BREAKFAST CLUB I LOVE. We need these conversations. This is on REPEAT.

[@tanmiley7181]

I absolutely love the show and the energy it gave. Informative, insightful, productive, powerful, and exciting at the same dang time

[@TopShotta2.23]

She said a whole bunch of nothing! Hats off to envy & Shame on Charla for pandering for his friends 😅

[@jeneceamiker652]

@@TopShotta2.23 per usual

[@mopar_keys]

Repeat for what?? 😂

[@Deanshamar92]

Y’all giving mediocre😂😂

[@shellyedwards2875]

Healthy conversations that we need to have cause we use to be able to talk with out fighting ❤

[@TheBobbyWelcome]

The "Beige Rage" meter is hilarious. When it went red I almost lost it

[@tredbailey]

She literally answered how to not be mediocre like 10 times and they keep asking it

[@luvbug4388]

Yes I'm like why are people playing crazy. Like she doesn't keep answering the questions. And talking in circles. I would have been so frustrated with em! It was like they weren't listening,and just saying anything. Lol

[@jeffmorency3224]

Maybe it don't make sense to them..explaining don't mean anything if it doesn't make sense

[@tredbailey]

@@jeffmorency3224 true.

[@gtsound12]

She is double talking and what she is saying doesn’t make sense. She is saying if you don’t settle for one job and maximize your skills then you are not mediocre but at the same time there are several broke people with tons of hustles and streams of income but they are not making good money. I guarantee she will consider them mediocre. She wouldn’t date a bus driver that owned the bus if he wasn’t profitable.

[@malisiaevelynstl]

@@gtsound12 She's allowed to have her personal standard, she minimized that part of the conversation because the bigger issue for her is the conversation around settling for mediocrity. And if there are several broke people with several streams of income then obviously they're not optimizing their potential. At the end of the day, she said she's not the ruler for what mediocrity is, define that for yourself!

[@blaqueboywonder9163]

Everyyyy time I hear Ebony I like her more & more & more . Definitelyyyy on her side .

[@Joyparc]

10:30 I totally agree. As a healthcare worker I met the cap of my skill set and I know in the future my position won’t be needed. I’m going into other areas that is for tomorrow and will have better work life balance.

[@pettylouxentertainment4323]

The Problem Is They Worried About People Feelings, They Can’t Take The Fact That She Using Her Vocabulary Correctly 😂 Cause Atp They Not Listening

[@Fifth3rd]

🚨I was once a plant worker and I HATED IT making $15.75 at Ford Motor Company. Now I’m a truck driver making $30….. 🚨 I must say this was a healthy conversation and I actually agree with her. Us as black ppl, HAVE TO GET OUT OF MEDIOCRACY! Now her delivery was tough, but she has a VALID POINT! We have to do better as a culture. I’ll say it for Eboni, the black culture is BROKEN and she’s really telling us to get out our feelings and get our ISH together. I will FOREVER expect EXCEPTIONALITY out of myself and everyone associated with me. Now Envy has a point about the delivery BUT we gotta toughen up and it’s kinda the right place for a woman to speak to the hearts of men. Men can motivate men, but our Queens can move us in ways that other men can’t. Respectfully.

[@DEPSTEPS]

She don't mean that shit she a damn lawyer ! She made 2 different comments BUS driver then got mad at the comments and proceeded to attack with the C and Ds comments and white supremacy talk !!! You negros believe whatever a MF SAY LOLLLL

[@f58534]

You fell for it to 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@f58534]

She prefer white men for a reason

[@__kash]

@@f58534 Maybe you should fall for it too. We’re doubling salaries over here 😉

[@f58534]

@Ms. Bailey we doing quite well actually.... together.... she changed the topic after getting dragged

[@shellyedwards2875]

Hustle and flow is how we roll having many skills ❤ love it

[@loveyu2778]

Thank You, Envy...

[@desiree.s]

Envy is always so emotional. In every argument, it’s always emotional.

[@rriley6963]

And rude to guests or pouting

[@Kelaine72]

his behavior was horrid in this debate

[@sonya-mariesamuel4708]

Because he has a poor vocabulary and communication skills- when he can’t keep up he gets riled up.

[@f58534]

How ? He barely spoke

[@ohanaohana8844]

​@@f58534 look at his face and posture. Nonverbal is just as powerful as verbal.

[@SpicyOriginal]

Well I’ll say this. Iyanla did a great job of never answering Eboni’s question (cuz she didn’t have an answer) and shifting the attention elsewhere. 😂😂

[@ajstevenson6384]

I fully love this interview, all of it. I am always intrigued when people talk about liberation and seperate experiences and/or emotions? I also wonder if the words mediocre and average don’t settle well in the spirits of working class folks bc those are the words historically used by the elite to downplay the position of folks who don’t have access to equitable opportunities

[@candyclown8703]

Aww my Daddy was a bus driver and he loved it! He was a people person and loved being able to help people out.

[@bopcooper8974]

She called the working class mediocre. Aint no way around that. Mediocre has always had a negative connotation. You can’t flip it to = average

[@anthonyellison5774]

Fax

[@Erniepotts]

Mediocre has two definitions. She meant of low quality in her original statement but today she wanna say average lmao

[@NonProphet500]

It's all relative. Depending on the average income of the folks she's in the room with a woman worth $2million can be mediocre. If she in a room with Oprah, she's the mediocre.

[@flatbkush6]

*The funny part about it is that she look mediocre. Men value the physical of a woman not money and success. I wouldn't want to wife this regular looking chick anyway. She only qualify for a good smash* 🤷🏾

[@princeshine9062]

‼️ eboni k Williams is CORRECT. I'mma put my business on front Street I only make $20 an hour and I agree with everything this woman is saying. Y'all dudes are weak. Just because you're a nice person someone is supposed to take you in no matter your conditions ⁉️ stop acting like y'all would date a homeless nice person. People have a right to their standards. When you're trying to be an entrepreneur you are advised by experts to surround yourself around alike individuals. You don't think it's extremely important/necessary for that alike individual to be your sexual/life partner. If a woman told me I have to get my bread up before being in her life I wouldn't be mad. Just like I wouldn't expect a homeless woman to be mad at me if I tell her she has to upgrade her life if she wants to be with me. Y'all are weak and emotional.

[@shannonherbert4987]

One thing is for certain... Eboni is highly intelligent and passionate. If we had more like her, well paid, and in the classrooms pushing our youth towards excellence; not only would our community be in a much better place, but so would our nation as a whole.

[@deelo111]

This!!!

[@ladyyday4008]

Fax !

[@emanualcarr7408]

Good speech Gandhi

[@TreyMessiah95]

I don’t pay attention to entertainers, what grassroots work have she did? Instead of complaining about black men?

[@devonshannon4828]

So Albert Einstein was mediocre?

[@acoupleslove]

The Beige Rage meter tho🤣🤣🤣

[@TheSportsandFilmFellowship]

Generational Wealth 💎

[@spiderpimp33]

For the people like me who can actually SEPARATE EMOTIONS from facts & data, we understand EXACTLY what she was saying regarding the topic of discussion. Great conversation.

[@usmanvcx]

Well she misrepresented several facts wrong so there’s that.

[@Jrfusion08]

@@usmanvcx What facts are those?

[@invaderzimii]

I agree. I was not offended by anything she said. The delivery might be seen as harsh but we cannot be coddled any longer. Look what coddling has done to our community as a whole. It's time to really wake up. This is a "rude" awakening.

[@thadonjuan2339]

​@InvaderZimi what she was saying has nothing to do with what she originally said.

[@invaderzimii]

@@thadonjuan2339 I don't have a problem with what she said originally and I don't have a problem with what she said now. 🤷🏾

[@cc5200]

I wholeheartedly understand what Eboni is saying, I think her delivery and then doubling down is what rubbed many people the wrong way, but it was a very important discussion, look forward to seeing more deep conversations like this. 👏🏽

[@olansogbes6705]

I agree

[@joshlamar1990]

Who cares what eboni has to say about the black community she’s clearly only dates white men that have a position of power.

[@emwebb10]

That really what it is.

[@peachesandpoets]

That's their problem. Why do black women have to walk on eggshells to tell the truth? She studied and went to law school and doesn't want struggle love. She shouldn't have to kiss the ring to say that

[@joshlamar1990]

@@peachesandpoets and she’s still 40 and unmarried her millionaire fiancé called off the engagement money can’t buy love and success is not going to make someone stay with you.

[@rakitadavis1603]

I feel like a lot of people listened to her to respond and not understand. Being a mediocre person vs doing mediocre work are completely different. I fully comprehend and share that sentiment even as it applies to myself.

[@brownthree]

Yep. All they heard was the word mediocre and their feelings took over. Everything said after that was nonexistent to them. Part of maturity is being able to disengage your feelings and accept constructive criticism.

[@mauricenix2026]

I agree with DJ Envy’s sentiment. The snippet was probably taken out of context but like he said, people were offended by it. And to all the people saying they agree with her, ownership doesn’t relieve you from mediocrity. It’s an internal thing. Mrs. Vanzant’s whole point was about searching inside. At the end of your life, what would have mattered most; your salary and material possessions or your character? All of our salaries, small or large, can be gone tomorrow. That doesn’t mean be complacent. It means remember what’s most important! I would say both sides made for a balanced conversation but Eboni seemed defensive most of the time. Like the other co-host said, “she didn’t stand 10 toes down”. She used the statistics that blacks died at a disproportionate rate to other groups during COVID because of our exposure as essential workers as a way to support her point but it just seemed like she was moving the goal post. None of that had anything to do with the broader narrative of her interview with Mrs. Vanzant. Like DJ Envy said, whether you meant to or not….you did offend the backbone of the US economy. Not Lawyers, doctors and accountants, but average workers, small businesses and blue collar workers, militia workers make it possible for her to “advocate” as she claimed. I was personally offended by the narrative notwithstanding how sensational it was.

[@kimberlyemma2106]

As someone who loves tough love and brutal honesty I enjoy Eboni's approach. She's ultimately saying black people are consistently at the bottom of the totel pole in everything and that we need to fix that via ownership.

[@showmecreationsmultimedia]

And we agree. But the problem is, that’s not the argument. The argument is broke men get rejected, but broke women still get a man.

[@25McDermott]

@@showmecreationsmultimedia FACTS… she literally said people with average jobs had c and d for grade point average.

[@kimberlyemma2106]

@Show Me Creations the black community will NEVER thrive and be at the top of the totel pole without black men. She is ultimately pushing black men to seek power and ownership. The first step in that direction, according to most people, will always be education. What is wrong with that?

[@AG-xt6ei]

All of that has nothing to do with her original statement

[@teecharee6069]

​@@showmecreationsmultimediashe still ain't dating the bus driver

[@islandroxie]

I completely agree with Eboni. She is saying the same thing that immigrant parents have said to their children for decades. Every First Gen kid has heard this most of their life!! 🇯🇲

[@GeeLambo]

Exactly

[@angelaasse688]

Facts. My parents are Haitian 🇭🇹. They dont play!

[@destinymcgowan5328]

There is a difference between immigrants and Black Americans

[@jasminegeorgie6273]

A LOT OF BLACK AMERICAN PARENTS TALKS TO THERE KIDS.😒

[@shellz831]

​@@destinymcgowan5328 and DUMMY, that's what she is saying. Stop being BEGGARS in America. The whi+es having given yall SHHH and while never give yall SHHH. Thinking you're special talking about " ⚫ Americans" just show yall have been the riches and being in America the longest and STILL DONT GOT SHHH TO SHOW FOR IT.

[@amberjackson1913]

This was a good one, all the way around. Well done.

[@keepsit100atalltime9]

I'm trying to figure out why so many people are in their feelings because of what Eboni said. Her preference is her preference. All she wants people to do, especially BM, is to be ambitious. She shouldn't have to get in here and scream at the top of her lungs for people to hear her. What she said is true.

[@jmcdrawer5031]

But she was trying to marry a white man. What happened to that?

[@akabigron]

She won't date a bus driver that reached his maximum potential.

[@ElectronicsWired]

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

[@ElectronicsWired]

@@jmcdrawer5031 he realized that she hadnt reached her highest potential and he dumped her.. LOL. folks gotta stop listening to clowns. Work the job you got and do you.

[@JayTheComedian]

Eboni: “If you’re not doing your absolute best, you should!” Dj Envy: “Stop pooping on my father!!!” 😂😂😂😂

[@sonya-mariesamuel4708]

He really kept bringing up his father lol like huh 😂

[@peachesandpoets]

The same men who call women emotional. I'm surprised he didn't cry or storm out like he did with desus and mero

[@karengilmore8445]

🤦🏾

[@aaomer14]

Envy woke up on the right side of history today and I'm here for it 🙌 👏 💪🏾

[@dinkyboss]

He spoke up for the bums dragging the community down. This is why successful members of the community need to leave y’all in the ghetto where y’all want to stay so bad

[@slim9029]

Yes he did 🎉

[@ogriss412]

I said the same damn thing in different context 💯

[@Jupiterxice]

Envy wasn't having it today.... Kudos to him

[@sheritownsend5359]

How did he wake up on the RIGHT side of history when BW already have a history of making more money than BM? BW have always dated and married down, due to the BM's statue in this country. Of the BW college grads 60% of them are financially supporting the household. Where is the other 30% coming from? And Yet a multi millionaire BW is being told to consider the bus driver? Even Envy sent his daughter to a private school when he got the money.

[@cassanix9093]

Agreed with Eboni. It's not about feelings, it's about facts. Level tf up

[@kimvatcher-smith8194]

NEEDED CONVERSATION!!!!

[@BV9429]

I UNDERTOOD EVERYTHING SHE WAS SAYING SHE WASNT PUTTING ANYBODY DOWN SHE WAS JUST SAYING SET HIGHER STANDARDS FOR YOURSELF

[@Fachizzle]

Right???

[@ElectronicsWired]

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

[@roselynholloway7863]

@@ElectronicsWiredwhere did you see that

[@ElectronicsWired]

@@roselynholloway7863 google it. she admitted it. she was on housewives but she had neither a house nor was she a wife.

[@flagurlcoco1036]

EEEEENNNNVVVVYYYYY IM SO FREAKING PROUD OF YOU BRUH!!!

[@Ms.YeauxJuan]

Absolutely 💯

[@Droc913]

YEA MAN ENVY U DA MAN TODAY BRO BECAUSE SHE CAME THERE LIKE WITH BIG HEAD LIKE SHE GON STAND ON DA BS SHE SAID N ENVY INFLATED HER BIG HEAD 😂

[@shaniquedavis3609]

You can tell envy did not listen the entire of the interview. Just talking and not listening. BYE!

[@rrichmond14]

There was nothing missing. I watched the whole interview and it doesnt make her look any better.

[@charmarichshow1714]

🤯 no one will pay you what you will pay u!! Soo true. I have that same sentiment but never applied it to employment.

[@cindynell583]

Envy didn’t hold back and I LOVE it! He held her to the fire-especially making note of the fact that she never took accountability for her comments that literally hurt people!

[@Nash0303]

Men have preferences all the time, she can have one too.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

@@Nash0303 RIGHT!!! Since when do men care about “hurting feelings” 😂

[@50esq65]

What hurt them most? The fact that she called certain jobs and grades mediocre, or their realization that they have accepted mediocrity over greatness in work and school?

[@yolandacleare6709]

If her statement hurt you you need to level up.

[@terencesmith3853]

@@50esq65 Sis spoke the truth and was getting dragged for ratings bc of the facts that she stated. Too many Black Folk want their ears tickled! They are hearing "what they want to hear" and twisted her words and tag-teaming her and over-speaking as she was talking. #SAD . It's a truly sad person that lives their lives by their feelings with little to no standards! I agree with her 200%

[@SomPrince]

Wth are we doing? We hate our regular jobs yet get offended when someone says you can do better 🤣 Always seek to do better, that’s the message that I got 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@sweetulip2004]

Good point!

[@inkagold547]

With all due respect, I saw the full interview and Iyanla said if" he liked riding the bus". That job is less than another job it's just people's opinions.

[@feliciamoore9786]

I agree 100% with what she is saying. I say this all the time, the need for skills & certifications is essential. The only problem I have, it is assumed that Black Americans are okay with kids getting c’s & d’s in school; then, going to college and not excelling. Absolutely no way have I ever been okay with that, and it’s in poor taste, to think that most of us are okay with it. Life is like a circle: church, family, community, and education. All facets are important and must be aligned. When one is off, it affects the other. Not saying, there won’t be much success, but it’ll be harder to attain. For instance, Eboni comes from a single parent household; yet, her family life didn’t stop her from achieving anything. The biggest attainment out of the four is education. There won’t be much skill set without it. Not only just education, but people need to UNDERSTAND the importance of it, and understand WHY it’s needed or conceptualism. It’s like learning math. It would be hard to learn the different lessons of math, without learning the concepts first. Some people may not know the importance of understanding why skill sets are needed.

[@Flows_Playlist]

"Eboni k Williams" at the end😂😂😂

[@avjohnson]

I found this spirited debate extremely satisfying and stimulating. You all held your own and had good, strong points. It was like watching an expert tennis match and I throughly enjoyed it. You all were firm, passionate, heated but no one was disrespectful or rude. This is how it should be. Would love for this to be a permanent segment once a week or month with you four discussing important issues that are related to the Culture. Well done.

[@JerseyJD24]

same!

[@robscott7074]

Agreed 💯

[@acct4600]

"WeNeedToTalk" on youtube does it better.

[@MikeSuperJohnson]

Word!

[@usmanvcx]

I hear you Auntie, but it’s a little sad how we’re enjoying this as entertainment. Those stats about black folk being at the bottom are real and we’ll continue to be at the bottom if we don’t address the true cause of it all and that’s our inability to work together as men and women. Eboni dismissing blue collar work as mediocre is a huge distraction in my opinion.

[@uncaged172]

Big Up Dj Envy As A Former Bus Driver I Respect You For Standing Up For The Hard Working Class Ppl.

[@RalphSingl95]

So why did you stop being a bus driver ?

[@uncaged172]

@@RalphSingl95 Did it for 7 years then went to get a mechanic diploma but it was bad for my health as a young man.

[@Rmcm1984]

She never said she think working class people r shit. She just said she ain’t want to date a bus driver 🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️

[@RalphSingl95]

@@uncaged172 so basically you went to better yourself and your way of living ?

[@sydneythompson9053]

@@uncaged172 no disrespect but what did you disagree with? Mta bus drivers make enough money to be upwardly mobile. Idk anyone who necessarily enjoyed driving a bus, it takes a toll on your body and your stuck in a job dealing with the public for 30 years.

[@georgeneale3207]

The fundamental point is that folks should work harder at maximizing their particular capabilities, whatever they are, via education, knowledge and effective effort. That will help close health and wealth disparities.

[@ChrisRWoods-px9hy]

Eboni is on point 100%. Everyone has to enter somewhere in the workforce, however, you shouldn't end you work life in the same place you started. There are 24hrs. in a day, 8hrs. working, 8hrs. sleeping what about the other 8hrs.? What are you doing to excel? The excuse everyone wants to use is, "they can't afford to get educated in other skillsets". That's BS. There are platforms now where you can learn skills without spending $50k for a degree. Udemy, Skillshare, Coursera, KZbin, and dozens of other inexpensive eLearning platforms where you can learn anything from coding, mechanics, music theory, and thousands of other skills. Some of us get it, because didn't want to be "mediocre" so we've been through that journey to stop driving the bus, and become a career professional without having tens of thousands of dollars for degrees. Keep spreading that message. People get triggered because they know they're not doing everything they could be doing to move up. So, instead of addressing it and doing the work they feel better when they point fingers finding fault in others who are doing better than themselves. Haters. ❤

[@user-ct6lt5qr1z]

This is the problem with Black America we want to be pacified into greatness. When in actuality obtaining the excellence that Eboni is speaking to that we want to see happen collectively takes fucking GRIT. To exercise that muscle you have to put your feelings aside and, take accountability and sit in the conviction that we can do better in order to move from mediocracy into our true highest individual potential. Then construct a plan to execute. If you have any inkling about wealth you know that high earning skill sets and ownership is apart of the blueprint. All Eboni did was give us the medicine without the candy. It was a perspective I needed to hear for sure.

[@MrAcehard]

i bet y'all hated Kevin samuels speech tho lol

[@ChosenOne232]

@@MrAcehardro KS was saying this shit for 2 yrs and was crucified. Throughout this whole interview I heard nothing but KS talking points (on both sides) R.I.P the godfather 🕊️

[@Nash0303]

@@MrAcehard nah this is why I loved KS and got his point and changed.

[@BreenyLee]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@BreenyLee]

@@MrAcehard Kevin Samuels was a two tongued snake because on one hand he preached about Black Excellence and one hand he told black women to settle!! Didn’t Kevin Samuels tell that lady she was average at best? Now y’all got a problem with Eboni calling y’all black men average? 😂😂😂😂

[@k4112]

I agree with Ebony! We as a people are ok with just getting by. Let's aim higher as a people. Great conversation

[@ilovepdub]

i get both points .. and that baige rage metter so funny

[@GaryE-go1vt]

I used to work as a Steel Fabricator in West Point, MS making $9.50 an hour with a high school education. I am now a Data Scientist with an MBA making almost six times that amount. I think what should have been said: Do what you are passionate about and satisfied with. If you think you are worth more, then go get it. If you are satisfied with "driving a bus" so, be it. Love shouldn't be based on how much money you make; it should be based who that person is. Nothing against Eboni, sometimes words are better spoken inside your head. That comment should have been an inside the head conversation. Words are powerful, and I didn't have someone convince me to want more in my life. I had to want it myself.

[@trentrodgers834]

She SPELLED IT OUT and they STILLLL CHOSE to be offended. What she is saying is as clear as a sunny Sunday morning

[@notjustaprettyface]

Exactly‼️‼️💯💯

[@flame984]

Still offensive to call someone's job mediocre. That should be clear as day but obviously she doesn't get it

[@_kaayj_]

Clear as day. 💯

[@marie-francoiset9402]

@@flame984 it's the truth. if you're offended deep inside you know you need to level up. it's actually good.

[@kundakaps]

She *LIED* about the dictionary definition of *mediocre/mediocrity* Here is what the Merriam-Webster says:  Did you know? People interested in words always point out that mediocrity doesn't mean quite what its main root would indicate: Why doesn't it describe something that's right in the middle of the pack, exactly what you would expect? Instead the words mediocrity and mediocre always suggest disappointment. A mediocre play is one you wish you hadn't wasted an evening on, and the mediocre actor in it should probably find another profession. A person can even be called a mediocrity, though it isn't very nice and you'd never do it to his face.

[@dillionmcintosh2926]

This conversation was excellent!!!!!!! These are the types of conversations we need to be having in our community on a consistent basis. It’s important not to dismiss either viewpoint but take the best part from what Ebony and envy are saying ! OUTSTANDING CONVERSATION 🙌🏿💪🏿

[@shavly412]

I appreciated it too. I just would like our people to emote from sound bites. We need to be more prepared to handle and focus on context. We miss a lot when we get mad from a 60 sound bite.

[@nuestrosvideos9791]

OUR PEOPLE? IT SHOULD BE ALL.

[@CharlieXFBA]

@Get Money & Chill Yea she was wayyy off. And she totally backtracked. Talk about spinning a narrative.

[@kurokaizen1889]

​@@getmoneychill6462 Exactly. Makes no damn. Sense. Her book is called "Bet on Black" but she herself is literally doing the opposite.

[@CharlieXFBA]

@Kuro Kaizen And when she talked sh*t about the Bus Drivers, I guarantee you she was envisioning a BLACK bus driver, not a Chad.

[@clandestine9196]

She is so right!

[@ITZ_REEK_MEDIA_LLC]

Feelings ain't never fixed a problem over logic

[@BreaneNic]

It’s not hard to understand what Eboni is saying so it’s frustrating when they are misinterpreting her.

[@realestatetipsbyakileach6032]

yes it is. bc she is putting her OWN experience on everyone else

[@jmatthews5685]

@@realestatetipsbyakileach6032 no she's not. There's enough comments here and, more importantly, FACTual STATS that prove this isn't just her "experience". You being offended doesn't make her wrong

[@semajcarmel]

It can be hard to understand someone with factual information if it’s not presented palatable. The come across is just as important as the intent. I think her come across could have been more compassionate.

[@BreaneNic]

@@semajcarmel Well, she did mention she’s not trying to protect feelings. But in no way is she putting her own experience on everyone else. It’s unfair to misinterpret what’s she’s saying due to feelings being hurt.

[@malikthomas8452]

​@@BreaneNic bro stop the cat she's in no way or form did she say anything about black people as a whole species specifically said black men aren't protecting on providing earning an income and black woman are doing better in them that's literally what she said when black women earn lower than black man and every demographic in every way less than black men you really making no sense she didn't say nothing about black women at all or black people as a whole sheet of specifically said black men when she is a rare exception to the rule of any black women earning more than black men and who cares what she thinks she wouldn't bring up what God put it on the earth for God specifically said put him first and everything should come second all you need is full show through and covering into worship him it didn't say nothing about earning 6 figures what you trying to do is cover up what she really was saying even though she can't cuz she clearly said black men now that people are giving her back glass because she's a 40 year old single women who know how I value black man or any other race wants

[@jas8471]

I never felt like Eboni Williams hurt me as a working-class person. I understood her stance from day one, and i agree with her. Why would you want your children on the 'school to minimum wage pipeline' where they have no other option but to wait till retirement to rest or travel.

[@Gezebellifestyle]

They had great points all around.

[@fabulouswomenpray]

I agree!

[@dawncarey7664]

Whether you like Eboni K. Williams or not. Whether you like her delivery or not. Whether you like her status in life or not. She is speaking FACTS! Envy all in his feelings being all sensitive! Shout out to Eboni K!

[@sv2phx]

U know it all

[@GETBIG4WARD]

You hate Envy because he a man stop talking in code 😂😂

[@CaliCool91]

Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used facts to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?

[@emanualcarr7408]

So Envy can't be just as relevant with his perspective and delivery? Wow 😮

[@GETBIG4WARD]

@@CaliCool91 bingo

[@emptyskies144]

What Envy said was powerful. A lot of black people are starting from such a place of disadvantage that the best thing they can do is work their asses off so that they can pass the baton to their children; so their children actually get a fair shot. We grow by operating as a community, not just thinking about what is best for us as individuals and optimizing our individual potential. Just like on a basketball team, it's not for everyone to score. Sometimes you need to set a screen. You won't be presenting yourself in the best light individually, but if you really care about what's best for the collective, you'll do it.

[@Christina5Mo]

Well said!

[@Erniepotts]

So true. My uncle was a bus driver and raised two kids plus me. His two kids have PHDs. I have two degrees myself.

[@JamesHarris-fi9fh]

Very true black folks use to think that way but we've gotten lost in the benefits we've come to earn for the most part after the civil and voting rights movements we need to get back to reality about what's going on

[@HonorableSienna]

It wasn’t. He wanted a moment. Do you believe that he would advocate for his daughters to date/marriage the bus driver.

[@dinkyboss]

Nah this can’t be the excuse 400 years from slavery. Black men have been running that excuse into the GROUND. Get off y’all asses and stop making excuses. The community will continue to suffer until ALL of its members get their shit together. Until then individuals need to do what they need to do regardless of what the community does.

[@toricoltori]

"Personal projections around defined words" = DJ Envy

[@LTgoBirds]

Black excellence is one thing, the stability of Black Love and Family is another. Seek the latter first and the money and achievements can grow. It is HARD for our people to make it alone.

[@melo5978]

Thank you, DJ envy for standing up for essential workers and not allowing eboni to tap dance with big words to seem like shes fighting a bigger "fight". Thank you to all the working class workers that are essential. This is what being detached from reality looks like.

[@peachesandpoets]

Um, dj envy wouldn't let his daughters marry a bus driver who is happy being a bus driver. Nobody else is told to settle but black women.

[@shawnclark8452]

Envy aint feeling her..virgo energy on full display

[@blakex2699]

​@@peachesandpoets dating a bus driver is not settling if you are in the same income bracket. And that what Kevin samuals was saying . Women who only make 50,000 a year saying they don't want to settle. It not settling to date in your class bracket. And if you like eboni and are a millionaire it different. She not asking for anything she not doing herself

[@HonorableSienna]

He conflating the issue and by his own word. He didn’t watch the full clip.

[@Christina5Mo]

Speak on it!!!!!