Hollywood's Era Of Identity Politics: 2015-2025

[@Metoki-cq2sf]

“Any future young homosexual Puerto Ricans who dreamed of riding horseback through Helm’s Deep.” 💀😂🤣 I’m Rican and showed this to my family and we all died laughing 😅❤

[@jacksparrowguy]

I’m gay and I couldn’t give two shits about “seeing myself” in any of the media I watched as a kid. My sexual preferences are completely separate from what I like to watch, read, and listen to. I can definitely understand why this gay narcissist became an actor (as someone who majored in theater myself). A lot of gay men in show business are promiscuous, emotional, vindictive, and have low amounts of testosterone(and are actually proud of it 🙄) the failure of Rings of Power is well deserved in this case

[@Jodie-G198]

At least y'all got in some deep laughs from this line. 👍👍

[@juuchanIRL]

gays across the non-western world disown their western representation

[@juuchanIRL]

gays across the non-western world disown their western representation

[@kaizerkhan2293]

F***ING GOOOOOLD!!!!! 😂😅🎉

[@JoyoSnooze]

“The actors saying that they felt seen. When, ironically, nobody was watching.” Loved that.

[@The13thRonin]

"FINALLY... PEOPLE CAN SEE WHO I REALLY AM." "Who are you?" "MY (literally) SKIN-DEEP CHARACTERISTICS."

[@arnesahlen2704]

Brilliant statement.

[@Jodie-G198]

Sick burn. 😆

[@curleed85]

It’s like those wokies who cry for “representation” are really wanting self-inserted characters. Velma is basically a self-insert for Mindy Kaling.

[@adammeyer6650]

The modern audience will surely tune in any day now and save Hollywood! Yup, aaaaany day now…

[@iamtheexaggerator2760]

They should triple, quadruple down on the message for the next decade. That will surely bring in the modern audience.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

​@@iamtheexaggerator2760 I'm just gonna say "bring it on!", I have so much old stuff to watch and play I'll never get bored.

[@Grim-Fate]

aaaaaany week now..... aaaaaany month now aaaaaaaaany ye... you get the joke xD

[@HellsFallenAngel1]

If they could only define Modern Audience.

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

Is the Modern Audience in the room with us right now?

[@MarvinPowell1]

I used to think She Hulk: Attorney at Law was literally the worst television show ever made. Then they made Velma. And when I thought _that_ was the worst television show ever made, they made The Acolyte.

[@Hammerhead547]

Those are all horrible, but nothing will ever top SuperTrain from 1979 for the title of "biggest TV disaster of all time". ABC spent $50.000.000 on the pilot only to have it fail so spectacularly on initial broadcast that they spent another $20.000.000 on putting it in turnaround and retooling it into a bit less of a loveboat knockoff. Not that it mattered much because the new version of the show lasted one and a half episodes before being cancelled mid broadcast.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. ECHO CHAMBERLAIN WOKE HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS 2016-2024,

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

​@@Hammerhead54750 million or 50 thousand for a pilot in 1979?

[@josie_the_valkyrie]

2020s peak digging to the bottom.

[@alectong3393]

These shows are equally bad.

[@PatchesMalone]

A KZbin comment I saw some weeks ago said it best ,"They want to appeal to the audience they want, not the one they have." Billions of dollars in lost revenue later finally encouraged them to look in the mirror, smh

[@dapearl1463]

I dunno if looking in the mirror will actually do anything. The industry is run by moral degenerates and rich elite. I honestly don't think the higher ups really believe in it. It's mostly all their front line talking heads and puppets {eg. celebrities). It's just that the rich elites just look down on the rest of unwashed masses and just have no connection to reality or what it's really like for those not in the upper crust. It's really straight up Hunger Games. They'll never really change. I hate to say but is the only way to fix all this a possible hard reset of the industry.

[@jakedizzle]

The Blackrock CEO said you have to force behaviors. They’re trying to force it with movies but people don’t want it.

[@jonaskjerrulf6144]

Look at demographic trends....

[@SunDogGod]

They don’t want to appeal to anything they want to create the audience they want. They are slowly grooming the children of the country to think that’s normal

[@inendlesspain4724]

@@jakedizzle As immensely culturally important as the medium of films is, the vast majority of people won't change their entire worldview just because a whole bunch of mediocre films that've come out in recent years keep beating them over the head with the same message. It's such a ridiculous idea, that only someone who's ídeológically possessed could believe that's how the world works.

[@terenceblakely4328]

I like how they fight injustice with even more injustice. Its never been about justice, its about revenge for real and imagined slights.

"Power and who gets to wield it" (as in The Accolyte) 😸

[@blunelson8226]

And it's why Europa will be far right by the end on the centre.

[@curleed85]

It’s that “ends justify the means“ nonsense, which promotes hatred and prejudice. Those ladies (if you even call him those) who speak from their high horses about “equity“ yet show their own racial hatred and their own misandry are a primary example of wokesters’ hypocrisy.

[@cinemint]

"Hollywood has become too focused on 'the message'. When they indoctrinate me with a worldview that seeks to destroy my way of life, I at least want it to be subtle, so I don't notice it!"

[@ShardsOfNarsil]

My father used to say "if their gonna brainwash us at least use good soap.".

[@alectong3393]

I want political messages from 2024 onwards to be more carefully subtle so as not to alienate half of the intended audience.

[@WokioWolfy]

I feel like "the message" isn't much a culture war thing, but trying to normalize fantasy as reality.

[@teamtundra2619]

No that’s ridiculous

[@sheilaburrowes9081]

That's a terrible idea. If they go back to frog-boiling, they'll succeed in everything in everything they want.

[@ethanmoon3925]

I hate "the message" because it is targeted against me as a conservative. Everyone hates "the message" because it has undermined quality.

[@domm6812]

This is true. I'm centre left and I hate the message. It's ruined all the fictional things from my childhood that I loved. And continues to ruin real life things around me. Echo Chamberlain is right when he says these activists lump us all together, pretending we're all the same when really the opposition to woke ideology is from all walks of life.

[@mr.awesome6011]

​​​@@domm6812 Stop with this center crap. You're a leftist. Admit this and give me my Bidenflation reparations.

[@crazyralph6386]

Me too! It’s getting progressively worse and worse, as witnessed in The Boys S4. Couldn’t even make it past the first episode, it was so in-your-face Conservative bashing.

[@mr.awesome6011]

​@@domm6812 So you're a leftist? You're not fooling anyone

[@Josco83]

I hate it for both reasons.

[@mattwuk]

To sum up, we peaked in the 90s.

[@akirafuto7783]

Eh I’d at least give some credit to the early 2000s too

[@mattwuk]

@@akirafuto7783 OK, I'll have that 👊

[@mfbias4048]

There is a day in Sept 2001 that divides our timeline

[@mattwuk]

@mfbias4048 Agreed

[@BlackBoyKingTV]

As a total society. Now we know what Prince's song 1999 was about.

[@Aristocles22]

4:55 Actually, no. The Hays Code may have been restrictive, but it coincided with the golden age of Hollywood. In other words, it didn't stop the greatest movies of all time from being made. Citizen Kane, Casablanca, It's A Wonderful Life, The Best Days of Our Lives, Singin' In the Rain, High Noon, The Maltese Falcon, The Searchers, Gone With The Wind, The Wizard of Oz, Snow White, Fantasia, Cinderella, Pinocchio, and many, many more were all made under the Hays Code. When wokeness came to power, we got slop like Wish, Furiosa, Men In Black: International, Terminator: Dark Fate, Dark Phoenix, The Marvels, The Eternals, Lightyear, Strange World, the Star Wars "sequels", most recent Star Trek projects, the 2016 "Ghostbusters" atrocity, "Rings of Power", "The Little Mermaid", Dr. Who, Madame Web, Batgirl, "Indiana Jones" 5, "Kenobi", She-Hulk, "Willow", that fake "Halo" show, "Velma", "Peter Pan" and Wendy, The Acolyte, and so on. Sure, we had some good movies, but after 2015, those were the exception, not the rule. The difference is simple. The right simply made a list of all that was forbidden, but anything else was allowed. The left has a list of all that is allowed, and all else is forbidden. The former can be worked around and can lead to subtle expression, while the latter is outright censorship which can't really be circumvented.

[@LW1Tok]

Well said.

[@hermestrismegistus3417]

Interesting summation

[@falconmclenny7284]

Noice

[@Zlagie]

This is an exact reading on the matter. I was quite baffled at his near complete dismissal of Hays code movies.

[@JoshRockolla]

Came here to comment this. Well said.

[@bobkielbasa7500]

I think maybe the "Oscars too white" controversy along with the "me too" movement rattled Hollywood so much that they over corrected to the point of insanity.

[@shadow6543]

They’ve ALWAYS been insane is the point you’re missing.

[@japanesehercules]

Crazy how 8 years feels like 20

[@timhenley3602]

Facts.

[@marcodarko6941]

It sure does.

[@Sev_Auk]

I see your point about conservative values imposing their will on creativity and film making from the 30's through the 60's, but there are still hundreds of great movies from that time period. Conversely, the progressive disaster we've lived through for the last decade has garnered almost none. Quite telling.

[@somethingclever8916]

Hollywood would of the mid 20th century was a meritocracy. One had to work hard and be really good. Problem is we have Hollywood trust fund brats who don't have any real talent or skill. That's just as big as an issue as progressivism.

[@domm6812]

That might be because film making was still in its infancy and there was a swath of creativity and ideas to be explored, even with the constraints. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt now, especially with the extreme risk aversion that pushes them to stick to "proven" intellectual properties to keep income high, and having these societal constraints (woke ideology) on top of that is the straw that broke the camels back. No, conservative prudishness and censorship is just as bad. I lived through the tail end of it in the late 70s/early 80s and they were pretty much as whiney and victimhood obsessed. The main difference back then was there was plenty of push back from the public. People are terrified of being cancelled (threatening your job or making you a social pariah) now the internet rules our lives, which is a very effective way of stifling dissent.

[@MrChickennugget360]

part of it was that film then were longer and also more dialogue and less "Special effects" driven thus lots of films in the 30's 40's and 50's era were very focused on complex plot and dialogue. Movies like "Casablanca" could not be made today. Fewer options back then and longer attention spans. Radio- Movies- books or getting drunk and playing cards (and fucking of course)

[@christopherkelley1664]

@MrChickennugget360 Did you mean to say films back then were shorter? Because they are way longer now than they were in the past.

[@jonavinvail7585]

Not in the mainstream, but there are far better movies in the independent realm

[@fattiger6957]

One thing I think everyone forgets about Ghostbusters 2016 is that everyone was tired of remakes. By that point, we had been force fed over a decade of soulless, corporate trash remakes and reboots, and 90% of them were utter tripe. Robocop, Total Recall, all those slasher remakes in the early 2000s, The Thing, and I know there's many more I can't remember. Many people didn't decide not to see GB2016 because it was a female remake. We just didn't see it because it looked like another garbage remake. It wasn't until the everyone who made the movie decided to market it by insulting everyone and calling them misogynists did the female angle really take over. Had that marketing not happened, it would have been forgotten like the dozens of other bad remakes of 80s classics.

[@danabnormal5988]

A side-by-side review of the remake and the 1984 original reveal why the latter is vastly superior, and it's nothing to do with gender. The remake is a fine example of all that's wrong with modern "comedy" writing. It lacked subtlety, wit, and respect for the audience.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

The Thing 2011 was a prequel, not a remake. Yes, it still was shit but that's like saying God of War 2018 was a reboot when it was the 4th mainline game and a sequel to the whole 6 part Greek saga.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

I'm sick of talking about this, but it always pisses me off that people points to Ghostbusters as pacient zero, but in reality the very first victim was none other than James Bond in Casino Royale, way back in 2006, which makes sense since he used to represent everything Woke wnats to destroy better than any other pop culture character.

[@comradecat3678]

Judge Dredd remake was 10× better then the original though

[@fattiger6957]

@@comradecat3678 Since they are both based off a comic book, I don't consider Dredd a remake of the Stallone movie. It's just another adaptation of the comic.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

You absolutely nailed it on the head when you stated something to the effect of "They seem to want to coerce and shape their audience", and that is exactly what Blackrock has been telling companies to do. Shape and mold them, change their behaviors, their wants, needs, and desires.

[@axiss5840]

I think I remember a word for 'media designed to shape the political views of it's audience'. Gosh I wish I could remember what it was...

[@gamble777888]

It helps with climate change.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

Fortunately, the money pile is not infinite. Our enemies may not face retribution immediately, but when the pile runs out all the Hollyweirds will be left tarnished reputation and box office kryptonite.

[@gamble777888]

@@MachineMan-mj4gj It is virtually infinite, as money is being printed out of thin air and handed out directly to blackrock.

[@Oursisthebreastplatestretcher]

Well, they failed. In the past, they were at least more subtle about it and made it work, but not anymore.

[@nicholasgargano7396]

What gets me is how nobody notices the lack of diversity in the ownership of the Hollywood studios,

[@kurtcameron723]

Just goes to show that "diversity" is completely overrated and not the end all be all.

[@Augh98-nt2zn]

Exactly, almost exclusively jewish.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

noticing that is very dangerous.

[@brandonburnham7831]

It's illegal to notice that, goy.

[@nunuarthas8680]

as a non-native speaker, thank you for keeping my english in shape Echo.

[@nexus_of_a_crisis]

No, you’re only going to learn shockingly bad grammar here; even the Schiller quote was incorrectly rendered. American English is noted for its refusal to recognise ‘an’, conjugate ‘dragged’ as ‘drug’, and magical ability to turn any noun into a verb. New Zealand English refuses to correctly pronounce agreed on words, including but not limited to: Risible Simultaneously Divisiveness Nascent Coven

[@biancaenera2500]

This is AI

[@superplayerex2431]

@@biancaenera2500 You are AI.

[@jagmo]

@superplayerex2431 I am the Walrus.

[@bjornh4664]

@@biancaenera2500 He sounds like that IRL.

[@adamshalashaska5698]

So many years lost. We missed out on great movies and games and now it will take 10 years for entertainment to go back to normal.

[@inendlesspain4724]

I particularly regret what the woke era did to video games. Each new console generation introduced new design conventions that made everything that came before seem like it was made with no common sense in mind and that the game designers of old didn't know what they were even doing. Which, of course, couldn't be farther from the truth, but it really felt that way with how insane the design evolutions were in the span of just a few years. After the early 2010s (which to me was the end of the last golden era in gaming we've ever had), everything started feeling... stagnant, like nobody knew where to take gaming to next. They just kept repeating the same designs from that era, but somehow worse or jankier in execution. I still feel like gaming has plenty of space to grow as a medium, it's not in its ideal state yet, but currently it's going nowhere.

[@BlackBoyKingTV]

Not with Gen Z and Gen Alpha now raised in this bullshit. We are fucked. Millenials and Gen X have to save the country and hollywood.

[@tedmack1945]

It haunts me that we could’ve had such a great era in entertainment if identity politics never made its way into movies and tv shows.

[@gerrade71278]

Great entertainment aspires to be beyond normal. Normal is part of the problem.

[@ricosuavementee]

@@BlackBoyKingTVmillennials lol? They were the ones who started this crap and nobody gaf gen x

[@danielberg5049]

You have taken my inarticulate anger and sadness and turned them into art. Thank you.

[@balthazarasquith]

Your description of Rian Johnson is hilarious, can't stop laughing. What a wordsmith you are, I doth my cap at thee 😅😊

[@OceanGateEngineer4Hire]

*doff, not doth 😉

[@mutleylaugh]

*to, not at

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

I immediately had to listen to that again!

[@MrChickennugget360]

doth is an archaic way to say "do" so unless you are fucking your cap in appreciation it should be doff. However, in the event that you are fornicating with your hat in appreciation my hat is off to you. Please don't try to fuck it.

[@balthazarasquith]

@@Nyet-Zdyes I had as well lol

[@shanicestella2226]

At Decades 90's to early 2000's , When I was a youngling Non-American kiddo and at that time consuming American media , it feels so Utopianic feel on it But as I grows up to be a skeptic minded adult I becoming questioning American entertaiment landscape with a question that pops in my head “ Are they gonna entertain me in genuine way or simply just lecturing me ?” I Don't need a lecture but i need a creative entertaiment "

[@Kevin_Street]

The 90's to the early 2000's is pretty much the era of DVDs. (And Blu Ray.) Many films were made for niche audiences, because the production companies knew they would eventually make a profit from sales of physical media. There was more time for audiences to discover films after they left theaters. Today everything is so front loaded. Films have at most a few weeks to make a profit in theaters, or they become bombs. And if they bomb in the theater no one will see them when they come to streaming.

[@GreenKnight2001]

The Message is still in full swing. Just check out the Olympics opening farce.

[@Crow12619]

I think the argument here isn't that it's going away, but that it's no longer profitable

[@BlackBoyKingTV]

​@@Crow12619its needs to GO AWAY

[@SnakesAndFunerals]

Your generous and forgiving re-appraisal of Rian Johnson is far beyond what I am capable of. You are an inspiration.

[@gerrade71278]

Haha

[@gibbletboy]

It is a shame that Hollywood producers, writers and marketers do not apply the same level of effort, creativity and wit that clearly went into making this video. You are a maestro of metaphor!

[@Chrismw81]

When in doubt, just update an older property for a modern audience. Meanwhile, modern audience already LIKED what you're trying to update and never had a problem with it before. Now youre losing your faithful audience and not even gaining a new one.

[@fattiger6957]

And another thing Hollywood doesn't understand is that the younger generations have no attachment to franchises from the 80s. Millennials and Gen X'ers can be baited by nostalgia, but Gen Z and Gen Alpha have no nostalgia for those thing. Those generations really have nothing of their own. Maybe that's why they would rather watch tictok and people play minecraft than films and shows.

[@mrclean2224]

​@@fattiger6957it makes sense, im a millenial and have basically replaced traditional media completely cause its all become 97% sloppy samey garbage. imagine growing up and thats what you get for tv and movies, just a bunch of boring crap treating you like youre stupid.

[@SpruceCampbell]

I hold 2013's Frozen as a major landmark for Disney's turn to woke extremism. They didn't show all their cards at the time, but there are many signs within that movie.

[@МаксимЛяшко-и3ъ]

Glad I’m not the only one who’d noticed.

[@awsome182]

The last truly good Disney movie was Tangled.

[@SpruceCampbell]

@@awsome182 agreed

[@Shah-of-the-Shinebox]

That movie is overrated AF.

[@SpruceCampbell]

@@Shah-of-the-Shinebox werd

[@helpmeiaminhell]

This garbage "entertainment" is what pushed me right of the political aisle. Oh and the rampant crime in America.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Voting for Republicans will not cause American entertainment to shift rightward; if anything, a second Trump victory will provoke an even more rabid leftist backlash. Your best bet is to vote for a conservative Democrat and stay home to watch TV airings and video recordings of older entertainments.

[@robsan52]

​@@SeasideDetective2Yeah that makes sense but the joy of watching wokist neo-lib activists losing their mind is too wonderful to miss...well, except for the ever screeching hysterics that is but even that can be tolerated for the tears lol

[@yurikendal4868]

Trump got in. Thats going to be fun​@@SeasideDetective2

[@HereTakeAFlower]

​@@SeasideDetective2 wasn't the election Trump vs Harris? Where's the conservative democrat there?

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@HereTakeAFlower You go outside the binary system. I did.

[@FanniSarosi]

As a hungarian girl, I am hopeful this nightmare will end soon.

[@BasedPajeet]

Oh its just getting started , and i dont mean that to taunt you in any way . Europe is going to collapse because of immigration.

[@waltervanlille2263]

As a South African man; ditto.

[@ramsa01Yt]

🚺🦞

[@Jodie-G198]

Even here in the States, I can't wait for entertainment to wake from this nightmare.

[@susivarga7303]

At least we as a country were more or less left out of it. We just had to unsubscribe and carry on living normally.

[@davehandelman2832]

It's been a GODDAMN miserable decade. We ALL want our heroes back. This is magnificently spot on.

[@LittlePhizDorrit]

I don't think its equivalent to compare the Hays code and modern identity requirements. Yes, they both limited film, but there were still great films between the 30s and 60s with amazing stories, dialogue, and characters. It forced writers to be clever when they wanted to depict sex, alphabet, and other such ideas. Forcing feminist, open alphabet rainbow, and race representation into every film ironically more severely limits story and character options as well as making films less appealing. It has been said many times: The great films of the past could not be made under today's ideology, while modern films could be made (albeit using coding and clever dialogue) under the Hays code.

[@sheilaburrowes9081]

Yeah, it's a misapplication of horseshoe theory. If Echo has a flaw, it's that he attempts to represent two sides in an attempt to appear more balanced, but nobody opposed to him is going to change their mind based on his concessions.

[@chrispollard341]

I would say it really began a year earlier with The Force Awakens.

[@djblackprincecdn]

Same

[@MrChickennugget360]

i don't agree. Force Awakens was not overt enough. it was just another reboot but the whole thing escalated after Ghost Busters- particularly the gas lighting and attacking audiences. That was the first time where it became normal to attack the fan base for not liking the film it was the first time where the media lied and try to claim that the box office bomb was a success. It was the start of the battle between "audience scores" and "critics" Besides the conflict to a lesser extent has been going on for many years- remember the big fight about Fury Road in 2014? But it was on the side lines back then. Force Awakens were more of a major popular film that had detractors and later many who liked the Film in 2015 changed their minds.

[@totally100darthvader7]

Looking back, it was definitely the start, but at the time it didn’t feel like that, and I actually enjoyed it and was excited to see the next one so i could have some loose ends tied. Why? Because Hollywood was still pumping out good stuff. Unfortunately, it started tumbling down and The Last Jedi didn’t do anything I was hoping it’d do.

[@FunPicard]

Yeah, and it's likely that film along with Captain Marvel emboldened studios through their apparent success at the box office. What they didn't seem to realise is that both of these films were coasting on the established interest of their respective franchises - something that would very quickly wane as customers realised this was more than a momentary diversion from what they actually wanted.

[@shcdemolisher]

It was the calm before the storm.

[@agarthastudio6005]

"While sitting alongside former AmEx CEO Kenneth I. Chenault in a resurfaced 2017 New York Times interview, Fink revealed BlackRock would "force behaviors" on "gender or race" and threatened impacts to compensation if (removed to try & prevent censorship) weren't met. "Behaviors are gonna have to change and this is one thing were asking companies. You have to force behaviors, and at BlackRock we are forcing behaviors," the CEO said." They are doing social engineering. They have continued to do this in spite of losing millions of dollars, because they have the trillions of BlackRock supporting them.

[@BlackBoyKingTV]

Been saying it since day 1. I said either the government (CIA), the Chinese CCP or major investors were subsidizing the losses so they can keep forcing this on us.

[@The13thRonin]

"You have not seen... What I have seen." "What have you seen?" "The death of meritocracy."

[@KenMasters.]

For 9 straight years, they never learned their errors. This is what pride will do to a person!

[@BlackBoyKingTV]

They knew exactly what they were doing

[@keithfilibeck2390]

Its ideology, there is no "learning" for them.

[@Key-fe3gg]

EC’s love of Rian Johnson and body positivity really shine through here

[@mxvega1097]

Further point: representation on screen DOES NOT change society. For real, it does not have the slightest measurable impact. And yet it's a touchstone of identity politics. Society, and individuals, foster representation on screen. This is the organic reality, aka The 90s.

[@BlazingOwnager]

2016 - 5th gear 2020 - 6th gear 2024 - Hurling into a wall at 300mph

[@WokioWolfy]

This whole thing feels less of a culture war with identity politics and more about people wanting to make fantasies, stereotypes, fetishes and bad behavior a reality. This whole thing is just to do whatever they want without negative repercussions and whoever says they do bad, just deflect their critiques with gaslighting.

[@Michellex1]

This is not getting nearly the attention it deserves. Superbly done.

[@thevoxdeus]

It always cracks me up when I see writers, directors, actors, etc explain that a particular product is "not for" some demographic (such as middle-aged white dudes) with no awareness that the cost / price of the thing they are making is very hard to sustain with a niche audience. It's okay to make movies or shows that are only "for" a limited audience, but then it had better *really* land with that audience or it better be made for a modest cost. This attitude is doubly weird when they're creating based on a well-established IP with an existing audience. If you're creating a Star Wars movie or show, then you should feel pretty uneasy with the idea that it's "not for" your core fans.

[@Holydiver88]

It's really funny. They want to make indie projects with a mega blockbuster ip budget. And they both tell white men not to watch the projects they make and then cry when no one watches and they lose 100s of millions. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot😅😅😅

[@keithfilibeck2390]

they don't care, they are Post-Modernist Progressive Leftists, burning Elite people and Corpo money is considered virtuous, in failure they are just as successful, at least in their minds.

[@andrewbrennan2891]

Don't have Queen Anne Boleyn portrayed by a black women because it makes you, as a writer/ show runner feel you are pushing boundries, write/develop decent shows were race isn't important or where it would be silly to portray the lead as anything other than a black person.

[@fattiger6957]

It also implies that black people don't have their own history, so lazy Hollywood types just have to co-opt European history. But that's the norm nowadays. All the racebent characters are nothing but handmedown heroes. Can't succeed by being yourself? Just copy white, straight men.

[@Imnotgivingmynametoamachine]

I have this feeling that wokeness is about to die. This year, Sweet Baby inc destroyed every game it touched. Several studios have closed or had mass layoffs, and the big studios are waking up to that fact. Then, with the release of Deadpool and Wolverine, Disney is finally making money again. The tides are turning. Movie studios and and game studios cant just lose money forever, no matter how much black rock gives them. Also, if you really want this to change, do not buy Assassains Creed Shadows or Star Wars Outlaws. If gamers destroy an entire triple a studio, the message will be crystal clear. End this woke garbage or your studio dies. We can do it, y'all. It isn't even that hard. Just dont spend your money. Apes together strong.

It has been suggested some years ago that Hollywood would take a nosedive and publicity and media would center on politicians as celebrities and politics as theatre. By Jay Dyer. Thus far he seems to have been right.

[@jasperwilliams9619]

Nicely said

[@keithfilibeck2390]

wrong, it has only just begun to escalate, you have seen nothing, the violence hasn't even really started, this, what you are seeing now, is the metaphorical pacing a predator does before pouncing, working itself up for the kill.

[@Melchiah28]

The contrast between Echo Chamberlain’s well-articulated voice and his extremely vulgar way of describing these woke actors and film makers is hillariously funny.

[@Silenthero66]

Can we stop with this cope. It's not over. It's only just beginning. Mark my words; nothing will change.

[@DigimontamerB]

Agreed

[@tunnelsnakesrule7541]

It almost always changed after similar incidents.

[@teptime]

@@tunnelsnakesrule7541 There are no similar incidents.

[@victora.1329]

It's the end of the beginning

Sad but true. Deconstruction, inversion, subversion are both aim and method. One could interpret the taking down of statues as a writing on the wall IMO.

[@FUh_Que_-]

"Satanic black magic sick shit"- Paulie Walnuts

[@JoakimOtamaa]

More like black gal magic. - Samuel L. Jackson

[@sameersheriff7078]

Still the era hasnt ended though !!!😑

[@racheljames7]

I love that scene in the Sopranos! 😂

[@toothgrinder2760]

@@racheljames7 “It’s like an ad for a weight-loss center. Before, and _way before.”_ LMAO

[@Timic83tc]

Optimistic to think they will change after 2024.

[@odtheman1]

Basically it’s a failed poorly executed MK-ULTRAing of average movie theatre visitors to just forget that objectively great entertainment existed.

[@unstablesyn1306]

MK-ULTRA without the free drugs

[@BrutusMcCrunch]

Or abundant sex

[@CHDanhauser]

This video was sheer perfection! Thank you! Been a long-time fan!

[@EchoChamberlain]

Thank you, Sir, appreciate it!

[@MrCroky123]

The text is unbelievably unbiased and pertinent. An exception in this politicized mainstream media, where most people are really ignorant regarding this issues at hand. Mindlessly choosing sides. You really know how to express yourself in the most proper manner. I stand with your opinion.

[@ciaranmurren]

I fear Disney would rather loose money and educate the next generation. Under current management.

[@stellviahohenheim]

Black Rock have more money than they know what to do with. What they want is pretend to be god and try to shape humanity as they see fit

[@fattiger6957]

Little does Disney realize that, even if they buy 100% into the woke fad, the next generation would rather watch tiktoc and twitch streamers than shows and movies. Kids have no attachment to these franchises. All the IP Hollywood is so dependent on was created over 30 years ago. Millennials, Gen X'ers and even some Boomers have nostalgia, and therefore emotional attachment, to them. But modern kids don't relate to them.

[@BlazingOwnager]

They never *really* lost money. Every loss was on projects insured by ESG money meaning they got so much of it back, they made more from failure than success. The key ingredient missing from this retrospective. They have everyone arguing so much about surface level stuff nobody questions the actual scheme.

[@mr.awesome6011]

Z​@@fattiger6957 As someone who fits into this age group. I am praying for the day that the 80's and 90's can finally end once and for all.

[@FunPicard]

Definitely, although that's due more to Iger and friends not wanting to admit fault. I fully expect the Iger Company will moderate the identitarianism in an effort to give Iger the ability to declare victory before finally departing his office. He's a vain man, likely also surprised identitarianism wasn't popular with audiences. He doesn't want to leave a smoking ruin in his wake, then have somebody new come in and turn the company around. He wants to leave on a high, and even he knows what they've been doing is failing.

[@Metoki-cq2sf]

The script you wrote for this video was outstanding. I love that you started with a history lesson about the Hays code and now the current obsession with everything but great writing. Subscribed 😊

[@Papamarmottin]

Well put, serious! I love it. Thank you for all the hard work you put into this. It shines!

[@ajs6588]

Identity politics is terrible for culture

[@DataBattlesZ2087]

I think it’s good

[@PeenieLinguine]

This is really well-made, and I appreciate your outlook on the slow encroachment of the intersectionalist dogma that plagues current Hollywood.

[@xTheMenaceHimselfx]

A based Omori fan? You're a damn holy grail

[@achannell362]

I can't imagine trying to introduce my kids to things like Star Trek or Star Wars these days. The old stuff is amazing, but also...old, so they will want to see the new stuff. How am I supposed to show them this current schlock?

[@JoakimOtamaa]

Just tell them that only the old stuff is worth our short time alive to spend time watching.

[@achannell362]

@@JoakimOtamaa 😆

[@BlazingOwnager]

I think the bigger thing is that America is badly culturally stagnant. I just watched Spaceballs again for the first time in like, well over a decade. You know what hit me the most? Nearly every single franchise they are making fun of in that movie is still being rehashed today; the ONLY reference that actually ended up dated was Dot Matrix. It was almost like a realization moment, that we've created very, very few things of cultural importance since the early 80s, with some exception in the 90s. Even seemingly new things like the MCU are based on 40 year old comics. Almost all modern music remixes songs from 20-30 years ago, too. It's honestly depressing.

[@PMZaphod]

Don't be afraid, I watch the old disney movies with my son and he absolutely loves them. Quality is timeless. Next week is Aladdin

[@achannell362]

@@PMZaphod Oh, the animated movies never really age. I more meant live action. Think Empire versus Acolyte 😅

[@gregdavidl647]

Mate the way you explain is so educated and eloquent. It’s like honey to my ears. Glorious.

[@bjornh4664]

I'm happy my wife and I own an extensive collection of DVDs and Blurays from before the Woke era. We're not dependent on streaming services for our entertainment.

[@georgeray1906]

I too got DVDs of entertainment before the Woke era and is still collect them to this day.

[@blade_of_peace_tls7658]

Excellent video, With an inspiringly entertaining panache, you've outlined almost the entirety of the problems and major points of 10 years of muddled, monstrous storytelling failure in only 40 minutes. This is going to be a favorite of many people for a long time. Cheers, and God bless you!

[@webuser5748]

Echo hitting hard on this one. Enjoying it a lot. Presentism! I did not even know such concept had a name!

[@Marinealver]

GamerGate was in 2014, so the "politics" were long before that.

[@Bauglir100]

I say it started when Black Lives Matter became a thing.

[@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS]

Absolutely, GG was certainly the "ground zero" for the impact for mainstream culture being undermined.

[@Bauglir100]

@@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS Nah, it started with BLM.

[@gamble777888]

@@Bauglir100 In terms of having media radically adhere to identity politics I do think GG was a big turning point.

[@Bauglir100]

@@gamble777888 True, but BLM was when the activist freaks really started making themselves known.

[@Jimenycricket135]

Despot of Antrim sent me here. I’ve watched every minute. What a laugh! Thanks

[@dr.manhattan6278]

Take a deep breath and get used to it. America will never go back to what it once was

[@shadowchaser3836]

Well, yeah, societies always change over time. If they didn’t I wouldn’t have a job. Or, do you mean something else?

[@enriquecarro8413]

Brilliant essay and compilation of all this shyte. After this, and enjoying your collaborations at the Drinker's Open Bar, you won a subscription. Keep the good work!

[@John_Candy]

Still trying to figure out how these companies can lose a seemingly endless amount of money and remain solvent. We are in a post-reality reality

[@rogierb5945]

They get it from investment firms who are in turn financed by us, the people. We are paying for our own shitty entertainment.

[@Justmonika6969]

ESG, these people are paid to produce this trash because ESG favors progressive politics.

[@John_Candy]

@@rogierb5945 Disney stock price is down 25% since 2020.

[@mfbias4048]

Look into Blackrock and their ESG policy. Then it will make alot more sense, in that they are trying to ideologically shape the world. Why? Probably have to look at the IMF and Davos, a vassal for the club of Rome to see whats been going.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@rogierb5945 even bleaker, we aren't paying for it directly, its all interest debt, we are paying partially on the interest, the debt we are accruing in this, and many other places, can never, ever be paid off, the entire point is to create an entire series of nations sold into servitude the likes of which has never been seen before.

[@Resijew]

Sir, your use of simile and tortured metaphors is second to none. You do our country proud Mr Chamberlain

[@MrDj232]

The countdown timer turning "REMAKE" into "FEMAKE" was hilarious. I highly doubt that was intentional, but if you did somehow align that on purpose congratulations on being infinitely more clever than me.

[@Shadowdaddy87]

You are a modern-day Shakespeare. You're way with words is absolutely beautiful.

[@Matt620]

While it's an animated movie, I remember when Sophie was created for the Anastasia movie. She was a big woman, but she was a warm hearted individual, had a deep love of one of the heroes, and treated Anastasia out to a lovely night. And of course, being voiced by Bernadette Peters helped. No one mentioned she was a large woman. She did in fact use it as part of comic gags, but it was primarily slapstick fun. And everyone loved her.

[@Cabrono]

She was also treated like a normal beautiful woman. (I hate the term BBW lol). Sophie is a great example of "body diversity." She was a person first and foremost and her size was an afterthought.

[@cmfort2696]

Here's proof you don't have to appeal to a tiny specific audience: When I was about ten, My three favorite movies were: Boys in the hood, New Jack City, and Juice. I was ten; white; and, in white bread Arizona USA, with typical 80's parents. Thank you to my adult neighbors for stealing cable and crossing the lines to be able to watch, and tape, record those movies.

[@user-et6xw6fu1q]

Haha, same here. My favorite things as a little white girl were In Living Color, Martin, rap and pro wrestling. Pretty sure I wasn’t the target demographic for literally any of those things.

[@Sidera17]

I have never in my life related so hard to a Jaws metaphor. These types of commentary have kept my sanity and hope that we will emerge on the other side of this madness in both pop culture as well as a preservation of human expressive craft.

[@RabbiRabbit87]

Echo has become my favorite of all these channels him and the despot are great and Im always waiting for the new one. The longer the better

[@richardfurback2423]

Great video and commentary. Your bit on Rian Johnson had me cracking up.

[@Marcawesome56]

How does this only have 85k views ? Great vid.

[@merlcycle8058]

Sir, You have performed a great service to mankind!

[@Ramansdo3s]

I heard that if Lizzo's mass reaches a certain critical point, the universe will implode in a rain of particles.

[@FunPicard]

I'd suggest physicists look to her to explain why the universe appears to have less matter than their theories predict it should have. There's no need to theorise about dark matter and other such nonsense when the answer to the question is there in front of them, sitting on a chair carrying a load greater than anything Atlas had to manage.

[@pavelh.4515]

This video is very deep and well-researched. Echo, you're an awesome commentator and I love your visits to the Critical Drinker's Bar! Hope your channel picks up steam and keep up the great work :) I would only add that the unfortunate state in video games/TV we're in is in part also due to the morals of the creators. People say that the the work of the authors and their creators should be separated but you can very easily spot what values they want to impart. Tales and books are also teaching experiences and have been since the dawn of time, the problem is that the morals of the Left who run the current entertainment industry simply don't reflect 70-80% of their audience and hence they're not in actuality representing true diversity as most of us have somewhat or entirely diametrical moral compass to them and the more they dig in with their politics, the more detached they'll be from the rest of us and I simply don't see this changing any time soon.

[@g.v.6450]

Just to be clear: I’m not burned out on superheros, I’m burned out on woke.

[@obi_dean]

That she hulk clip of her not controlling her anger talking about controlling anger gets me every time 😂😂😂😂😂

[@LimitedCheetah]

Garret from Community: This is not over! This is still happening! Crisis alert!

[@EchoChamberlain]

I agree - tonnes of shit yet to come, but I'm daring to hope we've passed the high-water mark of it. Perhaps I was born foolish, but I'm optimistic.

[@greendaleforever]

HOPEFULLY not the Community movie itself...

[@paulcrawford9007]

This video was great, and I was shocked that you actually did address Ghostbusters 2016, I thought it was going to be a tease until the end.

[@MikeGeeks]

Great essay- I love the work and creativity you put into your videos! Thanks for a great watch!

[@normsti000]

It's pretty simple, if it doesn't entertain.... it isn't entertainment. If I want lectured, I'll go to church.

[@jogregg6442]

Brilliant, informative, and greatly appreciated. Thank you, Echo.

[@Bigtunaproductions09]

I'm embarrassed to admit how much i appreciated those rest breaks in the middle of the woke whinging montage

[@leomonk974]

This is some of the most accurate and funniest takes I’ve ever heard, thank you for the video

[@mtndewisawesome3951]

I genuinely blame identity politics for why I became a right winger in the first place.

[@aguywhocanfly1335]

Same here, although the main reason for that is bc the political pendulum has swung so damn far to the left that the Center has become the Right... As evidence just believing there are only 2 genders now makes us "Right Wing Extremeists" to the woke morons...

[@bakermayfield6hunnitdan6er24]

How have I never seen your channel before? Pausing to comment after the “rest break” moment @~ 23:00 but so far there’s been so many little things sprinkled in that just make the video much more watchable. Nice 👍

[@DeistPaladin]

I would personally take it back further than 2016. Star Wars TFA with its Mary Sue self-insert from KK came out in 2015. The earliest foreshadowing of that coming era was in 2003 with the release of T3. Here, we witnessed our first legacy male character, John Connor, broken down into a shadow of his former self and upstaged by a female replacement.

[@Sidera17]

I remember when a few of my friends returned home from college (maybe 2007-2009 or so?), they had become WokeScolds and started trying to correct everyone about everything. I naively assumed it was personality idiosyncrasies at that point causing them to adopt some random Liberal Studies course material and taking it a step too far. Way to miss the warning signs.

[@DeistPaladin]

@@Sidera17 these things always start quietly enough and we can only see them clearly in hindsight. Like remember "V for Vendetta". I remember this strange 60-second-product-placement ad for the Koran delivered by, oddly enough, Stephen Fry. I remember thinking, "OK, that's weird. That's just thrown in there for no reason."

[@pistolbobcat420]

Valid points, T3 didn't need to exist and was just the beginning of sequels that utterly demolish the perfect ending we already have

[@ErikCB912]

This era was also the death of comedy films. The last good comedy movie made was 22 Jump Street in 2014.

[@andycopeland7051]

Phenomenal video. Well articulated

[@gerrade71278]

"The ... great paradox. People felt seen, eventhough no one was watching." Probably butchered it, but that was a great comment.

[@AKATenn]

how i always thought of it is like "if you have a message you want to tell people, they will not hear it unless you say it in a way that makes people want to hear it" and they've done nothing but be patronizing and offensive in their methods of telling us their message, I've gone to like 3 movies in the theater in the last 10 years, they've made me actively avoid their message.

[@arrow2044]

You sir are the defining voice of the common man! Finally someone to insult the institute that has insulted loyal fan bases with years of filth! Bravo sir!! Keep the videos coming!

[@Wolfman1491]

If only the current Hollywood Crop of Talentless Hacks had the self awareness to recognize they will most likely go down in history as heralding the most laughably bad era in Film History. Generations will look back and snicker at what these people vomited onto screens in earnest effort, without realizing everybody was cringing at their ineptitude.

[@Tubeflux]

Thanks echo! Wonderfully written and performed a video made in the maps house and other Hollywood studios that are alike

[@JBob-qv2fd]

"They'll try again....a year from now, ten, they'll swing back to the belief that they can make people better." I am afraid to say, you are probably jumping the gun. This is only the beginning. It's only going to get worse

[@animesjogoseseriesclassica8282]

I think that worst is part is how willing they are to ruin classic stories and characters to promote their new ones. No respect for the past at all.

[@Jimmie2429]

Who the f*ck wants to see themselves and see reality and see how the world is today in sci fi and fantasy shows and movies? We love sci fi/fantasy because it is an escape from those things.

[@AngelisaHassan]

I want to see black people in more fantasy movies.

[@Tai_Fung]

Terrific work as always EC.

[@Hazamandeous]

A Jerome Simpson front flip over Karlos Dansby highlight was NOT on my bingo card for Echo today. But here we are. And frankly, im here for it.