Echoes of Wisdom Any% Speedrun in

[@thijsdeboer6968]

Classic zelda speedrun. 40 minutes of regular gameplay followed by an insane wrong warp to the end followed by more normal gameplay.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

The A Link to the Past speedrun is way shorter, you clip yourself right at the beginning out of bounds to reach Ganon and instead of fighting you walk past him to take the Triforce away from him

[@WoodymC]

Gymnast last Friday: _"I probably won't do any actual speedruns of this game."_ 4 days later: _(WR in

[@CosmosProvider]

well it had the WR for about a minute ^^'

[@vault8341]

The goat

[@MichaelSchwartzJazz]

sub 1 hour?? Alright where are the shenanigans? 39:47: I've found the shenanigans

[@lajeandom]

how the f do they find these shenanigans?! haha

[@Imperial_Squid]

​​@@lajeandomlots of glitches happen by "confusing" the game in some way, and the most common way to confuse a game is to get it to put you in two "states" at the same time. In this case it's being in the states of picking an echo, and voiding you out. The void out occurs, but it incorrectly gives you control of Zelda back, despite you being in the echo menu, so now you can move around with the menu open. From there it's just about experimenting and seeing what stuff breaks due to you messing about with the game states. (Glitches can also involve stuff like going out of bounds and memory manipulation, but messing with game states is pretty common so it's a good starting point when glitch hunting) (Fyi, also not a speedrunner, though I do code and watch a lot of speedrun tech videos, I'm not an expert so pitch of salt etc etc)

[@qb4428]

Well, well, well, look who came crawling back for more. I knew you couldn't resist peahat allure for long.

[@CosmosProvider]

What kind of speedrunner discovers game breaking glitches and then doesn't even try a full run with it and lets everybody else get a WR? It couldn't be helped 🤣

[@stranger0987]

Theres gotta be a category for this game for minimum echoes used like in minimum captures in Mario Odyssey

[@Wildspeck]

Echos created or learned?

[@stranger0987]

@@Wildspeck learned

[@salmonbamminfish2925]

Bed only run goes hard

[@UnFuzed_]

Min is 2 at the moment. It's only 2 because we need the echo menu for pause storage.

[@salmonbamminfish2925]

@@UnFuzed_ it’s two because you absolutely need bed and table to escape the prison

[@jckf]

00:00 -> 12:00 Intro 12:00 -> 39:45 Pretty normal 39:45 -> 41:05 Wrong warp 41:05 -> 47:30 Null's body 47:30 -> 59:05 Final boss battle 59:05 -> 1:03:07 Cut scenes

[@glenndenhertog8418]

this speedrun without cutscenes be like sub 20 hahah

[@CosmosProvider]

loooool true, wrong warp doesn't help either. Really not much playing going on, doesn't make for a compelling watch but still impressive that gymnast found wrong warp week 1.

[@4203105]

​@@CosmosProvider all dungeons and 100% of this will be fun though.

[@Big_Dai]

@@CosmosProvider He found it?

[@dinglerd]

nice run! Linkus just did 57:14 about 1 minute after this was uploaded :D. What a fun race

[@RizPlaysYTgaming]

Are you sure he did cause there's no video

[@Tyler-ub2gq]

@@RizPlaysYTgamingYes, he was streaming earlier.

[@dinglerd]

​@@RizPlaysYTgaming videos/2264470785?t=10h20m03s

[@4203105]

​@@RizPlaysYTgaming you should be able to find it on his twitch.

[@SomeChristianGuy9]

​@@Tyler-ub2gqAhh ok I'll bet it'll be a video later then I'm subbed to him

[@CosmosProvider]

When wrong warping was first discovered in OOT my mind was blown at the possibilities for speedrunning. Now each time wrong warping is discovered in a new game i'm like "Yup, that's going to be a boring speedrun".

[@CosmosProvider]

Don't get me wrong tho, very impressed that you already routed a somewhat optimized run. I would appreciate if someone could tell me what is up at 44:15? I don't get why you need to throw the rock and save manip in order to have the switch triggered but loading at the entrance of the room. Is it not possible to come back from that platform at that precise moment with the items you have? Or is it for other manipulations?

[@DesTr069]

If you find wrong warps boring, that’s fine, but that’s why there’s usually separate categories on the leaderboard

[@CosmosProvider]

@@DesTr069 My point was, wrong warping is the same regardless of the game. Except if you've never seen or heard about it, there's a point where it stops being entertaining. And i'm sad that every any% category that implies wrong warping quickly becomes redundant and uninteresting. Wrong warp generally is the quickest but it's also the least entertaining thing to watch after a while.

[@CosmosProvider]

Anyway, i was talking about the impact of wrong warping on the any% category regardless of the game. Not wrong warping in and on itself.

[@liruenth]

@@CosmosProvider It looked to me that the wrong warp messed up Link's behavior pretty badly and this weird save strat was used to fix him for this series of rooms.

[@SomeChristianGuy9]

I mean as much as this is awesome, I think Im also excited for the more intended strat speedruns where it doesnt just wrong warp to the end but who knows :P

[@salmonbamminfish2925]

Yeah because of the wrong warp the any% speedrun is pretty much just normal gameplay until past 1st dungeon. Then one single glitch the wrong warp and ending with doing final dungeon underpowered

[@TheAlecPowers]

As soon as I noticed spinning was faster than walking I thought "Yep. Speedrunners are going to be doing this for their whole runs" 😂

[@avalonfour8054]

The new arm pump.

[@harper.la.vegano]

Omg me too haha. I just started playing the other day and realized that spinning was going to be my main way of getting around.

[@YouTrolol]

30 minutes getting out of the starting area, 10 minutes getting to the final boss, 20 minutes fighting the final boss. crazy

[@orangejuice7156]

It's fascinating to see the game being beaten in less than an hour despite it being released so recently. Very impressive performance guys

[@CosmosProvider]

Well every speedrunner was aware the game would be broken just by the promotional footages. The mechanics specific to this Zelda title were screaming speedrun way before the game came out. This was totally expected ^^

[@drifloonsupremacyassociation]

i keep forgetting i can grab stuff with tri so i stared at the triforce piece wondering how tf to get it out. You can imagine i did not use tri the whole fight

[@slowdragon3023]

Same!!! 😭 it was only after the end that I realized I was probably supposed to use tri in the main fight... would have felt a bit more satisfying to actually do something

[@thecreatorofpc7929]

How would you’ve done it without Tri? Can you just hit the arms and not need to pull them out?

[@drifloonsupremacyassociation]

@@thecreatorofpc7929 yes. I spammed octorocks the whole fight

[@slowdragon3023]

@@thecreatorofpc7929 yup. It takes forever but eventually works

[@Xmanant03_Mr03]

There’s a speed run of this already?! This I got to see!

[@pasu2k]

I held off on watching this because I was still playing, but I just beat the game, it took me 21 hours. Let's see how you did it in 59 minutes lol Edit: Ah, I never used the signpost in my playthrough for anything lol. Who knew it has such strange powers :P

[@theenlightenedhour5461]

Nice one! I’m hoping for a HD upload of Occarina of Time 3D glitchless soon🍃😌

[@NyanCato.42]

Less than an hour actually. GGs on the first sub 1 hour

[@CosmosProvider]

when your comment was posted, i wasn't anymore and it even was beaten by 2 minutes ^^

[@NyanCato.42]

@@CosmosProvider The description says "will probably be beaten in less than a day", and it took less than an hour

[@natenuhring8051]

12 minute intro is killer

[@spike333s3]

Start at 0:17 2:28 Final Boss 3:16 GG 5:26 Echoes of Wisdom -Zelda has just started her own game. 7:48 Imprison -Princess must be capture. Father takes the action this time. 10:50 Tri Rod -Princess must be release. Zelda does it herself this time. 13:24 Disguises 17:01 Adventure -I stop here because I still didn't play yet.

[@PixelNose]

Hey, I just finished the game yesterday and found a weird thing during the final boss. Not sure if this is already known... Right at the beginning of the underwater phase I was able to Z-target a thing at the bottom left corner of the screen. Then I pressed X in order to pull something from there. I was presented with a black screen and the prompt to mash A (just like the prompt at the ending of the fight 59:05). In that moment I seemed to softlock myself, but I could imagine that you somehow can use that glitch to trigger the last cutscene and skipping the last two boss phases with that. I am not a glitch hunter, nor a speedrunner though, so idk :D

[@Big_Dai]

Video proof, buddy!

[@PixelNose]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/naaUm2d3pc10i5o

[@Molten2004]

Never seen it, so idk if this is true

[@ninjahaz0180]

Congrats!

[@blinks1159]

Great speed run. I would like to see someone speed run it without using these type of glitches though. An honourable speed run is what I want to see. There are plenty of shortcuts you can take in the game to get where you need to go. Shortcuts on treetops, spiders to crawl up mountain sides etc. I managed to skip the entire freezing cold area of Hebra Mountain by spider climbing up the bottom mountain face to get directly to that abominable snowman dudes house.

[@itzvance]

Echoes of Bedge

[@Matt23488]

More than 25% of the speedrun is the opening sequence...

[@Big_Dai]

Present-day Nintendo..

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Sounds about right if the past few games are something to go by

[@baphnie]

Thoughts and prayers for an intro skip

[@WoodymC]

Amen

[@kdavous]

When you got the game over, how were you able to restart half way through the null battle?

[@gymnast86]

By wrong warping into Nulls Body we skip the over trigger that normally prevents auto saving during the final boss fight. So the game ends up autosaving after each phase of the fight in the run.

[@WoodymC]

@@gymnast86 Nice bonus to the wrong warp.

[@Tustin2121]

I’m curious if this same trigger is what makes Link inexplicably not appear in the walking-only rooms of Nulls Body? Seems like a weird thing to make conditional. Edit: Also, I love the hilarious T-posing Null moment as the room was loading after the game over. Love the peek behind the curtain you get sometimes when these glitches happen.

[@Awesomekidme]

It's interesting how, after the wrong warp, Link isn't using his bow! Normal gameplay, Link used it frequently for me, so this implies that Link actually uses the gear that you have saved, and the programmers accounted for the possibility of you not being able to give it to him. I wonder what he would do if, for a theoretical wrong warp, you show up at the end game before you pick up his sword?

[@UnFuzed_]

Link does use the level of the equipment you had and any items you had so it does check your inventory.

[@echocolatowo]

The goal, congrats on the sub hour :)

[@mattshu]

love that you've been playing Metroid Prime too :3

[@HenrikMyrhaug]

Doesn't destroying null's arms with captured Tris cause him to stop spawning echoes? If so, I'd think you could save time by taking care of those arms first.

[@sumongus]

Insane.

[@Craip-s6t]

I’ve just tried to describe the final battle in my head and it sounds wrong lol. Basically you have to use bind ability to grab its balls, then give them a good pull to stretch them out so Link can chop them off. 😂

[@axis8396]

Imagine the run with skippable cutscenes, prolly take 5 minutes

[@JosephShemelewski]

Well this happened quicker than expected. At this rate they'll figure out ACE within a month or 2

[@valshaped]

Yep lmao Nerd stuff below: True ACE from within a game on an unmodified Switch is more or less impossible, since games don't have permission to change memory protection. The speedrun would only work on particular firmware versions, and would rely on exploiting the Switch's (notoriously security-hardened) operating system. Veteran switch hackers have said it's not likely there are any such bugs left. Of course, games are made of code, and, with a good enough stack pivot, you could probably ROP your way to success.

[@JosephShemelewski]

@@valshaped Yea that makes sense I didn't consider that modern games would have protection against changing code. Cool info thanks

[@aidsjah]

1:40 Use bomb and charge it for bombchu. It killes the Dark-nuts (lol) instantly. Might be faster? Also, you can jump up ladders for some extra speed. Love to see that we already have a sub 1 hour run on this game!

[@Real_Kaedinh]

Wait you can do that with Null’s hands?!

[@ryanboutr7756]

The switch 2 will cut down 30minutes at least with, hopefully, no loading screens lol

[@ミスタードリラー]

Wisdom💪💪💪

[@klackbyrne]

Link needs to learn how to quickspin lol

[@TrevorSmithy]

i mean, to be fair, this link has the worst sword, no bow, and no bombs. he's not supposed to be this weak.

[@Vibingdir]

someone explain what just happened

[@ConnerGalloway]

Good job

[@D_Winds]

Sub 1 hour in sub 1 week. Love the speed community.

[@luclh4426]

oh ok its just a warp into the end though it was a full run in one hour x)

[@SomeChristianGuy9]

Welxome back, man!

[@Hydrocannon]

I just noticed something: In this game, Zelda is basically "Demongo" from Samurai Jack, capturing essences of powerful enemies and using them to fight her foes...

[@Big_Dai]

Uh? What essence is Zelda capturing?

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@Big_Dai Whatever is creating the echos obviously

[@Cass-b7w]

11 minutes wortth of pretty much cutscenes is awful is it accurate to say that the beginning of the speedrun is similar to totk

[@ProjectNaturePrds]

The position for this game on the Zelda timeline must be that it takes place before Ocarina of Time or really any Zelda game that refers to the Triforce by name. Spoilers below.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

That would invalidate Skyward Sword that actually says it by name and is considered the first game in the timeline. I honestly just think that this is so far into the fallen timeline that they just forgot the name so they started calling it what it actually is the prime source of energy as it does have the same overworld as A Link to the Past

[@rngsomeone1003]

Lots of stuff like dying to the final boss, but overall it's an amazing run for how soon it was done. Watch as all the scuff gets removed in runs in the next week or two.

[@fat_myth]

The wrong warp is cool but I’m more shocked that I never thought to target Null’s hands to pull them… I kept jumping around to grab on to them and missing lol

[@hakoss76]

lol I feel like I'm watching LEGO Zelda

[@Henson222]

What happend at 39:50?

[@AlyCatDotGames]

i thought the 6 minute cutscene in TotK was bad, but this game doesn't start until 12:00

[@foggy8298]

You realize most games aren’t designed to be replayed over and over again in quick succession, right?

[@zakkennedy443]

@@foggy8298while that is not the main goal, many devs are definitely aware of the speed run communities and put little quality of life in for them

[@-Hercules-]

Sub 55 is totally do-able

[@Teufel9000]

GG

[@Resla_Basti]

Incredible

[@Rose-85]

after seeing your summons and link in action inside of battles, i have a feeling this game is gonna be a nightmare to properly optimize

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Only if there is not a separate category that says no wrong warping. Like with Wrong Warping you are relying too much on Link's RNG since you really have no way to deal with the enemies on your side other than to wait for Link to deal with them. So if there is a separate category there are plenty of room for optimization properly since you don't have to rely much on RNG especially in the final area

[@rosalindhawkins7196]

529 Stanton Loop

[@diamondjub2318]

how did I go through the entire final boss sequence not knowing you could pull the arms? I just had an army of birds dive into them

[@melisjevisje]

I did the same thing 😂 birds for the win haha! Only found out after accidentally targeting link and then grabbed the arm by accident

[@RucadiDev]

I see, I'll be looking at the speedruns beginning minute 18:00 from now on :)

[@TheKeybladeKeeper]

One day they might just agree to start the timer after the intro lol

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@TheKeybladeKeeper They only did that with OOT because the intro was literally just a long ass cutscene no gameplay or anything inbetween

[@necrozapi]

GGs

[@HomerGunther]

well that didnt take long, got dang

[@AnnieColbert-i2d]

Yundt Mills

[@awsmrs]

It got beaten in less than a minute, sorry

[@CosmosProvider]

Why sorry? The game just came out, do you really think he wasn't expecting that? WR gets beaten every other minute when a game came out less than a month ago.

[@scudsturm1]

41:51 ohh, nintendo bought bomberman?

[@animemax7788]

Slightly disappointed with the boss fight, that boss's weakness is pulling hand for ALL its form. & the Damage seems fixed, no matter what summon echo u do, Links will be the main DPS for all fights.

[@dachking6657]

Crazy impressive stuff

[@sean_nowell]

47:38 deaughhhhh

[@KantiDono]

Neat

[@Warl89]

Kinda hate when games make you go through 10 minutes of introduction untill you can actually play the game.

[@Eckster]

Fitting that the princess gets around by pirouetting everywhere

[@AugustA447]

So I’m trying this for myself, and I got pretty far, but I’m a bit confused about the last part of the wrong warp. Are you warping into the dungeon the same frame you switch maps, letting you warp again?

[@AugustA447]

Ok, so now I know you’re opening a second map on top of the first one, but I’m only ever warping to the second statue I picked instead of wrong warping. Is there anything I’m missing?

[@john38825]

Oh a 59 min run in first week. this will be a fun game to speed run, hopefully there won't be any complet breaks that allow for a sub 5 min run Edit. Or a sub 20 min run with the first 18 min being the opening. That 18 min sucks Another edit. Pretty boring speed run, first 35 min of game is the normal opening, then it's 5 min of prep for wrong warp to final dungeon. Then last 20 min is just normal final dungeon 😢

[@Big_Dai]

@45:36 lol

[@JoseRios94]

Nice run wonder if borintendo will patch it

[@godloki098]

Run starts at 11:55

[@magaga0001]

End Game is very RNG based

[@leschfeu1]

You know the game is hard when it's speedran on day 5 after release!

[@epocish]

Interested in all dungeons speedrun!

[@Big_Dai]

Okay...? Go do it, pal.

[@epocish]

@@Big_Dai cringe and bluepilled

[@zealoustherealous]

Wow

[@1matto]

this wrong warp should be called nullwarp

[@SquidPartyDude]

What.

[@じゃんじゃかじゃん-t4t]

俺昨日これクリアしたの12日前に1時間切りが出てるなんて

[@GoldYvonne-r9o]

Martin Margaret Thomas Frank Rodriguez Cynthia

[@emilybennett7864]

Damn gym what did I miss 😭 lmao

[@dolly11048]

i did it faster but i was on meth and forgot to record

[@eltopos12]

La primera speedrun de este juegazo

[@Big_Dai]

"Juegazo"? Where!?

[@aaronalquiza9680]

i forgot i could use Bind on Link lol i was just spamming Dark Nut and Ignizol

[@manatee82140]

Well this looked very normal until it didn't

[@Big_Dai]

It looked abnormal for less than a minute...

[@RomanPoHareMamburu]

39:45 speedruns magic starts here

[@ToyKeeper]

This is impressive, but looks pretty un-fun to play due to the amount of time spent waiting. The waiting gets old even in a casual run, where combat is largely summon-and-wait. I've been making a point to pull out a bed and sleep through combat, to make things more interesting... would be really funny to see a world record which involves sleeping during the final boss fight.

[@Big_Dai]

Honestly, the combat and movement in these sorts of games aren't particularly engaging. This is NES era gameplay.

[@RizzyGyatt]

wtf...it took me over 14 hrs to beat this game lol

[@EntrE01]

Watching this I feel so stupid about how I beat null. I did not realize the arms were weak points and brute forced my way through the fight. It was extremely difficult, but since I played on hero mode I thought that was normal. Did anybody else have the same experience?

[@Deadly-Cat-MSM]

wait it's out?

[@emmaeriksson730]

I will never understand the fun in this type of playing. And I dont like cheating. sorry

[@What-dash-cubes-with-his-cubes]

good job on the wrong warp

[@catrex916]

The game is not even a week old

[@11th.death.kause.of.tamari]

omg they already went under an hour

[@AwakenTheGuardian]

12:25 youre welcome

[@Asclef]

One month, that's the time i give to speedrunners to reach a run of 30min or less (easy for them)