Ecia Model 1930 Family: Lost Competitors to the Astra

[@stanleykendziorski7964]

Whoever fireplace collector is, has a helluva collection.. always a treat

[@blastshadowproject]

When Ian lets slip the extent of the serial number range: Me: Wow, this really is a forgotten weapon!

[@Echowhiskeyone]

Also, I see three on the table. Ian: "You're looking at like 30% of the existing world supply" OK, definitely a Forgotten Weapon.

[@JerryEricsson]

I worked for a very cheap Police Department, several years before I was hired, there was a jail break. The crooks broke into the police department which was unmanned at night, and stole the 3 revolvers that the PD owned, the 4th was in the hands of one of the officer. So it was, when I was hired, I was told that i would have to furnish my own handgun. Well at the time I had an old S&W Model 59 so I carried that for awhile but soon decided I wanted more power, such as a .45. Well I had an FFL at the time, so I went to Shotgun News and found the poor man's SIG, the Astra A-100, pretty much a direct copy of a Sig. So I ordered on in .45 ACP, and carried it for the rest of my police caree. That gun has served me well, and the quality of the finish on the gun has fooled plenty of folks into believing I was indeed carrying a Sig. At the range, I was able to out shoot all those who were up for qualification at the same time as I qualified. Many were still using old Smith revolvers and had to fire double action, where my little .45 was double action first short single every subsquent round. I loved the angle of grip on the gun, she is a natural pointer, and the 10 round carry capacity gives me a few extra's in case the shit hit the fan. I have 2 extra magazines giving me 30 rounds of powerful .45ACP at hand. I always have carried her with hardball ammo, I guess a hold over from my 8 years in the US Army firing that ammo.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Just the question how "a cheap police department" with less than half a dozen officers on payroll and "giving me 30 rounds of powerful .45ACP" compute. Did your small underfunded PD have to single handedly stop Bonnie and Clyde or reenact Rambo First Blood often?

[@brodies2494]

@@Ugly_German_Truths I would presume he payed for his own ammo as well as the pistol.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Ah yes, the Forgotten Fireplace. Tell me all of your secrets.

[@johnmitchell923]

The forgotten fireplace has a better collection than most museums

[@Grimmwoldds]

@@johnmitchell923 The forgotten fireplace is actually an extra-dimensional space. You can reach out through tiny portals and grab guns from anytime/place you wish, review them, then put them back with none the wiser.

[@LieutenantTbone]

Haven’t seen you here in a while

[@Superbouncybubble]

TheGoldenCaulk is top comment, the fireplace is back, there's goofy Spanish pistol shenanigans; this really feels like a classic forgotten weapons video

[@sindrome303]

This was Amazing. And totally cool . I own An Astra Cyclops single shot 12G shotgun. I knew nothing about it, or how old it could be. So my old single shot is probably quite old. I must say it is a fantastic shotgun, and is in really good condition. but don't stand behind it when you crack open the breach. Dam thing ejects the shell about 20ft with some force.Another Great episode of Forgotten Weapons. Thanks Ian

[@joaquinandreu8530]

I did not know Spain produced so many firearms and I'm a Spaniard which has visited all the military museums in Spain... Awesome job Ian!

[@papayaman78]

Ignorante

[@john-paulsilke893]

A lot of it had to do with the patent laws in Spain. Spain had copyright law at the time but now patents which meant the name was protected but not the design. This meant they stole heaps of designs and during this process because they didn’t have technical packages they iterated and redesigned and thus actually came up with an insane number of independent often non-compliant patent designs. Both a good and bad thing, I’m torn because they caused many companies to go under because they made cheap garbage copies that caused bad reputations with the genuine companies but also produced superior copies that had the opposite effect. They also innovated and improved the gun industry in many subtle ways so I’m obviously conflicted.

[@bleras1998]

@@john-paulsilke893 Yep, that sounds like something we would do xD

[@john-paulsilke893]

bleras1998 like I wrote, good and bad. Probably a bit more bad then good but innovation and iteration cannot be denied. Look at the success of China for an example of going from 3rd world crap-hole that couldn’t feed itself to a world powerhouse that owns most of Africa, has most of America’s debt, produces parts for the worlds industry and is the primary breadbasket of Russia.

[@patolucaspato163]

@@papayaman78 tu,papanatas,has entendido si quiera lo que J.A escribió?

[@johnmitchell923]

When you see Ian sitting in front of that fireplace your gonna see things you like

[@AsbestosMuffins]

gotta love the spite that went into these. I love the look of tubular pistols all around

[@klaasvaak-fw7yx]

The trigger reminds me of a watergun

[@paulshayter1113]

klaasvaak0413, 👍

[@Never_heart]

I can't unsee it

[@Greger88]

Awesome, a new fresh from the oven episode of Forgotten Weapons to go with my breakfast.

[@TheWolfsnack]

....damn....a welcome interruption to my actually preparing breakfast....

[@RyeOnHam]

Sweet! Grip safety, drop safety, trigger safety, and Magazine Disconnect.

[@joshkrei2840]

I love just coming home every day and watching Ian tell me and show me some cool guns. No matter how my day was, always seems to brighten it. Love your content Ian, you’re awesome

[@BaronVonHardcharger]

+10 for "three bears" reference. :D

[@deltagamma2986]

As the Gun Nut of my Friends and Family with a knack for old and/or Weird Firearms. I love this Channel. Keep them Coming Ian.

[@42ndsheep]

Forgotten Weapons really needs to do a video on the Saab Bofors Dynamics CBJ-MS. The saboted tungsten round that it fires (supposedly to great effect) and ability as a pdw, assault rifle and squad automatic weapon all in one gun make it very interesting.

[@calebkendall1362]

Ahh, La Great Chimenea. Whoever has that Spanish gun collection is a lucky guy.

[@pedrotome9119]

Hello again and thanks for this video that is so well made, as always. The originality of these designs, and the quality of the products, along with the finishing of the papa pistol is unbelievable. This 9mm largo is also typical of a military Spanish gun of this period. "largo" = long, by the way... ❤❤❤

[@magicoddeffect]

The finishing and machining on these pistols looks quite good. They're obviously very well-made.

[@rogersmith9808]

As (almost) always... excellent and interesting information!!

[@mattelder1971]

On the subject of out-of-production pistols with an interesting back story, have you ever considered doing a story on the Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez lines of pistols? I have a Jennings 9 and it would be cool to see your take on the story of these.

[@takeshi7]

Jimenez isn't out of production. I have one and got a magazine replacement from them recently. It's a fun range gun. Wouldn't trust my life to it.

[@mattelder1971]

@@takeshi7 Yeah, I looked them up after I posted that. They WERE out of production for a while, but it appears that they have started back up with cerakoted models. It still would make an interesting video because of the crazy history of them.

[@elhistoriero1227]

Such gorgeous looking guns.

[@mordecaieagle4240]

Nothing is better after busy morning at work than video from Ian, except maybe a beer with the video.

[@griffn14]

I'd really, really like to see a short video of this guy's entire collection.

[@worldtraveler930]

I am fairly certain that it would be a rather Long video.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Wow, this thing has a trigger dongle like a Glock? Truly there is nothing new under the sun...

[@christianhoffmann8607]

thaaaats right, Mike

[@JunkyardBashSteve]

iPhone dongle

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Hehe, dongle.

[@j.mangum7652]

Sarco inc.importers used to offer 9mm Largo ammunition and the large frame Astra pistol ten-fifteen years ago. I imagine they're long gone now.

[@kermitthefrog7722]

the small frame looks like something from a bond film

[@crktritual]

two legs I can see that, for some reason it reminds me of the Liberator 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kermitthefrog7722]

@@crktritual yeah I see where you're coming from

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@mattmorrisson9607]

Oak-Fire-Place Collector Man/Woman comes through again with some rare and obscure firearms.

[@unccred]

I really hope you'll do a profile of some sort on the "fireplace collector" He or she must have a huge room or building with all the varied guns they have.

[@victorpapaavp]

A 9 round capacity? My god! I feel so undergunned with my 17+1 in my conceal carry... looks like I need one of these! My how times have changed, lol

[@oktayyildirim2911]

@@gary6576 God, I hope not

[@Brandon-ou4wc]

Could you do a review on the Brno zkm semiautomatic rifles ? There is little information on these guns definitely a forgotten weapon.

[@redram5150]

And as we all know Ecia and Astra lived happily ever after in Guernica because nothing bad ever happened there ever ever ever

[@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc]

Certainly no bad paintings by lecherous selfish artists.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Well to be fair, Red Ram, ALL of Spain suffered horribly from the Civil War and it would not have mattered where your small arms factory was, the two sides would definitely have tried to either conquer it for their own use or to destroy it to refuse the other side it's use.

[@samhardy5351]

Love that pocket pistol

[@elhistoriero1227]

Love the large frame one except for the replacement grips. Looks like the gun of some evil character in a movie.

[@TheChad138]

I dread the day when there are no longer any "forgotten weapons".

[@rdb8509]

Dammit! Because of you I have more guns than I can shoot and more books than I can read.

[@crktritual]

I like Ian...he seems nice...😁

[@neilis2405]

He's not. One time he walked into a temple and just starting turning over vendor tables. (Biblical reference for those who missed the joke)

[@kbjerke]

@@neilis2405 Those were Glock vendor tables.

[@crktritual]

Well word on the street is the Pharisees where straight disrespecting his Father’s house an he had to do what he had to do 🙏🏻✝️❤️✊🏻

[@RichardCranium321]

Definite appearance of intent to 1-up his partner, 1 more round in each competitor, double action, & Ecia is phonetically similar to Astra

[@antoniofdez620]

Interesting pisol, looking at the trigger and the simple DAO mechanism i honestly expected to be a cheaper version of the astra 400.

[@matejmatej3554]

Ian you are the best greetings from sLOVEnia

[@bruceinoz8002]

I was there last year, Mainly around Bled. (Love the cake!), and over near the Italian border Very "mellow" place. Maybe it should be called SLOW-venia?

[@highlandoutsider]

There's something so aesthetically pleasing about the 9mm with those wood grips, mm hmm

[@smrts]

I like that little one. pocket pistol version of an astra 400.

[@Hermenie]

I do love a tubular slide

[@bigpuzino]

Where are you filming from, you’ve probably done dozens of videos from this location, if this is a private collector I’m amazed at the amount of rare guns he was able to obtain

[@diegoferreiro9478]

E.Cía means 'Esperanza y Compañía' (Spanish for Esperanza & Co.)

[@williamsager805]

The small 25 cal. pistole reminds me a lot of a category of tiny popular pistols in the 1950s/60s called Saturday Night Specials. Though as I recall they seemed even more poorly made. This class of guns at the time were blamed for many of the shootings, and the importation of which was banned in the Gun Control Act of 1968. Which many gun supporters applauded because these pistols were built of low quality steel and had poor quality control. We joked that they were almost as much danger to the user as the person you pointed them at. Sadly enough we were better off with criminals using these 25 cal. junk pistols than quality made 9mm pistols.

[@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc]

I always thought that Saturday Night Specials were .38 snub nose revolvers. Easier on the wallet than any automatic in a hard to find calliber.

[@oneproudbrowncoat]

Most of the handguns that were labeled such used zinc-copper alloy castings (a material that's lightweight, relatively strong, but a pain to machine and impossible to repair). It's often referred to as 'pot metal'. The upside is that zinc is cheap, but obsolete with modern-day aluminum alloys.

[@KommandantDahl]

They may be replacements, but those wooden grips look great.

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

That trigger tho

[@bomric1788]

Yeah I was waiting for him to comment on how it felt. I want to know if it was VP70 before VP70.

[@sir0herrbatka]

This looks like a pretty safe pistol considering era.

[@dak4465]

Once again.. i like catching these videos when they upload but being up this early sucks. Ugh

[@dak4465]

@@northumbriabushcraft1208 yeah its 5:30 am here

[@TheLoneDragoon]

@@northumbriabushcraft1208 They upload at 7 AM where I live. Just in time for coffee and oatmeal.

[@dak4465]

@@TheLoneDragoon i mean im up anyway, i have class at six fifteen (i go to an automotive college) but it still sucks

[@TheLoneDragoon]

@@dak4465 Yeah, it does. I am only up this early to exercise and get ready for college myself. That's coffee is so important lol.

[@dak4465]

@@TheLoneDragoon indeed

[@americanrebel413]

Great video thank you.

[@spazmonkey2131]

It's the mama bear, papa bear, and baby bear pistols

[@babeez1513]

Id be interested in your review and breakdown of the pp2000

[@Adamsadventures83]

Soon as I saw them I thought man those remind me of Astras.

[@cheesenoodles8316]

Straight blowback Spanish pistols are the best. I really like the sites and trigger pull.

[@mrducky2915]

Hey Ian if you could have any personalized gun what would it be? Id get a tokarov with a small amount of engraving.

[@VonRammsteyn]

0:28 looks like somebody was ordered to make a gun but he didn't want to do it...

[@splashrivera3896]

Classic guns

[@candidodacquisto7930]

Shoutout to my hometown Guernica

[@ashtray4757]

Produced in Guernica? Well that sure wouldn't make this town a military target in a potential civil war...

[@gallaik]

Wahlsachse Maybe. But it was enough to bomb the factories, not the town and the civilian population.

[@oldesertguy9616]

I love the pistols from that period. It makes me wonder what they could have come up with if the Great Depression hadn't happened.

[@herknorth8691]

re: 9mm Largo Ever thought of doing a series on "Forgotten Calibers"?

[@oneproudbrowncoat]

9mm Largo? Pshaw! Now, if he gets to 7.65mm Long, that'll be impressive.

[@Pokesus]

Looks like that gun - pistol to play some games in an old console but i don't remember his name i think was ness

[@skepticalbadger]

Duck Hunt on the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).

[@PencePressureWashing]

Cool want that gun

[@tombakabones274]

1:20 or both

[@flavortown3781]

They look like astra's+savages

[@svtirefire]

Seems an odd location to stamp the serial numbers.

[@SNOUPS4]

Making up for the missing book (re)review of last week, I see

[@moosetom1588]

the wee one looks a bit like the "cricket" from men in black "this is for you kid"

[@andrewrash1931]

Ian have you ever made a video on the AK-107 platform? If not that would be interesting to see. Probably not easy to do as from what I hear their currently isn’t any in the US. And the Russians are pretty stingy on letting people see them.

[@sir0herrbatka]

How is this locking style called?

[@sir0herrbatka]

@@ryanthorne5432 Thanks.

[@charles_wipman]

I'd never heard about those pistols, don't look that bad at the side of the Astras of the time IMO.

[@blueharley2]

great information, but the camera panning makes me sea sick

[@svtirefire]

Take a Dramamine and suck it up, sailor!

[@arikwolf3777]

Interesting, Learn something new: I thought striker fire was from the '80's with the Glock.

[@gj1234567899999]

The Largo looks like a Ruger. Any coincidence?

[@high633]

Hi

[@stephenwright3501]

The book on Amazon is $165

[@ОлегКозлов-ю9т]

Wait how many Esperanzas there were if this one was just "One"?

[@RichardCranium321]

Over 30% of world supply in one place? Damn you Reed Knight... 😅

[@wolflordreaper20]

Fellow gun enthusiast can someone ask Ian for a battlefield 5 weapons playlist of has the time if need be I'll help compile a list to assist with a list of weapons

[@agenericaccount3935]

Noisy cricket on the left.

[@stinknut762]

If only they had a few more safeties they may have been successful...Possibly a safety on the box? Has that been done? If careless people disregard the easy to use safeties standard on firearms perhaps more easily defeated safeties will change their mind?? I don't know i'm just thinking out loud.

[@flavortown3781]

The best safeties are passive ones, drop and rebound safeties, grip safeties too. Manual safeties are terrible you'll fumble under duress

[@es-iv3xp]

Troche Astry troche Manufrance.Ale Astry wincy.

[@ianray8823]

An Acaí bowl tastes better than a Ecia bowl

[@piotrwoznica9100]

The logo looks an awful lot like FB (Radom) logo upside down.

[@rasnac]

That grip is a centimeter too long.

[@svtirefire]

Had to fit that extra round in somehow!

[@yuletide1281]

Kinda looks like a water gun

[@samholdsworth3957]

Jesus saves!

[@crktritual]

Sam Holdsworth Moses invests ☺️

[@samariyayadubansi6988]

I inndia

[@1891shooter]