Star Wars Black Hole lore is EXTREMELY weird

[@jarrencikanek9465]

when eck drops a new video while your watching his old ones

[@mystickotodama1911]

It's like a reward.

[@Butter_Chickennn]

It’s as if dad actually came back with the milk, a feels good moment ☺️

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

A surprise to be sure but a welcomed one.

[@justtheflagguy727]

@@Prophetofthe8thLegionthis comment gives me a sense of euphoria for some reason

[@generalveers9544]

The black hole refineries have always stuck with me after reading about them in that book. Such an out there concept that’s reminiscent of Halo precursors.

[@AltbinariesPPK]

Palpatine is also described multiple times as a black hole in the force

[@princeofpokemon2934]

Same thing with Darth Nilihus. He was effectively a walking wound in the force itself. And the death of Palpatine also caused a wound in the force. It said that a disturbance in the force is usually caused by mass death on a planet-wide or system-wide scale or if a very powerful force user dies

[@LegoSamler]

@@princeofpokemon2934would this mean Yoda caused a wound in the force when he died? Or would his becoming one with the force prevent this? Jedi would be ready and willing to become one with the force, suggesting they wouldn’t create a wound upon death to me. Palpatine however I believe would act as a poltergeist, searching for a vessel, unwilling to let go. Or is it reserved for S tier force users?

[@princeofpokemon2934]

@@LegoSamler Palpatine felt Yoda die through the force so it is possible that the death of Grandmaster Yoda also caused a wound in the force since he was so powerful

[@LegoSamler]

@@princeofpokemon2934 yeah that would make sense seeing as a huge force for the light had gone, unbalancing it all. But as he is one with the force would that not keep the balance intact? As he is at peace and just simply no longer a physical entity? Writing that made me think about the midichlorians in Yoda now being dead and that’s where it could happen

[@andrewbryant4259]

Hey they were good enough to trap Abeloth for thousands of years. That’s good enough for me

[@michielkudova3887]

Is my personal opinion. That “The force” Is basically a counter action of relativity. The reason that we see no relativity related effects, is because the force itself counteracts them.

[@BugRib]

I can kind of get on board with this.

[@luke21121]

I disagree

[@michielkudova3887]

@telegraam-Eckharts_Ladder bot

[@michielkudova3887]

@@luke21121 what’s is your take then

[@luisalfonsocecilio7374]

​@@michielkudova3887 dude still hasn't dropped in 5 months

[@PenguinofD00mxxx]

Star Wars physics is constantly in flux. Sometimes, the less specific they are, the better off we are.

[@WillFredward7167]

I would say it is best when Star Wars is fairly specific about how something is used, but generally avoids the question of why it works that way.

[@billtree52]

I remember in one of the 70s 80s comics there was a "Blackhole Trooper" which were suicidal stormtroopers that wore black armor and were trained for operations near black holes, whatever THAT would involve.

[@lightspeedvictory]

#AskEck before the Rebels found out about the Second Death Star and the Emperor overseeing its completion, what was their plan for winning the war? I ask because in the Essential Guide to Warfare it states that most of the Rebel leadership was opposed to seizing and holding territory. Answer for both Legends and Disney Canon plz Lore ship Versus video request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator Praetor vs. Subjugator EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III Gargantua/Aratech 520 Battle Platform vs. A6 Juggernaut

[@matrix-5466]

Read about Operation Domino on Wookiepedia

[@lightspeedvictory]

@@matrix-5466 already know about that. It failed miserably with only a handful of planets liberated.

[@owenparris7490]

I've never heard space in Star Wars described as an ether before, but it makes a lot of sense! It's kind of like how space worked in "Treasure Planet," except they had oxygen in their ether, and Star Wars doesn't.

[@funnelvortex7722]

There's no evidence in canon or legends that Star Wars' space is filled with "ether", in fact it's been stated space in SW is a vacuum on multiple occasions. It's a dumb fan theory this guy likes to spread despite being directly contradicted by actual sources.

[@urktheturtle2988]

I think the original star wars novel, literally the first piece of media ever, explains that ships have audio emulators.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

#AskEck we need to get deeper into 80-90s West End Games lore of Adventure Journals. These last videos feels like we're rehashing old topics. Make a video about time-travelling into 1980s and covering what would the available lore be pre-Zahn era. Or maybe cover some another weird change from Disney canon and compare it with old lore. The same Vong and ICS topics get pretty boring especially for people who already seen all those old videos.

[@WillFredward7167]

On the opposite end of the discussion, Isaac Arthur’s channel has multiple very fun videos on how black holes realistically could be used by very advanced civilizations. You’re not gonna get to make freaky particles that mess with space-time, but you could get insane amounts of energy.

[@Finlandball39]

Please make a video on your favorite/most powerful faction in Star Wars canon!

[@treadlightly76]

*ABELOTH! ABELOTH! ABELOTH!* *Skoll offers Hati to the Great Mother* Hati: _Baylan! My eyes! I….I cannot see!_ Skoll: _Where The Great Mother is going…you won’t need eyes to see!_

[@grisom5863]

Interesting how Eckhartsladder and a Isaac Arthur released a video on black holes on the same day.

[@KevinKoolx]

I mean there is Hawking Radiation from black holes where they slowly leak energy over long period of time. Which might be a source of energy. Though tbh doing anything around a black hole isn't the best idea haha

[@holo_val]

One thing I always liked about the Star Wars universe was it felt like it used "videogame logic". If something scientific or physics based would feel natural in a videogame then it doesn't need too deep a lore explanation, it can just "be" and function on its own.

[@SomeTuberr]

Using a black hole for industrial needs is actually theoretically plausible. For example black hole generators is a theoretical mega construct that is used as a power generator. It’s believed to be many times as powerful as a Dyson swarm It can also be weaponized as a bomb with the power of a supernova

[@NightDocs]

These are like my favorite kinds of videos. Gonna rewatch the beyond uncharted regions and beyond compilation again now lol

[@baronjutter]

A black hole just has the same gravity as whatever sun created it. It doesn't suck any harder, it's just gravity you could orbit around like any other star or body. If our own sun became a black hole, other than everything getting dark it wouldn't change much else. Orbits would all be the same because the gravity/mass didn't change. If you can build a facility in orbit of a planet or sun, you can just as easily put one in orbit of a black hole.

[@urktheturtle2988]

media lying about what black holes are is a constant pain.

[@justinthompson6364]

This is a good point, though to exploit black holes to gain some exotic resource in the way they describe, I'd assume they need to get near the event horizon. The use of the word "encompass" also implies these facilities wrap around the entire black hole, and afaik SW doesn't even have megastructures that surround normal stars like that. I can see why it would strain credibility.

[@jaffo3578]

I don't know who you're arguing against, but no one disagrees with this.

[@justinthompson6364]

@@jagerdergroe8604 Our sun is too small to form a black hole, and the bigger Death Star was only 160 km. And it didn't need to survive close proximity to any gravity well, let alone black holes.

[@stuglife5514]

@@justinthompson6364 Yet starwars still has many mega structures that float in orbit around planets like the absolutely massive space stations, the Fondor shipyards, or the Kuat drive yards orbital ring. If they can build orbital rings aboud Kuat, why not a star or black hole? Just some food for thought

[@Midtbh_]

Finally some actual content instead of the shitty reactions and update videos i missed the best quality vids he makes and now i got them back

[@whydoyougottahavthis]

I sure as fuck wouldn't wanna miss out on Padmes pregnancy, hoorah on that one am I right boys? That belly is adorbs

[@timothykillilea2486]

Black hole refineries would be a great target for an extra-galactic invader to cripple travel within the Star Wars galaxy. The idea that all factions of the Star Wars Galaxy leave black hole refineries alone is a fascinating concept.

[@epixtreme2383]

man, where do you even find this stuff? truly dedicated on covering this lore

[@mrdunk2955]

Secret military Bases around a black hole cluster sounds sooo damn cool, to bad it's kinda impossible irl cuz of the time dilation.

[@friendlysperg1372]

I like to think those big balls in the interdictors were giant containment houses for particle accelerators creating planetary mass black holes

[@theromanorder]

Please do more videos on tactics and structures like the cis navy structure and ranks

[@rockmycd1319]

I swear time dilation actually does exist though, since I recall in legends there existed shielding that protected from it.

[@horithehearty5460]

Wow cool to see an Eck 7 mins after it drops. Love your lore bro keep up the good work.

[@wordwyrd]

You realize a black hole can be extremely small and light in mass, they just burn out rapidly.. perhaps these factories use these smaller kugelblitz types?

[@matthewfinkenbinder5846]

One of the things that ran through my mind in the late 2000s involved the idea of the Dyson Sphere (think a specific episode of Star Trek). This one piece of techs biggest obstacle is material as well as energy as it would require so much of both to build and utilize. My thinking revolved around "if there was a way to manipulate, gradually slow, and pull material and energy FROM a Black Hole it could be potentially the perfect construction yard. If Star Wars expanded on some of the other tech mentioned in the early part of the video or perhaps using a group of Jedi/Sith or maybe interdictor cruisers to Jumpstart the process, it might actually be viable to go that route in the SW universe. Just a thought. (Hey, Star Wars has seen crazier and already proved moving stars and Black Holes is possible)

[@lmtman6199]

“Cant even pick the boys up on tatooine” A starwars hockey nerd would definitely say this perfection of a phrase 😭😭

[@cursedflash36]

#AskEck I've had the idea for a little while now that Lucasfilm should pursue adapting George Lucas's sequel treatments in comic form and getting Lucas himself to consult on it. This may sound like an out-there idea but Lucas was clearly unhappy that the story of his sequels was never told, he's had a life long love of comic books as a medium and even though he's retired, he's always been happy to consult on projects whenever Lucasfilm have asked him to (Solo, The Mandalorian, Dial of Destiny, etc). For Lucasfilm's part, they're fine with producing non canonical content like Visions and the rumored 'What if?' series. Marvel Comics has also just announced they'll be publishing 'What if?' Alien comics and Dark Horse recently published a comic adaption of one of James Cameron's old drafts for an Avatar sequel, so I don't see why Lucasfilm can't get either company to give Star Wars the same treatment. It could even be nice way to celebrate the upcoming 10 year anniversary of the beginning of the sequel trilogy, taking a look at what it could have been. So, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think it's an idea Lucasfilm should pursue?

[@logansmith2703]

That'd be really fun. We'd just have to deal with the insufferable aspects of this fanbase using this to constantly shit on current canon

[@Kohl293]

Eather sounds like a great explanation for why ships behave the way they do but no planets have fallen out of orbit yet

[@UpcycleShoesKai]

bruh....that's just legends

[@palpadur1112]

black holes can be used as prisons for beings so powerful, that their freedom would mean an extinction level event is going to take place. or a training ground in preperation *for* an extinction level event.

[@blackc1479]

Etheric rubber. As in "no problem padme, I'm wearing an etheric rubber."

[@crispy_338]

wtf is happening at 0:42 😂

[@Novaerian]

it's an old star wars meme of George Lucas throwing someone out for suggesting an idea (I don't remember the specifics past that unfortunately), but Lucas was 100% cool with the guy and it was done for comedic effect

[@garrisoncarroll2988]

In all honesty I’ve never clocked a video as fast as I did this one

[@ascensionindustries9631]

I always believed the Sith represent the sigularity. Although only two, their power is equal to the central black hole within a galaxy, gravitionally binding billions of stars together, wereas the jedi represent all the light of those stars surrounding the dark galactic core.

[@primal1233]

Awesome video as always🔥👍

[@catcryt1765]

great vid as always!

[@Thedangerousdoc]

I love you eck thanks for the interesting content man

[@ThisIsWhereTheFunBegins8588]

God the sequels could be so much more than Porrgs and Finn shouting "REEEEEEEEYY"....

[@michielkudova3887]

The physics of Star Wars gets even weirder when you take into account that the Star Wars galaxy is actually more dense than our own… And possibly even younger than our own

[@urktheturtle2988]

relativity does exist, its mentioned in a few places... its just most movies exaggerate the relativistic effects of black holes, you would need to be standing on the surface of the damn things most of the time for them to effect space time in any noticeable way Relativity is also why only a few hours seem to pass on the millenium falcon in empire strikes back, while everyone else (including the imperial pursuers) it seems like months are passing

[@joefield8078]

They didn't say it was a 'natural' black hole. It could be a small black hole created for industrial purposes. Also, this could be an alternate universe to our own with different universal constants.

[@WedgeWWW]

Black holes warp spacetime, might also warp the field that is the Force. When a force sensitive tries to reach out near a black hole, it probably feels very weird.

[@Kamiyoda]

"Crazy this is your ex, huh?" Ben to Luke, probably

[@brandonbell1601]

Awesome video

[@Jedi_With_Aesthetic]

Black holes are awesome I hope they are space hazards in Star Wars outlaws they are underused in Star Wars stories I also wonder if they can trap force ghosts because the force is an energy field, and so are ghosts and no energy can escape a black hole, so would a force sensitives essence be sucked in as well that would be terrifying

[@thesharpercoder]

Sorry for this being a long winded post. But I think you may find this fascinating in light of the topic of this video. This is how our real world science and math understand black holes and traveling at, near, or faster than light speed. Traveling at near the light speed. As you approach light speed, your time slows down while everyone else’s time moves at their same speed.. You are moving forward in time relative to those you left behind. Traveling at light speed. It requires near infinite energy to reach light speed. This is the galactic speed limit as we know it. Traveling faster than light speed. This is the exact opposite of traveling slower than light speed. This where things begin to get really weird, but this is what the math predicts. Instead of light speed being the top speed limit, light speed is now the minimum speed limit. You cannot slow yourself down to light speed because it requires near infinite energy. Even stranger things happen to time. You are now moving backwards in time relative to those you left behind. When you make a FTL trip, you briefly move forward in time as you speed up. And then you briefly move backwards in time as travel FTL, which negates your having moved forward in time as you accelerate and decelerate from light speed. So traveling halfway across the galaxy at FTL speeds is not all that different from traveling across town in your car, at least as far as time for those you left behind is concerned. The real world problem that we face is that upper/lower speed limitation known as light speed. Another name for this limit is an event horizon.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

A lot of the stuff that happens in typical sci-fi (like robot/AI rebellions and relativity) are explained away by the banality of the tech. For example, droids are so ubiquitous that they fade into the background and are routinely treated as appliances. These droids are carefully programmed to appreciate organics, have regular memory swipes and programming updates, and often even have restraining bolts. All of this is a complex system to repress the droids so they don’t take over. But this system is so ancient that everyone forgets about it. Maybe they use the magic space-time particles to routinely avoid the effects of relativity, like time travel is outlawed so they manipulate spacetime with the particles so that a ship going through “sublight” which is clearly actually relativistic speeds experience the flow of time the same as people on planets. We see this in the Mandalorian story arc where he shuttles the frog lady in sublight from one star system to another in a matter of days, when that’s got to be at least a couple of light years apart. They also have standard gravity in every situation, like even in Empire when they're inside they space slug in that asteroid or when they go to small moons, so maybe all shoes for space-farers are made with a gravity corrector in them. Maybe this tech is so ubiquitous that people just take it completely for granted…

[@princeofpokemon2934]

#AskEck you should cover every awful decision made by the New Republic and how the New Republic could have worked if it made the right decisions.

[@princeofpokemon2934]

@@michaelandreipalon359 both Canon and legends

[@Literallyjustmint]

To be fair real life black hole lore is also extremely weird.

[@Air4swan]

The magic technology of Star Wars makes perfect sense if only because once you start f-ing with gravity you start getting into some totally weird 💩. It’s more about deciding what technology can benefit human(oid)ity versus what turns us into some Event Horizon abomination…

[@MrCode4money]

3:36 black holes at least in our universe are generally smaller in mass than the star they formed from. The general misconception about them is that they "suck" everything into them. Yes by definition if you cross the event horizon you're not coming back. However their gravitational influence is no greater than the original star they formed from. So if for example our Sun were to become a black hole and if you ignored any of the violent events that may occur during its formation then all the planets in our solar system would just continue to orbit the black hole like they did the Sun. It would be a lot colder but they wouldn't be sucked into it.

[@hamiltonrankin8462]

Isn’t the thing that kills the giant space monster in SOLO a black hole?

[@AlexeyPiet]

Yeah, when we imagine the effects in gravity, we mostly have super heavy black holes in mind, which are mostly in centers of galaxies, Quasars, etc. and not the stellar mass ones... But damn, i really like black holes! Star Wars could have done so much with them... (Also, i thought this was about This Dude 'Black Hole' of the EU...)

[@AlexeyPiet]

@telegraam-Eckharts_Ladder i guess, we have an fake Account here, which even wrote 'telegram' wrong...

[@ChandelordChandel-wi6hx]

#AskEck I know it is a pretty vague question, but could you do a video on the Fel Empire in general, and Jagged Fel in particular, please?

[@demonicaxeman7264]

I don't think the scientists on Earth truly have any real understanding of black holes.

[@stuartl7761]

I don't think it sounds that far out from modern star wars technology. They've created ring world ship yards that circle entire planets. That sounds about the same level if not even more impressive.

[@martijnvanweele6204]

I wonder if it was initially intended for FTL communication to be possible in Star Wars. It seems reasonable that the impossibility of sending data across the galaxy was what made it necessary to transport the Death Star Plans on a USB-stick. I don't believe we actually see an instance of FTL communication until _Empire..._

[@yarnickgoovaerts]

They should really be focusing less on the sci-fi side of Star Wars and more on the fantasy side

[@EthanKironus8067]

There's clearly a reason they ditched the black hole refinery idea.

[@benjaminepstein5856]

Well, Crseshahehshwhehshs Station used its Deus Ex Machina hyperdrive to get away from the black hole.

[@benjaminepstein5856]

@telegraam-Eckharts_Ladder no, you transparent spambot

[@ben501st]

So humans in Star Wars have mastered the power of vacuum energy a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. The technology likely came from a higher species. The Force constantly creates and destroys to maintain balance. Balance is sweetness to the Force. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have just confirmed Star Wars and Halo are in the same universe. I will not be taking questions at this time. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[@matrix-5466]

Black hole lore in general is just weird. They really shouldn’t exist based on our laws of science.

[@Tuxedo512]

fun drinking game, take a shot every time he says black holes 😎

[@sulljoh1]

In real physics if they wanted a black hole that could absorb a star fighter blaster shot it would need to have a mass similar to the earth

[@mybumstudios1989]

This exact topic is why I get irritated at fans that whine about the hyperspace ramming in Ep8. I'd known about that lore for ages, and really wanted to see it on screen. Took a long time for it to factor into the films.

[@geassrailfantitan3414]

Eck what’s ur opinion on Halo S2E3?

[@JustInTimeMovies]

Not much science in this science fiction. 😀 Over the years, I have come to learn, as I am certain others have, that SW is much more fantasy than sci-fi. And I love it more because of that. I get super excited when SW gets weird! 🤓🤩

[@Aaron-fb6mb]

Can you make a video on Star Wars concepts borrowed from Hinduism?

[@TerriblePizza]

#AskEck How often do you think Star Destroyers actually carried a full complement? Did all ISDs actually have a fully 37000 plus troops?

[@ArtWilkisnon]

Finally, some content I actually like

[@formerlypie8781]

Rude

[@THeFudimentals]

I wish I could subscribe twice

[@tr4br]

#AskEck What do you think would happen after the Battle of Naboo if the Trade Federation won?

[@Bird_Dog00]

Building in orbit around a black hole shouldn't be difficult. We could do it with our technology. At a given distance from its center, a black hole with, say, 10 solar masses doesn't have a gravitic pull different from any other object - like a star - of the same mass. And a black hole doesn't blast out the power of a gigantic active fusion reactor in all directions. As a matter of fact, unless the black hole is active, e.g. absorbing matter, it shouldn't radiate any significant amounts of energy at all. So, building around a black hole will leave you with the question how to replace all that sweet, sweet free energy you could get from building the same facilities around a star of the same mass. I'm sure there are a few ideas, but they will probably be a little more involved than simple photovoltaic panels or solar-thermal generators. The question here is how close those - totaly, absolutely, honest guv'ner, canon - "space-time knot factories" are supposed to be to the black hole's event horizon. I suspect this guide is somewhat vague on this question...

[@jamesmurray8572]

When I can’t mod Battlefront 2 like Eck mods his

[@arthasmenethil9957]

One thing I'd like to address is your comment on how the Republic doesn't have the technology to communicate with Tatooine, but has the tech to create facilities around black holes and "harvest" them. I think our world is a good example to use. With our level of technology, we can do unbelievable things. We can manipulate individual atoms, send individual protons on light speed collision courses, and even split atoms. We have genetic modification, we can learn so much about other planets and even other star system just by looking at them, our medical technology is incredible. But yet, we can only predict weather about a week in advance, anything beyond that is pure educated guesses. As great as our medicine and practices are, cancer is s till an insurmountable problem. We consider ourselves masters of this world, yet we still run from hurricanes because the wind is too fast. My point is, we are so advanced but there are little things here and there that we can't or haven't mastered. Every now and then I'll come across some problem that exists and I find it funny that even as advanced as we are, we still have certain problems. This was way longer than I thought it would be.

[@Panzerzwerg]

Wtf is the context for that Lucas clip at 0:40?

[@GunsAndAmmo3]

Great wow amazed 😂😂😂

[@DarthVages]

👍

[@NotMuscleMan-dx7ul]

You know who else is extremely weird?

[@LightningFox512]

Fr

[@GarGhuul]

Great, my like was 666th. 😂

[@antcow1239]

this is why you shouldnt try to explain how fantasy tech works, no one can. It just works, and whatever X-factor is at play to make it work simply does. Just like it will work for us when we advance that far. Dont be such a downer! XD

[@rocha69420]

you already made this video 2 years ago. are you running out of ideas?