ECM Synchronika With Flow Control

[@chilango7777777]

one of the clearest and effective discussions on the ecm + flowcontrol

[@JohnDennery]

I've been watching a lot of your videos recently and I really appreciate how clearly you present and explain everything. Thank you so much and keep them coming!!

[@JonneytheKidd]

Thank you for showing/making this video. I just bought this machine, and had no idea i could do this.

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

Glad I could help, thank you for watching.

[@CarlosAmaya-nb6ps]

Thank you for the valuable explanation about flow control , I just got my synchronika with flow control and I can't wait to try this this out to get some terrific espresso shots, thank you

[@starshooter1003]

same here....just setting mine up now - the fun begins

[@hitshot]

Would you recommend the synkronika over the Lelia Bianca

[@starshooter1003]

I've watched your video multiple times. You have a great talent with your presentation, and the information is very well laid out. Thank you for sharing!!

[@dennisrkb]

This video made me fall in love with the synchronika and strengthen my resolve that it's the right upgrade for me from my barista pro. Thank you!

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

It's a special machine for sure.

[@dawnmureddu1079]

Well explained. We have an ECM Sync and considering a flow control. Thank you for a great video

[@itsjaynguyen]

I’m curious to how different the two shots tasted

[@AllanYangUSA]

I am so glad I found your videos. Very explanatory and clear.

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

Thank you for the kind compliment.

[@PanzerIV88]

lol Doing ~4 things at a time and saying "...and I don't need to worry about anything" never said someone with OCD hehe. Even though I can both froth and brew at the same time on my R58, I just can't watch my extraction from the naked portafilter, check my Acaia scale, keep the right angle while frothing and keeping another eye on the thermometer from the pitcher, and play with the flow control allll at the same time, that's not gonna happen XD Just purchased today another Rocket machine from you guys and a flow control device from Profitec to fit my current R58 so I had to watch that video again. Can't wait to receive all that new stuff! :D

[@4040mwilson]

Dude best description ever

[@luckylarrikin1439]

Looks like a great home machine.

[@zanzibarbob7]

I always enjoy your videos. Professional and instructive. Thanks!

[@metalink]

Thank you for input.

[@thomasliu4545]

Fantastic video indeed! Can you describe a little about the taste difference between the 3 trials?

[@PanzerIV88]

Hi Slawek, by far the best (Flow Control) video I've seen and I've been looking for quite a few! I like that it's also straight to the point, easy to understand and only 8min long. I've also been comparing machines on your website for a few days and I'm hesitating between gifting my mom a (Profitec Pro 500 or Rocket Crono Type V) as she clearly doesn't need any higher-grade but then I'm also thinking of maybe instead giving her my 99% new Rocket R58 to get that Synchronika with flow control heh. Damn hard decisions!

[@JavaJakesRoastery]

best video on KZbin about flow control subbed and thumbed up

[@a.s.5280]

great video, good explained! now this machine is quite similar to my RocketR91.

[@sudeshsingh9706]

Excellent Demo!!

[@meopai3]

Thank you. I am now convinced to buy the ECM Synchronika, rather than the Rocket Cinquantotto, Very informative presentation.

[@enyceofnyc]

This is a great, clear video. Thanks. I have a question. Does a fully open flow control knob match or exceed stock flow? I ask because there are videos about flow control that describe 1.25 revolutions from closed as stock flow. They also explain that, towards the end of the range, the flow rate climbs more rapidly.

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

That's a really good question. I haven't measured it personally but my feeling is that it does. I think that fully open the orifice of the flow restrictor is larger than in the stock gicleur so the flow would be greater than machine without the flow control and just with a standard mushroom

[@aceleri1]

Hi does the pre-infusion work with the machine running off the reservoir and not plumbed in? I have been told you can only pre-infuse with a water line??

[@PanzerIV88]

From what I understood, it is even more useful to those who aren't plumbed-in as otherwise there is no way to pre-infuse but with a flow-control you get to mimic a plumbed-in machine since you can start for example at 1-2 bars for a 10-20s pre-infusing instead of being 100% of the time at the full 9.5 bars. Plumbed machines have a default in-line pressure around 2 bars at the house or you can have an external filtering thingy such as those from BWT to then lower the pressure to 1-2 bars if ur house have too much pressure. So a plumbed machine without flow control will be able to pre-infuse at 1-2 bar yes, but then it will be full pump at 9 bars, no in between. That's the point of flow control so they get the in-between but people on reservoir get the adjustements AND the pre-infuse capability so it's really interesting as you don't need to spend an extra 400-500$ on a rotary pump and break ur kitchen's countertop to plumb the machine ^^

[@hitshot]

@@PanzerIV88 does flow control improve the taste, and would you recommend this machine over the lelit Bianca?

[@PanzerIV88]

@@hitshot I don't know any Lelit machines but I can say that there's a few things which you can't go wrong such as having a PID, E61 brewer, HX or double boiler over single boiler, having at least 1.2Bar if steaming pressure. To be honest I ended up not really experimenting all that much over the last year, as I find dialing my grinder to get my 2:1 ratio of 20g for 40ml between 25-30sec to be more important overall. I just started last week to do the WDT technique with a tool from Amazon and it DOES make a difference in puck consistency. Same thing for my new grinder since 2 weeks when I went from a 65mm "Rocket Fausto" to the awesome 83mm single doser "Ceado SD37" and also started doing the RDT technique with a water bottle that came with it, major difference to reduce mess and static, like it gives me 0.00g or at worse 0.01g of retention inside, it's just crazy efficient! So all this makes more of a difference than flow control which is anything but cheap so better keep that money and invest in a better grinder, that is so underrated. I have a friend who bought his first real machine "ECM Classika" or something like that, 1000$ single boiler... But since he had such a sh*tty grinder, he never got to use his espresso machine and had to return it after all the tests I've done with my tool on his equipment. So I'd say that flow control is the last thing you get, very optional and a temperature gauge is prolly gonna be cheaper and more useful imo. It's very hard to dial the pressure in between, seems like it stays low during pre-infusion like 2 bars or 4 at most but then if you open it one quarter, it goes quickly to full 9.5bars so okay if you want to pre-infuse more than default E61 but good luck doing fancy profiles and that's gonna be a waste of time on anything less than top quality and freshness coffee.

[@bossgt6]

Hi, if i install a flow control unit ,is it mean that i can basically make a pre infusion without to connect the machine to the water tap because no need anymore to a line water pressure level?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

In a way yes, a flow control device reduces the flow so it takes pressure longer to build. The effect is similar to pressure profiling but not exactly pressure profiling

[@rickseneris]

How many rotational degrees does the flow control have? Will the lelit Bianca flow control work on the ECM and Profitec 700?

[@payamirani5298]

Very informative video. I noticed that the water flows out in a single stream at the beginning of the video (both at low as well as Max flow), instead of a dispersed shower. Is this the norm on this type of machine and would a focused flow like this lead to channeling or uneven puck saturation/extraction?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

This is normal flow for an E61 group without any coffee. Once you put coffee in the puck and you get back pressure the spray evens out.

[@PanzerIV88]

Just get urself the (IMS E61 Nanotech Shower). Trust me it is unexpensive and by far one of the best upgrade you could do to any E61 machines!

[@JasonAlexzander1q47]

Does it have a restrictor valve?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

The flow control device is an adjustable flow restrictor. You adjust it to open it to allow for more flow or close it to restrict the flow

[@rottiejakeluke]

What bar pressure and temperature would you use for the settings for a machine at 1 mile above sea level? Thanks.

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

Hi, Unfortunately this is not something that I am knowledgeable about, I have never lived at a high elevation.

[@ange5354]

to anyone who already has flow control, do you find that you need to grind finer when flow profiling?

[@newera3757]

Do you guys selling Titan grinder with black finish or only chrome ?

[@andrewhay2402]

In many way similar to Lelit Bianca. Which of the two would you recommend for milk based drinks and learning how to use the flow control ?

[@hitshot]

Which one did you get?

[@ezralimm]

that is an insane brew time for espresso...ultimately hot water is in contact for over 50s... how does it taste?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

Since the flow is quite restricted it takes more time to get full saturation. The full pressure extraction is shorter. I have found you can get a lot of variance in flavour changing the flow profiles and I have had fantastic tasting shots that took over a minute to extract

[@hustinja]

Do you find that you have to adjust your grind according to what profile style you will be attempting? I am finding that a grind thats giving me the correct weight at 30 seconds with the original hardware, is giving me super fast sputtery flows with the flow control hardware once the pressure is rampped up after a pre infusion. Any tips?

[@PanzerIV88]

Just curious, hav eyou got to fix ur issue after 3 months of practice since your comment? I've read elsewhere that some users needed to grind a bit finer when playing with the flow control because of the pre-infusion I guess. I don't know if it's only if you pre-infuse for too long though.

[@layas8690]

at 1:37 the water flow from the shower screen at the pre infusion phase is not giving a water shower effect . is this the stock shower screen. any reason why its pouring as one channel rather than even wide shower droplets?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

Hi, this part is refered to as a shower screen but the dispersion isn't like an actual shower when there is no coffee. When you have coffee and back pressure it does help in dispersing the water around the whole puck but that is the normal flow for an e61 with the portafilter removed

[@PanzerIV88]

@@layas8690 Highly suggest that you buy the (IMS E61 Shower Nanotech) from IDC. It's one of the best upgrade you can do to any E61 machines and is about only 45-50$? I got one for my Rocket R58, it's wayyyy better than stock for shower dispersion and keeps it 10x cleaner.

[@layas8690]

@@PanzerIV88 . The ease of cleaning part is also appealing . thanks for your suggestion

[@DeltaRana4]

Always wondered if this machine's flow control could be adjusted - now I know. I am assuming that the flow control works whether the machine uses direct water supply or internal reservoir? (skip that... just found the answer lower down). Great video. PS- Been reading that the flow control knob gets VERY hot.. how true is this?

[@richardgirard8218]

Great video. Hopefully you can get the profitec versions to. Heh I typed to soon. Just saw the end to see it can be installed on any machine. Thanks!

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

We have both the Profitec and ECM in stock. For now we only have it on new machines but a kit will be available soon to upgrade any machine.

[@richardgirard8218]

@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada great news!

[@LuckyDragon289]

@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada This is awesome news! I bought my Synchronika with the hope that the FCD upgrade kit would soon become available. Any insight on timeframe for purchase?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

@@LuckyDragon289 we will have upgrade kits available in the new year and they are not difficult to install

[@Iceman-xe7jo]

In your opinion this machine or the La Marzocco Mini? Is the mini worth the extra $2600 dollars?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

They are quite different types of machines. The flow control is a different experience from just a standard pump on the LMLM. The Linea Mini is a great machine but you do have to pay a premium. The price difference is significant, enough to buy a very good grinder.

[@johnadams9044]

Does all the infusion create serious acidity taste?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

There are a lot of other variables to consider, ie. temperature, grind, the coffee itself. The flow control just gives you another tool to customize your extraction to get the kind of taste you are looking for.

[@Dejan_23Unlimited]

Crazy question, I know. Is it a huge difference between Slayer *also low infusion and ECM ?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

It is possible to reduce the flow to a small trickle using the flow control device which is similar to the Slayer Espresso preinfusion

[@smile4ever363]

Wich one better ecm synchronika Or La Marzocco Linea Mini

[@MrRoclama]

La marzocco is better but but ecm is incredibly machine for home

[@johngilman760]

Great demo but I am not happy with this flow control knob as opposed to a paddle. Not thrilled with my ECM syncronika either.

[@CajournoOddity]

can you install the ecm kit or profitec kit on a lelit mara x. I know there a kit from lelit but this on cost less and i don't like the padle fromlelit kit. Thank you.

[@CajournoOddity]

Just bought one fromidinkcoffee, not the profited or ecm to put on my MaraX

[@bluefox041]

Hi, I've recently subscribed to your channel, you are great at explaining things, I just want to ask, my ecm starts it's pour at around 12 seconds what am I doing wrong

[@mafacdf]

Could be grinding too fine

[@WasimBarri]

The ECM kit comes with a spring to replace the existing spring in the lower part of the group. What's the purpose of that?

[@ange5354]

we were suprirsed to find that as well, we ended up changing the lower half but not sure why

[@WasimBarri]

@@ange5354 OK I found out, its to cut ECMs built in preinfusion so you now have complete control of your own preinfusion times.

[@albertomartin70]

120 volts or 240 volts? USA plug for 120 votls or 240 volts?

[@MrRoclama]

In USA have both

[@xiatian80]

Is this idea from Lelit Bianca? If not, what is the difference?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

Hi, yes it is the same type of device that the Bianca has but the flow control device predates both Lelit and ECM, this has been around for some time, it has just recently gained some interest again

[@rottiejakeluke]

I am interested in this ECM Synchronika and also the Lelit Bianca, both of which I would want with flow control. If you were to make the purchase, which of these two machines would you get? Please tell me why your choice was what it was? Thank you.

[@khairolzaini7246]

I have the same question! Hope you had the answer already

[@rottiejakeluke]

@@khairolzaini7246 I have not heard any input from others. however from what I’ve researched I believe both are very good machines. IMHO the Bianca gets you more bang for the buck, but is not as popular as the Synchronika. I feel the later is more popular because it is sold through more retailers across North America. If you want all the functions and save money than get the machine by Lelit. However, if you want recognition than get the EMC. I feel the Bianca has more sex appeal over the EMC. Good luck. Oh, the money you would save will be well spent for a better grinder and or towards a good scale if that your thing.

[@khairolzaini7246]

@@rottiejakeluke oh what machine did you get tho? Im still stuck between these two. I like the way the ECM looks and its built inside out. I havent seen any ECM owners in this country and lots are buying the bianca. So im thinking of the service and if somehow the ECM broke down. I'd have nowhere to repair 😂 the bianca instock here is the same price as if i bring in the ECM from Hongkong. Really gives me a headache!

[@rottiejakeluke]

@@khairolzaini7246 my purchase was squashed due to lack of funds which had to be used for a family emergency,

[@hitshot]

@@khairolzaini7246 which one did you get?

[@Amerczar]

Is it 220v 50-60ghz?

[@iDrinkCoffeeCanada]

All of the products that we sell are 110v but ECM is made in 220v, I would suggest contracting your local dealer or ECM directly for info

[@tonyb83]

How silly. On the second shot you showed the pressure reducing but did not show how you were controlling the flow, which is critical for us learners.

[@asabaniam1]

😊

[@johncharles2357]

At 2:23 when you start the shot, how does the manometer in the upper right read 9 bar, but the flow control manometer stays at 0? What pressure is the manometer in the upper right reading if the pressure in the brew head is still at 0?

[@stuipooey1]

John, the upper right manometer is the pump pressure, the flow control manometer is downstream of the flow control valve. By shutting this almost to fully closed it takes time for the pressure to build up.

[@toddpower4674]

Dont open flow control all way for a regular shot. Way to much flow..... 1 1/4 turns give you regular flow and a normal shot.

[@mrdobalina3451]

His word for describing differences in taste is “interesting”… Not helpful.