ECOBOOST VS COYOTE COMPARISON @ 108K

Back to back inspections of the 3.5L EcoBoost & 5.0L coyote.

[@robertwright1084]

I have 332,000+ miles on my 2013 super crew F150 with a 5.0, it’s still runs as good as the day I bought it brand new. I’ve done a few repairs, but nothing major as far as the engine is concerned. I rebuilt the transmission at 230,000 miles had the timing cover gasket and water pump replaced at 260,000 miles and have replaced both catalytic converter’s over the last 40,000 miles. I purposely did not buy the eco-boost even though it made a little more power. I always go to the old adage My dad taught me, a candle that burns twice as hot, burns half as long. This has been one of the best vehicles I have ever owned.

[@joes.7536]

I’m a coyote v8 fan. Best v8 ford has built since 1995. Although turbo engines can be very reliable if executed properly. I have a 265,000 Volkswagen Passat 1.8t. Still has full compression and uses no oil. Remember the turbo engines are generally much lower compression, and only see high cylinder pressure under high load, boosted situations. On the highway or cruising speeds. You are under vacuum. I would say on a daily drive my car is boosting less than 3% of the time. Now these new cheaply made aluminum block turbo 4 bangers are crap. Turbo engines do best with a cast iron block and quality internals in the short block.

[@Lumpia_In_Texas]

Sold my 14 5.0 after a year. Was a big pos.

[@steveeab2364]

​@@Lumpia_In_Texaslove my 14 5.0. Had it since new. Only issue was the coolant leak which was shown here.

[@ExtremelyAverageMan]

Good lord I'm glad I own a Tacoma

[@CJColvin]

Amen Brother, gotta love the legendary 5.0L Coyote V8.

[@Rocky1765]

Thank You!!! Salesman pushed that EcoBoost crap HARD on me, but I held my ground and stayed with the tried and true 5.0. So glad I did.

[@sbenn6917]

I have owned 2 3.5 ecoboosts. Traded my first one with 175000 ish miles on it. The one I have now has 150000 miles. No issues in either one. No it's not as reliable as the 5.0 but it's a great engine.

[@tylerbuck9347]

​@@sbenn6917 what years ecoboosts?

[@sbenn6917]

@tylerbuck9347 first 1 was 2011 and the 2nd 1 2018

[@michaelatkin9649]

You spend 70-90k on these new trucks and they're still pos for what you pay. It's insane. Someone needs to start a car company that sells just simple basic vehicles that they don't redesign everything every 4 years. They'll be cheaper and would eventually be bullet proof

[@soundman6241]

No excuse for the current quality in the newer cars, but a lot of the cost in new vehicles can be attributed to more and more fuel economy requirements and safety updates.

[@kurtgoertzen4637]

@@soundman6241 trucks really don’t get any better fuel mileage than they did a decade ago. Just more power and torque.

[@Jattmafia313]

It’s called Toyota…

[@lotuscorpse]

Why do you think GM is slowly phasing out the LS V8s. They're easy to work on and bullet proof as long as you do general maintenance. They don't get phenomenal fuel mileage, but they're well designed and reliable as hell.

[@gilbertopadilla3611]

​@@Jattmafia313True. When was the last time they had a new Tundra or 4Runner engine? 2008?

[@markreuter3274]

You just confirmed for me that choosing a 5.0 over the twin turbo v6 was worth effort. I recently got a 2013 with the 5.0. They are a lot harder to find than the v6s. But I wanted less maintenance and I enjoy my v8s.

[@993mike]

The normally aspirated V-8 engined trucks if you’re going to keep long term are the best option. To be honest, if you want to bet on absolute reliability go with a Toyota truck from the last generation non-turbo era.

[@markreuter3274]

@@993mike I know. Tundras are great trucks. But hard to find a good deal on one when on a budget. Finding one with the 5.7 and lower miles is tricky where I am. Prices are unreal. I had 2021 Tacoma trd sport. Nice truck but just out grew it. So far I’ve been enjoying the f150.

[@GrampyCampy]

I have a 2014 f150 xlt with a 5.0 and I love it! It’s got guts man!

[@Sp3rmWizrd]

Sike I got turned off by the oil consumption horror stories from 18-20 5.0s and my buddies both had blue smoke coming out of their 22s on start up

[@GrampyCampy]

I have a 2014 5.0 157,000 miles runs beautiful does not burn oil or anything!

[@chrisanderson1449]

I must have won the jackpot. 267k on my 2012 3.5L f150 I bought new. It is BY FAR the best engine I've ever owned. Original turbos, no cam phaser issues. It pulls hard and I do tow some pretty heavy trailers from time to time. Perhaps it would be a gamble, but I'd probably buy another. Great comparison video and I'd also have no qualms owing a 5.0 either.

[@lancelamoon6743]

There isn’t anything wrong with the 3.5 engines if you take care of them.

[@jasonamerica7618]

I have 127k on my 3.5 and I replaced the waterpump and coolant fittings on the turbos. The truck runs great and I also tow a lot. It's been good to me.

[@monsterdong7520]

It’s a hit or miss. I had a 3.5 expedition 200k miles not a single issue. My brother in law bought same one and turbos went out 2nd week

[@waynenoll1967]

Typical Ford owner, “I haven’t had any problems with it….just had to replace a transmission cooling line, the alternator, the head gasket, has a slight radiator leak at 65,000 but other than that it’s bulletproof “…

[@jasonamerica7618]

@Wayne Noll Typical ford hater talking trash and making stupid comments

[@dougbourdo2589]

My 2018 F150 5 Liter is fantastic. Just turned 100k miles. Bought used with 30k a year & a half ago. Did dozens of cross country trips moving my household 1500 miles. Love the truck. 26 mpg on the highway, 20 around town. Zero leaks, super low maintenance. Oil/filter changes regularly, etc. Rear brake pads. Nothing else. Given what new trucks cost I'll rebuild this one if I ever wear it out.

[@stevenmoomey2115]

2017, Same here on the MPG. Sweet Spot, for mileage is 65 MPH. Towed U-Haul one and two axel trailers through the Virginia and Kentucky Mountains, unbelievable mileage and towing performance. Only surprise was the Engine Braking It’s really hard to find anything about this in the owners manual, is my only complaint to Ford.

[@WilliamFiler]

Will never sell my 2015 5.0 4WD, likewise rebuild. Best truck ever made so far. Will buy Cyber truck when my turn comes up.

[@vlad1889]

20 mpg in a city out of 5.0 V8 No way..down a hill? 0 Traffic 0 stops 0 red lights?

[@michaelweaver2627]

@@vlad1889 Yeah, my 2019 F150 5.0 super cab 4 wheel gets around 18 mpg in my small town and I am not driving it hard. On the highway it can get 21 mpg or better Towing my 3200 pound travel travel gets around 12 mpg. I think the engine will hold up but the 10 speed transmission sounds bad and can shift hard

[@vlad1889]

@Michael Weaver I'm talking an actual city, not a small town. With traffic, many stops and idle time. I'm getting around 20 with my powerboost and you guys claiming the same with. 5.0

[@jeronronnunkoffunk4691]

Great comparison video, much needed and it’s a strong indicator of what buyers need to expect, especially given the expense of these trucks now👍🏽👍🏽🔥🔥

[@JohnSmith-qj7hd]

Thanks for the video! I’ve fixed the manifold in the driveway and what a horrible job and so many parts. I can’t wait to check the vacuum pump now that it’s winter. I’ve also noticed the truck since day one is always moist. I always ran it with the dehumidifier on. Can’t wait to check for the leaking window,

[@MJorgy5]

The ol 2v 4.6 is looking pretty good at 24 years old and no engine leaks.

[@knickly]

I don't miss the stock 4R70W, but you're not wrong...

[@jbnnm657]

Laughs in 4v 4.6 terminator. Have two and they are solid. The 2v is awesome too.

[@timan206]

My rust free 97 5.4 2 valve has no leaks.

[@mikewingler3042]

My 2002 F150 with 4.6 has some leaks in the common spots...but it does have 391,000+ original miles on it, so I'm not complaining. She runs well.

[@e4gail]

08 SCREW 4.6 with 200k miles on it. Still drives and rides like new. Not a single leak or issue. Will get a new truck when someone totals this one out.

[@tayzer22]

I've got a 2011 5.0 F150 FX4 and I love it. Great engine. I grew up a Chevy guy.

[@Kylewraps]

What mileage on it tho?

[@Aprojeep]

Always a Ford truck guy, including Broncos, I gave up on Ford trucks when the oil pan on my 92 F150 (new then) rusted through after 6 years and Ford wouldn't cover a thing. But yet my 77 Ford Thunderbird has been through every Wisconsin winter and the engine was rock solid.

[@GerardoGarcia-km4st]

My 2011 5.0 is rock solid with 200k miles on no problems with it and it’s a daily truck in and out of construction sites love my 5.0 💪

[@buddysumner4022]

I worked at a Ford dealership from 2014 till late 2019 ,and from my experience I would not own a 3.5 eco boost, our work bays stayed full with 3.5 eco boost problems censors, cam fazers , timein chain ,turbo problems and oil consumption problems, I’m a Ford guy but the 3.5 is a real problematic engine, we very seldom had any troubles out of the coyote and the 2.7 eco boost they are rock solid engines

[@johnhorton9637]

In January of this year I bought a 2018 Ford F-150 with the 5.0 engine. It had almost 96,000 miles on it. I put over 20,000 miles on it. It's been good to me

[@K9River]

Mom has the 1.6 Ecoboost. I hope it holds up.

[@macneoh7418]

I have a 1.0 three cylinder ecoboost on my Ford Focus. It is holding strong with 91K miles

[@fusionsportdaily1650]

I have the gen 1 2.7 in my Fusion Sport. I love how snappy she is. She sits at about 350hp with the mods I installed.

[@larryreno8293]

You must have a very short memory, 5.0 breaking valves springs, oil consumption complaints, ticking from the right bank… should I go one? The 2.7 with oil pans leaking, cylinder head issues for oil consumption. The gen 1 3.5 is a great engine with a great service history. Most of the turbo failures are due to lack of lubricator because of poor maintenance or using “budget” oil filters.

[@proee2471]

I own a 2014 super crew 3.5L TT, 103K miles on the clock and, so far, no issues with it (knock on wood). It has been a great truck. I do mine own maitainence on it. The oil and filter have been changed every 5K miles since the truck was new.

[@Rich32262]

So much more useful when I here a review from a mechanic. Thank you for taking the time.

[@raincitywrench117]

Thanks for watching!

[@paulhunter9613]

@Isn’t that rich A mechanic? More like a parts changer

[@jerrymcgeorge4117]

Glad I chose the 5.0l when I got my ‘13 STX. Has been a simply wonderful truck since brand new almost 10 years ago now.

[@pyromonster99]

2013 5.0 owner, only issue was upper radiator hose fitting leaking. 106k miles, no oil issues, no leaks,only use FL-500s filters change at 7.5k. At around 75k miles been running a 5 star 87 octane tune, no issues. Drain and filled the tranny at 40k and 90k with motorcraft LV, trans shifts strong. Drive the truck hard and routinely haul heavy payload.

[@ASMR-soothingsounds]

Love my coyote F-150. My sales rep tried like hell to sell me on an eco-boost model and I flat told him coyote only, or no deal.

[@markk3652]

The water leak on the steel bodied trucks was the damn 3rd brake light gasket letting water in and running down the inside of the cab structure to rot out the cab corners. Also, the inner rocker panels had giant holes stamped into them when built and a sticky tape to cover them up. The tape eventually falls off leaving the rockers open to every kind of debris to fill them up and rot them from within. I actually had sparrows building nests in my truck in the rocker panels.

[@lucascya2524]

That’s why I sold my 2009 f150…they spend millions if not billions on R&D and they couldn’t figure the above mentioned issues🤔

[@Pube83]

Lol typical American quality automobile.

[@timan206]

Clean out the holes in the pinch welds, if you don’t have some, make them, then warm up petroleum jelly and shoot it in with a turkey baster. No rocker rot in 25 year old daily drivers. Actually no rot….fluid film every 2 years. Not a red spot on my truck.

[@jpowell9343]

Also a 1" hole in each corner where the cabcorner bends. My light doesn't leak its the damn factory holes the cause the rust out. I've used oil and spray the areas, been working fine.

[@Hockeymike16]

wow! my cab corners began rotting after I noticed water in my 3rd brake light and that's the only rust on the truck with 270k miles 2012 f150 5.0

[@raptor700rse7]

Awesome job! good mechanic inspection.

[@guardrail2897]

I have a 1993 Chevy S10 with the 4.3L. 310,000 miles with not one issue. 1 water pump, plugs and wires, all new hoses, new a/c pump. That's the only maintenance I've done other than oil changes. But I don't drive it much anymore. The frame is rotten. We drive it around the farm a little bit. But she's still running.

[@vincentv646]

I've got a 2012 f150 XLT 5.0 V8 for my work truck and never had any major issues. So far I've had a turn signal lever fail, leaking oil pan gasket, cracked coolant hose, and a bad oil pressure sensor. All of which have been relatively easy fixes. Not too bad for a truck with 189,000 miles.

[@mosdurv]

That's normal wear, same issues with mine (2013) except the oil pressure sensor.

[@JoeHinesFla]

I have the same year and model but with 255k miles. I haven’t had any major issues but I’ve had all the items you listed minus the oil pressure sensor. I’m glad I went with the 5.0 vs the ecoboost.

[@Fence-Dogs-More]

My oil pan gasket started leaking when I stopped driving it for a couple weeks. Soon as I started again it went away

[@MB-gd6be]

man, good for you!

[@monkeyslap]

I had that exact same year 5.0. Rock solid reliable truck. Now I have at 2022 F250 6.2L :) I had to get the 6.2 mated to the 6-speed now, because the 6.2 won’t even be available 2023+. They have a new 6.8L as tbe default option now, and I suuure hate beta testing. Can’t go wrong with 6.2/6spd

[@nathanleroux2424]

I have a 2013 with a 5.0L. I've already fixed the coolant leaks and changed the transmission cooler lines. So glad I have the 5.0L!!

[@dirtyorganboy2264]

You mean the 5.slow 😅

[@alexgrindnshine2522]

Great video! As tech for 12 years I think videos like this are really helpful for people looking to buy older vehicles. Like you mentioned in the video if you have wrenched for long enough at a busy shop. You can look at the age and mileage of vehicle and know with about 80% accuracy what its going to need in repairs even before you put eyes on it.

[@raincitywrench117]

Thanks! 👍

[@davidbell7091]

have had four different 3.5 ecos, and one 2.7 eco. not one of these have had any of the problems shown here. they have been extremely reliable for me, and I love how they do not need to get high rpm to produce good power.

[@Ryan-sn6gn]

I have a contracting business and we have around 20 3.5 ecos in service at any given time. No failures.

[@alanmorrison3598]

How many miles?

[@alanmorrison3598]

@@Ryan-sn6gn How many miles?

[@alanmorrison3598]

@@Ryan-sn6gn You will!

[@Ryan-sn6gn]

@@alanmorrison3598 Usually retire them around 170k-180k simply because they have been visually beat up pretty hard (dents, torn seats, etc.). They lead very hard lives. 2 of my salesmen are over 250k now. They take good care of theirs though. Other than the occasional alternator or faulty sensor, they regularly live up to expectations.

[@MyProjectsFL]

I don't have any experience directly with the 3.5TT, but this is what I've heard over and over again. I had a 2002 4.6 2V, it had 244K miles when I got rid of it and never an issue with the engine. I mean, it was a dog, but it was a bulletproof dog. I now have and will continue to have a 2013 5.0L and it's great, it's reliable and isn't a dog. I have had a minor issue or two, like a radaitor connector issue and am oil pan gasket fixed, other than that, nothing and it just turned 190,000 miles. I even tow probably 10-15% of the time. I pull about 15-15.5mpg, however towing only nets me about 11mpg. It's super quiet, smooth and the power comes on very even and nicely.

[@scottwebber652]

My ‘14w/the 5.0 n 135k is dry underneath n other than replacing the 0- rings in the cooling lines for $10 n replacing the fluids early in the driveline it’s great. Only issue is keeping the battery charged as it’s not driven enough but I have a good program for that.

[@alleycatiron4395]

I owned a 6.0 powerstroke and got 278000km on it before I wrecked it jumping it 70 feet into a farmers field. It only ever needed an ficm, ipr valve and 2 steering pumps. Ran amazing when I wrecked it. I have a 13 ecoboost f150 I bought new in Dec 2012 it has 322000 km on it. Had the dealer do timing chains at 140 under special conditions as I was out of warranty but had every single maintenance record to prove the truck was well maintained. No rattle for about 100000km then it came back. Only first start of the day, so I just put my foot to the floor on the gas pedal and the truck won't start but it primes the oil and 9 times out of 10 it won't rattle. It's not worth it to fix. Had an hvac unit fail but only because 22lr casing went down the dash vent and jammed up the mode door, 1600$ later. For some reason it likes to eat upstream driver side 02 sensors. The door latch mechanisms fill with dust and jam which leaves you unable to get in the truck. They are junk. I change spark plugs every 50k as it starts to miss while passing. Minor coolant leaks from turbos. It has been a tough truck and is still a great drive. I hope to get another 100k out of it if I can. I do my oil changes every 5000km as fuel in the oil can be a problem with long intervals which wears the timing chains out faster. I would buy it again, it gave me ten years of loyalty, it needs tires and gas. Good to go.

[@HughesEnterprises]

75K miles on my ‘18 Mustang GT PP1 with the 5.0. Has the coyote tick warming up but it hasn’t changed at all in 60K miles and runs just like day 1.

[@dylaa9782]

A pretty consistent issue I have been seeing is the bushing in the CDF drum of the transmission. It shifts and ends up slicing into the Teflon seals. It makes sure erratic shifting and false neutrals. The way I diag it is to clear the adaptive tables and if it gets worse it's almost always the CDF drum.

[@Rick-um6lg]

Which motor are you talkin about for the Ford

[@dylaa9782]

@@Rick-um6lg the 10 speed transmission. The engine doesn't matter.

[@Rick-um6lg]

I thought that each motor had a different transmission I didn't know if you were talking about the V6 or 8-cylinder

[@dylaa9782]

@@Rick-um6lg on an f150 they are all 10r80 transmissions. Engine does not matter

[@Rick-um6lg]

I never knew that V6 have the same transmission as a v8

[@swirvin704]

My 2011 F-150 5.0L 212k miles. Around 10k miles back had rear main seal and oil pan seal done. Also had lead frame connector issue and had it replaced. Recently did water pump and hoses. Then had a parasitic current draw on battery. I was very close to buying a new truck as the current draw was hard to figure out and was getting frustrating. Got lucky and found someone on the Ford forum who had same issue. It ended up being the backup camera harness had corrosion and that was the cause. Even with those issues it's still cheaper then a new truck payment.

[@jimhenry5048]

Great video, very educational. Thank you

[@jackg7225]

Thanks for the info, I’ll have to take a look under mine. I had a 2010 5.0 engine that I thought was pretty solid, good gas mileage. Sold it after 8 month due to hail damage. I replaced it with a 2011 3.5 - I love the power, it tows my Travel Trailer with no issues and kicks ass on mountain passes. I just wished it got the gas mileage that the window sticker stated 15/21, I’m lucky to get 15 on on mostly hwy travel.

[@69BOSS429]

09 & 2010 trucks had the 5.4 3v. 5.0 and 3.5 were introduced in the F150 in 2011

[@jackg7225]

@@69BOSS429 Okay, 5.4 does sound right. Thanks

[@hackfreehvac]

*ANY turbo engine is going to add maintenance and complexity* My 2015 3.5 EB is still strong tho. I got the platinum with the shifter in the console and the 4WD Auto mode which seems pretty friendly on the asphalt and love how sporty it is and how much QUICKER it is than the V8 trucks. It is still a fun truck. And after I had upgraded the Sync Touchscreen to the newer version with Android Auto etc I am not in a hurry to get rid of it. Oh, the V8's with the cylinder deactivation nonsense are often WORSE than a turbo engine for longevity issues. Keep that in mind!

[@karlherzog3979]

Good video. I was thinking of getting an eco boost but now I know better👌🏻

[@johnlachapelle9089]

Thanks for the much needed info. I'm on the the fence on what engine I want to get on my next truck? Going with the V8 for sure

[@slowstang88]

This is why I bought a used 5.0. 2016 just turned over 85,000 and I'd suggest an oil air separator to keep oil vapor from getting into the engine via the PCV system. I love my truck

[@DragNetJoe]

I HATE sunroofs. I've had a couple cars with sunroofs because they were automatic with the trim level I wanted. Fortunately they rarely leak if you open them 3 times in 10 years.

[@Baneslayer]

Thank you for showing me all this!

[@raincitywrench117]

No problem 😊

[@barabas688]

I wish my town had a mechanic like you!

[@98woodcrafting]

I have a 16 3.5 with 170k on it. Had zero issues and still runs mint. Pretty much all hiway so that probably has a lot to do with it I guess

[@JohnnyLightningV10]

You probably have issues but just don't hear it nor see it yet. They all fail

[@johnnixon]

Yeah, I've replaced just about everything you've mentioned on my 2016 3.5. It sucks, but the alternative in this market is worse. If you have to get someone else to do the work it's definitely in the thousands, but doing it yourself it isn't quite as pricey. Just did the passenger valve cover and vacuum pump and did all the Jiffy connects last year. That was a major pain in the butt. I wouldn't recommend a 3.5 used since you're dealing with so many unknowns. If you get it new and can maintain it, I think they do OK. Mine has done an amazing job towing through steep mountain terrain.

[@Rick-um6lg]

My friend the 302 just about bulletproof no turbos to blow it don't have the problem with the bolts on the exhaust braking it's just like the old days 302 don't give much problem at all

[@martinhooper6781]

Buy Toyota

[@marlu6373]

yes you do have choice duramax disel 3.0 chevy

[@CJColvin]

​@@Rick-um6lgDefinitely take the Coyote V8 over the EcoBoost V6 anyday.

[@sylvesteradim1532]

Thanks for this truthful review!

[@raincitywrench117]

Always!

[@kerrylewis2581]

Thanks for taking the time to film and comment.

[@johnrocheleau9946]

I tried to tell my dad that he shouldn’t buy an eco boost (I own a 2017 5.0L). He insisted that he needed the greater towing capacity that the eco boost offered. Less than 40k miles he already had to have cam phasers replaced. Ever since, he’s had over heating issues. It’s always been a junk engine. I don’t care what the manufacturer is, direct inject just introduces more problems. Good video. Accurate representation. For all the nay sayers…. This is the guy who sees a much bigger cross section than your one off, “I’ve never had a problem” scenario. It’s not that there aren’t eco boosts that make it 300k without issues. There certainly are. It’s that as a general rule…. They’re a much more problematic engine than the (pre-2018) 5.0L. 2018+, there’s not an f150 drive train I’d be interested in purchasing. IMO they’re all junk. Unless Ford changes their ways… I’ll be going Toyota or Nissan for my next half ton truck. Thankfully, my 2017 5.0L has allot of life left in it. So I won’t be worrying about that decision for sometime.

[@raincitywrench117]

Couldn't have said it any better. I think the Allen Mulally era Fords were the best. I don't need a third vehicle but couldn't pass up a 14 F150 5.0 6R80 SCREW 5'7" with the loaded 502A equipment package. It was a trade in a few weeks back so made and offer and bought it. Has 146k on the clock but runs and drives like a top. I expect it to go another 100k 🙂

[@zachhollingsworth2819]

There's a reason why fleets run mostly five liters 3.5 is fun till it's has all those problems

[@weldchip]

@@raincitywrench117 F150 5.0 6R80 4x4 is the best combo out there i have one of the last Nov 2017 models before the 10speed and the cylinder/oil consumption issues. fingers crossed it lasts forever, it will do 19mpg towing a small trailer with my side by side and 24mpg on a run if it keep it at 60mph, even at 70 mph it will do 19-20ish the ecoboost 3.5's for feel a bit more lively and less heavy footed but the 5.0 is no slouch and I'm happy sacrifice a little tiny bit of performance for trouble free motoring

[@christuttle3980]

My 2013 F150 5.0 going good 125000 miles on it😎 Plus it sounds a whole lot better then a V6!

[@seanzafft4271]

I like my turbo noise

[@MyProjectsFL]

@@seanzafft4271 Noise true, the Coyote produces music my friend😉

[@Mark_Tschetter]

@@seanzafft4271 Does your wallet like it too?

[@seanzafft4271]

@Mark T it's not bad. My personal is a ecoboost and my work truck is a 5.0 and there's not much different, even with towing in my experience with both

[@Bill-ts9zv]

Good video comparing the two

[@gene2200]

Great video, my instincts and much research said go with xlt150 coyote, had all the maintenance records since the warranty was up. Had to put a Motorcraft thermostat in to stop the fans. Was a superintendents lease truck, probably mostly highway, being in the trades about the only thing they haul is paychecks on Thursdays. Did get a new battery terminal from Dorman, it was neglected, cleaned up the old one and p068a code went away, was -4 out, deal with that in warmer weather for piece of mind otherwise no complaints so far, knock on wood. Oh and the mykey sucks, adjusted some settings and turned off ign, now I have to get another key to get back into the menu...

[@RJenkins6586]

Can't say for the 1st gen, but my 2nd gen Ecoboost has been extremely reliable and sitting at 130k. This engine is amazing and a couple bolt ons and a tune unlocks a good amount of HP.

[@raincitywrench117]

The second gen 3.5 is much better

[@TheGoat-oj9hs]

@@raincitywrench117 when did the 2nd gen start? Is it the 2018-2020 ones?

[@raincitywrench117]

@@TheGoat-oj9hs 17 to present on the F150 and 18 to present on the expedition.

[@slome4467]

2nd gen have Cam Phaser problem

[@RJenkins6586]

@@slome4467 I have a 17 with 135K now original cam phasers no issues yet.

[@terryoconnor4208]

Thank you for the video. That is great. Very helpful information.

[@raincitywrench117]

You are welcome!

[@joeldoxtator9804]

I have a 2015 5.0 gen 2 coyote. No complaints about the engine, mostly just accessories. Both accessory belt tensioners had to be replaced early on, then next to no issues other than maintenance. My scariest issue was the transmission cooler lines rotting through, you don't catch that early it can destroy the transmission. The rest of the work on the truck has been me being way over protective. I've replaced the entire suspension all around due to wanting an upgrade, added swaybar at the back and upgraded the front,. Replaced all wheel bearing at 75000 Km, U-joints and all drive train fluids/filters. Replaced spark plugs at about 50000km. did new rims and tires all around about 5 years into owning it. I foresee this vehicle lasting at least 25 years.

[@Squat5000]

2013 eco boost. Very hard life. 146K miles. Just now getting ready to do timing chain and overhaul myself. Very few issues, other than the damn blend door actuator going out on the passenger side. Decently simple fix thanks to the tips from FTM channel. But I couldn't imagine a better truck. Company I worked for had Chevy and ram trucks. They all had more problems even with an easier life. It's all luck of the draw

[@tomsears2471]

the blend door replacement is a PIA

[@M855Patriot]

I just took the part out and zip tied it in the recirc position and unplugged the actuator. PITA and I wasn't about to take everything apart to actually replace the part (if you have any tips and tricks, please let me know!)

[@tomsears2471]

@@M855Patriot wear gloves. 🙂I beat up my hands replacing it. It actually took two people to successfully do it. I do love my truck though.

[@tomsears2471]

@@M855Patriot my only tip would be to wear gloves if you were actually replacing it. It my brother in law and myself maybe an hour, but it required more than one human being. I tore my hands up pretty good that day.

[@davidnethers8667]

I work for a utility,fords chevy/gmc and dodge in many trims,ford makes the best truck overall, many problems with dodge but Gm trucks are total trash! Personal truck is a tundra, I tow trailers haul loads and it has been much more reliable at 100000 miles than any domestic

[@rds990]

Have owned 8 F-150 Supercrews. All but 2 were V8's (old 5.4 and then 5.0 Coyotes). Honestly never kept them long enough for major issues but always was a little nervous about the long term potential of my EcoBoost trucks. Just bought the 2022 FX4 with a 5.0 and now that I am retired and "bumming" around the USA a bit, I have 100% confidence in my ability to take this thing 150k+ (Now at 11,000 so it's a newborn).

[@raincitywrench117]

People swear by the EcoBoost engine and the power it builds but the cost of ownership will be much less with the 5.0L in the long run.

[@jimsteinway695]

@@raincitywrench117 I really believe that depends on your maintenance. You have to do oil changes on the 3.5 has to be every 5000 miles or every year, like any other turbo motor. I think a lot of people think they can get in a drive and forget . And you can’t.

[@markkauffman6184]

@@jimsteinway695 Changing the oil frequently will help some but it will not stop the oil leaks and exhaust manifold studs breaking.

[@timsully8054]

I've never had or seen a Chevy that didn't have broken exhaust studs....

[@brandonb390]

Atleast you're smart and don't buy the pos ecoboost!

[@PeterBranco]

Wow! Thank you for the video.

[@markt7291]

Yep. I have two f150 5.0 trucks. Can’t complain. Good motors.

[@estevanmariani4361]

Just hit 301k on my 2018 F150 2.7. Still on original trans ( DIY replaced valve body w/forscan recharacterization) 2.7 is rock solid.

[@DoyleHargraves]

I have heard that they are the 300-I6 of their generation.

[@tylerbuck9347]

​@@DoyleHargraves 300 i6?

[@DoyleHargraves]

@@tylerbuck9347 yes. Tough and reliable. Never breaks down.

[@richdelgzz]

Have owned my 2015 3.5 ecoboost since new and still runs great. Had to replace a $75 O2 sensor so far🤞 change the engine oil/air filter every 3-5k depending on conditions.

[@92clintonr]

Yea but how many miles do you have ?

[@scooterman7888]

My bother has a 2014 3.5 with 201,000 miles on it and the only problem he's had is the transmission slipping. So he replaced all the lines, oil and the pickup tube inside of the transmission now no slip!

[@richdelgzz]

85k miles so far.

[@92clintonr]

@@scooterman7888 My buddies 2014 has 165,000 kms. He's replaced cats twice, turbo once and had his timing chains replaced already...

[@scooterman7888]

@@92clintonr That sucks!!

[@josephthornton9121]

I have a 2017 2nd gen Raptor with the 3.5TT. It’s given nearly 70k flawless miles, and certainly not lacking power. Maybe Ford has worked out some of the kinks in the later gen ecoboosts? I also have the panorama sunroof and, of course, aluminum skin. No issues there either. I don’t doubt this fellow’s observations as a mechanic and have seen others polled in vids on 5L vs 3.5 ecoboost. Some come across as pretty old school “no replacement for displacement” types. I’ll likely stick with the 3.5 when I replace this truck in a few years.

[@AbronHawkins]

I have a 2004 F 150 with the 5.4 Triton V8. If I wanted a new one, I’ll go for the V8

[@johnfeliciano7560]

I currently own a 2014 f150 lariat 4x4 it has the 3.5L eco boost and has 263K miles and no issues from what I've seen on the forms its more about maintenance, and for some reason a hit or miss I just keep up with its maintenance, nothing special, my goal with it is to see if it can get a million miles off of it.

[@CesarPerez-gu3ix]

What’s your maintenance schedule look like? Oil change every what? How often do you do your spark plugs?

[@floater81floats37]

2013 f150 5.0 200 000km and ive done intermediate steering shaft( needle bearings seized up), starter repaced, same coolant leak from fitting in video, and im starting to get some weirdness from transmission because lead frame needs to be replaced but the part is on 6 month backorder. Blower motor resistor died, alternator seized up but i sprayed it with pb blaster and its working again lol.

[@spiceyfrenchtoast9421]

Can Forscan disable cylinder deactivation? Or is it only the auto-stop-start it disables?

[@jonbruce536]

Great video. I have 2020 5.0. Even tho the dealer tried to sell me the Eco, I'm old school and wouldn't do it. This validates my concerns.

[@brandonb390]

You made the right decision. They always try to push those junk ass ecoboosts on everyone. They are shit!

[@slmjake]

Sir what kind of mpgs do you get in your truck with the 5.0?

[@jonbruce536]

@@slmjake 24.5 on a long trip usually running around 70 was the best. I have the 10 speed which is ok. A good friend who has a 2019 Silverado drove this truck the other day and said the difference between them is " dramatic" in his words. He said the Coyote was noticeably stronger and he loved the handling. Obviously, the old Ford- Chevy debate.

[@slmjake]

@Jon Bruce sir thanks so much for sharing! I am trying to find a f150 with heavy duty payload package and then debate 5.0 or 3.5. Your info is very helpful! Rented a f150 with 2.7 and on 1000 mile trip it averaged 21.5. Then the following week we got a chevy with 5.3 and it too averaged about the same mpgs! The Ford was more powerful but the 5.3 was fine as well. Folks tell me the Ford 5.0 is noticeably more power.

[@scottyV1000]

@@slmjake My 15 5.0 never did worse than 18 mpg and would easily do 21 on a long trip. The 11 3.5 I had was all over the place from 16 to 19.

[@pbaker7160]

It mostly comes down to engine maintenance and how you drive the truck. If you don’t change the oil in ecoboost engines at least every 5k you’re going to have issues over time. I guarantee most of the failures with turbos and the timing chain issues are caused by lack of maintenance.

[@marlu6373]

timing chain yes turbos are a different ballgame

[@jasonamerica7618]

The coolant tubes and fittings can be replaced without removing the turbo. I have replaced all of mine. I did remove the intake to do the passenger side

[@Pofdmanaxe]

I’ve owned 2 ecoboosts first one ‘11 223k I replaced both the manifolds x2. The 4wd hub x4. Second ‘16 ecoboost 108k miles only issues are the sunroof, and rear defroster not working. The heated/ac seats suck /don’t work. My massaging seat doesn’t work in the driver side. No mechanical issues yet

[@Jay-bw3fl]

Hub replaced FOUR times????

[@Pofdmanaxe]

@@Jay-bw3fl yeah I was using ones of Amazon that didn’t hold up I finally bought oem and they last a lot longer

[@BOSS-xy8op]

Wow...the V8 is the way to go. I've heard some crazy stories about those Ecoboost trucks.

[@diesel6594]

Like what?

[@diesel6594]

We know the 5.0 had oil consumption issues.

[@paulhunter9613]

@@diesel6594 and the death rattle…

[@paulhunter9613]

@boss You shouldn’t listen to crazy stories from your mothers boyfriend, sisters , neighbors dog walker.

[@BOSS-xy8op]

@@paulhunter9613 🤣🤣🤣

[@brandonb3503]

Almost to 108k on our '17 5.0L work truck. So far so good.

[@TheDfrancis37]

I haven’t had a problem with my eco boost except the phasers 10 years later. Have 3 of them and no problems.

[@ADVF800GS]

I have a 1st gen 3.5 in my 11 F150 with 323,576 all original and still going strong, regularly pull our 26’ Trophy fishing boat and a 30’ camper, not at the same time of course lol. I love my ecoboost.

[@TheGrobe]

But you’ve at least had some major service? Cam phasers, timing chain, solenoid etc.?

[@ADVF800GS]

@@TheGrobe nope, not a single thing, only thing I’ve had replaced are the exhaust manifolds because they warped and of course the basic tune up like plugs and coils, but I just change the oil regularly with Ford Motorcraft oil and a ford 500s filter.

[@TheGrobe]

@@ADVF800GS That’s way less than I’ve done to my 5.4 L at 170,000 miles! Granted I’m guessing most of yours are easy highway miles, still very impressive.

[@ADVF800GS]

@@TheGrobe My mileage is 50/50, during the winter time I do Gas/pellet fireplace repairs and maintenances, during the summer I do mobile boat detailing & audio/lighting installations and moor repairs, I have even done hotshot hauling with this truck for a while and hauled a storage container loaded with some peoples stuff for moving from LA to Reno, I just keep it clean and do my own maintenance, the manifolds I had ford do because of the oil & coolant lines, but other than that it’s been an absolute wonderful truck.

[@TheGrobe]

@@ADVF800GS Color me surprised! Thanks for the info. I just put about 7K into mine and in the next couple years when it has another major thing go wrong, I need a plan for a newer truck. I hate to say it but, I think Ford is the only reliable American brand and driving a Toyota creates other issues I don’t want to deal with. I travel a lot to see family and I pull a 33 foot trailer a couple thousand miles a year. So if I’m going to spend that kind of money on something, I have to know that it’s going to last a few hundred thousand miles and I don’t exactly trust the Ford salesman when he tells me it will! Thanks again bud!

[@barryklinedinst6233]

I have a 16GT Premium 5.0 . Never missed a beat . I drive her daily

[@169abr]

15 GT here, 105k on the clock, daily car, same story except for 1 water pump which is not a bother at all.

[@eo8513]

Looking at a Transit 350 high roof extended for a camper conversion. I do NOT want the Ecoboost engine. Is the newer naturally aspirated 3.5 a reliable engine? They have the same horsepower as the Promaster but AWD which I need. Great content so thanks!

[@Gman-qm6bv]

Great video, thanks!

[@abominablestormtroopersnow4510]

2015-2017 5.0 Gen2's are the best. Steel oil pan, no cylinder deactivation, or auto start stop to mess with. And no oil consumption problems. Sold my 2019 with the Gen3 due to the oil consumption and 10 SPD (10R80) tranny problems. Still got my 2016 5.0 with the 6spd tranny and it is flawless. Side note: put a catch can on the 5.0s.

[@raincitywrench117]

Agree

[@justingill5256]

Yep my 2015 5.0 will stall at idle if I run oil to 5k, that 5.0 is solid I tow 8k with 3.31 gears lol she is holding up but intake runners broke towin replace mani and seen alot of oil in mani. Installed catch can 21 ported gt mani with oz omega tune and jlt cai 👌👍

[@spiceyfrenchtoast9421]

Why do you need a catch can for a na V8? I thought it was only the eb engines that really benefited from one?

[@justingill5256]

@@spiceyfrenchtoast9421 I had alot of oil in my manifold when I changed it. I live in cold climate lots of milky stuff. Lots of engines have blow by and gases from cold starts you're simply catching most of it. Recommend people like me who do lots of short trips. Thin as oil and direct injection it's a must!

[@justingill5256]

Even tho it's port injection still needed on many newer engines

[@kirrus4781]

I ordered a regular cab with a 5.0... Hopefully it didn't give me problems with the new cylinder deactivation

[@raincitywrench117]

Watched a video a couple months back. If you want to deactivate it, think all that has to be done is disconnect the battery monitor sensor on the negative terminal. There are videos out there about this topic

[@kirrus4781]

@@raincitywrench117 thank you brother 👍

[@jbone_malone]

This is such a good video! I am curious to see how the new ones do over time and mileage

[@raincitywrench117]

From what I have seen so far, the third gen is much more reliable. Ford has redesigned so many things including the phasers.

[@dagabbagool2600]

The mildew smell is the sunroof wind deflector 4:04. It gets wet whenever it rains and needs regular cleaning.

[@aronsingletary]

It's ok, my 2015 Silverado has a water issue and doesn't have a sun roof.

[@justotorres8970]

150000+ on my 2016 5.0 I do my own maintenance no leaks runs great.

[@SkullJelly]

2012 F-150 XLT 4x4 with the 5.0 and just hit 180,000 and she still kicks ass.

[@justotorres8970]

@@SkullJelly I have been looking to install a twin turbo kit . Much cheaper then getting a new pick up.

[@JCK0711]

what make, model, and year would you consider to be the most well-built 3/4 ton truck? Thanks for your advice.

[@lindydeer9240]

Interesting comparison

[@zackhaas3267]

I prefer the Ecoboost myself, although I do my own repairs. Recently replaced the vacuum pump on mine (2013 w/ 112,000) and mine ended up being the valve cover. Other than that no other issues for me, but it is a Montana vehicle with much less rust and corrosion than these. I like the sound of a turbo and the powerband of the Ecoboost. It also tows like a beast.

[@raincitywrench117]

Figured I'd do a cost of ownership since I had one of each at the same time even though anything can fail on either engine depending on maintenance. The EcoBoost does build more power and apparently better fuel mileage even though my brother's new 3.5L Bronco only gets 17mpg but it does have 35's.

[@zackhaas3267]

@@raincitywrench117 ha! I wish mine got 17mpg! It does when we get to less mountainous areas, but where we live its 80mph on the interstate with lots of hills, and I average 14-16mpg depending on the wind. I still love it though, it's comfortable and smooth. Pulls a horse trailer like there's nothing behind it, but then I'm lucky to get 12mpg with it maybe! I'm a diesel mechanic though, and just couldn't justify a diesel pickup, so I settled for the next best thing in my eyes.

[@Phantom096]

I agree! You can’t beat a boosted engine.

[@jason91205]

I did the same exact thing on my 2015 3.5 ecoboost. Ended up being valve cover on mine as well

[@jeffhartman7545]

Had a few of both and like you I prefer the 3.5 ten folds... I'd happily pay a few thousand dollars in repairs vs a few hundred at 100k miles to take advantage the much better driving experience and excellent pulling power that the 3.5 has over the 5.0.

[@kdeltatube]

Thanks for this instructive video. I know what to avoid!

[@Ozzypup1]

And this is why I told my wife we are getting the 5.0 when we bought our F150 a couple years ago.

[@bradbury2007]

2104 3.5 190k on it only had the booster pump problem. It's been a good truck. The best part was I got it a year old for 30k vs. 60k, plus the newer models out now. They sure as hell shouldn't break down for that price .

[@gidderman]

I take the opportunity when doing broken manifold bolts on various makes and models to weld in flex pipes just after the down pipes. This eleminates alot of the strain put on the mani when the engine is under load and moving around, whilst the rest of the exhaust is ridged to the frame. Some vehicles i even add rubber exhaust hanger supports just after the flex pipes (that i have just installed) and i attach them to the t-case or transmission with custom mounts to help the flex pipe live longer. Best solution hands down...

[@92clintonr]

The issue isn't from excessive movement. The issue is that the bolts, engine heads and exhaust manifolds are all different metals so they heat and contract at different rates. It's a matter of time before a bolt breaks. The best remedy is actually installing headers. No flimsy flex pipe to rust away or anything like that. Headers with arp bolts last forever.

[@davidmadden7439]

I have a 2012 f- 150 3.5 ecoboost tt it has 278,000 . Only had the driver side rear axle seal and the oil pan replaced water pump, top hose, coolant bottle updated supply hose replaced. It's been a GREAT truck, my wife has had problems with her ( now gone) 2017 explorer.

[@medix1203]

I have a 99 expedition and just replaced the heater core .. other than minor things that wear out.... I'm still running strong. Yeah that 5.0 is peppy but if it's already leaking then what good is it.

[@joe1071]

Loved my 3.5 ecoboost, especially for towing heavy and in the mountains. An absolute BEAST! I don’t trust any of the big 3 for long term reliability. Anything past 150k for any of their vehicles puts me on edge. It’s not necessarily the engines, but everything in their vehicles just doesn’t seem to last. The only half ton I would want to keep after 150k would be the tundra. After owning ford, Chevy, and Toyota there’s no comparison. My Toyotas were always less cutting edge fancy featured, but damn they were solid as can be. And I’m talking everything was solid. Of course they aren’t perfect, and there are some stinkers to watch out for even with Toyota, but in general they just can’t be beat for longevity vehicles

[@Pube83]

Well said, I'm a Lexus Toyota die hard. Just read the guys comments above on the f150 about a $1 gasket going out and rusting the cab or the running boards/rockers filling with debris and rotting. I've read just as many horrors with ram and gm trucks.

[@joe1071]

@@Pube83 that is all true. I had to fix some of the dumbest stuff on that f150. Some of it ecoboost specific, and a lot of just regular f150 cheap BS. Like the quick connect coolant attachments. They all leak and need replacing. Works well under warranty, but not made for the long haul. Blend actuator motor went out. Two rear differentials. The list goes on. The power was unbelievable, but I’d ditch it at 100k especially if you tow a lot. It’s not even the cost to maintain all these cheap parts, it’s all the work scheduling time to get in the shop, wait for the work to be done, figure out transportation in the meantime since Ford dealers don’t do loaners anymore, etc. It’s a major time sink. My Toyota’s never waste my time

[@OfOld]

Shop has 3 tundras...08,10 and 13....2 over 250k and still running strong and we're towing skid steers, dingos..no engine issues whatsoever

[@richardsimmons6526]

I love older toyota. New Toyota isn't the same.

[@richardsimmons6526]

@@joe1071 5.0?

[@crank1422]

I remember growing up in the 80’s & 90’s and hearing about how much technology was supposed to help manufacturing in both cost and quality. My experience has been that cost has risen astronomically and quality has gone way down. I know at least 10 people now who are buying 20-30 year old trucks and fixing them up as daily drivers because buying an engine/transmission and updating wear and tear items is cheaper than paying $70K for a new truck that leaks like a sieve or destroys it’s own engine every 10K miles.

[@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186]

Serious. The 1st gen tacoma price goes up and so many folks want that pre 2000s computer Era.

[@crank1422]

@@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186 Serious. Because they’re not using carburetors. You can pick up aftermarket EFI and run it on just about anything.

[@scottsigmon926]

Very good video. Thank you

[@sailsoon1]

In 2011 I had to decide weather it would be a 5.0 or an eco boost for the new truck. Being the conservative sort went with the 5.0 even though PR at the time was heavily weighted to the eco boost. Now have 135k on the 5.0 and have had zero problems. Just finished a 15,000 mile trip from the east coat to Alaska and back with the travel trailer. Ran perfectly.

[@4strokefordsmoke]

Love my 2011 5.0 with 116k on it. The only issue I have is on exhaust stud connecting my manifold to my y pipe it's actually broken right off. I've never seen that happen before

[@raincitywrench117]

Same here

[@jdaniels1371]

I own a 2011 F150+ 4x4 + 5.0 coyote with 189K miles. Overall it's been a good truck. Besides the regular maintenance, the only real issues I've encountered were transmission related and the IWE system. Personally, I think the automatic tranny is the weak point of the truck.

[@MalosGarage]

Same! 229k Just replaced the IWE lineand speed sensor in the trans. Great engine though

[@m.m14433]

I have same truck. Replaced iwe line and leaky coolant reservoir. 171k kms. Good truck. Apparently the factory transmission lines (2010-2014 i think) are faulty and should be replaced asap, as per TSB as they can leak at the couplings.

[@alexgrindnshine2522]

From a mechanic stand point the 5.0 looks like a really easy engine to work on in the truck. When comparing it to the 5.4 3v and 5.4 2v - 4.6. The older ford engines in the trucks are pain in the ass to work on when compared to Chevy or Dodge. Happy people are reporting good things. If I bought a Ford truck I would probably go with the 5.0

[@lh98]

I appreciate this video comparison and I am so thankful I bought my 2015 5.0 coyote. I never trust engines with a turbo. Hopefully I get problem free longevity

[@acruz639]

You will get a long life with that truck. Have a 13 5.0 work truck with 220,000 and runs like a dream

[@lh98]

@@acruz639 only thing that gets me is oil consumption. 2k miles after an oil change it starts to eat it up and I have to watch it and add more. Wondering if pcv valve is bad or what because I didn’t expect that. Out of warranty now so...

[@reaality3860]

Ford may never again prosper until they improve its engineering and the quality of its parts. My 2011 Kia and 2012 Toyota, with the same miles on the odometer, have had their issues, but not like this Ford Eco-boost.

[@stuffandthings8767]

Cut a socket in half weld it to the box end of a combo wrench. take your line out and use your wrench. Works perfectly for your turbo coolant lines.

[@jimbro5223]

I own a 2012 F-150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost with 155K miles on it. It has no oil leaks that I know of, and I do my own oil changes. It runs as good as new. The only major issue I had was with the trans cooler line that is aluminum and fatigue fractured, causing a trans fluid leak leaving me on the side of the road. The damage caused by this did lead me to have to replace the trans but that is not related to any 3.5L engine issues noted here.

[@ericocasio2877]

How much did it cost to replace the transmission?

[@jimbro5223]

I found a very low mileage used trans (Less than 30K) for $900+ (vrs $4,000+ new) and had it installed for $500 at a local shop. @@ericocasio2877

[@bpitotbrett5839]

I had the choice of turbo or 5.0 in 2015. Bought an XLT 5.0 coyote super crew (2014). Keep it serviced. Changed all the fluids at 50k. Runs well. Two issues. Ford wants to put in a new battery every 24-36 months. I trickle charge it up every 60 days and take the charge off as soon as it’s full but makes no difference. Gas port cover has broken twice and won’t stay closed. Not buying a new one. Keep this one until one of us dies.