Why Do Mechanics HATE BMW?

[@vintagehaynesflute]

My mechanic specializes in Mercedes-Benz and BMW. When I asked why so many mechanics hate BMW he said, “ I love BMWs. They make me a ton of money!”

[@ECPP]

That’s true, some do as a money maker

[@mrm3686]

Yes im a certified technician and do Mobile service myself and I make great amount of money but my work And knowledge and job gets Done

[@juljasmaharchive]

Tru lol

[@paulofelicianosaningo7369]

Mechanics Love Them. They break too often! More profit to the shop.

[@ECPP]

Lol, cheers

[@fastboatster]

Well I guess they must love VW group products even more)

[@nihonkokusai]

@@fastboatster bring me (to the) workshop 😂

[@thepoormillionaire9839]

No they dont

[@thepoormillionaire9839]

@@fastboatster and I also had a vw anD had 0 issues

[@4syth]

I'm a mechanic, BMW enthusiast and owner. The workshop I'm at doesn't specialise in Euro cars but we do see a lot of them for servicing and repairs, I always get given the more difficult jobs, I don't mind. BMWs really aren't that hard to work on and anyone complaining otherwise needs to update/improve their knowledge and skill set. I'm not "factory trained" by any manufacturer, the internet is an amazing tool and if you're capable of using that in your pursuit of successful outcomes you really shouldn't have problems training yourself. In fact, my trade qualification is as a heavy equipment diesel mechanic, but my passion is not for trucks and earthmoving equipment, I'm a car guy, I made great money over the last 20 years working on the big stuff now I'm just cruising along as a workshop foreman in a general car workshop and I'm the happiest I've ever been.

[@wepmo]

Totally correct! Mechanics that don´t have much experience on BMW, should NOT be touching them!

[@jtswhitewater4940]

I’m a mechanic and love working on BMW no matter how old abused of neglected all of the repairs I’ve had to do have been very simple to do. I think the mechanics you are talking about are just parts replacers. I see a lot of people just throw money at them and never do a proper diagnosis.

[@noorhalabi1648]

Where r u at ?

[@jtswhitewater4940]

Noor Halabi I’m Canadian

[@grzegorz16100]

You clearly are clueless 🤣🤣🤣

[@grzegorz16100]

I bet all you done is some sparkplugs with your mates on weekend.

[@jtswhitewater4940]

@@grzegorz16100 My guess is you don’t even have a car

[@juniorwilkinson8968]

Scotty is gonna have a field day with this.😂😅😂

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@williamunga]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JDMHaze]

I remember he called the Mercedes lug nuts retarded lol

[@klau88873]

My friend knew someone who worked in repairs for bmw. After working there he said he’s never buying any of those cars ever.

[@fabrivila2774]

The truth is that these types of cars are aimed at people who have a lot of money. They are designed with a lot of "plastic" BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER. Of course they are not going to sell you a cheap BMW, they want to make more money. They make it so complicated for you to turn to their authorized dealers, so that they charge you a lot of money. They use specialized tools, so you have no choice but to turn to these thieves. And when you wear a piece of plastic, it costs you more than gold itself. It's all about making a car "as cheap as possible" and selling it "as expensive as possible." They don't care about quality anymore. But if you like to throw away your money, go a head and buy a car like this.

[@azmike3572]

But on the other hand, give credit to those of us who DO like to throw away our money!

[@WayToManyAssassins]

Oh so the higher quality paint jobs, higher quality leather. Better interior materials. More expensive wheels are somehow trying to save money?

[@raphaelfrancis4509]

I understand the reasons why mechanics dislike them. As for myself, I just can't stand all the plastic crap for an expensive car. I like to work on German cars. Maybe because I like a challenge or spend a lot money to suffer.

[@ECPP]

Cheers. There really are challenges with some of the repairs.

[@murryclein6935]

Prior to reaching the age of reason, I was a 90's BlaMeW owner. Modern BMWs are overpriced, overweight, and made from cheap junk quality parts.. Japanese cars use plastic too, but their designers are smart enough to know which components can be made from thermoplastic and which components must be designed with more durable material.

[@lybr8r]

My experience owning out of warranty BMWs is that it is as expensive as owning a new one. Used car loan + maintenance costs > Leasing a new one

[@ECPP]

Great way to quantify that

[@Larry_Kabberga]

I totally disagree, not even close.

[@lilfish1308]

Lovin them Carlyle tools, thanks bro!

[@marcusthorpe7688]

You know it's more complex when changing a battery can be an issue. An regular consumer should be able to do that. What is next you can't change your tires without a mechanic...

[@ECPP]

I hear ya. That is a total money grab.

[@mattmartini836]

@@ECPP this is what gives me the shits.. DIY is almost gone in these Euro's, unless you're a mechanic.

[@WayToManyAssassins]

The battery programming is to extend the life of the battery. It's not really a bad thing.

[@nathangossett6425]

I personally own a 2008 E90 it’s been a great car all the way around. Never had any cooling issues , Valve cover leak, oil pan leak, I have owned since it was new I have 280,000 miles and still going strong .

[@emranhossain893]

Really?????

[@thatsdavidsong]

This man deserves more viewers and subscribers. Honest guy with great knowledge regarding vehicles. People just don't understand what goes into making a car and how much R&D goes into making one so you can't simply bash brands just because they aren't simple and easy to work on. It's just that BMW and other advanced luxury car brands are highly engineered made for giving an truly exceptional driving experience.

[@ECPP]

Absolutely correct David, these are amazing cars to drive and in a lot of ways it’s due to the engineering and packaging. Ie lighter materials, and even aggressive rear suspension camber which vastly improves handling but the trade off is accelerated tire wear. Also, thank you very much for your positive comment on the channel. Cheers

[@robhughes8516]

David Song exactly right! It’s the same with everything new and at first complex, it goes through the ridicule stage because people don’t understand it and that makes them feel stupid, then eventually with time and a deeper understanding of the tech it comes to an acceptance stage. It seems that a lot of people at some point in their lives lose the desire to learn new things and take on challenges and resort to brand shaming, name calling and general ridicule because of their own shortcomings.

[@mikealicious3848]

Many people make the mistake all the time when buying cars like these, and then MAINTAINING them. For example: Many people are not financially ready to own, or haven’t done enough research about owning a vehicle of this engineering level. Great video!

[@ECPP]

True

[@nihonkokusai]

@@ECPP A lot BMW dealer mechanics drive Toyotas and Japanese brands they know about the headache.

[@ronniefranks4351]

Sadly, I can’t even get a non-BMW mechanic to do basic suspension work on my 328i. Most mechanics have enough work to keep them busy and just don’t want to fuss with Bimmers.

[@ECPP]

Depends on where you live but I find that there are always a few Indy shops around.

[@WayToManyAssassins]

The mechanics where you live must be useless if they can't repair suspension or simple mechanical issues. Isn't that the whole point of being a "mechanic"

[@thomaschichester3020]

You sound like a BMW apologist. There are established patterns and practices for car maintenance, some have been around for years, some for decades. Designers violate those patterns and practices at their risk and at the manufacturer's risk. In the case of auto manufacturers, the risk is to resale value of their cars and the hit that puts on new car sales. Look at the resale of values of BMW, Mercedes, Bentley, Jaguar and compare them to resale values of Toyota and Lexus. Toyota engineered vehicles usually follow established engineering design patterns so the cars tend to not break and when they do, they're relatively easy and inexpensive to repair => very good resale value. Bottom line: Mechanics hate BMWs because they're difficult and expensive to repair. The fault isn't with the mechanics, its with the designers and engineers who arrogantly assume the world will bend to adjust to their whims.

[@MuhammadKhan-yl7mt]

I heard somewhere that BMs are complex than NASA spaceship 🚀. So you can’t blame poor mechanics. BMs are designed to be complex to milk 🥛 more out of their users.

[@ECPP]

A few of their cars are highly complex, the E60 M5 being one of them.

[@dljunior2852]

There will always be a difference of opinions about being experienced or unexperienced to work on these nightmares. I've had what some would call throwaway cars that were more reliable than these leaking things. The fact that people pay so much for these cars, have routine maintenance performed and still have to pay for multiple faults of these cars with less than 100K. I'll take my chances with a YUGO before getting another. Look fancy money pit.

[@WayToManyAssassins]

Bro doesn't know anything about german cars.

[@User107D]

the mechanics that I know love Bmw because they break so much 🤣🤣🤣

[@ECPP]

Lol, good call

[@zlord1199]

That joke is getting so old and dumb

[@phild5813]

Well when you have many and also advanced parts on a car, yeah you'll have more issues. I'm sure your honda civics 11 parts are all very reliable

[@MuhammadKhan-yl7mt]

Zion lords reality is bitter, mate

[@WayToManyAssassins]

Most bmws nowadays are just as reliable as any other car.

[@jeffmega1197]

Why would you pay a premium for a BMW and take it to a generic mechanic? Yes, dealers are expensive, but there are independent service shops that specialize in BMW work. In the Dallas area I am fortunate to have found Mporium BMW service, in McKinney, TX. Fantastic work, very fair pricing. I bought a 12 year old 135 and they have saved me a lot of money.

[@ECPP]

For sure if you can find a good specialist who has the know how and the equipment, that is the goldmine.

[@nickpappas4133]

I’m a recently retired tech of 47 years with Audi/VW and Porsche for sometime at a dealership level with factory training. Certainly have enough tools but not a lot of specialty diagnostic equipment. But still hated working on a BMW. Worked with a young tech from a BMW dealership and he said BMW was years ahead in technology but the Audi’s were so much easier to work on.

[@orcunkokcu744]

That's why: BMW = Brings Me Women 👄🐣

[@ashishpatel350]

I still don't get how BMW made rod bearings a normal wear item 🤣. Bmws can be awesome but alot of the little issues cost a fortune. And the big issues also cost a furtune.

[@ECPP]

True, the rod bearing fiasco is not good but much of the other problems are less significant. Cheers

[@zlord1199]

It was a design flaw that they fixed

[@MrChayanne93]

What year did they fix the rod bearing ?at what milage does it happen ? E90 or f30 i heard the new f30s fixed all the issuies 2014 and up i heard ....is that true ?

[@SirChad771]

Thanks Mark for enlightening the BMW owners who actually know what/why complex is complex!! We appreciate your hard work and enthusiasm!! -Chad, proud 1999 E46 owner🇩🇪

[@ECPP]

Thanks a lot Chad for your great comment. You are right, once a person has seen the ligjt it’s hard to go back to something less inspiring.

[@SirChad771]

Anytime man! AGREED!!

[@mariosandoval2779]

I've had Japanese cars that have failed and hard to work on. I've had American cars fun to work on and much easier than Honda's. My first bmw was a e46, I was scared because I'm no mechanic. My concern was who would fix my bmw e46. Well I was burned by 2 mechanics. So I decided to learn to work on my car myself. Sometimes you have to take more harnesses or parts off to access what you are working on , but alot of it is Simple and ingenious clips. And when unplugging electrical harness you can't cross them and plug into the wrong connection as they only reach where they can plug into.. I am no mechanic.. And I've saved alot on my own.. Most replacement parts are the same in price as Japanese imports, sometimes cheaper. That being said, every company has its own issues. I may be ignorant to bmw, but learn more about mine, and they are fun to drive.. Ive recently inherited a second e46 coupe a 2000 and did all my preventative maintenance.water pump/thermostat/Hoses /oil housing gasket/spark plugs. I feel better about my work and trust my work.. I appreciate any and all help from helpful people like you or the 50's kid. And many others. I've been looking at x5 and been enjoying your videos Thanks.

[@ECPP]

Thank you very much for watching g and great comment. Have an amazing day.

[@verilyhumane6056]

Seems like bmw cares less for their second hand car owners, they target the wealthy one's who can afford to buy the brand new beamers and enjoy the first five years and then these cars start falling .

[@ECPP]

Somewhat true but they very much care about the used car owners too but for different reasons. Dealers now survive largely on the service department profits since new cars sales have smaller margins.

[@pierrecurie5188]

I disgaree. Most of BMW's engineers and employees aren't driven by the company to make shitty designs intentionally because of greed. Quite the contrary, in fact. Because they create complicated solutions to simple issues (over-engineering), they require a lot of specialized tools and computer-related know-how in order to make things run smoothly. A BMW that's maintained properly (even newer ones from the early 2000s that people call garbage) by a well-trained BMW mechanic, or even by an owner that's willing to do the gritty research, will last as long as any good car. Problems tend to add up when jobs are done half-assed or when issues are ignored for too long. Despite the brittle plastic nature of components being true, there are so many (in the west, at least) trustworthy aftermarket part manufacturers that make sourcing the parts for BMWs hassle free and make parts that are a lot more reliable in the long run. The main issue of BMWs stems from BMWs that are treated like Toyotas. BMWs will only become expensive to maintain when their owners don't know how to and are not willing to learn how to fix things most things themselves and end up paying too much for expensive out of warranty repairs from BMW specialized shops. Each trip adds up to significant amounts if you're not careful. This is like forcing Michael Jordan to play baseball and getting angry at the fact that he's not as good at baseball as he is at basketball. For the car geeks out there, treating a BMW like shit and calling it unreliable is like buying an RX7/RX8 without knowing anything about the oil-metering pump and blaming the Wankel for being unreliable when Apex Seals get obliterated. As an owner of 2 E60s that I've learned to maintain, repair, and program things myself for the last 3 years, I can understand the slight difficulty of maintaining the cars, but the measuring the car's value solely on that does not give it justice whatsoever. KZbinrs like ExoticCar PlayPlace and BMW Doctor make excellent points about this and I hope more future BMW owners would come to understand this because they are great cars and I hate seeing them get the wrong attention for things that aren't their fault.

[@andrewkim237]

Pierre Curie I have had the N63TU for 5 years. I have no problems because I pay close and detailed attention to oil, heat, and type of fuel. I also change my oil every 5k instead 12k. I always run premium gas. The key is to pay attention to any abnormal behavior of an engine that is producing 109 hp per liter. To top that this engine is extremely quite, smooth and powerful all at the same time. Yes it runs hot and does burn oil. But that is why you must step up the oil change process. If you can buy a car for 27500 that was 97000+ brand new you have to expect to spend 5k on a extended warranty. Hell I had a 2018 Escalade that stayed in the shop over electrical issues for nearly two months. In my opinion BMW is worth it. They are engineered for performance and excitement. So with that being said you must invest a little attention and a little money for pure performance and perfection.

[@pierrecurie5188]

@@andrewkim237 Absolutely! They're great when you take good care of them.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I think this is very true. I have a 16 year old 760 and a 24 year old 740 which have both held up well.

[@thomashelm6931]

Respectfully, I call in the question on your comment. No, the BMWs are designed, specifically, to harass mechanics and make it difficult for the average lay person to work on. Thus, making the systems more proprietary. Although I have no qualification to make that statement, I cannot think of any other sane reason for making it as they do. 😂😜

[@ECPP]

Thanks and good point Thomas. There is no doubt that much of the design is inherently made to motivate the owner to bring it to the dealer. Fortunately the consumer is smart and now with plenty of sharing on forums, videos, and even 3rd party Apps make it much more accessible to the owner to navigate moderate repairs themselves. I see most brands are trying to hold the market with proprietary equipment and tools and I see it with my new Jag as well and I heard that this is consistent with the JLR group and much of modern Euro cars

[@alfano3278]

I've been dreaming of an BMW convertible for such a long time and see myself getting behind the wheel and hitting the wide roads , but , the fear of this beauty breaking down in the middle of no where is so strong , that it forces me to forget about it , bad idea ! .

[@ECPP]

Frat not my friend, remember, life’s too short to drive boring cars.

[@penvon]

I’ll stop to give you a lift to the nearest service station with my Lexus...Or I could be a prick & pass you by shouting “Life’s too short to drive boring cars” 😃

[@hightimes5309]

😂 Shots fired basic generic mechanics 😂 Scotty to hotty kilmer.

[@ECPP]

That’s gonna hurt.

[@JTB128650]

😭🤣

[@coolchil1]

Yup this is definitely aimed towards a You Tube mechanic who loves Toyota's, I won't says any names though.......Scotty cough moving on

[@marcobarozzini9515]

Hey Mark, I am Italian been leaving in California for almost 3 years. I sold cars since 1984 and quit before coming here. I sold German cars most of my time. There are too many electronics control units. I guess and feel this happens more in the US because trust me all of the newest cars have to be fixed at official car dealers and it is exactly what manufacturers want.

[@MrGodzukie80]

A friend of mine works at a BMW dealership and he told me to never own a BMW out of warranty

[@ECPP]

Ouch. I have heard many say that but it all depends if you can do a little work yourself or you have a good independent shop available

[@donovanh5679]

Great insight on Bimmer idiosyncrasy. FWIK, Audi is not that far off. At one time, I bought an expensive Bosch battery and replaced the old one in my Bimmer without coding. That Bosch didn't last more than a year. Later on, I would just buy a generic battery from the local stores and spend the money to have it properly coded. Since then, the replacement battery never has any problem.

[@roydodge4340]

I'm no mechanic, but I do work in a tire shop at a major retail store. From a tire and battery perspective, BMW's totally suck! Almost always need run flat tires, sizing is always goofy and uncommon, usually require a high speed rating, and sometimes they even are different sizes front and back. With all the shortages on tires going on it can be very hard and sometimes impossible to get someone tires for a BMW. From a battery perspective they are equally as bad. With all the different technological features they come with they need an AGM battery and selecting the right one can be very hard unless the customer comes very prepared with information about their vehicle. I will continue to roll my eyes every time a customer tells me they are looking for tires for their BMW.

[@nihonkokusai]

It costs just too much time. I work on these, I have loads of workshop manuals for BMW its just ripping the customers off due to design madness. unless your weekend is free every weekend. Heck even MB is easier to work on it. Even with experience still they don't care on servicing accessibility. Heck think about the glow plugs and air filter on a M47, its just hell compared to a Lexus to be service friendly. Unless you know these cars really good you need to be an experienced person to work on, heck even the dealers fail to diagnose the correct problem.

[@ECPP]

They have their challenges

[@nihonkokusai]

@@ECPP not service friendly, customers dont know what they bought in the first place, getting frustrated for nothing at mechanics because they want status.

[@is4life862]

Good video! If I can't change the spark plugs on the engine. I don't want it 🤣

[@ECPP]

Cheers

[@deanw1958]

You are correct ..the shade tree mechanics have a hard time with new tech. My 2003 745li has 110k and after some early on repairs it runs great ..I do not race it ! Racing cars is what creates the problems. One you tube mechanic with 50 years always bad mouthsthech and especially BMW. My car in 2003 had many new high tech stuff ..like a new fighter jet it need time for tech to get improved or altered real world conditions

[@amazoidal]

The Car Wizard won't work on BMWs.

[@mulgamark1620]

Hi Mark, I have learnt after a few years of BMW ownership that you just start at the top and remove everything that is in front of you till you get to what part that needs fixing . Starter motors are particularly enjoyable but in Australia we have right hand drive so we dont have to deal with the brake booster being in the way :)

[@looking511]

Never keep it beyond the warranty

[@ECPP]

Then it would not matter

[@joebloggs4191]

All my BMWs bar one has been bought without a warranty!

[@cmontes7961]

@@joebloggs4191 Either you know how to work on cars or your nuts!

[@joebloggs4191]

@@cmontes7961 I can do simple service work but not that I do, but absolutely true I have had various BMWs since 1995 most of which have been without warranty but I am picky about what drivetrain I choose and all my cars have been immaculate low miles examples when purchased. Buy right and you will have no problems buy wrong and pay through the nose! My current BMW bought in 2019 is a 10 year old E89 Z4 with the 3.0 N52 engine, had it now almost 2 years and 10,000 miles later I have not spent a penny on it other than regular service work and new tyres. In over 25 years of owning BMWs the most expense I have had is a top end rebuild on an E30 325i (covered under warranty), water pump on a 5 series E34 and power steering pump on an E46. For 26 years that ain't bad!

[@passthetunaporfavor]

Class action lawsuits for defective V8's. Resale values that plummet. ECU's that fail. ABS Modules that fail. Tell me more how wonderful these cars are ?

[@goeffdouge8456]

Fun over reliability there not even crazy bad people just don’t no cars

[@MMMAKER35]

In my experience, once you truly understand how BMWs work, fixing them can become much simpler than you initially think. Of course in many cases you need special equipment, but its a small price to pay for getting accurate diagnostics and a proper fix. I find fixing BMWs far more rewarding of a task than pretty much any other vehicle out there.

[@mirrorimagedetailing8339]

BMW uses recycled plastics under the hood in the engine, thats why over time they have issues with plastics cracking or becoming brittle and then break. It's pretty sad that they don't use non recycled like other car manufactures.

[@ECPP]

There was a push for awhile for that part of the world to consider recycling as a significant part of protecting the globe and therefore this was done to support .

[@nihonkokusai]

All Japanese cars use recycled plastics on their body and interior parts but, not on the engine parts.

[@brianandrews7099]

My understanding is that German laws require automakers to use recycled plastics which don’t hold up well to heat cycling. Does BMW use the cheapest recycled plastic available to make these parts? Probably.

[@Areku06]

Totally agree, bmw is is not easy car to work on. I do my own work, i broke things when rushing a job, after reading manuals and getting right tools, it was not bad at all.

[@ECPP]

True, there are some repairs that are t bad but they are challenging regardless and fragile plastics can take a hit if playing rough.

[@rmasdoll263]

Quite an informative video, however the fact that you openly admit that BMW maintenance involves additional knowledge and procedures as well as specialized tools and diagnostic equipment that requires specific training, all influence repair costs negatively! You have in a way presented an argument that supports the general mechanic's opinion more than it criticizes it.The speculative gains in efficiency that result from a more complex engine design are negated by a reduction in reliability and the increased labor costs incurred even when trying to service common items. Once you factor in the expense of original BMW replacement parts along with the increased use of plastic components in the design, it all translates into the newer BMW models being a black-hole for your money!!!

[@RAINBOW-ed6hg]

Mark, this is the best video I've seen on this subject. I enjoy all of your videos and am a subscriber. I hope you have a great Canada Day!

[@ECPP]

Thanks, you too! I really appreciate your support and you also have an awesome one too. Cheers.

[@geoffk777]

Bottom line - these cars are not designed to be easy to service. You need factory trained mechanics, special diagnostics, special tools and factory parts (often of flimsy plastics--but still hideously expensive to buy). Is that an accident? Of course not. BMW wants to make it so that only a BMW dealer (or a BMW specialist garage) can work on them. Dealers make a lot of their money through service and repairs (especially for BMWs!), and BMW is doing their best to make sure that you are locked into using them. Your regular experienced mechanic just won't have the tools, diagnostics and parts to do the job. And the dealer service will be fantastically expensive, especially since the labor involved and parts cost is usually substantial. In fairness to BMW, Mercedes and Audi are almost as bad. Bottom line--don't get locked into BMWs dealer service scam. Get a car that doesn't require a million dollar investment in special training, tools diagnostics and parts in order to repair and maintain.

[@ECPP]

Totally correct

[@petercreagh8797]

I wonder how economic it would be to buy a scan tool so you could do a lot of service yourself assuming you are mechanically minded in the first place. I know with my motorbikes I prefer to spend what I would on labour on tools instead.

[@geoffk777]

@@petercreagh8797 But a scan tool is just the start. You need special tools, special procedures that the factory has to train you in, and you need expensive BMW parts. Even experienced mechanics have trouble working on BMWs, so I wouldn't recommend it for an amateur owner.

[@petercreagh8797]

@@geoffk777 Thats where the internet comes in handy as to what jobs are doable and what aren't. BMW don't fully understand their cars themselves as I had a dispute with a dealer and distributer over them supplying an incorrect diameter space saver tire. They believed the space saver tire was "Correct" but multiple sites on the internet said use of an incorrect diameter space saver would do substantial damage.

[@geoffk777]

@@petercreagh8797 That's certainly true up to a point. The more you know, the less likely that the dealer will rip you off. But, if you're choosing a car to maintain yourself, than a BMW is not a good choice. There are plenty of cars which are easy and cheap to work on. BMW isn't one of them. Deliberately.

[@inverseuniverse5727]

Yeah , @4:20 . Tightening those old clamps , or the newer constant tension clamps , Is SO Difficult..

[@ECPP]

constantly dissolving hoses, radiators, and water pumps

[@29kalel]

That excuse in the beginning is so lame. Mechanics hate BMW because they are poorly built and are nothing but plastic

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@brandoncook8300]

Built poorly? Your kidding right? You must of bought a lemon BMW

[@shootinblanks007]

I don’t think mechanics hate bmw... I think they hate bmw owners who whine about cost to maintain

[@ECPP]

Lol

[@ssdivizion]

Maybe mechanics should charge them less and not rob them at every visit!

[@shootinblanks007]

@@ssdivizion just remember, ya get what u pay for

[@Wipsplash]

I've been working on BMWs since 2001 and I can say without a doubt they are a pain in the butt. The plastic is brittle on all the parts and the electronics are a pain because everything requires coding. The only reason I am efficient on BMWs is due to steadily working on them for silly reasons such as brittle timing chain guides or oil pump nuts vibrating loose or rod bearings going bad on select models. Cooling systems are a joke on many of them. How many headliners have you seen that fell down? I really want to like them but they are seriously junk. Today my wife's rear view mirror fell off without warning and radio failed. Sure if you buy a brand new one and keep it for just 3 years then perhaps that person will like them.

[@bbkmm1]

BMW's, along with their Euro counterparts, bought mechanics mansions and yachts. Special knowledge can be obtained from Identifix. Special tools have workarounds and applies to all manufacturers. Toyota service manuals have SST (Special Service Tool) all over the place. And thanks to Chinese software like Autel, you can access all the special functions, even remove speed limiters.

[@ECPP]

Agreed

[@robhughes8516]

Traveler X exactly! No matter how complex something is (or seems) the information and knowledge to understand and repair it is out there for any and all to be had should they desire it. And complexity is relative, usually what we don’t understand seems very complex at first but as your understanding increases the seeming complexity decreases. You are 100% right about special tools having their workarounds, simply look at almost any repair procedure on KZbin and we’ll see multiple workarounds for any supposed specialty tool. Will the specialty tools make the job easier? Absolutely! Are they necessary to do a repair though? No! The problem with people today is they like everything to be easy and require as little thought as possible, anything less makes them feel stupid and incapable and they then in turn attack the brand because they don’t understand it.

[@Scotford_Maconochie]

True. I needed a wheel alignment with my new tires on the X5 but it was not possible because the mechanic didn't the special tools to undo the tie rods.

[@Santi_fernandez-_-]

Yes, my son s ride on jeep is plastic plastic plastic all over too...to me almost all cars are good, lack of maintenance and bad drivers is the problem.

[@ECPP]

That is definitely an industry trend

[@evansndadzungira385]

Your consistent bash on BMW excites me

[@dranrebcookie1923]

My Polish mechanics love BMW they all drive bimmer and they are good fixing it. They will tell you though that the plastics will break one after the other.,which of course happen to my X3 .but the my Romanian neighbour a tractor mechanic can fix bimmer easily.

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@benkubenku1]

Complete headache. If these cars are over engineered why don't they last past 200,000km?

[@ECPP]

Good question

[@akshatghosh3504]

Most German cars are over engineered meaning more things can go wrong. But it you regularly service them nothing’s going to go wrong. Their transmissions and engines are quite robust. My e39 5 series is at 356,000 km and my VW Passat r36 is at 256,000 km you just need to service them. It’s really that simple.

[@iFlexxin]

My x5 has 250km and still running strong. It's the best vehicle I've ever owned

[@nihonkokusai]

@@iFlexxin my Mothers 118d with the M47 engine is over 335,000km drives like new. I do check up a lot. Not much servicing unless fluids and filters. These old M47 engines are good things from the past that BMW make.

[@mike216ism]

I'm a lexus guy but I will give BMW credit for taking risks and leading the industry. There really good looking and amazing handling machines. I just prefer reliability over fancy doodads

[@MrElipso]

Hi. I´m writing from Brazil (the countryside). I agree with your words. I have a diesel 4x4 Toyota Hilux 2018/2019 - a truck for our (lunar craters) highways. Luxury cars - all them - have big problems with their suspensions here (to say a minimum). If they are money pits in US, imagine here...

[@EdwinGamboa]

Got a BMW Series 1 in 2017. Never raced it, never pushed it too hard, last month the turbo broke, what the hell? Not even three years down the road and the turbo goes out. Luckily I was able to make it to the dealership before the warranty expired. Yeah maybe your old mechanic hates BMWs, and I can see why Scotty always mentions how they are endless money pits, servicing these cars will make a hole in your wallet. You REALLY have to love it to pay servicing it. Maybe a ten year old BMW isn't as hard to service as more recent ones, who knows, but hell I'm never buying one again, now no one will buy it from me at a reasonable price

[@ECPP]

Sorry to hear that. That sucks for sure. With that said I know of many turbos on various cars that go out because of 2 main reasons. Insufficient p services and not cooling the engi e a minute after a hard run or just coming of a freeway and pulling g into a service station or work or home and turning it off. This can coke a turbo and accelerate wear.

[@Cooldad87]

I am a Volvo guy but if I remember correctly BMW is more reliable than Mercedes...Volvo in my opinion comes first in reliability and Safety

[@kenlindsay8907]

I've owned a number of BMW's, (10) mostly older ones going back to an 1984 3 series, my last one was an '05 E46 M3. Most of them were great cars, not too bad to work on, and decent reliability. Then I bought a one year old 2013 CPO 328i X-Drive for my wife. She loves, but I have been very disappointed to say the least. The steering is numb, handling so so, and there are things that are virtually impossible to maintain. The rear diff and transfer case have no drain plug to change fluid, which like the coolant BMW claims are "lifetime" fluids! What a joke, lifetime only means when it breaks, which will happen earlier because of no maintenance. It is possible to use a suction pump to change the rear diff fluid, but the transfer case is impossible because the case is too tight fitting to the gears. BMW says that you have to pull the case from the car, turn it upside down to get the old fluid out, reinstall and pump new fluid into the fill plug. What kind of morons thought this made sense. The local BMW dealer quoted me $630.00 just to change transfer case fluid. I over-maintaine all my cars, and change the fluids much sooner than recommended, so this really has me upset. Last BMW we will ever have!! I now drive an Audi S-5 and a F150. Soon we're going to get rid of her BMW before it breaks and hopefully I can talk her into a Honda or Toyata/Lexas.

[@bernardwong7968]

you've forgot to mention; plastic valve cover and cheap gasket BMW use which costed oil leaks problems. premature fuel injectors failures..

[@ECPP]

Absolutely

[@diamondd2778]

What r u on about????/ Mechanics luv em!!!! My mechanic has 2 holiday houses because of bmw! Built poorly, keep em coming , plastic always fail , built to a price not a standard

[@chrismiller9032]

The Norwegian blue is beautiful. Look at the plumage!

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@mattmartini836]

BMW, Benz and Audi's are going to break down way more often than any Asian or American brand, because the their cars are so much more complex. there's more that can go wrong. simple really. and with a strong emphasis on electrics in euro's, its a recipe for frequent failures of electrics.

[@ECPP]

Possibly

[@benh5908]

Love your content, brother! Perfectly articulated dagger for Scotty! Be well.

[@ECPP]

Many thanks to you for your positive comments. Have an awesome day.

[@hightimes5309]

Bmw is to complex of a car for the basic generic mechanic.

[@ECPP]

There is a lot that needs a different approach.

[@randonnaidoo2592]

Most bmw technicians are part fitters

[@ECPP]

That’s the way it’s becoming

[@kugel018]

You think an X1 28i with 52k miles for $11k is a good deal? Never bought a BMW before and I’m afraid I’ll run into costly maintenance in the future

[@mycarsnotjunk2724]

I think the reason general mechanics don't like BMW is because by the time it gets to them the value has dropped to where it doesn't make sense to have the know how and tools because know one is willing to pay for that expertise. BMW's are only worth paying for expert repair service in the first 5-8 years depending on the model

[@lelandpodoll9628]

BMW are not made less reliable on purpose, they are just lazy and don’t do enough testing of new designs and quality control. When Toyota worked with BMW for the new Supra the BMW engineers were amazed how sticklers Toyota was in getting it right and made them re-engineer many parts for durability and quality. I would imagine the new Z4 will be a much better car for this.

[@BREDSCorolla]

Youre like the yournger version of scotty kilmer! Good job

[@ECPP]

Thanks.....

[@drewv5119]

Awesome vid, Mark! Have you had the chance to drive the new X5M?

[@ECPP]

Hi Drew. Thanks for watching and yes, I had a short drive in the latest X5M and it is ridiculous on its level of performance. Jury is still out on the front end but the tech and design of it are top shelf.

[@blueraptor684]

Yeah but for the price of BMWs they should last 3/400K miles but barely make it to 100K without something that cost a small fortune to fix, breaking!

[@gregpst77]

I just subscribed. Sorry it took so long, I've been clicking on your videos for awhile now...

[@ECPP]

Thanks a lot Greg. Welcome aboard

[@baddestburrito]

"It's not a bug, it's a FEATURE!!"

[@ECPP]

Lol, true and try some of the Italian cars. With a Lamborghini it is a character trait.

[@baddestburrito]

@@ECPP The only Lamborghini I want to get into, is the...Elettra. Hahahaha! (And even then, I just want to take a ride around the block. Seems too high-maintenance to get into that long-term.)

[@epi2045]

Had a fairly modern late 2000’s 5 series with the inline 6 turbo engine. I don’t know how many ways the engine could go wrong... but it went wrong so many times. Horrific vehicles. Made my Benz’s seem like Camry’s.

[@danmahoney2854]

BMW over engineered= low quality and horrendous resale value.🤘🏻💀🤘🏻

[@timlad123456]

My experience has been good working on the bmw n54 motor. If you can't wrap your brain around the problem you should put the wrench down and call the dealer. It takes a good mental attitude to work on a modern bmw and some IQ. They really are easy to work on I don't understand all the negativity from the mechanics side. All the brands have some major flaw to ensure there is service work to be done at the local dealership. If you have worked on a modern chevy you will understand where i'm coming from.

[@ECPP]

I have found a bunch of success on working on my 335

[@raphaeloffodile3906]

Your best commentary about BMW. You need experience and specialized tools to work on it.

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@nihonkokusai]

@@ECPP not much tools needed actually but, a good autel is really needed and ista to code the parts in.

[@lonnie0721]

I know a mechanic from Texas with a KZbin channel who calls it cheap plastic.

[@ECPP]

True, but almost all cars use a large amount now, not just BMW

[@mamtabanerjee2853]

Very impressive, you nailed it!

[@ECPP]

Thanks a lot for watching

[@georgepriv7674]

Thanks for making this. With proper maintenance I have always found them reliable. It's a bit like how non apple certified places crap on apple devices.

[@ECPP]

Great point! 100% agree.

[@UpRoaryus]

@@ECPP Too bad the proper maintenance on it will cost about 4x as much as it would a Lexus in the same amount of time owning them. Personally I crap on anything that does the same thing something else can do at five times the cost and the headache of having to depend on someone else to fix it. I would never spend that much money on a car that demanded I keep spending more on it to keep it running well. I will tell you this much: when I bought a car, I bought a Honda because I had never seen one on the side of the road with the hood up and bellowing smoke out of the engine while the ownere gaped at it. They may be out there with the muffler held on with duct tape or three different colors of primer on various quarter panels, but they RUN. And they run FOREVER despite the abuse they receive. THAT I would pay a premium for and it's a lot less costly than the premium status BMW that is currently sitting in my yard that won't start.

[@JohnTaylor-bd1uy]

3 series are easy to work on.

[@grahammcguinness9416]

Most mechanics are trusted to find a solution, but some Mechanics are the problem. That's why people by new cars and some may ask, do you know a good mechanic? because I sure as hell don"t. My son Had a carben fibre one peace tail shaft installed a couple years ago but putting his e46 M3 on a friends hoist found the standard oem remained no (expensive) tail shaft any where in sight Another mechanic charged and was paid 10K to rebuilt heads that had clearly never been removed from the 454 chev powered boat (Same son owns the boat) Lol trying to be a bit independant. I have a few of these stories of my own as well. Honest and detail oriented mechanics seem hard to find.

[@elpaulodelnorte]

"Talk to the Hand". Interesting topics nonetheless. Cheers.

[@ECPP]

lol, cheers.

[@teedot1186]

Audi owners laugh at this. Lol. We are the most hated. I've had mechanics hangup the phone one me..

[@leonfast2878]

Hey how are you my friend nice videos to teach about bmw , question are you recommend to buy a 1997 m3 four doors automatic with 220,000 miles??

[@ECPP]

Nice car but be sure the servicing is very comprehensive.

[@leonfast2878]

Ok got it, I w make sure with all maintenance r done ✅, is a nice car no rust but like you said be careful before buy it 👍

[@rotorblade9508]

plastic engine cover?! pathetic, also plastic jumpstart terminal covers?! Really? Plastic air intakes?! No other respectable car manufacturers uses plastic for these. They use carbon fiber and other good materials

[@ECPP]

Haha. Nice

[@donovanh5679]

Great insights into why your run-of-the-mill mechanics hate Bimmers! Having owned several Bimmers in the past and still have 2 today, I would offer different advice to my friends who aspire to own a Bimmer for the first time. Generally speaking, there are 2 types of people who would like to own a Bimmer (1) those who care more about the brand prestige and (2) those who are true enthusiasts. For the first type, I would advise them to find the most attractive leasing deal and not be concerned about the after-warranty service & repair headache. For the 2nd type, since they'll spend all the time and disposable income in their Bimmers, I would recommend them finding out which year model has promising longevity and maybe even future collectability. Obviously, this will require them to be either handy or know some independent BMW specialists to work on their Bimmers. Sadly to say, now days very few Bimmers are worthwhile to own for the long run.

[@ECPP]

Great thoughts and thanks for mentioning for the viewers. I find typically the only collectable are the M cars only no SUVs and some of the older naturally aspirated cars mainly with the legendary drivetrains and usually matched to a manual gearbox.

[@donovanh5679]

@@ECPP You are absolutely correct. My picks of recent M cars worth collecting are manual 1M or M2 Comp. You can see that BMW is really good at making small nimble driver-focused M cars that harken back to their root.

[@racekar80]

Let’s not include all German cars, I own a few MB’s and 4 Porsche’s. Love working on them, excellent design and quite reliable at least for me. Yes there parts are pricey, but that’s the cost of owning a fine driving machine.

[@ECPP]

Couldn't agree more!

[@inverseuniverse5727]

I am just as happy driving my civic, rx350 , tahoe

[@muhammadarmaghanullah303]

Lexus is best.. BMW is Big Money Waste.. Unreliable car..i haven’t seen any BMW performing fully after 200k. While toyota goes upto 300k easily. Even Mercedes is far better than BMW

[@ECPP]

But how is a Toyota to drive other tha.n a simple A-B? How many Camrys do you see at a toad course?

[@kentpayen8848]

Great video 👌...question would it be possible on a 03 x5 to cut the front driveshaft ( front dif took a crap, vehicle won't move) so I can move it into the garage

[@brandoncook8300]

I hate the typical non euro mechanics that hate BMW because of their lack of knowledge of German engineering and bash the cars because of it. Don’t ever take your car to these places. Only take your BMW to either a certified BMW dealership or a mechanic who specializes in german cars. Everything on this list is 100 💯 accurate

[@ECPP]

Totally right.

[@joshriver75]

I've found over the years, particularly the e46 and e9x some of the easiest cars I've ever worked on. The online DIYer community is stronger with bmw than any other car made imho. I've realised that the cars are largely engineered to accomplish tasks with as much ease as possible.

[@ECPP]

There are some common themes so once a person is used to them then it’s not so bad.

[@joshriver75]

@@ECPP good point

[@dhhbtd]

BMW’s are expensive to buy and own, but don’t look expensive.

[@ECPP]

Cheers

[@Godfather300C]

Having to crawl under the car to put a dead car in neutral isn’t a step forward in advancement. That’s 5 steps back. The engineers are missing brain cells.

[@ECPP]

Agreed

[@dam6775]

BMW is like computer developments in it's early stage.

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@MuhammadKhan-yl7mt]

Love it.

[@MaximusOpus]

I am Lexus and infiniti Guy !!! Japanese all the WAY Yeaaa. They dont brake down so often. When they do fix are simple and inexpensive and I can do it myself with regural tool. And I do have fun driving them haha. Sorry but NO to BMW ;-)

[@robhughes8516]

Max Max well seeing your grammar structure and spelling (break, not brake) it’s pretty easy to see why you like Japanese vehicles, your intelligence level (and probably income)won’t allow you behind the wheel of a BMW without your head imploding. A fail safe designed by nature for the protection and safety for the rest of us.

[@ECPP]

Thanks for dropping a line.

[@MaximusOpus]

@@robhughes8516 You sounded very racists now. Gotta be American right. I am not suprised people protest there. I do not check my grammar because I am EUROPEAN and English is my second language so I dont care !!! Regarding my education and intelligence I am Physiotherapist and I finished Medical University back home and last year I made 103 000 bucks. Its just for your information. I would assume that I am probably more educated than you little guy ;-) I simply dont like throwing money in the mud thats all !

[@MaximusOpus]

@@ECPP Your Channel is great ! Keep doing awesome work ! just I wish there was less haters here :-(

[@gregpst77]

@@robhughes8516 What a jerk of a comment, assuming income & nitpicking spelling. Lexus is the best built/reliable luxury brand out there. Once most BMW's hit 50,000 plus miles there are thousands of dollars in repairs. Some are due to cheap plastic crap and others just poor build quality. For those rich enough to buy a new one whenever who cares I guess, but still headaches...

[@henrysandoval3927]

Is a good explication of what I been hearing all this years, I never had a bmw before, I like then and I want to buy it, so I started to hear about how reliable are this cars, and I got really scared, so now that I heard your comment, I see why, but now I even more convince, not to buy, and not because is not a good car, is just because if something brake I won't be able to find a mechanic that really know about it because some of them just lie, and fixing is going to be very expensive, after all the parts they need to move, so I think bmw, should pay attention in this part too, and engineering their cars more accessible to mechanics, and also with plastics is ok, as long as they don't put plastic close to a hot environment because with time (of course after guaranty) they will brake, if they keep on doing this eventually bmw will disappeare

[@diamondd2778]

Go n watch Doug demuras review of the bmw e60 m5, its scaaaaary how unreliable it was n even scarier how much it costs to repair

[@ECPP]

They are pricey cars to own, but the drive is very memorable and makes it one of the best.

[@raymondarias2034]

Are 98 bmw 528i good car and are they easy to work on yourself