Ed Winters Explaining Every Argument Against Veganism

This week I sit down with Earthling Ed to get the low-down on all things plant-based and we break down different arguments against Veganism. Ed has given speeches across the world, has been featured on the BBC, ITV, Tedx and LadBible.
We discuss the influence our cognitive biases & cultural habits have on our lifestyle choices, how we can change our views towards animals and his new book This is Vegan Propaganda (And Other Lies the Meat Industry Tells You).
0:00 Introduction to Veganism
1:01 Children's Natural Empathy for Animals
1:51 Welcome to A Millennial Mind Podcast
2:15 Guest Introduction: Ed's Background and Work
3:00 Shivani's Transition to Vegetarianism and Veganism
14:27 Veganism and Budget
15:15 Protein Concerns
20:10 Identity and Meat Consumption
19:02 Raising Children as Vegetarian
27:42 Health Benefits of Veganism
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[@rainedyani8505]

Love Ed. I’ve been an ethical vegan and activist (and whole food plant based eater) for over 33 years. It’s the most important facet of my life - not contributing to violence and the suffering and death of others, and actively working to stop it. ☮️🌱

[@Everydayonce1]

I consume 5100 calories a day on a whole foods plant based diet (I’m a long distance runner) I get more than enough protein. I have regular blood work done and my health has been optimal for the last 3 years and I feel amazing!

[@LukePetruzzi]

Beast!!

[@lauratanln]

Congrats on your good results!

[@Everydayonce1]

@@lauratanln thank you!

[@silly_blind]

what does your daily meal plan look like?

[@Everydayonce1]

@@silly_blind 7am breakfast is granola, yogurt, raisins, almond butter and blueberries, and two bananas. 10am is a smoothy, oats, chia seeds, flax seeds, pumpkin seeds, spinach, kale, dates, almond milk and soy milk. 1.30pm is flapjack, oats, walnut halves, sultanas, almond butter and soy milk. 5pm is either a chilli, spag bowl, whole foods mac and cheese, or a tempe sour dish, obviously full of veg, legumes, and greens. I also take a B12 supplement, and an Omega3 supplement and D supplement in winter.

[@nonwibb]

Just bought his book. I went plant-based because it was cheap, but I went vegan thanks to what I learned from Ed. Dope video.

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

wow! that's amazing to hear, thank you so much for watching

[@smashmusique]

Is owning a pet moral? Imagine you own a human slave and you treat him good all of his life. You don't kill him. Would that be immoral? is it the same with animals? You could say it's protecting the animals from the meat industry. Owning the slave could be protecting him from danger/torture in the city from slavery times. or let's say the world is vegan, it's illegal to kill/harm animals. Then, would it be moral to have a pet ?

[@nonwibb]

@@smashmusique I tend to think of them more as companions than pets. Animal sanctuaries exist, and they are usually rescued animals from farms. Slavery is a form of exploitation. We are just taking care of the animals, although some forms of pet ownership are definitely a bad thing. As a vegan, I'm completely against breeding and prefer to rescue animals from unfortunate situations, not create life just to own.

[@smashmusique]

@@nonwibb so you think it's good to have pets? but can you answer my hypothetical situation? If you keep a human slave as a companion, is it moral?

[@nonwibb]

@@smashmusique Well I told you slavery is exploitation. You can't 'treat a slave good'. Just like animals, we should have the right to be left alone. We try to give rescued animals the space and resources they need to be happy. Again, we prefer companions, implying both parties want to be there. The reduction of suffering is always the main goal. You'll have to explain where exactly you are going with this question.

[@mcanqb]

Ed, your hard work does not go unnoticed. Thank you for all you do

[@MindVersusMisery]

If I could go vegan, anybody could. I grew up in a household where we used to eat bloody steaks, chicken, milk, pork, yoghurt and cheese. I ate animal products with every meal, and didn't even consider the alternative. When I was about 30 I started to question my relationship to non-human animals. And even though the road from full blown omnivore to vegan wasn't straight, it didn't take that much to come to the conclusion that what we do to animals is a horrible atrocity and needs to be stopped. Now it's been 7 years since I became vegan. It was the Gary Yourofskys speech here on youtube called "The Best Speech You Will Ever Hear" that settled it for me. And I have also been engaged in animal rights activism and lectured for around a 1000 students in total. If I can, so can you!

[@uweschroeder]

Sure, just leave that decision to the other person.

[@MindVersusMisery]

@@uweschroeder Why?

[@uweschroeder]

@@MindVersusMisery Why not?

[@MindVersusMisery]

@@uweschroeder Because there is a victim involved. I don't care what music people listen to, or what colors they choose for their bedroom walls. But when someones choice is so clearly causing suffering and pain, then it's the moral thing to object to it.

[@uweschroeder]

@@MindVersusMisery You're riding a moral/ethical high ground that simply doesn't exist in reality. Veganism is neither a diet not a lifestyle. It's an ideology - therefor the missionary nature of it. Look at a recent Peta reel pro veganism, claiming that apples are not vegan because some are coated with shellack - which as we all know is derived from lice. So Peta objects to using shellack for coating apples to reduce food waste (it's preserving the apples) all on a moral high ground that we kill lice to do it, yet all the small critters and billions of insects that factory farms destroy every year - aside from destroying habitat for other lifeforms - is all nice and dandy in the name of an ideology. Sorry, I find that line of thought severly broken. So feel free to follow whatever ideology you want to follow, but give the same right to anyone else on the planet. If you really sum it up: the biggest problem on the planet are humans. Our mere presence in the numbers we're present causes all these ecological problems that lead to a mass extinction of lifeforms. I can not take anyone serious who lives in a developed country, enjoys all the amenities industrialization gave those countries while riding the high horse of an ideology that decries the side-effects of the amenities and lifestyle enjoyed. As long as you have a car, a heating, a nice apartment or house, a fridge and all the other nice things - including prepackaged rather unhealthy food enriched with all the nutrients your body needs in one convenient package - you're simply a hypocrite and nothing else. I will take you serious if you live in a tiny cottage, grow your own food in a natural way and try to have as small a footprint on the environment and it's other inhabitants as possible. That of course also means no processed foods, no supplements etc. because all of those things kill billions of lives every year.

[@dr.c2195]

Earthlings was also the documentary which played a huge role in my transition to veganism! It is a great documentary.

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

I need to watch it!!

[@davidt8087]

I always say in all comments, the NUMBER 1 MAIN AND (HIDDEN) reason meat eaters or vegetarians aren't vegan, is because they want to fit in with the majority or status quo and don't want to be labeled "vegan" as society stigmatizes it. Peolle like this are just sad, pathetic, and insecure. Is your life "free", and "independent" if your worried about how peolle see you or think of you and spend all your time trying to conform and fit in with majority and to what society deems "normal", "not weird", or "attractive"? It baffles my mind how 99% of peolle think they're "free and independent" yet their ENTIRE lives revolve around worrying about how to conform and fit in with others and not appear "weird" or "different" so they can have friends and when it comes to idiot insecure males, to "get laid". Anyone that cares what the majority who are massive, selfish, greedy, insecure, arrogant, wage-slave morons is a sad sad pathetic person indeed. 99.9% of meat eaters who claim "health" 😂 or "protein" for being meat eaters are just making up excuses, the MAIN AND ONLY TRUE REASON is that they're fearful of how their stupid insecure friends or family or majority or status quo will look at them. They think they're "tough" even though they conform to everything society deems peolle "must do" to have friends or "be somebody" or not be a "loser". I for one have a backbone and true confidence in myself. If meattards ask what I eat and I say I'm vegan, I can already tell they want to judge me or think I'm "strange", but due to how my "vibe" is and the way I carry myself, they not only don't dare say what they're about to say, but they even have to acknowledge that THEY'RE IN THE WRONG for still being meat eaters due to being cowards and not going vegan because the majority stigmatizes it. I make this wannabe "tough", "cool" guys realize just how controlled and non free/independent they are. Unfortunately many vegans cry and become suicidal the moment people make fun of them for being vegan, and they instantly go back to eating meat so they can have "positive" attention from random idiots again because they're fuking sad selfish insecure losers and don't really care for aninals, the moment they realize their needy desperate selves are being made fun of, rather than develop a backbone they show their true selfish sad selves by Conforming back to being meattards and make millions of excuses that "being vegan just didn't work out". Yea it didn't work out cuz ur a dumb fuk who ACTUALLY CARES what random idiot strangers think or what ur fake friends or non supportive family thinks. These people were NEVER VEGAN

[@ethicallybasedexomnivore]

Earthlings is soooooo unbearably brutal but it's the reality of what humans force other individuals to go through. I didn't even watch it until about seven years into being a vegan, out of curiosity; but I had to take several breaks just to make it until the end. It's one of those films that all non-vegans should have to watch at some point. If you're a vegan I would never require you to watch it because it's deeply distressing. I watched it to further my knowledge for doing more effective outreach to non-vegans.

[@KevinHiggs10]

@@ShivaniPauPodcast Earthlings made me go from omnivore to vegan overnight. It's difficult to watch but you will be glad you did.

[@MustardSkaven]

@@ethicallybasedexomnivore That's probably why you were vegan to begin with. You have more empathy for farm animals than most people.

[@veman5409]

Going veggie to vegan is super easy my friends. Try 1 day a week for a month. 2 days a week the next month and so on. Gives your body and taste buds time adjust. Vegan 8yrs and thriving. Great interview 👍

[@lynnritchie231]

Going Omni to Vegan was easy, too.......Overnight decision to go Vegan over three years ago.

[@pepper419]

Veganism is totally unnatural. Vegetarianism is natural and respectful of the animals but veganism is unnatural and will kill off the planet.

[@beastvg123]

I did it cold-turkey overnight just over three years ago. It was the easiest decision I've ever made. I had no issues transitioning. I was in horrible health due to being a BBQ guzzling, pizza inhaling alcoholic beforehand, so the fiber and micronutrients did wonders for me.

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

thank you so much for watching!!!

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

@@lynnritchie231 wow that's amazing

[@forallinnocentbeings]

That end point is on point. People act like vegans are militant extremists and self-righteous, but don't acknowledge that pretty much every vegan used to consume animal products

[@smashmusique]

some are extremists, we just need to acknowledge that. There are extremists with every political view

[@davidt8087]

I always say in all comments, the NUMBER 1 MAIN AND (HIDDEN) reason meat eaters or vegetarians aren't vegan, is because they want to fit in with the majority or status quo and don't want to be labeled "vegan" as society stigmatizes it. Peolle like this are just sad, pathetic, and insecure. Is your life "free", and "independent" if your worried about how peolle see you or think of you and spend all your time trying to conform and fit in with majority and to what society deems "normal", "not weird", or "attractive"? It baffles my mind how 99% of peolle think they're "free and independent" yet their ENTIRE lives revolve around worrying about how to conform and fit in with others and not appear "weird" or "different" so they can have friends and when it comes to idiot insecure males, to "get laid". Anyone that cares what the majority who are massive, selfish, greedy, insecure, arrogant, wage-slave morons is a sad sad pathetic person indeed. 99.9% of meat eaters who claim "health" 😂 or "protein" for being meat eaters are just making up excuses, the MAIN AND ONLY TRUE REASON is that they're fearful of how their stupid insecure friends or family or majority or status quo will look at them. They think they're "tough" even though they conform to everything society deems peolle "must do" to have friends or "be somebody" or not be a "loser". I for one have a backbone and true confidence in myself. If meattards ask what I eat and I say I'm vegan, I can already tell they want to judge me or think I'm "strange", but due to how my "vibe" is and the way I carry myself, they not only don't dare say what they're about to say, but they even have to acknowledge that THEY'RE IN THE WRONG for still being meat eaters due to being cowards and not going vegan because the majority stigmatizes it. I make this wannabe "tough", "cool" guys realize just how controlled and non free/independent they are. Unfortunately many vegans cry and become suicidal the moment people make fun of them for being vegan, and they instantly go back to eating meat so they can have "positive" attention from random idiots again because they're fuking sad selfish insecure losers and don't really care for aninals, the moment they realize their needy desperate selves are being made fun of, rather than develop a backbone they show their true selfish sad selves by Conforming back to being meattards and make millions of excuses that "being vegan just didn't work out". Yea it didn't work out cuz ur a dumb fuk who ACTUALLY CARES what random idiot strangers think or what ur fake friends or non supportive family thinks. These people were NEVER VEGAN

[@bubsybrown8308]

It's not political, it's moral..

[@sandoristar7597]

I haven't seen someone blocking you to buy vegan food or enter a vegan restaurant but I saw many vegans to it by blocking people entering macdonalds.

[@bubsybrown8308]

By blocking someone buying 'vegan food' (whatever that is? Vegetables maybe?) You wouldn't be helping any cause whatsoever. By blocking animal products you may be saving a life. Put your logic hat on.

[@GameplaymetJob]

36:47 Amazing point Ed makes here. I full agree with him. The words you use are very important and can be make or break for someone. I see many vegans using very strong words or say things very bluntly, which can turn people off. Ed doesn't do this. Therefore, I think they way he promotes Veganism is the best the way of doing so. Thank you Ed! btw: Great interview Shivani!

[@janerainbow22]

I am an old fart now. Have been vegetarian 36 years and ventured into veganism 17 years ago, with my children taking up the baton a number of years ago (cant pinpoint exactly) and with mutual family support we are fully vegan. My children have been vegetarian all their lives and not without pressure or difficulty. I remember my oldest daughter gradually realizing that some people ate animals, including her Granny, then realizing a lot, then most people ate animals. My mother used to say they would rebel against the imposition of such extreme behavior. Well they did, and swept me along into enabling becoming fully vegan. My daughter as a little girl used to tell people who didn't get it that she didn't eat anything with a face. Trust the values you instill in your children. They may succumb to peer pressure, will be curious and want to experiment, but they have never been numbed into accepting animal abuse, so trust them to make ethical choices. They will end up teaching you how to cope with vehement opposition

[@DouglasAbramskiOfficial]

Ed is solid.

[@olajankowska1408]

Thank you Ed

[@VJania]

Educational and motivational video! Thank you! Animals are here with us, not for us. One by one humanity is evolving. Veganism is the future.

[@137_Diego_]

Amazing watch, these are always so insightful. Thanks for the content! Y'all are doing the best work!

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

Glad you like them! Thanks so much for watching!!

[@CompassionIsPower]

Compassion is power!!!

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

yessss

[@TheFettuck]

Compassion for what?

[@readysoldier6799]

That couldn't possibly sound more gay

[@FM-qm5xs]

@@TheFettuck Sentient beings.

[@LukePetruzzi]

@@TheFettuckEverything!!

[@Everycloudgold]

Great guest Shivani - I love Ed’s calm and educated approach. I’m a lifelong vegetarian who has been vegan for a few years in the past, I’ll definitely be reading Ed’s book 🐰🌱

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

He’s so great isn’t he! Love how he explains every point with compassion and kindness! thank you so much for watching 🙏🏽

[@davidt8087]

I always say in all comments, the NUMBER 1 MAIN AND (HIDDEN) reason meat eaters or vegetarians aren't vegan, is because they want to fit in with the majority or status quo and don't want to be labeled "vegan" as society stigmatizes it. Peolle like this are just sad, pathetic, and insecure. Is your life "free", and "independent" if your worried about how peolle see you or think of you and spend all your time trying to conform and fit in with majority and to what society deems "normal", "not weird", or "attractive"? It baffles my mind how 99% of peolle think they're "free and independent" yet their ENTIRE lives revolve around worrying about how to conform and fit in with others and not appear "weird" or "different" so they can have friends and when it comes to idiot insecure males, to "get laid". Anyone that cares what the majority who are massive, selfish, greedy, insecure, arrogant, wage-slave morons is a sad sad pathetic person indeed. 99.9% of meat eaters who claim "health" 😂 or "protein" for being meat eaters are just making up excuses, the MAIN AND ONLY TRUE REASON is that they're fearful of how their stupid insecure friends or family or majority or status quo will look at them. They think they're "tough" even though they conform to everything society deems peolle "must do" to have friends or "be somebody" or not be a "loser". I for one have a backbone and true confidence in myself. If meattards ask what I eat and I say I'm vegan, I can already tell they want to judge me or think I'm "strange", but due to how my "vibe" is and the way I carry myself, they not only don't dare say what they're about to say, but they even have to acknowledge that THEY'RE IN THE WRONG for still being meat eaters due to being cowards and not going vegan because the majority stigmatizes it. I make this wannabe "tough", "cool" guys realize just how controlled and non free/independent they are. Unfortunately many vegans cry and become suicidal the moment people make fun of them for being vegan, and they instantly go back to eating meat so they can have "positive" attention from random idiots again because they're fuking sad selfish insecure losers and don't really care for aninals, the moment they realize their needy desperate selves are being made fun of, rather than develop a backbone they show their true selfish sad selves by Conforming back to being meattards and make millions of excuses that "being vegan just didn't work out". Yea it didn't work out cuz ur a dumb fuk who ACTUALLY CARES what random idiot strangers think or what ur fake friends or non supportive family thinks. These people were NEVER VEGAN

[@frank4pickerson]

Yes...please make the connection

[@TheFettuck]

How?

[@josephfuhr]

This is the most intelligent discussion I've ever seen that puts two intelligent and emotionally intelligent people next to each other. I'm not fully vegan yet. I'm almost there. But my reasoning in the meantime is... I should hurt animals exactly as much as I feel like I should hurt people I love. Unfortunately that means I'm still fallible and sometimes, though rarely, hurt those I love. But hopefully one day i will hurt no person nor animal at all!

[@joemontgomery860]

@josephfubr difference is, people do things to people that can cause them to want to hurt them; whereas animals do nothing to us so why harm them?

[@FM-qm5xs]

It can be daunting to change the ways we are used to. My advise is to just do it for a month and view it as an adventure. The thought of never having cheese again is scary but a month without it is totally possible. Eat lots of the things you already know and love that are vegan (mmmm potatoes) and enjoy experimenting with other things that you aren't familiar with. After a month see if you can do another month. It is so easy once you get used to it and your taste buds and habits adapt. It is just getting through the initial period of finding things you like and what works for you that takes a little effort.

[@rahtsnake144]

rape is almost never sexual, it is for power and domination. in the animals' case, money and domination.

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

this is so true

[@smashmusique]

I disagree... rape is almost always sexual. Do you agree more men are raping more often than women? if that was because of the difference in power, how do you explain pedophiles being almost exclusively men? Why don't we see women raping children since they have more power than them? Men in general have way more sex drive than women. Castration = less libido = less rape

[@van3363]

Beans and rice are a complete protein, Spinach is a great source of iron. A baked potato gives you all the minerals you need for an entire day.

[@gkholmes]

Hi I'm new to all this and am searching for better health and nutrition. I have been doing my own research and have found so many videos about vegans who have converted to a carnivore diet and had amazing health benefits but very few videos going the other way so this must be saying something?

[@aintthatjusttheway5772]

Vegan is more about reducing harm to the greatest extent. A vegan in following this principle would take steps to cause minimal harm. If a vegan learned they *needed to eat animals, they would investigate what the bare minimum was, and follow that. If you are concerned about the health effects of a plant-based diet, perhaps try eating one meat item per week and no dairy, no eggs. See how you feel?

[@joemontgomery860]

@gkholmes no, it doesn’t really “say anything” because those are anecdotes from people who were not truly “vegan.” When someone is truly vegan, it is for the ethics of reducing animal harm, so they would never go back. Keep in mind, “vegan” is not a diet and although people can say they were vegan, it doesn’t tell you what they ate. They could have lived on Oreos and coke. For health and nutrition, look at studies. All of the most highly recommended diets for health are centered on plant based diets. For more info, check out Netflix has a documentary about the Blue Zones where people live to be over 100 and common denominator is a plant based diet. Good luck.

[@markrieke8753]

Blackstrap molasses contains 20% of iron and taste very good too

[@tashaax1993xanimalloverx]

What happened to surge sanctuary? He never mentioned it ? Hmmm

[@FerventRebutter]

Going well according to their website.

[@russianvegangirl]

Reasonable and compassionate people, you have no other choice but go vegan

[@Veganweedwizard]

You’re an absolute beam of light Ed we love you

[@TheFettuck]

This beam of light is clearly blinding you from the truth.

[@Veganweedwizard]

@@TheFettuck what’s the truth?that being an animal abuser is the right thing to do?

[@TheFettuck]

@@Veganweedwizard The truth is that his real name is Edward Gaunt and not Ed Winters.

[@Veganweedwizard]

@@TheFettuck oh damn so he’s not really who he is huh, I’m no longer vegan.

[@TheFettuck]

@@Veganweedwizard Why would you believe anything he says when he is already lying about his own identity?

[@MassMultiplayer]

thx for talking veganism

[@joemontgomery860]

Well I waited through this whole thing and she still didn’t commit to being vegan? Cuz she’s more concerned about herself and how she is perceived? It’s about the animals!!!’ Geesh!

[@dlocke1966]

Race is about controll,, they’re controlling the situation.🌹🥰❤️

[@estergaleotenadal5870]

Ed is a great inspiration, as always. I'm quite confused. Is Shivani vegetarian or vegan? She speaks like a vegan but I understand she is vegetarian? The milk and eggs industries are as cruel as other animal industries and milk and eggs are as unnecessary as meat. If she is vegetarian I think she should consider if her actions are aligned with her values (that to me, they way herself express them, sound vegan)

[@KevinHiggs10]

So glad I listened to this. I've heard Ed speak a lot but I did not know about Perfect Day and precision fermentation I googled it and they actually have some vegan ice cream at the Kroger nearby I'm going to get some today.

[@dellisgibbs5823]

I won't buy lab meat, quite content giving it all up including dairy and loving the plant base foods. Don't feel like I'm missing out at all

[@vamsimohanramineedi7630]

At 3:04 you said "when I was vegan 3 years ago". Are you currently consuming animal products?

[@wolfrahmphosphoros5808]

that's not what She said. She said "when I was Vegan for 3 years". regards and happy new year.

[@vamsimohanramineedi7630]

@@wolfrahmphosphoros5808 ya sorry. But my question is still valid.

[@amarillasolo5864]

Veganism is not a diet or a culture or a fad....it's a lifestyle....a chosen way of living

[@Nicky_Dore]

Why didn’t Ed question her about why she’s not vegan?

[@erelpc]

Didn't need to. Ed made a great case for veganism and she has decided for herself to go vegan

[@jdmmg4904]

💟

[@dr.c2195]

I have heard the argument that when you buy meat you are not paying to have another animal killed. You are paying solely for the animal that is already killed. So you never order for an animal's death. And the argument is right. In the supermarket you never be to have an animal killed. You only reward someone for having killed an animal. Still, rewards matter. Is it ethical to reward a murderer or a rapist? Should we as a society reward the harming of innocent beings? Whatever you reward you will get more of. Rewarding unethical behaviour is unethical. Also, besides the ethical argument, there is also the sympathetic argument. Even if you are not technically paying to have another animal killed when you buy meat, in practice your money is what makes the harming of animals possible and the more meat you buy the more animals will be harmed. This is enough for any sympathetic person to stop. A sympathetic person would not want to unnecessarily bring harm to an innocent animal, even if it was in their right to do so.

[@MindVersusMisery]

Yeah, in short terms: supply and demand.

[@TheFettuck]

You are also not technically paying to have another animal killed when you buy commercial crops, in practice your money is what makes the harming of wild animals possible and the more commercial crops you buy the more wild animals will be harmed. This is ironically not enough for vegans to stop.

[@r.m8146]

😍😍😍

[@lochlanltd2013]

It's true that plants and Fungi don't feel pain, but that doesn't mean they can't be exploited. To remain logically consistent you should only consume plants and Fungi that aren't killed in the process, as they absolutely want to live, and killing them would be exploitation.

[@Julionp]

They are not sentient, so it's impossible they have the desire to live. They are just there.

[@lochlanltd2013]

@@Julionp How did you come to that conclusion?

[@Julionp]

@@lochlanltd2013 that they are not sentient? Because they dont have a nerve system. And if im not wrong, as far as we know, you can't have an awareness without a least nerve cells.maybe plants have other ways of having "thoughts" or awareness of the world different from what we understand. But we dont have evidence of that.

[@lochlanltd2013]

@@Julionp If conciousness is simply a bunch of nerve cells, then why is it worth protecting?

[@Julionp]

@@lochlanltd2013 I'm not sure if i understand what u mean by protecting the counciouness , but, if u are asking why is it worth giving moral value to sentient beings. I think it's worth it cause we know they can experience the world. Then we can tell that they suffer, want to avoid feeling pain and etc

[@laurainman3244]

Is the interviewer going to become vegan? She says many times that she used to be vegan. I just think that she wasn't ever really vegan, i.e. she never really got the idea of anti-speciesism, never really saw animals as someone and not as commodities

[@wolfrahmphosphoros5808]

ok, no judgment here regarding veganism, I'm neither for nor against, but do You think that there is a slight possibility that a guy, who owns vegan restaurants, has vested interest in promoting veganism[?]-just a thought. regards and happy new year.

[@johnbennett7407]

He has got a lot more than that from donations and other income from vegans and veganism. He has quite a real estate portfolio together with other investments. After acting school he used his skills to be become an extremely popular a vegan influencer and has become filthy rich as a result.

[@Celestina0]

I guarantee you don’t have the same scepticism about the meat industry. ‘Oh they make all their money from massacring animals by the millions? Well they said it was humane so it must be…’

[@wolfrahmphosphoros5808]

@@Celestina0 I am yet to see a steak-house-Owner promoting beef-rich-diet. regards.

[@johnbennett7407]

@@Celestina0 I think it is humane because I lived on a farm as a kid in a farming area and have also had friends who worked in slaughterhouses. I can compare this with the bs propaganda documentaries that are put out to con ignorant lowbrows into going vegan by pretending it isn't humane.

[@theironfox2756]

His net worth is 3 million. To compare, the CEO of Tyson foods is worth 3 billion and spends millions on advertising every year.

[@veganger96]

subscribed and unsubscribed in under 4 mins, she says she's a "used to be a vegan"

[@fabygoo]

Gave me the eek too 😬

[@beastvg123]

Yeah, I didn't sub in the first place since the channel mostly seems to focus on human related issues.

[@erelpc]

She's decided to go vegan and was very receptive to everything Ed expressed.

[@MustardSkaven]

Yeah vegans are zealots like Muslims. They do not tolerate apostates.

[@fabygoo]

@@MustardSkavenyeah, damn vegans and their intolerance for the exploitation of others 🙄

[@RamseyRimkeit]

Officially, we raise our kids vegan, but they choose what they eat outside of the house, so they are really vegetarian. They eat non-vegan birthday cake and pizza at birthday parties.

[@erelpc]

I'm sure you will get through to them eventually

[@johnbennett7407]

I've heard of a lot of vegan kids eating ants or going through garbage to satiate their incessant hunger. Hopefully those occasional breaks will alleviate the need to do that.

[@joemontgomery860]

@@johnbennett7407how ridiculous are you? “I’ve heard…”🤣🤣🤣

[@FM-qm5xs]

@@johnbennett7407 I was a meat eating child who ate ants on occasion. Kids are weird.

[@kevinandrewrea123]

💚✊

[@FunkeyPhysicsMonkey]

For lab meat, I totally support the development of it, but we live in a capitalist world. I can see so many companies farming animals in order to create their own animal cells to say that their unique animal cells are tastier. That all said, I think lab grown meat drastically reduces harm and potentially can have virtually no harm, but when it comes to harm, capitalism finds a way.

[@approachshail]

In March 2022 i came across Ed Winters video about vegan, since then im trying my best to , thanks to Ed.

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

That’s amazing!

[@TheFettuck]

Who is Ed Winters?

[@sciencelad8286]

Interesting. People’s opinions seem to weigh more on her than her personal ethics and morals. She’s not going to have children because people around her object to her bringing them up vegetarians. We need to understand and accept the fact that doing the right thing sometimes displeases people who have no connection to ethics and morality, like her family sponsoring pain, suffering and death of sentient loving and lovable individuals by the billions.

[@TheFettuck]

Vegans shouldn't have children! Why would vegans deliberately birth children which have the ability to experience pain and suffering? Why would it be alright to create suffering with children when it isn't alright to do the same with farmed animals? Vegans with children are hypocrites!

[@sciencelad8286]

@@TheFettuck Vegans live a healthier and happier life by orders of magnitude. Fewer diseases in general, fewer hospitalizations, fewer coronary diseases, less blood pressure problems, less heart attacks, less cancer occurrence, less seconday ingestion of hormones and antibiotics that are injected into animals. Further, vegans contribute to a cleaner healthier world since farm animals contribute to most of the damage to the environment, indeed far more than all the cars, trucks, buses, trains, airplanes, and ships combined. The vast majority of medicines you see in pharmacies today are there to try to reverse the damage of unhealthy lifestyles and food choices people make. What is the reason for not being vegan?

[@TheFettuck]

@@sciencelad8286 This doesn't mean that children can't experience pain and suffering. Vegans with children are still hypocrites!

[@Yavor-Karapetrov]

It was an excellent conversation :) But I would remain very very skeptical about lab grown meat and its ethics. Nobody explains this properly. 1. First, if lab meat is widespread all over the world, can we ensure that the animals we use for biopsy, will have the space and freedom they really need? Can we predict that; Is Ed well acquainted with such predictions? 2. Second, Ed can see a problem with a backyard hens, because they are selectively bread to serve our needs. That could be a similar problem with lab grown meat. We will most probably use the same breeds we use now; Or will we use actually wild animals to confine? 3. Third of all. Dairy cows are slaughtered, because the milk production declines. What if it occurs, that if an Animal is too old his/her cells are not good enough to grow meet; or it's not tasty enough. If an old (or bad by any standard) animal can not provide good meat, it will be slaughtered and replaced with younger (or better) animal. 4. Is it 100% clear that the serum in which cells grow, is 100% animal-free? How would you just say a lab grown meat has no ethical implications, if we actually don't have such an industry?!? Your imagination is not enough - "a feather fallen in the shit of a free chicken - now we have meat to feed the world"! ----- The interview was great :)

[@MustardSkaven]

I have no interest in lab grown meat.

[@laurainman3244]

I don't think vegans would want to consume lab-produced meat.

[@lisanyugenhascancer6332]

I am vegan indian for 2 years now

[@RohitSharma-tl7cc]

#Vegan Indian since 2019.

[@Krumpina1029]

I'm Indian since 1983. I'm Pakistani now.

[@bbblackwell]

Vegetarianism is a diet; veganism is a moral position. Vegetarians, stop thinking we're on the same page.

[@user-gy3vp2uy4r]

Բարև

[@lyane-yf9xk]

#govegan

[@eselindalie]

People like me, who only recently began eating fruit 🍑 and 🍀 vegetables, should be given a new name called FruVeg because some people wish to identify as vegans while happily consuming modified animal cells.

[@CheriLay]

Kind and reasonable people, please go vegan, drop the excuses!

[@lauratanln]

No meat is not an identity or culture. It is more like an addiction, like smoking. Smokers may see images of diseases on the packaging but because they are addicted, they oppose strongly to any moves to ban it. As for meat, it is sometimes that is fed from young so it is only perceived as nothing but food. As opposed to someone born in a vegan family who can see animals as just animals, not food. Just as someone in some countries who see insects like crickets as food but disgusting to others.

[@uweschroeder]

There really is only one valid argument: many vegans try to bring other people to do what they do. THAT is the one argument against vegans. You do what you think you want to do, I do what I think I want to do. Simple as that. The "holier than though" attitude of many vegans is simply annoying because when you look at it, there is absolutely no reason for that. Vegans don't have a moral or ethical high ground - they just think they do. That level of intolerance is what really sets vegans and non-vegans apart. Have you ever seen a vegan restaurant that offers animal products for non-vegan customers? Like just one dish - doesn't even have to be meat, something with an egg would do. I haven't, yet vegans expect that even a Steakhouse offers at least one vegan dish. Something to think about...

[@sunday525]

let me pick up your quote "you do what you think you want to do, i do what i think i want to do". would you apply that to a murderer or rapist? would you have the same attitude towards them? i assume not and so this shows that this has nothing to do with morality.

[@uweschroeder]

@@sunday525 One is legal, the other isn't. Poor argument.

[@sunday525]

@@uweschroeder so legality is your standard for morality then? so some years ago it was morally justified to rape women in marriage? was it ever morally justified to enslave people? hopefully you see that morality has nothing to do with legality either.

[@uweschroeder]

@@sunday525 and veganism has little to do with morality either. Do you know how many billions of animals farming kills every year? How many billions more are killed by corporations like Unilver, Kraft, Nestle etc. all jumping on the highly processed vegan replacements train? So just because vegans pick which animals they don't want to kill doesn't make them morally superior. Personally I much rather eat an animal I know had a good life than eat something where I don't know what effects the production had on nature. But to each his own.

[@sunday525]

@@uweschroeder i'm quite aware that even a vegan diet causes harm to animals. i just wonder what you know about the food your animal gets? most of agriculture is used to produce animal food, not human food. so by not eating animals i simply reduce the suffering. also it has nothing to do with moral "superiority". it's just moral.

[@deepdive5092]

Winter is coming!!! 😊😁

[@TheFettuck]

Gaunt is lying!!! 😊😁

[@ChristopherHarrison-qp2ix]

@17:15 The answer is that a ribeye steak has around 70g of protein but a stalk of broccoli has 0.9g protein. Tofu has around 9g of protein in a quarter block. It's important to say that the protein in broccoli and tofu is also much less bioavailable than the protein in the steak.

[@ethicallybasedexomnivore]

I've been a vegan for nearly eight years now and I honestly couldn't be more proud to have given how we view our relationship with and to other-than-human-animals deep, intellectual consideration over the years because it led me to the conclusion that (let's say, for the sake of argument) EVEN if enough people transitioning to veganism didn't have an economical impact, it matters to the individuals that you don't support those industries and practices that lead to their mothers bring forcibly impregnated just to bring them into existence to exploit, abuse, and kill them. We shouldn't give industries our support simply BECAUSE it's wrong to be okay with viewing anyone as an object to be done with as you please. Especially when there's no need to these days. I mean, it's never okay but as the years go on that's becoming more and more true.

[@polishedpoison]

Damn Earthling Ed I am carnivore and I don't even have a list of favorite meats...

[@xmillion1704]

You do not consume any grains, fruits, legumes or vegetables?

[@fjalar4856]

Can't beat Ed✌️

[@mhl8396]

Most of the milk alternatives are made abroad. Why would UK taxpayers fund that?

[@qatarofwkabayansheilavlog1984]

More subscribers please on this channel..it's really worth it.

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

Aw thank you 🙏🏽

[@Wlof25]

Around 00:10:16. That someone was right. Purchase or consumption of animal products isn't killing an animal. Your response to that is conflating apples and oranges. No one hired someone to kill an animal. When i buy a chair. I don't commission someone to cut down a tree. I don't even think about it and that wasn't the aim of my purchase. So you cannot then use that and say it's the same like planning to cut down a tree and then hiring someone to do it. The two cannot be more different.

[@chimp09]

Because you are unaware of what you are buying, you have nothing to do with it? "Hey I want to buy a human kidney. As long as I don't pay you to kill someone and just pay you for the kidney, I'm good. Right?"

[@alex941230]

How do you get the meat you pay for out of the animal? The killing of the animal is a direct consequence of you buying it's bodyparts, thus you paid for it, and created demand for more. Just because you didn't intend for something to happen, doesn't make the consequences of that action or purchase disappear. Maybe you should think about where the things you buy come from some more.

[@Wlof25]

@@alex941230 No, it isn't. The killing of an animal is a direct consequence of someone else's desires. I can buy meat from someone and that someone not to decide to kill some animal. So that is one nonsense. Secondly. You can scroll little bit more in the comment section and see my 4 points why "you paid for it" is absolute nonsense. I am not a consequentlist, so I don't give a shit for your consequences. And secondly, if we go with consequence route, then that leads to some uncomfortable and intuitive conclusions, like there are no accidents and accidents don't matter, which many would discard as nonsense. So, instead of repeating the same vegan nonsensical dogma, you can just use your head.

[@alex941230]

@@Wlof25 you don't desire to eat their flesh when you buy it? Whose desire is it then? Again, how do you get the meat out of the animal? If you didn't pay for it, then the meat wouldn't be taken out of the animal. It's dead simple, cause and effect. By buying the product demand is induced, directly or indirectly. It is very far from nonsense.

[@alex941230]

@@Wlof25 sure there are accidents, doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

[@lauratanln]

Mentality towards animals is created or distorted by marketing of animal products as fashionable, or represent a "good" life and that you must "enjoy" life. All about exploitation of both consumers and innocent, vulnerable sentient beings.

[@RilaQma]

I started my vegan journey 6 month ago after my kitty went to cat heaven. My kitty left me due to kidney failure. Made me think of my own health. I went on KZbin to search healthier diet. Tried so-call healthier keto first then I got worse😂 then I found vegan communities then gave a try. After 6 month I feel better and will continue to eat WFPB. More followers doesn’t mean it’s the right way. 😂

[@allandm]

Sorry about your cat, that must've been hard. Happy to hear you tried veganism though, I'm actually quite surprised we don't have more people going vegan.

[@joemontgomery860]

@RilaQma so sorry about your kitty :( we’ve lost several to kidney failure since we’ve done cat rescue for over 20 years. It never gets any easier. We’ve actually lost 3 this year alone so far. A friend did Leto, 40 yes old, ended up in the hospital and almost died. Now is only daily dialysis. Worst thing ever. Idk how people get away with touting it. You’ll lose weight quickly but what it does to your overall health is not good. WFPB is the best way to go imo. Good luck to you. Will you get another kitty? I know it feels like you can never go through that again, but I always think of it as a tribute to the ones we lost is to share the love they gave with another.

[@acoolducksloveryeahweexist]

"vegans shouldn't hold their whole identity around veganism" Me: ops

[@allandm]

Went vegan about a year ago, idk how it's like in other parts of the world, but in England it was a lot easier than I thought.

[@johnbennett7407]

I believe that at 3% of the population it is the vegan capital.

[@allandm]

@@johnbennett7407 yeah, that's very little isn't it? Considering it's not that hard here

[@johnbennett7407]

@@allandm As a proportion of the country but other countries have a lower proportion so it is still something of an achievement for veganism.

[@lisaleis4934]

“Sound mind” when you are 11 ?!😂

[@justinhale5693]

Vegan activists are going about this the hard way, just like most well-meaning activists. They are simply trying to convince others to be as passionate about veganism as they are, despite all the other importance and competing concerns - concerns that directly impact other *people* - and despite the fact that more people are comfortable asking about pro-social charity and activism from people they trust, often those who sacrificed more than a few menu options.

[@wergeeg]

Surely you're vegan yourself if you're so critical of how vegans are doing activism?

[@justinhale5693]

@@wergeeg All I'll asking you vegans to consider is to give higher priority to doing right than to being right. Once you claim any moral superiority in any dimension, you open yourself up to arguments like 'Why should I care about your pet project over my concerns?' If you want to minimize harm to animals you all are doing a poor job of it by Ed's own account, and it's strange you all aren't very curious about alternative ways to get vegan compliance. I'll give you that Earthing Ed's tact is a great way to use argumentation. Are you *entirely* certain that the *only* way or even the *best* way for every omnivore you meet is to use argumentation however polite?

[@wergeeg]

@@justinhale5693 Dude I don't know what you're talking about. It is not that deep. Do you support animal abuse or not?

[@charlesfraunhofer7893]

I'm not excusing rudeness or "immoral" eating, but eating a cheeseburger from a cheeseburger company with a clown doesn't prove anything, except that cheeseburgers aren't vegetarian, you can be kicked out of the vegetarian society for eating a cheeseburger, and don't give me this "he's "naturally" like that, it's hard to be a vegetarian", rubbish! Eating a cheeseburger's no excuse even if it's from a fancy restaurant. Veganism is considered moderate now but it wasn't under the class of moderation in The Vegan Society, certainly not with Leslie Cross, by his dietary philosophy it's about and I quote "not exploiting animals", end quote. Furthermore the issue with the good things in life isn't a problem if you just do it, don't tell me that we "naturally eat meat", that's silly, it's still disgraceful if you're in any vegetarian/vegan club. About vegan "sausage" rolls, it's not sausage, sausages are made of meat, as with sausage meat, the standard base for a sausage roll, as for mushroom stroganoff, really? Stroganoff is made of beef! It could've been called vegan mushroom and blended tofu, using meat names to describe vegan imitations causes "confusion" for a man used to eating boeuf stroganoff, some of the vegan "stroganoffs" contain chickpeas, it's "not" a normal stroganoff dish. Veganism has gone so common these days it's now the norm, it didn't seem normal before, I know the difference between a creamy disgusting dairy milk coffee and a lacking-creaminess vegan soy coffee, I spent the whole time drinking vegan coffee (not black coffee silly, vegan means it's a replacement for an animal product), I stopped drinking dairy coffee a long time ago, finding out how disgusting it is.

[@kaleighandrews7538]

She keeps saying when I was vegan, so is this woman not vegan anymore?

[@charlesfraunhofer7893]

Vegans think they're so good, I've seen "Walker: Texas Ranger" and the people in it are just good people celebrating at the pub having a good time, do they care about a "diet"? No, they care about morals. The point is veganism is just a position of saving animals, it's not the same thing as selfless, helpful behaviour like charity and helping the elderly, that's what I call good, since my standards of what's good are high, good behaviour isn't being selfish eating that ridiculous veggie burger, I tried it, I "was" a vegan who got embarrased of its morals, it was like a demon controlling my brain, so I quit veganism. As a Puritan moral behaviour is extremely without gambling, immoral sex (not the sex itself, which isn't a sin, it's when it's lustful or gay without your wife when it becomes a problem), or getting drunk to name a few. Since KZbin is kid friendly I can't overdo the dodgy material, I'm careful what I write, I don't use bad language on there or too strongly the s word (shit), I'm lucky I'm not regarded as immoral, however as people get away with "murder" we tolerate vegans, some of us don't agree with it, but the animals get killed from the very drinking of almond milk, and eating of avocados, since I have a Piers Morgan sentiment, it's sweet of him, am I the only one who cares about his "dietary" philosophy? Things get ugly when Piers is defending his silly diet of eating a Big Mac in front of vegans, it's not "cruel" what he's doing, he's just being a dick, it's cruel if however you see a suffocating fish and you still eat it.

[@criticalpsyche]

if you adopt veganism, you should know argument against it that is how clarity comes about your choice. I like to have choices

[@TheFettuck]

The main argument against veganism is the fact that it doesn't actually prevent the killing of animals.

[@criticalpsyche]

@@TheFettuck depends on what person think about what veganism is, just like any other ideology there are people who make their versions of veganism. For me it is how much anyone can prevent loss of lives it does not need to be absolutely all but as per choices where it can be made.

[@TheFettuck]

@@criticalpsyche Everybody also needs to grow all of their own crops (subsistence agriculture) when they want to prevent the killing of animals.

[@criticalpsyche]

@@TheFettuck that is true,

[@criticalpsyche]

@@TheFettuck the reason why i do not like radical veganism

[@Cilan1999]

Hey, its vegan Jesus!

[@rabbitcaroline666]

I can never understand why people care so much about what others think of them. Who cares?

[@JD-jg2hm]

So you going vegan then

[@ShivaniPauPodcast]

yes im trying to!

[@JD-jg2hm]

@@ShivaniPauPodcast I see it as something once the penny drops it’s impossible not to be. As much as it’s not right to be racist or homophonic it’s not right to participate knowingly in extreme cruelty to animals. Good luck 😎

[@sactobarber3545]

@@ShivaniPauPodcast As Yoda says, "Just do or do not. There is no try."

[@v.a.n.e.]

what a breathtaking sight! one could not decide which of these two gorgeous ladies is more beautiful! P.S. well, In retrospect, the lady on the right actually has a gentler voice

[@Celestina0]

In an attempt to insult vegans you’re just calling them hot

[@v.a.n.e.]

that's only 50% true. the right side is kinda combusted and turns into ashes, apparently due to their hotness

[@RohitSharma-tl7cc]

Carnivores don't have a choice but you as a Human have. You don't need animal products to survive. Plants don't feel pain neither they suffer but Animals do. To feel pain one needs Receptors,Central Nervous System & a Brain which Plants lack but Animals have. So be kind to Animals be #Vegan 🙏🌱

[@TheFettuck]

All living organisms suffer from distress and hardship!

[@RohitSharma-tl7cc]

@@TheFettuck There's a difference between Sentient & Insentient.

[@TheFettuck]

@@RohitSharma-tl7cc That doesn't mean that organisms like plants, fungi and bacteria don't suffer. All living organisms suffer from drought stress (distress) and difficult living conditions (hardship).

[@MustardSkaven]

@@RohitSharma-tl7cc And there's a difference between human and not human. Can you define pain for us?

[@RohitSharma-tl7cc]

@@MustardSkaven Human is also a part of Animal Kingdom, the pain which you feel, the same is felt by every Animal who has nervous system, receptors & brain.

[@dr.c2195]

Vegans can also just grow avocados and almonds themselves. Making meat ethical is not as easy as that.

[@JohnRusso007]

Ed works for Blue Horizon Ventures. They pitch fake meat. He's a corporate stooge.

[@TheFettuck]

Edward is a liar and a fraud.

[@JohnRusso007]

@@TheFettuck Vegans should at least pick a better actorvist.

[@TheFettuck]

@@JohnRusso007 Edward is obviously only doing this for the money. He found a way to brainwash and manipulate less smart people into giving him their money.

[@Wlof25]

Ed doesn't make any sense. He is saying that just by virtue of buying X, you are paying for the production of a new X. That is wrong on so many levels. (a) I cannot pay something with someone else's money. I exchange money for X. That money is no longer mine. So when someone else uses that money to produce X2, it literally cannot be me paying for that, because that is literally not my money to spend on that. (b) If I pay for the production of X2, then I must have some stake in it, like ownership or such. If you spend money to produce a chair, then it is your chair. When you sell it you get the money, because you invested money in making that chair. I cannot own both X and X2, because I am just a consumer of X and not the producer of X2. (c) I cannot be paying for the production of X2 if I didn't intend or execute it myself. Imagine someone gets hold of your credit card or something and then orders bunch of bacon. Did you pay for it? I mean, it came from your bank account, so you must be the one who payed for it, right? Of course not. You aren't the one who executed the transaction. You aren't the one who intended that to happen. So Ed is either ignoring intentions altogether or he is assuming intentions from thin air. (d) When you buy something from the supermarket, you money will go to the pockets of the non-vegan owners who will most certainly use a part of that money for some animal product. Did you ask them to do that and thus did you pay for that purchase of animal product just by virtue of giving them money for some veggies? Of course not.

[@chimp09]

So you argue that capitalism is impossible. How has it been working for the last 100 years then? Magic?

[@Wlof25]

@@chimp09 I didn’t argue that, obviously. Are you going to address what I actually wrote?

[@chimp09]

@@Wlof25 You did argue that. "He is saying that just by virtue of buying X, you are paying for the production of a new X." That is purely the way capitalism works with supply and demand. If you say that is wrong, you directly say capitalism is not working. But I can adress your points individually: (a) Is just nitpicky. Regardless of what you are paying for, you indirectly pay for the way it was produced. (b) Is just nitpicky again. If somebody buys a chair he is indirectly paying for the production of that chair. (c) Of course you pay for the production. Lol. Your example with the credit card is just off topic. (d) If you buy something from the supermarket, somebody will notice what you have bought and order the same stuff again. So you are again indirectly paying for the production by buying a product. So to summarize, you just ignore how capitalism works for 100s of years already. Without someone buying meat, there would be no production of meat. Easy as that.

[@Wlof25]

@@chimp09 That's isn't capitalism, but whatever. Let's focus on my points. And we will go one by one, because I don't want to write a large message. (a) Saying that is nitpicky isn't an argument and isn't a rebuttal. You just ignored the fact that I cannot be paying something with someone else's money or with money I don't own. If someone else owns money and someone else spends that money then it stands to reason that someone else pays something with that money. That is a self evident fact. If you don't refute it and keep rejecting it, then there is no need to go to other points, because you would argue in bad faith.

[@chimp09]

@@Wlof25 "That's isn't capitalism, but whatever." It is exactly capitalism. The core of capitalism is supply and demand. If you buy something, you create a demand und the the market supplies. "You just ignored the fact that I cannot be paying something with someone else's money or with money I don't own. [...]" Which is totally irrelevant. The relevant point is: Are you creating a demand by paying for the product? And if yes, that is creating the supply and thus it is correct to say you are paying for the production. (Though you are only paying for it indirectly and thus it is just nitpicky what you are trying to say here)

[@AndrewHorezga]

Dogs are animals...no prob cutting a neck

[@batabata3239]

Psycho

[@Carnemexada]

What about all of the animals killed due to crop security and pesticides? At least I eat the animals killed so that I may live.

[@HenkvanMierlo]

Cattle needs a lot of crops just to grow up, so if you're worried about that all the more reason not to eat meat.

[@Carnemexada]

@@HenkvanMierlo cows are ruminants. Their natural diet is grass. Any crops used to feed animals is a waste byproduct from the production of crops for human consumption. Particularly, seed and grain oils. All the more reason to stop eating soy and corn.

[@wergeeg]

@@Carnemexada False. Actually research how animals are fed. They don't just eat grass - and neither do the billions of chickens.

[@Carnemexada]

@@wergeeg do you know what a ruminant is? Chickens are not ruminant, but they will forage. The foods a chicken consumes naturally as they graze and forage the land include a wide variety of local vegetation, grasses, herbs, seeds, berries, worms, insects, snails, slugs and snakes.

[@wergeeg]

​@@Carnemexada See: our world in data's global-land-for-agriculture

[@sandoristar7597]

Nope, since plants are also living organisms, and we should treat them the same way we treat animals

[@bubsybrown8308]

No nervous system, or pain receptors, try again. But.. if you want to make that argument by going vegan you'd be eating less plants. Have you researched what the 80 billion land animals we farm are fed?

[@erelpc]

Animals being an organism isn't the reason for veganism. The reason for veganism is because animals are sentient :)

[@robmik83]

Not sure I understand it all, Earthling got an ED from not eating meat?

[@beastvg123]

It would be the opposite. High cholesterol can contribute to ED. Consuming very little saturated fat, trans fat, and zero cholesterol is a good way of preventing ED. Also, avoiding the consumption of growth hormone and estrogen in red meat and dairy is a good way of avoiding gynocemastia. Population studies examining blood and free testosterone levels between Vegan and non-Vegan men generally show no difference when accounting for other lifestyle factors. Some studies even suggest Vegan men have higher testosterone. Which would make sense considering every 'soyboy,' or effeminate man I've met consumes animal products. Same with every obese man I've ever met.

[@robmik83]

@@beastvg123 If you look at carnivore influencers like Shawn Baker, Ken Berry, Saladino, etc. they look generally muscular and well build, while vegans like looks skinny and frail, take Michael Greger as a case exhibit #1. 😄

[@robmik83]

@@beastvg123 photos - who of them looks healthier? i.redd.it/mz21eimyp6351.jpg

[@beastvg123]

@JollyRoger Shawn Baker and his ilke are known, roided out quacks. Look at his nasty red skin and empty eyes. There's nobody home. He's not even a person. Cherrypicking random examples of people you think look good is very weird. All I need to do is drop photos of Brian Turner or Nimai Delgado and a bunch of random goulish meat eaters to counter.

[@dilfhunter77]

@@robmik83 there are vegan body builders, fitness influencers etc lol and ofc the meat eaters look healthy NOW. Most of the problems arise when you’re 40 or 50 …

[@dr.c2195]

Gotta love the canine argument. First people argue that they have canines and thus they must eat meat. And then they eat meat by biting it off with their incissors, chewing it with their molars, and then swallowing it. No one ever eats meat by tearing it off as if they are a lion. They would look ridiculous. Canines of meat eaters are optimal for meat because they can tear raw meat. We do not eat raw meat, we do not like it. And our canines are too small to tear meat anyway (which means our canines actually prove that we are not meat eaters because real meat eaters would never have canines too small to tear meat). We cook the meat to make it tender and then we eat the meat in exactly the same way as a natural plant eater consumes plants. The reason for this is that we are plant eaters and we have a plant eater's mouth. we have molars, incissors, movable jaws, thick tongue for chewing and not for lapping up fluids, capability to suck with our mouths, a throat which would choke in large pieces of meat, etc. When all you have is a plant eater's mouth, every food looks like a plant. And if it does not then we just cook it and add condiments to make it so that it does. Humans are frugivores. They are not even omnivores. It is true that humans eat processed meat. But cats eat processed beans and processed grain, yet they are not considered omnivores. If you need to process food before you can eat it then it is not your natural food. The sole reason you need to process it is because your body lacks the natural tools to do the processing.

[@TheFettuck]

You are probably also one of those people who only eat bananas.

[@dr.c2195]

@@TheFettuck Wrong. I eat 100% raw but it seems my diet is more varied than you can imagine. There are enough raw vegan cooking channels on KZbin if you want to learn how diverse a raw vegan diet can be. And of course, if you are lucky enough to live in our natural habitat then you do not even need food preparation, in that case nature already offers more diversity than one can consume in a lifetime with only the fruits already counting in the hundreds of thousands. Though bananas are pretty great, it being of the fruits which retains pretty decent quality even when picked very unripe. They are a raw vegan staple in unnatural habitats for good reason.

[@TheFettuck]

@@dr.c2195 You obviously aren't living in a natural habitat. You are destroying the planet with CO2 gasses by transporting foreign/tropical fruits from across the planet! Your logic is a contradiction!

[@dr.c2195]

​@@TheFettuck What contradiction? None of what you said contradicts anything I said. Places like Thailand produce an abundance of high-quality fruit regardless of where I am or what I am doing. Also, I actually moved to another country for a large part in order to plant a perma-culture food forest. And what are you doing for the environment? Need my help getting that log out of your eye? Besides, what else would you have suggested, that I starve? It is not all or nothing. Better is better, even if it is not perfect. There are plenty of good things that even people in Northern climates can do, some of which I also did back when I was stuck there.

[@TheFettuck]

@@dr.c2195 The contradiction applies to most (if not all) "vegans" who are living in northern/colder climates. Everybody should move to Thailand and grow their own crops according to your logic. The fact that people still live outside of Thailand clearly shows that humans have adapted to different climates which also works better with an omnivorous diet.

[@allenreevearrows2553]

I eat raw eggs and meat. 🥩🍖🥚

[@Brandonbc22]

🙌🏼

[@MustardSkaven]

Raw eggs is dangerous. Make sure the meat is very fresh, otherwise it can also be dangerous.

[@allenreevearrows2553]

gay

[@Ibanezguy2007]

How about, I don't want to turn into a woman like Earthling Ed.

[@johnbennett7407]

🤣🤣🤣 Speaking of turn into a woman ... have you seen Paul McCartney lately? What is with these soy boys? Is it generally not getting enough nutrition or just not enough cholesterol to make normal testosterone levels.

[@johnbennett7407]

Ed's problem is a two edged sword. He is a trained actor who is brilliantly charismatic and could sell ice to Inuit. He deliberately tries to look like the contemporary depictions of Jesus Christ with the long hair like any astute cult leader. However he is so girly that to an outsider he looks ridiculous. He has made a fortune from vegans so the JC approach has complimented his acting ability. His networth was estimated at $720, 000 by Joshua Smith on his website. This is based on the value of his clothing brand, online business and personal home. This doesn't take into account his cafe and real estate holdings. He also owns a small stock portfolio.and eCommerce sales, KZbin ads, affiliate links and brand sponsors. I would estimate Ed gets about $230, 690 per year doing You Tubes, lecturing and street preaching (estimate based on average KZbin monetisation and donations provided by vegans which is transparent on his patreon) plus other income as discussed above. The vegan related income has been his livelihood. Although using vegans to get rich has enabled other streams of income.

[@Ibanezguy2007]

@@johnbennett7407 It's no coincidence that every vegan starts looking weaker and behaving more effeminate. They will try and "debunk" this by showing pics of Vegan "bodybuilders" that are ALL on Exogenous test and other steroids and they look absolutely terrible.

[@Celestina0]

Ed turns straight men gay and that’s somehow a point AGAINST veganism. Vegans are just too hot. We should all aspire to be overweight red faced gammons instead.

[@Ibanezguy2007]

@@Celestina0 Wtf. 🤢🤢

[@Brandonbc22]

Eating a stack of meat watching this hahahahahaha

[@frankerz8339]

veganism is only possible if you are a rich hipster

[@ArmindaHeart]

Yeah until the diet starts to make the rich hipster sick with all sorts of oddities. Which is why most vegans quit and swing waaaaay over to the carnivore diet. Omnivore diet for the win! 😆

[@batabata3239]

BS the cheapest food in the supermarket is vegan, rice beans pasta bread

[@ArmindaHeart]

@@batabata3239 But wegans don’t only buy basic staples, do they? And how much do your supplements cost?

[@frankerz8339]

@@batabata3239 you have all your foods shipped from around the world, its not even a complete diet you depend on supplements

[@batabata3239]

Same as meateaters, so your point is?

[@beastvg123]

Ed is based and redpilled.

[@munkami]

Life is a paradox. We can't either be good people nor bad people. We are both bad and good. We are capable of doing great things and very bad things. Life's paradox is no more present than in our relationship with farmed animals. We must rear them with kindness, let them graze well, care for them. And then kill them and eat them. We must accept this reality of life. It is how it is.

[@AndrewHorezga]

Eat meat be human

[@MadebyJimbob]

Vegansim is a broken philosophy. I’ll debate any vegan on my channel.

[@karinkyrr8302]

The thing is. I love animals. So I hate animal cruelty. But nutrition is a problem.

[@wergeeg]

What is the problem? The scientific evidence is clear that a properly planned vegan diet is healthy. Check out Dr. Greger's daily dozen.

[@Bluegrassman12]

Huh, so your not vegan ???

[@judenfisch]

she not vegan because stoopid people call her an extremist and hate her then she thinks

[@erelpc]

She is now. Ed made a comepelling case.

[@Meat_is_murder]

Wish more moms are telling the truth about meat

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

Poor ed look at him what a pityful excuse for a male of the species.

[@sactobarber3545]

Glass houses

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

@Sactobarber ed is pathetic lets be honest.

[@sactobarber3545]

@@evilsotherbrother7481 yah, you’re a beauty too.

[@evilsotherbrother7481]

@Sactobarber im not referring to his looks im referring to his character and personality. Ed is from the lowest end of the gene pool. Brushing his hair doesnt change that. @chrissie Horsely another vegan who thinks youre ugly. Arent they just a bunch of small minded superficial cunts.

[@sactobarber3545]

@@evilsotherbrother7481 of course you are referring to his looks. You said “look at him”. Then referred to his hair as well. You carnists love to lie.