Edge 2 ARM PC PRO First Look, A New & Powerful Next-Gen SBC Right Now!

[@skins4thewin]

They definitely should have designed the case so it could fit that I/O board. Not sure why they didn't do that, am sure it wouldn't have been that hard & wouldn't have increased the size that much.

[@nobunga7151]

I think I'd have preferred they added the Extension and the Ethernet attachments together, along with a new case to fit it.

[@skins4thewin]

@@nobunga7151 Yeah I agree. Or that separate dock accessory should have had the I/O board stuff in it too including the MicroSD & Audio jack. Doesn't really make sense how they did the accessories at all. Ah well, guess ya can't have it all.

[@namesaresohard]

I'm excited to see a handheld using this sbc, I want my pocket PS2

[@thewarrior313]

Straight up!

[@srvuk]

$269.90 for the basic and $369.90 for the Pro. I would expect a whole lot more for these prices. I find the dock almost laughable. When you consider what Radxa and Orange Pi have done for lower cost, Khadas just seems out of touch.

[@TBMartin]

The Orange Pi may look more attractive on the outside but we are talking about a Chinese company, who only really make these things for the hell of it. Official support after a few months is non existent too so I wouldn't knock Khadas for their prices when they do support their own products for a long time.

[@quademasters249]

Agreed. There's not $400 worth of product here. At that price, I'd rather have an Odroid H3+. Intel CPU and can run any OS.

[@srvuk]

@@TBMartin Khadas are also based in Shenzhen, China. Much development for all these kinds of boards comes from the community, rather than the companies themselves. I really don't see the value in such a thing and the fact that the specially designed case doesn't take into account the I/O board also shows lack of attention to something rather fundamental in design. OOWOW is the one thing that they do have going for them. Compare it to the Rock 5B and there is no real contest.

[@F0XH0UND007]

What isn't a Chinese company or manufactured part. I find it funny when people mention china yet china owns the whole market with practically all chipsets. Even the name brands are built from China. It's all about that market strategy aimed for certain customers.

[@Kanken-jl7oe]

@@TBMartin support for the opi 5 has been pretty good recently, we got gpu acceleration working and it's a solid board all-round for half the price of the edge 2... khadas also being chinese i see no reason i should buy from them at this point... even the rock5b is a better value than whetever this is...

[@moralesjourneyman]

5:06 It says FUN, not RUN. Also, every device should come with a FUN button. 😜

[@DyesubDave]

I totally agree! My stereo amp has a loudness button that my son calls the 'FUN' button. LOL

[@harryshuman9637]

This thing costs 369.90 USD. Who is this for exactly? For a cheap PC you can get cheaper and more powerful PCs based on mobile Ryzen chips. For an ARM DIY board you can find 3 dozen different ARM boards for the fraction of the price.

[@johnaraya3761]

Yes prime made it to a million subs congratulations boss you deserve it so much. Thank you for years of learning

[@MARTINREN1231]

it looks like it has a small dedicated GPU on it! its adorable.

[@user-ve2yz9ne9g]

It is

[@fabio78]

Not really what makes or breaks an SBC, but this thing, board and case, looks beautiful! 😍

[@SteveSimpson]

That case looks amazing. Very nice design.

[@skins4thewin]

The docking station should have had all of the things that the I/O board has including the MicroSD slot & audio jack. Another unfortunate misstep there.

[@greenjp779]

That's such a cool case! That dock let's you quick undock without any hassle for when you want to take it out with you, just pick it up off the dock and throw it in your pocket, or vise versa

[@the_real_briel]

Thanks ETA! I love your Videos (: Thanks for putting in the hard work to create this amazing content! Have a great day!

[@liveeventcrew4594]

Thank you for showing us the next tiny powerful chip and a cute case for it. I agree the 3588 chip is sweet for retro, and the enclosure works nicely with it. I don't mind magnets and pogo pins. Since the Pi shortage, I have taken to using old office machines instead, getting more power for little money. Not as cute, but way more expandable, and there's more room to decorate with paint and stickers. Can't beat the cost on a curbside find, and feels good to recycle old hardware. I would love to see the scalpers who sell Pis for 4x the cost get stuck holding inventory that nobody will buy. But I can support a company designing nice little things.

[@roxysyahbana7657]

Better than orange pi 5?

[@Zadonitz]

Congrats on 1 million subs!!

[@q4a_rus]

Hi. How did you install/run Vulkan driver?

[@kousakasan7882]

My problem with these arm pc's is the cost to performance ratio compared to a used Samsung phone. A broken screen Samsung on ebay for the same price ($270 - $370) would get you much better performance.

[@jierenzheng7670]

Too bad there's no kits or something that can convert our old android phones into an SBC to reduce eWaste though.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@jierenzheng7670 samsung has the dex dock that makes its phone into a small computer. A new dock for S10 is $40 and give you hdmi, 2 usb ports and microsd card reader

[@jierenzheng7670]

@@AndrewTSq yes I am aware, just unfortunately I have no Samsung phones on hand.

[@nukem170]

The price this is listed at, makes it not worthwhile as a every day PC. $360+ USD for 64GB EMMC and 16GB RAM? You can find something else much more capable unless your main concern is the form factor. Even then, a cheap android phone would probably out perform it at smaller form factor and cheaper price.

[@wizzardrincewind9458]

The "RUN" Button looks like the "FUN" Button 😀

[@TheRealAlpha2]

It's so tiny....someone needs to turn this into a handheld.

[@SyahrulHD]

congrats on 1M!

[@scottfranco1962]

This is why we need ITX form boards. Proprietary cases, proprietary power supplies, no ethernet jack, etc. I need an ARM development system, but I am leaning towards a Mac mini M1/M2.

[@djcasl]

Congratis on the 1 million subs keep up the good work

[@SlowPCGaming1]

If the price were right and I had money to spare I could see myself getting one of these so I can play Android games with it. Have you thought of doing an Android Gaming comparison video(s) year over year as a run down of the best units to get?

[@iam.jasonhoward]

Congrats on hitting 1 Million Subscribers!

[@greenjp779]

Can I recommend using a flydigi controller with the flydigi mapper? A lot of their controllers come with gyro, they have several options for less than $100 and let you map buttons to any app, regardless of if it's a game or not. I use mine as a mouse/gamepad when I have my phone docked and displaying on a TV or projector, it's pretty handy for more than just games and has plenty of buttons for different mapping options. Plus they're really cool for PC gaming with rewasd

[@SlapNuts4Life]

I'm kinda shocked that those pogo pins can handle that much bandwidth

[@nyccontrabass3489]

Middle button is function. Love mine.

[@thestud2]

I have one and it is pretty slick. My only issue the ports are so tight together. You need a really small normal HDMI cable.

[@auto117666]

What is the power draw comparison between something like this and the rock5?

[@scottwilliams895]

@8:54 What's the red attachment on the top? (Maybe I missed something)

[@SOF006]

Thats a really nice SBC with the case on, looks really slick. Throw in your pocket and go.

[@skins4thewin]

Sounds like we need just a bit more power to get Dolphin running smoothly.

[@Primalgoo]

Wonder if this would work with Windows on ARM .... Would it be possible to try that out ??

[@numberoneappgames]

By the end of 2023, I am going to own a mini-computer for emulation. :D

[@phrankus2009]

IMO, it is bad practice to refer to the 3588S as a "3588", because a true 3588 is superior to the "S" variant (3588S)

[@gamermixer7953]

the "FUN" button is cool Lol

[@alexandrunistoroiu452]

How it will manage with gimp and blender rendering?

[@panathaninf]

You can get an old nuc that runs circles around this for such prices ... anyway, what brand is the keyboard? Love it

[@jonathanellis6097]

Cool SBC way, way, too expensive for more most people. The dock is also really odd. The case and the board itself look good and professional, the dock looks home made almost.

[@ThatGuy-tu5jl]

For the Android OS, does Playstore need to be added separately, or is it included?

[@hhectorlector]

Grats on your first million!

[@mattdavis9601]

Two questions: 1) Performance-wise, what's this board's equivalent in Snapdragon? Judging by how it's running "GT4" at Laguna Seca which is a track my 845 struggles with, I'm assuming it's stronger than that. 2) If it's not stronger than an SD845, what settings did you use to get it that nice? The "Get Ready to Drive" notification stays up after the race starts when you underclock and according to the stats it says it's running Vulcan, but that's about all I can tell. I've tried both to meh results on the SD845.

[@pingtime]

Nah man it's worst, especially in GPU side, If you just want to emulate console games/do basic task, you better buy used Samsung S10 with busted screen and hook it up to a monitor using USB-C dock (SD855 has better thermal). about why your SD845 equpped device slower than SBC above, well, the first suspect is thermal throttling, second is poor software/kernel implementation by the manufacturer. As you can see, despite using newer 8nm process node, RK3588 need huge heatsink/active cooling to maintan it's performance, and I'm pretty sure your snapdragon 845 phone/tablet only using (at it's best depends on MFG) cooper heatpipe buried inside the phone chasis without an good airflow, and will affect performance under sustained load like long gaming session. The software issue is pretty simple, I have several SD845 phone, Including OP6, Sharp Aquos R2, Poco F1, Samsung S9+ (US model) and arguably "worst performance" international model using Exynos 9810. And yes, some manufacturer like Sharp and Samsung is more conservative about the system scheduler inside the kernel, resulting worst overall performance agains Oneplus 6 and Xiaomi Poco F1. But the magic start when you put custom rom and tweaking some of the settings, my Exynos 9810 equipped model brutally outperform all SD845 on long gaming session thx to better software and thermal handling. The easiest method I reccomend is putting peltier-based phone cooler (which only cost around $10).

[@mattdavis9601]

@@pingtime Thank you. 👍

[@AndrewTSq]

@@pingtime I have a S10 but replaced it with a Samsung A52s which I got for $150 new on sale. The A52s is faster than the S10. Have not tried to hook a external screen up to the a52s. Not sure it supports it, so that could be a downside. But otherwise I guess the a52s could be a good option too.

[@pingtime]

@@AndrewTSq Only samsung S/Note/Fold/Flip series support Dex and USB DP Alt mode dongle starting with S8 and note8 (S10 Lite and Note10 Lite is not supported). I have A50 and A53 which tested and not supported at all when connecting to the dongle. I agree if you want to use it solely as an handheld gaming "console", A5x series is a great opion.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@pingtime ah too bad. Btw my note 3 and note 2 both had dongles with hdmi out and usb hub capabilities so it was earlier than that (just not dex)

[@ledhceb]

One quick question. Can you run unit over the single USB-C on the dock? I have several people with disabilities who would be hard pressed to put a USB-C plug into the port but would really love single cable operation. I do their tech support and if they could swap units by simply removing one from the dock and putting a new one on that would be perfect.

[@terrorpup]

Is the fan quiet? I keep hearing that main issues with Khadas cooling is the fan and how loud they are. The case looks like Zima Board.

[@Z0dex]

Congratulations on the million subscribers ✌️✌️

[@stusorrell721]

God it feels against the law to be this early! 😬

[@demonsty]

early bird gets the worm

[@FiglioBastardo]

🤣

[@wildzeke]

I wish more computers would include a Fun button.

[@frogdog3600]

My ancient Intel 486 computer has a "turbo" button- is that close enough?

[@jierenzheng7670]

I was always hoping for NVMe support on the 3588S but I realised that was a reduced feature to reduce cost. I saw another youtuber showing that even if it had an NVMe connector, it runs at times even slower than a SATA SSD.

[@pingtime]

RK3588S only have 2 maximum PCIe 2.1 lane (operating at 5Gbps / 540MBps each) and cant be bifurcate together to be x2 lane and it's using PHY lane which shared USB 3.0/SATA3 (atleast in the block diagram). meanwhile RK3588 have dedicated 4 lanes PCIe 3.0 (8GBps / 985MBps each) which can be splitted to individual lane or dedicated solely to NVMe drive, which conform full PCIe 3.0 NVMe speed.

[@pingtime]

forgot also mentioning by using shared PHY lane for high IO (like NVMe drive), most of the time RK3588S can't even conform to PCIe 2.1 540MBps x1 bandwidth, especially when you have busy USB drive plugged in to the USB 3.0 Port. From data I collected, my Samsung PM981 NVMe drive achieve 360MBps read and 300MBps write (sequintal) on PCIe 2.1 x1 lane vs 3.3GBps read and 2.9GBps write (sequintal) on dedicaded PCIe 3.0 x4 lane. Shockingly when I put NVMe SSD on USB 3.0 adapter, speed almost reach the PCIe 2.1 x1 bandwidth despite the USB translation overlay. (I'm using rockchip RK3588 dev board and debian buster stable running on eMMC 5.1 module).

[@jierenzheng7670]

@@pingtime yes, I was initially thinking of building one for fun but at this level of performance, I am not sure. Probably wait and see for future models/RISC-V. I was hoping for a Jingpad competitor but guess not.

[@pingtime]

@@jierenzheng7670 your better option will be to buy full fat RK3588 or even full X86 based system (especially at this price point)

[@jierenzheng7670]

@@pingtime yes, that's the pricing issue there. If only we can convert old android phones to SBCs to reduce eWaste but oh well.

[@XSpImmaLion]

5:05 - Fun button 😏

[@anidfan2]

A 2nd hand galaxy S9 for at most half the price ,connected to a monitor in Dex Mode would blow this out of the water

[@dgillies5420]

All the video games I noticed you were NOT using the case on the Edge2 was there an overheating problem at high frame rates?

[@waspoza]

Whats the idle power consumption?

[@ennio5763]

arf, 270$, still too expensive :( Sure, it's great performance for an ARM SBC, but at this price point, I assume one can find some good second-hand PC or NUC with superior performance and specs. Btw, that would be an interesting comparison exercise to make ...

[@rocketpunch12210]

I like the FUN button. 😆

[@anielrivera7977]

i have this device and its a little beast downloaded tge android 12 build to it also mines cames in a case already with that module preinstalled and was just plug and play for me

[@OK-tb8tm]

Looks amazing, nice video 👍. We need a video with egpu.

[@bruhyeet8625]

Will these ever be available on amazon? Ive always wanted to check one out but wanted to order it off amazon

[@goyban]

What's the video on 6:52? Reminds me of Nigel Stanford videos!

[@stephenclark9917]

I love the chill intro.

[@Lemonade197]

Thanks for video and inform us about new and cool technology. I have three questions , that machine can run Android e Windows 11 ... And what's the name of grey keyboard , Could you also try running Saint Seiya Sanctuary PlayStation 2 on it , to see how it's work . Thanks again and wishes the best in life 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾✌🏾😎🇧🇷

[@raphael1186]

1 million subs bro!

[@deterdamel7380]

Sadly, there is no real ARM-competor to Apples new ARM line yet. So I have to wait or just stick to AMD/intel with higher power consumption. And I don`t need a fency formfactor.

[@tech-bore8839]

Bit of a pass given the pricing and the fact that it's already sold out until March 2023.

[@leonardostm5555]

Will you be able to play recent games with the ultra graphics using a graphics card with that Mini PC or can it cause a bottleneck?

[@zgillet]

Max 2.25 GHz will definitely bottleneck.

[@joelee24]

Thanks for the excellent review, I am still using the Pi 4B, the Edge2 seems to be an excellent replacement with much better performance, but unfortunately lacks the Lan port and audio on the base model. On the otherhand I am looking for a ARM based notebook perferrably running on Snapdragon, there are not too many of such things available in the market, wonder if you get any chance to do a review on one of those. I am specially interested to see how it works on Linux, I did not see any information about that or not commonly available.

[@carloscoronel5268]

Can you show how to make a handheld game console using this

[@terrencepowersofficial]

Happy 1 Million Subs!

[@neliotuga]

Would be nice if you mention the prices on the videos.

[@DEDEMYT]

I don't mind if they make this box more bulky. As long all I needed is available to put on this box, it is okay. Really.

[@lovelya72]

I wish they can use removable EMMC like what pine have on their boards.

[@GamesCell]

If it’s consuming less than 5W, then it’s great for hosting a server lol.

[@TheBadFred]

Kinda pricy compared to an Orange Pi 5 with the same SOC RK3588S.

[@TheBadFred]

and you got an additional NVME slot but no WIFI/BT.

[@kevinclaypool6345]

I got mine a few weeks ago, and wanted my wife to be able to run OBS, unfortunately she was unable to get it working through Ubunto 22.04 ... Nice to see kdenlive running in it though... Anyone here get OBS running on it?

[@nightcoder5k]

Nice little computer. Thanks for sharing.

[@natephill7041]

Why buy this and not a small form factor PC for half the price and same or better Performance?

[@ghostsauce3109]

I feel like I seen the khadas edge 2 vid before 😭like deja vu

[@MrLutijen]

What does it mean "full size port"? I am completely confused by the naming. Anyone?

[@demonprincess5634]

first is this better then the ROCK 5 Model B? if it is can it do more then ps2? what about ps3 and switch games?

[@T1m3Band1T]

Hi there, what brand of keyboard is that you're using, thanks!

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Cute form factor, the price for me isn't there yet

[@ddensa]

Does it work well with a Nexdock? would it run only with 1 cable too?

[@WeAreMovieMakers]

The “run” button says fun.

[@alexandrunistoroiu452]

The testing board it's from an old video?

[@featherpony]

That's not a RUN button... it's a FUN button.

[@defizr]

Can you tell me what the keyboard is in this video please?

[@quademasters249]

These days an NVME slot is a requirement for any SBC's I buy. This thing is really cute though.

[@kostasvapo69]

I would like to know if basic igpus like AMD's or Intel's if they can edit videos at 1080p. Is it possible to test them? Some color grading or other effects on every clip and how easy or smooth is the editing or rendering. Comparison of videoe diting programs like premiere pro, davinci resolve , shotcut.

[@nahimgudfam]

It has a fun button

[@rootmanjunior6570]

What is the keyboard ETA Prime is using?

[@binstar8269]

huh, I wonder why none of these arm PCs come with UFS instead of eMMC 🤔

[@ksr2070]

This one can bet 2012 to 2014 avrg PC

[@rometherevenant8749]

Powerful again

[@STEELFOX2000]

Any chance to have like an Snapdragon 8Gen 1 on SBCs?

[@LicenciadoLoui]

What is a SBC? What does the acronym mean?

[@mts7639]

Can ask you question who is better in gaming the Processor in this device or snapdragon 860 in poco x3 pro

[@cyberspacecache]

Does any of these Android boxes from Khadas have sensors like minix boxes?

[@skins4thewin]

Can the CPU and GPU be overclocked? If so that might help to get Dolphin running smooth.

[@arturart9660]

Hi! How about power consumption?

[@herzog6689]

Is Android preinstalled? or Where do get the OS from?