Edge on Tony Khan vs. Triple H & Tribalism in Wrestling

Adam Copeland, fka as Edge in WWE, spoke to Sam Roberts on the NotSam Wrestling Podcast about AEW vs. WWE and the differences between Paul Levesque / Triple H & Tony Khan. Adam also reveals dream matches in All Elite Wrestling and the concept of tribalism in pro wrestling. Edge is one of three guys who have worked with both Tony Khan and Triple H along with Cody Rhodes and CM Punk. Here their strengths, their weakness and the difference between AEW and WWE.
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[@yazr1712]

Hunter has the best of both worlds... the 'fan' aspect as well as the 'business' mind by working with Vince for decades and learning from him.

[@redrick8900]

Then why was Mania super lame?

[@boredbitch666]

mania 40? gtfoh here aew mark just cause it overshadowed whatever aew shit was doing.

[@16Bit-Jafu]

@@redrick8900 u goof mark

[@yazr1712]

@@redrick8900 I mean, everyone is entitled to their opinion - but I think the majority thought it was a solid show, at least Night 2.

[@redrick8900]

@@yazr1712 Based on what?

[@JayBurris100]

Adam Copeland vs Adam Cole my number 1 dream match for Edge in Aew

[@doshi066]

and adam page! we need the 3 adams and do the spiderman meme

[@josereyes1148]

Except only one of those is a star so they are easy to point out.

[@GrimspecteR.]

@@doshi066Cocaine Khan should make a new title for them to fight over called "The Adam Heavyweight Championship"

[@braedenmartin8596]

I need edge vs mjf

[@thatboybear]

Edge and Swerve would be CRAAAAZZZYYY

[@josereyes1148]

It's weird behavior. It's an entertainment show, not a sports team to be loyal to. I preferred wwf over WCW in the Monday night wars but I still watched WCW. I still wanted to see a cool angle when I tuned in. The fans nowadays turned pro wrestling into a political party. You have to be on one side and agree with everything they do or the other.

[@Jmoe803]

It’s so annoying as a fan of both. I only watch the shows and stay away from the discords, bloggers, social media wars etc. I only watch wrestler interviews now to get their pov. “Fans” these days are another breed and it’s not that deep.

[@yannoka5812]

"Only 3 guys worked under Vince, Tony, and Hunter" You forgot Andrade bro

[@lazykahn1979]

This podcast was released three months ago and Andrade didn't return to WWE yet by then.

[@undisputedent.2370]

​@@lazykahn1979 Andrade worked under Trips in NXT

[@ParadiseDB7]

Only tangentially ​@@undisputedent.2370

[@jeichien7743]

Copeland vs Ospraey. Vs Okada.

[@The_HollywoodDream]

Edge went from my hero and the biggest babyface of the ruthless aggression era to this. "Aew can attack or take shots at wwe, 5 times a week every week for 5 years but if wwe takes 1 shot at aew than they are toxic"

[@ThatLebaneseGamer]

This aged like milk after last night's episode lol

[@lylaznboi01]

While I do want to see those matches that Adam Copeland threw out there, would he have just a one-off match on TV or have a storyline to build to that match on TV/PLE? While it's great to have all of these dream matches, it may only go so far with little to no build. While this section of the video is about tribalism, there's a reason why storylines matter and WWE has proved that these last couple of years. Christian Cage had a great storyline going and probably was one of the most memorable in AEW's history so far. CM Punk had some great feuds in AEW and had memorable moments.

[@theREALfearsKLOWNs]

Vince isnt a professional wrestling fan. Hes a showman and a fan of promoting.

[@TheWolfLucifersAngel]

Vince is a criminal

[@UnifiedaxxS]

Vince is the only reason wrestling is big today

[@zemox2534]

Vince is a dirtbag who ran everyone else put of business.

[@moltenriches]

Andrade has also worked under Vince, Tony and Triple H

[@mlong1984]

Give me Adam vs Swiss please

[@sulaimanalruhaily1776]

but the F bomb did happen. Rock has said many times as the final boss. Also Paul Heyman in his HOF speech.

[@jjimenez1475]

You dropped this AC 👑

[@MikeySkywalker]

4:32 I adored the end of this. Lol.

[@lukechalmers71]

Yeah but HHH was one of the boys too and he gets that part of it too. Tony is a fan with a lot of money. Each have their benefits and drawbacks but it’s two different products. At the end of the day, the people who wins are the fans.

[@dominonine]

AEW is just disappointing. They have no direction and no view of long-term success. They saw what made WCW succeed and what made it fail and decided to do the exact opposite of both. It is an interesting experiment but is doomed to fail regardless. Just look at it, Bischoff is not right about much, but he was right when he said that Khan ascribes to Meltzer!s view of pro wrestling. Which is a horrible idea when you already have no clue how to run a wrestling promotion so Khan's idea is to run it exactly how a guy who has never run a wrestling promotion before would run it. He's just letting his EVPs do what they want, and there's a reason they succeeded under Cody Rhodes because Tony Khan wasn't leading, and Cody Rhodes had a vision. He only left when the other EVPs started to push their boneheaded ideas of "an indie with money." There are so many reasons why and indie with money wouldn't work, and let's start with the most obvious one. Indies can't expand, it's inherent in the business structure of an indie that they stay exactly where they are because they never make enough money to expand beyond where they are as they are unable to sign consistently appearing talent and so they can't get exclusivity which is ultimately what's important. Every company needs to have these four things in the most general terms, production, matches, talent, and storylines. TNA is missing the production, AEW is missing the storylines, and WWE was missing the matches and that's why WWE will never be knocked off because they have built themselves to a place where they will survive without one of those for a while until competition comes along and then they will build one of those pillars back up.

[@charlied8284]

AEW isn't episodic television pro wrestling like WWE is. AEW is just an exhibition showcase of random pro wrestling matches. Casual viewers don't care therefore the reason AEW is having trouble with sales.

[@Rungusman69]

he’s called cope for a reason

[@kylesherlock3859]

Can’t say the F word. Then the rocks throwing it out there haha

[@NiyiDaNinja]

I am a tribalist, back when AEW was at its peak before Brawl Out and before HHH took over I was shitting on WWE cause it was awful, nowadays it’s the opposite and it bugs me even more cause I do want to stop watching AEW but they signed 2 of my favorite wrestlers ever in Edge and Mercedes

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

I have a different problem where AEW has dropped off, but WWE dropped off even harder after WrestleMania last year and haven't recovered. The Rumble was good this year, the two last matches of night 1 and most of night 2 of WM this year were great, but I'm just not into WWE as a weekly product. And as night 1 of WM showed, they're still kinda mid even on PLEs. I can get through Dynamite and and AEW PPVs pretty easily, but WWE is not hitting for me yet. I couldn't watch Raw this week, but the clips I saw were fun. Hopefully things keep moving in a better direction. 👍

[@gerardangelo7975]

@@MichaelSheaAudio No one cares buddy

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

@@gerardangelo7975 coincidentally, last night I made the decision to stop consuming wrestling news and partaking in discourse because it's too toxic. Thank you for validating my decision. Wrestling fans really are the worst. 👋

[@abhishekghosh2686]

​@@MichaelSheaAudioAEW was good when it newly started good stories and build-up and all but I think it only lasted about for good 2-3 years before they keep on mentioning WWE in about every 5mins... Constantly hiring WWE wrestlers for big draws.... Current AEW is absolute shit show runs by this names but not Tony khan... Well it's obvious that people will always find difficult to trust WWE but the product is really good for last 1 and a year or so, Vince was killing WWE with his own hands but I'm glad that HHH took over and giving us a good show... I feel bad for Jericho, Renee and few other names

[@gerardangelo7975]

@@MichaelSheaAudio i aint reading all that

[@agentorange1156]

AEW takes shots at WWE every single show, AEW has the toxic fan base of the 2. AEW are the ones who cry when WWE takes 1 shot against them and plays the victim with the "enjoy all wrestling" nonsense. They try soooooo hard to be noticed by WWE and be seen as an equal, but then as soon as WWE says anything, the spoiled brat plays the victim. Tony Khan is that kid who says " I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching" you while holding his finger close to your face & then goes to tell the teacher when you shove him or yell at him for it. He's also a massive hypocrite for talking about Vince & his mistakes, but then hiring Ric Flair the same week & keeping Jericho on tv during his accusations. Tony is the biggest tribalist of all and is honestly the reason why AEW is failing because HE is what is holding them back

[@agentorange1156]

He's more of a hypocrite now for crying about Punk's interview and sends Edge out to end the tribalism talk and put a positive spin on things when it was ONE MAN'S experience working for them, the fans didn't do anything. It was one man's experience, then the very next week was a petty brat who showed the footage, proving EVERYTHING punk said was true. He's self destructing his own company out of being petty, he's everything he went after Eric Bischoff for being. The wrestlers (like Edge) have to look at him as a joke because they get paid the highest they ever have, for 2 days a week, 3 at most, and have full creative freedom over him while having none of the pushback because the company can't draw views or fill seats.

[@YeTism]

Edge isn’t a draw

[@jonpoon3896]

I’d tune into Raw or Smackdown if they had more matches. When was the last time the WWE championship changed hands on tv other than a MITB cash in?

[@TheDas9582]

Hunter is a fan and smart. Tony? Not so much.

[@AlastorCouncil]

Nope it's Adam Punk Cody and William regal

[@killerk3431]

Adam pretends that tribalism only happens from WWE fans when AEW fans are way worse for that

[@juanheredia9297]

Can't be true when edrones troll AEW fan pages 12 hours out of the day. Plus AEW fans enjoy more than one promotion it's no cult like the WWE. Don't forget the hypocrisy either...

[@BloodeeJacob]

I don’t think it’s specific to either promotion. Both are guilty of it. There’s toxic fans in general that refuse to let anyone enjoy one or both.

[@killerk3431]

@@juanheredia9297 the fact that you refer to WWE fans as "E Drones" proves my exact point here

[@homework9102]

@@juanheredia9297cry more you AEW freakazoids are the worst I’ve ever seen

[@quintinlee9224]

​@@juanheredia9297Really now I had to take down my Twitter account because I said Jon moxley and Kenny omega barbed wire exploding match sucked and I was immediately bombarded by Aew fans telling me how much I don't know real wrestling calling me the n-word wwe fan boy and that's the main reason why I don't even care for AEW because of their fans and I know it goes both ways there's toxic fans on WWE side I ain't denying that and just like Sam said tribalism's been around forever it's in football is in basketball

[@Adam-ov5ie]

A wrestling promotion is not there to facilitate the fantasy matches of its talent but to make money off of building toward money matches. AEW will probably have Adam Copeland wrestle Samoa Joe in a few weeks on Dynamite. No angle, no build, just here is a 'dream match' and then it's onto the next one. I understand why Adam Copeland in his 50s likes AEW. You wrestle once a week for a ton of money and you can have 'dream matches'. That the company doesn't make a dime is irrelevant.

[@Doug-N-Porkchop]

Edge knew what he was getting into back in 2020 when he returned to WWE. He knew that he was going to be underutilized, and what happened? He won the Rumble and lost at mania. Then he created the judgment day only to be ejected from it. If he really felt this way about AEW, he should've went there in 2020 instead of wasting what little time in ring he had left

[@timkruse9912]

right lol the irony

[@edenite]

Its easy for us to kick back and say he should have just gone to AEW from the get go. But by RR2020, AEW dynamite was just 4-5 months old. They had barely just started and in terms of talent signing it there weren't major names coming on board. Of the top of my head it was Taz, Brodie Lee, Lance archer and Matt Hardy, probably a few others I'm forgetting. AEW was probably not even on Edge's radar tbh

[@gerardangelo7975]

You are a dork

[@GrimspecteR.]

@@edeniteYou literally missed the only megastar they had and the reason AEW launched the way it did - Chris Jericho.

[@edenite]

@@GrimspecteR. Chris Jericho played a huge part in establishing AEW but that was 2019. I'm not sure if 'hey we got Jericho' was enough to attract big time free agency in just 5 months is my point. It took a few years for the ball to get rolling, where talent looked at AEW as a viable career option

[@rccomics]

All the KZbinrs and podcasters thrive and make money off of tribalsim. It’s the tribe that are a bunch of marks.

[@NNNateMMMate]

Everyone goes to aew to get at wwe and take shots and they know it.

[@juanheredia9297]

Paul Levesque was taking shots at AEW and during Wrestlemania week but that's ok 👍 goes both ways

[@quintinlee9224]

Examples ​@@juanheredia9297

[@jabrondestoroyah]

​​@@juanheredia9297 lmao I love how AEW spent their whole existence taking cringe pot shots at WWE and the moment CM Punk exposes the shit show company suddenly we gotta be all the positivity. Foh. AEW is whack.

[@redrick8900]

@@jabrondestoroyah You lie.

[@jabrondestoroyah]

@@redrick8900 nah you're just a deluded bottom feeder

[@Buckdawg]

It proved he lied about starting the fight no? He went up and attacked Perry, not vice versa... It did however prove Tony is soft as shit.. 😂

[@williamroper5422]

He never claimed Perry put hands on him first. What did he say that was a lie?

[@MikeySkywalker]

This would not happen if it were not for the fans. Some fans think they work for or belong to one promotion or the other. It is mostly WWE marks. But there are AEW marks too. Very few of the later though. Fans need to realize we are all on the same side and two companies is better than one for everyone.

[@tombardsley3081]

Also without AEW, WWE wouldn’t have elevated the product they’ve produced.

[@MikeySkywalker]

@@tombardsley3081 exactly. And CM Punk wouldn’t even be a thing, because he’d have had nowhere to go.

[@tombardsley3081]

@@MikeySkywalker agreed. They've successfully done what TNA was trying to do but they either didn't have the resources financially and poor booking decisions

[@MikeySkywalker]

@@tombardsley3081 Yep.

[@Toonch]

We ain’t being tribalistic with AEW, the reality is, their product legitimately sucks. There is no structure behind any of their matches. & They killed the spirit when TK lost control of his own wrestlers and yes, Punk, along with Omega and the Bucks are all definitely part of that problem too.

[@samallex6484]

Wwe sucks too but fan chants that what make you believe it is awesome. You can't have storylines in bloated roster and promos in 2 hr show. But it is evident wrestling in wwe sucks. At least aew has combat level.

[@gerardangelo7975]

@@samallex6484 Hey guys! Found TK's burner

[@brandonizaguirre2963]

Of course Edge would say this. AEW is his retirement plan, after all 😂

[@joemckim1183]

The company who's doing a worse job of attracting fans is the company always complaining about tribalism in wrestling.

[@juanheredia9297]

Yet the fans who are attracted to the more popular company can't keep away from AEW fan pages 🤔

[@homework9102]

@@juanheredia9297cry

[@jabrondestoroyah]

TNA tried the same victim shit back when they had Hogan. Its always the mfs who can't make any money. At least TNA had ratings.

[@redrick8900]

WWE is the company which is doing a worse job of attracting fans.

[@jabrondestoroyah]

@@redrick8900 they outdraw baby-dublew by forty times are you braindead or delusional

[@mepueblo]

Edge sucks and doesn't draw anything

[@Frank-ui3gh]

What’s odd is that WWE actually feels more like a logical pro wrestling show. AEW feels like a rich getting play with his toys

[@Wubbit_Reacts]

If edge is having fun, I’m all for it. Good for him… unfortunately, that means I don’t watch him, because I’m sorry imo aew sucks.

[@LordHando]

Edge just trying to give the plainest answers in any interview he does. Homie wants to get that TK Mark-money.

[@TheWolfLucifersAngel]

He wear bullet club t-shirts way back in time, he just like wrestling

[@EricNStuff]

Refusing to call him by his government name is cringe

[@boredbitch666]

sexton hardcastle is better.

[@Speedyreedy1218]

No it isn't.

[@gerardangelo7975]

Ask Edge how TK's meat tastes

[@believeintheshield1896]

AEW is the place to be and the show to watch, not saying to not watch WWE. Just AEW is the fresh product which is exciting, fun and cool.

[@RAIZOtheASSASSIN]

Fresh? Where finishers are always kicked out of? HHH era of wwe is the show to watch… aew got stale

[@morlun838]

​@@RAIZOtheASSASSINAnd finishers don't get kicked out of all the time in WWE? LOL, did you watch Drew and Seth?

[@edenite]

@@RAIZOtheASSASSIN my man, Cody vs Roman 2 was just them two spamming their finishers.

[@RAIZOtheASSASSIN]

@@morlun838 ppv sure theres an exception but seeing it every week on aew is ridiculous

[@Morganj27]

​@morlun838 "As long as it happens in WWE, it's a-ok." If it happens in AEW, it's garbage. I can't take some of these folks seriously with this logic

[@UnifiedaxxS]

Wrestling will die without vince

[@cloudxz92]

All do Respect: Please stop to compare Triple H and especially Tony Khan to Vince McMahon. I only talk about the Business Man now, nothing else: Vince McMahon is the biggest Promoter in Wrestling in the HISTORY. Nobody will ever be close to what he has done. Sure the last few Year's where awful and Age got to him. But sorry that Man turned WWE into a World Wide Company. He created Wrestlemania, Royal Rumble, Summerslam, Survivor Series, Raw and Smackdown. He turned John Cena, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Steve Austin, Undertaker and so so many more to Superstars. Vince McMahon is the biggest Promotion Goat Wrestling ever had and pretty sure will have. If Triple H or Khan are up there for 40 Year's, then we can compare them. Now? Ridiculous...

[@shashankkrai4039]

Edge is just so ungrateful for what WWE/ Triple H did for him and let’s not forget the 25th anniversary of Edge.

[@jabrondestoroyah]

Ah yes Edge out here in COPE land again. Whatever 500 something terminally online AEW fans there are are the reason the company is seen as a joke, and will never turn a profit.

[@GalacticChungus]

Have fun supporting a promotion that covered up a serial rapist.

[@chemamorado2104]

U are

[@redrick8900]

It's obvious that the reason you hate on AEW is because you know it's better.

[@jabrondestoroyah]

@@redrick8900 lmao I wouldn't be talking if it wasn't dog shit. It was supposed to be the better alternative but it just sucks ass. Cope and seeth, you bottom feeder.

[@jabrondestoroyah]

@@redrick8900 it's fucking dog shit lmao otherwise no one would have the reason to say anything

[@mastershake6292]

Lmao talk about pot calling the kettle black. AEW weebs are the most incoherent, tribalistic geeks I've ever encountered. Edge is literally just saying the company lines so he can keep getting that easy mark money from his doofus "boss" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Morganj27]

"AEW weebs" You sound so cool don't you? If you're an adult, I feel very sorry for you. If you're a child, you have to get a pass because you do sound like a child.