The Most Common Expensive Commander Decks | EDHRECast 114

[@EDHRECast]

Like last week, we’d like to provide a list of top commanders in this budget category, but first: Our recordings are made several weeks in advance. Our statement about current events can be found here: twitter.com/edhrec/status/1267862342810824705 We hope this episode provides people with a rest stop, but not a distraction. We'll see you back out there. 1 Thrasios, Triton Hero (nonwhite pair) 2 Sliver Queen 3 Kraum, Ludevic's Opus (nongreen pair) 4 Cazur, + Ukkima 5 Teferi, Temporal Archmage 6 Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy 7 Rielle, the Everwise 8 Angus Mackenzie 9 Brallin + Shabraz 10 Circu, Dimir Lobotomist 11 Tana, the Bloodsower (blue pair) 12 Mishra, Artificer Prodigy 13 Najeela, the Blade-Blossom 14 Kess, Dissident Mage 15 Urza, Lord High Artificer 16 Kenrith, the Returned King 17 The First Sliver 18 Arcum Dagsson 19 Tasigur, the Golden Fang 20 Silas Renn, Seeker Adept (nonwhite pair) 21 Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder (blue pair) 22 Breya, Etherium Shaper 23 Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder 24 Sisay, Weatherlight Captain 25 Sliver Overlord

[@johnfogleman4036]

"Artifacts are very blue" Me: screeches in daretti

[@bomdoboy]

screams in Nahiri

[@PedanticTwit]

Re: adding to the cost of an initially built on a budget. I started playing EDH '09, and went wild, building a bunch of decks, all on the cheap. Eventually found Niv-Mizzet in '11 and built it as budget. Budget cards, like $8 for a Wheel Of Fortune. I've been playing that same deck since then, and nine years of improving a deck makes a difference. This is where it is nowadays: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/niv-mizzet-premium-parun/?cat=tcg_avg_price&sort=&cb=1575928413 A lot of the cards were picked up at nowhere near their current values. Like the Timetwister, which I got for $300. Or the Volcanic Island for $70. So it happens.

[@Escapist26]

Started watching courtesy of command zone and really enjoy the show. I think Joey subliminally talked me into creating a golgari deck. Thanks

[@jacobjensen7704]

You all mentioned that Tribal was one of the most common archetypes for the expensive decks, but I don't think the expensive versions of these decks are the tribal versions. Almost all of the tribal commanders you mentioned are cEDH commanders. Edit: I should watch till the end of the video.

[@joshr408]

Tribal can get quite expensive though by its self. I had a slime foot deck that got pretty expensive by the time I built something new. Mostly because of cavern of souls, doubling season, and craterhoof. Was dirt cheap when first built it though.

[@jacobjensen7704]

@@joshr408 that can get expensive, but not to the level that they're talking about here. The tribal versions of these decks tend to be significantly cheaper than the cEDh versions because of several very notable exclusions that drive the price of the deck up.

[@impendio]

There’s no tribal cedh deck, that simply does not exist... Sliver queen is no a cedh deck, just a really expensive casual one.

[@impendio]

Najeela is NOT a tribal deck and runs absolutely zero warrior support cards, it’s just a tempo deck with a bunch of one card autowins lmao. You maybe at most run azra mindblade I guess, but no horns or banners...

[@1996BlueMan]

@@impendio tell that to Marwyn

[@couver2997]

Love Challenge the Stats. Dana always comes through with something obscure and amazing. Never heard of Riftstone Portal despite playing a lot of Selesnya so thank you!

[@wafflehaxxx]

JtMS tends to do really poorly in any non-tempo formats. Which means all of multiplayer. He's honestly really bad, but not only is he bad, people THINK he is good, so they go out of their way to kill it instantly anyway. I'd recommend cutting it from all your EDH decks.

[@ashenrider9402]

@@wafflehaxxx Jace the Riftstone Portal?

[@wafflehaxxx]

@@ashenrider9402 Hmm, must have clicked reply to the wrong comment. Was someone asking about the viability of JtMS in EDH.

[@liamvonalt1674]

YES!! Riftstone portal!! Its a hidden gem in my Chulane deck and I LOVE it... Harrow, Ghost Quarter, and others to help get it in the grave... SO GOOD.

[@Isheian]

The lairs are really good too, a tri-land that enters untapped in exchange for sacking a land.

[@NightOfCrystals]

@@Isheian not even, just bouncing! Love the lairs.

[@ryanweston6182]

I just got back into Magic after being away for 12 yrs. I am so happy to see how well EDH is doing. But man am I overwhelmed with the choices that are out there. I've been focusing on precons mostly. Doing it to have card options as well as a base of sorts to have a direction to go in. I just got the Atraxa precon and I can't believe the amount of hate I've gotten about that deck. My very small play group has multiple decks that can go infinite. Yet they want me to play something else. So I watch shows like this to learn how to focus my decks to pull off the same combos they do but without Atraxa I guess. Lol. Anyways you guys and your website has helped me immensel. Thank you so much for all the great info.

[@slicksamos8334]

I love Riftstone Portal!!! I found it when trawling through every single land in the game

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Magetta the lion a living wrath of god commander Google image the card buddy and Google latulla legendary prophecy card busta

[@ashenrider9402]

@@dragonballtalk8527 This is so fucking hard to read

[@Isheian]

I bought ten mask of avacyn, ten darksteel plate, five darksteel forge for a couple bucks each back when I started. I have a parallel lives and doubling season similarly. I got em cheap cause they looked useful and I could afford them. If you see a good card you’ll use buy a couple.

[@francismarray8880]

When you mention Sliver Queen as a CEDH card, I think you mean The First Sliver. Sliver Queen wouldn't be touched with a 10-foot pole in CEDH. But it is a SLIVER card on a reserve list, and Commander players know what Sliver tribal can be, which can be seen with similar prices in the other lords like Hivelord, Overlord, Legion etc. Slivers are actually one of the few shining examples of how the strength of tribal cards can bring the prices up across the tribal board.

[@charlieaydin1377]

Brilliant, thanks for another great video guys!!

[@nicholasbower17]

As for Tribal vs. Combo... I run The Ur Dragon, obviously dragon tribal. But i love to cheat out Omniscience with some draw engines on board and Warstorm Surge or similar effects. The deck can be kinda both combo and dragon tribal aggro depending on the draws...

[@marc06969]

Love each episode! Would you consider an episode about themes, both on and not on EDHREC?

[@gysahlgemuse7208]

I would like to challenge the stats. As far as I can tell, there are only 9 decks with Brago, King Eternal as the commander who run Manic Scribe. If you get to blink him every turn, you get to mill your opponents reliably. And if you draw an absurd amount of cards, it is easy to get Delirium. So this little guy can do a lot of work and is unlikey the target of a removal spell. If you run Altar of the Brood and go for a mill plan, I would consider including him.

[@EloquentTroll]

I agree with Dana's point about a deck starting budget, and over time it inflates. My Xenagos deck started out at $50, and is now $400. I don't have a dual land in it (yet), but I have every other good RG land to support more colorless utility lands (and to cast Kozilek).

[@noahmurtha4036]

For the next challenge the stats I think you guys should look at Lazotep Plating, because that card is SO good but most people I bring it up to just have never heard of it. I use it in my Ephara deck because it does double duty by giving me a creature to draw a card and to protect my board and I.

[@Isheian]

Riftstone portal.... I want like ten....

[@sages10]

One thing I notice is that when I look at expensive Sliver Queen deck suggestions on both MTG Goldfish and EDHREC is that a LOT of people have uploaded the joke $28,000 Sliver Queen deck that Mitch did on The Commanders Quarters (it's pretty easy to tell which decks these are; they have almost no slivers but are also not combo decks, have no synergy, and are close to thirty grand as the video was a comic attempt to make an expensive and terrible deck). I wonder if this is messing with the numbers a bit? I mean, I'm not surprised that Sliver Queen would be on average expensive and on the high end as Sliver Queen combo decks (and even tribal decks) can get up there quickly but my own Sliver Queen combo deck is fairly highly tuned and doesn't break $2k. I really don't think you would be seeing Sliver Queen as more expensive to build on average as compared to other much more powerful cEDH commanders if it wasn't for all the people re-posting Mitch's deck TBH. Edit: Quickly glancing at decks listed as "Similar" to my Sliver Queen deck submitted on MTG Goldfish on May 30th 2020 I see 8 decks there alone that are just re-posts of Mitch's deck. All over $25k and running cards like Juzam Djinn, Zodiac Dragon, and Thunder Spirit which are just there to boost the decks price as none of them make sense in Sliver Queen (or honestly any deck considering what they are priced at). I feel like this has got to be messing with the EDHREC data to some extent right?

[@willleonard7439]

So for Riftstone Portal it gives lands the ability to tap for white or green, as well as whatever it normally taps for or instead of what it normally taps for?

[@ashenrider9402]

It gives you another option

[@diggerdog9205]

With riftstone portal would you be able to tap a mountain for red still if it was in your graveyard?

[@changhyon92]

yes, riftstone portal does not say instead. it says your land gain that ability. your mountains can tap for r, w, or g mana

[@tryndameregaming7387]

How do I use advanced filtes with specific non-commander cards?

[@patrickbaillargeon7568]

Just as I was looking for something to watch / listen to

[@YourCrazyOverlord]

I wish they'd suggest solutions to the high prices too...

[@NetanelKleinman]

I'm pretty sure the most common theme among those most expensive commanders is CEDH. They're running the best cards no matter the price (or proxys of them) and are focused on power over theme. I'm equally surprised to see Sliver Queen being described as tribal and not combo ... most of the most expensive forms of the decks (confirmed by checking EDHrec for expensive decks) are running few slivers and really are just trying to combo off and create infinite mana, slivers and ETB's/death triggers ...

[@EDHNeoRoyal]

Smothering tithe and field of the dead are 2 cards that I bought for 2$ that got super popular after and I kind of don't want to buy more since I missed them at the right time 😅

[@MyNameHidden123]

I unfortunately didn't get the Smothering Tithe for under $10 but I did buy a few Field of the Dead's for $2 each and was super happy I did

[@impendio]

Najeela and Tazri are not tribal decks in cedh by any mean whatsoever, tazri is a fast combo food chain deck and najeela is a tempo midrange combo deck with a bunch of one card combos with zero warrior payoffs. Slivers is not a cedh deck, it’s pretty terrible and the 0 card combo is like 14 mana aka much worse than Godo and that’s mono red...

[@somersetbassett4580]

Stacks on stacks on stacks. Love how stacks has penetrated the soft bellie of EDH 😃😂😉

[@DuncanEllis]

"Bunny quotes" is a new one on me. Good usage.

[@ashenrider9402]

Hey fellas, looks like you forgot to upload this one to Spotify.

[@gr_graphic4669]

Can you do one about best budget decks

[@koelkast9]

So.... i have maaaaany curled foils....

[@dragonballtalk8527]

Good topic good sized clear images to much you guys on screen all we need is you at beginning saying what up then just beautiful voices and the images

[@jb87rell]

Sliver queen cEDH...wat?

[@Ranis555]

Joey. Buddy. Pal. It's GrEven, not GrAven. Please, please stop.

[@somersetbassett4580]

I tell my playgroup all the time. I bought my duals n S for 5 dollars, they still bitch...