Gishath, Sun's Avatar | Upping the Average

[@josejesuscontrerassalazar9140]

This series is absolutely great and useful. In addition to be a perfect tool for those who are starting into the formant and have limited budget.

[@Bouldest1]

The tour guide impression was wonderful Joey

[@EDHRECast]

DINAHSAWER

[@av110386]

That feeling when you recommend cutting heroic intervention for budget reasons just to find out they're reprinting it.

[@gysahlgemuse7208]

It will climb back up quickly and then this statement stands. It was made for eterninty.

[@stefanjordan4770]

I bought heroic intervention for $2 dollars as a budget replacement for teferis protection. How did it go off since?

[@derektran9404]

@@stefanjordan4770 Because as you said, it's the next best thing to Teferi's protection and it's two mana.

[@jacobkuhni480]

I would like to point out that if we're optimizing for dino density something that can help a little is by only using as many fetch type lands you can afford, instant/sorcery ramp spells, and not mana rocks. Each instant/sorcery one would remove minimum 2 cards from your library vs the mana rock's one, increasing the chance of hitting a dino. This can add up as games with Gishath usually go for a long time due to the amount of board wipes being played. Gishath is a creature value cannon. Opponents have to wipe to survive or single target Gishath. This makes ramp pretty much NEVER a dead draw (Gishath cost is thicc). In addition to this, add some unblockable like Rogue's Passage & Whispersilk Cloak, along with Elixir of Immortality, because if you get to the point where Gishath can't hit any more dinos, you lose.

[@elijahbarfoth1832]

I have personally found the deck thinning isnt as good anymore once Gishath starts attacking since u start putting the misses on the bottom, then it becomes awkward when u draw a fetch or Cultivate type card but u know for a fact the 5 bottom cards are a miss, since u would be randomizing the misses back into the deck. Also elixir might be better(i havent tried it yet) but i currently play Noxious Revival and Bow of Nylea. Revival help put a dino on top for a guaranteed hit in mid game and doesnt cost u mana to do so. Bow of Nylea give Gishath deathtouch which is fantastic on him and also lets u put 4 cards back into ur library after some sweepers. It also make the late game shuffle effects better since u will only be adding dinos usually so fetch start increasing your density again after u have Bow of Nylea going.

[@crispy2802]

I'm usually pretty skeptical of companions, but this actually feels like a place for it where it isn't gimmicky. This pick makes sense.

[@brandoncreek5709]

I agree. Definitely gonna tune up my Gishath deck to include Kaheera. I pulled one a while ago from a promo pack and this is the perfect spot for her

[@Grimlocksmith]

I returned to the comments to point out that Congregation at Dawn, a card I have never heard of, is busted in half with Gishath, Etali, and Lurking Predators, and I am 100% adding it to my Gishath deck. Thanks! You also make a very compelling argument for cutting the humans for Kaheera, which I was considering. Very useful episode.

[@bamit11]

Especially with the new reprint, I feel like Kessig Wolf Run would be amazing in this deck.

[@SorryImissedThat]

"... Just realized I'm high in the frame. Here, let me get off my soapbox." 😆😆😆😆

[@luisgonzalez7781]

Warstorm Surge is an absolute all star in my gishath deck. With so many big power dinosaurs entering the battlefield off of Gishath's trigger, it can dish out tons of damage. And its a real cheap include right now.

[@akirra92]

I play Zero rule with 2 mox's in my Gishath deck. Once popped Gishath off turn 3 for 4 dinos. One was Etali Primal conquer into two deck search cards for a total of 7 creatures. That turn 3 Gishath win will never be forgotten.

[@redwillow1853]

Two cards I find incredibly useful in this deck are Domri, Anarch of Bolus and Urza's Incubator. Domri has a lot of utility. He can generate extra mana and keep your dinos from getting countered. Enables enrage triggers. Lastly he buffs your board. Urza's Incubator is just a solid cost reduction card that replaces Knight of the Stampede real well.

[@Nr4747]

Domri is definitely a solid option, but cost reducers are, unfortunately, not as great in Gishath decks as they would appear to be. That's because you'll often not be able to really use the "extra mana" to double spell since Gishath rarely has enough room for plenty of card draw. And getting Gishath himself out too early can make you too much a target, even in more casual groups. The end result will often be spot removal aimed at him, or a board wipe shortly after you got a huge board full of dinos. None of those things would normally be real concerns, but Gishath actually has quite a few problems with fitting enough dinos into 99 cards already, even without running cost reducers.

[@HexQuesTT]

I have a Gishath deck which is fairly tuned at this point and even still I found some great recs through this, I like to keep it somewhat budget and low salt so I don't use things like The Great Henge, Growing Rites of Itlimoc, Smothering Tithe etc, and so this contained so many good recommendations like Lurking Predators, you've also convinced me to ditch the humans and go full dinos with Kaheera. I'd like to recommend Noxious Revival as often you can use it to bring back a dino that got destroyed earlier using gishath's ability as it brings it back to the top of the deck. I also like to run things like Blood Mist and Berserkers Onslaught to give Gishath Double strike, combine it with an Unleash Fury for an Instant KO on a player with commander damage, I'd also HIGHLY recommend Quartzwood Crasher as it does a TONNE of work for the deck I also rly don't like Burning Suns Avatar, this dck doesn't run a tonne of red mana so it's pretty hard to cast and even when you do after you trigger it's ETB it's just a 6/6 body

[@deidara07]

If you're not playing Aether Flash in a Gishath deck you really should try it. It's great for triggering enrage and keeping small blockers and tokens off the field for when you swing with dino daddy. Side note, if you ARE playing Aether Flash and you're not using the frozen dino art then you're doing it wrong.

[@suikodin2501]

8:10 I started chuckling real early here... But started dying with the 'high in the frame' part. Good stuff sir!

[@GamingCrowz]

Not Of This World is easily one of my favorite additions to my Gishath deck recently. It's a 7 mana colorless counterspell that counters a spell or ability that targets a permanent you control. The best part however is that it's a free cast if the spell or ability targets a creature with 7 or greater power. Gishath is 7 power on his own, which means it's a great way to ensure he gets through with 1 attack even when you're tapping out to cast him!

[@MTGSavage]

I also run this card, it’s definitely awesome tech against spot removal

[@mago9]

This video was great! I was thinking of building a Gishath deck forever, so this just pushed me over the line for doing it. One thing i did differently was to focus a lot more on enrage, running cards like Splintering Wind and Caltrops, these are very budget and consistent ways to trigger enrage on the entire board at least once a turn :)

[@manadad]

Smart changes (and movie references)! I would love to see a short play test or play video clips or something at the end of these videos. Something that gives a flavor of the new deck while demonstrating the changes. Keep up the great work!

[@renemenjivar1141]

Love this breakdown. Gishath was/is my very first Commander so loved seeing a breakdown that also uses Kaheera. I'm still going higher on budget (was able to pick up Mirari's Wake on the cheap) but did not have problems throwing in Kaheera (only took out six cards as well). Appreciate this series! Wonderful work. Life does...uh...find a way!

[@andrewschultz7497]

I absolutely love these series. These videos are without a doubt one of my favorite EDH resources out there. Thank you for such consistently great content

[@jonz2055]

Yay, I absolutely love this series! Awesome video as always!

[@brandoncreek5709]

Super fun and informative video. Gishath was my first commander so I have a soft spot for dinos. I'll definitely be making some serious changes to my list after this video, thanks Joey!

[@Grimlocksmith]

0:12 Archaeological /= Palaeontological

[@jeremybrown4406]

I absolutely love this series! Please make more!!!

[@YTubeCauseImBored]

Gishath is my favourite commander to play. Super swingy, and unless you get a crazy draw and ramp the hell out of everybody you're going to get board wiped after filling the board with dinos. Still a lot of fun though, especially when your army does get to finally turn sideways

[@FelipeSilva-bq7dk]

This series is GREAT! Keep the good job!!! Thanks for the video.

[@Vihilsta]

holy shit! how have I not found this channel before? your content is amazing!

[@shilohartisan]

Nice video! I'll be checking out more of them. Highly recommend Reinforcements for Gishath. I think it's the most underplayed card in Gishath decks. I would also include Reclaim, Noxious Revival, and Colfenors Urn. Duelist Heritage is a really fun card in EDH and is great for Gishath. Strionic Resonator might be worth an include as well. For ramp I think Wild Growth, Utopia Sprawl, Trace of Abundance, and Fertile Ground are super worth their slots. Cacaphodon loves them (except for Trace of Abundance, they dont play well together.) One of my favorite dino synergies is Apex altisaur and Druids Call.

[@Shioriou]

I love this series of videos.

[@cappa3746]

Congratulations joey you have just earned a subscriber job well done👏☺️

[@corrosivecabal]

Prehistoric, because they're dinosaurs AND they came out before the historic mechanic in Dominaria!

[@tserrofz9]

I would love to see more stuff on a classic - Kaalia.

[@Thane627]

Ooo, classic Kaalia would be sweet

[@Otako371]

oh. my. God. Joey, let's talk. the soapbox joke. this is brilliant on a MILLION different levels. you made your joke fourth wall breaking while simultaneously ripping on Wizards while simultaneously creating an inside joke about the diehard fan base (we do after all love our soapbox sermons about wotc ruining the game /s). and while juggling all of that, this joke ALSO give some lighthearted chuckles to people with quick ears who are new to world of magic - it comes off as a lighthearted quip. that was gold and it was my favorite part of this movie hands down.

[@timeattackghost]

When I was first introduced to commander, dinos immediately stood out to me with all of the Aztec/Mayan references and accurately feathered dinos lol My first Commander and I'll always love seeing my friends not realize that I can swarm the field by swinging and trampling everything.

[@dyinganthem]

I JUST rewatched Jurassic Park last night! So many times this video, in the words of Captain America: I understood that reference!

[@PawzBrownMTG]

I've put Zirda onto my Zacama deck as the companion excited to see how it works out. Great video

[@Asmith218]

Gish was the first deck i built and a month back I just upgraded it with Kaheera in mind for fun. I upgraded the landbase cause naya fetches and good lands are cheaper than other color combos. I also cut all the cards i had to proc enrage since i didn't see many times it swung the game. My advice is you need more wipes. with gish you will almost always have a free swing and you bounce back incredibly fast. The only card i miss from my cut creatures is xenagos.

[@eriickson5058]

I run most of the humans you mentioned in this video, only I replaced Forerunner of the Empire with Bramble Sovereign. HIGHLY RECOMMEND BRAMBLE SOVEREIGN! This deck is a creature heavy deck. Running this card is must and is fun!

[@JosephineKyle]

This Joey loves you, Joey. You had me literally laughing out loud in your opener.

[@DraculaRising]

Garruk's uprising seems really good in this deck

[@MellonVegan]

Coming back to this a few months into magic (while I'm building my first commander deck), I just wanted to add that in the months of me playing Explorer on MTGA, I don't remember ever having thunderherd migration but no dinosaur to show for it. Maybe it happened and I forgot but surely at less than 1% of occasions. If that happens, you're not playing enough dinosaurs, lol. That said, there are certainly better versions of the same effect out there.

[@gangrel1234]

I realy Love this series

[@hermodnitter3902]

I like that you mention at 6:52 that it's OK to use some of these cards due to flavor, because I think that's exactly what most people are doing (including me). I built my own Gishath deck to be around a 5 of 10, and several cards are meant to be bad, but insanely cool. I even try to get Fungusaur big... I also use "Deadshot" that is only used in 22 other decks to tap down a big defender and get rid of another lesser defender, to clear the way for Gishath. Triassic Egg is also a "must include" event though it's bad. PS, you guys just had an episode where you discussed "Lotus Bloom". I think that this card is excellent in Gishath builds for getting him out fast.

[@txag007]

Totally missed the opportunity to call it Gishath's Park!!! Great video!

[@walkerpierce5446]

As a yugioh player who's just now trying to learn and get into magic, hearing "That's so pricey!" at a 25 dollar card is really funny.

[@brandonspencer6834]

My gishath deck has alot of extra combat spells. Put enchantments that give haste like fires of yavimaya etc. Then ways to protect your board like teferis protection. Wait for a wipe protect then double swing hitting two or three dinos then swing again. It's fun. It's no cedh deck maybe like a 7.5 8ish power level. But good for people just learning magic. It's my go to deck for beginners to borrow.

[@GamingCrowz]

Wait WHAT, Regal Behemoth is a dinosaur now??? Holy shit that's going straight into the deck

[@spencerbanks1370]

Very entertaining, thank you!

[@maxn7279]

If you’re looking for a board wipe I recommend wakening sun's avatar it’s a bit pricey but it’s worth it

[@Akario3]

OK OK not even 2 minutes in and im laughing my arse off hahaha god bless dude!

[@TheBuildKing]

I demoted Gishath to the 99 and made Atla Palani the commander of my Dino deck. That way you can leave the humans in and still get all the sweet mana cheating goodness.

[@jancukasu]

1:04 Our Zoologist... 6:42 ...is fired. Sorry, Huatli

[@stephenklien]

Sorry, Joey, I need to disagree with you on cutting Forerunner for Kaheera. You can have other tutors in to get you the Forerunner, and the enrage enabling is a combo monster: with the right dino taking damage every turn you can ramp (Ranging Raptors), you can draw cards (Ripjaw Raptor), you can exile opponents' creatures (Trapjaw Tyrant), you can give all your dudes +1/+1 counters (Bellowing Aegisaur), make opponents sac permanents (Sliverclad Ferocidons)... for multiple turns in a row as long as you can protect the Forerunner. That's way too much upside to lose for a minor power buff. Shared Summons lets you tutor up the Forerunner and whatever combo piece you need.

[@Th3N1NjA]

Agree 10000%

[@damnjekyll]

Bruh did you see Pyrohemia in the list? 😂

[@rogerskomp]

Xenagos, god of revels is nuts in Gishath

[@tlamy1992]

I love this series! Cant wait to see if you make an episode about one of my decks, to see what I might be missing out on :)

[@nonamenoelle]

I don t think Kaheera is better than Forerunner in this deck. Also I run Challenger Troll, Garruk's Packleader and God-Eternal Rhonas, it would hurt a little bit to cut any of these. Besides that, I like most of your suggestions :)

[@elijahbarfoth1832]

I have felt Xenagos God of Revels to be too powerful to cut for Kaheera

[@damnjekyll]

@@elijahbarfoth1832 so many other double strike options tho

[@mikeprokop1306]

This series is awesome. Keep it up!

[@leviscott8802]

I really like Yodaro! It’s fun to just have a card that cycles early and then can be cheated out by itself or Gishath

[@elijahbarfoth1832]

Yea the Yidaro and Titanoth rex are good because they are hits that dont get stuck in your hand.

[@phanjohn21]

Can we possibly get an updated list with all the new dinos from recent sets?

[@BeWrong666]

Can we also have the original deck list pre editing

[@gishathosaurus6828]

Oh, I've played this EDH... a bit

[@blakechan-sitprasert6033]

Technically it’s a paleontological marvel. Don’t get me wrong, I love dinosaurs, but I’m an archeology major and they are not the same thing.

[@randym5824]

Great presentation

[@WunDumDorf]

Great video as always, but I noted there is no link to it on EDHREC’s Gishath page. Just a heads up.

[@sarico7827]

I like the hidaway lands and oh Titanic ultimatum.

[@erickignacioferreira8143]

What about Teysa Karlov or OG Teysa next? I would love it.

[@MellonVegan]

0:10 As a palaeontologist, I just have to mention that it's called palaeontology, not archaeology. It's closer to chemistry than history. 😛

[@alexanderforbes1452]

Seems like Gishath kind of needs some Whispersilk Cloak/Rogue's Passage type cards so he can swing in for full damage reliably, nothing worse than casting him and having no good attacks. Two 3/3s double blocking means you've probably just tapped out so you can looked at a land on the top of your library, and your commander died so now it costs two more mana. Whispersilk Cloak at the very least is worth it to give him shroud on top of the main effect, because if people can't kill Gishath with blockers they're going to try to do it with spells. I don't have an EDH Gishath deck but I played a deck with him when he was in standard and there were a lot of games where he didn't get to do his thing because he was killed by a spell or my opponent threw enough creatures in front of him to kill him and deny me the effect. Also I feel like it should have one or two more haste enablers but I always want my creature decks to have haste because I've been blown out too often, so maybe that's just me.

[@williamcarswell3012]

Idk the cost or if it was on the list or even if it can be because of the companion but somberwald sage is really good

[@Tvboy777]

Is giving all your creatures Vigilance for 6 mana really worth it? There's some really good non-dino creatures you can put in the deck to help get Gishath out earlier like Somberwald Sage and Devoted Druid.

[@jasonkorf7700]

Sorry, but it's a Paleontological marvel not Archaeological. Paleontology is the study of ancient life, where as archaeology is the study of human history and prehistory. Other than that this was very useful and gave me some ideas for possible upgrades. I am already running Kaheera as the companion for Gishath and it's definitely a good inclusion in any Dinosaur tribal deck.

[@Circular_Square]

I'd really like to see a Ghave, Guru of Spores upping the average but considering it's a combo deck and Ghave is rarely played anymore I doubt we'll see one.

[@k9commander]

I would like a Ghave saproling deck tech.

[@isaacwilson4684]

Would you consider making a video on using Marath, Will of the Wild as a commander for Dinosaur Tribal? I have a decklist that I've been running for about four years now, and it's routinely a monster since it's so easy to get enrage triggers off (there are a half dozen infinite combos involving Polyraptor as well). I'm curious as to what your thoughts would be!

[@gysahlgemuse7208]

I'm waiting for the stream you kept talking about. Is there no chance to watch it after the fact but before you decide to upload it to youtube? I don't have that much patience.

[@hawaiiandreads7750]

Saw Big Dino Daddy and had to click and like.

[@mattatlas8895]

Jhoira, of the ghitu next? That one would be a challenge. On top of that, no eldrazi!

[@user-if1gh4xl5h]

2 years ago, great henge was _only_ 25$. mirari's wake has tanked to 5$ now. and gishath recently spiked to be on par with zacama. mtgfinance, screw it

[@Kazz1187]

Is it still worth the kaheera companion with the companion rules change

[@cheraxe4ever12345678]

The good ol' times when talismans were "barely a buck"

[@20332424]

If you can find a copy Congregation at dawn is great for Gishath

[@teddy7799wastaken]

Card prices are jacked in the U.S. Like, heroic intervention has no buisness being 18$ when it's 5$ average on cardmarket. It's ridiculous.

[@Neuverfleischer]

Joey, I have a question for you: I recently build my Zilortha, Strength Incarnate/Godzilla, King of Monsters list, and I dearly love it. It'very light on dinos itself, but after watching the video, I'm wondering if you could imagine a build of Gishath were Zilortha/Godzilla could be in the 99 as basically a lord. I know there are many dinos with rather big toughness, but I feel like it should be possible to build the deck in a way where Zilortha/Godzilla could benefit you. What are your thoughts on this?

[@elijahbarfoth1832]

What is your dinosaur density? Also is it better than any dino already in the deck, i personally dont play it but i could see an argument for it depending on the amount of dinos you want.

[@madih.5263]

I strated to build my first edh dino deck i'm new in magic anbd discover this tcg.... Just because i love dinosaur first, and second because they whole game mechanic remember me some spicy effect of some japanese armored dragon tribes deck in duel master. I use the site EDHRC for build my deck from scratch and think about budget play and i'm agreed with some of your choice. Also i love all the joke you make during this video they are all good ^^ I juste need some indication with the compagnion mechanic you recommened. 1) In commander I know if my commander died in the first time i need to add + 2 to their normal cost to resumon him next turn. It is the same for the companion ? 2)Can i had the companion and the commander summoned at the same time or just one of this two ? 3)I don't understand the part about the companion mechanic errata. and i have a lot of question about this. The compagnion said on his errata Pay 3 to put it into your hand from outside of the game) Did this effect mean i don't put my companion on the same zone as my commander at the begging of the match and i need to draw it to play it ? or did i just need to play 3 more to save him from a destruction or cast it from my hand just like ninjutsu card ? Thank you in advance to any magic player who respond at my question and sorry for my bad english from france. "Nous aimons les dinosaures

[@zealcrux]

You did it!

[@SirDavidPaladin]

Dude! Sarkhan's unsealing lol

[@attackkataka6599]

I love this series. Do Yidris I think a commander that can be taken in so many directions would be awesome for you to explain why you prefer it a certain way

[@erickcolon1670]

Anyone else watching this after picking up the Gisath anatomy secret lair?

[@jackdineen8523]

I'd love to see a Breya episode

[@ErasmusHereticus]

Hammond would be proud. Also pTeRoDaCtYlS aReN't DiNoSaUrS. (loved the video keep it up)

[@nik700]

I wish for a dino tribal commander not as linear, something that interacts with your dinos on board, something kinda like a Marading Raptor but legendary.

[@elijahbarfoth1832]

Zacama?

[@nik700]

@@elijahbarfoth1832 Zacama is awesome, but doesn't care abut dinos

[@NazareneNerd]

Anyone else a little bugged with the aduio not synced with his lips 😂

[@snomisdivad]

Is the link to the deck down? I can't seem to link to it.

[@thrash208]

I feel like the dinosaur mana reducers belong. Dinosaurs are costly when it comes to CMC. Getting an extra land on the field is great and all but it only really helps you with one cast. Mana reducers help with multiple casts. Especially with multiple on the field. If I were to replace them it would be with medallions

[@davidf.9921]

Do Atla palani pleaseeeeee!!! 🙏🏻

[@slifer867]

Now do dragons! I love these videos!

[@scarletrobin]

Kaheera is cool but Forerunner of the Legion is too good to pass up in dinos imo

[@BAAWAKnight]

Want to make people terrified of dinos for a turn, while acknowledging that it's not a really budget card? Triumph of the Hordes. Yeah: giant dinos with trample and infect. Oh, you have no idea how much fun that is. Wiping out an entire pod at once....

[@DuncanEllis]

best dino commander is best. I call my Gishath deck Diñata because my opponents are a dinosaur piñata.

[@calebferrier1696]

Needs more double strike

[@fatdog9440]

YUUUUUUP

[@quakins6814]

Yo does no one notice the Cheeto dust on his fingers at 8:40

[@damnjekyll]

Bro his shit is tinted

[@PallinoPinco]

Kalamax or Zaxara pls