(Edited version) D&D YouTubers' 1ST PATHFINDER 2E SESSION - Session 1, "Into the Darkmoon Wood"

[@РусланАляутдинов-ь8э]

The timing of this series sure ended up being brilliant

[@johncostello4565]

For real, reading the OGL is legit, I’m about ready to switch to PF2 now.

[@TabletopTussle]

@John Costello only problem is that PF2E is under the OGL unfortunately.

[@kelly4187]

One of my tables had actually asked me to shift the campaign to pf2e about a year ago after running dnd3.5 for a while, and my other group is currently discussing a switch from 5e to PF for a new campaign. Good. I've always thought PF to be the better game.

[@kelly4187]

@TabletopTussle many other channels have had copyright lawyers on saying that it is very unlikely that WOTC can just revoke the old licence given the wording. Hell there is an even older licence (OGL1.0) that is also still in use from like AD&D days. There's no need to panic just yet... But we still should be keeping an eye on where the fire exits and lifeboats are in case it all starts to sink.

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

@@TabletopTussle My take is that the main effect WOTC intends is not its (weak) legal argument, but a chilling effect on 5e/6e support into the future. We will see if they will do the HUGE mistake of trying to shut down PF2e, which is obviously a different game (and, in court, could be proven to have innovated on 3E and 5E! do they really want that to be what a trial is about!?)

[@domblebuilds]

Fun fact - Filzos voice was just me deciding to stop trying to stay awake (we recorded this at 4am Aussie time)

[@HCSR2]

Oh god I need to clip "What I'm doing is not going to be optimal play." It's the perfect opposite of the "pro gamer move" one.

[@domblebuilds]

I'm about to do what they call a "dumbass decision"

[@S_B-]

As a dnd player of over 2 decades, I bought the pathfinder 2e books a couple days ago in response to this WotC drama. And lo and behold, here are some of my favorite dnd youtubers also exploring pathfinder (namely Chris and colby). Nice to have some familiar faces to learn pathfinder with!

[@JacksonOwex]

Welcome to the Pathfinder! The world of Golarion is AMAZING! It's one of the FEW that I actually WANT to play in to learn about and not just because I'm too lazy to finish enough of my own world to play in! lol They did also just release an errata, it's likely NOT printed in the books you bought as that would probably be too soon! I am also not sure where to find it exactly! Archives of Nethys is probably the best place for the most up to date mechanics! They have all the stuff on their site(and it's perfectly legal) and they update things pretty quickly most of the time!

[@Carter933]

Yep, same here. I bought the books in a bundle when 2e first came out but now it's time to Crackthem open and learn a new system

[@victorl.4795]

I'm about to do the same! Do you guys know if we can create characters sheets online like in d&dbeyond besides roll20 and fantasy grounds, or are the aforementioned ones the go to for online play? Sadly my wife and I moved to another city and we have to play via discord and talespire

[@jeffdietz630]

You've captured Chris and Colby now onto acquiring Kelly and Monty (Dungeon Dudes) to fight the Hasbro/WotC empire. May the P2e be with you.

[@JacksonOwex]

I've never been able to get into the Dungeon Dudes, they are way to monotone for me! They just sound so... bored!

[@guestGoob]

@@JacksonOwex they clearly read off a script, from what I've seen of them, when they go on tangents about their own campaigns they are enthusiastic, that being said, I'm also not a huge fan, just sort of neutral about them

[@malcolmrowe9003]

@@JacksonOwex I quite like them . Never had the impression of them being bored. They are fairly clearly scripted, and they try to get through quite a lot of material at a fair pace and in a fairly regimented structure, so maybe that's where the monotone impression comes from.

[@bittendonut5186]

I was looking forward to this video, especially considering recent negativity with wotc and youtube shenanigans

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Is there news about KZbin?

[@miraclemaker1418]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG KZbin updated its monetization/age restriction criteria for videos retroactively, which caused issues to multiple youtubers one major channel of them being RTGame. Their most recent video talks about the issue

[@bittendonut5186]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG In a nutshell from my somewhat hazy memory, so take it with a grain of salt: 1. you can't say any kind of profanity in the first 8 seconds of the video if you want your video monetized 2. Swear words are not categorised by severety anymore and treated equally (hell and damn are excluded from this) 3. If profanities are used throughout the video it gets demonitized 4. Any kind of drug use including inside video game gets the video demonitized 5. Same with severe violence 6. All videos must abide by the most recent guidelines (I don't think there is any grace period or notice) 7. Setting videos to private doesn't exclude them from being demonitized 8. You can get your monetization on a video back only on your first appeal, any changes to video (by that I mean fixing parts of it which weren't complicit with guidelines) after the first appeal will not result in ad revenue being reinstated even if issues were fixed (unless you reupload it) 9. You don't get reasons for your video being demonitized untill it was reviewed by a human So basically if you didn't guess what's wrong with the video on the first appeal, you can't any earn any money from it ever again unless reuploaded. I believe there were quite a few KZbinrs who were affected by it and spoke about it so finding information shouldn't be too hard, channels which I personally know were affected by it are Hutts (not that small of a KZbinr, but still rather niche in a grand scheme of things) and RTGame (much larger content creator, but also not the biggest fish in the pond).

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

@@bittendonut5186 Ah, when did this happen?

[@bittendonut5186]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I believe a couple of months ago or so, not really sure to be honest, they seemed to start reinforcing those rules on smaller content creators first, so it might've been longer and people just didn't notice it, I haven't heard channels with over million subs getting hit by yellow demonitization symbols untill RTGame about two weeks ago on one of his videos and then on the rest of them 2 days ago, but if this page is up to date, then since November support.google.com/youtube/answer/9725604?hl=en

[@lugh.i]

Thank you so much for this series. Having played with you I know you take your sweet time to prepare. I LOVE seeing TreantMonk playing Pathfinder 2E, I really hope he starts doing builds for PF2E, his 1E builds started an amazing trend of high-quality and well-organized handbooks on classes. I also hope he gets his time to shine with his wizard. Please allow him to read the rules fully for the next sessions, haha!

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Yeah, I opened up the reading list lol. But he didn't have time to read before Session 2. But he's catching on quickly!

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

I was AMAZED by the players and in my 12 years playing TTRPGs, this was the most fun I've had RPing in a session to date! EDIT 4: FULL session at: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6G4qIOjm7KFr5o (The subsequent full sessions of our playthrough are on my Patreon.) EDIT: Series playlist, including of our Session 0! kzbin.info/aero/PL5LfnOlAZRY7jbHCxuALktf-x2HV4o4AE EDIT 2: If you're looking for an demonstration + explanation of combat in PF2, see my Beginner Box demonstration at kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4iwl4SBjc6Wl80 EDIT 3: I'm still editing Session 2, and once that's done will go up to the Patreon for 7-day early access. (The full version for Tier 2+ supporters doesn't need as much work and goes up within days of a session) Session 3 will take place Jan. 10 and it's going swimmingly!

[@Zionswasd]

I wish everyone could have a DM and group this excellent!

[@snazzyfeathers]

Is there a way to watch these unedited? There's so many cuts in this that its difficult to follow along

[@zomarleyonwriting8322]

Chris’ characters literally are the same personality types I always make. 😂😂 Always fun because they’re always like OKAY!!!

[@DaWishard]

I'm over here just giddy to see and hear Colby unveiling his character who is a monk!

[@kyleharder3654]

Wow these guys are great players! What a fun video

[@Nintenglo]

This was great! I love seeing players faces light up when they realize what they can do with the 3-action economy!

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

That was lovely to see!

[@JohahnDiechter]

From a PF2 player: you, sir, are doing great work for our community. A great ambassador to be sure.

[@Ot_a_n]

This was a bummer. I was excited at the premise but didn’t realize we would only get edited versions. It was hard to follow with the choppy cuts. But I get that you want people to visit your patreon and don’t want to be overly negative. Thanks for the content and good luck!

[@SheppiTSRodriguez]

"All my products come with a disclaiimer" xD

[@domblebuilds]

That's called good business

[@jasontodd433]

I just got the Core Rulebook and Beginner Box and I'm excited to run my players through the game. I first found Pathfinder because I was looking for ways to improve martial characters in 5e and I found The Rules Lawyer. I'm so glad I did because it has made getting into Pathfinder a lot easier

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Have you seen my recent "D&D Fighters, But Good" series?

[@jasontodd433]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Yes, I loved seeing how varied the fighters were even at level 1. It reminds me of when a friend and I made two very different fighters in D&D 3.5

[@ErikkuBlade]

Yesss! I’ve been waiting for this - I’m only a few minutes into it - and already having fun

[@Nirrith]

One thing I'd like to add for any current or potential foundry GMs- there's a content pack available on the paizo site that adds tokens and art to all of the creatures in all of the bestiaries automatically in foundry

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Yes! The Bestiary Token Pack.

[@NaskaRudd]

How much does it cost? (:

[@Nirrith]

@@NaskaRudd 60 US

[@RodrigoRanzi]

It's clear that most players have no experience with the system, so things tend to progress a bit slowly as everyone is still trying to understand how everything works, but this is was really fun, and the editing is on point.

[@ZombieApocalypse09]

Very fun! I look forward to further sessions. Hopefully Zappy gets to cast a spell. xD

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Amazing session! I may one day try Pathfinder.

[@TheBrendanMcCoy]

As always, I love the afterglow of a combo first time PF2 and FoundryVTT experience :)

[@johnharrison2086]

I want a "Every +1 Matters" t-shirt

[@drifty9000]

I feel like the inspiration for Filzo was "Gnome Chomsky"

[@matthewjamesmjw4172]

Finally getting around to this now! Seeing my favorite D&D creators get together to play pathfinder is so great! Thanks, Ronald!

[@1047josh]

Watching my first pathfinder actual play and it seems like so much fun!

[@BubbleoniaRising]

I just took a trip to the Wizard's Chest to make a donation to Paizo/buy the core 2E book. Take my sub, sensei.

[@zomarleyonwriting8322]

Filzo is great. Love the concept.

[@spaceman9599]

Supert Community Service. Thank you!

[@johntompkins4707]

So excited to listen to this series.

[@ArticleNoun]

This is exactly what I needed. With all the OGL drama I find myself actually wondering about alternate fantasy RPGs. My interest in Pathfinder has been piqued.

[@miraclemaker1418]

At last!! This will be fun

[@Walthanar]

Lol just in time for ogl1.1 to destroy everything called D&D 👌🏻

[@chadcharest9891]

I love the Canadian Orc Ranger. Or maybe he's aiming for Midwestern. But I'm Canadian so I'm going with that.

[@Cyd_Goblin]

A Foundry guide of your setup would be cool 👀

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

It's a bit old now, but I do have most of my modules explained in 2 videos about Foundry on my channel!

[@skullsquad900]

Awesome we need more if this!

[@ClydapusGotwald]

I love this can’t wait for next session.

[@joshuawinestock9998]

Super keen to see some of my favourite youtubers try pf2e! I love that you're editing these videos to be really tight, but I just wanted to mention that it's very distracting the way the music skips every time there's an edit point. Is there a way to capture the game WITHOUT the music, and add that on in post? I also think it's TOO edited, it feels like I'm missing crucial info sometimes. That said, overall good stuff, and sorry for the negativity!

[@NeoCherrn]

man that is a proper OGL.

[@TheRewyn]

This was excellent!

[@ryanscanlon2151]

I assume you recorded this session before the confirmation of the OGL 1.1, man I sure hope foundry doesn't get screwed over by it

[@JacksonOwex]

Me too! I don't know if it's realizing more about what the "alleged"(still not confirmed so better safe than sorry; though enough people I trust HAVE said it's not good at the very least) "O"GL actually says or if I'm just getting caught up in everyone else's fears but I am worried more and more every day! Though I fix that by trying to talk to my father about this and then I'm just REALLY, REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY angry! He doesn't give two Sugar, Honey, Ice and Tea's about this! Though he'll damn sure cry about what WotC is doing with Magic, and then buy numerous cards regardless! I'm losing the point! I'm worried about the future of the hobby that I love dearly! TTRPGs, mostly D&D, have been a HUGE part of my life for damn near 30 years(I'll be 36 middle of this year; and YES, I HAVE REALLY been playing since I was somewhere between 7 and 8). I have NO idea where I would be without this hobby!

[@Guided-By-Boognish]

Excited for more!

[@gabrielrognon6238]

Any hope to one day get the uncut version of those session? So it's easier to follow

[@Vallinen92]

I've dm'd this adventure, converted from PF1e to 5e. It's a great starter ;)

[@zomarleyonwriting8322]

Just for the YT, you’ll get all my thoughts and opinions: Colby playing a mini because they might actually be decent in PF!!! (Also thanks for the female representation 😂… not that it’s y’all’s fault, don’t know many female YT dnders)

[@slythpaw]

I am tempted to try PF2 but also I am trying to finish designing my own system to yeet yurt with

[@odinulveson9101]

Wholesome! I feel so dirty buying stuff from WotC.. all those.. you know what. the DM guilds Luke said it so well. Instead of wasting dosh on the fatsack moneylards at Hasbro, use the money you would have spent there to help out true OGL, 3rd party creators. Im sure will and WotC, especially Hasbro.. here! 🖕

[@nathankuma1845]

Let's go 2e!

[@Nastara]

Lets gooooo!

[@draggo69]

Nice!

[@zomarleyonwriting8322]

Like the crit rules better.

[@alessandrodellanno948]

When next session?:)

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Still working on the edit! Then goes up for Early Access plus 7 days. Sometimes next week hopefully

[@jbark678]

Of course they're an Alchemist, Ranger, and Monk 🤣

[@TheBrendanMcCoy]

Based on my experience and in this video, it seems the forge is very inconsistent in its availability to various regions. I'm content to continue self-hosting foundry I think, or using a proper VPS.

[@claykilpatrick4855]

What system are you using for characters? Honestly, dndbeyond is the only reason I've stayed with 5e this long, but this seems very on par with it.

[@jamesharrison142]

That was very fun. What adventure are you running?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Crown of the Kobold King!

[@jamesharrison142]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Thank you!

[@ye-roon]

10 min in so far, this is great. Not the biggest fan of Chris's accent for the character, but one can't have everything. I do have a question though, what is the VTT used for this?

[@lilwartank1]

The VTT used was Foundry, it has really good support for PF2e and many other smaller systems (most of the things here are community made, but there are also some PF2e modules that are officially published to use with Foundry as well)

[@Shalakor]

"All Pathfinder asks is a onetime fee, but if you want to watch my full play sessions you'll need to do a subscription to my Patreon." ~The Rules Lawyer Found those two points being so close together at the end of the video rather funny. Not really a true criticism, though, since not sure I'd have the time to watch the full VoDs anyway, so I don't really have a horse in the race.

[@samdoorley6101]

So I'm curious as to what tools you used TRL for your VTT and whatnot. NM, the players talked about it at the end of the video.

[@domblebuilds]

He's got a video on it on his channel somewhere or other

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Yes! I use Foundry VTT and there are 2 videos on my channel where I explain my setup. It can be used for all TTRPG systems as well (for now! another reason to fight for the OGL!)

[@GoddessCynthia]

What do you use for the custom UI? with the party list and hotbar at the bottom? same with the chat log

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

I think the party list is just a list of users logged-in to the Foundry instance, and is part of base Foundry. So is the hotbar. The visual UI is from the Pathfinder UI v3 module

[@GoddessCynthia]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Oh, sorry I meant the Visual aspect, apologies if that wasn't clear

[@Diemental]

5:20 is this a map made in inkarnate? if so does anyone know how to make forests like that?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

It's part of the original module and I think is hand drawn? Someone I think additionally changed the colors a bit

[@Diemental]

aw man, i've been looking for a mapmaking tool that does forests like this map, rather than individual trees like in inkrante for example

[@badmojo0777]

idont think ive ever heard anyone say that Comcast DOESNT SUCK! lol '

[@zomarleyonwriting8322]

Foundry for DND was frustrating to learn. Is it on other VTT?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

If you're asking about D&D, it's supported on many VTTs. If you're asking what this is, this is Foundry

[@jkdubya85]

Question from a noob - what VTT is this? It looks really cool. My only experience is on roll20 and this definitely isn’t that.

[@gabrielrognon6238]

this is foundry. The VTT need the DM to buy a permission but htis is a one time purchase and the players don't have to pay it.

[@malcolmrowe9003]

Which VTT are you using? Is it Foundry? Looks good. Edit: I should have waited until the end. Is the video communication part of Foundry or separate?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Yes!

[@ssfbob456]

Okay, I use Foundry too, what module makes the chat log have that dark parchment look?

[@SaildierSenior]

What program/website are you using for play?

[@RicardoPM777]

👏👏👏

[@queenannsrevenge100]

Apologies in advance, but can someone tell me which VTT was used for these sessions? I couldn’t find the info with a quick search, and was curious, looks neat!

[@neon-lake]

Foundry

[@BeardedDragonite]

How many combat rounds per minute in PF2? Dnd it's 10 so each round is 6 seconds but I've no idea for this

[@YelloDuzzit]

Thats Aunt Viv, B

[@Roi007leaf]

For the love of god set your TAH to show things downwards!! XD XD also, double dice crit rule is broken currently and they are working on a fix (i asked the devs)

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

I really don't know why it defaults upwards. It's annoying!

[@leighwoodall9443]

Wait until you try age of ashes some of the creatures have 20+ to hit.

[@jedbex7070]

Will the full sessions be released to KZbin after a while?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Unfortunately, no. To make my time toward making content sustainable I have to wall it behind Patreon. I hope that the edited videos can still put out the highlights of this very fun campaign!

[@jedbex7070]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I respect that! Thank you for letting me know!

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

After some thought, I think that maybe after this "shortshot" concludes, I'll post the complete Session 1.

[@jedbex7070]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG That would be very fun! I respect any decision you make with it.

[@SeoulExploration]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I would appreciate that greatly. Is there any other support site you use for content? Patreon rubs wrong.....

[@RonWaller]

What is the software being used for the adventure? just curious thanks

[@neon-lake]

Foundry

[@lu_emery]

Do you have your preferred list of FVTT modules, or the ones you used in this campaign, somewhere? I'm seeing an interface a little different than the one I'm used to :P

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

It is a pinned comment on my Discord server, under #vtt-advice. Great community there, btw! discord.com/channels/870925179570753616/943926525688954930/1050144004165079081

[@blkroseduelist]

Do you have a video on the Foundry modules you use?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Yes! Search for my 2 videos on it! (on my channel, or you can type "rules lawyer foundry" on KZbin)

[@undrhil]

Will you be posting the unedited full session as well?

[@mattmcguirk4511]

AFAIK, he's doing the full session to Patreon. He's doing the "semi-highlights" so to speak to KZbin, which I can only imagine the amount of editing that takes...

[@jamesharrison142]

Pity, it's hard to follow - I'd love to watch the full show!

[@tabletopbro]

@@jamesharrison142 I mean for the low low price of $6 a month you can see the full show 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jamesharrison142]

Good point! I probably won't, but that's okay. I hope many people do!

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Unfortunately, no. To make my time toward making content sustainable I have to wall it behind Patreon. I hope that the edited videos can still put out the highlights of this very fun campaign!

[@matthewflanagan7772]

Which virtual table top is this done on?

[@neon-lake]

Foundry i believe

[@vendettarules1]

I love this is happening... screw WotC!

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

Is there an unedited version of this? I want to see the whole thing. I find the edits jarring.

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Unfortunately, I need to keep it behind a paywall at Patreon. To make my time toward making content sustainable I have to this. I hope that the edited videos can still put out the highlights of this very fun campaign! Maybe try listening to the audio only? There isn't much that's important visually on the screen

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG oh OK, thank you for the response!

[@aviongris4233]

What vtt are they using?

[@justinbruce8949]

Why does the recording skip around? This seems to be an isse

[@Nightghaunt]

In the description you give a link to your other channel for extended-form actual plays but this ones not there will you be putting the unedited version there? This was great but it was really chopped up.

[@SwingRipper]

Unedited ver will be patrons only sadly

[@bleutooth1000]

I get having the full episode behind a pay wall… I guess; but the editing makes this story very hard to follow 😢

[@LutieIV]

what VTT is being used?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Foundry VTT

[@cooperton4949]

I really enjoyed the session zero of this series, but the editing here makes it very difficult to follow

[@mj1mj3]

Why is this titled "D&D youtubers first pathfinder session" when over half of the players aren't D&D youtubers?

[@blubblubwhat]

Hahahhahahahahhahshahhshabab🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣the titel saiz it all😅 Wow hasbro has screwd up big time gz paizo on the ps4 mouve over microsoft console landlord aspirations;)

[@hadarc01]

Oh! This is great! (And for some reason this sounds sarcastic to me as I read it back, dont know why, which it's not supposed to be so Im clearing that up here)

[@maxmusterspace6037]

What module is that?

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

This is Foundry VTT

[@maxmusterspace6037]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I meant the adventure module that you were playing. ;)

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

@@maxmusterspace6037 Ah! Crown of the Kobold King

[@maxmusterspace6037]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I don't see this on Foundrys Website. Where do you have the maps from? Paizo?

[@lancevonalden5585]

Hey Rules Lawyer! I am a new viewer, loving this campaign with some players that might not have played before. Hope they like it. I have a question about your Foundry Settings though: The sound effects, animations, the journal that looked like made of old paper, all those extras, do you have a list of the modules that provide them or perhaps a video where you explain your Foundry setting and how to you know "set it all" up? I also liked the animation you showed in another video when someone had the turn and there was a circle around that character. Or the animation with the chains here. The electric arc animation was great, so yeah, please do tell me those modules. Thanks.

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

Check out the 2 Foundry videos on my channel! I think everything you mentioned is covered in them, except the animations which use: Automated Animations, JB2A Animations, PF2e Animations The circle around the character was Turn Marker, but I haven't used it in a while as it kept bugging. Maybe it's fixed?

[@lancevonalden5585]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Much obliged, I will check those videos.

[@frankm6546]

Fun, but as a completely new person to pf2e, the cuts make it very hard to follow.

[@dyslexican32]

If I could suggest some constructive criticism, all the cuts are jarring. the banter at the table is what makes groups fun to watch. Just my two cents. otherwise, the video was fun.

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

I'm a little lighter with the knife in future episodes. Also, this 1st session is now available unedited on my channel!

[@francoiscolin6692]

The issue with PF2E is that it's too balanced to be and feel really organic and interesting.

[@cheesy_87]

Okay, never heard that one before. I'm interested to hear what you mean with that

[@thearcanehunter2736]

@@cheesy_87 I think the idea is that people feel that things they might find interesting aren't as cool as they think it should be because it would be unbalanced. Additionally I've heard the notion that characters feel too similar. Coming from 5e I find the second notion to be somewhat ridiculous, but I guess I can kind of see it. I see those two ideas mostly presented by original Pathfinder players.

[@PlatonicLiquid]

I get that, low level you generally have only 1 or 2 unique things you can do from your class abilities or single class feat (and maybe ancestry feat), but some of them just boil down to "Strike better". The reason people have trouble with 3rd actions is because there's not much to use them on at low level. Outside of getting the enemies flat-footed or Demoralizing, you can't do much else at a high MAP. However, due to the nature of Pathfinder 2 giving you at least new 2 feats/features every level (which are also generally unique and not just upgrades to previous feats), your options quickly stack up and characters begin to feel a lot different. I would say by level 6 every character in the party should feel unique and have the complexity to have to choose what they are doing each turn, and it just gets better the higher level you go. Its not ideal that you can't have that experience starting at level 1 generally, but it does remove the common problem of players feeling less useful than other characters. Everyone has at least a few things they can do that will be equally effective at level 1, and everyone will have at least 1 unique thing they can do over other characters. Also I'd like to point out that "Attack twice then Intimidate in 1 turn" in 5e, Pathfinder, 3.5, ect is actually something that takes a few levels and specialization to get. It just feels more special because not everyone can do it, but in Pf2e everyone can do that at level 1. Insert Sydrome from the Incredibles quote here. In giving everyone more options, it removes that sense of "I have used my system knowledge to get here" that people look for in making interesting characters to play. I guess what I'm saying is its more of an issue of perception than a problem inherent to the system. But I think thats a valid feeling to have.

[@TheRulesLawyerRPG]

I think this is a valid criticism. But it's not really possible to serve two opposing masters in this case. OSR and 3.5/PF1 had a more "simulationist" approach with less concern for balance.

[@thearcanehunter2736]

@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Yeah, I've been looking a lot at ICRPG recently. COMPLETELY opposite design philosophy to Pathfinder, with no focus on balance. It's so interesting to see how they both appeal to different people, and how people like their games. It's kind of impossible to make a game that serves everyone because some playstyles and game philosophies are exclusionary. Personally I like Pathfinder more, but it's all preference.

[@bryankia]

This is unwatchable with all the jumping around. I wish you would show an episode or two in the natural state so we could see if we like it. I wish you nothing but success in all things.

[@Mcnancy1000]

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