Time Stamps: 0:00 - Intro 0:17 - Calling Out Score 0:33 - Placement 0:47 - Nasty Nelson 1:14 - The Moment The Ball Is Served 1:39 - Where Can You Stand on A Serve 2:45 - Test: Is This Legal? 3:13 - Spinning The Ball 4:56 - Hiding The Ball 5:40 - The Volley Serve 5:58 - Upwards Motion 6:48 - Is the Slice Serve Legal? 9:05- Paddle Head Below Wrist 9:51 - Is Tyson McGuffin's Serve Legal? 10:42 - Serve Below Waist 12:11 - The Drop Serve 14:25 - My Recommendation
@edgramza7 ай бұрын
I’ve seen a lot of tutorial Pickleball videos and yours so far is the best I’ve seen! No wasted words to fill content and right to the point with great explanation! Happy I found you keep it up!
@HaraldHarb6 ай бұрын
One of the better videos. Ed has a good manner in his teaching.
@pamcoblyn5310 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the clarity with the explanations and demos. As usual, this video is a quality production. 👏👏👏
@edjupickleball Жыл бұрын
I’m glad you like it! Thanks for the support 🫶
@raydyck40888 ай бұрын
And, sorry I forgot to mention - Great video, clear, concise, clarification!!
@tjradioman4 ай бұрын
I've been doing a spin on the serve just like the girl on the video, and have several people complaining. I think I'll just switch to the drop serve to make everybody happy. Great video, learned a ton!!
@chrisrivo24774 ай бұрын
Hahaha me this morning. Was slicing the serve between the paddle and body. Ace lol
@KuidongLi2 ай бұрын
I have a nasty slice serve but I only do that to people who slice serve me. XD
@rolypoly71437 ай бұрын
You are such a good teacher! I relearned a lot! Thank you for your hard work to make this.
@davidsatz876110 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! so well done! Definitely clarified some of the subtly I was a little foggy on. Thank you!
@TheMegansdad Жыл бұрын
Great synopsis. Enjoyed the common sense distinctions you made between recreational and tourney play calls.
@gregoryhall8414Ай бұрын
This was well worth (and fun) to watch Ed, Great job!!!! Playing in my first tournament Thursday 12 Dec. everything you covered in this vid applies.
@maheshsankaran798111 ай бұрын
Great video. You took a dry topic and made it interesting. You are funny!
@BartMigal3 ай бұрын
it's absolutely possible to move the paddle downwards at the point of contact and still clear the net while serving (illegal, but possible). a slice ground stroke is a perfect example. Same with serve. If the ball comes off the paddle with any underspin, the paddle is moving down at point of contact. if it's coming off the paddle with topspin, it's moving up at point of contact.
@melisamelisa89298 ай бұрын
Wow, this video is super helpful for brushing up on pickleball serving rules! Knowing the ins and outs can really up a game. And hey, from my experience, experimenting with different serves using my Oliver-Sport paddle has been a game-changer.
@innermostbeing6 ай бұрын
Being a newcomer to the game, I was looking for the rules and was glad to find your video with that clear explanation. I subscribed to your channel too!
@scottkouns8578Ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you so much for sharing these rules. Very clear and easy understanding!!
@FFOGHORN3 ай бұрын
I would like to note that PPA rules (professional) differ from USAP rules (recreational/amateur). This causes the various clubs I play at recreationally a ton of confusion. For example, new PPA rules for volley serves forbid the server from throwing the ball up; USAP rules allow throwing the ball up so long as contact is made below the waist. Hope this helps!
@mrsbucky111 ай бұрын
Very well-made video, thank you!
@ShaneFerguson64culfam7art2 ай бұрын
I am new to the sport. Your instruction has helped me. Thanks
@LoneOakWoodworks3 ай бұрын
2:30 on stepping into the court, some more clarification is needed.. You can hit and then step onto the court, but in your example you were fully behind the line at contact. What if you start close to the base line so your body is moving into the court as you contact but before your foot comes down? Contact could be a foot or two into the court, may or may not be an advantage (maybe a surprise backspin short serve), but is it legal?
@calebho242 ай бұрын
I think the key word is 'contact', so your foot or body can hover over the line but as long as there is no contact with the playing surface using either foot or any part of the body, it is legal. Do look it up further as I am saying this based on my understanding of the rules as an English teacher. I'm not a pro player. Haha!
@vijayranesongs2 ай бұрын
Very well explained.. Thanks for your efforts to justify with actions for easy understanding of viewers! 👍🏻
@ChocolateCrip Жыл бұрын
Loving the frequent uploads and tips, your channel is going to grow a lot this year!
@jjmorgan12202 ай бұрын
Ed, great video and love your style of presentation ❤
@joq7028 ай бұрын
I have been experimenting drop vs volley serves lately. I find as long as I am indoors, drop serve for me allows greater slice serves WITH consistency. I can be super aggressive and accurate off the drop serve as much as a volley serve.
@tomski111111 ай бұрын
In a volley serve does the ball need to be released from your hand before the moment of contact? In other words can the ball be hit out of one’s hand?
@glide173410 ай бұрын
amazing explanation for some of us recreational players 👍👍👍👍 nice job
@EduardoPalacio-d3n11 ай бұрын
I love to hit my serve across the top of the service box for winners with a lot of top speen
@FrankRollberg9 ай бұрын
Great explanations on this. Thank you
@rgreeneish4 ай бұрын
I discovered today that I have a really wicked two handed backhand drop serve. According to the rules it seems it would be legal. Drop serve can be a backhand motion. Didn’t see a two handed restriction. I’ve been struggling with powerful volley serves. But I’m not giving up on them.
@kennethsmith80739 ай бұрын
Nice video. As far as the comment on the gal who spins her serves and it being controversial where she is actually making contact on an upward swing or downward swing. Just know you can physically hit a ball over the net with a downward swing. Golfers swing downward at impact and the loft of the club propels the ball upward and forward. Your video even at slow motion did not have the greatest angle to see if the swing was actually going upwards. I do agree that swing was nearly impossible to call whether descending or ascending.
@PinksTech8 ай бұрын
Excellent informative vid.....crazy how many people dont understand the point contact
@usamac41085 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video! Got into a debate with someone about the drop serve rules today12:21.. You make the case that dropping the ball to serve allows for overhead and backhand. Are backhand serves not allowed for a non-drop serve?
@mlum404 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this! You're very clear and concise, and have a good energy about you. Question, after contact, does the follow through matter at all?
@virusehwag2939 ай бұрын
Great video. I do a slice spin serve quite the same as your friend, and have been called a cheat...got some vindication after watching this! Question - is there a rule about ball toss/ release point on a volley serve? Can I drop the ball naturally from any height just like the drop serve as long as I am following the rest of the rules about the paddle position, paddle arc etc.?
@edjupickleball9 ай бұрын
The only rule about the toss is you can’t spin it in your hand :-)
@RJ-ex2ro25 күн бұрын
Can I return the serve in kitchen ? Like I am returning the serve and if it lands in kitchen . Is this fine ? Second question please : if I serve and itt touched the net and still land fine in opponent court: is this serve count or I need to redo the serve like in Tennis?
@daveiwhittle11 ай бұрын
So if I use a drop serve I can slice do nward to I part back or side spin ?
@davidswingle166 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ed, your video really helped to support my slice serve. Great video!!
@edjupickleball Жыл бұрын
I’m glad! Cheers
@sah63739 ай бұрын
Hey Ed, GREAT JOB! Thank you!
@RachidOHАй бұрын
Very informative video but you are not addressing tossing the ball on the volley serve. When reviewing Ben’s and Tyson’ s volley serves on slow mo, i have the feeling that both toss the ball slightly (especially Tyson). Can you please clarify that? Great video, thanks,
@westernmasspickle10 ай бұрын
fantastic content thanks!
@laurapiatchek446511 ай бұрын
Is she tossing the ball in an upward direction before striking the ball?
@jillrobinson67678 ай бұрын
I bounce the ball on my serve. 8:50 When can my feet touch or go over the line
@choski765 ай бұрын
Thanks, Ed! Great job
@daisyy58786 ай бұрын
Hey Ed, great video as usual. Thank you for clarifying for us. I had a question. Say you’re doing a drop serve and the wind blows your drop out of place. Can you drop the ball again ? Thanks.
@grow2be4 ай бұрын
Great explanation! Thanks! But you didn’t mention propelling the ball UP⬆️ on the drop serve! It seems the rule says no propelling it in any direction. Please clarify!
@kirknorman24032 ай бұрын
So I was taught that you can’t toss the ball up at all! I’ve been trying to break my habit of tossing the ball up. So on a volley serve you ?can? As long as the other stipulations are met! I’ve had many people politely correct me on this but on volley serves I see the toss up all the time in videos!
@dontichy89528 ай бұрын
Hey there. I know this was made 3 months ago but quick question- If my forehand is my right side and I am serving on the left, can I hug the middle of the court and go down the middle with the ball on that line? Is there a rule saying my paddle cannot be past the line that runs down the middle of the court (vertically)? I hope this question makes sense!
@ttb15136 ай бұрын
The rule only states where your feet may and may not be on the court. Nothing about where the paddle, ball, contact point or a foot hovering in the air may go. There was confusion about his example at 2:30 because he said in the comments that his serve was supposed to be from the right side, and he hits it to the left half, but is standing to the left. If you don’t watch where he served you might think he was supposed to be serving from the left and his feet were legal but his paddle and contact extending over to the right side were what made it illegal. That is not the example; he was supposed to serve from the right to left in that example.
@matteopasquotti-un8tz10 ай бұрын
What about ball contact in terms of the imaginary centre line. Feet are on the correct side of the line but they drop the ball on the “wrong side” and make contact on the “wrong side” of the centre line. Is that a legal serve?
@flaw3d37 Жыл бұрын
Wait @2:33 your feet were fine. Are you saying contacting being made over the extension of the line is also illegal? I didn’t read that.
@JimboC1957 Жыл бұрын
I also thought the rule only cares where your feet are at the moment of contact. Just re-watched the section and the rule he quotes does only reference where your feet are, so what he said seems incorrect to me.
@edjupickleball Жыл бұрын
At 2:33, my demonstration was: you can’t step over the left side, if you’re the right side server.
@JimboC1957 Жыл бұрын
Ah, didn’t bother to watch where the ball went. Makes sense now that you say it.
@gweehome Жыл бұрын
@@edjupickleballit is quite misleading as nobody will do that 😅
@unholywarrior90079 ай бұрын
A guy was sidearming the aerve today but also jumping both feet off the ground at point of contact he was behind the line but then he would hand both feet in past the line . Pretty sure one foot has to be on the ground when you hit the ball
@jmcc40511 ай бұрын
I agree that the 2024 volley serve rule allows your arm to move in a downward motion as long as when it makes contact with the paddle it is moving in an upward arc.
@antonioalmАй бұрын
I've noticed that in the volley serve a lot of players including professionals, toss the ball a little forward before contact. I'm taking some lessons at my gym and the instructor told me that no toss is allowed and the ball should only be dropped rather than tossed. Is my instructor correct?
@zeejay947011 ай бұрын
Is it legal when my feet are in the correct positions ( keeping my feet not to cross back and side lines) but my hand out of the side line?
@roreddick92358 ай бұрын
Thanks for this, especially the clarification on the volleyed spins, although I'm still skeptical with your friend's serve. Her paddle is going upward, yes, but sideways across her body immediately after contact. I hate this serve in rec play. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Playing with several, er, senior citizens and this one guy who could barely walk was doing your friend's serve to my older, slower partner and me (just returning after knee surgery). After 8 of those serves where neither my partner nor I cared to risk our lives to get them I finally had to say something. The *only* person having fun was him. His partner never got to play and neither did we. That's why there's a 2-bounce rule -- to get the game started and at least get some play in. A serve like that, IMO, should not be allowed. Having one good move -- a serve -- does not make someone a good PB player. Purposefully trying to kill play before it gets started seems, to me, unsportsmanlike.
@charlieytpw8 ай бұрын
She hits my server. I’m partially disabled and the slight paddle spin helps me get driving to the base line.
@chu9678 ай бұрын
Thanks Ed, very helpful.
@michaelbengochea2976Ай бұрын
If you are playing doubles and serving. Do both players have to stand behind the white line?
@UrsinoPro Жыл бұрын
Best serve legality video out there 👍
@GillAdams-c9o2 ай бұрын
Commentators- would it be possible to stick to either surnames or first names…in the last group A mixed doubles constantly changing made it difficult to work out which team you were talking about. Emerson, Gregory, Katie….etc. Many thanks
@MaryDuprie6 ай бұрын
Question, must the arm be still when doing the drop serve. They are not pushing it down, but their arm is in movement when dropping. In other words "static"
@joannalin68 ай бұрын
Ball visibility is the ball while serving it has to be totally released from hand in the air and could be seen by referee and others. Some servers serving the ball without releasing the ball from hand and directly hit the ball and hand connection.
@mra2424 Жыл бұрын
I would have mentioned that a foot (although not able to "make contact" with the court playing surface) may cross the threshold of the baseline as long as it doesn't make contact with the surface...like Tyson.
@richardsaglimbene56739 ай бұрын
Ed said that
@charleskiple11139 ай бұрын
Unless you are playing someone who is 7’ tall, hitting at the waist or below will place the paddle on an upward trajectory to get the ball over the net. The essence of the rule is to remove overhand serves.
@Dad8od11 ай бұрын
6:53 - I feel like we need an entire video on this serve! Is there one??
@aronisink1 Жыл бұрын
Great video.. for the drop serve .. How about jumping as high in the air and releasing the ball, standing on your tip toes, or a mild springee calf raise..
@garyfishhead398011 ай бұрын
on a volley serve, when releasing the ball before paddle cantact. the ball spins a little from leaving the hand, is that legal serve. in the video of the women. she has a small under hand toss- up of the ball. is that legal?
@maheshdevireddyfb7 ай бұрын
What is the latest on Let rule? I was watching Johnson/Waters and Bright/James mixed doubles finals and they did reserve when the serve hit the net and cleared NVZ. Can you please cover that in a video with latest update on this rule.
@edjupickleball7 ай бұрын
For PPA pro division, the re-serve on lets. Everyone else follows normal USAPA rules.
@Bee-of5xz8 ай бұрын
Thank you Ed!
@charlieytpw8 ай бұрын
What about breaking head position above wrist on drop server?
@chrisrivo24774 ай бұрын
Must both feet stay on the ground on serve ? Can you do a little hop??
@greggrimm40711 ай бұрын
While making a volley serve can the ball be “tossed up slightly” before striking the ball? (Ball strike is below waist upward motion)
@charlesmuller12011 ай бұрын
You can toss it up to the moon buddy!
@williamk18003 ай бұрын
Am I allowed to slice the ball on a downward motion if I drop-serve?
@LyndaBillars8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@TheBridget195311 ай бұрын
can we download a copy of the rules from the app store?
@Schultz3654 ай бұрын
Is it legal to serve where both feet are on the center line extended but the ball is hit as volley serve on the OPPOSITE side of the centerline?
@brianbarrett1928 ай бұрын
Hey Ed. I assume tossing the ball very high (to get the ball to bounce high before the moment of contact) on a drop serve is also against the rules?
@martinfield76108 ай бұрын
If I do a prop serve, do I still need to swing my paddle in an upward motion?
@kathymurphy77456 ай бұрын
I do a drop serve. I am worried I'm hitting it not in an upward motion. Can I hit it more sideways. Because I'm dropping it. Later gator.
@BRIANGALTON10 ай бұрын
At about 2.5 minutes. Look at what you called illegal and clarity. The last time I read the Rules it stated that 1 foot had to be behind the baseline indicating that I could have the other foot outside the baseline as long as 1 foot is behind it. Did this rule change?
@jnnx2 ай бұрын
We are just about ready for the 2025 update video!
@khpickleball Жыл бұрын
I need that “ILLEGAL!” sound bite on a button so I can press it during a match. 😂
@robinwatts1235 Жыл бұрын
be sure to look at the table on page 21 of the rulebook. Receivers cannot call illegal serves.
@ttb15136 ай бұрын
Is there a link to "this rulebook"? I didn’t see a link in the description.
@hacdang89225 ай бұрын
can you toss the ball up on a volley serve if there's no spin?
@my2cents58111 ай бұрын
Question: does the person receiving the serve have to stand behind the white line at the back of the court until the ball has been struck by the servers paddle? In other words, the receiver of the serve cannot step on to the court until server’s paddle has hit the ball. Hope this made sense. Thank you for all the help, I have learned so much! ❤️🇨🇦
@edjupickleball11 ай бұрын
The receiver is allowed to stand ANYWHERE. However, strategically, it’s best to stand a couple feet behind the baseline. If your opponent serves DEEP (which good opponents will consistently serve deep), then you have space to return still. If you had been standing inside the court and your opponent served DEEP, then you would have to run backwards and most likely hit a bad return.
@christiansabia850011 ай бұрын
I toss my volley serve quite high with no spin. Catch it quite low for optimal top spin. Assume it’s legal though not addressed. Works for me.
@imperialduckm310 ай бұрын
in a non-officiated matches your serve would illegal as define by rule 4.A.5. But many recreational games does not really enforce the rules as we are all out there to have fun and trying to improve on our own skills. :)
@AlohaHoward-ui7df9 ай бұрын
@@imperialduckm3 4.A.5. says: "The serve shall be made with only one hand releasing the ball." It doesn't say you can't throw the ball up. Drop serve rule 4.A.8.: the ball must not be propelled upward. However the Volley Serve 4.A.8. does not say you can not propel the ball upwards and the chart that show the difference between the two serves indicates that the throwing the ball up on the volley serve is not prohibited.
@ttb15136 ай бұрын
Perhaps a point of confusion is OP saying he "catches it quite low for optimal top spin." I assume he means that he hits (not catches) the ball when the ball is quite low to the ground and swings up to generate optimal top spin. Not that the ball has any spin prior to paddle contact.
@TomGarcia-p1o4 ай бұрын
I believe you are wrong in the 9:28+ minute of your video. The highest point of the paddle head must not be above the highest part of the wrist WHEN the paddle strikes the ball. The paddle must be below the wrist (it can't be 90 degrees or above) at the point of contact.
@MrJameDeans2 ай бұрын
I am not 100% sure on a specific serve type. I understand where the feet have to be for a legal serve. Let's say you are right at the center line, but your feet are planted on the correct side of the center line. As you swing thru and make contact with the ball, that point of ball contact is on the other side of the enter line, but your feet are good. Is this a legal serve?
@jeffdewd649911 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video Ed. What paddle are you using? Is it oversized?
@edjupickleball11 ай бұрын
Luxx control air! (Invikta shape)
@shawnwsl11 ай бұрын
i really need a detailed video for your volley serve . or is there any videos for lefties too hah
@richardsaglimbene56739 ай бұрын
It’s sucks, but you can use a mirror for video.
@patriciadelano54019 ай бұрын
I was told you can not do a drop serve. Is this now permitted and if so revised in 2024?
@mehoynehoy11 ай бұрын
What are the rules on serves hitting the net and either landing in the right area or not.
@imperialduckm310 ай бұрын
During serving if the ball hits the net but clear the NVZ (aka Kitchen) then it's a legal serve. If it lands on the NVZ and/or hits the NVZ line- then it's a fault.
@janetkile16908 ай бұрын
Drop serve info- interesting!
@dr.edgoold409510 ай бұрын
Just curious about on the volley serve can you throw the ball up?
@RichardFKeithАй бұрын
Need to stress that the ball must be released from the hand before contact. Some people hold the ball against the paddle, then slice the paddle across the ball while still held to get lots of spin. Need to see space between the ball and hand before contact is my understanding.
@guittadabe52143 ай бұрын
Does an illegal serve have to be replayed, or does the server lose that serve?
@66Threshold5 ай бұрын
What happens if someone does not call the score? Is it a fault or a re-serve? Or a dead ball to start with therefore a re-serve?
@dianallamas7135 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks YT algorithm for randomly suggesting this because truly this is fantastic! So easy to understand this whole breakdown. The graphics and effects to drive the point (no pun intended) for what is legal and illegal. Definitely sharing with my family and friends. Thank you.
@jinetduran66219 ай бұрын
And what about the net ? Cos I heard it was a "legal" serve but I saw a match on video YT when the serve has been played again after the ball touched the net. Thanks for your answer.
@maheshdevireddyfb7 ай бұрын
Same question I have too. I watched couple of videos and it was recalled re-serve and commentator’s mentioned it is similar to tennis.
@jinetduran66217 ай бұрын
@@maheshdevireddyfb I have the answer now. There are rules from PPA and other rules from MLP !-)
@jameshenderson42055 ай бұрын
What happens if the ball touches the net, but still lands in the serve area? Is this e re-serve like in tennis?
@HalShoenfield-fs3bp11 ай бұрын
Very good video and the rules do apply for 2024 because all the rules were in effect in 2023! Just saying nothing new for 2024.
@h0ckeypuck Жыл бұрын
8:00 ish. Her serve is probably legal as you say but your camera angle makes it difficult to determine conclusively. You really need a view directly along the baseline to clearly see if her paddle is ascending at impact. If people complain, just let it bounce first. You can get just as much or more spin on it and there will be no question.
@MarcGreene-fm4rj7 ай бұрын
Ed, We have some folks that hide the ball in their hand while serving. There is a big debate as to legality of such a serve. I believe the receiver must clearly see the ball dropped from the server. I understand the penalty is a reserve. Can you clear up for us? Thanks for all your good information!
@edjupickleball7 ай бұрын
4.A.6. To summarize: in both officiated and unofficated matches the release of the ball needs to be visible to both referee and receiver. However, there is no penalty fault if the ball isn’t visible. Meaning: in an official tournament, the referee would probably call a re-serve, as you have suggested :)
@skchow11 ай бұрын
Is it legal for a server to drop the ball while walking forward and do a drop serve? Is the forward walk considered propelling the ball forward?
@ttb15136 ай бұрын
"4.A.8.b When releasing the ball, the ball shall not be propelled in any direction or in any manner prior to striking the ball to make the serve." I would think any walking forward must be done in a way that does NOT propel the ball forward.
@mikelb57 ай бұрын
Would have liked to see a drop serve from the paddle