Edmund Fitzgerald: Season Finale...the Conclusion, with Captain Darrell Walton

[@sectorz1019]

Noooo not the season finale 😢 your talks are an absolute joy to watch and listen to. Thank you for the time and energy that you guys have brought us and most importantly keeping the fitz and her crew memory’s alive and never forgotten

[@merlynjohnson1621]

Thank you to captain Darrell yourself and all involved in this incredible series. I hope to see captain Darrell again even if the subject isn't the Fitz.

[@AaronDanieltenni]

You and Captain Walton are such an inspiration for maritime enthusiasts like me. If this is the last video with you two together, give my thanks to Captain Walton!

[@darrellwalton938]

There’s a lot more information out there to be uncovered that we’re working on! Stay tuned and thanks for watching!

[@AaronDanieltenni]

@ an honor, sir! Thank you! Loved your expertise in every video! God Bless!

[@meghanmcintosh135]

​@@darrellwalton938 as a new fan I would love to see more! I like the videos on other maritime tragedies on the Great Lakes and elsewhere too! Maybe some discussions on the more positive sides of Great Lakes shipping history would be cool too? In terms of people losing their love of sailing on the Lakes however: My great great great grandfather was Captain James Hopwood, an English sea captain who sailed the Pacific, mainly ports Taiwan, China, New Zealand and Australia and often all the way back to London too. He later settled in Manistee, MI and after after only a few journeys on the Lakes he was done. He had survived multiple wrecks in the Pacific and Atlantic and he said in a letter that if he "sailed anymore on these Lakes they would become my grave". He operated an inn and tavern in Manistee after leaving the water behind.

[@darrellwalton938]

⁠It would have been nice to meet him! @@meghanmcintosh135

[@brucemoser72]

Always such a pleasure listening to you fellas. Thank you so much for your insightful content. Love it. Happy new year!

[@Friscorockhead]

Just imagine being captain Cooper, making it to safety, then being asked to go back out in that terrible storm by the coast gaurd. You can hear the apprehension in his voice, but he knows what he has to do. Those men are a special group.

[@darrellwalton938]

It’s the “Code of the Sea”!

[@mindycatriz5195]

Season Finale??!! We don’t need no stinking Season Finale !!!😾😾😾 WE WANT YOU TWO 24/7 😸😸😸😻😻😻😸😸😸

[@p.k.5455]

I truly hope there is a NEXT season! You guys are pure magic together! Happy New Year and God Bless to you both and your families!!! Thank you guys for ALL your knowledge and stories!

[@shawndavis8438]

Time to settle in with some Hot Cocoa and enjoy more great stories with Mr. Don and Captain Darrell. Thank you both for all you do. Happy New Year to you both and your loved ones

[@JVance-h6v]

If you guys meet at Packo's, give me a heads up! I'll make the five hour drive for that!! A day with you and Captain Darrell...

[@bigtater29]

So interesting. I've been keeping up with this series. I love stuff like this. Keep it comin.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...we appreciate your support. HMM

[@mattbeese6152]

Keep it going. This was my high school senior project always been interested in this wreck. Thanks for the time and effort you 2 put into this series.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Matt; thanks for your support. HMM

[@350mack]

Wish it was longer 😢😊

[@chuckteverbaugh6798]

This is a sad sore subject in a lot of ways but I do appreciate you guys bringing it to a life the way you do you two are awesome may God bless you

[@susanbelida6981]

You guys are just awesome. Thank you both for all the information and hard work. Lord bless the lost souls on the Fitz and all who went down. Lord bless the families as well.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Susan; we appreciate your support. HMM

[@JVance-h6v]

I have thoroughly enjoyed this whole series! Thank you both for your knowledge and wisdom and your ernest efforts to unmask the truth of this mystery.

[@johnbond7044]

Its a great ride on the badger, A buddy of mine and I took our bikes on the ship serveral times over the years. Its great listening to the both of you.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks John...we appreciate you. HMM

[@gregjohnson902]

Need more videos with Captain Darrell to keep spreading that wisdom.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

God willing and the creeks don't rise...thanks. HMM

[@GTLakeMate]

I work in the Canadian fleet. I rode a ship from Ireland to NY City in February. A winter Atlantic crossing. Had 30 foot seas foot for 10 days. Didn’t get sea sick. I got seasick 3 times and always on Lake Erie during 40 knot blow outs. The confusing seas, is what kills you.

[@redneckfantasyguy1696]

Been a good run of vids. Any man or woman that lost their life to provide us young folks the comforted life we get to live and provide the commodities we need to survive, we stand on the backs of working men like this that gave their live’s to keep America going. To answer an earlier question you two posed to each other, I’m 30 years old and live in North Carolina. I learned of the fitz through Mr lightfoot’s song, but have developed a healthy obsession with all content regarding Great Lakes and ships. Learned about the Daniel J and the Carl D, so to answer your question- us younger folks certainly do care and know of the Big Fitz, and you fellas keep their memories alive with your story telling. I’ve been obsessed with all the vids you guys have done and the respect and care you take to tell the story with respect to those lost. This 30 year old certainly does respect and know of the bad boys that used to roam the Great Lakes!

[@mindycatriz5195]

@@redneckfantasyguy1696 We need more people like you!!

[@ryanmiller883]

Absolutely the BEST on KZbin. Thank you much Don and Darrel.

[@garyshope8378]

You can hear the worry in Bernies voice great video fellers

[@peggycampbell905]

I could listen to the both of you all day long. Fascinating❤️❤️❤️

[@rosemaryangela1825]

Me too

[@elroyelblander6277]

Wish these discussions wouldn't end...hope you both are able to visit a lake freighter and bring us all along...at some point perhaps... thanks for these production's...see ya later HMM👍👍👊🤘

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Elroy; we'll stay on it. HMM

[@TillerG7]

Consider doing a weekly show, boys. As much as we all love your Fitzgerald talks, there’s plenty of wrecks to cover on the Great Lakes to keep the conversations going for years. It would be an absolute hit.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for your vote of confidence. I'll talk to Capt. D about this. HMM

[@firewalkerp]

I could listen to you two for hours. Thank you both for keeping the story alive…

[@greggrauscher34]

A great way to end this series! The friendly chatter and reminiscing between you and Capt. Darrell is so cool.Some food for thought with the Fitz's heading on the bottom and the fact the Chadburn is still in the full ahead position! Loved hearing Capt. Darrell's stories about the Frantz! So cool you have her wheel. Display it with pride! I collect a lot of things but about the only unique ship related items I have are a custom made Frontenac model and a "3000 days without a lost time injury" plaque from another Canadian freighter. Really hope the ARMCO/ American Valor sails again, but as we discussed in another videos comments, it's a long-shot. I'll have to check out Tony Packo's next time I'm in Toledo too! Not sure what's next for your channel, but just any Great Lakes/ maritime content would be, as would any race car driver interviews. Thanks again guys!

[@beberle9641]

Another great video you guys. Brian from Colorado 🤠🦅

[@kathygriffin9465]

Looking forward to more from both of you. Thank you for all both of you do.❤

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Kathy; thanks for your support. HMM

[@davidjames7382]

Glad you both mentioned Tony Packos. Worked there back in the mid 90's. I remember the Cake Walkin Jazz band, Joe the magician. I would go under Front St to the grey building across the street. I would work the restaurant on the weekends and was promoted upstairs to the office area. Met many famous people upstairs ( including all the cast from MASH). I would run to the store for Nancy once a week. She was tough as nails and sweet at certain times. She always let me keep the change. I am part Hungarian and when the Birmingham festival would start and the streets were blocked off, they were the best of times. Miss the hotdogs with chili sauce. And I remember when they used to serve the full dog. Think they still have hotdog specials on Tuesday. We all need to meet there some Tuesday night. Also my parents have found the slides which were taken back in the early 70's. I am hoping i can find pictures of the ships. I am mostly certain they have pictures of the Fitzgerald. Let me know at some point to meet on a Tuesday.

[@robertayers9424]

Great series! Thanks for the efforts! Hopefully we get video of Captain Darrell at November's bell ringing. Gone but not forgotten. May their memories be blessed!

[@MissTerri207]

Many, many thanks to you, Don and Captain Darrell, for passing your knowlege on to us. History is important and it is important to preserve as much as we can for future generations as well as to honor those brave men. I can hardly believe this is the conclusion. You both are so thoughtful and engaging; you fit so well together. I hope we see the two of you together again. There are plenty of stories yet to be told! Many regards and much respect! ❤

[@darrellwalton938]

We are presently following up on several “leads” of shall we say, “people in the know”, that are willing to be interviewed. We will see how that works out. Thanks for watching!

[@brettfavreify]

A shout-out from Soo, Ont. with memories of Monday Nov. 10. Always fun and intriguing to listen to Captain Darrell. Good stuff. Keep the story alive.

[@lonewolf9390]

*Anderson, this is the Fitzgerald. I have a fence rail down, two vents lost or damaged, and a list. I’m checking down. Will you stay by me till I get to Whitefish?* Therein lies the mystery. What actually happened to cause all those issues simultaneously? I really think they may have bottomed out near Caribou Island, and compounded with all the other unrepaired maintenance issues over the last few years she sailed, the Fitzgerald started losing buoyancy, and the waves that went over the Anderson's pilot house later that evening were the ones that ultimately drove the Fitzgerald straight to the bottom of Lake Superior.

[@georgeadams8230]

Thank you for all the episodes, really appreciate it.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks George. HMM

[@KristySherred]

I love your stories, I watch you every it’s, and thank you for your vast knowledge of the Mighty Fitz!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Kristy! HMM

[@stynger_OO7]

2:20 Could the list have come from the load shift? 8:05 Salt of the earth Cpt Darrell ❤ Could listen for hours. Ty HMM and Cpt. Darrell

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Good question. She was fully loaded so worth thinking about. Thanks again...HMM

[@michaelnault5905]

I'm glad these boats all anchor now. I've seen the Blough close up. It's a giant. That it anchored that night is significant. Always good to see you guys!

[@rogerozdarski2935]

Thank you HMM and Captain Darrell. Both of you keep digging on the Fitz.

[@markherrema3837]

Excellent work on this subject boys!

[@bf2945ify]

This is such a great series . Thank you for doing it. Happy New Year to you and Captain Walton.

[@joeljenkins2876]

Hello guys!!! Enjoying this series, been watching for the last several years: it's so sad to sorta realize that, in the end, the need to make that ONE MORE trip to get those FEW MORE dollars (especially, repairs that SHOULD'VE been done but were delayed for somewhat obvious reasons) played a HUGE part in the tragedy of the Fitz. I HOPE the necessary things have been learned, so that this NEVER happens again.

[@RomeroTV]

Thanks Darrell!

[@nw8000]

Lets grab a beer ans settle in for a spell!

[@scriptboy4137]

My script includes hitting the shoals at Caribou. It’s so reaffirming to hear these conversations. Makes me realize I wasn’t off base after all. You and Captain Walton make excellent content together. Greatly enjoying these videos! Robert Rafferty’s daughter told me stories about going to Tony Packos. So cool to see it in video.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks so much for your support. I think we're working from the same script. HMM

[@pixelshark6809]

I love your videos so much. Thank you good sirs. 💙⚓️

[@maxnikolenko2302]

Everytime a new episode comes out, it makes my day a lot better😊

[@IowaBudgetRCBashers]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge capt!!

[@firebrand07]

Love watching this series!

[@briansteinmacher5811]

Another great show. Would love to hear more great lakes freighter stories this year!

[@cqcq374]

Great video! I sure love listening to these interviews. I wish there were more! Thank you for posting these! All the best!

[@Blrtech77]

HMM and Captain Walton, A Hand Salute and a Hearty Thank You For All That You Do! You've Opened My Eyes To A Few Different Things That Could Have Happened On the S.S. Fitzgerald. As You Have Stated Each of the Great Lakes Can Be Brutal In Its Own Way. The Worst Sailing I've Been In, Was In the North Atlantic! You Have Some Nice Memorabilia and A Neat Little Pen/Knife. Hoping the Series Will Continue at a Later Date and Time? Until Then Fair Winds and Following Seas and You Both Be Safe! Randy

[@edwardskerness9226]

Of all things on TY, love Captain Darrell and his insight....thank you!

[@bowslap]

This entire series with yourself and Capt. Walton is like sitting in on a good conversation at a restaurant, only thing missing is food&beverages….. enjoy all of the HMM videos you produce, but none moreso than the Great Lakes maritime-related content and the Edmund Fitzgerald discussions in particular. Interesting that you both discuss the heading that the bow section is on, and how much it varies from the disclaimed heading. This only adds to the distrust….and shoots the bottom out of the official narrative IMHO. Just like the X-Files tagline, “the truth is out there”. Hope to see this continue next “season”, and for you to be able to finally make it up to the Soo and Whitefish Point. Heck, if the times coincide, I’ll spring for lunch/dinner at the Lockview Restaurant. All the best and continued success in 2025!

[@petervankauwenbergh3375]

Tony Packos was mentioned on Mash. I ordered some of their hotdogs and sauce once. I live in Indiana so it was shipped frozen. Very tasty.

[@gjm5959]

Thanks guys. Great job

[@RM.....]

Thank you both. Thoroughly enjoyed the series

[@kimfleury]

Even before Capt. Darrell talked about rushing faster to get off thin ice, my mind went to the day I was driving with my teen daughter behind me in the backseat, driver's side. We were in a stretch where there is just one street that meets that road at a T intersection, and that street happens to be aimed at the setting sun. And it was late in the afternoon, so the sun was low. I was driving a tan colored car, and there was a woman stopped at that intersection waiting on a long line of vehicles heading in both directions. In one of those events where everything goes slow motion, I saw the back of that woman's head as she watched for traffic to clear from her left, which was oncoming traffic to me. And when that traffic cleared, she pulled straight across that lane and stopped. I was wondering what on earth she was doing. Obviously making a left-hand turn, but to stop right in the lane of traffic was bizarre, because there were cars coming from that way. And then her head swung to gauge traffic in my lane, but I could see her eyes look past my little tan car, and there was nobody behind me. I thought about stepping on the brake, but she was on the move already, and I knew she would have slammed into my daughter. So I floored the gas pedal, and she smacked into my wheel well, right behind the rear passenger door. Might have saved my daughter's life by speeding up, definitely saved her from serious injury.

[@oldninjadude1]

Say it ant so 😢 the last episode of the season already.. seriously some of the best content on KZbin. I gotta agree McSorley knew they were in dire trouble and was making a run for it. “Holding on” with everything they had. Right up until the end. You gotta know that he knew and the crew too, why else would anyone want to go “out on deck” in that storm if it wasn’t life or death? I mean something extremely important must have needed their attention to go out on deck and for the captain to say NO!! What were they going to do? What was so important? secure that loose propeller? Or maybe try to fix a hatch cover.. Or maybe launch a lifeboat..??

[@redwingsinca1318]

HNY HMM and CAPT Darrell! I live this series and I’m looking forward to the next series later this year. This year’s discussion brought a new angle that needs to be explored further.

[@ronyantz7349]

Another enjoyable season HMM , Captain Darrell ! Thanks, looking forward to more in the future .

[@tjbennett7281]

This has been a damn fine series that you two have produced. It’s obvious you both take great pride in your work, both past and present, and it shows in these videos. I almost became a mariner myself, sadly now I mostly experience open water at 35,000 ft or on the Kelly Island Ferry.

[@don66hotrod94]

Thanks for your hard work and time invested in these reports. Greatly appreciated.

[@tonilbush9916]

Really enjoyed this season and hope there are more.

[@daveblock4061]

I am a Yacht Captain who grew up on the Lakes and am mostly salty now. Doing another Atlantic crossing in a few weeks. I'd bring my crew in and the insurers were leery of Great Lakes boys. After a few trips they said we could deal with more conditions than the guys who grew up on the oceans. As you said, you have sea room out there, for days if needed. always go to Packo's when transiting.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for your input Dave, especially from an ocean-going point of view. See you at Packos! I made one ocean trip in my career, from Long Beach to Sarasota, through the Panama Canal. HMM

[@samsrailventures1961]

7:15 You are correct! The ferry is a nice, safe way to experience the lake. Way back in June of '79 just after high school, my buddy and I took the Badger from Ludington to Milwaukee. There was a stiff breeze blowing when we boarded. As we cleared the breakwater and turned into the "Big Lake" (as we called it), within a few miles we hit a pretty rough blow. At first, we were having fun out on deck. The wind was so strong, we could hold our coats out like mini sails, and it would push us along the deck. Looking over the bow, we estimated the waves about 10 feet. It was mezmerizing to see how the big ship plowed straight through the waves, steering a straight course for Milwaukee, 6 hours away. After some of that, we began to feel kinda sick, so we got a stateroom and hit the bunks for a few hours!

[@jimmaier3613]

Absolutely fascinating, thx for gathering this information, both of you. I feel like we know more than ever before, this ship never stood a chance. Money money money, it really is the root of all evil.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Jim; we appreciate your support. HMM

[@danielmcfadden1]

Another great video, thank you fellas so much!!

[@charlesbeall2589]

What a class act, God bless Captain!

[@stephaniebutler5310]

Thank you for this info!!!

[@bluerazor7049]

The latest American freighter built on the Great Lakes is the Interlake's Mark W. Barker! She's a smaller, nimble boat compared to her bigger fleet mates so we might see a return of the 600 footers in the future! Also, that is one scary little poker blade/pen!

[@PBGetson]

Happy New Year, gentlemen. I am learning quite a bit from your series, and not just about the EF. Thank you.

[@INKDRAILS]

Amazing work Darrell and yourself are doing in regards to the Fitz. We need to reach out to our governments and see if we can get new updated images and information on the site. I would be very interested in a measurement of long the bow and stern sections are that lay on the bottom. Then take those totals and try to find out how much of the mid section was destroyed. There may be weak spots in the mid sections during its dry docking that caused that much damage. Keep up the great work!

[@ourlifeinwyoming4654]

I’ll never accept hatches not being secured. She bottomed somewhere. If it were my loved ones that perished, I’d want their names cleared.

[@garymckee63]

It's always a quality video. Thanks 👍

[@bobdobalina2931]

You both deserve a hiatus, I'm sure the research on The Fitz can be pretty time consuming, but in all honesty I could listen to you and Capt Darrell discussing any subject. So if it's Fitz related or not I'll definitely be tuning in. But, you've taken us this far down the Edmund Fitzgerald rabbit hole so I'm looking forward to the next discussion. I hope you both have a very happy New Year.

[@MarkHolt-p4w]

I could listen to you guys talk about ingrown toenails. And never lose interest in the conversation.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I am now researching ingrown toenails for a future production...thanks Mark! HMM

[@MarkHolt-p4w]

@HistoryMysteryMan alright!!!

[@MichaelCampin]

Would you consider looking at the case of the MVDerbyshire that sank due to the failure of longitudinal spars

[@Weez412]

Could be multiple issues. I admire you both so much. Great detective work. Much more than hatch covers. Keep up the great work. Can't wait for next one.

[@harrydoku8268]

You gave a whole new twist to The Pen is mightier than the sword. Have a Happy New Year to you both. And thank you for these great informative videos on the Fitz.

[@bowslap]

This entire series with yourself and Capt. Walton is like sitting in on a good conversation at a restaurant, only thing missing is food&beverages….. enjoy all of the HMM videos you produce, but none moreso than the Great Lakes maritime-related content and the Edmund Fitzgerald discussions in particular. Interesting that you both discuss the heading that the bow section is on, and how much it varies from the disclaimed heading. This only adds to the distrust….and shoots the bottom out of the official narrative IMHO. Just like the X-Files tagline, “the truth is out there”. Hope to see this continue next “season”, and for you to be able to finally make it up to the Soo and Whitefish Point. Heck, if the times coincide, I’ll spring for lunch/dinner at the Lockview Restaurant.

[@maegenyoungs2591]

I thought it broke on the surface, but after looking at the wreck, you can see it crushed itself, i think it was on it’s right side and was down by the second wave touching the floor, and the 3rd pushed it up on end and couldn’t support the weight and collapsed creating the devastation to mid section Think about it,

[@FloydForcia]

I was always wondering where he had throttle set at so it was full ahead so he tried to run for it make me wonder if that why it hit so hard when it went to bottom maybe that why the bid section turned to dust if the mate talk to mcsorley it didn't sound like him I'm pretty sure he was nervous and tired

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

That's how we know she didn't just break apart and fall to the bottom. She plowed through the Superior lake bottom for a hundred yards or so before she stopped. In other words, she hit bow first and kept going. Thanks...HMM

[@FloydForcia]

@HistoryMysteryMan must of been rock bed that stop it but that long Wazedigging in at bottom

[@jordanmatte1144]

Always a thumbs 👍 When we were young kids there was a creepy old ship called the SS Aquarama docked on the west end of Windsor. We used to hang out next to her and smoke the devils cabbage lol. She gave off a weird vibe... I think they ended up scrapping it.

[@darrellwalton938]

I got to meet the only captain the”Aquarama” had while on the Great Lakes, Captain Morgan Howel. The stories he told about that ship were just crazy. Maybe Capt. Don and I can do a video of that ship!

[@jordanmatte1144]

@darrellwalton938 That would be awesome! Thanks for the reply Captain Darrel! You are a legend to me. I grew up on Lake St.Clair.. My ship is a 23' center console fishing boat now.. Love the stories just as much as the lakes! Happy New Year!

[@patricknewell9284]

Where was the prop blade replaced on the Fitz just before she went down?

[@darrellwalton938]

Lorain Shipyard.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Darrell...do we know?

[@SmedlyButler-cq5iq]

Great reference to Crocodile Dundee by Capt Darrel 😅

[@brandonaldrich496]

Keep em coming still watching in archbold!!!

[@scottpierce3969]

Conclusion???? There has to be more!!!!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

God willing, you can count on more. Thanks again, Scott. HMM

[@ethantaube2512]

I want to meet Captain Darrell

[@zeikinkorea]

Quite a nice restaurant. It’s not everyday you see a restaurant with a gift shop.

[@krabman22]

Captain, you mention the SS Badger. We rode it on our way to oshkosh and that thing was rockin' and rollin' the way over, and smooth as glass on the way back. It was amazing how bad it was, and this was in july! I was not having a good time 😀

[@darrellwalton938]

But, it gave you an idea of what it’s like to go through what the ships crews go through all the time! Thanks for watching!

[@FloydForcia]

Wonder what the pilot house look like in Fitz i was told it looked like the Williams clay Ford

[@tomsisk6811]

👍 as always !

[@Roadking1956]

I have studied the history of the Fitzgerald since it went down I live in the UP of Michigan and I remember that storm at least you guys are trying to get to the bottom of the sinking but it sure seems like people are trying to keep the truth from coming out saw a video one time from Red Berger I guess he was a cook on the Fitz and he said the ship was in terrible shape I think that’s why the Coast Guard is doing everything they can to put this to bed because that ship should never been cleared to sail

[@darlenejohnson8864]

The damage done to that ship is mind-blowing considering lives lost. It is my personal belief mcsorley should not have made the last run. At any rate we learned a lot. Thanks so much.😊😊😊😊

[@tangolima6462]

Interesting as always. There have been several mentions that paint was found by independent divers on the Six Fathom Shoal, I would be interested in having a first person source and or photograph evidence of this.

[@darrellwalton938]

More people are starting to speak up of their experiences, I think to clear their conscience. Time will tell.

[@OrcaRebuild]

So, yall won’t be covering the Fitz again or no videos for a few weeks/months

[@darrellwalton938]

We are still working on some “leads”, so we’ll see if they pan out. Thanks for watching!

[@jessehorvath8148]

Are you guys going to try and go on the Anderson

[@darrellwalton938]

It would be great if we can! Hopefully we can make that happen!

[@Ideward103]

They bottomed out on the shoals. That broke the fence rails. Ripped a hole in the bottom. Waves that high. And they had a draft. They hit. Those hatch covers weigh a couple of tons. No way they sank it.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I'm with you on this...HMM

[@thevinylrevolution]

Fresh Market carries Packo’s, and that is the ONLY place to get them in North Carolina - was gonna buy some this weekend!! 😂

[@craigkemmerzell5741]

God Bless 😊

[@bradr2142]

I rode the badger. Pulled or pick up on 4 of us. It was a blast. Played bingo they had movies you can rent a sleeping room. Instead of driving around Chicago cut straight across the lake drive to mlps. Coming from Michigan 400.