Ford Flex EcoBoost vs Subaru Outback | Edmunds Face Off | Best Car for a Ski Vacation?

Edmunds Face Off. 2 cars, 2 editors, you decide which 1 wins.
Edmunds.com editors James Riswick and Mike Magrath are asked to pick the best car for a ski trip. James picks the Ford Flex EcoBoost while Mike picks the Subaru Outback. The two drive their cars to Mountain High ski resort in California to help decide which car is better for a ski vacation and identify attributes shoppers should be on the lookout for when buying a car.
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[@troyerjt]

I would and I did pick a Flex!

[@Shyzah]

same here. 100k miles now still going.

[@cxjoker9515]

110K never been repaired 1 time

[@aviram2441]

The guys with the high mileage do you have the ecoboost?

[@jessicallanes303]

I have to agree with several of the Flex lovers, it is a great vehicle. It is stylish, has voice commands for everything, and it is the only vehicle that has the panoramic sunroof, everybody in the car gets to see the sky.

[@Jay-rq5ui]

Exactl

[@cruzmascorro9117]

me and my family just got a 2016 ford flex sel with 20 inch tires and love it and traded in a our ford expedition.

[@Mohammadkwt]

Cruz Mascorro should have waited for the 2018 expedition

[@marisawilliams8472]

We just got a new 2015 Ford Flex. It looks just like yours. We love it! I never noticed them before and am not super crazy about the front and back ends. But, I love the color and it is awesome to drive. Mine has voice control, I can tell it to adjust the temperature! You don't need the back door closing to fast. It is fast enough. That way you and any kids around, have time to get out of the way. It drives really well, it's really quiet and is solid. It has great pick up when you need to ouch the gas. It handles like a dream. I like it better than the Lincoln we traded for it. Can the Subaru say it has dual climate controls? The Flex does. Cup holders galore. I could go n and on. I'm very impressed with it.

[@divinitygamer9106]

pls send a picture of 2015 Ford flex

[@calvinrempel4751]

Yes. The outback has dual zone climate controls.

[@adamhlj]

How is it after a year? Do you still have it?

[@jeremyfahrni529]

I recently purchased a used 2010 SEL with all the options except Navigation and Cargo racks. Its FWD, fits the whole family. Rides like a luxury vehicle. It had only 100,000 MPG on it. I Absolutely LOVE this ride!

[@jennamiller3114]

@@calvinrempel4751 but does it also have rear climate controls?

[@greenbullitt6999]

Flex wins by knockout in the first round

[@DozIT]

Subaru's are AWESOME vehicles, but out of the two I would without hesitation chose the flex; my mom has one and it is basically a luxury car inside with a crap load of features, makes awesome power, and FOR ITS SIZE fuel economy is very reasonable.

[@NavyKings2007]

Mike thinks he's clever about the buttons on the Flex in his "cold morning" scenario, but: A) The Flex has remote start, so your vehicle can be toasty long before your get in B) There are literally dozens of options for smartphone/touchpad-compatable gloves on the market these days. They became commonplace almost as soon as smartphones did. Your "advantage" is easily overcome, in a vehicle that hilariously outclasses the Subaru in tech and performance.

[@gwdiener]

NavyKings2007 Outback also has remote start.

[@goodman33ful]

the remote start come standard on the limited flex and does not on the outback

[@cxjoker9515]

NavyKings2007 you can also use vice control for the climate settings

[@0thers1d3]

Love my Flex.

[@cunty]

and WAYYY outclasses it in price. Subaru: $25K Ford: $30K

[@louisbarningham]

I want the ford flex so much!

[@jeremyfahrni529]

Ford would be stupid to discontinue the Flex. I honestly believe its starting to just now gain ground.

[@maximilianoluera6679]

to paraphrase John Mulaney, I miss the Ford Flex more than certain dead relatives of mine

[@HNYBDGR-kx3bv]

Rip

[@stevec541]

I've owned and currently own both. Flex hands down for ride comfort and noise. None of that including the cool factor. Larger outback, inversely proportional to it's cool factor. Though both excellent cars. Why are people buying explorers? Flex crushes it in every single way.

[@agm5148]

Here is another question. Why does the California Highway Patrol and many other police departments use Explorers instead of a Flex for their vehicles? Underneath I believe they are both the same.

[@Superman-xr1oh]

A gm Because the CHP are cheap motherfuckers?

[@inorite4553]

Durability and ground clearance. Cops need that clearance so they can hop curbs, etc.

[@MommyKhaos]

@@agm5148 hate to wake a 2 year old chain, but cops don't just go to the dealership, buy a car, strap gear, then drive away. They don't even buy an explorer per se, rather they buy the Ford Police Interceptor Utility a very modified version of the Explorer

[@floridamankyle5461]

Even though the Flex is gone, where I live there are THOUSANDS of Flexs on the roads here in Florida, I hope they make a new one based on the RWD platform of the new Explorer, it would definitely sell here.

[@keeganlee98]

That is you own thought the flex is a love, hate. Either you love or you hate it...... Just have one for a week, trust me you will fall in love with it!! The car is great!

[@fordfool420]

It's almost like the flex Is ahead of its time It's so versatile. Also with the eco-boost power It's a lot of fun to drive I mean 0 to 60 in 5.8 -- 6.0 seconds depending on The publication I personally really dig it....

[@tommegalis5930]

Just bought a Ford Flex 2018. It looks great, drives great and I wish they would have kept making them. The coolest vehicle Ford ever built.

[@aayonce4]

Do you feel sometimes the car wants to go straight instead if turning when going like 70+?

[@aayonce4]

Like loads of understeer it's frightening.

[@tommegalis5930]

@@aayonce4 i don't feel that. weird.

[@Xolanidj]

I recently purchased a 2014 Flex SEL. I love it. I don’t do any off-road type of activities, but I needed the cargo space, and the Flex definitely has it. I was looking for a Suburban (or one of the SUVs on that platform), but it was way out of my budget to get a good one. The dealer showed us the Flex, and at first I was like, “Oh hell no”. Then I took it for a test drive, and I said “Oh hell yeah”. It’s not a big badass like the Suburban, but it gets the job done, and is definitely stylish. We chose this over the Explorer.

[@ambientdrummerdad]

I also have both; a 2013 Flex Limited and a 2019 Outback Touring. They both have their pros and cons. As mentioned, the Flex has a way more comfortable, far quieter ride, has more cargo space, a more powerful engine, and is generally a more luxurious interior. The Outback is way better on gas, handles extremely well, is much more fun to drive, is cheaper to own/maintain, and has higher ground clearance. I love them both! I probably love my 1992 Volvo 240 more though!

[@levong2935]

I think a more fair comparison would've been Outback 3.6. I'm just not sure if at the time of the video 6 cylinder Outback was an option. Unfortunately they cut out the 6 and started doing v4 turbo.

[@levong2935]

@the machinist You're right about the boxer type. Doesn't change the fact it's a 4 cylinder turbo engine.

[@Random-Drop]

The tailgate seats bro, they always forget to mention that in most flex reviews.

[@Maximusgat]

You can control climate on the flex with the physical buttons on the steering wheel so you don't need to take off gloves. You pulled over to prove a point which is null

[@dennymcq5543]

2012 Flex Ltd. Best vehicle I've had and I'd buy another in a heartbeat

[@1smokan]

I have the Ford Eco boost fully loaded Titanium, All you have to do is talk to it and it does everything. I have never used the push buttons because there is no need to. Also it has 365 HP and 350TQ. I Love this Flex and so does my Family of 5, this thing kicks ass all over the Subaru, just let me show you how.

[@firefox39693]

couldn't agreee more, people rally do buy Explorers by the boat load while the real best overall and best looking product just sits there

[@m1cajah]

Just realized this video is 10 years old. Good job! Agree those touch screen “buttons” are stupid, but they now make gloves with smartphone touch “stuff” in the fingertips so you can wear your gloves and still work those buttons. But honestly, who wears mittens at 52 degrees? -52, sure, but then I ain’t leaving the house. LOL

[@Jomomma1]

With gloves on, you push the button on the steering wheel in the Flex and tell the computer what temperature you want. I'm driving my second Flex. If you'd waited one year, you could have gotten the higher power engine and the appearance package with the 20 inch wheels. Add three passengers to that Subaru and see how well it climbs mountain roads.

[@keeganlee98]

We have a 2013 Flex AWD. The thing is much cooler than the Explorer and has more room!! Buy the Flex is you are looking!! Amazing Suv!

[@willdumont2516]

The statement about Vermonter's and Subaru's is extremely accurate. We own an Outback and an Impreza Liftback. Buying a Crosstrek for my son who is starting to drive.

[@Erik-ct1kh]

go with the flex, not the granola car ;)

[@edwardlaw797]

Different purpose... One is the unofficial vehicle of Colorado you will see at the trailhead. The other is a comfortable straight line cruiser to haul people and luggage. Flex AWD system should be good enough for the ski mountain parking lot but if it's a blizzard on my way home. I think the choice of vehicle is pretty clear. Also outback has been insurance inst. of hwy safty best pick for 7, 8 years?

[@jeremyfahrni529]

Flex Has 4 stars in absolutely every category across the board in safety.

[@erichn4291]

I have both. The sube is not comfortable for large folk. And you dont need a turbo. The non turbo goes right along handles like a big heavy car. Because it is.

[@ratmtbola]

There are millions and millions of people out there that go on ski vacation, so this does make sense. But I agree, a "Face Off" for the best car for long-distance driving, city driving or heavy bad weather would be very interesting.

[@BrianIreland]

Just got a 2006 Outback with the 6 cylinder engine and love it. It has plenty of power too!

[@superpug666]

living in quebec, canada....i know winter.......we just take our gloves for adjusting the hvac

[@stevelutzke9600]

Love our Flex, they are over priced new. Shame that Ford never took the time or effort to try to improve them. I think they let them go because of the Bronco coming back. Well known name and following with the Bronco. The room in the Flex is great, we hauled tons of stuff in it.

[@shawnmatthews5118]

I own a 2014 Flex and it’s the most versatile vehicle this panel truck loving Sasquatch has ever owned.

[@JPVee511]

I'm late to the party here, but why the Thule carrier on the Flex? With nobody else in the back whatever gear in the Thule could've been hauled inside. Anyway, thanks for the video. I've always respected Subaru cars, but I'm not from Vermont nor am I a lesbian (I am from California so I could still be gay or communist). Poor jokes aside, I got a '13 Flex with Ecoboost and it's been great. Fun to drive and comfortable for everyone, but for an extended vacation/road trip I'll probably have to invest in a Thule myself. With wife and three car-seated kids, only one 3rd-row seat can fold and that's where the strollers lie and one large luggage standing behind the unfolded seat. I stash what I can in the wells. Too bad these are not selling (outside of CA where they're quite common).

[@aca2983]

Interesting I found this comparison, although a bit of an apple/oranges comparison. I'm contemplating ditching an Outback for a Flex. My parents have an Outback. I've had to drive the Outback to take them to dr. appts a lot, and it is not a a good car at all for transporting senior citizens with various disabilities and mobility issues. Long story short, some might need the ride height, but there is a difference between seat height and ride height. The relatively high floor of the Outback makes it difficult for them to use, and from the times I've ridden in a Flex, I think it would be easier for them to step in and out of, whereas now the Outback routine is "sit & swivel". The Flex boxy design also seems better. The steep rake of the Outback windscreen makes in/egress awkward. Rear door size and leg room is another story. The Outback doors, angles, and intrusion of the wheel well is a challenge for one partially paralyzed parent to get to the rear seat, and the other one simply won't fit. From a passenger standpoint, I think the Flex would work better to get them around, although the thing admittedly is hefty and would take up a lot of space in the garage, and the big doors might be a challenge inside the garage. On the other hand, I have grown to completely hate the Outback driving experience. Parents live on a poor rural road, and the Outback just pitches and bobs all over the place. Even on smooth roads, it seems to be constantly jiggling around. The drone of the 2.5 is annoying, and the CVT transmission is dreaful. The interior plastics in the 2.5 base model are really econo-class... worse than a lot of subcompact cars costing a lot less. While I personally never cared much for the Outback, I do understand why they would be popular. Its just I think for our family situation a Flex would be a much better car. Trying to gradually convince the parents to let go of the Outback because it just doesn't suit their needs, and they're not driving it much anyway.

[@davidcase9848]

Just bought a 2019 Flex Limited. Havent driven it much yet but so far I really like it. Only negative is lack of storage space.

[@TurboMitsubishi]

Flex hands down to me, but I see the selling point of the Outback. Give it a turbo Subaru and we will talk.

[@Shyzah]

we have the ecoboost flex... too bad no turbo noises tho. Could use an exhaust, its too quite...

[@q2subzero]

welp... the 2020 outlback now has an XT model. there's your turbo. :D

[@robertanthony5745]

The Subaru turbo will work to hard, will not last as a friend found out , only got 78k out of the car.@@q2subzero

[@Tocino_Life]

-> Flex Ecoboost. The one, the only.

[@t.w.3]

The Ford Flex despite its flaws with the touchscreen HVAC controls. They don't sell here where I live, but the one's I've seen look really cool and are very spacious. The EcoBoost engine really fits a car like this.

[@googleuser2170]

A few corrections; Flex has 365 hp not 350 and voice commands for HVAC so when you are wearing gloves you dont need to touch the controls.

[@plainlybasic2300]

They forgot to mention that the subaru is mostly likely going to have the best re-sale value, not to mention, the AWD on the ford flex is really only part time. They also forgot to mention that you can get a 6-cylinder boxer for the outback if you want it.

[@almonpoole]

I own a 2013 ford Flex Limited and all you need to do on a cold morning is use the remote start. The climate control comes on automatically as do the heated seats. By the time you get in the vehicle you don't need gloves on because it's already warm.

[@alexjurek1105]

Live in Minnesota. Cold ass winters. Never have driven with my gloves on - at least not since my 1984 Corolla stopped producing heat for the cabin...

[@ranman4481]

Just take off the mitten, sheesh. Both good cars. Flex is bigger. I like bigger, my wife would prefer smaller vehicle in snow. Power difference is huge! ...but if the Flex Ecoboost was one choice, it's comparison should have been the Outback 3.6R, not the 2.5i, which would also have been closer in cost as well as power. I am on my 2nd Flex, which is the Ecoboost, and I love it. I loved my former Flex as well, but it was FWD, not AWD, and didn't have the turbo. Interestingly, at 287hp, the FWD Flex was no slouch either, and it was also fun to drive. Love, love LOVE the Flex. I also own a Charger SRT as well as two Escalades. The Flex Ecoboost is almost a cross between both, and so I can now seriously think about selling all my other cars thanks to the versatility and power of the Flex Ecoboost. If you're thinking about Suv/Wagon with power, take a look at the Flex Ecoboost. Most have all the bells and whistles, comfort, leg room, power, and mine even has a mini fridge between the backseat captain chairs. It's like flying 1st class.

[@Zecrid.]

Flex wins for not being a crossover

[@jefftackett282]

I can use the steering wheel voice commands like heat nav music ect

[@seancaswell4310]

Why are you comparing the base model Subaru with the fully pimped out Flex? You're comparing apples to oranges.

[@superpug666]

Sean Caswell wasnt the top of the line...the rear seats werent ajtomatic

[@seancaswell4310]

Well they could have at least used the 6 cylinder outback. That would have changed some things i bet.

[@superpug666]

Sean Caswell match up dont always plan peefectly. Depends on what the manifacturer sends.

[@nialljamesbuckley]

+superpug666 come on man...the complaint is valid. The ecoboost alone adds about 8k to the price. that's a base model Forester, top model Flex. Just because it may not have all the "packages" doesn't mean it's not the top of the line

[@jamsheeddevotee7588]

apples can be compared to oranges. Hence the word compare

[@yippie6862]

Isn't the difference in price between the two like $15,000? Why wasn't that mentioned?

[@toddbrick]

touching the heater isnt an issue with the remote start and my temp settings!

[@davva360]

I would pick the Flex. I think they are better looking, more practical and better to drive than the Outback. I like the Outback too but most of them are pretty dull with the 2.5 engine and CVT.

[@googleuser2170]

The Flex was just so cool looking.

[@briantxcattleskull2752]

Probably for my next ride will be a Flex Limited/Titanium

[@paulmezhir8354]

Flex. No contest. Leaving the Outback downhill was enough to make this contest not a contest whatsoever. I own a 2011 Flex and divide my time between homes in Buffalo, NY and Toronto, ON. I have never once been stuck in even the worst snow....the car tracks like it's on dry pavement in even the worst of road conditions. The ride comfort and quietness and the immense interior combined with a Lincoln-level of luxury appointments makes the Flex absolutely incomparable. Ford's decision to kill the model after 2019 is a big mistake. The Flex had the highest buyer demographics and intent to buy again of all the models sold by FoMoCo. Discontinuing an icon was a mistake. Btw....My vehicle has passed 200,000 miles and still feels and looks like it did when new.

[@gaterzick]

10's of millions of people go on ski trips... i've taken 3 this year already, you should try it, its awesome. and a car that can't cut in the mountain is a no go for a buy for me

[@afoster4274]

I’ve owned the Forester and Outback, both very reliable and practical cars...but my Flex is perfect for my family. It has the same reliability and more features than the Subaru. It’s not a fair comparison.

[@ryansauto93]

I'd have the Subaru, but we had a Flex on a family vacation and it fit 6 full grown people very comfortable and was surprisingly good to drive on twisty California roads. I was very impressed, but it's quite pricey and the build quality was a bit iffy. The Subaru will be more reliable, better AWD, better MPG.

[@2chicos]

The Flex doesn't have the optional roof rails. If you are going to mount that Thule box you should probably get the rails.

[@hotelyankeepoppa8862]

2009 Flex Limited AWD light ice blue metallic, glass roof, all creature comforts. Wouldn't trade it for the world. May barter for world peace.

[@Jeschitown]

always liked that color scheme I have a 2011 limited in two tone red and white top it's beautiful we love it

[@dkphantomdk]

If I had to pick, Ill go with the Subaru. - but the Ford´s styling is pretty nice. A few things I´d like to mention. Who step into their cars with huge gloves on ? - I never ever do that, even in the coldest of winter, I rarely use a coat og jacket, because once the car is started, it takes only a few minutes to have a nice indoor climate, to be comfortable in, I dont like to wear to much clothing when driving. That is why I dont consider the "touch buttons a problem" - the "motorised back door is just an extra, I dont need it, it will make the car more expensive to build / buy, and its just one more thing that can break. The engine in the subaru would be nice if it was a bit more powerful, if ( as they say ) - cant keep its speed uphill ! But Id would still go with the Outback - yet a new version of the Baja would be exelent and my first choise. The roofbars is a great ide, but I would still like to be able to remove them when they are not in use.

[@user-rl5ve7vd8n]

Please help identify the track from 1:00? And yes, I would take both of these cars.

[@joshmills780]

The Outback probably makes more sense for Ski trips, yet I like the looks of the Flex better.

[@RealtimeReviews613]

Where is the toyota venza????? Im glad u guys FINALLY made long video

[@typhoon5000]

You forgot SYNC can control climate control via voice commands as well! Just tell it the temp and it will set it!

[@FirstLast-oz6rs]

If the Ford Flex had more ground clearance it would complete with the Subaru.

[@East17A]

you know that is true .. excellent point :-) most the time i forget about that fact even that i noticed most reviewers began to look into such thing plus counting roads conditions etc. the EPA should test cars in its full capacity not while it is empty .. this way the consumer informed about the worse scenario regarding everything they may think of the car/SUV/Truck

[@jefftackett282]

I have the 2019 ford flex front wheel drive i dont ski or do cold weather

[@wizeguiz]

Subaru all the way! I just bought my fifth one and my 97 has over 340,000 mi. on her and is still going strong!

[@johnlucas6182]

I rented a Flex and drove from Corvallis Or. to Santa Cruz Ca. yesterday. The Flex is larger and much cooler than an Explorer. Plenty of room,very comfy seats,even the pedals are adjustable. The first 2 hours were in heavy rain and slushy snow and this car handled it perfectly. This car makes my wifes Pilot seem like a total POS.

[@Director4u2c]

I went from a explorer to a flex and will never look back.

[@zdresser]

it was framed as a comparison, which would have been wrong, but it really ended with a "they're both nice" conclusion. If they would have started nitpicking features it would have been different

[@East17A]

i may agree with you but because i can see on the market there is competitors who offer more attractive styling that most people would agree on the way its looks and perform not to forget mentioning the fuel efficiency all combined together can shift consumer opinion about this particular vehicle even that i do like the way it look and i like the offer variety of colors too :-)

[@Intrepid175a]

I would have liked to see them put the cars in a situation where they were really testing the AWD systems. If some of the other comparison tests I've seen with Subaru vs Honda vs Toyota vs Ford are any indication, the Subaru might just be walking away from the Flex. A 350 hp turbo V6 is great, but only if you can get the power to the ground.

[@jeremyfahrni529]

Go test drive one. Trust me.

[@impreza2010drifty]

I would buy both but get the outback with the H6

[@desjardinspeter1982]

the Subaru is outclassed in this comparison buy far. I own a 08 WRX and a 14 flex limited. the wife's flex is borderline rediculois with its features and functionality. the Subaru drives extremely well and is stupid fast. apples to oranges.

[@SteedDigital1]

Except you just compared a wrx to a flex... Not even the same category of car.

[@desjardinspeter1982]

+dave091790 they were comparing a Subaru to a Ford Flex in the video. I was making the same comparison

[@SteedDigital1]

+Peter Desjardins no, they are comparing a Subaru outback to a Ford flex. You're bringing a sporty sedan with lower ground clearance, different engine, different tow/load capacity, etc into the argument for no reason.

[@desjardinspeter1982]

Wahhh

[@slandshark]

I also own a WRX (2004 WRX Wagon). I wouldn't compare it to the flex, it's way smaller inside and was built for a very different purpose. It also weighs like 40% less, so of course the wrx is faster. That said, as a wrx (read: Turbo) and wagon lover (me), I've been looking at a family hauler (7+ seats) in wagon style, nothing really out there exists other than the flex. I just learned of it today.

[@qkslvr221]

Pretty good for the first full episode! If i could suggest anything it would be to show more of the cars performance in the situation (snow acceleration and traction runs here).

[@ianalexander2017]

I would get the flex

[@criznitty]

Is that Tony Hale testing the Outback? I love his character in Arrested Development.

[@techraan2160]

The Flex is the most practical, comfortable car you can buy. It's powerful, safe, and totally comfortable to drive

[@gilbertcarrillo7626]

I like This one, it'is All wheels Drive? how much? I need Information Peas

[@criticaltinker]

Question to the owners: Is there a significant difference of power improvement from 2009 Flex which has only 262hp to the current 287hp 3.5L N/A? I used to own a limited AWD 2009 flex which was 262hp and I felt the power is slightly inefficient. Now I'm planning of getting a 2014 AWD 3.5L NA. I can't compared coz i already ditched the 2009.

[@TimJoseph08031990]

If Subaru did have the 2.0 L Turbo engine paired with the CVT, then it won't lose power in higher altitude. However premium fuel would be required in most turbo or supercharged engines. But this is a comparison between a 3 row Crossover and a wagon.

[@jeremyfahrni529]

CVT transmission? I wouldnt go further back then the 2014 models. Read reviews they just ironed out the kinks in those.

[@edwardleroy8435]

Flex is the best

[@East17A]

i think because most people believe that it is too expensive

[@sadigov]

Which one could climb the Brokeback Mountain faster?

[@jamespostle6894]

Subsru is do much better in the snow and in slippery conditions.

[@RomanticAtrocity]

Love the Flex, but the Subee is much better engineered,

[@fordfool420]

Adrian C12345 I couldn't agree more Volvo is been making badass wagons for a long time I'm at huge fan Unfortunately There scaling back on their wagons in the US And as a matter of fact The flex Is based off that D8 platform That's Volvo derived

[@aliaksandranikovich6300]

I guess Flex is best

[@PaulHo]

This was great! Really dig seeing local scenes too.

[@ryanphelps9284]

Someone quick, tell them about E-tip gloves! That amazing new technology that lets you use touchable things, like phones and capacitive buttons, with your gloves on :-O

[@peasofcake]

+Ryan Phelps those gloves do not keep you warm. not that anyone should be driving with gloves on anyway.

[@ryanphelps9284]

+NYC Taxi Photo they keep me warm enough, but you are correct that driving in gloves period is a pain in the ads!

[@mgarcia.V8]

Flex in black

[@tritchie6272]

Somebody should build a crossover with the best attributes of both.

[@ddpaek]

This review would've been better if you actually carried real passengers with real bags and boots stuffed in the trunk and see how it fares in terms of real world space and passenger ride comfort. And these editors while they're excellent at reviewing cars, they're just not fit for KZbin. You need some personality. MotorTrend and Kelly's Blue Book do this well. Good car comparison but overall, I wish this review actually showecased the real world examples.

[@maverickyoung632]

Love the flex

[@Drumer4990]

the first thing that came into mind was TG, then i scrolled down and saw your comment.

[@agm5148]

I work for a Ford dealer and I can get a discount on any Ford, for an all purpose, comfortable and great snow capability my choice is Subaru. The newer Subarus also have "EyeSight" which helps avoid an accident. The mileage is also a lot better on a Subaru, and best resale value.

[@Superman-xr1oh]

A gm Toyota crushes both of them.

[@nolanclements3587]

I am with Outback

[@theupshiftcarblog9555]

These people weren't even trying, yet they were better than Top Gear U.S. Though, Top Gear UK, still the best show on earth!

[@Kachok80]

Outback all the way, better road manners, more versatile cargo management, better mpg, better AWD system, safer vehicle in every respect, better ground clearance, and of course much better off the beaten path with superior approach/departure and break over angles. All the Fords extra power means nothing when it is stuck in the mud or snow.

[@FeonicaMartinez]

Ahw! :( I have planned to get a Flex then for my dream ski vacation trip, I guess it's time to change the plan now!