Rise of China Part III: Total World Dominance

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[@commodoresixfour7478]

I for one welcome our new overlords. Lol Honestly I hope CCP falls soon. Not the country, just their evil government.

[@commodoresixfour7478]

You talk about a "car club" coming from the car company. Toyota did this with the Scion and GM did it with the Saturn. My only regrets is that both brands got canceled. I thoroughly enjoyed Scion Exposed. I got to go to Hot Import night in Chicago and even traveled to the Brickyard 500 in Florida for a event. Funny part is I would have never gotten a Scion if GM financial would have given me a loan. Toyota didn't give me the chance to leave without a car, a car that sold itself.

[@Biskawow]

Pleaaaase make Mercedes episode, from the first car his wife took on road trip, to today.

[@colpitts350]

Man wheelsboy is so awesome. It’s so cool seeing into the Chinese car industry. I was in a coworkers Buick the other day and it was made by SAIC-GM. Funny enough it didn’t say “made in China” on the VIN tag.

[@antonau6829]

I know that xiaopeng car

[@stevangucu522]

Chinese also found gap in Europe for the tractor market. People in East Europe need cheap tractor, with high power. Before that gap was filled by MTZ Belarus tractors. But they got greedy with paying extra for AC and Grammer seat, and cabin was always cramped and weird. But Belarus was dominant in cheap tractor segment. European manufacturers are producing expensive, complicated machines to maintain and handle for average East Europe farmer. But then in 2010s YTO and Foton Lovol came to compete with Belarus. They offered tractors based on Fiat Agri license, with larger comfortable cabin, reliable Perkins engine and simple 3 range, 4 gear synchronized gearbox. Also Grammer seat and AC were included in every tractor, it is not extra. They were at same range as Belarus and 20% cheaper than sophisticated European manufacturers. Lovol is higher in quality, it got into the Westren market and it got positive reviews. I In countries that don't care for Euro norms like Serbia you can buy versions with no turbo, and people like that since it is easier to maintain. In Ukraine and Russia I saw models with turbo, electric injection and smaller displacement for the same power range.

[@EdsAutoReviews]

I did not know this, but thank you for the information! I guess you can say the same process is currently happening within the tractor market.

[@sahasmahogha6399]

The day automatically becomes better when Ed uploads.

[@jeepfan971]

it does

[@SquishyZoran]

I agree!

[@johnclark3431]

I literally just said that 👍❤️

[@isaacsrandomvideos667]

Agreed

[@mrs6968]

No lie he's such a good dude

[@christianocampos158]

I live in Paraguay, South America. We have one of the best ratio of clean energy coming from three dams that power most of the country (with a tiny pourcentage being fossil). Whilst the push for the gouvernement has been slow towards EVs and the arrival from major brands has been even slower (appart from really high end luxury cars such as Audis, BMWs and Porsches) the Chinese automaker have been really pushing affordable EVs to the market. One of the major brands, BYD, has provided most of the charging infrastructure and is helping on building an East to West charging route.

[@joaquinneis]

Hi Christian, how much a cheap EV cost there? (Not microcar). I'm from Argentina, I live at the border with Paraguay. I'm really thinking about moving there.

[@christianocampos158]

@@joaquinneis There is basically no used electric car market so you are gonna have to look into new EVs. One of the cheapest EVs out there from a Chinese brand is the BAIC EC3 which starts at 27.000 USD. Unfortunately the government still hasn't implemented incentives on EVs. I've sat in one at an auto show recently and it really is compact and cheap and I wouldn't recommend it. I think I would wait for the Renault Kwid Z.E. for it to release in South America or buy used privately imported EVs brought either from Brasil who has more EVs out there or straight up from the US. I've seen 1st gen Nissan Leafs imported and sold for about 20k but it's still quite rare to find one.

[@perryelyod4870]

Similar to Costa Rica. Something like 95% of electric is from hydro sources, and although the infrastructure for electric vehicles is still lacking, there are now many vehicles with the 'green' licence plates. Aside from a surprising number of EV Audi SUV's, the majority are from China.

[@树心旁-p4b]

@@joaquinneis im a chinese, so i can tell you EV price here china. a EV (4800mm*1850mm*1500mm)with a range of 600km costs almost 20~30k dollars.

[@xmar4497]

但你的国家却和中国没有建交.....

[@MTaxiSheep]

The cars driving on Chinese roads remind me of a video game that couldn’t get any licensing from automakers, so they implement their own look alikes

[@roccosophie6498]

That's all the Chinese do is copy everything from everyone else.

[@cyb3r_81]

Bittersweetness, when other countries leave you out of shit it sucks at first, but you be a man and create it yourself, which pays off in the end. Just like ISS rejected china, but we made our own

[@BOT-MERC]

Huh

[@OJ_36]

Bro Chinese cars from be GTA cars Ong 😭

[@gabrielv.4358]

YEP!

[@Real_British]

Ah yes..from my observations on Indonesia, these chinese brands took others by storm, one particularly "Wuling" with their cheap price yet has a lot of features compared to existing Japanese car makers

[@kleanovodust-bin69]

Wuling first SUV, the Baojun 530, sold like hotcakes really. They got semi-autonomous features and for the price they offered, pretty bargain.

[@Real_British]

@@montanapharmaceuticals7881 they didnt do vans in Indonesia, but their "cortez" and "almaz" are pretty hit ever since came in 2017

[@kingofstove]

Ah, that's a good observation, but you missed one detail, Wuling (SAIC - GM) went to Indonesia with plenty of groundwork to establish their brand, things such as dealers network, service center, warranty, local preference, local naming etc. Basically, everything things to be taken seriously to have a root. Sadly brands that are coming after that (DFSK, Chery and MG) seem to get enticed by the sales figure and just come here without doing the full groundwork. I don't really see any other brands rather than Wuling to have a lasting impact here

[@隼-x4f]

@@montanapharmaceuticals7881 五菱之光32000人民币

[@vueport99]

@@montanapharmaceuticals7881 wuling is a lead acid battery powered golf cart. Good value. After you buy it, upgrade it to lithium for better range

[@jeffstreck]

Cool shit happens when people learn other languages. I'm an English speaker. I know some bloody obscure words and I'm well-read. However... Ed is the only reason I know the word, "malaise." Love you Ed and love the content.

[@TheYouTubeTeam]

Not a Jimmy Carter fan?

[@jeffstreck]

@@TheKZbinTeam The US president? I know his name but buggerall else. I'm South African so we learned about our lot.

[@xmanhoe]

Same here 🤣

[@currentsitguy]

@@jeffstreck Here, this is what he is referring to: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqWqlZJvicabsNk

[@annebokma4637]

Dutch here, we also get a global focused education, right Ed?

[@徐梓铭-x4f]

As a Chinese, I really believe that you've made a thorough review on the EV cars that Chinese carmakers brought overseas. However, even us Chinese sometimes reckon that carmakers like the Great Walls are disgusting nowadays by still copying styles from for example VW Beetle. And some other EV brands are financially unsustainable. For Westerners who want to know more about the Chinese EV cars in your country, it's really better to see the performance of these brands domestically. For now, as for new startups, only carmakers like Nio, Xpeng, Li are delivering enough vehicles to prove their abilities...

[@cheungchingtong]

“Even us Chinese”, oh you good lad.

[@DerrickBest]

I've been fascinated by the rise of China in the EV market. And so far I'm impressed by the ones you've mentioned. I'm a fan of Xpeng, NIO and BYD. Should I make it to America next year (2024, I'm Trinidadian.) I'll consider those when they make it to the American market. By then I'll have choice hopefully.

[@togifashion8737]

电动车是一个行业门槛很高的产业，任何电动车初创公司都要承受巨大的财务亏损，特斯拉亏了200亿美金才开始盈利，都是靠政府补贴和投资人养起来的，国内电动车公司也是一样的，不要觉得他们财务不可持续就不能生存，当这些初创公司销量达到一定门槛，自然而然就盈利了，全世界目前也只有3家电动车公司盈利，特斯拉，比亚迪和理想，强如大众丰田，也是卖一辆亏一辆，靠油车在补贴。

[@FrostKaiser]

Now say that Honqi copies Rolls Royce. Did u secured ur US visa by now?? Or did CIA broke their promise??

[@ltribley]

As a Sinologist, I’ve been involved in China related issues and initiatives for over 25 years and have watched the development of all sorts of motorized vehicles. During my last trip to China, pre-COVID and walking thru residential communities, it was unique to see families EV's parked outside their homes or apartments with charging cables running to them for charging across driveways, sidewalks into parking lots. Extension cords for their scooters and motorcycles. For scooters and motorcycles some residential communities have drive-up charging stations. Unlike the West where EV's are typically priced out of reach of the average family, and the models that are available are not particularly family friendly or practical, China is just the opposite. There are EV models available for almost every family income in almost every styling flavor. And the quality and designs are quite good and refreshing and innovative in many instances, no longer copies of the past. There are some US states phasing out combustion cars in 2035 but yet there are no viable and affordable EV's for the “masses”. No standardized EV charging infrastructure across the US. There is nothing that supports the success of the 2035 EV mandates. Just political “claptrap”. Tax incentives require EV's to have X% US made. I believe even Tesla does not qualify. And the best battery technology is coming out of China. The energy crisis in the UK, EU, and mounting in the US now finds the cost of electricity too expensive no longer making EV's cost effective to operate. And in the US add climate change and we have California asking people not to drive their EV's, Tesla's due to severe energy shortages! Geopolitics will influence China's ability to import cars and EV's into the US. US, UK, EU censors everything good about China and prejudices peoples views on the country and its people tantamount to pushing an inferior society vs Western superiority when in fact China is leaps ahead in a variety of technologies and fields, including applying for the greatest number of patents annually and graduating the largest number of engineers and scientists of any country. 6G is around the corner and they lead in artificial intelligence, renewable energy, and the first cashless society. You don’t know what you're missing out on. But what we don’t understand is that we need China to maintain our economy, but increasingly China does not need us. They are quite happy working with the Global South countries making up around 90% of the worlds population and most of the worlds production capabilities with their Belt and Road Initiatives. One example. Who is the largest manufacturer of smart phones in the world? Samsung or Apple? No it’s Xiaomi with little presence in the US for fear of sanctions but a “go to” in the rest of the world and they’re every bit as good as Samsung and Apple. Like almost everything in China, they make a plan, set goals and objectives and go out and do it.

[@directxxxx71]

Soon Western world will be isolated from the rest of the world market through their sanctioning against countries, including China.. Without another possibility of Plaza Accord 2.0, how could US manufacturers anything with reasonable prices against Chinese manufacturers ...

[@xiaokanfengyun-xn]

Well said. 👍

[@adampatterson5224]

You can sell your freedom for money. Sorry after seeing how much the government cares about people in china ( any one who is critical of the government disappears) and how much they control ( no access to Facebook, WhatsApp , twitter, Google etc) no one wants to live there. People died because they were forced to stay inside their apartments during covid. We all know that CCP pays for western people to write good things about their government . You can sell your soul for money but not every one wants that shit. Chinese economy developed due to good will from western countries. But CCP still wants to treat western countries as enemies. Ita a bit late but people in western countries realised the dangers of CCP dictatorship. You are welcome to go and live there and take Chinese citizenship.

[@bldontmatter5319]

The US used to do this... They used to give the world their middle finger and say "we don't need you..." And now the US needs every friend it can get. Get out while you still can.

[@johnsonolajide4647]

One of the best comments so far here. I love your comments. You're very very well informed. You're a very very intelligent person in the world.

[@jc4373]

I have visited China and being there you can see that the Chinese are going to eat the US for lunch. I don’t understand how the big 3 US car companies just keep their heads in the sand moving so slowly. The Vietnamese are going to build beautiful electric SUB vehicles in North Carolina that will also be $10k below the competition in just a few years. Thanks Ed for another terrific series. Keep up the great work.

[@hwong1776]

GM is absolutely printing money in China, don't count them out yet

[@rulingmoss5599]

China cant even make anything that lasts, if you wanna be one of the dumb sods you buys their garbage go right ahead.

[@deadfishparty]

Your final statement is a perfect summary. No one took the Japanese seriously and they walloped North America. Then no one took Korea seriously and they walloped the world. I remember when buying a Kia meant you were is desperate need of transportation but didn’t want to buy used. Now I think they make some of the best looking, well thought out vehicles on the road the average consumer can afford. I bought the previous 4th gen Sportage based on it’s looks and comfort. Never did I think I would see the day. China will be a success. Just look at the iphone in your hand.

[@seanwebb995]

Exactly, history repeats. Also wonder if the same will happen in the coming decades where China itself will be overtaken as the world's biggest car manufacturing powerhouse by a current developing country. I think part of this is peoples' attitudes with their prior experience. Decades ago, people would have avoided Japanese cars for a myriad of reasons (including Japan's involvement in the war). 20/30 years ago, most people seemed to accept cars from Japan, but viewed cars from South Korea with suspicion. Nowadays, most people, at least here in Australia, have a Japanese or Korean branded car, but with mixed views on Chinese cars. This last point is my personal attitude, being younger as well, I own a Mazda, respect, but have little interest in Hyundais or Kias, and avoid Chinese MGs or GWMs. Partly because of quality concerns, but mostly as I'm not sure to what extent Chinese brands are affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party.

[@captives6479]

@@seanwebb995 What did the Chinese Communist Party ever do to harm you or your friends and relatives? LOL.

[@waytostoned]

Woot! New episode!

[@thegeek0017]

You should take a look at the Cord cars from the 30s, long, luxury, FWD, and sometimes supercharged! Very interesting and not very well know in the modern day

[@barron204]

I’m interested to see what will happen to the top Euro car makers vs the top China car makers in the future.

[@Adrian2140]

Probably the same thing that happened to the US car makers when Japanese brads started becoming more popular in the US, cars were cheaper since they didn't care about work conditions and regulations, more efficient, way longer lasting and reliable and came with a new exotic look. Some companies went down under, some failed, monopolies were established in order to compete, giants started cooperating on parts and now we get the same junk from any brand you name.

[@OhmUdomvanich]

Chinese car maker will take over good perform car maker in Europe.

[@FrostKaiser]

After Chinese car starts to become popular European Union will sanction them on the security concerns though alleged with no proves.

[@NeurodivergentSuperiority]

7:13 Holy crap, what a old reference from a time when i wasn't even born

[@0xBiscuit]

In Middle East Chinese cars are everywhere now. They just suddenly appear in the last 5 years with very cheap prices for what you get.

[@strawberrymilk9767]

yeah and in the next 5 years none of those cars will still be on the road

[@remix-yy1hs]

You are sad yt boy

[@nicelol5241]

@@strawberrymilk9767BYD and Changan provide great cars, even brands that were known as bad like cherry have improved. Also, Chinese cars have improved a lot in quality in comparison to 20 years ago

[@strawberrymilk9767]

@@nicelol5241 yeah I’m not believing that for a second. Those things probably have the build quality of a Tesla but even worse.

[@MegaHolymoly]

You deserve so many more subs and views! Love your input on history and cars both of my favorite subjects.

[@macherooni]

No wonder Geely vehicles look pretty decent nowadays. I have a soft spot for their aesthetics so far. I wouldn't buy one for myself though, but if I have to choose a Chinese brand, Geely would be one of the choices.

[@telcobilly]

I'm seeing Geely ICE vehicles here in the Philippines and they are well styled and attractively priced. I know nothing about the quality and reliability. Im old enough to remember in the '60s how people laughed at "Japanese junk" back then. Nobody's laughing now. Our government/corporate complex gave away our manufacturing dominance to line their own greedy pockets. Now, our cars lag the world and a good deal of the engineering is offshored. Greed and laziness got us here.

[@amirulizzat7395]

Here in Malaysia, Geely bought almost half of the shares on Proton. The high end of Proton cars are rebadged Geely Cars. The X70 comes from the Geely Boyue & the X50 comes from the Geely Binyue to name a few. The reception on those cars were positive especially the X50 as it still dominated the B segment SUV category taking over the Honda HR-V. The only competitor to the X50 is the Cherry Omoda 5 which competes price wise nicely with the X50. A lot of Chinese car brands are coming in Malaysia in drove and its interesting to see it unfolds.

[@chinawheels3558]

Excellent and totally accurate. I drove some of these cars and made some videos if anyone's interested. Stopped because of COVID of course, but I plan to continue in the near future. Kudos for the amazing research job!

[@moestrei]

NEV stands for New Energy Vehicles.....incl. fuel cells etc.

[@Michka1001]

My father bought a Great Wall V200 (diesel steed or wingle) over here in Australia years ago.. Just about to hit 200,000 Ks, hardly ever gets serviced and although is usually driven lightly, it gets abused.. All I can say is considering it's life, it's ridiculously reliable. My partner bought a Joilion early this year and apart from the tech on it being trash, so far it's doing better than the current competition.. (My other half does roughly 100,000 per year)

[@fdjw88]

Yeah Great Wall pickup trucks are decently popular in Australia. but i think the EVs from BYD will be a big hit in Australia.

[@vrealzhou]

@@fdjw88 BYD still can’t produce enough cars in Chinese market yet. In Australia you have to wait around 3-4 months after ordering. It’s the top 1 ev/phev car brand on selling numbers now

[@rulingmoss5599]

LOL you're 100 percent bought and paid for.

[@Michka1001]

@@fdjw88 I'm now starting to see them pop up everywhere now, and for a mostly rural area that's saying something for the popularity

[@Michka1001]

@rulingmoss5599 literally the only thing wrong with the Jolion so far is all the driver assistance crap, and that's only because it's taken out two kangaroos so far 😅 safe to say I'm still shocked they've only broken the top and bottom grille 😳

[@marvinracer88]

This channel deserves so much more. Big fan of your content!

[@TwentyNinerR]

About China's market penetration... Over here in Indonesia, the Chinese tried several times to enter the market, with varying levels of success: 1. Their first major attempt was, if I remember correctly, the late 2000s. Major brands like Geely, Chery, Foton and Great Wall entered the market: - Geely kicks things off with the MK series, a subcompact hatchback and sedan. It had lukewarm reception and was popular as cabs. A notable feature of the car is the mechanicals, which people soon found out is based on Toyota Soluna (last-gen Tercels with minor modifications). They also tried the city car market with the Panda, notable for its cute looks, as well as the sedan market with the Emgrand. - Chery entered the archipelago through one of Indonesia's biggest dealer network company. Their QQ city car was initially popular, but plagued with build quality issues. - Foton entered the commercial vehicle market, which I don't really follow, but for as far as I know, it was a lost cause because Mitsubishi has basically owned the segment since the 1970s. They do launch a mini bus which had the front fascia of a Toyota Alphard, a Japanese minivan. - Great Wall tried to enter the pickup truck segment, but also lost to Mitsubishi - Maxus had a hand by launching a van, but lost to Toyota with their Hiace. Again, Toyota owned the van segment since they relaunched the Hiace. 2. Having learned their lessons, China "re-entered" Indonesia through Wuling, a subsidiary of SAIC-GM. This time, they came prepared: - Around 2017, SAIC-GM brought their Wuling brand over to Indonesia. Initially, they brought a bunch of MPVs named Confero (based on Hongguang S1, a lower-segment compact MPV) and Cortez (based on Baojun 730, a medium-sized MPV with more fluff than Hongguang S1). The cars saw decent success due to being way cheaper than what the Japanese brands can offer, as well as having good reliability for daily usage. They then continue with the Almaz, an SUV based on Baojun 530, but it gained a reputation for a lack of power (148 hp when others like Honda CR-V and Mazda CX-5 has at least 170 hp) and having the worst fuel economy in its class; however, the bad rep is "redeemed" with the Air EV, a tiny EV that's Indonesia's cheapest brand new EV. - DFSK started their foray into the Indonesian market with a bunch of SUVs named Glory 560 (based on Dongfeng Fengguang S560) and Glory 580 (based on Fengon 580), small pickup trucks named Supercab (based on DFSK K-Series pickup truck) and a van named Gelora (based on DFSK C-Series); the Gelora van is available in both petrol and electric. In this second wave, other manufacturers joined the hype, such as MG, Haval (Haval's sales operation is so far limited to the free trade zone of Batam, near Singapore), and even Chery

[@nunocspinto]

This was an incredible series. Preety interesting. Just an add-up: Cabo Verde is filled with Chinese brands we don't even know in Europe. Just this. They are here.

[@Sammael66685]

Remember those days when the PSA CEO's tried to persuade the EU about the dangers enthralling the full entrance of japanese car brands in the 90's? Who could have guessed back then that the same organisms would shoot their own feet after several car emission regulations 20 to 30 years later! Funny, unless...

[@EuropeanQoheleth]

sigh Yet another metalhead.

[@ferdinand12390]

I just returned from Costa Rica, there are DOZENS of Chinese brands, some I hadn’t even heard of. Currently they are entering Mexico with a lot of force, the newest one is Chery, renamed Chirey here(most likely some trademark) and the Tiggo 7 is really enticing tbh

[@pepper0075]

Funny enough but Chery is the most valued and most sucssesful car brand here in chile

[@ferdinand12390]

@@pepper0075 really? So do you recommend it? I've seen them in the dealers and they feel solid

[@geebs76]

True. I live in Costa Rica and Chinese cars, trucks, and motorcycles are very common here. I am also seeing more Chinese electric vehicles, particularly BYD. In the past I worked with some BAIC employees and they thought their company's logo looks like a pig's nose.

[@pepper0075]

@@ferdinand12390 they are some of the best chinese cars around, but they're only worth buying if you can get them cheap

[@xalataf3365]

Chery’s recently made a comeback here *in Indonesia, and whilst I’m absolutely not a fan of crossovers I must admit the Tiggo 7’s looking quite on par to other offerings we have here… absolutely a far cry from the piles of absolute garbage they were selling here some 15 years ago (a Daewoo Matiz knockoff called the QQ… eugh)

[@aidaaliten8817]

remember kia and hyundai around 15 years ago?

[@gpalmerify]

Loved this series. My IT experience with the Chinese has been mostly keeping them out of our networks. I imagine the costs of R&D are wonderfully low if you simply take it from companies who invest in it. I hope the innovators for EVs realize the world needs to refine infrastructure before flipping a switch to convert to rechargeable cars. Personally don't buy the eco-panic that seems to rush everything.

[@vivadjango]

Agreed on the infrastructure opinion but DON'T agree on the "eco-panic". We're not panicking nearly enough I'm afraid.

[@gehtsienixan4442]

@@vivadjango Every year less people die bc of extreme weather circumstances. The earth became much greener in the last 15 years.

[@BobTheMartin]

@@gehtsienixan4442 It's almost like people started taking the climate seriously and actually changed stuff in the last 15 years.... Imagine earth was gonna be hit by a meteor, and we spend 100 billion to get it destroyed And people say "Why did we waste 100 billion!!! seee! There was no meteor!"

[@gpalmerify]

@Retired Bore No point in discussing these points with you I see.

[@dallasguy3306]

@@vivadjango Yeah I was with him until I read "eco-panic." He is right that China would be nowhere if they didn't steal tech. They refused to buy "Western" vaccines to treat Covid, instead making their own (novel concept for them). Results? Continuing massive shutdowns and quarantines. They're still in trouble. Add in the real-estate/banking crisis and China's economy is cratering. Interesting that the real-estate crisis is not getting much attention in the media. Then there's the Uyghur genocide. I know much of what I own was made in China, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy a Chinese car.

[@cloudstrife1983]

Ah Maxus vans... once called LDV. Previously part of British Leyland.

[@AnthroGearhead]

🤨

[@palco22]

Always informative and entertaining videos. Again, well done.

[@frankneser6055]

I'm an expat living in Egypt, not an EV-friendly country but price semsitive. Chinese ICE cars are already everywhere, brands appear and disappear. Brilliance, FAW, Geely, Maple, Zotye, Chery, DFSK, Great Wall, Hafei, Haval and many more had their time. BYD sold a big number of F3, a Corolla-lookalike with reasonable quality. Today MGs are top sellers of the season, MG 5 is a hit. Some one-hit-wonder-brands having a comeback with better cars or with a new brand name. Chinese are here to stay; cars are getting better and still 30% cheaper than competition.

[@maheshmurali2697]

Same here in the UAE. I remember Foton and JAC being reasonably popular during the 2010s, during the mid 2010s Geely and Cherry were popular. MG kind of gained a foothold around 2017 and now a lot of people are buying Changan after the pandemic.

[@MaticTheProto]

You mean you are an immigrant

[@mortentefre7760]

One would do well to look closely at the EV sales in Norway where Chinese brands are trying their best to make an inroad. It’s like a testbed.

[@Adrian2140]

Sweden too. All I see are teslas and other european makers. I don't think chinese brands made them for the same reasons as before - poor to none safety.

[@colpitts350]

I’ve posted online about this and never got any feedback. I’m from Canada. Hyundai used Canada to test the North American in the 1980s. I wouldn’t be surprised if a Chinese company tried the same thing in the 2020s. But like you said many Chinese cars are already here rebadged for our market. I really hope a Chinese company sets up their own dealer network in Canada.

[@currentsitguy]

Yes. I went to a college in the US not far from the Canadian border back in the 80's. It was not uncommon to see Hyundai Pony's on the road with Ontario plates, which is a model never sold here.

[@AE111TRD]

The actual dozens, dozens of older generation people I come across, that aren't racist by their own account, but loudly and proudly exclaim they "don't trust the Chinese and would never buy a Chinese car" - while Driving a 2021 MG Crossover because "that's a good British car with good British Values" that have no clue of the Current MG parentage or owners boggles my mind It is quite a giggle Watching them silently boil with rage when you explain to them just how deeply they bought into the very Chinese they seemingly don't trust

[@deanchur]

It's pretty amazing; I went to Wikipedia to see how long it would take to find out MG are Chinese owned. Less than 15 seconds.

[@rdhudon7469]

Ya , you sound full of crap to me. First off "chinese" isn't a race. Secondly , old people are generally more savvy then you describe . What a joke ! Keep giggling like a little girl .

[@MickeyMousePark]

Not to mention driving an MG and screaming into their iPhone "i would NEVER buy something from China!!!"

[@ryanjonathanmartin3933]

I don't like the CPC by any means as they are a dictatorship. But conservative parties tap in more to the anti-Chinese xenophobia of their voter base rather than distrust of the CPC (many right-leaning parties actually get some funding from Chinese political groups and have little problem doing business with Chinese state-owned companies, Hungary's Fidesz is one infamous example).

[@howweng6227]

你应该告诉他们，梅赛德斯奔驰的母公司的第一第二大股东是谁😂

[@kellingtonlink956]

Brilliant ending! Thanks for an exceptionally well researched and thought out video(s). Well done you! Cheers.

[@NSH_2814]

Very well researched video as always! Please make an episode about the history of the South Korean auto industry next

[@bobkare1015]

First of all, I want to thank you for the great content. Here in Norway where EVs are what people buy, Chinese manufacturers are more present. Current problems are, reputation, design and trust. Will be brands be around for the lifetime of the car?

[@lucky889s9]

Geely already bought Volvo, you think they're spending all That money only not to be around for a long time?

[@MaticTheProto]

@@lucky889s9Geely imo is the most trustworthy chinese brand.

[@Nimmo1492]

MG will soon be getting back to the small sports car market with the Cyberster, which is a very attractive electric sports car.

[@MrJommins]

What a fantastic series! Even though I am an older kind of guy, I am psyched to get one of those really cool Chinese electrics!

[@JK061996]

Not only Chinese brands are expanding abroad but more and more Western manufacturers are moving their production to China (see Citroën C5 X, Smart #1, electric Minis). I'm afraid this won't end well

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

It won't. But it will end soon. Not well but soon.

[@Real_British]

Then there's goes buick which sold like a hotcakes in china

[@64arguz]

Hegemony ! China now play to be the “boss” and decides the world rules, economy and power on communist hands… “no bueno”

[@Biskawow]

With Xi going full Mao, that's a stupid move

[@digitalrailroader]

Which is ironic because Stellantis (the conglomerate that makes Jeep, Dodge, Citröen, DS, Opel, and other European and American brands) just CLOSED their Jeep factory in China (which made Jeeps for the Chinese domestic market) due to excessive meddling by the Chinese government.

[@alvd8511]

Great episode on Chinese car companies. Chinese are definitely coming. In USA today average price of a new car is close to $40K and that is if you can find one. Cost of everything skyrocketed in the past 2 years. Electric cars are out of reach to mid income family.

[@nehcooahnait7827]

Well US Americans should stop buying big ass cars and try smaller ones

[@MaticTheProto]

@@nehcooahnait7827yupppp

[@Marian87]

I'm from Romania and my boss drives a Seres E3 and Dacia sells the popular Dacia Spring EV which is built in China and we also have Chinese electric buses. They're already all over the place.

[@oracleofdelphi8411]

Another great episode...thanks Ed ! ... and greetings from Los Angeles, the car capitol of the world.

[@RERM001]

Maxus started life as a van made by LDV in Great Britain. Just like MG.

[@Niro.C]

I just got my brand new Maxus Euniq 6 last Thursday here in Israel and it is a roomy, good looking pretty solid electric SUV with a 70KW battery and range of around 350-400 km. Homologated as EU small series vehicle. MG is sold here since around 2010 and mire Chinese brands are coming every day such as Aiways, Skywell, JAC, GAC, BYD, Great Wall, SERES, DFSK etc. Most new EV's here are Chinese, even the Tesla Model 3 is imported here from China.

[@vicp8772]

Ur last comment I think is 100 percent true Ed. Wish local manufacturers would wake up. Honda here in Canada jacked up their prices. We want a $20 thousand car, nothing is offered anymore, guess who will get the sake?

[@charleshulsey3103]

Fun fact - if you look in the fuse panel of the previous body style Chevy traverse and Buick enclave, you'll see an unused fuse slot labeled "China only"

[@cva1122]

Interesting. Wonder what runs on it? Please someone, plug a fuse in and tell us what happens.

[@currentsitguy]

@@cva1122 It activates the hidden Social Credit Score Tracker.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@currentsitguyyou think you are joking. However you actually aren’t… in some cases driver monitoring is linked to exactly that

[@jergervasi3331]

Without a doubt, your most informative series of videos. Wow. Eye-opening.

[@kijekuyo9494]

I've learned a lot from this series. Thanks. I love to ask my family/friends, "Which country produces the most cars?" and they rarely answer "China." I wanted to point out that the Q is pronounced "ch" in Pinyin, so Hongqi (Red Flag) is not "Honky"; it is "Hong Chi".

[@RapideWombaticus]

One of my favourite channels. Always enjoy a new upload from you mate. Keep up the fantastic work

[@Petelmrg]

The mG4 is coming to the UK in a few weeks and the order books are very healthy - if you want a particular spec/colour you need to pre-order NOW; I know because I have...

[@VeerMaharaj]

That ending quote is on point. And if the chinese can come close to existing USA and Europe safety standards, they will swallow the 3rd world car market in a landslide. Right now the local car dealer cannot keep MG is stock at all. They are selling like mad. To be honest, they are quite good looking cars.

[@DanDaFreakinMan]

I would like to see you cover Thailand's car economy. It's very obscure but seems pretty interesting. They mostly rebadge stuffs I believe

[@freetolook3727]

@5:35 When buying, we ask the wrong question. We ask, "How cheap is it?", instead of "How long will it last?".

[@jochenstacker7448]

I would have expected a mention of the Dacia Spring, which is produced by Dong Feng and that is kept very quiet by Dacia. We have one and it's been great so far. It was the most bang for your buck in the small EV segment. It's something that's very hard, if not impossible to build for European car makers, a small, simple EV that isn't overloaded with bling and tech gadgets to drive up the price for the customer. It has a manual handbrake and three knob heater control and keeping old style features like these helps keep the price down. When the Chinese overrun the other car makers, it will be their own fault, because they are lazy and complacent. I shed no tear for them.

[@aidaaliten8817]

dacia is a rebadged renault

[@JasonFlorida]

Ed, I sure appreciate your quality videos. Very good and thaught provoking! Excellent as always!

[@stevewilliams7956]

Great episode as always, cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 👍

[@fishegeo747]

Nowadays the Chinese cars/SUV are all structurally designed by the supercomputers and assembled in modern robot factories. The safety tested by Euro/NCAP over past 2 years were awarded with 5 stars, even better than the local brands!

[@hadjiioke]

Wonderful video, Ed. I have seen a crapton of Lynk & Co crossovers around my town lately, and more coming down the autobahn by the truckload. They're tapping the rental car industry, and I think that's a great way to get curious buyers like me who know absolutely nothing about Chinese cars.

[@Psycandy]

03:00 it's 'New *Energy* Vehicles' ~ i.e. everything not ICE, not limited to EVs • Also: China has one very important advantage... they have massive arrays of CCTV everywhere, which use RFID comms with cars to *externally* provide position and environmental data of workable resolution. So self-driving cars don't need arrays of cameras and heaps of processing power and their price also drops accordingly. Tons of YT channels reviewing new Chinese cars, worth checking out!

[@jimmeltonbradley1497]

Great series, Ed. I loved this three-parter. The Chinese are definitely coming.......

[@smartman123]

man you have best car and history channel at the same time greetings from Lebanon 🇱🇧

[@obsidianstatue]

No mention of the fact that China absolutely dominates the battery supply chain, which makes up a large portion of the cost of an EV. China's auto industry will dominate in pretty much all aspects Look at BYD, they are literally developing every part of the EV, and is the most vertically integrated car company in the world.

[@vueport99]

Except top brands in China rely on japanese and Korea lithium batteries

[@obsidianstatue]

@@vueport99 The top brands that competes with Mercedes for eg like NIO, uses Chinese battery supplier Welion and CATL It's funny how difficult it is for some people to admit China's technological advancement, even under a video that talks about such topics

[@vueport99]

@@obsidianstatue I'm simply pointing out facts from the consumer electronics I use. They make a point of advertising the internals powered by Japan cells. I don't think even if they wanted to use Korean or Japanese batteries they would be able to purchase at that quantity as even Tesla can't get that many from them. It's not a question of bias. Just facts. And it's no surprise they produce their own batteries. EV isn't a big deal. Vietnam is even selling their EV internationally. And by all accounts Vietnam is far behind technologically. China has had the benefits of decades of auto production taught to them starting from JVs from the likes of VW, GM, etc etc. Let's not forget that CCP has pumped billions into the NEV sector and have recruited top people from all around the world to get it to where it is today while Trump was busy pushing for big oil. So again, no surprise. Look at the big picture, you might learn something.

[@obsidianstatue]

@@vueport99 What EV is Vietnam selling internationally? Vinfast? the EV brand that pays youtubers to hype their product at a cringeworthy level? LOL And at best they assembles their car, with components bought from elsewhere. China is the world leader in battery technology, from safety to range to the entire supply chain, this is the simple fact, not whatever you are preaching

[@vueport99]

@@obsidianstatue I'm not preaching anything. You're the one preaching. China is world leader in battery production, which isn't the same as world leader in battery tech. Don't confuse the two. And there's plenty of videos circulating on wechat of China made EV exploding or catching on fire. I dunno the first thing about the Vietnam EV but the fact is they're making their rounds in North America. Where is BYD？ The only cringy thing is you're trying to pass your BS online when you know nothing NMSL

[@totih144]

Nice video as usual. As an italian that came to the NL i've been always curious on how the "china retro" scooters came here, in italy we are really proud of our high end scooters like Piaggio and Gilera, Kymco and Sym are the cheap stuff, but here in the NL I've seen and driven a lot of chinese copycat, even sold as "originals" by La Souris. Would be really interesting to learn something more about chinese scooters here, and I think that you are the right man to tell that story.

[@pepper0075]

Chinese vespa copycats are everywhere here in Latin America, they're 1/10 of the cost, fully electric and you don't need registration or license to drive them. Overall pretty good deal for lower income folks.

[@totih144]

@@pepper0075 I don't mean new electric ones, I am curious about how it started here in the Netherlands with 50cc copycat more than 10 years ago

[@user-wz8hp2ix9f]

A quick search on Kymco and Sym show their headquarters are located in Taiwan and are former partners or suppliers to Honda in the 60s and 70s.

[@totih144]

@@user-wz8hp2ix9f I know that, I mean stuff like the "Viraggio Senza" "Bella Milano" and so on.

[@nehcooahnait7827]

@@pepper0075 in China it is now required to register your scooters, but you still don’t need a driver’s License

[@hendrikwagner5957]

Fun Fact: the owner of Geely, also holds the largest private stock share of Mercedes Benz.

[@MaticTheProto]

And they own half of smart and produce them. The new smarts are really nice

[@tomrepici9608]

This was a very good series. Lots of information! Thanks for doing it.

[@carpediem7654]

I don't care about politics. If a Chinese company can sell me a better car at a better price, i want the choice to be able to purchase it. If local car manufacturers want to compete, step your game up. Otherwise don't waste my hard earned money and time.

[@mohammedosmankhan1837]

Great trilogy of vids here, I live in middle east and have been seeing multiple chinese brands pop up here, at first I was kinda repulsive towards them because they have no charm at all but later realized maybe this influx of competition is what will urge the established 70+ year old car companies to move out of the comfort zone of their monopoly. Thus, I wanted to know more about chinese car industry and found your excellent research.

[@DavidHall-ge6nn]

This series has been both eye-opening and entertaining. Enjoyed every minute!

[@EdsAutoReviews]

Thanks!

[@lm_dccxl4078]

the big problem with the chinesse electric cars on 3rd world countries (latin american here) is the infrastructure and cost of the "fuel", 1Kw/H is $1 and thats expensive even for a cheap $10k electric car, we will still depend on fosils until it will not be cheap, thats why a lot of indian car and bikes manufacterers are popular here.

[@vivadjango]

Where in Latin America?

[@_zigger_]

Electric cars were and will be toys for the rich

[@Lando-kx6so]

I'm from Jamaica & BYD & Great Wall (with Haval & Ora) are staging an all out assault on our (small) new EV car market. No other brands apart from Porsche (don't think one taycan was sold here yet) & maybe Mini offer new EVs here

[@GaelVeerasamy]

the new mini ev is basically a rebadged ora good cat 😁

[@viktorguminiuc3267]

I really like your narrative style. Keep it up👍

[@patriciosilva1969]

Spot on! In my country, Chile, On December 18, 2022, it.was reported that 39,4% of new cars now come from China. This made Chile the largest importer from China, percentually speaking. Just 10 years ago the Chinese cars in Chile were neglectible and those few then seen in the streets were poorly designed and worstly built. Nowadays Chinese vehicles visible every third car out there are as attractive and as well built as premium European brands, showing no greater reliability issues than brands from elsewhere.

[@serafinacosta7118]

It helps Chile is a Pacific Nation.

[@CogentConsult]

Ed, soothsayer of the automotive world, knows what is going to happen. Plugged into the automotive manufacturing market, Ed speaks the truth. The trends are obvious, the historic evidence already clear, if we don’t listen to Ed, then we die by ignorance. I hate internal combustion engines with their 1,000 moving parts that all wear out so quickly, but I love the body styling. Marry the body styling, range, and ease of refueling of internal combustion vehicles with that of the 90% less maintenance and simplicity of EV technology, and you have a winner. That’s when I’ll buy EV, not before.

[@ap9970]

European car makes are trying to make their cars more appealing to the Chinese market, while at the same time the Chinese are moving in a more European design direction. I think we know how this will end.

[@directxxxx71]

You're spot on Currently BYD Group head designer is Wolfgang Josef Egger (born 13 February 1963), who is a car designer from Germany, a former Audi Group head designer. Ora funky cat ( Ora good Cat or Haomao ) is designed by former Porsche designer Emanuel Derta

[@davincisghost9228]

I'm pretty sure I didn't learn a damn thing but dang you packaged and presented it well and made me laugh so a BIG THANKS Dutchman! Keep 'em coming please.

[@wadeguidry6675]

Soon as they get the safety thing down: we're screwed.

[@j.t.erasmus7486]

This is your best video yet! I am glad that someone is highlighting this topic.

[@owjanshahmiri7038]

I drive a V8 holden and don't care whether Chinese are coming or going 🇦🇺

[@sneaky_krait7271]

Great video overall, however the Volvo/Polestar/Lynk&Co situation is a bit different, it's engineering happens in Sweden, England and China, it's not just rebadging an existing Chinese platform

[@Gromovoy44]

In Russia, as European manufacturers are leaving our market because of politics, Chinese are taking the market VERY rapidly so the competition will be severe if Europeans decide to enter Russia again later.

[@rogerkaputnik4760]

These videos are great. Thanks for all your content. It's awesome.

[@gabem.5242]

"Oh, we don't copy cars anymore!" Aura Good Cat is basically the result of an orgy between a FIAT 500, a FIAT Panda and VW Beetle stuck in the sandwich. Aura Punk Cat is just an EV VW Beetle. Just, they didn't even try. Also, I happen to have driven quite a lot of Volvos post-Geely (all company cars, leased and changed every other year) and... *Jesus Christ almighty they're shoddy!* Yes, they're understated, they're subtle, but the bastards will creak and squeak every single meter you do because of badly-fitting pastics, idiotic construcion and all-round corner cutting taken to its utmost extreme: seriously, the cars were new and after a month the lights were already fogging up and you could have a stiff breeze coming through the doors when on the highway. My supervisor had the misfortune of getting t-boned by a Nissan Micra in Bologna at the marvellous speed of 30 kph... *and the XC30's panel was completely destroyed, with the central pillar bent inwards by almost 30 centimeters.* Seriously, with a slow impact by a Micra, on a car whose brand used to make veritable tanks on wheels.

[@kleanovodust-bin69]

Even VW Beetle ripped the design of the Tatra. Soo...?

[@kutter_ttl6786]

Damn shame about the quality of Volvo. My family used to own drive them in the 70s and 80s and they were such solid cars. Their bumbers especially were beefy and you could tell they would take all sorts of abuse and brush it off.

[@currentsitguy]

What a shame. I remember riding with someone I knew back in about 90 or 91 in his old used 240DL. We slid on the ice and hit a telephone pole. We got out, looked at the slight ding in the bumper, backed up, pulled out and kept going.

[@gabem.5242]

@@currentsitguy Exactly: old Volvos made you scared of crashing against them on the motorway because you'd know you surely would've gotten out of your own car by means of a body bag. Now? Only the best Chinesium the enslaved Uyghurs can provide.

[@gabem.5242]

​@@kleanovodust-bin69 You can still clearly distiguish the T26 and the Beetle though. Moot point.

[@nagizah8]

Chery is the fastest growing chinese automaker in south america and is aiming to become the first all-electric car maker in Brazil

[@OLDS98]

Well stated! You did a great job again. I enjoy your humor too. The western car companies should be worried. I watched the Japanese and now the Koreans do their thing. Now the Chinese are next.

[@adrielklein189]

Here in Brazil they're already very present, the most notable examples are Chery and JAC.

[@bradleypollack5658]

Same in Mexico.

[@yoranw4608]

*Leaning on your final quote,* I’d say much of auto industry history is based on the standards of each country’s culture: 1. The japanese are conservative and focused on quality. They took a long time, not making many risky choices and they have built quality and - most importantly - they have built a name. Wherever in the world you say “a japanese car” - unless you’re ignorant about automobiles - you will automatically link it to reliability. Something you can close your eyes and trust. 2. The koreans are more inovative. They make risky choices. But they did realize they would only improve if they went towards the japanese way. I lived in Brazil from 98 to 2013 and I consider Hyundai/Kia the very best example. They weren’t good in the 90s. They improved in 2000s and they launched a war of “low prices/high quality” in 2006 and foward. For example, a Hyunday Azera(toyota camry class, for those who don’t know it) was offered there, around 2008 for the same price of a Toyota Corolla. It was so shocking, people didn’t believe they were buying such cars for that good money. End of story: Hyundai and Kia, with many other products, made huge success and became respected. Their cars lasted. They still do. Now their prices have rocketed and they are almost at the same level of respect(and price) of japanese cars. 3. China focuses on dominance. Money. It has come from shitty quality to “considerably good enough to shock us”. But based on what I read, of failures here and there on reliability, I’ve always thought… “considering their locust mind, how much are the chinese up to get good or are they only willing to look good and fool people with the image of a quality they don’t have”? The “disposable car industry” mantra fell from heaven on the chinese. They produce “good cars”, but the industry itsef focuses on new stuff and it comes to a point vehicles are made to last for a shorter period of time and then nobody will want them, because technology advances so quickly that a 10 year old car looks like a 50 year old one; a dinosaur. On this line of thought, chinese only need to produce cars that work fine for 5, 7 years… then whatever, because nobody will wanna own them later, so “old they will be”. Now, ask hard working people, with short incomes and tight budgets for what cars they own or they wish to own… japanese. If you go to America and say “98 Camry”(now in 2022, 24 years after 1998), you certainly will attract attention. People know it is a good car. It may be old. It may be not even good anymore, but the name speaks for itself. And that all happens because the japanese have built a car to last 40 years or more(look at 80s Toyotas and Hondas). People say current japanese cars may not be good anymore. They use electronics, as every other car and the point is that electronics still frightens everyone, when it gets old. You see 15 year old Prius’ with half a million miles and running. Will we see the same on chinese in 2037(15 years from now)? *Time will tell.* *I see effort on the japanese. Smart moves on the koreans. But I still can’t see the locust philosophy away from the chinese.* Awesome video. Thanks for sharing!

[@flyguy437]

But a Prius (and Tesla) is essentially "totaled" when the battery wears out. I can confidently say there will be very few 15 year old electric cars on the road unless the price for replacement batteries comes way down.

[@quintessenceSL]

Here's the thing- you are comparing a 90s Japanese model to vehicles China is producing today. Europe, the US, and even Japan have been floundering, and are vague shells to what they were decades ago. And especially for European models- better trade it in before the warranty is up. China at this point only needs to make good enough at a decent price because the prestige of by-gone days will only get you so far.

[@Harv72b]

@@flyguy437 As more and more of these cars flood the market, the cost of replacement batteries will come down--there are simply more of them already out there, both in terms of new units manufactured for the car companies and used units available from otherwise totaled cars. I can't speak for everywhere, but here in a relatively affluent (though not hardly ridiculously rich) American suburb it's difficult to drive two miles without seeing at least one Tesla, while Priuses and other small hybrid/electric vehicles have become the cars of choice for ride-sharing and delivery drivers (and are still popular as family cars/commuters).

[@currentsitguy]

I completely agree. My 85 year old mom still drives her 98 Civic with less then 40,000 miles on it. It still looks like new. It still runs like new. It still even smells like new. It's pretty boring and primitive by today's standards, but it gets her from Point A to Point B, starts and runs perfectly every single time. How many EV's from any manufacturer, or country made today do you think will still be on the road 25 years from now?

[@directxxxx71]

You will soon though Fun facts: Oct 12 2022(Reuters) - BYD on Wednesday received a coveted five-star Euro NCAP safety rating for its electric ATTO 3 crossover SUV, the latest Chinese carmaker to receive top marks as it seeks to gain a foothold in Europe's competitive car market. The vehicle's driver assistance system - including one that moves the car to the slowest lane on a highway and brings it to a halt if the driver becomes unresponsive - made it the highest-scoring car so far for assisted-driving functions, Euro NCAP said. NCAP Crash & Safety test of BYD ATTO 3 👇👇👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYXLhZafbJVma5I Chinese cars with 5-stars European New Car Assessment Programme (NCAP) *Great Wall Motor WEY brand Coffee 01 hybrid SUV * Great Wall Motor ORA brand Funky Cat electric sedan *SAIC MG ZS ev *Nio ES8 >> Euro NCAP Crash & Safety Test of Wey Coffee 01 hybrid SUV 👇👇👇👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaSxm6OlltSIm8k >> Euro NCAP Crash & Safety Test of ORA Funky Cat 👇👇👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn27mXijp5qZfKM >> Euro NCAP Crash & Safety Test of MG ZS ev 👇👇👇👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHy0daR5qdidbKM >> Euro NCAP Crash & Safety Test of Nio ES8 👇👇👇👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWKTq2WnlKyCqZI

[@trenier23]

Agreed, Ed may be the most entertaining channel (s) on KZbin.

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

MG, Rover and Volvo being owned by Chinese companies is like having a creepy intruder wear the skin of your family member over their face, it's horrendously repulsive.

[@jakekaywell5972]

I wonder what you have to say about the American-owned Vauxhall and UK Ford, then.

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

@@jakekaywell5972 The US and UK are like father and son.

[@jakekaywell5972]

@@HeortirtheWoodwarden So its perfectly fine when American companies own European automotive marques but its wrong when Chinese companies do it? Heck of a double standard there.

[@patreed7966]

Nothing important to say other than thank you I really enjoy your videos very funny and informative thank you again

[@kenwood8359]

Elect is not Green.

[@longostrechos]

VW Santana was really something in Brazil! Reliable and strong! Volkswagen is not the same anymore!

[@goddamnfuturama]

I've been driving a MG zs ev for 6 months now. I know it's a cheap Chinese car. It lacks some basic features bit it takes me from point A to point B really cheaply.

[@austinformedude]

More cars, doesn't mean better cars. They are crapping out poor copies and original garbage.

[@nicelol5241]

every car looks alike in these years, it’s not a copy, everyone copies each other lol

[@freetolook3727]

"What the Japanese did in 30 years, the Koreans did in 20, and the communist Chinese did in 10." Does that include safety and reliability. The VW bug was anything but safe back in the 1970's but it was what I could afford and now shudder to think about driving or riding in one!😂

[@autopathos]

Just look up for MG HS, Nio ES8, Aiways, Lynk&Co EuroNCAP tests that tested for european standards and see for yourself

[@MetalTrabant]

Geely bought Volvo, they have the technology now...

[@freetolook3727]

But, they're not American safety standards which are more stringent.

[@P_RO_]

@@freetolook3727 Which is why cars cost so much here in the US. Of what use to you is a car you can't afford? And how many people do you know whose lives were saved by that higher standard versus say the EU one? I'm for safe cars but we've gone too far in mandating them to the nth degree. When a very repairable 5 year old car gets totaled in a crash due to airbag replacement costs something is very wrong with the picture.

[@GridnetGaming]

pakistan, known for having the big 3 (toyota honda suzuki) monopolize the car industry for decades have now become more diverse with korean cars such as kia daewoo and hyundai, and even chinese cars (faw and some others but mainly for utility trucks or buses)

[@eggshellskullrule7971]

The newer 2.0 petrol Volvo turbo engines r designed not to last. That happened to Toyota 2.4 petrol engines on the Previa and the Camry too. They all use softer piston rings and lowest viscosity oils such as 0w/20 to achieve the ever more stringent California and Euro emissions standards. I can’t blame the Chinese engineers alone to mimic the Japanese to do the same. After all, the German VAG made deliberately false fuel consumption figures in the 2010’s to pass test requirements in the USA. The problem is why all that tech transfer contracts have been happening between the CCP and the west? That shouldn’t hv happened in the first place. Give years of zillion $ research efforts away free? Beyond me in the first place after all. Call Elon Musk a genius? No. Not when he expanded his Shanghai Tesla factory in 2022 during the height of the epidemics.

[@jimurrata6785]

The Shanghai plant expansion was planned long before Covid. Inertia being what it is what do you expect to do when contracts are signed and materials and tooling are incoming?

[@Ganjatraining]

You're so right about those horrible engines. How on earth would a turbocharged, supercharged hybrid powertrain with tonnes of emissions tech and cheapo cost-cutting plastic everywhere possibly last for more than 10 years without having to spend thousands trying to keep it running. I'll just stick with 90s japanese quality

[@autopathos]

It wasn't "for free", it was for incredible profit selling in China, huge savings by making some components of ostensibly European or else brands there at a lower cost and in the cases in which there was tech transfer, it tended to be many more times the cost it would have by other countries. The governments of ever so greedy producing countries have a hard time trying to confront big industry lobbies when they try to stop this happening.

[@jimurrata6785]

@@eggshellskullrule7971_I_ don't have _any_ contract. And I don't know who Tesla was contracted with for construction, infrastructure equipment, or subassemblies. They are making money and on the mark to sell over a million cars this year. It wasn't "a stupid move" on their part. Obviously Tesla wanted a part of a market that makes up 1/8 of the world population _and_ wanted access to the LiFePo⁴ battery technology. Those model 3's are exported here as well.

[@雅君墨客-i9z]

Tesla would have died if it hadn't been for the industrial system of building factories in China where Tesla was on the verge of bankruptcy and relying on China's complete industrial supply chain. Tesla, with 95% of its parts provided by the Chinese mainland, will become 100% fully Chinese. It is the leader of new energy vehicles and the only company in the world with complete three-power technology, and DMi stands alone in the world. Tesla patents more than one hundred and thirty, others BYD more than ten thousand points excuse me who is stealing who? At present, the world's largest source of new energy vehicles technology is China, China's new energy vehicle patent applications account for 66.79% of the total number of new energy vehicle patent applications in the world; The number of new energy vehicle patent applications in Japan accounted for 11.82% of the total number of new energy vehicle patent applications in the world. South Korea, the United States and Germany ranked 7.38%,6.42% and 2.98% of the world's new energy vehicle patent applications, respectively.

[@patriciosilva1969]

Brilliant observer and storyteller, thanks Ed.

[@PoyimaMedia]

15:10 thats Argentina, we arent that ignored, we have factories for some of the biggest brands in the world. Chinese cars started to appear but since the first brand Tiggo appeared it tainted chinese cars for been just bad not really cheap cars. DFM did good with they truck and compact van line up but thats all. Most people still loyal to the brand they parents used to buy even if they know nothing about cars (only reason Peugeot, Renault and Citroen still sell they crap). The payment options all brands offer are the reason they sell and not the Chinese because most people can't go a pay full price and does who can just go and buy top of the lines cars mostly. Lastly, the gov is shit and the cost to just import goods makes this cheap ass cars en up costing double or triple because the fucked up laws we have

[@autopathos]

Y cruzando los Andes, como también en Perú, Ecuador y Colombia hay muchos autos chinos. De hecho, acá en Chile ya llegan con las cosas más recientes y ufff ese primer Tiggo ya quedó muy atrás. Pero Ed no parece ser un tipo muy de mundo y una imagen del Obelisco le bastó para decir "mexicanos del tercer mundo" o algo así, cuando hay amplia información en inglés incluso sobre el mercado argentino y brasileño que tienen sus propias industrias y plantas de compañías extranjeras que fabrican autos por y para sus mercados.

[@ALWH1314]

All the videos on Chinese EV growth emphasize “government subsidy”, I bought my Tesla in 2017 and got a healthy tax refund credit a state rebate in US (almost $10k), and I get to drive in car pool lane by myself. Chinese is not doing anything different from US.