What Is Southern Conservatism? | Alan Harrelson

[@tonyseiber55]

Greetings from a fellow South Carolinian who has had to leave his beloved homeland to seek a better life. I appreciate your work Mr. Harrelson.

[@davide9658]

Interesting discussion. I'm a 14th generation Southerner with ancestors who fought for the CSA as well as in the Revolution. I've always been proud of my background. I have to say I agree with much of what Dr. Harrelson said. Insofar as his accent is concerned, I see many comments doubting it genuineness. Sounds good to me. He mentioned being an admirer of Shelby Foote. Did you consider his accent somehow fake? That's just how some folks speak down South.

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

Footes accent sounds natural.

[@lawrencesmith43]

Thank you both and ISI for the work that you do and your contributions to thinking men and women. Thank you especially for inviting Dr. Harrelson to have a conversation with you about Southern Conservatism. I'm from the Midwest, and my ancestors fought for Grant. Almost two centuries later, and after a career in the US military, my wife and I have found intellectual, political, and spiritual refuge in the South. Vivo Cristo Rey!

[@JamesVass-qx3gg]

Absolutely wonderful. Good to see that there are still people like Dr. Harrelson around who are not afraid to tell the truth. Glad to call him a fellow Kentuckian.

[@ianfrye7900]

Last comment I swear haha just wanted to point out how great that disagreement over Lincoln was handled. The male interviewer was perfectly tactful and inoffensive (and surprisingly not offended) by the suggestion that Lincoln was perhaps not the conservative hero he is made out to be. Great job!

[@josephwurzer4366]

The issue in Lincoln in the end that Defeated Secession is that a large swath of the South said HOLD ON! We want the 🇺🇸! What the heck did Lincoln Do besides win an Election by the rules! -If Lincoln took office & then Pushed POSTMASTERS to not be locals. -A Sectional Cabinet. -Pushed to Exclude Slavery from the Western territories. -Use federal Teiops & Marshall’s to UNDERMINE SLAVERY IN THR STATES TAT THEY ALREADY WERE IN. Also HE mention JEFFERSON, HAMILTON. ???? ABOUT THE MADISONS. LINCOLNS. WASHINGTON. ANDREW JACKSON. HENRY ClAY. ZACHARY TAYLOR. WINFIELD SCOTT. SEPHAN A DOUGLASS. Harry Lee light UNIONISTS ALL!. Conservative Southerners and friends of them.

[@williamhampton2366]

It is funny, neither Lincoln nor anyone in his time would have called him nor his party "conservative." In point of fact, the Republicans quite commonly referred to their political opponents during the war and Reconstruction as "conservatives" standing in the way of progress. We have to remember, the feminist movement and Progressive movement sprang from the abolitionist wing of that party.

[@johnweber4577]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@williamhampton2366Lincoln made a name for himself as a member of the explicitly conservative Whig Party and actually did state on a number occasions that his understanding of the Republican Party and its purpose was also as such. Most famously discussing it in his Cooper Union Speech which is what secured him the party’s presidential nomination in 1860. Now, I would agree that it would be a wild oversimplification to just label them conservative at the time as a whole based on his opinion on the matter alone given that they were truly a big tent party once you got past the debates about slavery and secession. Unless we’re going to define political categories entirely along those lines. Though, by that point, it should be noted that terms like “conservative”, “moderate” and “radical” were very often used not to represent formal ideologies but rather as descriptors with respect to stances on particular issues, slavery and Reconstruction to be precise in this case, or in other places as modifiers showing where political actor stood relative to their party’s specific center of gravity. People were generally not in favor of or opposed to change in the abstract practically for their own sake. These factors contributes to why there were subsequent turns which confound modern observers. For instance, Radical Republicans tended to become the traditional Stalwarts during the Gilded Age as different concerns moved to the forefront which lingered on as a term denoting for the party’s conservative-wing well into the twentieth century including by Robert La Follette’s Progressive Insurgents in Wisconsin. On the flip side, many Moderate Republicans gravitated toward the anti-Grant breakaway Liberal Republican Party and then regrouped as the intra-party Half-Breeds who attracted the college-educated new blood joining the party. Counterintuitive as it might be, that explains why black Republicans largely remained aligned with the Old Right faction of the party until the population slided decisively into the Democratic column. Their representatives among the biracial Black-and-Tans even supported the fairly orthodox Tafts, William Howard and Robert Alphonso, over the more progressive Theodore Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower whose campaigns appealed to their white supremacist Lily-White rivals instead. The main lesson to draw from all this being how the history behind these words and events is not as straightforward as most seem to believe.

[@mikereese15]

Love listening to Dr. Harrelson

[@thereformedpiper]

Probably the best guest youve had on the podcast and best topic as well. The "conservative movement" needs more of this understanding if it wants to survive.

[@StamperTamper]

It’s not going to survive because at the moment it’s dependant on false history and sheer ignorance. Dr Harrelson will lead you to folly, just like his ancestors did over going to war to preserve slavery.

[@tmbgator2]

Congratulations on your 100th video! I can’t believe you’ve already made 100 videos. I was first introduced to you with your first video with George Bruno. I have been a huge fan ever since. I just purchased one of your pipes. I’m looking forward to your tobacco blend fellow Catholic, lover of the leaf and barrel, I wish you all the best. Keep up the great work.

[@cliffordbates]

The role of Lincoln in derailing the Constitution that Bradford defended also was found earlier to Willmoore Kendall. Check out Kendall and Carey Political Symbols of the American Political Tradition. Kendall was Bill Buckley's teacher at Yale and helped shaped his political character.

[@joshwells4280]

I'm from South Alabama and he is definitely churching up that accent...

[@bumpkinskill]

Yup

[@lindsaykimbrough8260]

I have found this flavor accent in central Mississippi and SC with minor differences. These birds are still around. The accent is dying though.

[@s.e.hamilton3132]

Yes, way over the top. Speaks like 80+years ago. Can’t take him serious. 😂

[@lindsaykimbrough8260]

Not saying he ain’t goosin’ it a little, but his base accent, the lack of some “r”at the end of words, the classic reverse British English ebb and flow but drawn out ect. Listening a little bit of his earlier videos.

[@Sam-mu5xh]

He justn't isn't a redneck. SC still is isolated enough and honor their heritage, the old accents still are somewhat hanging on. Oh yes, they are very different from a lot of the south. I would put him near Columbia to maybe beginning of Orangeburg. The educated people decended from the planter class speak differently. My ex-wife's family from Bama and Georgia would always have something to say about the way we speak. God forbid they would have heard my old kinfolk..

[@appaedde]

Foghorn Leghorn I Say

[@StamperTamper]

You nailed it. That’s what he’s called in our pipe community.

[@angusorvid8840]

Spring has sprung.

[@worldsawayx]

@@StamperTamper "in our pipe community" I'm sure you're in more than one pipe community

[@David-fo6oy]

Lincoln and most moderates at the time leading up to the war were more than willing to allow slavery to continue to exist were it was originally instituted, indeed, the very constitution protected the vile institution of slavery in the original southern states. It was the fact that the south was trying to expand slavery into the new western territories that was the problem. Instead of just letting slavery die out, the south was trying to give it new life. This was already leading to violence in Kansas and Missouri. So yes the war was about slavery and the idea of what this county would become as it expanded west. If the south did not insist on bringing slavery to the territories, the civil war would most likely never had happened. Incidentally, old Jef Davis started exerting quite a few federalist policies himself toward the end of the war, notably his confederacy wide draft and numerous economic policies. So, from the mouth of a proud New Englander who makes his living from the land, I say, you can take your southern nostalgia and shove in your pipe and smoke it! Good day, sir.

[@StamperTamper]

Well said, I’m with you, but there’s one misconception I’d like to friendly put to rest. Lincoln wasn’t going to allow slavery where it existed. He wrestled with the idea if the country voted to keep slavery he would have had to enforce it as part of the democratic process. The reason why he didn’t have a referendum or a direct vote on the matter is because he knew it might fail and he’ll have to enforce slavery nationwide. That was unthinkable to him and even to me. Imagine having to strip the rights from the non slave states, take free black persons and put them back in chains. Do you think free men would go along with that or would they fight? That’s a sure way to start a civil war don’t you think? Both sides were already running raids across state lines and leaving it up to the states meant it would sure continue. Some raided and fought to free slaves while other did it to bring them back. It had to stop and required federal intervention. Lincoln and many others like him knew taking away freedoms would definitely lead to war and the only road to peace was through abolition. It was a smart move. They didn’t like where he was going and the confederacy broke faith too soon and rebelled against the democratic process. The Civil War is on them. Once abolition was passed it gave the confederacy no more reason to fight and it ended the war on its heels.

[@thepipecottage3301]

You clearly can’t write well. Do you have any experience or credentials in this subject?

[@StamperTamper]

⁠​⁠@@thepipecottage3301I have cognitive dysfunction from my military service. I’ve lost the ability to write and speak as a matter of fact and I’m surprised I can keep this up. I don’t need any credentials in the subject because we are on KZbin. More importantly! What is a man with a PHD in History doing here? Shouldn’t you be contributing to a peer review magazine? Or is there a reason you refuse to operate at the academic level. You said yourself, Academia is going down the drain because they won’t let you talk about Southern History without including slavery. They are so interconnected, they are one and the same and you want to beat around that bush. Tell us why Alan?

[@pisalate]

Northerners wanted the West to be the same as it was up North, >99% white. It’s really that simple. The Abolitionists were a tiny minority. The overwhelming majority of the North was anti-South, not anti-slavery/Abolitionist. Lincoln wanted power by any means necessary, and he got what he wanted.

[@StamperTamper]

⁠@@pisalatewhen I hear crap like this I think” my grand pappy taught me”……….The North was anti south, they hated farmers and all they cared about was money. They South was going to abolish slavery on its own in good time. They started the war of “Northern Aggression” because they wanted to rule over the us and tell us what to do. States Rights, states rights. What a joke!

[@TG-fy3ew]

I am not great student of history. My mind was opened at about the 34:42 time mark in this video. I have never heard this history about Buchanan nor realized just what Lincoln actually did in regards to his power or his constitutional lack there of.

[@Honeybadger_525]

Dr. Harrelson, regardless of how legitimate the South's reason's for trying to secede from the Union may have been, the Constitution is very clear on this matter: States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States. That was settled in 1789 when it was been ratified and adopted. Lincoln was simply acting as he was intended to under the Constitution and enforcing it. The "agrarian society" the south was fighting maintain, would not have been possible or economically viable without the practice of slavery in the first place. You can't divorce these two issues when discussing southern history as they are deeply interrelated.

[@williamhampton2366]

Wow. What part of the Constitution makes this "very clear"? What article? Is that part of the "good and plenty clause"? The left certainly agrees with every point you make. Of course, they like you, are wrong. The agrarian society he is talking about was actually dominated by yeomen farmers--independent farmers who generally owned a couple of hundred acres. They were neither rich nor poor...I suppose one would call them the middle class. The majority of them owned no or only a few slaves. It is true that the upper class of the South benefited from and were wealthy because of staple crop production. But he is talking about something that goes beyond economics. He is talking about an agricultural people rooted in blood and soil. It is a heck of a lot more complicated than simply "muh slavery."

[@StamperTamper]

@@williamhampton2366”Blood and Soil” I’ve heard these chants before. Oh yes, you just let the cat outta the bag!

[@AmericanImperium2112]

I'm not here to talk about past secessionist movements, but I wouldn't mind see strong and autonomous regional blocks like The South, New England, etc. in an America that's been reformed in a decentralized commonwealth.

[@StamperTamper]

@@AmericanImperium2112So you like the notion of breaking up the country?

[@AmericanImperium2112]

@@StamperTamper Not at all. It wouldn't be balkanization. The Federal government would still be in charge of the military and Foreign policy. I just believe that most things should be handled on the local level and I believe in preserving what's left of Regional Cultures. I’m not from the south, I’m a Yankee in Pennsylvania.

[@markwallace1251]

Thank you friends

[@abbevilleinst]

Since Dr. Harrelson mentioned our organization and offered a critique, we invite you to see what we are really doing at the Abbeville Institute. Dr. Harrelson has not kept up with our programs, in-person conferences, or educational material. We are not entirely online as he suggested, though we do offer online webinars, summer schools, and educational material at our Academy. I guess the conferences we have held over the last several years were attended by mannequins. We also wonder where Dr. Harrelson would be without the Internet. Certainly not as popular. His "Pipe Cottage" is ONLINE. Notice that he mentions "followers". Where are these followers, Dr. Harrelson? ONLINE. Alan has grown his following ONLINE. No one would know who Alan is unless he had an ONLINE business selling pipe tobacco. As others have mentioned, they found the Institute through our free online offerings. Again, please see what we have to offer and come be a part of our mission to explore what is true and valuable in the Southern tradition. We have been doing this for over 20 years, and are the only registered 501(c)3 doing this valuable work.

[@StamperTamper]

That’s funny, I thought you guys liked Dr Harrelson? Your assessment is spot on and he’d be nothing without the internet. However, doesn’t he write for you? Doesn’t the Abbeville Institute push the Lost cause, the South is oppressed narrative? What’s your stance on slavery? Alan, hates to talk about it and says Academia is going down the drain to reinforce his arguments, but won’t provide any of his peer review material. Is your institute friendly to the LGBTO community? Alan calls them Demonic Filth. Do you agree with him on these matters? I’m just wondering because the man has done damage to all of your reputations.

[@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr]

@@StamperTamper The Abbeville Institute does not push any cause in so far as it has any agenda outside of countering activists in academia who have made it appear that the South has revolved around chattel slavery. I've attended an Abbeville Institute conference, and there is no defense of slavery only an attempt to understand the institution, how it functioned, why it existed, etc. In so far as LGBT issues, I haven't noted that the institute has taken a position on it. Although understand that many, not all, but many of those who attend their events often come from socially conservative backgrounds. Having said that if I had a gay friend who was legitimately interested in the Southern tradition I would not hesitate to take them with me to an event. I have attended other conservative events and conferences, and the Abbeville Institute is doing incredible work. The events are always interesting and great fun. When everyone else has dropped the ball, the Institute presses on and continues to impress.

[@StamperTamper]

@@NicoleWilliams-pk9jr Thanks for your response. However, why would an institute counter “activists” in academia around chattel slavery? What is there to understand? It’s not complicated to understand human bondage was wrong and there is no justification for it. Do you realize Alaxander Stephens said slavery will be the cornerstone of the confederacy and the ensuing Jim Crow laws make it quite clear they loved it and obviously hated black persons would be now equal to them. They thought gods plan and as far as I’m concerned the Abbeville institute muddies the waters. I just read an article over there about Bedford Forrest and he calls him a knight-errant and completely fails to mention he founded the KKK. The author made him out to be a hero. What kind of history telling is that? I’ll tell you what kind. The one sided kind that wants to pull the blanket over your eyes. As long they keep it up, the South will never heal. You have to embrace it, own it, make amends and move on. The Abbeville Institute does no justice for black people this way. Sorry, I’m not convinced and it’s obvious who has dropped the ball and the Abbeville institutes certainly peddles the lost cause narrative.

[@Dr.AlanHarrelson]

I stand by my statement that this institute is failing. It was once good, but it is not as capable any longer. One example of this lack of capability is that someone operating as "The Abbeville Institute" is hiding their identity while criticizing me personally. Who is the "we" in your comment, Mr. Abbeville Institute? Or maybe its Mrs? Institutes seldom get things done. Individual people do, who may eventually choose to institutionalize themselves to like-minded people. I don't hold with anyone, or in this case the undisclosed "we," who disguises themselves as an institute chastising me personally. Cowardice and churlish behavior. Not worthy of respect, not even the attention given by my reply. I just wasted 5 minutes of my life to write this.

[@StamperTamper]

@@Dr.AlanHarrelson @abbevilleinst. Honestly, I think this is great, just great. I’ll make popcorn now. I like watching conservatives go at each other, it’s like a snake devouring itself.

[@bradbarnes1839]

Greetings from Rome, Georgia - Brad Barnes

[@lindsaykimbrough8260]

My question for the guest is what influence the Haitian revolution on US politics both north and south.

[@StamperTamper]

This is a very good question. I spent five months in Haiti when I was in the Army. There’s much to discuss about their situation and how it came about. Unfortunately, not too many people care and the world continues to look the other way.

[@lindsaykimbrough8260]

Dan Carlin’s hardcore history episode Human Resources raises some questions.

[@thomasjorge4734]

No successful Haitian Revolution, no failed Napoleonic Expedition. No failed Napoleonic Expedition, no Lousiana Purchase. No Lousiana Purchase, no Missouri Compromise. No Missouri Compromise, no Kansas-Nebraska Act. No Kansas-Nebraska Act, no Republican Party. No Republican Party, no Secession Crisis.

[@thomasjorge4734]

No successful Haitian Revolution, no failed French Invasion. No failed French Invasion, no Louisiana Purchase. No Lousiana Purchase, no Missouri Compromise. No Missouri Compromise, no Kansas-Nebraska Act. No Kansas-Nebraska Act, no Reupublican Party. No Republican Party, no 1860 Secession Crisis. ,

[@ianfrye7900]

I’m not sure I agree about institutions having a diminished impact because they are exclusively online. I actually first encountered many of these things about Southern tradition from the Abbeville Institute (on KZbin and their website). I think they have been doing a good job and I know that many other people feel the same way.

[@StamperTamper]

Doing a good job of trying to hide their ancestors motivations to go to war to keep slavery. 👍

[@ppettit]

it is quite rich for the good doctor to say he disagrees with online education when 99% of us discovered the good doctor online!

[@johnweber4577]

A thoughtful conservatism should seek to conserve what is good rather than just assume the good in whatever it conserves. And it ought to maintain order so virtue can flourish instead of invoking virtue simply to impose order.

[@chipcook5346]

True. Still, just that fact that a tradition and the thoughts behind it persist means it works, however poorly. Better than than burning everything down without a reasonably hopeful alternative or two to replace it. Look at Libya. Look at Iraq. Look at San Francisco.

[@johnweber4577]

@@chipcook5346 I agree that functioning tradition is generally the better option than destructive radicalism, but I do think there is a place for cautious gradual change, especially if it is in ways that are more in keeping with the culture’s core values. To my mind, society ought to be fine tuned and repaired rather than scrapped and replaced. And doing none of the former would also inevitably lead to something like a car, say, to breaking down eventually.

[@chipcook5346]

@@johnweber4577 I agree. There is even reason for something more radical sometimes, just far less frequently.

[@thomasjorge4734]

"I have been teaching History in many forms . . ." Once as an Anti-Federalist Tobacco Farmer arguing with Mr. Alexander Hamilton. Another time as a Whig considering Compromise and as a Colonel at Gettysburg. There was also that other time as an advisor on the set of Gone With The Wind. And finally bringing a Pipe over to Russell Kirk when William Buckley came over. Ah, that harpsicord!

[@JBryanHughes]

I recently began Liberty Online seeking a BS in History: unfortunate that I will miss having Dr. Harrelson.

[@edmoore]

You'll get no shortage of BS from them.

[@Ram-dq1gq]

Tamper hamper leftist

[@seadog223]

I greatly enjoyed this discussion. It helped me understand the defining points of Southern Conservatism. My only criticism is that the discussion never explored the Southern Conservative view of slavery. It seems to be that Southern Conservatives do not view slavery as a moral issue which seems to be the sticking point in today’s political discourse. Would love to hear Alan’s view.

[@StamperTamper]

Shhh! Don’t mention slavery around Alan. He has said in the videos he makes he will turn his back and walk away from you if you bring up slavery as a cause of the Civil War. He peddles white supremacy ideals and he sure as heck won’t answer you.

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

slavery was not considered a moral issue, it was an economic one.

[@Ozgipsy]

That was just remarkable. 😳

[@robertdenning2304]

So very true!!! My friend...

[@prolelog]

I live in the South and I have never heard of this kind of accent, seems really put on.

[@chasehamm4467]

come to SC and get an hour away from Charleston. People legitimatly speak this way.

[@prolelog]

@@chasehamm4467 I’ve been, I’ve heard the drawl but nothing as corny as this.

[@cellospot]

He sounds like Will Harris.

[@edmoore]

It is, he's a fraud. You can even go to his youtube channel and compare his first videos to his contemporary ones. His accent is as genuine as his scholarship.

[@KO-fx8bp]

I listen to a British group of guys, "The Lotus Eaters".....even they understand the ramifications of the North winning the Civil War. One even went so far as to say "the wrong side won" and no one on the panel disagreed. Consider what world we might be living in if we continued to be (as thought of since the founding of the colonies until 1860) THESE United States instead of THE United States. We would be more connected to our immediate community and the richness of each state's heritage would have been preserved, instead we have this banal monoculture. Extra bonus no FBI or CIA and a much smaller IRS! Slavery would have died a natural death as the industrial revolution took off very possibly with much less racial strife. Thank you to ISI for being open to having a discussion with Dr Harrelson, we need to revisit the idea of State's Rights as understood in 1787 or we will be moving from an authoritarian central US government to an authoritarian Global government by the alphabet soup of the three lettered unelected bureaucratic "institutions". History from primary sources and commentaries outside of the standard Trotsky/Hegelian contagion taught at all levels of our education system must be sought after like hidden treasure. All trolls will be ignored.

[@LicardoDeBousee]

🤣🤣😂

[@ppettit]

​@LicardoDeBousee except for the pesky issue of slavery

[@jordanlight9996]

I’m from the southwest and not the south. But my observation is that Dr.Harrellson is quite correct in his statements and his perspective on the changing nature of the us government was shared by European observers of the civil war.

[@StamperTamper]

Which European observers? Do you have any reference’s to your claim?

[@jordanlight9996]

@@StamperTamper lord actin is the most famous. Pope Pius IX is probably the second most famous. Countries that were sympathetic/allied to the American South included France (Napoleon III), the Canadian gov at that time, Mexico government, and the Netherlands. That was almost 20 years ago during my undergrad that I was exposed to this so I’m rusty.

[@StamperTamper]

@@jordanlight9996 I’ve been looking and from what I can tell, it’s shaping up to be be yet another confederate myth. What I found was the European countries were pissed they couldn’t get their cotton and their textile industries suffered. Those rich merchants complained to their Royalty to do something about it. They had their own micro aggressions against race but slavery was banned in their countries, but took advantage of the US slave market. They enjoyed the cheap cotton from the South, but they never sided with them because they were smart enough to know they would be on the wrong side of history.

[@libbyd1001]

Occasionally, when I talk with people who are extolling the virtues of Abraham Lincoln, and who support his reasons for war against the South, they usually include his (wrongfully presumed) stance against slavery. The look on their faces reveal their ignorance when they learn that in his letter to Horace Greeley, Lincoln wrote, "...My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union..." (see also The Real Lincoln book by Thomas DiLorenzo). Yes, I am against all forms of slavery. I'm talking about the ignorance of people schooled in the public school system, brainwashed to accept the approved narrative on U.S. history, of which this is but one small example.

[@gitmehere1]

NOBODY TALKS LIKE THAT!!!!

[@johnbarker2033]

I know. What a boob.

[@BrianPerez-rk4sh]

Everybody talks like that. Get out more.

[@travhammer]

I call the Santee swamps my home. I'm guessing ur guest is Low Country raised, which is agrarian South Carolina. I tried online studies, found my roots at Clemson Extension instead

[@Sam-mu5xh]

I would put him Columbia to maybe beginning of Sumter/Orangeburg.. I have swamp blood in my veins as well. I know how we speak, and yes, the older accents are dying out.

[@sosborne]

Wade Hampton saying in 1865 that the United States died is the Eric Andre shooting Hannibal Buress meme: “Why did the North do this?” (after we seceded, rebelled, and fired the first shot on Sumpter).

[@TheGreatness-gg1jx]

Interesting arguments, particularly about Jefferson's views on national size. Jefferson's ironies are legendary. The man most responsible for our massive growth says in a final letter that we should be smaller and divided. You gotta love it. True Self-Government, republican style, can be achieved without national division. That's why we have States. The solution is more Direct power in the hands of the people at the local level. Not just a vote every few years but a hanging threat over the heads of elected officials......Tree of Liberty style. Mr Harrelson seems to be stuck in the late 1700s with his ideas about the meaning of the word American. Even then, overt and imperious American Nationalism was alive and very well as seen in the legendary lives of Stephen Decatur, Robert Stockton, and even in Jefferson himself and his views and decisions about the Barbary pirates. Mr. Harrelson seems to desire a return to the regionalism, or at least he insists on using regional differences from those early decades to justify his views. Jefferson's late ideas about national size and executive power were proven wrong by the Madison administration that Jefferson's ideas about national size and Executive powers were wrong. And I say that as someone who is fundamentally a Jeffersonian. Madison also was prepared to send troops to Connecticut when secession talk was at an all-time high in New England. By the time of the Jackson-Clay rivalry the idea of a smaller or divided America was a complete non-starter. Both Jackson and Clay saw the future necessities of the nation were in expansion and integration, they just differed on how that should be achieved. And we all know about Jackson's views on "states-rights" vs the Union. History has proven the absolute necessity of a large, fully integrated America as being not only the key to domestic prosperity but also to saving the world from absolute barbarism. Jackson knew perhaps more than anyone that the world was shrinking rapidly and in those decades the balance of power was an open door: anyone could step through it.

[@TheTunnellTake]

Alan was at his absolute best here. 😊😊😊

[@StamperTamper]

You got that right! Alan is the best at peddling revisionist history.

[@gc-vz4ib]

@@StamperTamper All of history is revisionist and all history is blind to opinion, informed or uninformed, whether that opinion be yours or mine. "Historians in England will say I'm a liar. But history is written by those who have hanged heroes." Robert the Bruce, king of Scotland

[@StamperTamper]

@@gc-vz4ibSure, history is revised as new information comes to light. What’s going on here is ​​revisionist history about the civil war. The Confederates, their sympathizers have been revising history since the end of the war to hide their intentions from new generations. The war was about slavery and people like Harrelson want it to be ignored. By doing so they drown out black history and make themselves the real hero’s. It all BS and isn’t how you tell history.

[@zackf5120]

Interesting conversation. Thank you. His accent sounds like he could be Frank Underwood’s son.

[@josewales6556]

Love your perspective

[@johnweber4577]

When people are discussing Southern conservatism, they are usually either talking about classical Jeffersonian liberalism or Neo-Confederate reactionism. In any case, as a conservative with a somewhat more pessimistic realist bent to his way of thinking, I don’t have much time for a philosophy that seems to be based mostly on romanticized nostalgia.

[@childrenoftheashes4679]

The Southern tradition can provide a fruitful basis for the formulation of identity and political conscience that leads back to the Old World and into more European and power-oriented forms of rightist thinking. It is also the case, as Sam Francis observed, that these southerners understood better than anyone else in the American political tradition the 'essence' of the conservative position. You are right, however, that the prospects for classical liberalism are virtually extinguished and that engagement with thinkers such as John Taylor is less beneficial now that the American project itself is likely lost for good.

[@davewilson6313]

I've never understood the covering of a woman's hair as an act of modesty until now. That is the most distracting, hypnotizing head of hair I've ever laid eyes on.

[@Southern_Agrarian1930]

Well done, Dr. Harrelson! Love the long brunette hair on Marlo.

[@cassellino]

Are you familiar with Brion McClanahan? Seems like you guys have some overlap

[@DiscoDave3]

Alan Harrelson has spoken at the Abbeville Institute's lecture series so yes, he knows Brion.

[@yankeecornbread8464]

U.S. history is now written and distributed by the children of Ellis Island. My library is full of those books.

[@downinthecypressswamp2234]

This guy knows what he’s talking about

[@StamperTamper]

He sure does! Especially if you’re the type of person who thinks it’s just smashingly great Dr Harrelson has named his son after his hero and favourite president 🙄 Jefferson Davis. 👍

[@deanhendrix3179]

That is the most dramatic and fake SC accent I have ever heard. This is from a 61 year SC resident. This is the type of yahoo who is interviewed after a tornado

[@ProfessorWalker]

Yep

[@chipcook5346]

Of course, Lincoln violated the Constitution. The only thing that redeems him is that unlike other dictators, he stopped. I suspect there are those who would say, yes, that's true, when he stopped breathing. But I mean before, when he was still alive. If you got raised in mid-20th Century ideas of the South, the North, the War, you got a very different understanding of what what up than almost anyone at the time was thinking. (I have no idea if they learn a thing, much less anything honest in the 2020s.) If you started reading the history, you either had to alter your ideas or live in perpetual dissonance. This is just a comment, but to sum it up, in my consideration, Lincoln went from near the top of the list to near the bottom. As for accents. I have a lifelong problem. Whenever I hear an accent I like, I copy it. The problem is intensified when I drink. I also fade into and out of them and not by conscious will. When I was young, I found this embarrassing. Once I was well into middle age, I gave up and just made it a merit badge on my goofy ass. Also, after half a lifetime in the Midwest, I moved back to the Sourth in 2023 -- and the South no longer sounds like the South. Birmingham sounds like Midwestern newscasters. But, as my sister says, when the kids get riled up, the twang is back. Maybe he's all riled up. Could it be that the man affecting the accent suffers from a similar mental affliction to mine? Or he's going to be in a movie and he's just practicing? Or accents have just gotten so jacked up that they will never be right again?

[@joncerda351]

I wish the guy had led the entire interview

[@rogerwelsh2335]

Is this host trying to replicate a 19th century accent. I’ve never heard an accent like this except in movies

[@alexandreaharrelson3569]

It’s real.

[@StamperTamper]

@@alexandreaharrelson3569Hi Alex. Did you guys really name your son after Jefferson Davis as Alan likes to tell people?

[@LicardoDeBousee]

Almost as bad as Stephen Lang’s attempts at trying to portray Stonewall Jackson’s accent in the “Lost Cause” neo-Confederate revisionist joke of a film “Gods and Generals”.

[@ianfrye7900]

Lincoln used his idea of “equality” as he saw it in the throwaway line from the Declaration of Independence in order to undermine the self-determination of the states. He and other Republicans thought that some ethereal “higher law” (as Seward put it) entitled them to ignore the constitution and do whatever they wished, finding supposed justifications in founding documents by misinterpreting various words and phrases taken out of context. The states who seceded did so via democratic means and often with substantial majorities. Lincoln undermined democracy in a big way by thwarting them.

[@StamperTamper]

It was not a democratic process. If anything, it was a rejection of such process. There is nothing written in the constitution which allows its own destruction. When the constitution was signed by all thirteen colonies, they became one indivisible nation. The United States of America.

[@KnottsAndPipes]

Nice video mate! God bless 🙏

[@williammoran4898]

Just wanna say thank you for this. As a southern born son, a lover of history, a eejector of propagandized history. I value this highly. Its the only way to ensure the true history lives. Unionist succesfully brainwashed using govt indoctrination centers to twach natratives to support a empire that was never supposed to be , over the truth. Id love to here this gentlemans reply to one wuestion thou. In the modern south as he stated one can be conservative but nit a soythern conservative it seems in my studies southern consevatism is in fact libertarian in the modern incantation for more so than republican. It went republicam trying to maintain some power in a nation that went to war to limit its power and influence on the nation. As former republicans tied the issue if slavery durectly to the agrariam lifestyle in the south ignorantly amd innapropriatly. Was it a part of it yes like any agrariam society of that day it most certainly was but it was nothing more than a means to a end that was being replaced by industrialization. Personally ive always thought ut held commonalities with ww2, not for the racial conflations to many jump to. But instead its cause for it to begin as well as its statement ending. Theres evidence pointing to sumter being a sort of fakse flag event manipulated to fonent war on the south. Just as ww2 theu knew the japanese were planning to attack and let them to initiate war. In the end ww2 they dropped nukes on civilian populance one city inparticular held 75% of christians in japan. It was a modern scorched earth policy learned frim the scorched earth policy the north commited on the south. Difference imo is in japan they invested and rebuilt it to maintain economic control wirhout need of force. The soyths recinstruction was a abysmal failure that northern investors were complacent in suppression, evident by its institurions of debt peonage and contract convict labor in the souths reconstruction as well as its racial rejections considering uts all white unions that dirmed innthe morth to shield whites from freed black slsves taking their jobs away as cheaper labor. In fact the repubkican conservative was and still is the enemy of the southern conservative hence why southern democrats held power. As an example look at Alabama many today consider it to be one if the reddest states, yet they ignore its owm history. Since 1819 when it became a state its had only 5 repubkican govenors if which two were prior to the 1950s pre moderm south. 3 since the 1980s whom at the same time saw the collapse of the democratic party, since its last D govenor went to jail and died in jail. Its red and conservative cayde its all tuatbwas left for it to be. The absence of truth and power inbthe agrarian south created a vacuum for power the republicans filled and is exactly why demicrats niw deem the oarty of lincoln that freed the slaves as a nazu partu bent on racial division while it ignores the own racist in its midst like the Clintons, Bidens, etc.

[@haroldor1]

no way that accent is real

[@Ram-dq1gq]

Get out more

[@appaedde]

Colonel Sanders is in the house!

[@stanleycross6000]

This man is the offspring of Yosemite Sam and a Civil War re-enactor🤦 Apparently he is from UPSTATE South Carolina. 37 year olds don't make good eccentrics😂

[@capoislamort100]

HL Mencken broke down the southern Amerikan white man to a tee!

[@lastoftheromans]

He also broke down Lincoln and the Gettysburg Address to a t.

[@johnweber4577]

@@lastoftheromans Mencken would probably also say that he broke down religion and Christianity to a tee.

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

He was nothing but a German immigrant and jealous.

[@Overit5000]

As someone from New Orleans, that accent is fuckin Hollywood, STAHP

[@HenryThree]

His house looks just like my nana's. Just replace all the books with Biscotti jars and it's indistinguishable.

[@bumpkinskill]

I feel Southern pride, but I think you're full of it, bro.

[@nokeo08]

Imagine thinking that Lincoln was a good president.

[@sylvanbear7125]

Whatever the justice of the Civil War, there is no doubt that the resulting growth in the authority and power of the central government, which paved the way for Wilson's and his Progressives' repudiation of the Constitution, has been a disaster, a road to serfdom, for all sections of the country.

[@jude4427]

calvin candie, is that you...?

[@tomyoung8563]

Comment for the algorithm

[@sosborne]

If nobody in the South wanted Lincoln, why leave him off the ballot?

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

He wasn't off the ballot, they just didn't have any .

[@superkool7]

GREAT TALK. To all involved. Well done and very informative. Don’t listen to the obsessive whining little babies that are trying to bring you down. These people craft their ENTIRE lives and every waking moment of their lives around your posts and content :) how pathetic. Great talk. Loved it

[@StamperTamper]

It’s called freedom of speech. As much as he has the right to peddle white supremacist ideals, I have the right to protest against them. Cheers!

[@SensusFidelium]

Deo vindice

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

I wonder where Harrelson got his money. It was not from teaching.

[@benniebarrow348]

He’s not near as old as he portrays himself.

[@StamperTamper]

He’s gets donations from his pipe cottage and he promotes pipe and tobacco. Whether he gets kick backs from it is a good question. It appears he takes a lot of donations from Protestant’s and Baptists who he thinks are going to hell and I think he’s got them some what fooled. Cheers!

[@LicardoDeBousee]

Probably “Alternative Facts” central known as Prager U. 🤡💩🤣

[@robertstewart6956]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@Welleher]

As a South Carolinian, I can say with 100% certainty that this dude is putting up an accent. I've never, in my entire life here in SC, have ever heard THAT kind of accent. He's putting on an old fashioned, Southern Virginia accent. That accent is so far from any SC accents that it is laughable. In regards to his arguments, we've had these debates for CENTURIES. The South was RESPONSIBLE for the Civil War. Lincoln, though he overstepped the constitutional limitations on his office, was RIGHT that the South had no constitutional rights to succeed from the Union. His argument which says, "No Southern soldiers or civilians stated the war was about slavery" is stupid, because while they of course said it was about States' Rights, the "States' Rights" they fought for were... The right to own slaves. And lastly (but certainly not the only issue I find is his argument), his complaint that Calhoun and Foote and other Southern "Conservatives" aren't read anymore is foolish, because there is little to be gleaned from extremely racist fools who created dumb arguments to justify slavery. There is nothing of worth in Calhoun or Foote.

[@StamperTamper]

Foote and Calhoun, you’re darn right about that. That’s all this history professor references and it’s silly.

[@crusaderduncan9398]

I’m what way did the southern states not have the right to seceded

[@StamperTamper]

@@crusaderduncan9398 You’ll find your answers in common law. The Civil War also ended the debate. The only way a state can secede is through a democratic process where all states would have to agree to the secession. You just can’t pick up your ball and go home if you don’t like how things are going, unless you want to rebel. You can do that too, but you gotta win.

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

No, the South was defending itself from an invading army.

[@MeadeSkeltonMusic]

I'm from Central Virginia and there are some similarities, but it is different from ours.

[@rmcnabb]

Southern Agrarians strike me as odd. Firstly they're history - the movement was a brief historical relic, nothing more. They were all windy academics who advocate a theoretical fantasy agrarian lifestyle, but none of them were farmers. So I guess get other people to do your farming for you while you lecture at various universities. And they're refusal to deal honestly with slavery and things like Jim Crow is reprehensible. And they're largely small timers too - other than Robert Penn Warren you haven't heard of any of them. This fawning interview is sort of like asking would you rather live in the Shire or in Rivendell - who cares? You can't live in either one, and you can't live at Tara and drink iced tea on the veranda either. It's all Gone With The Wind, and frankly good riddance.

[@StamperTamper]

I’m no professor, but I’d give that analysis an A+.

[@_SicParvisMagna_]

Doesn't Alan own his own land that he farms and animals that he raises with his family?

[@StamperTamper]

@@_SicParvisMagna_I think he aspires to be a farmer, but those so called Southern Agrarians tended to me middle class, educated want to be farmers. For the most part they buy land, hire others to do the real work and from the sounds of things slavery would suit them just fine. I suspect he’s not going to like it for too much longer.

[@historify.54]

The founders dreamed of a “more perfect union”. That’s conservative.

[@williamhampton2366]

No, that is fairly meaningless.

[@historify.54]

@@williamhampton2366 Oh, sorry. I hadn’t realized the Preamble to our Constitution is meaningless.

[@Yallquietendown]

Some of the founders of our country did but some of them were anti federalist

[@williamhampton2366]

@@historify.54 In a contract of any sort, the preamble is legally meaningless. That aside, I don't know what that has to do with anything. That union was a voluntary union of sovereign states.

[@StamperTamper]

@@williamhampton2366that’s right! Once the Thirteen Colonies signed that Declaration they became one indivisible nation. The United States of America and there is nothing written in the constitution that allows its own destruction. When the South seceded they rejected the democratic process and had no right to secede. The only way secession can happen is through a democratic process where all states vote to allow a state to leave the Union. And when you looking into this, it has to be unanimous. In Canada, the province of Quebec have unsuccessfully gone through separation votes. Even if they got fifty percent of the vote it doesn’t mean they get to leave. It simply initiates the country to vote on the matter and all ten provinces must say yes. If anyone thinks the US is any different, we are both based of British common law.

[@lorenhughes5005]

Alan is a joke. Wear your gray ole son but yall lost and thank God. Now put that fake accent away.

[@mr.goldenproductions_0143]

Like regular conservatism with extra racism and country backwardness?

[@appaedde]

This is a joke right?

[@TheTunnellTake]

My video #835

[@StamperTamper]

Oh goodie, let’s all hear about white southern history without black persons. Yay!

[@superkool7]

Let’s 🇺🇸 lol give me a break. Quit whining. It’s all you people ever do. This man is a legend and a national treasure. Cry somewhere else. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@christophermaulden733]

You watched the entire video ? What did you learn ? Have you read his books 📚 ? Or are you assuming , or presuming , you know the contents without reading 📚 his books ? 🤔

[@StamperTamper]

@@superkool7Give you a break and what? Let’s give hate a pass? Great one👌

[@hansblitz7770]

Let's talk about the black criminal rampage that goes on every single day where a lot of them are dwelling. Things don't become a problem until after after 2:00PM though, because Tyrone and Ladarius are still passed out on Grandma's couch until 2:00pm. When they wake up, it is time to get on that lean, smoke a blunt, and go look for trouble.

[@StamperTamper]

@@hansblitz7770Just a few micro aggressions against black folk eh? Alan would like you to be a guest at his pipe cottage I’ll bet ya!

[@StamperTamper]

“we're going to talk about the institution of slavery we have to figure out who has the authority to deal with the Iissue at hand” - Alan Harrelson Who gave them the authority to enslave another human being? Is the better question. @thepipecottage3301

[@Overit5000]

That accent is ridiculously fake