Edward Said and Christopher Hitchens discuss Palestine [May 2001]

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buffalosoldier 96

6 жыл бұрын

In this rare recording, (probably the only one of the two together), Christopher Hitchens talks to Edward Said on all issues relating to Palestine and his 2001 book, Reflections on Exile.

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@cugal1613
@cugal1613 7 ай бұрын
Wish these guys were still around. We sorely need intellectuals of this calibre more than ever.
@MitchellPorter2025
@MitchellPorter2025 6 ай бұрын
Maybe they exist and we just don't know them? There is no shortage of academics, podcasts, essayists still
@odaishodaish7475
@odaishodaish7475 6 ай бұрын
The only problem Christopher has always been pro war
@greggasiorowski1326
@greggasiorowski1326 6 ай бұрын
@@odaishodaish7475 Nah, he just lost his mind post 9/11, prior he was a pretty principled leftist.
@greggasiorowski1326
@greggasiorowski1326 6 ай бұрын
@@MitchellPorter2025 Vijay Prashad & Ali Abunimah to name a couple.
@m-5364
@m-5364 5 ай бұрын
He does not support terrorism, war, and the killing of innocents. He is a criminal terrorist and not an intellectual
@joebloe3146
@joebloe3146 2 жыл бұрын
These two haunting voices from beyond the grave are sorely missed in today's world
@jamesnunn7181
@jamesnunn7181 6 ай бұрын
These days it seems the in thing to denigrate the past. My heart weeps at the disrespect to the great minds lost
@ShaneMcBryde
@ShaneMcBryde 6 ай бұрын
Sorely missed
@skyblue-7
@skyblue-7 6 ай бұрын
​@@jamesnunn7181 💯
@trustidea
@trustidea 6 ай бұрын
2 years since this comments made,and now really more than ever
@AC-mp7cx
@AC-mp7cx 6 ай бұрын
hitchens was a clown idk why said tolerated him
@thezeroconditional2287
@thezeroconditional2287 7 ай бұрын
We need more gentle conversations like this.
@CraigStCyrPlus
@CraigStCyrPlus 6 ай бұрын
So create them, otherwise shut the fuck up.
@christinearmington
@christinearmington 6 ай бұрын
Indeed ❤
@michaeldeierhoi4096
@michaeldeierhoi4096 3 ай бұрын
This is a fascinating and revealing gem of a discussion. Thanks gor making this available.
@JaapVersteegh
@JaapVersteegh 6 ай бұрын
Appreciation for art, music and reason is what can bring all humans together. You can feel it when you hear these gentlemen talk..
@runningbeard7380
@runningbeard7380 6 ай бұрын
This beautiful interview is of a quality I deeply miss that I feel was very accessible in the 2000s, in whatever podcast platform you might have used, or iTunes, or early KZbin. It was gentle by comparison to most Hitch-related conversations, but filled with such respect for another thinker who has devoted his life to literature and the secular belief in change.
@nathanrobbin6341
@nathanrobbin6341 6 жыл бұрын
Where was this gem hiding? Thank you for the upload.
@rbz60
@rbz60 6 ай бұрын
Great minds together, makes magic happen! really enjoyed this, Rest in peace Edward Said and Christopher Hitchens🙏
@Jstce4all
@Jstce4all 7 ай бұрын
Two great minds of humanity, RIP.
@yohaneschristianp
@yohaneschristianp 7 ай бұрын
They're all gone now?!
@walan31
@walan31 5 ай бұрын
People like Edward Said are dearly missed these days. Thank God we have Norman Finkelstein
@Hever73
@Hever73 5 ай бұрын
Norman Finkelstein seems to be nuts
@mikegray8776
@mikegray8776 5 ай бұрын
A very strange non-sequitur. I don’t much care for the self-absorption of either Said or Finkelstein - but in Said the terseness did at least mask a probing desire to unearth truths. Finkelstein by contrast has no desire to unearth ANYTHING - he HAS all the answers - more through osmosis than forensic examination - and entertains selectively only those data which support his thesis. A deeply troubled and unpleasant hobby-academic.
@jchan9761
@jchan9761 3 ай бұрын
There are many eloquent supporters of Palestinian rights. Yes , and we need articulate champions like Dr Finkelstein.
@uyuyuy99
@uyuyuy99 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this upload! I never knew about this conversation. Bravo!
@abosa3ed1
@abosa3ed1 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the upload, one of my 2 heroes together.
@FBUK
@FBUK 6 ай бұрын
How badly the World misses an Edward Said in current times :(
@arikkatzenberg4498
@arikkatzenberg4498 6 ай бұрын
Nope. He was worthless.
@dorfmanjones
@dorfmanjones 2 жыл бұрын
This was four months before 9/11. I think they broke their friendly relations over the American invasion of Iraq. It was sad that no reconcilement was possible, and then the further irony that both died prematurely, both from cancers.
@thaerrifai1764
@thaerrifai1764 5 жыл бұрын
A great and genius scholar.. May his soul rest in peace..
@chantyism
@chantyism 6 ай бұрын
He didn’t have a soul. He was a man. He had a brain and consciousness. That’s plenty. He didn’t need delusions about a supernatural realm, to block out the actual truth. He is gone, but he is still with us through film, radio recordings, his writing. It still shines a light through the vacuum of irrational beliefs and superstitions. His dismantling of dollar driven theist heavy weights, was a sight to behold.
@saskk2290
@saskk2290 6 ай бұрын
​@@chantyismhe still supported US hegemony in the end
@steinadleradler3431
@steinadleradler3431 5 ай бұрын
@@chantyism you dont believe that even a a simple coffee cup has no maker yet you think you are the result of an accident!
@anuradhainamdar8967
@anuradhainamdar8967 3 жыл бұрын
A superlative Q and A, thank for the upload.Clearing up the genuine quality of Edward Said, throwing light on his perspicacity, his irony/ sarcastic attitude when his banned books😀😆😆 are welcomed by the Palestinian authorities.
@haroon420
@haroon420 6 ай бұрын
God, it’s so refreshing to hear a pre 9/11 world talk.
@jmlaw8888
@jmlaw8888 6 ай бұрын
Refreshing? More like cringe inducing for me. The equivalence at 23:05 about fundamentalism would be proven badly wrong a few months later in New York. For such a mild mannered and intelligent man Ive heard him on more than one occasion essentially downplay the barbarity of Islam. Anyone with a brain today knows thats nonsense. Hitch was right - Islam is the most toxic form of Abrahamism today. Youve got to go back to the 1930s if you want to place Christianity at the top. And just to remove of semblance of bias Im an atheist who will never shy away from criticizing christianity so I dont absolve them lightly.
@haroon420
@haroon420 6 ай бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 ok.. chill dude. I just want two people to calmly talk and the ppl to listen and ask informed questions calmly and patiently. There’s no time for your rants.
@jmlaw8888
@jmlaw8888 6 ай бұрын
@@haroon420 What you want? What you want is irrelevant so stop sniveling. You put a response out on a platform that allows (barely) free commenting and reply. A comment that is actually supremely ignorant given what is said and what later happened. If you dont like the reaction then tough titty. Either delete it or grow a backbone.
@voodoodisco
@voodoodisco 6 ай бұрын
@@haroon420 LOL jmlaw8888 is right
@jessejordache1869
@jessejordache1869 5 ай бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 In 1983 Israel invaded Lebanon where the majority of Palestinain refugee camps were. They had their own security forces which were driven out: the IDF then surrounded two camps name Sabra and Shatila, and let the Phalangists (fundamentalist Christians) in. Over the next several days the IDF fired flares for the phalangists to continue their massacre at night. It killed roughly the same number as of people as 9/11, but when men walk in with machetes and go looking for pregnant women to rape and then cut their wombs out, men are attached to powerlines, and people are killed in the most gruesome ways imaginable, it's a different level of barbarism. For the record, the Israeli High Court has ruled that the actions of the then General Sharon was the proximate cause of the massacre. You seem like a nice guy, but your worldview is myopic. The significance of 9/11 wasn't "OMG, we never knew how violent religion can be", it was that the US isn't magically protected from fundamentalists, any more than Palestinians and Jews have been protected from Christians, and so on and so forth all the way back to the Crusades.
@Raydensheraj
@Raydensheraj 7 ай бұрын
Everything Hitchens needs to be preserved.... phenomenal upload.
@Ron_swanson_true_libertarian
@Ron_swanson_true_libertarian 7 ай бұрын
I agree, I think I've only ever seen him lose one debate and that was with George Galloway.
@sanasama2209
@sanasama2209 6 ай бұрын
A dumbass with Seagull's pic decided that Hitchens lost🤣🤣🤣
@user-em5sz2vj7b
@user-em5sz2vj7b 6 ай бұрын
@@Ron_swanson_true_libertarianwhat about hitchens vs hitchens debate?
@AC-mp7cx
@AC-mp7cx 6 ай бұрын
hell no, only said
@janegardener1662
@janegardener1662 5 ай бұрын
@@user-em5sz2vj7b You think Peter won?
@mariamtarekarafat1058
@mariamtarekarafat1058 3 жыл бұрын
Avid reader and fan of both. How the hell was KZbin hiding this from me? ❤️❤️
@illegalalien6486
@illegalalien6486 6 жыл бұрын
Loved it. Thanks for the upload Anyone has this in video !?
@ashwanimalhotra493
@ashwanimalhotra493 3 жыл бұрын
It was nothing less than music to my ears.
@LeninChampionedUkraine
@LeninChampionedUkraine 5 ай бұрын
Anybody else professor Said say “Christopher is the best of the intellectuals” at the end?
@milesbetrov
@milesbetrov 3 ай бұрын
At 28 mins the conversation Christopher has with Edward is the same conversation people had with Christopher when he was dying
@diego67hd94
@diego67hd94 10 ай бұрын
I presume this is Ralph Leonard who uploaded this? I’m a big fan of your writings and work 👏
@charlielingard962
@charlielingard962 3 жыл бұрын
We salute you champions
@winonafrog
@winonafrog 6 ай бұрын
Great content, like everyone else I am wondering how I missed it. Wish there were 10 hours of these two discussing. Anyone know the source-a library or university event? A Vanity Fair event?
@seanmellows1348
@seanmellows1348 6 ай бұрын
Wonderful.
@Woof45
@Woof45 6 ай бұрын
Hitches voice has such command and truth in it. He seems fearless to me.
@janegardener1662
@janegardener1662 5 ай бұрын
Fearless, even in regard to drinking and smoking.
@Woof45
@Woof45 5 ай бұрын
@janegardener1662 Well we have to die of something don't we?
@janegardener1662
@janegardener1662 5 ай бұрын
@@Woof45 Yes, we do. I wonder if Christopher was quite so nonchalant when he learned he had cancer. Perhaps he regretted his choice to drink and smoke.
@Woof45
@Woof45 5 ай бұрын
@janegardener1662 You can fantasize that he was, I suppose, if you like. Are you just wondering or are you an offended God botherer?
@janegardener1662
@janegardener1662 5 ай бұрын
@@Woof45 I'm just sorry for his wife and children...and for others who miss his voice and opinions, like myself.
@Desiklown
@Desiklown 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sooo much. Does beg the question, what happened to Hitchens post 9/11 and if both were alive today, would the be arch-enemies rather than friends? Both were towering intellects. Such a pathos in how they both left us...
@JaKommenterar
@JaKommenterar 4 жыл бұрын
Idris Salik Well they unfortunately did fall out and never reconciled. But I believe things like ISIS, Assad, Netanyahu, Trump’s governance etc would have brought them closer again.
@moosehak
@moosehak 2 жыл бұрын
Hitchins wrote a lovely tribute to Said upon his death
@claesmansson9070
@claesmansson9070 6 ай бұрын
The comedian Bassem Youssef a commedian answers Piers Morgan about newly 7. 10. 2023 in an intelligent way, so there are still people that are worth listening to, by the way there are other methods that you can both treat and avoid cancer, but that s another intelligent story.
@dummlp
@dummlp 6 ай бұрын
The interview is embarrassing. Making equivalences between Israel warning civilians before air strikes, Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and of course, of fucking course, the Holocaust. Pseudo intellectual bull shit.
@oraz.
@oraz. 6 ай бұрын
He didn't really say much though it was more about emotion
@nchibs8308
@nchibs8308 6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@leonardmccannon3136
@leonardmccannon3136 7 ай бұрын
Edward Said is a voice who far too many people have not been exposed to. His dialogue here with Hitchens really highlight his intelligence, decency, and compassion. The world needs more of his ilk. Hitchens here is the character I prefer to remember for the majority of his public life. It’s depressing to remember the one who later in life allowed himself to be seduced by fame and power of a pulpit inside the Bush White House. He went on to embrace views that his erstwhile friend Edward would have thought a sad and ignoble devolution. He wound up giving the ideological defence of wars of imperialism as great crusades to defend western societies from the barbarism of Islamic jihad. He even tried to defend the use of water boarding , but let his vanity impair his brain long enough to agree to subject himself to said water boarding. Only then did reality re assert itself into his partisan imaginings.
@johngalt1361
@johngalt1361 7 ай бұрын
@@psiclops521 Well said. Reminds me of the many Leftist I somehow attract. Whenever you don’t agree with their worldview, they recommend some book, you obviously aren’t aware of, otherwise…
@salehal-mansoori9674
@salehal-mansoori9674 7 ай бұрын
You idiot, Christopher was criticized for calling waterboarding a method of torture and then underwent it to report on the horrible experience. There’s literally a video on the subject here on youtube. You might be an idiot, but I encourage you to read Christopher or watch his debates, its not too late; his intelligence might inspire you to use that starved gray goo bound in your skull.
@JoseSoto-tz4cz
@JoseSoto-tz4cz 6 ай бұрын
​@salehal-mansoori9674 exactly. Who are these people? Biased of course. Fame? What? He tried to help avoid a freaking Orwellian world.
@ems4884
@ems4884 6 ай бұрын
That's a strange characterization of Hitchens' views from that era - one which he would reject and refute. Can you do the man the minimum honor of representing his views acurately. You're erecting a straw man argument
@jacobjorgenson9285
@jacobjorgenson9285 6 ай бұрын
Take what you like and leave the rest
@user-cn3dr5md8m
@user-cn3dr5md8m 3 жыл бұрын
They were good friends,then broke forever.
@Eric06410
@Eric06410 6 ай бұрын
O Captain My Captain
@johnjosmith42
@johnjosmith42 Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating, glittering listen, thanks ever so much for posting ~ also, around the 31:00 mark, on the subject of Deconstructionists, immediately, regretfully, one’s mind turns to the odious Judith Butler, and all her many enormities of Sisyphean prose 🤦🏻‍♂️ it was marvellous to hear Said repudiate all that fraudulent horseshit. Again, thank you so much for posting 👏 🇬🇧
@thortessem271
@thortessem271 8 ай бұрын
RIP🙏🙏🙏
@yungjamir
@yungjamir 3 жыл бұрын
RIP Christopher Hitchens! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
@leedavis6000
@leedavis6000 6 ай бұрын
Brilliant.
@mavigogun
@mavigogun 6 ай бұрын
So much wisdom and humanity, easily accessed- yet the brutes still refuse to partake.
@melindahuntley9873
@melindahuntley9873 6 ай бұрын
yeah, I second that, so intelligent
@_artorical_
@_artorical_ 6 ай бұрын
What is Said referencing at 32:20? “Trying to articulate ideas that are so deep and obscure that they belong in...”?
@fod2011
@fod2011 6 ай бұрын
The Dunciad is a landmark, mock-heroic, narrative poem by Alexander Pope published in three different versions at different times from 1728 to 1743. The poem celebrates a goddess Dulness and the progress of her chosen agents as they bring decay, imbecility, and tastelessness to the Kingdom of Great Britain.
@wizzerdsuntzu
@wizzerdsuntzu 5 ай бұрын
It's all In the MIND!
@georgejamestaylor7572
@georgejamestaylor7572 6 ай бұрын
What actually happened to this 'broad?'. Was she prosecuted? Was she banned from running a channel in 'Tik-Tok!'? She threatened to sue several people/companies, did she follow through at all? Or was the legal advice, something like you do not have a case at all. Also the people you threatened to sue, in reality, had no case what so ever to answer to! She is a bonafide crank, that is from the video evidence, absolutely without a doubt! I do/would like however, like her to be punished in some form or another. The absolute narcissism she displayed, clearly demonstrates she is operating totally on a different level of reality than most of us who do operate in reality! Enjoyed the upload & I have very rarely heard women described & called 'broads!'. So I deffo enjoyed that very much! Gb you all, George!!!
@uoza92
@uoza92 6 ай бұрын
This was entirely too short
@TheBillBunker
@TheBillBunker 6 ай бұрын
We’ve pushed intellect into the dustbin.
@lawrencetillotson9033
@lawrencetillotson9033 5 ай бұрын
who have you replaced them with? C
@oraz.
@oraz. 6 ай бұрын
This is more like an interview
@blairhakamies4132
@blairhakamies4132 6 ай бұрын
Curious views on Orwell 😮
@tztz1949
@tztz1949 6 ай бұрын
How can sheltered perspectives lend guidance on anything relating to the political direction of occupation and abusive policies?
@ValleyoftheBlind
@ValleyoftheBlind 6 жыл бұрын
Hitchens v Said less than 1k views, huh?
@rohitmukerji7208
@rohitmukerji7208 6 жыл бұрын
ValleyoftheBlind is it that surprising? 🙄
@johnk2452
@johnk2452 6 жыл бұрын
VOTB, no surprise to some [many?] of us; where this video impresses as a very "run of the mill" interview --- something Larry King could have done with minimal preparation --- notwithstanding the mid-level academic celebrity of these two. The only bit, of marginal interest which I found, was toward the end when Hitchens queried Said regarding Said's contempt for Eric Arthur Blair [Orwell]; however, there was no time remaining for any meaningful response or discuss. Duh! I can recommend this video, other than perhaps for some sentimentalists, to almost no one. May they both rest in peace.
@winonafrog
@winonafrog 6 ай бұрын
@@johnk2452Seems you were not listening 😅
@ricksilverstein8848
@ricksilverstein8848 6 ай бұрын
Required listening for any elected politician
@axhed
@axhed 6 ай бұрын
oh shit, this is from before 9/11 even.
@carrion_man3700
@carrion_man3700 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, Christopher would succumb a decade later. Two sadly needed public intellectuals, gone.
@adribones
@adribones 6 ай бұрын
“I’m an aficionado of lost causes…”
@Horroryoga
@Horroryoga 6 ай бұрын
It reminds me of the notion that there is such a thing as “caliber” in humans. It has an elitist tone I know, but in a purer sense, these were two high caliber people.
@brendanw8136
@brendanw8136 6 ай бұрын
There is such a thing as gradation in people; it's not organized by ethnicity or nation or class but there are superior people and inferior ones, and these two people were both of the superior grade.
@swaydam
@swaydam 12 күн бұрын
They are high calibre within the mediocre public intellectual sphere. Still mediocre
@Francebras
@Francebras 6 ай бұрын
Now we have Sean Hannity and Jim Jordan.. Awful
@CraigStCyrPlus
@CraigStCyrPlus 6 ай бұрын
Given a pineapple and he complains of mango.
@ago7212
@ago7212 6 ай бұрын
​@@CraigStCyrPlus- No, we have been given nuts;-)
@nblumer
@nblumer 5 ай бұрын
Both had the intellect, but only Said had the heart - so in the end, Said remained a moral beacon while Hitchens degenerated into a neocon. Islamaphobe.
@imankhandaker6103
@imankhandaker6103 6 ай бұрын
....once he has finished his James Dean impression.
@rolandoarco863
@rolandoarco863 6 ай бұрын
No mention how Arafat chose the second intifada when offered a good deal at Camp David
@jacobjorgenson9285
@jacobjorgenson9285 6 ай бұрын
The Zionists had zero intention of keeping the deal
@haroon420
@haroon420 6 ай бұрын
Lol. Yh right. And I guess it had nothing to do with the killing of Muhammad al-Durrah.
@rolandoarco863
@rolandoarco863 6 ай бұрын
@@haroon420 don’t know who that is. Another fanatic terrorist is my guess
@arc8696
@arc8696 6 ай бұрын
​@@rolandoarco863I guess all Palestinians are terrorists to you . Says so much about you
@ho-mt7pn
@ho-mt7pn 5 ай бұрын
A good deal? 😂
@dmblum1
@dmblum1 6 ай бұрын
Total Albert Camus pose by Hitchens.
@JoseSoto-tz4cz
@JoseSoto-tz4cz 6 ай бұрын
Hitch! We need you Hitch!!! No one can speak like you these days. They suck.
@johnmott8047
@johnmott8047 5 ай бұрын
4 months before Sept 11. All this rosy picture of everyone getting along peachy appears rather sophomoric and naive in retrospect.
@Cindy-yx1ip3rd2j
@Cindy-yx1ip3rd2j 11 ай бұрын
考えること自体が=抵抗の活動です。知識人の使命は自分の出番になったら弱者のために闘うこと。(エドワード・サイード)
@stephenkerensky710
@stephenkerensky710 6 ай бұрын
The thing about postmodernist is that they believe any piece of writing can be interpreted in any way at all. The problem with that is they don`t think the same principle applies to them.
@j8000
@j8000 6 ай бұрын
Is the hypocritical postmodernist in the room with us right now?
@1121-4
@1121-4 5 ай бұрын
نعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم ومن الظالمين ومعاذ الله (Gaza) رب اغفرلي ولوالدي ولمن دخل بيتي مؤمنا وللمؤمنين والمؤمنات ولا تزد الظالمين إلا تبارا
@MikeHunt-rw4gf
@MikeHunt-rw4gf 6 ай бұрын
algorithm
@brianmacadam4793
@brianmacadam4793 6 ай бұрын
Said says at the start that there "is no promised land", The chaos around world after WW2 has affected the entire world. There were 2 million German refugees that had to move, 14 MILLION refugees between India and Pakistan, how about what Stalin did to Ukraine. And the Holocaust. But we don't talk about all of the millions, we talk about the Nabka ( 700,000? ) in 1948. The Nabka was certainly a tragedy, but where is that in great continuum of tragedies. And how is it that the children and grandchildren and great grandchildren of these original refugees are still named as refugees when in no other conflict has this occurred. Open the gates of the camps, compensate these people who have been imprisoned for generations, give them passports with which to travel. Let them heal, let everyone calm down. Then negotiate.
@arc8696
@arc8696 6 ай бұрын
Israel doesn't allow that. Israel's final goal is to push out all the Palestinians
@SortOfEggish
@SortOfEggish 6 ай бұрын
The displaced refugees refuse to become Egyptians, Lebaneese, American, etc. They choose to remain stateless to preserve their victimhood. And if it is passed down as the primary "identity" to their children, then the conflict of land will never be resolved
@doctorwoohoo1152
@doctorwoohoo1152 5 ай бұрын
You can tell this conversation took place before 9/11 without looking at the date. It displays remnants of the cavalier (and delusional) late-90s idyll.
@johndunne7900
@johndunne7900 6 ай бұрын
Lebanon , Jordan, Iraq, and Syria were formed by the league of Nations mandate system, and include Israel also form from that same league of Nations mandate but Edward has decided that Israel should not exist, but all the others are OK. He will criticize the way Israel was established but avoids criticism of the others even though the process was the same. hypocrisy and distorted history runs through Edward Said entire thesis
@mohamedeldeeb4086
@mohamedeldeeb4086 6 ай бұрын
can you elaborate more on how Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria were established the same way that Israel was? In what ways was the process similar?
@arc8696
@arc8696 6 ай бұрын
This is bull.😂 It's not about the country names. Its about the PEOPLE. This is an ARAB region. Where arabs (Muslims and Christian) have lived for centuries
@arc8696
@arc8696 6 ай бұрын
Just look at the faces of the israelis. And you will know they don't come from the middle east. Actually lots of them weren't even born there
@soidogcowboy3282
@soidogcowboy3282 6 ай бұрын
​@@arc8696almost 60 percent of the Jews in Israel are mizrahi ie Middle Eastern from Iraq, Syria Iran etc
@kb_100
@kb_100 6 ай бұрын
Not the same at all. All those countries are populated by their native peoples. While Israel was created by replacing the native Palestinians with European immigrants.
@37Dionysos
@37Dionysos 6 ай бұрын
Ed Said was always worth ten Hitchens.
@Sinhalayaki
@Sinhalayaki 6 ай бұрын
Bollocks
@37Dionysos
@37Dionysos 6 ай бұрын
@@Sinhalayaki Why? Said a much more focused in-depth scholar, much less pompous, and his aim much less often on sitting ducks. Reply?
@Sinhalayaki
@Sinhalayaki 6 ай бұрын
@@37Dionysos Said was all about Palestine Palestine Palestine ..... is he as well travelled as Hitchens (first hand experience NOT holiday travel), has he written on diverse subject matter as Hitchens (sure Said wrote Orientalism), Has he engaged in much discourse over fundamentally hard issues such as Religion (not regional politics) with such varied opposition? Said is worthy-but ten Hitchens? Sober up.
@37Dionysos
@37Dionysos 6 ай бұрын
@@Sinhalayaki I simply prefer scholarly research in focused depth: Said does not reduce to Palestine Palestine. Being more traveled (if that's true) puts Hitch all over the place skimming for sound-bytes that become his books of flabby prose. And there's nothing hard about poking holes in Bible-humpers or Mother Theresa. Hitch has opened many paths of escape for mental cripples, but Said has changed both high-level discourse and non-Westerners' ideas of their own humanity and human rights. And, unlike Hitch and you, Said wasn't a souse.
@Sinhalayaki
@Sinhalayaki 6 ай бұрын
@@37Dionysos it is an impossible task to convince a fanboy of a literary one trick pony whose singular preoccupation was Palestine and imbuing value into how the West saw the Arab world. Hitchens dispised the whole notion of fighting over "holy" real estate...among many other things and wrote with praiseworthy prose and intellect. Flabby mental cripples are all coming out of the woodwork these days at the mention of Palestine and put out clickbaity comments on how their poster boy is worth a dozen of others who are more erudite and cultured than him....
@knowledge5669
@knowledge5669 2 жыл бұрын
So comments described Said's effect as "toxic". Well, it sounds to me like a modern version of Socrates "corrupting the youth". Said's work is pivotal: you hate him or like him you MUST start with him. Advice to his distractors: Live with it! Hitch on the other hand changed towards the end of his life. He should have listened to Chomsky when he urged him to go back to his serious work. Alas, he didn't. His jump to the Right wagon was a sad event. He looked out of place when he debated Gallaway. The only good left of him was his stand for atheism. Who knows had he lived longer he might have gone even further to the Right and became a welcomed guest to the like 700 Club. Once your moral campus is compromised, you could end up anywhere. I am really really sorry Hitch. But a recording like this reminds us of a good fella we missed.
@AROSFC
@AROSFC 7 ай бұрын
or maybe he would be attending Kissinger birthday...
@MattSingh1
@MattSingh1 7 ай бұрын
*Goodness, what babbling nonsense. No, Hitchens didn't jump to the right, he advocated fighting Islamofascism. It was Chomsky, Vidal, Said etc. that all ended up making excuses for Islamofascism, the most far-right movement possible. In regard to his Galloway debate, Hitchens thoroughly defeated the lying, criminal scumbag purely using the point of fact. Your slander of Hitchens supposedly becoming right-wing is typical of a cliche regressive leftist, the sort which Hitchens himself demolished many times during the 2000s post-September 11th, 2001.*
@magicbuns4868
@magicbuns4868 6 ай бұрын
@@MattSingh1 Exactly. Chomsky consistently sides with dictatorships. That's the problem with total pacifism, you end up supporting evil doers
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 6 ай бұрын
@@magicbuns4868 Where has Chomsky sided with dictatorships? The nearest thing to an example that I'm aware of is where he downplayed the extent of the Khmer Rouge atrocities at the time that they were occurring (and shortly after) has since been disconcertingly equivocal about the position he took then. Also, to the best of my knowledge, he's never claimed to be a pacifist.
@magicbuns4868
@magicbuns4868 6 ай бұрын
@@davidparry5310 First of all, when one chooses to do nothing in the face of evil under the name of pacifism, you support their actions by your inaction. Chomsky's position on Nazi Germany would be to blame "The West" and call for peace talks etc... Thus allowing Nazi Germany get away with it's behaviour (he's consistent). But an example of a regime he's directly supported was the Cambodian communist regime, that one that but slaughtered about a third of its own people. He's had a tendency of supporting far-left dictatorships in their early days, only to proclaim them right wing once their dirty laundry is revealed. Thus, he repeats the cycle because he can't bring himself to the concept of LW authoritarianism - unlike Hitchens, who's denounced both wings at their ugliest.
@nicobruin8618
@nicobruin8618 6 ай бұрын
Very pathethic how Said dodges the question of Palestinian terrorism by immediatly resorting to whataboutism.
@arc8696
@arc8696 6 ай бұрын
Its a logical answer. Nothing comes out of nothing.
@SortOfEggish
@SortOfEggish 6 ай бұрын
@@arc8696 But then no one is responsible for their actions ever. And that's not a world that can survive
@BrucknerMotet
@BrucknerMotet 6 ай бұрын
Whereas one might wish he would urge the grossly violent to be more sparing of innocents and more focused toward specifically identified targets of interest and to have the courage and foresight to take that approach, one cannot fault Said for parrying and sending the discussion (and a discussion was all that it ever was) to the standstill position with his so called "whataboutism", which was nothing to ignore by the way, being the 800 lb gorilla in the room (i.e., the terrible "normalization" and even moral righteousness of modern warfare's increasing demand for 100,000s of innocent victims if only to spare the attackers any risk of harm to themselves as they catapult their explosives 1000s of miles from themselves so they never have to endure any harm or danger themselves - aka cowardice). We can't fault Said for demanding that the question be framed somewhat differently, so that the discussion, debate, conversation, or what have you can actually progress to some better state of affairs than just a stalemate caused by lack of interest or imagination on the part of the questioner.
@patsycrowdis2629
@patsycrowdis2629 6 ай бұрын
I wish I had discovered them far sooner in life, took losing my daughter to go searching once and for all… organized religion is designed to stop progress. The homeland for the organization of absolute Patriarchal control is all, nothing holy about it… a demonstration of the lengths the patriarchy will go to maintain the grift…
@patsycrowdis2629
@patsycrowdis2629 6 ай бұрын
@@DiogenesNephew Right!!! Or as I say Small penises are us… gonna start a promotion for the ladies, we only need one… gonna nominate Jason Momoa….
@michaelnolan3948
@michaelnolan3948 6 ай бұрын
What utter hogwash
@patsycrowdis2629
@patsycrowdis2629 5 ай бұрын
@@DiogenesNephew lol… they do protest so…
@michaellicchi4771
@michaellicchi4771 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I wish Said was still alive so he could see how wrong he was
@yaseensharawi8034
@yaseensharawi8034 Ай бұрын
About what
@matsuda1994
@matsuda1994 6 жыл бұрын
and then 9/11 happened and Hitchens went mad
@omogaju
@omogaju 5 жыл бұрын
Luqmaan Waqar, are you implying that 9/11 was orchestrated by Palestinians? Just a question.
@matsuda1994
@matsuda1994 5 жыл бұрын
no no not at all, what I am saying was Hitchens was for all intents an open-minded leftist until 9/11 (3 months after this interview). After 9/11 Hitchens completely switched became a right-wing state apologist for all Bush/Blair atrocities abroad. After this Said and Hitchen's relationship deteriorated till Said's death. So it's nice to hear Hitchens before he became insufferable. That said Hitchens always remained pro-Palestinian even through his latter Islamophobic days.
@holdtight3558
@holdtight3558 5 жыл бұрын
​@@polymathicheretic5068 hates islam :) believes in karma :) haha :)
@holdtight3558
@holdtight3558 5 жыл бұрын
@@polymathicheretic5068 thats not my point fool. you're watching a discussion between hitchens and edward Said, author of orientalism...... have you read that? do you know what it entails.... and you are still here criticising islam, you fit the criticism all too well. It's all very ironic :)
@ggrthemostgodless8713
@ggrthemostgodless8713 5 жыл бұрын
@@matsuda1994 I agree, Hitchens made an ALMOST 180 turn... it is sad too that he was mostly known for his atheism and those debates.
@AbuSous2000PR
@AbuSous2000PR 6 ай бұрын
the same Christopher who sold us the war on iraq? no RIP... i am happy he was gone it is sad that Said talked to this intellectual bankrupt individual
@WalayatFamily
@WalayatFamily 5 ай бұрын
Two zionist Jews discuss palestine,
@myla6135
@myla6135 4 ай бұрын
What an odd comment. Neither were Zionists and one was a Christian, the other an atheist. Did you listen to the same interview as I did I wonder? They discussed Palestine amongst many, many other subjects. I found it an utterly engrossing discussion where both men were charming. Unlike many today. People are no longer charming as they are far too opinionated and make short statements with little support for their un-thought through comments.
@sirushti1132
@sirushti1132 2 ай бұрын
@@myla6135Said was born a christian but became an atheist later in ife.
@DeeWeber
@DeeWeber 2 ай бұрын
Yes, they both believed Israel had a right of existence but not a right to keep Palestine subjected to collective punishment
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