In this rare recording, (probably the only one of the two together), Christopher Hitchens talks to Edward Said on all issues relating to Palestine and his 2001 book, Reflections on Exile.
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@cugal16137 ай бұрын
Wish these guys were still around. We sorely need intellectuals of this calibre more than ever.
@MitchellPorter20256 ай бұрын
Maybe they exist and we just don't know them? There is no shortage of academics, podcasts, essayists still
@odaishodaish74756 ай бұрын
The only problem Christopher has always been pro war
@greggasiorowski13266 ай бұрын
@@odaishodaish7475 Nah, he just lost his mind post 9/11, prior he was a pretty principled leftist.
@greggasiorowski13266 ай бұрын
@@MitchellPorter2025 Vijay Prashad & Ali Abunimah to name a couple.
@m-53645 ай бұрын
He does not support terrorism, war, and the killing of innocents. He is a criminal terrorist and not an intellectual
@joebloe31462 жыл бұрын
These two haunting voices from beyond the grave are sorely missed in today's world
@jamesnunn71816 ай бұрын
These days it seems the in thing to denigrate the past. My heart weeps at the disrespect to the great minds lost
@ShaneMcBryde6 ай бұрын
Sorely missed
@skyblue-76 ай бұрын
@@jamesnunn7181 💯
@trustidea6 ай бұрын
2 years since this comments made,and now really more than ever
@AC-mp7cx6 ай бұрын
hitchens was a clown idk why said tolerated him
@thezeroconditional22877 ай бұрын
We need more gentle conversations like this.
@CraigStCyrPlus6 ай бұрын
So create them, otherwise shut the fuck up.
@christinearmington6 ай бұрын
Indeed ❤
@michaeldeierhoi40963 ай бұрын
This is a fascinating and revealing gem of a discussion. Thanks gor making this available.
@JaapVersteegh6 ай бұрын
Appreciation for art, music and reason is what can bring all humans together. You can feel it when you hear these gentlemen talk..
@runningbeard73806 ай бұрын
This beautiful interview is of a quality I deeply miss that I feel was very accessible in the 2000s, in whatever podcast platform you might have used, or iTunes, or early KZbin. It was gentle by comparison to most Hitch-related conversations, but filled with such respect for another thinker who has devoted his life to literature and the secular belief in change.
@nathanrobbin63416 жыл бұрын
Where was this gem hiding? Thank you for the upload.
@rbz606 ай бұрын
Great minds together, makes magic happen! really enjoyed this, Rest in peace Edward Said and Christopher Hitchens🙏
@Jstce4all7 ай бұрын
Two great minds of humanity, RIP.
@yohaneschristianp7 ай бұрын
They're all gone now?!
@walan315 ай бұрын
People like Edward Said are dearly missed these days. Thank God we have Norman Finkelstein
@Hever735 ай бұрын
Norman Finkelstein seems to be nuts
@mikegray87765 ай бұрын
A very strange non-sequitur. I don’t much care for the self-absorption of either Said or Finkelstein - but in Said the terseness did at least mask a probing desire to unearth truths. Finkelstein by contrast has no desire to unearth ANYTHING - he HAS all the answers - more through osmosis than forensic examination - and entertains selectively only those data which support his thesis. A deeply troubled and unpleasant hobby-academic.
@jchan97613 ай бұрын
There are many eloquent supporters of Palestinian rights. Yes , and we need articulate champions like Dr Finkelstein.
@uyuyuy994 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this upload! I never knew about this conversation. Bravo!
@abosa3ed18 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the upload, one of my 2 heroes together.
@FBUK6 ай бұрын
How badly the World misses an Edward Said in current times :(
@arikkatzenberg44986 ай бұрын
Nope. He was worthless.
@dorfmanjones2 жыл бұрын
This was four months before 9/11. I think they broke their friendly relations over the American invasion of Iraq. It was sad that no reconcilement was possible, and then the further irony that both died prematurely, both from cancers.
@thaerrifai17645 жыл бұрын
A great and genius scholar.. May his soul rest in peace..
@chantyism6 ай бұрын
He didn’t have a soul. He was a man. He had a brain and consciousness. That’s plenty. He didn’t need delusions about a supernatural realm, to block out the actual truth. He is gone, but he is still with us through film, radio recordings, his writing. It still shines a light through the vacuum of irrational beliefs and superstitions. His dismantling of dollar driven theist heavy weights, was a sight to behold.
@saskk22906 ай бұрын
@@chantyismhe still supported US hegemony in the end
@steinadleradler34315 ай бұрын
@@chantyism you dont believe that even a a simple coffee cup has no maker yet you think you are the result of an accident!
@anuradhainamdar89673 жыл бұрын
A superlative Q and A, thank for the upload.Clearing up the genuine quality of Edward Said, throwing light on his perspicacity, his irony/ sarcastic attitude when his banned books😀😆😆 are welcomed by the Palestinian authorities.
@haroon4206 ай бұрын
God, it’s so refreshing to hear a pre 9/11 world talk.
@jmlaw88886 ай бұрын
Refreshing? More like cringe inducing for me. The equivalence at 23:05 about fundamentalism would be proven badly wrong a few months later in New York. For such a mild mannered and intelligent man Ive heard him on more than one occasion essentially downplay the barbarity of Islam. Anyone with a brain today knows thats nonsense. Hitch was right - Islam is the most toxic form of Abrahamism today. Youve got to go back to the 1930s if you want to place Christianity at the top. And just to remove of semblance of bias Im an atheist who will never shy away from criticizing christianity so I dont absolve them lightly.
@haroon4206 ай бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 ok.. chill dude. I just want two people to calmly talk and the ppl to listen and ask informed questions calmly and patiently. There’s no time for your rants.
@jmlaw88886 ай бұрын
@@haroon420 What you want? What you want is irrelevant so stop sniveling. You put a response out on a platform that allows (barely) free commenting and reply. A comment that is actually supremely ignorant given what is said and what later happened. If you dont like the reaction then tough titty. Either delete it or grow a backbone.
@voodoodisco6 ай бұрын
@@haroon420 LOL jmlaw8888 is right
@jessejordache18695 ай бұрын
@@jmlaw8888 In 1983 Israel invaded Lebanon where the majority of Palestinain refugee camps were. They had their own security forces which were driven out: the IDF then surrounded two camps name Sabra and Shatila, and let the Phalangists (fundamentalist Christians) in. Over the next several days the IDF fired flares for the phalangists to continue their massacre at night. It killed roughly the same number as of people as 9/11, but when men walk in with machetes and go looking for pregnant women to rape and then cut their wombs out, men are attached to powerlines, and people are killed in the most gruesome ways imaginable, it's a different level of barbarism. For the record, the Israeli High Court has ruled that the actions of the then General Sharon was the proximate cause of the massacre. You seem like a nice guy, but your worldview is myopic. The significance of 9/11 wasn't "OMG, we never knew how violent religion can be", it was that the US isn't magically protected from fundamentalists, any more than Palestinians and Jews have been protected from Christians, and so on and so forth all the way back to the Crusades.
@Raydensheraj7 ай бұрын
Everything Hitchens needs to be preserved.... phenomenal upload.
@Ron_swanson_true_libertarian7 ай бұрын
I agree, I think I've only ever seen him lose one debate and that was with George Galloway.
@sanasama22096 ай бұрын
A dumbass with Seagull's pic decided that Hitchens lost🤣🤣🤣
@user-em5sz2vj7b6 ай бұрын
@@Ron_swanson_true_libertarianwhat about hitchens vs hitchens debate?
@AC-mp7cx6 ай бұрын
hell no, only said
@janegardener16625 ай бұрын
@@user-em5sz2vj7b You think Peter won?
@mariamtarekarafat10583 жыл бұрын
Avid reader and fan of both. How the hell was KZbin hiding this from me? ❤️❤️
@illegalalien64866 жыл бұрын
Loved it. Thanks for the upload Anyone has this in video !?
@ashwanimalhotra4933 жыл бұрын
It was nothing less than music to my ears.
@LeninChampionedUkraine5 ай бұрын
Anybody else professor Said say “Christopher is the best of the intellectuals” at the end?
@milesbetrov3 ай бұрын
At 28 mins the conversation Christopher has with Edward is the same conversation people had with Christopher when he was dying
@diego67hd9410 ай бұрын
I presume this is Ralph Leonard who uploaded this? I’m a big fan of your writings and work 👏
@charlielingard9623 жыл бұрын
We salute you champions
@winonafrog6 ай бұрын
Great content, like everyone else I am wondering how I missed it. Wish there were 10 hours of these two discussing. Anyone know the source-a library or university event? A Vanity Fair event?
@seanmellows13486 ай бұрын
Wonderful.
@Woof456 ай бұрын
Hitches voice has such command and truth in it. He seems fearless to me.
@janegardener16625 ай бұрын
Fearless, even in regard to drinking and smoking.
@Woof455 ай бұрын
@janegardener1662 Well we have to die of something don't we?
@janegardener16625 ай бұрын
@@Woof45 Yes, we do. I wonder if Christopher was quite so nonchalant when he learned he had cancer. Perhaps he regretted his choice to drink and smoke.
@Woof455 ай бұрын
@janegardener1662 You can fantasize that he was, I suppose, if you like. Are you just wondering or are you an offended God botherer?
@janegardener16625 ай бұрын
@@Woof45 I'm just sorry for his wife and children...and for others who miss his voice and opinions, like myself.
@Desiklown4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sooo much. Does beg the question, what happened to Hitchens post 9/11 and if both were alive today, would the be arch-enemies rather than friends? Both were towering intellects. Such a pathos in how they both left us...
@JaKommenterar4 жыл бұрын
Idris Salik Well they unfortunately did fall out and never reconciled. But I believe things like ISIS, Assad, Netanyahu, Trump’s governance etc would have brought them closer again.
@moosehak2 жыл бұрын
Hitchins wrote a lovely tribute to Said upon his death
@claesmansson90706 ай бұрын
The comedian Bassem Youssef a commedian answers Piers Morgan about newly 7. 10. 2023 in an intelligent way, so there are still people that are worth listening to, by the way there are other methods that you can both treat and avoid cancer, but that s another intelligent story.
@dummlp6 ай бұрын
The interview is embarrassing. Making equivalences between Israel warning civilians before air strikes, Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and of course, of fucking course, the Holocaust. Pseudo intellectual bull shit.
@oraz.6 ай бұрын
He didn't really say much though it was more about emotion
@nchibs83086 ай бұрын
Thank you
@leonardmccannon31367 ай бұрын
Edward Said is a voice who far too many people have not been exposed to. His dialogue here with Hitchens really highlight his intelligence, decency, and compassion. The world needs more of his ilk. Hitchens here is the character I prefer to remember for the majority of his public life. It’s depressing to remember the one who later in life allowed himself to be seduced by fame and power of a pulpit inside the Bush White House. He went on to embrace views that his erstwhile friend Edward would have thought a sad and ignoble devolution. He wound up giving the ideological defence of wars of imperialism as great crusades to defend western societies from the barbarism of Islamic jihad. He even tried to defend the use of water boarding , but let his vanity impair his brain long enough to agree to subject himself to said water boarding. Only then did reality re assert itself into his partisan imaginings.
@johngalt13617 ай бұрын
@@psiclops521 Well said. Reminds me of the many Leftist I somehow attract. Whenever you don’t agree with their worldview, they recommend some book, you obviously aren’t aware of, otherwise…
@salehal-mansoori96747 ай бұрын
You idiot, Christopher was criticized for calling waterboarding a method of torture and then underwent it to report on the horrible experience. There’s literally a video on the subject here on youtube. You might be an idiot, but I encourage you to read Christopher or watch his debates, its not too late; his intelligence might inspire you to use that starved gray goo bound in your skull.
@JoseSoto-tz4cz6 ай бұрын
@salehal-mansoori9674 exactly. Who are these people? Biased of course. Fame? What? He tried to help avoid a freaking Orwellian world.
@ems48846 ай бұрын
That's a strange characterization of Hitchens' views from that era - one which he would reject and refute. Can you do the man the minimum honor of representing his views acurately. You're erecting a straw man argument
@jacobjorgenson92856 ай бұрын
Take what you like and leave the rest
@user-cn3dr5md8m3 жыл бұрын
They were good friends,then broke forever.
@Eric064106 ай бұрын
O Captain My Captain
@johnjosmith42 Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating, glittering listen, thanks ever so much for posting ~ also, around the 31:00 mark, on the subject of Deconstructionists, immediately, regretfully, one’s mind turns to the odious Judith Butler, and all her many enormities of Sisyphean prose 🤦🏻♂️ it was marvellous to hear Said repudiate all that fraudulent horseshit. Again, thank you so much for posting 👏 🇬🇧
@thortessem2718 ай бұрын
RIP🙏🙏🙏
@yungjamir3 жыл бұрын
RIP Christopher Hitchens! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
@leedavis60006 ай бұрын
Brilliant.
@mavigogun6 ай бұрын
So much wisdom and humanity, easily accessed- yet the brutes still refuse to partake.
@melindahuntley98736 ай бұрын
yeah, I second that, so intelligent
@_artorical_6 ай бұрын
What is Said referencing at 32:20? “Trying to articulate ideas that are so deep and obscure that they belong in...”?
@fod20116 ай бұрын
The Dunciad is a landmark, mock-heroic, narrative poem by Alexander Pope published in three different versions at different times from 1728 to 1743. The poem celebrates a goddess Dulness and the progress of her chosen agents as they bring decay, imbecility, and tastelessness to the Kingdom of Great Britain.
@wizzerdsuntzu5 ай бұрын
It's all In the MIND!
@georgejamestaylor75726 ай бұрын
What actually happened to this 'broad?'. Was she prosecuted? Was she banned from running a channel in 'Tik-Tok!'? She threatened to sue several people/companies, did she follow through at all? Or was the legal advice, something like you do not have a case at all. Also the people you threatened to sue, in reality, had no case what so ever to answer to! She is a bonafide crank, that is from the video evidence, absolutely without a doubt! I do/would like however, like her to be punished in some form or another. The absolute narcissism she displayed, clearly demonstrates she is operating totally on a different level of reality than most of us who do operate in reality! Enjoyed the upload & I have very rarely heard women described & called 'broads!'. So I deffo enjoyed that very much! Gb you all, George!!!
@uoza926 ай бұрын
This was entirely too short
@TheBillBunker6 ай бұрын
We’ve pushed intellect into the dustbin.
@lawrencetillotson90335 ай бұрын
who have you replaced them with? C
@oraz.6 ай бұрын
This is more like an interview
@blairhakamies41326 ай бұрын
Curious views on Orwell 😮
@tztz19496 ай бұрын
How can sheltered perspectives lend guidance on anything relating to the political direction of occupation and abusive policies?
@ValleyoftheBlind6 жыл бұрын
Hitchens v Said less than 1k views, huh?
@rohitmukerji72086 жыл бұрын
ValleyoftheBlind is it that surprising? 🙄
@johnk24526 жыл бұрын
VOTB, no surprise to some [many?] of us; where this video impresses as a very "run of the mill" interview --- something Larry King could have done with minimal preparation --- notwithstanding the mid-level academic celebrity of these two. The only bit, of marginal interest which I found, was toward the end when Hitchens queried Said regarding Said's contempt for Eric Arthur Blair [Orwell]; however, there was no time remaining for any meaningful response or discuss. Duh! I can recommend this video, other than perhaps for some sentimentalists, to almost no one. May they both rest in peace.
@winonafrog6 ай бұрын
@@johnk2452Seems you were not listening 😅
@ricksilverstein88486 ай бұрын
Required listening for any elected politician
@axhed6 ай бұрын
oh shit, this is from before 9/11 even.
@carrion_man37002 жыл бұрын
Sadly, Christopher would succumb a decade later. Two sadly needed public intellectuals, gone.
@adribones6 ай бұрын
“I’m an aficionado of lost causes…”
@Horroryoga6 ай бұрын
It reminds me of the notion that there is such a thing as “caliber” in humans. It has an elitist tone I know, but in a purer sense, these were two high caliber people.
@brendanw81366 ай бұрын
There is such a thing as gradation in people; it's not organized by ethnicity or nation or class but there are superior people and inferior ones, and these two people were both of the superior grade.
@swaydam12 күн бұрын
They are high calibre within the mediocre public intellectual sphere. Still mediocre
@Francebras6 ай бұрын
Now we have Sean Hannity and Jim Jordan.. Awful
@CraigStCyrPlus6 ай бұрын
Given a pineapple and he complains of mango.
@ago72126 ай бұрын
@@CraigStCyrPlus- No, we have been given nuts;-)
@nblumer5 ай бұрын
Both had the intellect, but only Said had the heart - so in the end, Said remained a moral beacon while Hitchens degenerated into a neocon. Islamaphobe.
@imankhandaker61036 ай бұрын
....once he has finished his James Dean impression.
@rolandoarco8636 ай бұрын
No mention how Arafat chose the second intifada when offered a good deal at Camp David
@jacobjorgenson92856 ай бұрын
The Zionists had zero intention of keeping the deal
@haroon4206 ай бұрын
Lol. Yh right. And I guess it had nothing to do with the killing of Muhammad al-Durrah.
@rolandoarco8636 ай бұрын
@@haroon420 don’t know who that is. Another fanatic terrorist is my guess
@arc86966 ай бұрын
@@rolandoarco863I guess all Palestinians are terrorists to you . Says so much about you
@ho-mt7pn5 ай бұрын
A good deal? 😂
@dmblum16 ай бұрын
Total Albert Camus pose by Hitchens.
@JoseSoto-tz4cz6 ай бұрын
Hitch! We need you Hitch!!! No one can speak like you these days. They suck.
@johnmott80475 ай бұрын
4 months before Sept 11. All this rosy picture of everyone getting along peachy appears rather sophomoric and naive in retrospect.
The thing about postmodernist is that they believe any piece of writing can be interpreted in any way at all. The problem with that is they don`t think the same principle applies to them.
@j80006 ай бұрын
Is the hypocritical postmodernist in the room with us right now?
@1121-45 ай бұрын
نعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم ومن الظالمين ومعاذ الله (Gaza) رب اغفرلي ولوالدي ولمن دخل بيتي مؤمنا وللمؤمنين والمؤمنات ولا تزد الظالمين إلا تبارا
@MikeHunt-rw4gf6 ай бұрын
algorithm
@brianmacadam47936 ай бұрын
Said says at the start that there "is no promised land", The chaos around world after WW2 has affected the entire world. There were 2 million German refugees that had to move, 14 MILLION refugees between India and Pakistan, how about what Stalin did to Ukraine. And the Holocaust. But we don't talk about all of the millions, we talk about the Nabka ( 700,000? ) in 1948. The Nabka was certainly a tragedy, but where is that in great continuum of tragedies. And how is it that the children and grandchildren and great grandchildren of these original refugees are still named as refugees when in no other conflict has this occurred. Open the gates of the camps, compensate these people who have been imprisoned for generations, give them passports with which to travel. Let them heal, let everyone calm down. Then negotiate.
@arc86966 ай бұрын
Israel doesn't allow that. Israel's final goal is to push out all the Palestinians
@SortOfEggish6 ай бұрын
The displaced refugees refuse to become Egyptians, Lebaneese, American, etc. They choose to remain stateless to preserve their victimhood. And if it is passed down as the primary "identity" to their children, then the conflict of land will never be resolved
@doctorwoohoo11525 ай бұрын
You can tell this conversation took place before 9/11 without looking at the date. It displays remnants of the cavalier (and delusional) late-90s idyll.
@johndunne79006 ай бұрын
Lebanon , Jordan, Iraq, and Syria were formed by the league of Nations mandate system, and include Israel also form from that same league of Nations mandate but Edward has decided that Israel should not exist, but all the others are OK. He will criticize the way Israel was established but avoids criticism of the others even though the process was the same. hypocrisy and distorted history runs through Edward Said entire thesis
@mohamedeldeeb40866 ай бұрын
can you elaborate more on how Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria were established the same way that Israel was? In what ways was the process similar?
@arc86966 ай бұрын
This is bull.😂 It's not about the country names. Its about the PEOPLE. This is an ARAB region. Where arabs (Muslims and Christian) have lived for centuries
@arc86966 ай бұрын
Just look at the faces of the israelis. And you will know they don't come from the middle east. Actually lots of them weren't even born there
@soidogcowboy32826 ай бұрын
@@arc8696almost 60 percent of the Jews in Israel are mizrahi ie Middle Eastern from Iraq, Syria Iran etc
@kb_1006 ай бұрын
Not the same at all. All those countries are populated by their native peoples. While Israel was created by replacing the native Palestinians with European immigrants.
@37Dionysos6 ай бұрын
Ed Said was always worth ten Hitchens.
@Sinhalayaki6 ай бұрын
Bollocks
@37Dionysos6 ай бұрын
@@Sinhalayaki Why? Said a much more focused in-depth scholar, much less pompous, and his aim much less often on sitting ducks. Reply?
@Sinhalayaki6 ай бұрын
@@37Dionysos Said was all about Palestine Palestine Palestine ..... is he as well travelled as Hitchens (first hand experience NOT holiday travel), has he written on diverse subject matter as Hitchens (sure Said wrote Orientalism), Has he engaged in much discourse over fundamentally hard issues such as Religion (not regional politics) with such varied opposition? Said is worthy-but ten Hitchens? Sober up.
@37Dionysos6 ай бұрын
@@Sinhalayaki I simply prefer scholarly research in focused depth: Said does not reduce to Palestine Palestine. Being more traveled (if that's true) puts Hitch all over the place skimming for sound-bytes that become his books of flabby prose. And there's nothing hard about poking holes in Bible-humpers or Mother Theresa. Hitch has opened many paths of escape for mental cripples, but Said has changed both high-level discourse and non-Westerners' ideas of their own humanity and human rights. And, unlike Hitch and you, Said wasn't a souse.
@Sinhalayaki6 ай бұрын
@@37Dionysos it is an impossible task to convince a fanboy of a literary one trick pony whose singular preoccupation was Palestine and imbuing value into how the West saw the Arab world. Hitchens dispised the whole notion of fighting over "holy" real estate...among many other things and wrote with praiseworthy prose and intellect. Flabby mental cripples are all coming out of the woodwork these days at the mention of Palestine and put out clickbaity comments on how their poster boy is worth a dozen of others who are more erudite and cultured than him....
@knowledge56692 жыл бұрын
So comments described Said's effect as "toxic". Well, it sounds to me like a modern version of Socrates "corrupting the youth". Said's work is pivotal: you hate him or like him you MUST start with him. Advice to his distractors: Live with it! Hitch on the other hand changed towards the end of his life. He should have listened to Chomsky when he urged him to go back to his serious work. Alas, he didn't. His jump to the Right wagon was a sad event. He looked out of place when he debated Gallaway. The only good left of him was his stand for atheism. Who knows had he lived longer he might have gone even further to the Right and became a welcomed guest to the like 700 Club. Once your moral campus is compromised, you could end up anywhere. I am really really sorry Hitch. But a recording like this reminds us of a good fella we missed.
@AROSFC7 ай бұрын
or maybe he would be attending Kissinger birthday...
@MattSingh17 ай бұрын
*Goodness, what babbling nonsense. No, Hitchens didn't jump to the right, he advocated fighting Islamofascism. It was Chomsky, Vidal, Said etc. that all ended up making excuses for Islamofascism, the most far-right movement possible. In regard to his Galloway debate, Hitchens thoroughly defeated the lying, criminal scumbag purely using the point of fact. Your slander of Hitchens supposedly becoming right-wing is typical of a cliche regressive leftist, the sort which Hitchens himself demolished many times during the 2000s post-September 11th, 2001.*
@magicbuns48686 ай бұрын
@@MattSingh1 Exactly. Chomsky consistently sides with dictatorships. That's the problem with total pacifism, you end up supporting evil doers
@davidparry53106 ай бұрын
@@magicbuns4868 Where has Chomsky sided with dictatorships? The nearest thing to an example that I'm aware of is where he downplayed the extent of the Khmer Rouge atrocities at the time that they were occurring (and shortly after) has since been disconcertingly equivocal about the position he took then. Also, to the best of my knowledge, he's never claimed to be a pacifist.
@magicbuns48686 ай бұрын
@@davidparry5310 First of all, when one chooses to do nothing in the face of evil under the name of pacifism, you support their actions by your inaction. Chomsky's position on Nazi Germany would be to blame "The West" and call for peace talks etc... Thus allowing Nazi Germany get away with it's behaviour (he's consistent). But an example of a regime he's directly supported was the Cambodian communist regime, that one that but slaughtered about a third of its own people. He's had a tendency of supporting far-left dictatorships in their early days, only to proclaim them right wing once their dirty laundry is revealed. Thus, he repeats the cycle because he can't bring himself to the concept of LW authoritarianism - unlike Hitchens, who's denounced both wings at their ugliest.
@nicobruin86186 ай бұрын
Very pathethic how Said dodges the question of Palestinian terrorism by immediatly resorting to whataboutism.
@arc86966 ай бұрын
Its a logical answer. Nothing comes out of nothing.
@SortOfEggish6 ай бұрын
@@arc8696 But then no one is responsible for their actions ever. And that's not a world that can survive
@BrucknerMotet6 ай бұрын
Whereas one might wish he would urge the grossly violent to be more sparing of innocents and more focused toward specifically identified targets of interest and to have the courage and foresight to take that approach, one cannot fault Said for parrying and sending the discussion (and a discussion was all that it ever was) to the standstill position with his so called "whataboutism", which was nothing to ignore by the way, being the 800 lb gorilla in the room (i.e., the terrible "normalization" and even moral righteousness of modern warfare's increasing demand for 100,000s of innocent victims if only to spare the attackers any risk of harm to themselves as they catapult their explosives 1000s of miles from themselves so they never have to endure any harm or danger themselves - aka cowardice). We can't fault Said for demanding that the question be framed somewhat differently, so that the discussion, debate, conversation, or what have you can actually progress to some better state of affairs than just a stalemate caused by lack of interest or imagination on the part of the questioner.
@patsycrowdis26296 ай бұрын
I wish I had discovered them far sooner in life, took losing my daughter to go searching once and for all… organized religion is designed to stop progress. The homeland for the organization of absolute Patriarchal control is all, nothing holy about it… a demonstration of the lengths the patriarchy will go to maintain the grift…
@patsycrowdis26296 ай бұрын
@@DiogenesNephew Right!!! Or as I say Small penises are us… gonna start a promotion for the ladies, we only need one… gonna nominate Jason Momoa….
@michaelnolan39486 ай бұрын
What utter hogwash
@patsycrowdis26295 ай бұрын
@@DiogenesNephew lol… they do protest so…
@michaellicchi47716 ай бұрын
Yeah, I wish Said was still alive so he could see how wrong he was
@yaseensharawi8034Ай бұрын
About what
@matsuda19946 жыл бұрын
and then 9/11 happened and Hitchens went mad
@omogaju5 жыл бұрын
Luqmaan Waqar, are you implying that 9/11 was orchestrated by Palestinians? Just a question.
@matsuda19945 жыл бұрын
no no not at all, what I am saying was Hitchens was for all intents an open-minded leftist until 9/11 (3 months after this interview). After 9/11 Hitchens completely switched became a right-wing state apologist for all Bush/Blair atrocities abroad. After this Said and Hitchen's relationship deteriorated till Said's death. So it's nice to hear Hitchens before he became insufferable. That said Hitchens always remained pro-Palestinian even through his latter Islamophobic days.
@holdtight35585 жыл бұрын
@@polymathicheretic5068 hates islam :) believes in karma :) haha :)
@holdtight35585 жыл бұрын
@@polymathicheretic5068 thats not my point fool. you're watching a discussion between hitchens and edward Said, author of orientalism...... have you read that? do you know what it entails.... and you are still here criticising islam, you fit the criticism all too well. It's all very ironic :)
@ggrthemostgodless87135 жыл бұрын
@@matsuda1994 I agree, Hitchens made an ALMOST 180 turn... it is sad too that he was mostly known for his atheism and those debates.
@AbuSous2000PR6 ай бұрын
the same Christopher who sold us the war on iraq? no RIP... i am happy he was gone it is sad that Said talked to this intellectual bankrupt individual
@WalayatFamily5 ай бұрын
Two zionist Jews discuss palestine,
@myla61354 ай бұрын
What an odd comment. Neither were Zionists and one was a Christian, the other an atheist. Did you listen to the same interview as I did I wonder? They discussed Palestine amongst many, many other subjects. I found it an utterly engrossing discussion where both men were charming. Unlike many today. People are no longer charming as they are far too opinionated and make short statements with little support for their un-thought through comments.
@sirushti11322 ай бұрын
@@myla6135Said was born a christian but became an atheist later in ife.
@DeeWeber2 ай бұрын
Yes, they both believed Israel had a right of existence but not a right to keep Palestine subjected to collective punishment