Can I Save Hundreds Building My Own Surron X?

[@Fenris1on1]

What most people dont realize is when you're starting a Project like this,, you end up being your own mechanic,, and thats where you really start saving money,,,

[@EdwinOlding]

Very true

[@JS-qi1ou]

I have some questions new to bikes and EV’s, on an E-Bike like this what kind of work would you need to do other than maintenance such as keeping up with the chain and brakes?

[@Endorzan]

@@JS-qi1ou and change tires i think nothing else

[@JS-qi1ou]

@@Endorzan that’s pretty nice, how long does the battery hold up with heavy use? Running the battery down 3 or 4 times a week?

[@nickolaivuicich4105]

@@JS-qi1ou around 3-4 years if you do 4 a week. Depends on how hard you are with the battery.

[@jacobmoore1026]

I’m from Australia & have been desperately waiting for someone to attempt this & document it. Please keep us updated with each step!

[@FortGeo1312]

2 years old but still gold!

[@Vertignasse82]

I just wanted to tell you how much I find your videos useful and informative for people interested in Surron bikes. You answer a lot questions that people probably have, and you clearly explain the process you go through. If I end up getting a Surron (I probably will), it'll be in great part thanks to the information you provided and that contributed to reassure me. Thanks for the great content!

[@EdwinOlding]

Hey I’m glad I could help. I was in your shoes wondering if they were worth it not too long ago so I’m just trying to put out all the information I can

[@fengfang9900]

Agree 100%! Thank You Bro! 👊

[@belden007]

I was thinking the whole time that the frame was smaller on the X160.. Interesting. I own an X260 and love it so much

[@GrindHardPlumbingCo]

yewww

[@kevinclark9176]

Is Scottie Wallace here?

[@codybarker7889]

I was literally having this idea in my heading looking through the bikes and prices and I stumbled upon this video, love it brother🤙🤙🤙

[@MrLew1965]

Use to do Motocross when I was a Kid back in the 80"s ! Now I'm in my 50's and can honestly say that 6 years of Amateur Dirt Bike riding ruined my body !! It has to be one of the most strenuous sports in the world and nobody even thinks about it !

[@kyleray4952]

I wish I knew this before I ordered my x260 from China (still waiting). How exciting man, I'm glad it worked out.

[@kyleray4952]

@Haady Khan Alibaba. Link doesn't exist anymore

[@user-rg5nk5fd8g]

Best of Luck for ur Bike hope it comes soon!

[@kyleray4952]

@Haady Khan $4k

[@thekushman8077]

@@kyleray4952 4K for a Segway that’s expensive that yeno I paid 3.8K for my surron 2021 second hand with 50 miles

[@thekushman8077]

@Haady Khan buy a proper surron mate don’t be touching the Segway bikes

[@carlolding7699]

THANKS for the test ride!

[@GrindHardPlumbingCo]

Anytime that was a blast!

[@treyyoung5921]

Thing is sickk!! Love your content as well, keep up the good work. You and ethan have amused me for multiple hours.

[@EdwinOlding]

Thanks!

[@kevinclark9176]

Surron needs to sell a stripped version. What isn’t upgraded? Frame, seat and motor? Suspension, battery, controller, brakes, wheels, tires, foot pegs, handlebars are all big upgrades.

[@markwilton4412]

Or buy a second hand one and sell the parts you don't want.

[@Tree_Cruiser]

I am really looking forward to more of this series. Awesome project and thank you, Edwin, for stepping to the plate to help us all discover what is what between these two bikes. For science!

[@GrindHardShorts]

For science! I am happy to do it!

[@Mikefestiva]

That bike looks like a blast 👍 Nice riding too!

[@Loganl1980]

I built a diy mid-drive with NuVinci internally geared rear hub and it's crazy! These are so much fun!

[@GrindHardShorts]

That sounds super sick!

[@EdwinOlding]

Hope this project works 🤞🤞🤞

[@maxbates1798]

Where did you order the black fox 40s

[@MstrB0ss]

Bro, can you please do a video on performance with the x160 battery and the surron x controller for those curious how just a controller swap would hang? Speed, range etc. just subbed, fucking glad I found your channel!

[@ImAlive11550]

Do you think you could rig it so it charges at an EV charge station using the universal port that most automotive manufacturer's use?

[@jamesdanielsfanpage7610]

@@ImAlive11550 😂😂😂😂😂

[@alekpeterson5321]

This channel really beats the brakes off of cars and cameras and I’d rather be welding. I love all the projects and contraptions all the channels make, but you guys actually ride them! Love to see athletes and experienced riders come up with new toys and really get on them, the other channels ought to just send you their projects to rip around on because watching them gingerly drive them in an open field is frustrating

[@jjhack3r]

This isn’t the grind hard plumbing channel. This is just one of the guys from there

[@g20.charlie]

Brother got a x160 and now has 19in wheels, dnms, bac 8000, 72v battery, and loads more. And it’s silver

[@chrisMc1972]

What's the top speed?

[@g20.charlie]

@@chrisMc1972 about 60. He has a 58t. I have a 48t sprocket

[@jolonsweeney8387]

It definitely looks to be a quickest bike I would replace the front forks with Fox 40s and the rear shock with the Fox DHX they work nicely on my downhill bike so they should be perfect for the Surron X cheers cool video

[@561josh7]

Love to see someone in the trails with it thing rips 🔥

[@xpndblhero5170]

Now if I only had a Segway bike and a few thousand dollars sitting around, I too could have a bike like this...... Edit: The link in the description says it's $3000 but they are actually $3500...Thats like $600 from a Sur Ron, but you still can get this bike then you can do the BAC 4000 or 8000 and it would be cheaper, that might make it be a beast.

[@OregonTrailR]

Very nice! I did the same thing with my original sur ron (bought it right before the x controller became available a few years back) , had a helluva time with the bolts, they were overtorqued like crazy!!! Super sick single track you guys have out there, reminds me of home in southern Oregon.

[@-._._._-_._._.-]

Something I might have to do. Will be keeping up with the build.

[@EdwinOlding]

I’ll do a full video at the end if it worked or not

[@lemont452]

For the sur ron x 160, you can use the 60v battery without changing your current standard controller. You really didn't need to change your controller...👍👍 Great job dope vid

[@PhiTonics]

Can't wait for the results!! 🙌

[@TrojanHorse1959]

Great video and subject Edwin, thank you!

[@playwithfire1070]

man i'm so happy with my surron, like you say something about this Emoto Bikes puts a smile on my face like nothing else :D

[@Turbski1IRL]

What did the range and speed gain??

[@FarmerFpv]

OS motors are coming out with a clone Sur Ron motor and controller combo but in the 8kW nominal power range. So with a 60v battery, it will have close to the performance of running a 72v battery but you will of course suffer range unless you add a piggyback battery for that extra bit of range. You should check out the Drill one E-bike, the thing is a beast. Nice riding, Edwin, so jealous of your trails, lol.

[@travisedwards6837]

That's dope I love when people find hacks like this

[@GrindHardShorts]

It is the best!

[@taylorshockley2210]

How is this cheaper the x160 is 3500 and the battery alone sells for around 1100 on ebay that’s 4600 not including the controller forks or wheels Am I missing something?

[@TheRealElectricOutdoors]

buy a sur ron

[@overpoweredbikes]

Awesome video, love the parts list!

[@robertwalker841]

that footage of you on the trails has made me want to sell my norco sight e bike and get a surron.

[@quinnfoster4671]

Would love to see you get a Trampa 100/250A motor controller and testing out the self balancing wheelie mode feature on a bike like this. All you need is another lever on the handlebars to hook up for activating it.

[@EdwinOlding]

That would be super cool I am going to look into this!

[@quinnfoster4671]

​@@EdwinOlding Yep I would say go with the 75V 300A but I think it still does not have a gyro IMU, hit up Trampa and they might want to work out some kind of deal for promotion! The exact feature I talked about still needs to be added but there is nothing stopping it. This is the developer working on the wheelie mode for the VESC project: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKGsgqV6p7Kqh7s

[@robertos4172]

The real point though is with a 3k Segway, a what 2K 72 V battery, a new controller, wheels, tires, forks, this thing will be north of 8K just in parts. It has mountain bike brakes but weighs over 100 lbs, can hit speeds way over what those brakes can sustain, that's another upgrade.....That is hard to justify.

[@hiradmobayyen9309]

would you still get surron range if you put a surron battery in the x160 or do you have to have the surron controller in the bike aswell?

[@sagegalley4350]

Hey man I know this is a older video but I really can't figure out exactly if I need to upgrade my x160 controller or just upgrade to a x260 or surron battery to reach surron or x260 power.

[@michaellundbom363]

This is dope. I am totally considering using my spare parts to convert an x160 instead of just selling them on CL now!

[@TheRealElectricOutdoors]

howd that go

[@Eli-Motes]

R u the dude from that channel with the barbie jeep

[@painmad]

Segway site says X160 is 3w and X260 is 5w, so there's a difference here, or is it not? I am very interested in doing what you do... get x160 and upgrade but my problem is... is the motor exactly the same?

[@seaham3d695]

Great video, keep them coming!

[@mauriciocrespo8436]

Hello, I'd like to know the diference of the segway 160 and sur ron motor?

[@myphonemines417]

Currently bought an x160 installed x Controller battery and motor but can’t go over 37mph. And wire was cut. Any solutions. Thanks for your videos

[@excitedtv]

Is the motor actually the same? All the specs online suggest that Max Motor Power is 3KW, 5KW, and 6KW for the X160, X260, and Sur Ron X respectively

[@deadchannel9094]

Is this the same as upgrading a Segway x260 and surron X to 72v and all other upgrades?

[@vaseto1987]

Whats the milage on this beast do you thing i can use it for delivery in the city

[@trevorda]

Cant wait to see if this works long term

[@EdwinOlding]

I am super curious about the longevity too

[@mrrolandlawrence]

interesting... i was thinking of getting the surron x and upgrading, but if the segway is essentially the same & im upgrading the parts.. why not save a few quid. great video with technical information & tips.

[@rafaelmoreno3243]

Can you put the pedal kit on this model

[@awktik7074]

Would be interesting to keep the 17 on the back and put the 19 on the front only

[@EdwinOlding]

I was thinking the same thing but I can’t find any good off road tires for it

[@kyleray4952]

@@EdwinOlding you may need to use an 85 class mx front tire.

[@Markle_B]

Great idea, awesome watch! Subscribed!

[@EdwinOlding]

Awesome thanks!

[@nickcraig2417]

Selling my crf250l and coping one doing the suron upgrades

[@bouymarker]

have you installed bark busters on the handle bars yet?

[@elimoeller9154]

I installed a Surron X controller on an x160 but no throttle response. Did you have any issues? Running a 60v battery currently.

[@elimoeller9154]

Did the display work? I did this and my speed didn’t change from zero.

[@builtforspeed5274]

Wait isn't the motor for the 160 and the 260 different?

[@MrMjwaggoner]

Yes. X160, x260, and X are all different motors. I think 3000, 5000, & 8000

[@topsper1770]

Can you do a step by step guide on installing the new controller and how to properly put the battery in?

[@EdwinOlding]

I could do a video on that next time I do it

[@jyecameron7690]

@@EdwinOlding please do that!!!! I am pickup up a stock X controller and battery in a few days.

[@devisionhun]

I guess the “pitfall” is, that people also upgrade all those surron X parts for a reason 😂 so, yeah, you get a cheaper X, but you’ll still need all the same fork, sprocket, wheel, battery and controller upgrades, this time with parts that everyone wants to buy…

[@GrindHardShorts]

True, if you plan on upgrading anything anyway than this is a super cheap place to start!

[@roseroserose588]

This is what I was thinking, if you're spending less then upgrading up to surron parts then the surron upgrades surely will also fit? Seems as though if you're gonna get the segway anyway, it might make more sense to save for longer and get the upgraded parts right off the bat, the biggest chunk of cash will always be the bike itself

[@Mcmerry170]

Do u think this build would be good for a 220 lb rider for commuting ?

[@razaa3459]

Depends on the length of the commute

[@KeithAVass]

Your link to Amazon shows the Segway X160 as unavailable (to Australian buyers anyway) and only a 240w motor-surely the Sur Ron motor is 6000w???

[@keepitraw1]

guys when do expect to have a new model of the sur ron? i plan to buy it early next year, not sure if i want to buy the "older" version. would be not so great if they release a new one shortly after. do you recommend any sources where can i get information about that?

[@fluorescentblack4336]

You're really going for it man well done!

[@_donjose]

did you have any issues when upgrading the controller and battery to the way it starts going?I just swapped mine and the take off is choppy asf lmao

[@przemysawludkowski5769]

I've swap S 48V controller which I was using with 60V custom battery to X 60V controller but I can't see difference. There should be torque and speed increase but bike is behaving same way. Ant BMS is also showing that it Takes only 60A while it should reach at least 80A now. Is there any programming needed?

[@antonkarpeyev6267]

What's happening? Can we get an update on how your x160 doing? Also, would the motor handle the 72v or bac4000?

[@joshuahuang07]

yes it's the same as sur ron motor

[@e4James]

The motors are not the same. Light bee X has an 8k motor 160 has a 5k motor most likely overheat and shut off

[@romeofoxtrot363]

Is better to build a bike or buy a Sutton x & then buy the 72v mod??? I’m new any help helps

[@stevenburton2302]

Inspiring to think that can be done.

[@nickmassey9104]

So segways seems like the surrons poor cousin .but not anymore Really great. Fit the fox's 21 front 19 rear reverse mullet style 😎

[@kevinclark9176]

The mullet name from mountain biking is large front wheel, small rear. Business up front, party in the rear.

[@thskyworks2868]

Edwin, I caught the X controller swap in the video but did I miss the part where you swapped the stock x160 battery for a higher output one? Or did this test take place using the x160 battery?

[@EdwinOlding]

I did put in the 60v Surron battery in this video

[@EdwinOlding]

Should have made that more clear

[@thskyworks2868]

@@EdwinOlding I had the feeling it was a 60v. All good. Just want to make sure those out there that are looking to upgrade understand that simply swapping the controller will not do it, you also need to upgrade the batt. Keep up the good vids!

[@geraldladera]

would like to know about the charge, does it support long distances?

[@tomroethke]

Wow! I thought that I recognized your voice!!

[@tomtee4442]

Where is the deal on the Segway not finding it?

[@TheeDrSack]

How did you get your x160 to go above 36mph? Gots my Gladiator battery today and can’t get it to go past the limiter (assuming I can use same controller)

[@lewismulley6752]

now the real question is the 72v in the light bee s

[@kevinreeves3161]

Whats up with the green wire you cut it or leave it alone

[@joestillwell8287]

Hey Edwin... I just realized that I cut the green wire with the black stripe between the controller and the plastic harness. Unfortunately, this made the top speed even slower (only 21 mph). But after reviewing this video again, I think that you cut the same color wire after the plastic harness, which leads to the battery. I reconnected my mistake but I am afraid to cut the wire again before confirming with you. Could you clarify where to cut the green wire with black stripe? I would greatly appreciate it! I subscribed and click the like button

[@dominickesposito2182]

Hi Edwin listen thanks a lot for getting back with me on the question that I had earlier I've got another question on that stock x160 harness coming out of the neck going into the new controller you had mentioned that you cut the green wire with the black stripe is that correct just wanted to make sure before I start doing any cutting thanks so much for your time

[@nickc7039]

Hey man what’s your top speed with the x battery and controller? Thanks

[@DatGuyCuts]

How’s this holding up? Curious because I’m thinking about doing the same with mine.

[@Statesguard]

Does the Eco/Sport switch still work when upgrading to the Sur Ron X stock controller? Very informative and fun video to watch! Can’t wait for the next on the series as I’m looking to upgrade my x160 just like this. Cheers!

[@JesseFishing1]

i have the same question!!!

[@_donjose]

it does still work I just swapped/upgraded my x160 with the controller x and a 60v battery

[@shanelagonoy8769]

you should upgrade the motor to a X motor because the motor on the x160 has a smaller stator and the magnets are a lot smaller than the X motor it might burn your motor

[@Ameritude]

Definitely watching this one

[@dominickesposito2182]

Edwin help..lol hey bro just trying to get ahold of you to find out when you cut that green and black wire coming out of your stock harness going into the new controller and that was the correct one?? So its the green and black wire coming out of your stock harness going into the new controller..lol sorry to bug you bro but just want to make sure before I hook up my new controller

[@bisket2003]

How long you wheelin like that on a single battery/charge??

[@rainmaker3700]

Are you thinking 21's in the front??

[@visualdosage234]

i think u didnt have to cut that wire because u can unlock the full speed in the app too

[@jaymugridge1810]

Great for a younger or smaller rider . Is it practical to carry a spare battery in some type of padded pack ? Just a thought. Great show .

[@briandhoward6137]

I use to carry a second battery in a backpack. Wasn't horrible.

[@kyle6650]

Can i cut that wire with the stock x160 set up or it wouldn’t do anything?

[@lostwithasmile485]

That is what I was thinking!!! It sucks that he cut it after putting the new controller...hmmm...

[@chrisMc1972]

I'm not a expert but I think I heard you can and it will give you around 5 to 7 mph

[@kyle6650]

Driving me crazy lol i just want to know @@lostwithasmile485

[@lostwithasmile485]

@@kyle6650 do it! Lol! Honestly, the difference between 32 and 42 wouldn't be too big a deal for me. Just drain the battery fast than it already does...

[@kyle6650]

@@lostwithasmile485 I’m just nervous i will fry the stock controller or the wiring

[@sleiger8855]

is the new surron youth with standard x controller? just found one on a dealer with an x on the controller

[@signaturestreetballmoves]

I did this project myself but better off buying a surron

[@pocho3881]

Why's that? Too much work?

[@signaturestreetballmoves]

@@pocho3881 it isn’t if you already have the parts. x160 is like 3k. By the time you get all the parts to covert it to an x version… (and do all the work). You could just buy a surron and probably save a few bucks. X260 is $4500-5000. X160 like 3k-$3500. Surron $4100.

[@chrisMc1972]

So the 160 has the super moto wheels on it but it has dirt tires?also is it the same size frame as the X?

[@briandhoward6137]

Frame is 100% the same

[@danielmorales4592]

How much from frame to tires complete build and links

[@KILLAHUNT1]

Im looking this x160 bike up on their website and it’s sold out and priced at 4500 not 3000 anymore 😢

[@LarryRichelli]

I know this from having guys tell me that the motor on the 160 is different. I thought it was the same but some guys will swear up and down that the motors are less powerful on the 160. What do you think or know on this subject? Also you can buy the sur ron motor at Luna Cycles for around $650

[@villagemultimedia7906]

I love this bike bro

[@scottbradshaw6767]

That's wild!!

[@itzstoic9135]

green wire black stripe has to be cut on the 160 if converting to bac4000?

[@easidaz]

Aside from the tires is the body differnt sizes?

[@trevorgriffith7601]

So if everyone upgrades their surron, could you not upgrade the Segway the same way the Surron is upgraded? Rather than buying slightly used parts, buy the Segway and purchase whatever replaceable parts everyone is putting on the surron?

[@frankenstein3163]

I don't see why not. I defiantly would not buy a used battery as I don't know what abuse it has ben thrue.

[@MrMjwaggoner]

On the Segway website and even the emoto bros acknowledge that the x160 is a smaller less powerful motor. I think it’s a 3000 vs 5000 difference.