How Much Did I Save Building My Own Surron? $$$

I built my own Surron x starting with a cheaper electric motorcycle model the Segway x160. This is the same bike with smaller forks and tries plus a weaker battery. My first step was to buy a Surron X or X 260 battery then sell in smaller battery. Next I bought dual clamp forks and traded my 17" wheels for the 19s from a Surron X. Get every thing used and save some money! This was a super easy DIY. With a few wrenches and Allen keys you can build your own Surron.
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[@johnty505]

Thank you for this - very informative. for someone intending to build a much upgraded surron x 72v/upgraded controller/supermoto tyres upgraded forks/brakes etc its a no brainer to start with the segway.

[@loopholeculture]

Wish I would have seen this before I bought my Ron. Great video Edwin

[@xpndblhero5170]

I think if I could get a Segway x160, I'd be happy w/ that then I'd upgrade the parts over time whenever I save up enough.... I don't do much off-roading so it would be a street beast for me to get around town and not have to use gasoline, I'd probably look to set up a solar panel so I could charge the bike for free too, a completely emissions free transportation is a dream bike for me. 😁❤️

[@kimhyunwoo8983]

Honestly I don’t think the solar panel would even be a worth it investment, generally charging these bikes cost Pennies. So even if you charged it every day maybe even multiple times you’d probably spend less than $50 max charging it the entire year

[@sa2ah0]

it cost less than .35 cents to charge my talaria lol

[@jessepitt]

I really want to get one of these for my Dad. He’s in his mid seventies and still riding a KLX 250 but I think this would be an awesome addition to his arsenal.

[@chapmancollins3519]

Better be careful these are crazy torquey

[@frankenstein3163]

TY TY TY.. You saved me $600 just on the bike order. Cant w8 to do more. I never sub to ppl but you earned it.

[@excitedtv]

Holy crap, did not realize the X160 controller can handle 60V (vs the 40V battery it comes with). You just saved me $200 and a drive!

[@excitedtv]

ended up buying a Sur Ron X controller for $150 with a set of 19" wheels for $250 ... figured I might as well try it to see if I can notice a difference. Just installed, initial test only Eco mode seems a bit more torquey, will test further tomorrow. Haven't installed the wheels yet, might do that later tomorrow

[@excitedtv]

upon further testing, the X controller made a HUGE difference in torque and Amperage output. I'm able to go basically full speed up hills now where it was slowing down before

[@excitedtv]

perhaps the significant difference for me is because I'm using a BMS-bypassed battery. I suspect a fully stock battery might not have such a noticeable improvement between controllers

[@ziqov]

are you using the stock motor still? i have a stock surron battery i don’t think it’s bypassed and i’m tryna figure out if i should try the surron x controller and see if there’s a difference

[@miguelalzamora7004]

@@excitedtvdid you use the x160 motor with the x260 controller? Any problems? Is the motor still working as good as before? Thank you in advance.

[@marielarebelo9194]

Loved this format!

[@EdwinOlding]

I will keep em coming

[@Vasil555Visions]

LESSSS GOOOO, great video bro!

[@EdwinOlding]

Hey thanks!

[@antssta]

I believe the engine numbers are different on the 160 and light bee S in the newer model… just something to keep in mind not sure if the upgrade path is as vast power wise but probably not an issue. I would have loved a Red Ron! Though powder coating the frame is definitely something I’m going to be doing. Good to see an upload looking forward to the next one!!

[@blocky623]

What does that mean

[@antssta]

@@blocky623 just going off what I’ve read from people on Facebook. I have read the motors may be slightly different. Realistically I don’t think they would be but I haven’t seen both motors split side by side.

[@tintin6291]

@@antssta they are different. they can both still handle 15kws no problem tho so its not really an issue

[@mct8888]

@@tintin6291 I thought the Segway was only a 4kw motor?

[@YT_Mr.-Oreo]

Thank you so much I was going to buy a surronX for $5000 but I will do what you have done such a good idea

[@mikemorgan8588]

These are all Chinese sourced components that rebrand locally. Every seemingly specialized component? Yep; it’s a Chinese product. Search long enough and you will find a exact part or one better that is made in China. They are running a decade in advance of our EV understanding.

[@epicprince3441]

Not to piss everyone off but i bought a brand new sur ron x for $53.88 and it was shipped straight to my doorstep ...thanks snapchat

[@focuswest2736]

@@epicprince3441 lies

[@Jackfeehan]

Stop talking

[@theegond5634]

@@epicprince3441 Not to burst your bubble pal but i bought mine for $9.99 teleported straight from china right into garage. Thx TikTok👍🏻

[@AT-ot7nu]

@@epicprince3441 Im not lie I bought for $30 buck

[@itssimon7362]

fun fact, the motor is actually smaller than on the x260/ light bee x

[@daveyj0nez525]

Awesome video! I'm building a 72v x160 and one thing I noticed was the rear shock is a 9.5x3 where as the X has a 10.5x3.5. not a big deal as I upgraded to a DHX2 but just thought I'd put it out there.

[@EdwinOlding]

Hey that is great to know thanks!

[@GrindHardShorts]

If the motor holds up to the 70 to vote then we know for sure it’s the same!

[@JayC-vd9ls]

Are you able to fit a 10.5 shock into the x160? The longer shock stroke would in theory increase real wheel travel.

[@daveyj0nez525]

@@JayC-vd9ls yes you can it just makes it like a stock x

[@Helena_Lombardi]

Dream bike. I dont know if I will ever get a chance to have it but hopefully yes

[@sneakersnsupercars]

Great video!! Would be great to have a similar video on doing the 72v conversion as I'm looking to do the same to mine when it finally arrives

[@EdwinOlding]

Will do for sure!

[@laquanmincey9754]

Where can I buy a 72v conversion battery

[@miguel360kmc]

I just realized who you are from your other channel.. cool stuff

[@musicbox4022]

I wonder if you could build a “dream build” out of a 160. I wish you could purchase just a frame and a motor (literally the only 2 components I kept stock)

[@p0ppapvsio]

you can from some places

[@musicbox4022]

@@p0ppapvsio awesome… send me the link

[@tintin6291]

@@musicbox4022 SURRONSHOP

[@bernardo9202]

@@musicbox4022 checkout sur ron canada

[@GrindHardPlumbingCo]

Yewwww

[@ridefarm5528]

someone told me x160 has a different controller, i guess he was wrong. Thanks for the real info

[@jeffs8387]

It is different however it can handle a stick 60v battery and you will see a speed increase. To get the full impact you need to swap controller as well

[@ridefarm5528]

​@@jeffs8387 I tried it out on my girlfriend's Surron S. It's definitely not as powerful as my X but it's heaps faster!

[@FumblsTheSniper]

My thought was to piece the entire bike out. I’ll be keeping an eye on eBay. Surely there a few scratches frames and swapped out motors.

[@layeetskeeters9244]

Been waiting for an update!

[@EdwinOlding]

Here she is!

[@casualwoodchuck]

This guy sold me on at least building my husband one of these it's electric big guy myself thankfully from 20 years in the Army and Contracting muscle at the same time I'm 270 lb basically well 250 adding clothes everything else and small pack like I said big question which one of these is the best for big guys because the guy who made this video I'm just going to steal his idea and make that for my husband because they're both around the same size

[@l92272]

Need to ship this guy my bike

[@zentrimmer7397]

Is the motor in these two bikes the same? If so you could go for a 72v battery and controller if you wanted? I could be wrong, but would be interesting

[@LifeWithStiel]

Is this a good deal?? 3800 for a used 2021 sur ron with 253 miles on it •Kaniwaba mock pedal kit •RGB underglow lighting (can change colors with remote) •New Shimano H03C brake pads (not installed still in packaging) •Quad lock phone mount •Alarm system with remote key But i have to drive 4 hours both directions. So 8 hours total..

[@davidsin6195]

i got the x160 and change to belt drive and got x controller and x motor upgrades

[@rideenduro5800]

I have been thinking the same thing. Even if you are going to do a bac4000 60v or 72v with wheels, suspension, ect, why start out with the Surron x that’s a grand more, just start out with the Segway x160 or Surron s so the you have a grand more to spent on upgrades. Great video!

[@EdwinOlding]

True! All you need is the frame the motor in the wiring harness everything else most people upgrade eventually anyways

[@JayC-vd9ls]

Is the x160 motor the same as the surron x motor?

[@rideenduro5800]

@@JayC-vd9ls I am pretty sure it is the same

[@LarryRichelli]

@@JayC-vd9ls NO!

[@LarryRichelli]

@@rideenduro5800 NO, they are not the same!

[@sagegalley4350]

What was the difference between the controllers did you figure out? I just got a surron x controller and am putting it on my x160 with stock 48 battery upgrading battery when I can sell mine

[@przemysawludkowski5769]

Were You able to reach over 60 km/h with X controller and stock 60V battery?

[@jamesgillihan2478]

can you put the 72V (or 84V) battery into the segway x160, or can the motor not handle it?

[@sterlingburk3790]

So you're saying you can plug a x260 or surron 60v 32AH battery into a stock x160 with a stock x160 controller and it will work and increase the range and top speed.

[@kyle6650]

That’s what i wanna know

[@joshchamberlain9413]

@@kyle6650 yes, its one of the most common upgrades

[@JesseFishing1]

no way this works

[@pesqair]

i'm skeptical as well. why does everyone else on the web talk about needing to upgrade the controller as well?

[@donovannieves3376]

yes it does!

[@truth8508]

The x160 is 3500 today though - 2022.

[@lonncraw9263]

Never knew this bike existed until I seen one up in lowville ny. Looks cool now I'm wanting one. 😆 🤣 😂

[@rgrochester5435]

Thats funny. I have a camp in Lowville. You may see me soon riding one of these there..

[@ianuproar447]

Good video! Informative. Now when I buy one I'll definitely just buy the 160 and a battery and call it a day cuz I'm only 5'7" lol

[@GrindHardShorts]

Perfect!

[@tintin6291]

trust me its wayyyy to small for you. im 5'7 and had the x160

[@Orcabracer]

Are you telling me the controller and motor on the x160 is the exact same as the x260/Sur Ron x? So by simply dropping a better battery in I will automatically get higher top speeds and range without messing with the app or settings?

[@JayC-vd9ls]

This is the question everyone is asking. I've been researching and haven't found a concrete answer yet. But so far, what I've read suggests they're different.

[@jeffs8387]

I have both and the difference is the 160 has 48v battery, slightly different controller, worse fork, BUT the motor is the same! I upgraded my 260 with a BAC 4000 and Chi 60v HD battery. Moved my old 260 battery and controller into my sons 160 and it is just as fast as when my 260 was stock. Hope that helps

[@JayC-vd9ls]

@@jeffs8387 Thank you!!!!

[@tintin6291]

the controller and motor ARE NOT THE SAME. HOWEVER the x160 can handle 15kws just like thew sur ron x motor. the controller on the x160 can handle the 60v battery but it wont be the same as a 60v with the X controller.

[@tintin6291]

@@JayC-vd9ls they are different. however both motors can handle 15kws so it doesn't really matter

[@jake4194]

Why didn't you just buy the 72v battery instead?

[@JesseFishing1]

wait so your telling me if i buy anx260 or surron x battery i can just put it in the 160 without a controller swap?

[@daveyj0nez525]

Yes. but you will get slightly less acceleration vs an x controller

[@pesqair]

Hey I also bought an x160 looking to upgrade it over time. So you are saying that the x160 controller will handle a 60V battery no problem???

[@JoeGaris]

Yes I watched another video where these guys put a 60v battery into their x160 with the stock controller and they noticed an increase in torque and they clocked the top speed at close to 42 mph... kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp3LYWBtqM6LeMU

[@PiranhaVS]

Great video

[@ELECTRIC-DNA]

Great video man, where were you able to snag a battery for $800?

[@taylorcarling4166]

That’s what I’m wondering too. Can’t find a battery for that cheap

[@silviosirianni9260]

loving you vids Ed, just subbed.

[@MotoBinks]

Do you have the link to the ridepanda site for the Segway?

[@1kush130]

Should convert one into a power wheels build Looks like it can rip in the video and more electricity more power so maybe 2 batteries Idk just a thought but always great content here thanks

[@edwinbacotot8636]

Very nice sir I am you're new subcriber from the phillipines

[@davidjessee7701]

I'm 6' and 220 lbs am I too big for this bike? Just single track and riding around town?

[@abrahamli5502]

where can you find the rst killah forks for 300? i can only find the ones that go for around 600.

[@EdwinOlding]

Should @grindhardplumbingco Giveaway in electric dirtbike or gas bike for the next giveaway?

[@skylarpeppler7780]

Electric

[@aaronmedvedskiy1303]

Gas

[@MrNobody_1618]

So it's the same controlor from the sur ron x !?

[@evilxt420]

I just did the same thing and for some reason my bike topped out at 24mph after the swap. Any idea why this would be? Are you able to use the app still after the swap? Not sure if it makes a difference and I don’t see how it could but I had removed the green and black wire from the harness and taped it rather then cutting it. Also when I got this bike they had the green wire cut like a surron on top of the battery. I put that one back together. Didn’t seem to do anything. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Ok so now I have the green with black stripe wire cut and Bluetooth nodule disconnected. Bike will not go over 37mph on a stand.

[@jeffs8387]

When power is fully disconnected from the controller it resets. You need to reconnect to the controller using the Segway app- watch the 3 minute video, the. You can turn the throttle up.

[@evilxt420]

@@jeffs8387 hello Jeff. Thank you for reply. I was able to connect to the app as soon as I put the stock controller back on. Then I switched to the x controller again after setting up the app and now the app says I need to activate the device first and I can’t do anything. So It seems the X controller doesn’t recognize the Bluetooth app or I’m doing something wrong. I also cut the green and black wire this time and the bike does 38 on speedometer and 34 on gps. Something isn’t right. I believe I should be getting over 40mph. My numbers seem really weird compared to everyone else I saw. The bike stock does around 31 and then the bike should do another 10mph with the 60v. Mine was stuck at 24mph and now 38. Anyone?

[@tintin6291]

@@evilxt420 theres a bluetooth device under your seat. remove it

[@evilxt420]

@@tintin6291 that’s what I figured but the bike seems exactly the same without it. Should removing it just completely bypass it and make it like a surron?

[@bloodsport_718nyc]

what's the latest on your bike setup? i have questions lol.

[@eboardr]

Cool ,interesting and informative 👌 video

[@calebkissinger5451]

awesome vid, vary informative 🚲 YEWWW!!

[@woaken]

Damn, thanks for this! Badass!

[@VroomNDoom2602]

Hopefully someone can answer this question: I currently own a Sur Ron light bee and a Segway x160. Do the speed controllers have the same tune? If I put the bigger battery in the x160, will it be the same as in the Sur Ron? If I put the 48V battery in the Sur Ron, will it be like the x160, or will it draw too much from the battery? Also, with the x160, does the green wire with the black stripe need to be cut, or is it just not governed? I know it already reaches speeds over 35mph (according to the speedometer) with the 48V battery whereas the Sur Ron originally stopped at 30. I think I saw in the previous vid that he took the controller off and cut a wire.

[@loganellis5449]

Where did you get the light bee? Are you in the USA? I’m trying to find one

[@VroomNDoom2602]

@@loganellis5449 I live in California, I bought it used from someone, sorry.

[@bloodsport_718nyc]

did you ever get your answer? i'm curious about cutting a wire for the x160, or if it's even necessary.

[@VroomNDoom2602]

@@bloodsport_718nyc never got an answer. Don't cut any wires in x160, just use app. My x160 is actually dead rn and I'm waiting for segway to email me back on a fix.

[@bloodsport_718nyc]

@@VroomNDoom2602 lol i wasn't going to cut any wires unless it was 100% positive. so little info out there on modding x160s. i'm right now just debating whether i need to swap the controller or will a surronx battery alone be good enough for extended range and speed increase. good luck with hearing back from segway.

[@v000000000000v]

so if i wanna convert it to super moto anyway i might as well just get the x160 and just get the battery and tires and maybe fork?

[@tintin6291]

the rear wheel on the x160 is not the same as the rear wheel on the super motos from luna. yes you can put street tires on but it wont be the same.(not worth it)

[@MrNobody_1618]

Why not doing this but with a 72v setup so you can see how ship it can be to have a 72v surron

[@catfat375]

I put everything together but the front forks has a lot of play do not know what’s the issue

[@stevenbenavente1229]

Good job

[@DrAnjhony]

have you ran into issues with the motor on your x160? its a smaller less powerful motor

[@Rattus-Norvegicus]

Obviously it's up to you but personally I'd love to see more riding videos, even if you are just shredding the Grindhard homestead. I'd be curious what time you could get on the course with both the 160 and x and maybe a comparable 2 stroke and 4 stroke.

[@silviosirianni9260]

have to admit, i really did enjoy this vid also.

[@NerdsWithFriends]

Just the battery? Not the controller?

[@shawnsebikesandstuff15]

Great video at some point can you do a follow-up battery view on the lightspeed 72 volt like running at full power and check battery temperature I hope you get the snow bike kit I remember mentioning that to you when you first started this channel for ebikes that would be epic 😂😂🔥🔥💥💥

[@EdwinOlding]

I will for sure! I will have to get a temp gun

[@shawnsebikesandstuff15]

You should have a vbms app to get reading from the BMS I'm pretty sure light speed uses the 300 amp BMS which will have all the temperature of the batteries and mosfet your BMS can have four additional heat sensors plus voltage sag from each series group I always have my BMS app on my cell phone on when I go riding of course I use 120 amps with 200 amp burst with a 3.2 KW hour battery lots of fun take it easy have a great week.

[@robbieking8874]

Great to know thanks

[@EdwinOlding]

😜

[@robbieking8874]

@@EdwinOlding going to get one regster it as a moped as its leggel in uk as a 50cc when your 16 at 30 mph the get the bac400 then goes 65 you shauld get the ktm freeride it an electric bike in my profile pic

[@Endorzan]

so lets say i would buy a x160. Then i would swap the battery to 72 volt and change the controller. Will the motor handle it? And what kind of top speed it would have.

[@greg6162]

I’m 6’3 at 199/lbs is the Sur Ron too small for me… or can I get the biggest tires to make it work?

[@DrAnjhony]

what kind of range do you get on your current set up?

[@mikepompano4248]

Have you guys ever jumped the barn. It looks like a down hill skee jump

[@tomlim4749]

awesome tip!!

[@aarongunner1711]

Can you show us more of ur art/photography or drone videos ?? ☺️☺️☺️

[@Haitian_Macgyver]

Nice video sir. I'm looking into getting a sur ron myself. I wad wondering if the Killah fork fits the stock wheels and upgraded tires etc? I actually found those same fork on Facebook for 200$.

[@fletchersland8459]

Same top speed without the x controller?

[@EdwinOlding]

I will be testing this soon!

[@gmodesike]

@@EdwinOlding why would you say in your video it is the case when you don't know?

[@archiebrooks801]

Can u reply and put every single part that u used coz im thing of making one

[@trer04]

Doesn't the X160 come with a 3KW motor while the X260 comes with a 7KW motor? Interested to see the longevity of the X160 motor when used with the power upgrades.

[@nickolaivuicich4105]

You can get a x motor from luna for 650 but i also really want to know

[@eliasgilotte]

I’ve read that they are listed differently because of the power the battery and control output. (Potential just the battery)

[@tintin6291]

the motors are different but both can handle 15kws

[@sagegalley4350]

Soo do I need to upgrade my controller as well as my battery I'm confused

[@dan.b84]

Selling my 110 right now to do this, but i will be upgrading further as i am a bit of a fatty haha. How quickly did it take you to sell the parts?

[@kausion23]

The motors between the x160 and x260 are listed different as a 300w brushless vs 700w brushless. Is that not the case?

[@tintin6291]

they are differnt but both can hadle up to 15kws without damage to the motor

[@isbigboi8624]

Unfortunately in Australia they cost the same so I’m most likely just going to by an x

[@ykcil]

Are the motors of the x160 and x260/sur ron x the same?

[@zachd3146]

I'm considering one of this for riding around with my 7 year old on the quads. I'm about 250. Will I break the thing? I know I won't be able to resist upgrading and jumping the thing.

[@furniksadventures9660]

why not get a dirt bike?

[@zachd3146]

@@furniksadventures9660 lack of space, until I buy a motorhome. I can put this in the kitchen of my trailer pretty easy without drilling holes for tie down points.

[@furniksadventures9660]

@@zachd3146 fair enough. you'll probably want to upgrade to the 72v battery and bac4000 controller

[@tintin6291]

i would buy a new rear shock for that weight

[@catfat375]

Hey I have a x160 I put rst Front forks on it but I am having a lot of play on the front forks

[@THETERPZ]

What’s that rubbing sound?

[@1one3_Racing]

I'd be up for an e-bike give away! As long as it's open to international which most comps aren't.

[@triplethiccneck4264]

Do you get more mileage with the different battery?

[@Danielxperez14]

so in reality all i need is the new battery and its way faster? no controller needed? then obviously forks and tires

[@tiimsdaman]

Why did you say you don't need to change the controller? Is it possible to get same power on the x160 controller?

[@GrindHardShorts]

Yes it is it’s crazy

[@tiimsdaman]

@@GrindHardShorts how?

[@tintin6291]

you dont need to change the controller BUT the controller will not preform the same as the X

[@hiradmobayyen9309]

so you can put a surron battery in a x160 without the controller and you would get the same speed and range?

[@kendrickmelendez8185]

Well, you'll get to reach the 36mph mark for a lot longer

[@donovannieves3376]

No, just a faster bike.

[@ebRyder]

Isn't the frame a little smaller?

[@Romine186]

Where can I buy parts for my x160???? I need a throttle

[@homelander-enjoyer]

I love this idea - however, the segway bike seems to make alot of rattles and clicks and clacks that the surron x doens't - do i have that wrong ? or was something just loose ? can you give some insight into this ? great video, instant subscriber!!

[@tintin6291]

your chain is loose

[@testtor2714]

I wanna live in a shed in the woods too

[@rydizzile5228]

can you race the sur ron X and x160

[@mrhqyangtechnic_q_emx8180]

End up with RST??

[@AM-is6gz]

dope video

[@EdwinOlding]

Thanks!

[@Randomperson0467]

Yes you should

[@fusance4171]

What’s the top speed?

[@truettsmith7034]

I was thinking of doing this but I can remember reading its a different motor so probably fine for 5-6kw but not fully modified with 72v, bac 4000 15kw

[@anikan369]

That was my question. So the motor is not capable of being modified to the 72v battery? That would be my goal with purchasing the x160.

[@momondora1199]

Killah is easy to broken for damper or seal..fox double crown is good…or maybe rockshox doublecrown…but the stancion maybe to small…fox is 40…rockshox is 38

[@slugzgaming5150]

Was this a 2022 segway

[@jasonstewart3748]

Gas is expensive i have 3000 miles on mine (starting mid July last year) basically commuting. 20 miles per gallon ( Ford ranger) =150 gallons. 5$ per =$750 per year I didn't spend on fuel. I floor it to and from work 45mph for 11.5 miles and still have 55% battery left. Id be losing money and having less fun if i didnt get one last year.

[@bryantirwin6271]

nice shirt 🙂

[@LarryRichelli]

The motor is definitely different.