How THE BEST Gran Turismo Drivers Brake SO LATE

[@BTrain-is8ch]

The apex is not a reference point for when your braking is complete. You brake until you're happy with your speed *and direction*. When, and only when, you have direction you can go back to the throttle. The point of getting direction can be before or after the apex depending on the turn.

[@cjj2624]

Much better way of explaining it

[@edwinlomonacofoolsend]

This is way harder than explained. Trail braking changes according to which car you're driving. A Porsche comes to mind. As you trail brake the car starts to over steer. And thus this becomes a difficult dance between keeping the rear of the car from sending you into a wall and slowing the car down. Some cars are better balanced. And thus make trail braking very predictable. All this is also affected by downshifting. Not to say this video isn't valid. And like he mentions the corner, the tire, the car. Etc etc. All affect trail braking. Some cars you literally can't trail brake because the rear becomes so unstable.

[@fowrunnah]

No perfect world dude. Keep at it and dont' stop having fun!😊

[@gullylifestyle99]

Uh the gt3 rs is a fucking beast breaking hard and turning without crashing

[@ark14700]

How do you deal with that? Some road sports cars spin violently as soon as you ease off the brakes. Do you do all your braking in a straight line or put all the brakes bias to the front?

[@PodiumTuningRacing]

Increase braking LSD, Lower front and rear aero, also set brake bias to -1. Let me know how that goes, if you send me your tune via imgr I can help out

[@philcrawford325]

@edwinlomonacofoolsend ~ It's a good video for explaining what trail braking is and the fundamentals of how to manage it. Those fundamentals will vary in degree from car to car, which is the point you seem to be making, but that doesn't mean "this video isn't valid".

[@johntisbury]

Great explanation and examples Rory. This has come at the perfect time for me as I'm working on my trial braking ATM. Using Coach Dave Delta to view my brake curves they are on / off basically. No slow measured release! Been working on this for a couple of sessions now - these track guide corners are a brilliant way to hone the skills and muscle memory.

[@EERIEISSSS]

Perfect, I hope this helps and you get it nailed!

[@wharris123184]

4:08 perfect definition and explanation!

[@RadionUK]

Brilliant video Rory! As many have said, way easier said than done but it's crucial to remember. I might add one thing, I'd say optimal trail braking is definitely harder when using a controller. Using one finger is harder than using a whole foot -never give up everyone!

[@NJHENDO]

So thankful that this came across my feed because I spent close to an hour last night, AT turn one in Interlagos, trying to shave 10ths of a second each time….fired up to give this a go. Awesome content, thank you!

[@a8f235]

The biggest benefit of trailbraking is it gives more room to choose your line into and thus through and out of the corner. It's even more important with motorcycles because motorcycles slow down a lot worse per kg than a car given smaller and less contact patches.

[@justamanchimp]

It's important to remember what is quickest in GT7 isn't really possible irl. So you might actually be doing everything perfect but still won't beat the top players. Also, players can race in chase or bumper cam, which means they have significant vision advantage over irl or games like iRacing. The very fastest players in this game effectively exploit the nuances of the game. Not saying they don't have skill, obvs they do, but say you are fast irl and you're like 2 seconds off in the game, it's probably because you don't know the nuances of the physics and tyre models, unique GT7 specific lines, etc. All these things take such relentless practice to work out and perfect.

[@sealdan88]

Makes Fraga who's a pro at GT7 *and* real-life motorsport seem all the more impressive.

[@Jasserv]

Awesome and great visual aid to showing trail braking man! One of the best vids I've watched not only explaining it but also showing ! thanks

[@xShinobiXx]

Interestingly i was always attempting to do that by feel just i didnt think it had a name to it. When you get it right it sort of feels like you spring or bounce forward out of the turn. Like you get a jolt of speed and sling shot out of the turn

[@MooseRiot]

Great video Rory! Very helpful thank you

[@stecrumpton69]

Thanks bro. . excellent explanation.. Oh and well done for your last 200 lap event.. can't believe it come down too the last lap.. proper nail biting stuff.. thank fuk for that time penalty he got.. But tbf you did have a pitstop fueling issue lol.. And a few minute essential daddy time hug pit stop..

[@viperhd70]

The example at 2:00 is pretty useless. The time and speed diferences are simply because of completely or partly missing the Apex. Of course you will be slower then, and probable even have a slower exit meaning you also lose time on the straight after the corner. That has nothing to do with Trail braking as you can also perfectly hit an apex by not doing trail braking.

[@mcharles5]

Thank you for explaining this technique clearly and concisely. I look forward to putting it into action.

[@ZeroUH]

2 days playing GT7, I just watched your video and I'm gonna practice already. Take my sub and my like. Also, thank you for the lesson! Merry Christmas

[@user-hr6bn1vv2j]

Thanx Rory. Helps loads. Merry xmas thanx for all your vids. Slipstream VR.

[@PETROL_Ted78]

Great video / tutorial Rory👌🏻, A very good explanation for drivers who struggle with this technic or want to improve it👌🏻

[@BUMMDUDE]

Great vid man! I struggle a lot with my trail braking. Been at it for 2 years now and still struggling. But...getting faster.

[@yourtubisfilled7164]

String theory isn't dead afterall. Nice one Rory.

[@TheLoganr80]

Great video as always however I often use a clutch and H shifter which makes me a right foot braker as the left foot is on the clutch pedal. I have developed a technique of releasing the brake gradually with the right foot but there is a small amount of time where I'm not actually on the brake or throttle as my foot moves back to the throttle pedal.

[@ukaszsmolinski7861]

every time when I see you squinting your eyes I am screaming out loud "THROUGH GOES RORY!" just due to your one video

[@mathieumonthioux8941]

In French it’s called freinage dégressif. It’s like a second steering wheel cause the mass of the car is on the front so the rear is lighter and so you can turn more efficiently.

[@michaellavery4899]

Wind turbines. The universally recognised representation of time.

[@M.P.L.Gaming]

Hi Rory , have a great Christmas and keep up te stream. You are great to watch and looking forward to whats to come in 2025. All the best to you !!!

[@ilyas6933]

Спасибо ребят! Приятно было послушать. Понял что готов обсуждение на любую тему от этих двоих)

[@gregnicholls1450]

Thanks Rory, I finally got the guts to turn off TCS and no surprise you were right, a bit of practice and now notably faster

[@Storm_CW]

Not sure about your first example. Slower car did come off the brakes early, but the 2nd stab ends up having some understeer. That's more down to the weight transfer from the initial braking and rotation being disrupted. If left alone through the apex, it'd be interesting to see how the rotation would have been. Also doesn't help he hadn't committed to turning towards that inside wall enough. Needed the on-board as well to see steering angles tbh mate. As for the side by side by side... #1 guy is way faster on entry, so you being faster on entry isn't the problem... also, #1 guy is also maximising engine braking, and commits to steering as close to the wall as possible. #1 guy's mid-speed is faster, and modulates the throttle slightly better on exit. None of that has anything to do with #1 guy trail braking better. Trail braking is generally about maintaining that longitudinal load transfer and deceleration through the cornering phase to shorten the braking and acceleration phase, whilst not affecting cornering ability.

[@PikaPeteKR]

wow, I'm famous! (I'm the slow driver)

[@EERIEISSSS]

Thank you for taking the time to share that Peter! Much appreciated and I think it really helps to make it easier for everyone else.

[@ZachNovak]

watch the video and shoot rory footage of you beating his sector times 💪

[@danfratzke5394]

Well done Rory. Great video. Through goes Rory!!😂

[@furyofbongos]

Best tutorial on this I've seen, thanks!

[@trevorcrowe7571]

I was trail braking in real life with my Porsche 944 on a track day, and the ass end kept lifting and sliding out on me, until another driver told me to brake THEN turn. I was fine after that.

[@mbautodetail3370]

Thank I’ve been searching for a video to simplify this for me, now to put in some practice time

What's funny is, in F1, if you apply this, you'll be slower. As Norris and Hamilton pointed out, you should never have the brake pedal pressed even 1% when accelerating..... you need to be hard on the brake then back on throttle. I think that's why some people in Sim racing, struggle with the differing methods for driving fast. You throw rally in too the mix, and there's a lot too remember, but once you do, it's so rewarding. I just personally think GT is a dangerous game for people wanting too start Sim racing, because it teaches you BAD HABITS. If you watch the replays of the fastest lap times set in GT, you'll see drivers cutting grass at over a ton, power sliding at over a ton.... and it's just not realistic, because if your introduction too Sim racing is GT, and you learn those bad traits, if you make the jump to ACC or iRacing, and try to drift, power slide round corners or cut grass at over a ton.... only 1 of 2 things will happen.... Poor lap time Or Backwards in too a wall. GT is fun, but it isnt a Sim.

[@lammyjammer6670]

That ultimately depends on the car. You typically don't need to trail brake on an F1 car because they have more grip than most of the other cars you'll be driving in GT7. This is true in GT7 as well. The technique doesn't make sense for all types of vehicles in the game and I think that has to be noted. I personally like GT7 for that very reason though. You're forced to learn the vehicles limits quickly because there's such a variety of handling differences between cars. Moving to a different sim then becomes a matter of learning that game's physics since you leave this game with a better understanding of how to gauge your vehicle's limits.

[@patrick247two]

I'm working to improve my trail braking with every corner I take. I turned off all assists. How can I learn a technique like trail braking through the fog of assists? I run automatic gears. The changes are consistent and by tuning the ratios to the track is reasonably efficient. Also, I don't own a clutch pedal or gear shifter, and flappy paddles piss me off. I have dedicated my left foot to braking. Muscle memory is strong with this one. I run the brake pressure low at 60%. Give me more range in pedal movement and much less prone to locking up. I use a Moza R5 Bundle. A magnificent upgrade from a G25. I'm actively tuning the force feedback settings to improve response. I'm getting better at applying the trail braking technique, and so I should be after 30 years of sim racing. Once learnt, trail braking becomes automatic. Start today. Good work, Rory.

[@VonT68]

This is the video I've been waiting on..thank you 👍

[@EERIEISSSS]

Hope it helps my friend

[@natureaction6759]

fantastic. Subscribed here from JCCR adventures. Love your Channel. Apex tips.

[@ericsternberger2768]

way easier said than done! this works different for every car - and every corner. when I watch the worlds best drivers it is so perfect, I sometimes think they are cheating

[@LifeAfter40withCam]

What adjustments do you make if you're driving FWD car? I find braking so challenging with these cars where the car snaps into the turn uncontrollably.

[@youssefsabeh1980]

Thanks for the explanation and advice,I will try it tomorrow hopefully I'll be faster 😂

[@fowrunnah]

You have become a real PRO Rory😊

[@gavinspeers4187]

Great video, very useful will def help me that’s for sure 👌

[@Zacks1123]

That was very helpfull, thank you Rory❤

[@gonzalez239]

He said "I promise" so I subbed.

[@MetalJaska]

I never had it explained this precise. I just got the Info years ago, that full braking is not the fastest. I tried and expermimented and became much faster, and i noticed that i can save the car after braking with less braking to turn the car, what is impossible with full braking. Lessons learned over the years. An now i have a name für it :)

[@kriztoppa]

Using other cars 🚗 as breaks is faster😂

[@invertwiley1689]

I appreciate this video, i've known about it and the fundamentals of how to do it but putting knowledge into action is sometimes a difficult translation. I did manage to take the super sharp left with the Red Bull Junior car better than the lowest top 100 ghost available thanks to a perfect trail brake. Was so excited as i passed the ghost i almost messed up the following sweeping right (current time trial, i'm probably wrong, but Cataluna?)

[@johngouldgaming]

thank you for this video also merry christmas i hope you and your family have a great christmas

[@Elazar007ZA]

Thanks for this video mate👍

[@lizardmanSTL]

Electric vehicles are hard to slow down the trail breaking I think the AFEELA is great car to drive

[@DMCRacing82]

This video is perfect I understand trail braking was more now.

[@Piecenotwar]

Trail braking with a controller is very difficult because there’s no real feedback, it takes repeated attempts at the same corner to get the judgment somewhere near. Also with a wheel do you get more steering angle? I have watched some replays and they somehow seem to get more steering lock on tighter slower corners

[@h3llr4iser1]

You get zero feedback about braking with a wheel and pedals as well, unless you have one of the hyper-expensive FFB brake pedals. Actually you get a little more feedback in the controller, 'cause the left trigger sorta pulsates like the pedal in a real car when the ABS is engaged. That said, the movements required on the controller are so minute that proper regulation is very difficult - I'd say it's the same with the steering inputs.

[@Piecenotwar]

@ I actually did some tests today with trail braking on the controller, it is incredibly difficult and the pressure applied visually is not linear like the controller, 80-90% on the controller is about 60-70% on the display and 30-50% pressure applied does virtually nothing. I would guess with pedals there’s a longer range of movement making modulation a bit easier🤷🏻‍♂️. I’d love to have a go with a proper sim setup to try it.

[@racingdreamz8021]

I literally drift through every tight turn, That’s what happens when you go from FH5 to GT7

[@wolverinebear5357]

Sometimes ill brake with keeping accelerator at 50-75%, helps keep grip with a bomb lol

[@VeritasSimRacing]

Im still very rough at it, but my god, the improvement is huge already

[@EERIEISSSS]

Glad to hear improvement is happening, keep at it!

[@PurXion_legendary_777]

0:23 please tell me that's the caterham sp/300r

[@maitunglong1358]

Thanks for your clearly explaination

[@razjackson5825]

Yo, I didn't even know about braking the other way (the not trail braking way). I wonder if the other thing that I naturally do is like the uncommon but faster way of doing something (not gonna share my secrets hehehe)

[@alekjwrgnwekfgn]

Christmas socks would be a nice touch.

[@GameOver556]

What is the recommendations to a new sim racer? Learn as many tracks a possible or just focus on some tracks and master those?

[@Fernandes_gamer]

Sim , bem explicando só que as vezes não sai sempre bem, mas no final de contas a logica é essa, só que agora o meu problema é conseguir configurar os meus TLCM nos quilos certos e no ponto certo da travagem , desde que comprei agora a mola 3DRAP eu estou muito mal e gostaria que aqui a malta me ajuda se em algo:

[@George-b4q]

Great video but my problem is different ...when i push the brake pedal (loadcel) the bar does not go until the end of it and if i out brf lower so the brake bar can finish wheels on the car blocking very easy..what i miss???

[@Potts2700]

Trail breaking is like having extra wing. Aka downforce

[@dominiquelavergne5233]

Well, good explanations, but, is it possible to trail brake with the pad (I only play with the pad)...I'm gonna try and see if I can gradualy release pressure on the left trigger of the pad.

[@oGxSmokezZ]

Funny how I was asking my self last night “how tf are they so fast what am I doing wrong” and you released this vid

[@bramvanderheijden4576]

Daytona was a quite difficult time trail using a controller. But i managed to pull it off💪🏻

[@FeX1411]

Does trail braking even work with GT game physics?

[@edwintresco]

Instead of saying "String Theory." Maybe use "The String Method " because I was confused with the thumb nail. String Theory has to do with science.

[@jeremiahbachmann3901]

Where do I put the string. I use the Dual Sense.

[@jonw8uk1]

I’m trying to nail trail breaking on controller. It’s pretty tough to get it consistent. For now I’ve turned off the trigger feedback, as that seems to make it worse for engaging low level braking. Anyone else struggling with this?? 😅

[@nrtvegas4515]

181k wow well done rory

[@shivamsanas8863]

Hey guys I am new to GT7, I wanted to ask you guys which is the best VGT car and the best rally car. Also I am stuck on the prototype series so please do recommend which car would be best for it.

[@markharris2557]

Great vid Rory - one day I will be able to trail brake….

[@chrisdunbar9831]

How to people find trail braking using controller? Just started trying this but can't help but feel I'd do it alot better on pedels

[@wolverinebear5357]

No tire squeal grip grip grip is name of game fine dance brakes an acceleration

[@alekjwrgnwekfgn]

I didn't even know to use your second foot for the brake. Does anyone do this in everyday life?

[@speedtracker9556]

If I get a lower lap time, does that mean I'm driving slower or faster?

[@M4theusIcaro]

The answer is quite simple: "The physics in this game is VERY forgiving"

[@pujategarsakti]

Where I can watch the full video?

[@Sharkxsaze]

Hey Rory, quick question. Is it doable to do trail braking on controllers?

[@ijeamakaomayeka7533]

Best explanation 😊

[@Rozie369]

At this point i don’t even trust gt7 physics anymore I was doing a time trial at red bull ring not long ago… a track where trail breaking is needed very minimally And I tried different break bias, techniques, everything I could… And somehow the global leaders were able to brake abt 20ft later than me… which is quite ridiculous Especially in turn 1, we would be approaching at the same speed, have the same entry, and brake at the same moment, and I wouldn’t even stay on the track…. These claims can also be backed by the fact record times are on average 3 second faster than irl times, and if you watch the way ppl brake they very much exaggerate racing lines in this games and the abuse of the car + tire physics I just don’t understand the hype surrounding the way this game works competitively It’s a great game, but everyone things this is some pro sim and it’s eating the base of its community

[@solunasunrise]

yada yada yada ... essentially it means slowly turn already while you are still releasing the breaks .... you gotta listen to the car how it behaves then though otherwise you spin ... its on the edge of stability, the rear gets very loose in these maneuvers ! used to make this intuitivley .... now i find out it has a name and stuff , thats funny hehe

[@ninjaarcades7356]

Very similar to motorcycle Good video

[@mercuriallimit]

is there a way to know I'm going into a corner "too" slow, is there some pointers I can pick up on?

[@electricnaz]

Do you know what. I get trail braking, so I'm a pad user 95% of the time, but I'm slower when I do use the wheel and want to get quicker before I use that in races. I'm sort of okay trail braking using a pad. I never even consider just going into circuit experience and practising tricky sectors on the wheel 😂😂 even that is good advice. Cheers Rory!

[@jordyvelthuizen5766]

Trail braking on controller is harder because you cant feel the brake pressure

[@marcelkuhnel803]

Its easy 😅 i do this in every race game, its simple physics. Its also the only way do get easier Gold in licences but to Master it with different Cars is the real hard part.

[@Phil_Guy]

Rory. How do you set you TCS? Great videos by the way. Love your channel. Can this be done on a controller rather than a set up like yours?

[@tkahres]

Not every car has TCS, but if you flip through your lower right screen options with the control pad left or right tabs, (map, best lap time, etc.) you'll see TCS, and then you can raise or lower it with the control pad as well (ie: not the left stick).

[@MA-xz4ki]

Great video Rory! Quick question, which abs setting helps most with trailbreaking?

[@EERIEISSSS]

I use weak, which is the default

[@qu3592]

Great video. This is harder on controller.

[@NWTMasterWolf]

On a motorcycle "trail braking" is when you use the rear brake more than the front to brake in turns and other conditions to utilize the back wheel to direct and or control the motorcycles balance and path. I use my Ebrake in GT7 in the same way sometimes.

[@JaniToivokoski]

Please try this with a hand controller, too.

[@SebastianRegent]

Thank you, good video. Wich applications do you use?

[@EERIEISSSS]

Applications?

[@SebastianRegent]

Yes, which?

[@BenJeenes]

If you check the description everything he uses is all there 👍🏻

[@Capitan_Chaos]

It depends what track tbh.

[@richiep1888]

this can only be done with a wheel/pedal set-up? As a controller user the brakes are either on or off, in my minimal experience

[@glenwaldrop8166]

Be smoother with the inputs. We've had analog controllers for 25 years now.

[@richiep1888]

@@glenwaldrop8166 I'm more of a carpenter's mallet than a surgeon's scalpel!! 🤣

[@147rambo]

Has anyone done this while using a clutch and right foot braking?

[@Dickbrotschneider]

They are several vids about this technic. Right Feet is for throttling AND braking, left Feet is for clutching AND braking.

[@leittofox11]

Excellent video! I try to trailbrake the best I can but I find ir very difficult to be consistent. I do it perfectly for 2,3 corners and then the next 2 or 3 I fail. By the way, I play with joystick, I don´t have a wheel and pedals, do you think I need em to improve?

[@lammyjammer6670]

It's probably even easier on the pad because you're getting physical feedback in the form of vibration from the brakes on the trigger. The trick is to let go of the trigger enough to feel the vibration slow down. When ABS is engaged the trigger vibrates more frequently. You can't start turning while this is happening. Let go of the braking trigger enough for the vibration to slow down considerably, and only then will your front tires fully respond to your turning inputs. Gradually let go of the brake as you enter but keep some amount of brake applied until you reach the apex and then go full throttle on your exit as quickly as possible.

[@nott404]

Can you do this with a controller??!!

[@juanpablo9808]

Wait you use abs ??

[@VyeSpree]

I've been learning trail braking and I'm still slow 😂

[@BrickScene]

Good video - how would you apply this in wet conditions?

[@2iii7]

Gently