eevBLAB 91 - Why Are Fluke Meters So EXPENSIVE?

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@EEVblog
@EEVblog 3 жыл бұрын
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@cheekybow
@cheekybow 3 жыл бұрын
i just bought your BM786 last week....
@vinitsingh8962
@vinitsingh8962 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave, one day when I will make 9000 Indian rupees , I will buy your meter instead of fluke. I like this meter, now this meter is in my wish list. Will buy the day when I get the money, probably within 2 to 3 years.
@k33per03
@k33per03 3 жыл бұрын
No... 121GW or bust.
@athims
@athims 3 жыл бұрын
Since you don't ship to Russia for some reason but the Amazon does, is there any way to apply this coupon on Amazon? Or get the discount some other way? I'd like to buy but you just don't ship to Russia.
@Daveyk021
@Daveyk021 3 жыл бұрын
I only trust Tektronix TDS3000 scopes and compare Siglent to them to make sure the Siglent it good. Siglent will never gain the internal software confidence that Tek has, even if the Siglent can be so much "cooler" and have a better screen.
@bf3and4highlights83
@bf3and4highlights83 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad ran a small avionics repair shop for decades. His Fluke died after decades of use. He dug out the warranty card and sent in the whole unit to Fluke with a letter stating what he did and that he was extremely happy with the device and was hoping they could fix it. There was no reply (this was back when people wrote physical letters) for some time. When the box arrived, Fluke had kept his old device for analysis and sent him a brand new near top of the line replacement costing a couple thousand more than the one he sent in with a thank you note for using Fluke equipment. That kind of service helps make you number one as well.
@DiaconescuAlexandru2024
@DiaconescuAlexandru2024 3 жыл бұрын
That's how you get a lifetime customer !
@zachreyhelmberger894
@zachreyhelmberger894 3 жыл бұрын
Dang!!
@f.d.6667
@f.d.6667 3 жыл бұрын
Had a similar experience with a LEICA slide projector (!) when I was in art school: bought the cheapest model and when it had issues, they replaced it with a better model free of charge, apologizing for the poor performance of the entry-level model... needless to say that I am a fan of their brand ever since.
@therealb888
@therealb888 3 жыл бұрын
Wait, you're telling me fluke gave him a top of the line model in return? So I buy a fluke 102 & it when it goes bad on me, I get a fluke 289 replacement? Seriously?!
@rockymarciano6750
@rockymarciano6750 3 жыл бұрын
Fluke meters as shown don’t cost 1000s so one costing 1000s more is not possible.
@tonybp
@tonybp Жыл бұрын
When I was studying electronics, my dad bought me a Fluke 83. It was the low end model with no RMS feature. But even though it was the low end model it was still expensive. He bought it with some of his savings, he made his homework when it came to the best brand. "It's not top of the line, but it should do, right?" .. . "Absolutely, dad!.. this is awesome!" I said. That was almost 30 years ago and I still have it and I still use it. I blew the fuses a few times but it still works great. Thank you dad, I miss you so much.
@curtwuollet2912
@curtwuollet2912 Жыл бұрын
I've selected Fluke because I can believe what it tells me.
@polloman15
@polloman15 Жыл бұрын
My dad also has had an 83 in his tool box for more than 20 years, I used it for high school and college. After I married, he gifted me a 77, I use it for pretty much everything, last week it helped me refurbish my wife’s prius hybrid battery.
@piercewentworth8043
@piercewentworth8043 Жыл бұрын
:’) rip ole’ pop. Sounds like a good man
@hitechfl
@hitechfl Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. My dad wasn't like that unfortunately. I always tried to imagine how it must be to have a parent that was supportive. I love hearing stories like this.
@Sarah_Swede
@Sarah_Swede Жыл бұрын
I have a 34 year old Fluke 73. Has been sent back to J Fluke at least 5 times for various reasons. Dropped off of wings, banged around, thrown into my tool bag thousands of times. The case looks horrid, and the guts may not be original, but it still works and it is still dead on accurate . Have no idea how many sets of leads have been bought for it. Compared to the money that meter has made for me, Fluke gave it to me. Fluke says Lifetime, they mean it. Nothing else compares.
@RobCCTV
@RobCCTV 3 жыл бұрын
In 1987, in Moscow I made a Russian engineer cry with joy when I gave him my Fluke 77. He had been very kind to me regarding setting up for an exhibition there, and I had given him it as a gift in thanks; something that was simply unafordable and actually unobtainable for engineers then. Russian engineers knew the quality and reliability of Fluke even then, and so he was mega-grateful for my gift. For all I know, he may still be using it now.
@oldestgamer
@oldestgamer 3 жыл бұрын
My 73 is over 40 years old and has been connected up wrong more times than I can remember, and it has NEVER failed me. That makes me a Fluke customer for life, except the meter will outlive me!
@chadx8269
@chadx8269 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad gave me a fluke 77 in EE School. I use it in Retirement, but need new leads.
@greywolf271
@greywolf271 3 жыл бұрын
Sure ! Fluke was in use in Firefox ! Even cold war soviets know the value of good ole Yankee stuff.
@pascalcoole2725
@pascalcoole2725 3 жыл бұрын
It really was bright thinking of you back than to understand how you could thank the guy. I got my 27 for a fraction of the price brand new from old militairy stock. Also got a scope (which is basicly a Phillips) I was verry used to 77's at my work in aviation and indeed never thought much about it. more like "It's a good meter you can rely on", thanks Dave for this unknow side story.
@chesshooligan1282
@chesshooligan1282 3 жыл бұрын
@@greywolf271 Cold war Soviets knew the value of anything made outside the Soviet Union. The problem is they couldn't afford any of it.
@kiowastew
@kiowastew 2 жыл бұрын
I worked for a state government run power utility company as a substation operations maintenance technician and Fluke was the only brand that we used for all of the mentioned reasons in this video. 100% correct. I now teach at a state technical college and use a Fluke 115 with my students in the labs. Most opt for cheaper brands, but I use the Fluke (or Amprobe) as an example of what they'll see on the job out in the field. The cycle of Fluke continues.
@ReptilianXHologram
@ReptilianXHologram 6 ай бұрын
Which fluke is best for electronics and which one is best for someone wanting to go into the HVAC field?
@Jedi2155
@Jedi2155 3 күн бұрын
They are the Apple brand of the electronics world. Cheaper alternatives but you really do pay for what you get.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
I regard Fluke as the Snap-On of the electrical industry. A status brand. I deliberately choose Fluke for specific safety critical pieces of test equipment at work, purely because it ticks the health and safety box. I'm not keen on how their marketing seems to be adding useless gimmicks to upsell basic tools like test lamps though.
@TheRedneckAtheist
@TheRedneckAtheist 3 жыл бұрын
And I'm the kind of guy that will buy a generic wh5000a DMM because I have no worries about tossing that thing in my glove compartment or trunk(boot for non-'muricans)
@Rx7man
@Rx7man 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, if you show up for a job interview with a Fluke and Snap on tools, it's conveying an image about yourself. I also know people who do fantastic work with pretty cheap tools.. perhaps not the bottom of barrel Harbor freight, but something like Craftsman (before they started making total shit)
@bobbykozak6032
@bobbykozak6032 3 жыл бұрын
@@zakofrx Not to sure about the older ones, but Snap-On/Bluepoint sold ones that very much looked like Fluke but the calibration guys said they were different. The leads are very different, felt cheap to the touch. Replaced those as soon as we could justify them to supply.
@PhilipBallGarry
@PhilipBallGarry 3 жыл бұрын
Also, the Tilley hat 👍
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 3 жыл бұрын
Same for me. When I'm working on mains, I'm using my fluke multi. I used other vendors for other measurement devices.
@tweak447
@tweak447 2 жыл бұрын
Senior Advanced Microwave Metrologist tech here. Years ago, the USN quit recalling Fluke meters for periodic calibration and replaced the stickers with "cal if suspect" stickers. We tracked every single piece of GPETE/TAMS by model/serial for the lifetime of the unit. In doing so, we found that Fluke's handheld DMM's NEVER went out of calibration. They would only fail to operate outright due to abuse/accidents. We had a saying - Heaven is where the meters are Fluke, the scopes are Tektronix and the spectrum analyzers are HP. Hell is where the meters are HP, the Spectrum analyzers are Tektronix and anything is Giga-tronics.
@PowerandControlUFU
@PowerandControlUFU 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@DreStyle
@DreStyle Жыл бұрын
attention here
@Surannhealz
@Surannhealz Жыл бұрын
If they are HP….I mean Agilent…I mean Keysight 😂😂😂
@VishalDudhani
@VishalDudhani 2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 made my day 😂😂😂😂
@PrinceAlberts
@PrinceAlberts 3 жыл бұрын
I was in the military for over 20 years and I’ve been given various reasons when I asked why we always buy Fluke. “Made in the USA” and “Better Input Noise Filtering” were the two most common reasons I was given. We didn’t have any specific test procedures that required a Fluke, most just said “using a multimeter” or “Using a Fluke 77AN or equivalent” perform such and such. Measurement confidence, however, was a very real thing. We don’t even calibrate Fluke multimeters used for non-critical measurements anymore. When a Fluke fails, it doesn’t go out of calibration, it dies. If it turns on, it’s good. That’s a huge deal in the field.
@aicisha
@aicisha 3 жыл бұрын
Does the US military have now Flukes 77 IV?
@jerrydemas2020
@jerrydemas2020 3 жыл бұрын
I too was in the air force 20+ years. I learned that my 77/AN was a "XB3" item. That meant it was a throw-away.
@PrinceAlberts
@PrinceAlberts 3 жыл бұрын
@@aicisha I don’t remember off the top of my head. I know for sure we had 77 II and III meters in some places.
@Lawrence330
@Lawrence330 3 жыл бұрын
@@aicisha They sure do. Oddly, the 87 needs to go to calibration and counts against the ship's calibration budget. We had dozens of 77s, but only 1 or 2 of the 87s "officially."
@uzlonewolf
@uzlonewolf 3 жыл бұрын
Psst, on those meters which died, have you tried changing the battery? :-P
@Ryarios
@Ryarios 2 жыл бұрын
All the Fluke meters I’ve used where we had to have a traceable calibration certificate, were calibrated using a Fluke computerized calibration device. It made the calibration affordable. To calibrate other brands the tech had to test every single function and range manually and the costs for recertification were often as much or more than the cost of a new meter with certs.
@stevefriedl3983
@stevefriedl3983 3 жыл бұрын
This was absolutely fantastic content - it's not "This is the multimeter you should get", but "these are factors to weigh when shopping for a multimeter". Finding out that most of the reasons for Fluke's superior price actually don't matter to *me*, so I can make my alternate purchase with confidence rather than wonder if I'm missing out on something or cheaping out. We need more of this kind of wisdom.
@remogaggi82
@remogaggi82 3 жыл бұрын
Buy once cry once
@stephenholland6328
@stephenholland6328 3 жыл бұрын
This is Steve “so you want to be a consultant” Friedl? I recognized the name and logo. I sent my children that essay. It is such a great guide to success in business and life. Thanks for keeping that online!
@hoodiedude4204
@hoodiedude4204 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Fluke are the Zippos in the multimeter world
@truthsRsung
@truthsRsung 3 жыл бұрын
@@remogaggi82 ....You must have real world experience to be able to make such a complicated topic SOOOOOOO Simple. Thank you. I wish the readers of your comment understood what that means. Do you have a "I bought the wrong tool," story to share with the truth seekers?
@remogaggi82
@remogaggi82 3 жыл бұрын
@@truthsRsung what's complicated?
@MikelNaUsaCom
@MikelNaUsaCom 3 жыл бұрын
in the 2000's microsoft was having trouble selling SQL server, they actually upped the price to match oracle... and boom their sales went up... instead of down... because of the impression that a higher cost translated to a higher quality product, even though no changes were made to the product except for increasing the cost. =D
@rafalwlo
@rafalwlo 3 жыл бұрын
well, Apple's still doing exactly the same thing...
@christopheroliver148
@christopheroliver148 3 жыл бұрын
Evidently database engines are a Veblen good. As an open source (and very cheap) guy I find this amusing and curious.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 3 жыл бұрын
@@rafalwlo Nope. Apple gives you a shitload of value for the price. You simply can beat their quality: fit and finish, ease of use, security and outstanding customer support. Their products will get you laid just like a Ferrari will.
@EddSjo
@EddSjo 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobweiram6321 I mean, if a woman bases how she picks her partner based on what phone the use, they're not much to have from the beginning.
@bsvenss2
@bsvenss2 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobweiram6321 Totally agree.
@NJT1000
@NJT1000 3 жыл бұрын
Fluke and Avo were the weapons of choice when I used to work for the UK Ministry of Defence in the Naval Supply ships. In the early days we used to be provided with the enormous and heavy analogue Avo 8 meter. This bulky beast had a certain advantage made use of by a Senior Electrical Officer of my acquaintance who was a great advocate of 24 hour drinking. When the behemoth was removed from its beautifully made leather case, it left the exact amount of room to stow a six pack of stubbies so he had enough McEwans Export to keep him going until lunch time. Of course everybody who didn't know just thought he was carrying around one of the main tools of his trade - including the Chief Engineer!
@markrainford1219
@markrainford1219 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to make a comment about the Avo model 8. Can't trump that though.
@PinataOblongata
@PinataOblongata 3 жыл бұрын
How long did his liver last?
@Kreln1221
@Kreln1221 3 жыл бұрын
In the American military..., at least in the early 90's, the choice for, "big ol' analog meter", was the Simpson 260...
@AlanEvans789
@AlanEvans789 3 жыл бұрын
Had that same Avo8 and Fluke thing going when I was in the RAF servicing ground radar systems in the 80's. The stuff I worked on was designed in the early 60's and all of the routine servicing had to be done with an Avo8 since that was what the methods of work were written for. I recall that the systems that came in and replaced them in the early 90's had done away with the Avo8 and just used the Fluke meters.
@ArxosFX
@ArxosFX 3 жыл бұрын
​@@Kreln1221 We still have them! (on submarines at least). Barely ever used, but still there.
@kbjames100
@kbjames100 2 жыл бұрын
I have worked in the Railway Signalling Department for over 40 years. When I started we used Analogue AVO'S, but we're prone to damage. Then British Railway only provided Fluke Meters, they were robust fairly waterproof compared to the AVO's. The Flukes were smaller and easy to use. We got the first ones in the 1980 and only in a military green colour. I love them.
@davidquirk8097
@davidquirk8097 Жыл бұрын
I changed from my military spec AVO 8 (Screened metal wrap around case and increased sensitivity (400 volt scale)) when my work changed to fault finding floodlights. The difference to the job not having to lug the AVO up the ladders made but instead stuffing the fluke in my jacket pocket was immense. The fluke was the only meter on the market at the time that had nearly the same accuracy specification as the Avo.
@johnalexander2349
@johnalexander2349 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a property developer that uses Fluke, and I can confirm AvE's observation: "Sometimes you've just got to whip out a 12 inch Fluke, to get the sparkies to take you seriously."
@martinkuliza
@martinkuliza 3 жыл бұрын
Fuckin Oath LOL
@pamdemonia
@pamdemonia 3 жыл бұрын
As one of those sparkies, I can confirm.
@RabidBadger_
@RabidBadger_ 3 жыл бұрын
I once had an electrician cite in an email "the tools he saw in my bag" (Fluke 117, Fluke network analyzer) as a reason to take what I was saying seriously.
@garthwood5104
@garthwood5104 3 жыл бұрын
"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine."
@zeruulln
@zeruulln 3 жыл бұрын
If your multimeter is not near black and dirty I won't take you seriously anyway. If it is brand new shiny yellow I assume you are an engineer and there to make my life difficult by breaking shit you shouldn't be playing with.
@amham48
@amham48 3 жыл бұрын
As a professional metrologist working for an international calibration organization for years, I can attest to the quality and repeatability of Fluke meters versus most other brands. After testing/ "calibrating", the overwhelming majority (99+%) pass within spec. In quotes because the calibration is simply testing the meter using a high-end Fluke calibrator to a standard test procedure and requiring no adjustment (if even possible to adjust).
@testchannelplsignore8509
@testchannelplsignore8509 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the 5700, we have like 6 at work lol.
@friedmule5403
@friedmule5403 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't most meters, pass within spec? I have two over 30 yo Tektronix meter that is within spec, I do also own some cheap $5 meters that measures (as wrong) like they did 1st day. Flukes meter is not able to be adjusted, but this is also, as you know, not the important pat, only their drift over time matters. :-)
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 3 жыл бұрын
@@friedmule5403 you'd be surprised how much the cheaper meters drift. The worrying thing is that drift can vary considerably from year to year
@bouipozz
@bouipozz 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaNorton Could you elaborate at all on what you dislike about the scope-meters? I've been considering trading in my 28II for a 99B and then just using a cheaper meter for basic stuff.
@friedmule5403
@friedmule5403 3 жыл бұрын
@@sdgelectronics Thanks a lot for your great reply! I have apparently been lucky with my super cheap meters, they have kept showing the same wrong value in the last 3 years, but okay, I do only use them to detect if the power is on or off in small circuits. :-)
@walibran
@walibran 3 жыл бұрын
I work as a US defense contractor technician and we use fluke meters as our only digital multimeter for the reasons you stated in this video. We also have some old Simpson analog multimeters too. It would take too much money and time to qualify another brand that it renders the old standby as a much more cost efficient way to go. I agree with you 100%. Some of the first fluke digital multimeters i.e: model 77 and before are still in use to this day. My personal meter is a Klein tools MM600 and it has done well by me so far. BTW I am from New Jersey in the USA. Love your videos. Have been watching you for years!
@kjamison5951
@kjamison5951 3 жыл бұрын
Simpson analog multimeters - measuring D’ohms!
@revealingfacts4all
@revealingfacts4all 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, totally agree. 1st hand knowledge of my own backs this up. Plus, because of this, I don't even have to spend one nanosecond of time questioning quality, accuracy, etc... Bryman? Huh? Never heard of it and don't have time to fact check and that time is money for me!
@JH-tc3yu
@JH-tc3yu 3 жыл бұрын
Love my MM600 as well.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 3 жыл бұрын
I regularly use an old Fluke 77 from the 1980's and purchased a new Simpson 260 for those occasions where you really just want to ignore RF and read the DC. The Simpson is also a good reality check for the Fluke or any other DVM. How do you know the DVM is in the ballpark?
@TheDecguy
@TheDecguy 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got my Fluke meter that I use all the time. Now I know some of the reasons why. I also have an “old” Simpson Field Effect meter that I got in govt auction back in 1972.
@Efferheim
@Efferheim 2 жыл бұрын
I went through cheap multimeters at the rate of about one every couple of years. I wanted something that would last, so I finally bought a fluke for 10x the price. So far it has outlasted everything I had purchased before. One benefit I didn’t anticipate is that it was so expensive, I have never lost track of where I put it; so I have never had to go looking for it like I have the others. I always know exactly where it is and where all of the components are. Quite a time saver!
@hwingerrr5680
@hwingerrr5680 2 жыл бұрын
There are all levels of cheap, so were the cheap meters on the level of free meters that were offered by harbor freight in the past, or some in the sub 100 dollar class? I've picked up so many of the HF ones I pretty much have one at arms reach everywhere in the house, and while some go wonky, they served handily for the most part.
@Efferheim
@Efferheim 2 жыл бұрын
@@hwingerrr5680 $20-60 range mostly. A few of the $5 ones, but they barely last beyond the first use.
@manickn6819
@manickn6819 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I had a bad experience with a clamp on from them and refuse to buy their products anymore. While the meter was 10 years old I was barely used and in the original moulded plastic case (so no damage from UV or anything else). The plastic tabs broke and the rotary knob contacts stopped working. I opened it and epoxy those back. The design of them was very poor. No webs. When trying to close back the meter the battery tab screw broke the entire screw pillar off too.
@CristiNeagu
@CristiNeagu Жыл бұрын
We have a saying: I'm too poor to afford cheap stuff.
@mikereisner3335
@mikereisner3335 Жыл бұрын
2 fuses in 25 years is all I have put into my 83 in 25 years. Buy once cry once. If I have a problem with it I am pretty sure Fluke will be there. Will a no name China made company be there?
@mikeastbury8079
@mikeastbury8079 2 жыл бұрын
Been an electrician for the last 35 years. I have tried many different brands of meters. I trust my Fluke meters and I find they level off with the reading faster than others. Super helpful when chasing down a water based fire alarm ground fault. If there is something better, I haven’t found it.
@Choober65
@Choober65 2 жыл бұрын
I will ALWAYS buy Fluke, for the same reasons.
@hwanglee3330
@hwanglee3330 2 жыл бұрын
What about sanwa made in Japan ?
@Fitjaycjr
@Fitjaycjr 2 жыл бұрын
Whats a good fluke meter you’d say?
@stanleywhiteman6450
@stanleywhiteman6450 2 жыл бұрын
My understanding that calibration and accuracy of the meter is very important in this case since 0.4-0.5V error could be important for e.g. for smoke detectors? However i still fail to see how Fluke is better than Hioki or APPA etc as long as the equipment properly calibrated and accurate? Or when your are measuring small volts 0.5 - 1.5 it is important or Ohms? But so does *absolutely* accurately even 1979 Soviet multimeter or APPA iMeter5 etc Fluke sure has its place on planet Earth and this is all..with respect..
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 2 жыл бұрын
Plus dunno why but Fluke seems to never lose calibration.
@TravisTerrell
@TravisTerrell 3 жыл бұрын
Outside of corporate standards, where lots of electricians and such choose and pay for their own tools, an overlooked factor may be simple peer pressure/influence. If everyone you work with has a Fluke, you have to defend yourself every time you pull out a blue or red colored DMM. (Granted, this reason likely frickled-down from the other items you mention.)
@RickB3n
@RickB3n 3 жыл бұрын
The fluke's Ex series Is Red
@djordjeblaga7815
@djordjeblaga7815 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Germany its the never ending fight between Gossen Metrawatt (Black & Green) and Fluke (Yellow). There are other professional Brands like Benning but if you have a different meter than what everybody around you has got you're the weird guy. Also I'll never forget the moment my colleague attemped to measure between 230V phases with a fluke lookalike ("Vici") and the meter literally *exploded* . 1000V Rated my ass.
@Eleftheria_i_thanatos
@Eleftheria_i_thanatos 3 жыл бұрын
It's the same with Snap-on tools.
@DjResR
@DjResR 3 жыл бұрын
Sheep ideology is for people with weak confidence. I whip out my blue HoldPeak and I don't give a flying f what others think._
@iaadsi
@iaadsi 3 жыл бұрын
@@DjResR Same. When I whipped out my Aneng Q10 for the first time, I got some smirks from the lads. They all have Flukes with high stability, precision, repeatability... we don't need any of that for the kinds of HVAC jobs we do. The Aneng has big high contrast numbers, it costs less than a family dinner, it has a torch, and you can crack it open to glue magnets on the back - so you can work on an air handler unit up on a ladder, upside down, and still have both your hands free! All of us carry Q10s/Q1s now :-) save for a few stragglers.
@vincenzodavey6914
@vincenzodavey6914 2 жыл бұрын
I was a licensed electrician in Australia for 17 years and I had a Fluke T5 1000. The T5 is rock solid. I now live in the USA and no longer do full time electrical work, yet the T5 is still part of my kit. Fluke are in my mind the best quality meters on the market. “Good tools aren’t cheap and cheap tools aren’t good”
@blobtv7444
@blobtv7444 2 жыл бұрын
i got a T5-1000 for about 15 years, never had an issue, change batteries and ready to rock, also have a 902 FC...no issues with either.
@BungalowBill58
@BungalowBill58 11 ай бұрын
Being a "Tradie" I would always get the best, now that I am getting close to retirement I toss up on how much to spend on a good tool, not cheap, not expensive mabe in the middle, but as they say " you get what you pay for"
@ibewatchinu
@ibewatchinu 10 ай бұрын
If you buy cheap, you buy twice.
@Number6_
@Number6_ 9 ай бұрын
Having been in the trade. Some bought snap on at 10 times the price of craftsman. They would complain about there 30 grand of snap on tools, while the rest of use were happy with are reasonable priced craftsman. They worried about insurance and lost tools not covered! We didn't..
@Number6_
@Number6_ 9 ай бұрын
​@@ibewatchinuyou buy expensive and lose it you can't afford to buy again! Buy reasonable you can afford to buy 2 ,3 even 4 times. Lose it no prob. Stolen? Don't have to argue over insurance.. broke no biggie! Less stress for the tech and management.
@joeair2030
@joeair2030 2 жыл бұрын
Around 2000 we were preparing to do a sensor check in a refrigerated warehouse where they brought fruit in from Chili. The system recorded the temperatures, and alarmed at a very tight range. Every 5 years we had to meet with their engineer and remove each sensor individually and make sure they were inside calibration specs. Both of us had to witness the measurements and sign off on the official sheets. There were over 200 sensors so this took weeks. There was a list of acceptable meters and my Fluke 87 was of course on that list. Problem was a week before the engineer was to fly in they asked for my calibration info. It was 8 months out which still within the standard year or even two year range, They said they needed 6 months. There was little time to get it in and calibrated, everyone was scrambling I then asked if I purchased a new meter would that satisfy the requirements. They said yes as the meters are calibrated before they left Fluke,s factory. My company was thrilled to buy me another $600 meter, so I wound up with two 87s that I still have even though I retired a few years ago. I also have a 25, 119, 52, and a 17B+. The only time in a 40 year career I ever had to replace a Fluke meter is when I lost one. All techs carry a toolbag meter for the day to day troubleshooting, and I have dropped a few. The better meters only came out when you needed the accuracy The cost of meters is a minor expense compared to downtime. As my portion of the trade moved to DDC every tech carried at least two laptops in case something happened to one you wouldn't lose a days productivity.
@goncalovazpinto6261
@goncalovazpinto6261 Жыл бұрын
Chili?
@brocluno01
@brocluno01 2 жыл бұрын
When I worked for NOAA, we only used Fluke. Because we were making data sets for Nautical Charts (sonar bathymetry). And the charts could get the Gov't sued over a mistake or error. So all our equipment was calibrated and sealed. If we went to court in a multi-million dollar case involving say a shipping company or oil company, the traceability was a factor. A survey ship at sea is thousands of dollars a day in operational cost, so you just don't take chances where you don't have to. The cost a Fluke meter is pennies by comparison ...
@YouSoundButtHurt
@YouSoundButtHurt Жыл бұрын
Well said, it all comes down to traceability. It doesn't necessarily need to be a Fluke but it better be calibrated and able to be objectively proven.
@estebanjuliandipalmamartin3581
@estebanjuliandipalmamartin3581 29 күн бұрын
Can you tell me how often you calibrated it ?
@adamnowak1627
@adamnowak1627 3 жыл бұрын
Reason #1 02:27 Lifetime Warranty Reason #2 02:49 Made in the USA Reason #3 03:38 Longevity of Production Reason #4 07:24 Measurement Confidence Reason #5 12:08 Construction Quality & Consistency Reason #6 12:27 World class Standards & Calibration Reason #7 13:15 They are the Defacto Standard, and premium player Reason #8 13:53 Calibration Procedures & Service Information
@astorp12345
@astorp12345 3 жыл бұрын
Very much appreciate it!
@therealb888
@therealb888 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Saving this, will watch the video tonight.
@maryhinge128
@maryhinge128 3 жыл бұрын
cheers mate, he don't half talk a lot
@tkermi
@tkermi 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, btw. Isn't Fluke 101 at $45 kind of a hobbyist multimeter though?
@hwingerrr5680
@hwingerrr5680 2 жыл бұрын
* Lifetime or 10 years, whichever comes first.
@blueguitar4419
@blueguitar4419 2 жыл бұрын
When you talk about the use of multimeters in the US military, I was a calibration technician in charge of a calibration/metrology laboratory for the Navy. When we inducted Fluke multimeters and tested them for total function, they were always considered rock solid. We loved them and knew them to be absolute superstar devices. That is not a common sentiment about most military equipment. We had procedures for calibrating fluke multimeters for all quantitative functions. They were always perfect out of the box and we sent them out to the fleet with no further calibration required, secure in that knowledge.
@fornax205
@fornax205 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. I worked (just shy of nine years) as a calibration technician within the USAF's metrology and calibration (AFMETCAL) system. My experiences with Fluke's equipment were like yours. I quickly learned which brands of test, measurement, and diagnostic equipment (TMDE) were quality products and which were not. Our customers would sometimes buy off-brand gear that came with a "certificate of calibration" which more often than not was just a worthless piece of paper. We'd perform an initial calibration on the off-brand equipment, and quite often (maybe 70% of the time?) it'd fail to meet one or more of its stated performance specs, and consequently the customer would have to send the thing back for a refund. You get what you pay for.
@RobertWilliams-mk8pl
@RobertWilliams-mk8pl 2 жыл бұрын
My brother worked briefly at a Navy calibration lab at NAD Earle, NJ
@Skank_and_Gutterboy
@Skank_and_Gutterboy 2 жыл бұрын
@@fornax205 Yep. I'm a mechanical engineer with the Air Force but I work with shop guys that do electrical work on end-items and on the jet. I trust their opinion, their stuff is always Fluke, that's what you use when you're doing work that could take down a jet if you don't do it right.
@stighenningjohansen
@stighenningjohansen 2 жыл бұрын
Used my Fluke from 1981 to 2013, industrial automation in Norway, they were calibrated and tracked and never heard of a Fluke that failed. My Fluke survived a lot of happenings.. :) In this setting I think they are very cheap, and they are safe, and no one in industry needs cheap tools that fails when you need them
@spudhead169
@spudhead169 3 жыл бұрын
For a lot of folk, especially KZbinrs dinking around with stuff on camera, it's just a status symbol. "Oh look, I've got a Fluke, aren't I good huh?". BigClive is the hero here, although I know he does have Flukes, he's not proud about it and will use less hyped brands and even the generic dirt cheap ones on-screen. And frankly, if all you're doing is low voltage mucking around, you don't need anything fancy.
@CoolKoon
@CoolKoon 3 жыл бұрын
"will use less hyped brands and even the generic dirt cheap ones on-screen." - He does work with mains voltage every now and then though and that's a voltage level where I'd personally forego the use of dirt cheap meters too (unless I have nothing else at hand that is).
@chrism2042
@chrism2042 2 жыл бұрын
I purchased a Fluke meter in the early 1990's when I was a electrician in a industrial poultry processing plant. 90% of what I done was either extremely wet, extreme heat and even working in freezer buildings. That meter was always in my tool belt. Later started my commercial/industrial electrical contracting company where that meter was used a lot and of course beat around a lot. Still works flawless today.
@richardsmith8015
@richardsmith8015 3 жыл бұрын
I work for a calibration lab. Fluke meters do remain pretty accurate with age and if they are out they can always be recalibrated to bring them back in. As Dave says there is a calibration and adjustment procedure for all of them. At the other end of the scale we have own brand instruments from one or two well known electronics suppliers that fail quoted performance specs from new. Recently we had 4 new of one meter in and 3 failed calibration.
@truthsRsung
@truthsRsung 3 жыл бұрын
I am inKlein'd to finish your thought, but don't feel it's my place.
@pliedtka
@pliedtka 3 жыл бұрын
I also worked in calibration lab that also calibrated DMMs for the army - for a while I dreamed about display digits at night. The calibrator was a big Fluke unit, which I really liked. The DMMs are OK, but nothing I would really be crazy about, there were more precise units than Flukes. I still use 78 Automotive DMM because it has some features that new units don't have.
@nineteenandfortyone
@nineteenandfortyone 2 жыл бұрын
I work for a large rapid transit authority and use an issued Fluke 77III. My meter at home is a 77 that I bought used in 1990. As you said, one of the reasons people pay the price for a Fluke meter is confidence in the product. Throughout my 45 year career in electronics, there have always been fluke meters available or in use most everywhere. Their equipment will either be obviously bad, or reliable. That is in comparison to other brands in use in the same locations. I own a fluke for the same reason I wear a radio setting watch. I want it to be correct. Thank you for an entertaining and informative presentation.
@bradswensen117
@bradswensen117 3 жыл бұрын
I am a commercial electrician and I trust my fluke meters with my life. Knowing if something happens the meter isn't going to explode and kill me gives me alot of confidence. Nice video.
@bobweiram6321
@bobweiram6321 3 жыл бұрын
Or knowing it's not telling you that it 6V instead of 600V. LOL!
@sbrunner69
@sbrunner69 3 жыл бұрын
Could the blue one explode?
@bradswensen117
@bradswensen117 3 жыл бұрын
@@sbrunner69 any meter can. They all have ratings. But what I'm talking about is your testing a piece of large equipment and a car crashes into a transformer blocks away and sends a surge of voltage down the line. I expect my fluke meter to contain the damage, it will be destroyed as any meter would be. But I expect it to contain all the damage internally and not all over me.
@wingerrrrrrrrr
@wingerrrrrrrrr 3 жыл бұрын
Trying to think of any possible situation that would cause a DMM to explode. Closest thing is using some cheap meter with an unfused 10A range in current mode, and placing it directly across mains voltages. Even then the meter wouldn't explode, but the probes would object in vigorous fashion 😎.
@niv8880
@niv8880 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting you say that. I started my career in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers as a 16 year old in the late 80's. Where we sourced our test kit and components has influenced my life - we only had the best - it was critical to keeping our military safe. I only recently moved to non-Weller soldering irons! But certainly Fluke was a manufacturer of preference way back then as it is today.
@bruceyork5260
@bruceyork5260 2 жыл бұрын
My experience with the Fluke DMM’s. Electrician mate of mine accidentally dropped his Fluke meter into gold mining leach tank (alkaline environment, slurry under constant agitation), the meter was recovered a month later during the shutdown and after a clean, the meter still worked. Awesome bit of kit.
@ramosel
@ramosel 3 жыл бұрын
I've been retired for many years now. I still have Fluke 77s (like in the article you showed) that I acquired in the 80s. I've had them calibrated at least every 3 years and one has never needed any adjustment, the other has only needed drift adjustment 2 times and they were both less than 0.01% I have 3 others and the only repair any of them have ever needed was one pink rubber connector with embedded wires between the circuit board and the display. Only my clamp meter is less than 20 years old. The only other meter I have is a Triplett vane meter and its from the 80s too. Confidence is a huge factor. Right or wrong, I just don't trust anything else.... Fluke has never let me down.
@noelwiltshire8926
@noelwiltshire8926 2 жыл бұрын
I bought my Fluke 73 some time in the 80's. Was head technician of a company then. Fluke still works perfectly. As an aside, in the late 70's I bought a Micronta (Tandy) bench meter, and it also is in top condition. Readings between the two are identical.
@1967_RS-SS
@1967_RS-SS 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on with those observations you made. Here are a couple others I saw, having worked for 17 years in a military contracting company. We had to build high reliability, high precision, high accuracy devices. These were spelled out specifically in the contract with industry standard ways of exactly measuring each. The US military used to be the worlds largest consumer of electronic products. They required highly reliable resistors, caps, ICs, etc., so the industry provided them. When the consumer electronics/ cell phone market exploded, that changed. The biggest customers for component were cell phone manufacturers and other consumer electronics, who, on average sold their customers new phones every year or two. They refused to pay the high price that comes from highly reliable components (7 to 10 years) as it wasn’t needed so the manufacturers stopped providing them. This left the military contractors and test equipment manufacturers in a pickle. They still had the same stringent requirements but now had to build their products with less reliable, less accurate components. So what to do? They started screening batches of components. Companies popped up that provided these services. Your purchasing dept buys several lots of resistors and sends them to these testing companies to evaluate the reliability of each lot. Those that didn’t pass weren’t used. The extra cost of these tests is necessary to maintain the high standards contracts call for. Fluke was affected by this as well so they have to go through extra steps to screen their parts to get the results they need. The fact that Fluke still continues to sell highly reliable, highly stable (with respect to metrology standards) products is due to the extra effort they have to go through to obtain these materials. The US military requires that some equipment be made in the USA to cut down on possible industrial espionage. Buying and placing a piece of test equipment, now many of which can be connected online, inside a secure facility can become a security risk. It’s easier to manage and inspect/audit domestic manufacturing facilities and they are subject to US law for any illegal actions they may take. Not so with overseas manufacturers. There are other reasons as well but these are the ones that came to mind watching your video. Great job. I really enjoy your content. Keep it up!
@michaelm1
@michaelm1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your insight!
@philliberatore4265
@philliberatore4265 2 жыл бұрын
I was in China many years ago and walked by an electrician working on some building wiring. The yellow meter on his ladder caught my eye because it seemed really high-end compared to most everything else I've seen around there. Took a closer look, the brand name was "FUKE".
@eng3d
@eng3d 2 жыл бұрын
At least it wasn't puke
@loverforever9030
@loverforever9030 2 жыл бұрын
Or Fong 😂
@Aboudy1989
@Aboudy1989 Жыл бұрын
Or NUKE hahah
@deepaknanda1113
@deepaknanda1113 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@philliberatore4265
@philliberatore4265 22 күн бұрын
Was it a genuine FUKE, or a knockoff?
@superdave1949
@superdave1949 2 жыл бұрын
I still have my Fluke 77 that I used daily for years in the semiconductor industry for field calibration of precision measuring instruments. When the company upgraded our meters to one of the "true RMS" Flukes they gave us our old Flukes. After 30+ years it still works like new.
@BrucesShop
@BrucesShop 2 жыл бұрын
I am with you
@PeteCourtier
@PeteCourtier 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, my Fluke 77 is 20 years old and used daily. It’s a bit worn looking but would never replace it. Those in the know covet it and the younger engineers ask why I use an old beaten up crap meter😂.
@Waltkat
@Waltkat 2 жыл бұрын
@@PeteCourtier I'm with you brother. I've had my 2 Fluke 77's since the '80's working on semiconductor manufacturing equipment and even though I and the meter's are now retired, they still work like new on projects and repair duties. We're talking almost 40 years of reliable service.
@Danelectrofy
@Danelectrofy 2 жыл бұрын
My 77 that I bought through Sears is still running and still accurate.
@pengawaspenyerumalutaubat8365
@pengawaspenyerumalutaubat8365 2 жыл бұрын
From Indonesia 🙏🙏
@edge1289
@edge1289 2 жыл бұрын
I worked as a high voltage lineman for over 4 decades. When I started we used the old analog meters then the company started buying Fluke meters. I’ve used several Fluke multis meters and clip on amp meters, Fluke is the state of the art and always worked.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man those analog meters are legendary. I still got a couple of those in my garage and recently tested it out and it's still accurate.
@billfusionenterprise
@billfusionenterprise 8 ай бұрын
our work bans anything besides fluke for standard meters. arc flash is the reason
@wbfaulk
@wbfaulk 3 жыл бұрын
"Longevity of production" (or a closely related attribute) is also important to "lifetime warranty". There might be cheap multimeters out there that have a lifetime warranty, but when your multimeter breaks, good luck trying to track down that random string of characters that passed for a company name on Amazon. (And which naming here apparently gets your comment deleted.)
@PainterVierax
@PainterVierax 3 жыл бұрын
by taking extreme parts you forget the middle ones: There is still other old and reputable brands which produce instrumentation tools for pros with that kind of warranty. That's especially true in the European market.
@wbfaulk
@wbfaulk 3 жыл бұрын
@@PainterVierax Very true, but I didn't mean to imply that Fluke was the only manufacturer that had "longevity of production".
@sstorholm
@sstorholm 3 жыл бұрын
@@PainterVierax Only problem is that they are either owned by Fluke (Beha-Amprobe) or cost as much as Fluke (Gossen Metrawatt)
@andrewt9204
@andrewt9204 3 жыл бұрын
I call those "alphabet soup" companies. Always frustrating to try and wade your way through all those "brands" finding a more legitimate/recognizable one.
@codingbloke
@codingbloke 3 жыл бұрын
In the early part of my career I worked for Schlumberger Instruments (Solatron) and it always an in-joke that whilst we made meters to compete with (and in some case surpass) Fluke kit, Fluke was an integral of our test setups. Something we had be a bit hush-hush about.
@joeatkin6600
@joeatkin6600 3 жыл бұрын
My Schlumberger multimeter went bang in a puff of blue smoke , will use my fluke to repair it when I find a mains filter that fits in the hole...
@pichacker
@pichacker 3 жыл бұрын
@@joeatkin6600 Ah the RIfa and Blue smoke. Mine too. It was a 7150 type DMM and it was just sitting on the bench. I wasn't there and other half launched it outside never to return. My Henry Hoover and my 8640B all suffered the same Puffing Rifa. They survived any ejections though. The Kenwood food processor from 1986 still has Rifa's on board. Was nothing sacred from them?
@Serrano46571
@Serrano46571 3 жыл бұрын
I've had the same Fluke 75 meter for 40 years. It still works flawlessly to this day.
@Chris_at_Home
@Chris_at_Home 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had my 87 since 1991. I had to go to Kuwait and my old 8020 screen got busted when the tool case it was in was dropped while unloading a helicopter in the Arctic and I couldn’t wait for the part to fix it. The last large communications company I worked for it was the standard.
@phillipjacobs7975
@phillipjacobs7975 2 жыл бұрын
I have the 77 multimeter. It has been going since the late 70's it was passed to me and it has never failed me once
@AverageNiceGuy
@AverageNiceGuy 2 жыл бұрын
@@phillipjacobs7975 ahhh, the 77.🙏😇 If I would have married the 77 instead of my ex... 👰> - $$$
@thebiggianthead8364
@thebiggianthead8364 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, bought mine in the early 1980's and I carried my 75 in an ammo can full of other tools bouncing around in the back of my truck. Still works fine, still using original wires and terminals. The poster can say what he wants about others being better, but everyone I know with another brand has had it go belly up eventually.
@henrysiegertsz8204
@henrysiegertsz8204 2 жыл бұрын
As an Avionics technician in the RAF, (in the '90's) we used Avo, Allen-Bradley, Collins, Tektronics, Hewlett-Packard, Fluke, Schlumberger and various others with the National Standards Laboratory calibrated standards, with procedures written for a range of over 3,000 standard, and special to type test equipment and ATE in my inventory. In rare cases direct equivalent main test equipment may have been called out in the documentation (e.g., sig gens, scopes, DVM''s etc.), but for the most part and the exact reasons you stated, procedures were T.E. manufacturer and model specific. The same is true for Industrial manufacture and Process Plant control/instrumentation test/ repair and Cal.
@antaris25
@antaris25 3 жыл бұрын
All good points! I'm a calibration technician in a USAF lab (aka PMEL) for over 30 years and would recommend most Fluke meters for any applications that matter. Every time we calibrate an item, we document our findings if it met specifications or out of tolerance (OOT) and that data is periodically reviewed by an engineer to determine the ideal calibration interval to meet at least an 80% reliability rate. Let's say the engineer is reviewing actions on a Fluke 87 and after hundreds of actions determines that on average, this model meets specifications 94% of the time. In that case, the calibration interval would be extended since reliability confidence is so high. If it didn't have high reliability, then the interval would be shortened. For USAF meters, many Flukes are on a 5 year calibration interval while many cheaper models are on either 3, 6, or 12.month interval. It's not brand loyalty or even written procedures (at least not so much) but years of tracking maintenance data for every part number and manufacturer. Some other considerations are accuracy specifications as well as input characteristics. All too often we see that these cheaper models might have comparable or better specs but when tested in a lab are complete garbage. If you look inside, many times there may only be one or two adjustments or very poor product support where they don't provide service manuals to cal labs (usually under the excuse that it's proprietary). They don't expect the product to last so you buy replacements after only a year or two. Many cheaper meters do not have great input characteristics where it affects the circuit you are attempting to measure. Low current circuitry can easily be loaded down by a meter or introduce capacitance or noise. This is extremely common with many cheaper models. With test equipment, the saying that 'you get what you pay for' is very true. My final comments are in regards to safety. Search for CAT III meters and mishaps. You will find disturbing pictures and videos of electricians who were injured or killed when working on high voltage and current lines and panels because of internal arcing or breakdown because their meter wasn't specifically designed to handle. Would you trust a generic brand or the industry leader who has engineered their products with safety in mind?
@etview
@etview 3 жыл бұрын
I worked for the BBC in the 1990. All the broadcast engineers were given a Fluke 77 DVM marked BBC on the back. One went missing presumed stolen. I was found over a year later next to a railway line ( thrown from a bridge by someone with a grudge ) , and returned. It was not in it's case, but after drying out, a squirt of WD40 and a new battery it worked fine. One more reason to buy Fluke.
@thehighprotondiet3127
@thehighprotondiet3127 3 жыл бұрын
Anecdote is not evidence. What makes you think no other brand of meter could do that?
@etview
@etview 3 жыл бұрын
@@thehighprotondiet3127 It is a true story, but take from it what you will. Another Fluke meter may have never worked again. A different brand may have survived even better. Sometimes it's just luck. It was my one time experience.
@typxxilps
@typxxilps 3 жыл бұрын
@@thehighprotondiet3127 better to hear such story than to read nothing about it. And if you check the current video then you can not see any bias of the likelihood that someone else would tell us such story from one of those many competitors. Of cause again no evidence but Dave did not call for telling him about our fluke experience, nothing like that so anyone using thoses meters of any brand could have come up with his story. And of cause we do not know if in that spot it had even rained in the months or weeks between lost and found. But I like to hear such story first hand which only happened cause back then and now it was a company asset, not the 8$ throw away item of nowadays which is not a judgement about their quality. They could even be better in some areas or all. But back in the 90s a GBP was of different value than now for sure, especially since brexit when we started to even import more from the UK for the first year. Since then the import has come to a digital and hard 0 GBP imports due to all the nightmares from shipping to customs and so on. China is shipping fast than the UK and the UK idea of asking for shipping quotes was the last nightmare which always bothered and took time. Lost battle they will never win back again. I do not know how the economy makes it through tough days but the british exports dried out since last january.
@chuchuchip
@chuchuchip 2 жыл бұрын
I used only Fluke meters in the Navy. Yes it's in all the maintenance manuals & test instructions, not to mention how we bounced them around in rough seas! They worked every time. Because of this experience that's all I own.
@AT2Productions
@AT2Productions 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, every tool box I was in charge of and ever used had a Fluke meter in there.
@mrtucey
@mrtucey 2 жыл бұрын
Same and I'm still using them in Boeing.
@robs6295
@robs6295 2 жыл бұрын
Having worked in plant and vehicle maintenance i can say that fluke's are the best. They never lose their calibration and they are amazingly rugged. The leads are also super nice. Also like the replaceable internal fuse for measuring amps.
@tmwinkler
@tmwinkler 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct. My entire 34-year career has been in "that" environment. Even changes like HP -> Agilent -> Keysight make us cringe; each name change runs the risk of deeper, unaccounted changes. Particularly considering that document changes can cost thousands of dollars, sometimes per page. Thanks for sharing!
@brabhamfreaman166
@brabhamfreaman166 3 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating, subtle stuff that the average guy or, say, self-employed electrician just wouldn’t consider and probably wouldn’t need to. Unique video, logical & rational explanation for every reason. Top drawer, thanks.
@7wingsaseagles89
@7wingsaseagles89 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of the original multimeters from fluke that was produced in 1980 still being used in the field today to do measurements. Just like you said it still works today and I have no reason to replace it because it does what I needed to do. Fluke has done an excellent job marketing their products. It's not just multimeters that are overpriced pretty much all their test equipment is overpriced as well as calibration services. Take a category tester for testing category cable for a computer networks. Compared to other manufacturers they are always more expensive. Otdrs for testing fiber optic cable another example but they've done very well with their marketing as well as their audience.
@sstorholm
@sstorholm 3 жыл бұрын
Yupp, if you think a DMM is overpriced, wait until you see the CATX certification testers. On the other hand though, I've actually found the price of them to be a feature, we once had a case where someone tested a whole installation and got a 100% pass, but 45% failed continuity testing when we rechecked with a Linkrunner. We then acquired a Fluke certification tester (DSX I think it was), and retested, 40% pass rate. When we went to discuss our findings, having the "gold standard" and most expensive meter in the room shut down the arguments from the other side of the table quite quickly.
@Stefan_Van_pellicom
@Stefan_Van_pellicom 11 ай бұрын
I am a carpenter and very happy with my old Fluke 10 that I managed to buy at an auction some 20 years ago. I only test for continuity, line AC and the occasional battery. Nice thing about Fluke is, when you whip it out, customers think “he must know what he’s doing!”…
@qlum
@qlum 3 жыл бұрын
To hit closer to home, on the documentation part. Take the TI-84 Plus as an example, almost everyone has to use these at school (at least here in the Netherlands). They are slow and expensive, yet everyone has to use them, as all the educational material references it and relies on the exact calculator. Edit: restructured the comment a bit.
@fortheregm1249
@fortheregm1249 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect example ! I grew up with Ti-83+. our school text books had the 83+ baked into the schoolbooks
@DaveF.
@DaveF. 3 жыл бұрын
Good reason to test maths in ways that don't require a calculator. Firstly, no-one gets stuck with an old or useless one, second;y, it's cheaper, thirdly, you have to think about your answers, and fourthly if the answer to your problem isn't a whole number, simple fraction or a multiple of pi you've probably screwed up somewhere.
@VincentGroenewold
@VincentGroenewold 3 жыл бұрын
Really? As far as my experience in school there goes, there are now deals with schools to always go for the most up-to-date calculator for... reasons... that parents have to pull their wallet for every time. :)
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 3 жыл бұрын
I remember Ti-30 in that role. I often used a higher model in class but had access to an actual Ti-30 when required, as usage was exactly the same if avoiding the new (at the time) AOSP 2 user interface that required users to uselessly punch function buttons before the numbers.
@DaveF.
@DaveF. 3 жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 I believe a bigger problem these days is calculators that can talk to each other wirelessly. In my day, calculators were fine if they didn't have a 'alphanumeric keyboard' - ie. weren't a 'computer' This had the ludicrous effect of banning the TI92 because of its keyboard, but allowing the TI89 which was functionally identical, just had a traditional form factor.
@NoLandMandi
@NoLandMandi 3 жыл бұрын
absolutely correct on how large corporations almost do anything and pay (happily) any price to get the exact same specifications every time they buy another one of those god old whatever they used forever. I remember working in one of the biggest medical device manufacturers, a famous Australian one! and sometimes it felt almost comical the amount of trouble they indoor to get the exact same item regardless of the importance or complexity of it. doesn't matter if it was a simple detergent or sandpaper or high-tech test equipment, the cost of changing brand A detergent to brand B detergent, or switching from 1000 girt to 1100 grit sandpaper was millions of dollars as they have to prove with traceable facts and tests, those changes wouldn't have any effects on quality and longevity of the product.
@jakx2ob
@jakx2ob 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has worked in medical production for a bit I'm not surprised. Entire staff has to sign off that they have read the entire spec sheet, safety warnings, etc of pretty much any substance and component involved. I never before considering reading the safety warnings for soap but we had to. Surprised we didn't have to sign off before using the toilet paper.
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 3 жыл бұрын
I can't blame them, I do the same on my life. for ex, when I need to fix any problem on my car, I just go for my reputable mechanic and I don't even ask for the price, I just say fix it. The amount of trouble I could get from going to another one I don't trust yet, its not worth the savings vs the risk. It even goes as far as using only original parts, why risk the warrant on after market? to save some small bucks and can come to bite you on insurance or warrant. I can understand what goes into the decision. Heck, even when I'm buying groceries on the super market, I go for the brands I trust and only some times I try something different, only because I know how the taste and quality is going to be and I don't care much about the price, it doesn't matter either way. Why change it and risk something that might taste bad or even be bad. Its all about the mental resources I would have to spend to change vs the cost in money. Ironically, not everything is about saving money, but almost every time its about saving time. Time is usually the most scarce resource you have either way, you can always earn more money later. Time saving and risk management, simple as that.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 3 жыл бұрын
@@jakx2ob Trust me there was an entire division of supply people who were doing just that, so that every roll was the same quality as the original contract specified, even if they had to special manufacture the poorest quality paper to meet that old specification, because that was the best when the contract was issued, 100 years ago.
@jakx2ob
@jakx2ob 3 жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA I guess they need to mix in just the right amount of thorns into the pulp or whatever else they do for the abrasive feel.
@0x53v4k
@0x53v4k 3 жыл бұрын
@@monad_tcp For organisations and corporations this makes sense, but most individuals or families do not have the monetary leeway to behave like that.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 3 жыл бұрын
I still regularly use a Fluke 77 from the 1980's. Works great; extremely reliable. As you can see from your video, the Fluke can also withstand incredible shaking.
@MultiArrie
@MultiArrie 3 жыл бұрын
My Fluke 77 has worn contacts on the selector dail.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 3 жыл бұрын
@@MultiArrie My selector is pretty good shape but my Radio Shack DVM is already showing some wear and has a lot less usage.
@ronmcc100
@ronmcc100 Жыл бұрын
Many years ago, I was involved in a research panel discussion about industrial test equipment. As an electronics engineer, I listed all of these points as my reasons for purchase of these products at the company I worked for. I summed it all up by stating "If it work's, it's a Fluke!" The crowd went wild, the panel discussion was closed, and my partner and I were presented with our own brand new Fluke multimeters!
@jakebrodskype
@jakebrodskype 3 жыл бұрын
Around 2012, I found an old Fluke 8060A meter that had been beat up and abused on a truck for around 25 years. It had been through the heat of summer and the dead cold of winter in a tool kit stored on various trucks since the mid 1980s. It had lived a hard life in some extreme conditions and it was still working. Fluke arrived at one of our local electronics parts stores one day with calibration gear and many new products that we were eager to try out. I brought that 8060A there just out of curiosity. Was it still in calibration? YES. It was --as good as it was when new. (Note that our calibration sticker was WAY out of date) Naturally, the Fluke sales staff were eager to point this out not only to us, but to other clients. But there is a lesson here: You get what you pay for.
@sveinfarstad3897
@sveinfarstad3897 3 жыл бұрын
I using two 8060a, spot on and very good instrument.
@terry5008
@terry5008 3 жыл бұрын
I have an 8060A I bought in 1981 when I was going off to college for EE. It still works, and now I know that it doesn't need calibrating. :)
@pliedtka
@pliedtka 3 жыл бұрын
This is very good DMM
@dmjohnston
@dmjohnston 3 жыл бұрын
I love the 8060A. Working in Calibration, I've seen them in a lot of different conditions and I don't think I've ever seen one fail verification.
@sveinfarstad3897
@sveinfarstad3897 3 жыл бұрын
@@dmjohnston I've got two, both pretty spot on!
@pev_
@pev_ 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Fluke 112 about thirty years ago as a private hobbyist person, just because I wanted to trust the (smallish number of) measurements that I will do with a multimeter. I did have a couple of very cheap meters, both analog and digital, before that, and I never really had a reason to doubt their accuracy, but because I had the opportunity to get a meter that I know I can really trust, that's what I did :)
@feralcapitalist2527
@feralcapitalist2527 3 жыл бұрын
I received a fluke 110 from 20 some years ago when I was about 10 years old, left it out in the cold or hot car, dropped it way too many times to count, had so many run hours on, been through more than 5 or so batteries. I got so much flak for bringing it into the engineering workplace over it being "old and possibly out of calibration". Had the calibration company check all the functions. It was within 0.25% within all functions and all ranges! We're talking it being off 1-2 mV from the calibrator here! Unbelievable!
@schwartztekllc
@schwartztekllc 3 жыл бұрын
The only reason I own mostly Flukes is because I shopped around for them in slightly used or as-new condition. Otherwise they are cost prohibitive for my non-professional use.
@Rob-u3c
@Rob-u3c 21 күн бұрын
I calibrated many Fluke Meters over the past 30 years and they hold their accuracy better than any other meter that I ever worked on. If I had my own business I would not buy anything else other than a fluke.
@danielegger6460
@danielegger6460 3 жыл бұрын
There's one other important reason: You don't get fired for buying [important brand] products. Fluke is one of those brands.
@Narwaro
@Narwaro 3 жыл бұрын
There also is Gossen Metrawatt, those multimeters are even more expensive than Fluke and Made in Germany. They're mainly used for power electronics troubleshooting.
@fkiesel9442
@fkiesel9442 3 жыл бұрын
I would guess, all the reasons mentioned for Fluke here, are also true for Gossen Metrawatt.
@simonstroud2555
@simonstroud2555 3 жыл бұрын
Where I am working at the moment the head electronics guy has kitted out everyone with Gossen Mettawatt DMMs. Have to say, as a lifetime Fluke user, that I have found the Gossen extremely slow to autorange compared to anything I have used previously.
@Narwaro
@Narwaro 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonstroud2555 True.
@kingey71
@kingey71 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got an original Fluke 77 that my Dad gave to me as a present in 1986. Still my main daily use now almost 40 years later.
@tomgeorge3726
@tomgeorge3726 3 жыл бұрын
I had one too, until someone decided they needed it more than me, while on a job site. I was not a happy camper!!!!!!
@aaronwilliams1249
@aaronwilliams1249 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly the Fluke 77 my father gave me in 1989 for high school graduation walked off a few years ago. It was just as fast and reliable when it disappeared as it was when it was new. I don't care what Dave says, I have never seen a Fluke fail. All the bench meters in college were Flukes. I've had other meters, but they always fail. When the digits on my Fluke got a bit wonky, I just opened it up and readjusted the zebra strip between the PCB and the LCD and it was as good as new. I now have a Fluke 87 V. You'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands before I'll let anyone borrow it. Also, the auto-ranging of the Fluke has always been fast, unlike many other multimeters I've worked with.
@robertborchert932
@robertborchert932 3 жыл бұрын
Hehe, I still have my trusty Fluke 77, olive green, bought in 1985. When new, we marveled at its quick response linear display, a feature years ahead of anything else. Hell, the probes last about 20 years per set! I also have a Fluke 88, more sophisticated. Fluke replaced the display about 24 years ago. Both meters are phenomenal.
@ju2705s
@ju2705s Ай бұрын
As I learned 35 Years ago electronic, in Germany, all our Multimeter was from Fluke and it has since then same reasons to buy. Nice vid
@dolamyte
@dolamyte 3 жыл бұрын
Used Flukes in the military and then bought my own when I was working as a wireless engineer, kind of a gift for myself. Got it calibrated for the first time 10 years later and it was still in the exact specs from factory and just needed a new battery. The same was not true of the cheaper ones the company used.
@666kty3
@666kty3 3 жыл бұрын
IF YOU DONT USE YOUR METER ENOUGH TO KEEP A FRESH BATTERY IN IT, YOUR OPINION IS WORTHLESS.
@dolamyte
@dolamyte 3 жыл бұрын
@@666kty3 It was a year old battery and most good labs will replace the battery for cal anyways. Plus, I prefer to put wear and tear on company equipment rather than my own. But cool story bro
@superhacker101
@superhacker101 3 жыл бұрын
@@666kty3 yea no one cares
@superhacker101
@superhacker101 2 жыл бұрын
@@666kty3 wow Biden is taking a heavy toll on American brains
@jothain
@jothain 2 жыл бұрын
@@666kty3 No need to be an..... A-HOLE!
@minoodeboo
@minoodeboo 2 жыл бұрын
I have been using Fluke DMM since early 1990's and I am in love with them, as you correctly said I trust their accuracy, reliability and ruggedness.
@Ruudwardt
@Ruudwardt 3 жыл бұрын
The measurement confidence and stability of the spec is no joke with Fluke. I used to work in a calibration lab and calibrated lots of different meters. Fluke is generally about 10x more accurate on dc ranges than the spec states. This means a given spec Fluke often matches or surpasses a competitors meter with much better spec. Through my hands moved units that were abused, dirty and old, some more than 10 y of grind - and bang on in spec, and not just on the edge, usually give or take a few digits off the reference. Not so with other brands. Only Brymen hangs in there wrt stability and accuracy. The build quality and layout is better than most other meters. It is well thought through, there is space around the high energy circuits and it is generally easy to diagnose and repair a Fluke. As a bonus, their displays and buttons are a treat.
@Lee-70ish
@Lee-70ish 3 жыл бұрын
I used to calibrate meters etc also. The only two things I think could be improved on Flukes are in my opinon are the annuciator which is really cheap and support for the circuit board terminal mounts . I know you're not supposed to do it, but loads of technicians used to have a habit of wrapping the test leads around the meter while still plugged in and fracturing the board mounts over time. The 28 was my favourite fluke as best for field engineers in all weathers having an IP67 rating. We always supplied our techs with 150kohm shunt for basic non electronic use
@jackjohn4684
@jackjohn4684 3 жыл бұрын
What do you know about Megger multimeters. Or Avo. I would love to hear your thoughts upon them.
@cpcoark
@cpcoark 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackjohn4684 Biddle. That was all we ever used at the utility company I worked at. I work in our calibration lab for 8 years and very few of them failed. Also Fluke meters or Simpsons were the go to meters. Even in out nuclear plants which were audited by the NRC.
@Ruudwardt
@Ruudwardt 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackjohn4684 Well, Megger is most known for their specialty testers, insulation resistance, earth continuity etc. They are good, very much to the same caliber as Fluke, also cost a lot. I never encountered an Avo device.
@Waltkat
@Waltkat 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lee-70ish Not to refute what you say about wrapping the leads around the meter while still plugged in, but both of my '80s era 77's have been like this most of their lives and they still live on. Lol. Love my Flukes.
@MarcMorris-wp7ie
@MarcMorris-wp7ie Жыл бұрын
Had mine 25 years now...used on cars outside in the rain,left in a van from minus 10 to 40 degrees and it's never been a problem...still functions perfectly😊
@rustyaxelrod
@rustyaxelrod 3 жыл бұрын
As a military aviation worker for many years I used to be amazed when I ordered an $18 bolt knowing an “identical” one was available at the local hardware store for $1. Then I saw the documentation and certification for a bolt. There is value in knowing, absolutely, the bolt is exactly what it appears to be in material, finish, hardness and dimension in a critical application, particularly when the fastener is being loaded near its design limits. The fact the hardware store bolt will probably work just fine is not good enough. These requirements do unfortunately set up a atmosphere were item requirements are described in too much detail and you end up with a $500 toilet seat.
@asbestosfiber
@asbestosfiber 2 жыл бұрын
It's a dogs breakfast with a lot of hardware store fasteners, even on the box they will say "product of. . . " and list 3 or 4 countries. They may even test some, but you have no idea. so the $ saved is not worth it
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 2 жыл бұрын
I've done spy satellite testing for the government, and it's the same deal. You realize why that stuff costs the tax-payers so much money when you see a 1k pull-up resistor with a serial number on it, and the associated paperwork stack with the resistor's 24 hour burn-in signed off on and dated (in black ink.)
@bobjoatmon1993
@bobjoatmon1993 2 жыл бұрын
sorry, I was involved in a Kalifornia required inventory tax check at McDonald-Douglas and found out the REAL reason military parts and tools get so expensive. The contract the military produces requires stuff to be kept in inventory by the manufacturer. Say it's a combination wrench... So it's got to speced out to standards so it will fit and work and that cost money so that's added to the price over the identical wrench at the local store. Now, it's sitting in a warehouse that has staff that has to be paid, the electricity is being used for air conditioning and lights so that builds up day after day... adding to the cost. And the BIG thing is STATE TAXES where an inventory tax is charged each year. (I worked in aerospace and one company that made pressure gauges and sensors actually THREW AWAY their complete inventory every year because it was cheaper to replace with all new certified aircraft spec stuff than to pay the Alabama yearly inventory tax). So back to that wrench, each year the bookkeeping department adds the cost to keep that wrench in inventory to the price to be charged if the customer (the military) ever ordered it. So after 10 years that wrench might have an accumulated price of 20X it's cost at a tool store. If the company sold it at the original price they would have lost a lot of money, so the government understands it's the government's fault for requiring the inventory to be kept and pays the high price. The real problem is that all the states got together and use 'inventory tax' to rake in money from companies which the companies just pass on to the customer as higher prices and the customer thinks the company is the bad guy but really it's the government hidden taxes.
@moses1202
@moses1202 3 жыл бұрын
For personal use (and living in Japan), I would recommend Sanwa. The first multimeter my dad bought for me when I was six was Sanwa’s multimeter.
@fjonesjones2
@fjonesjones2 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Sanwa meter as my first meter.... that was 56 years ago... look after them and they last.... still have it and use it when I want an analogue read out instead of my Fluke...Yes, I've serviced the rotary function switch a few times.. meter movement still OK.... ;-)
@tkermi
@tkermi 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, thanks for the info. I might get the tiny Fluke 101 as a 2nd multimeter. It's only $45, so kind of a hobbyist multimeter, but really compact.
@AnwarKhan_786
@AnwarKhan_786 3 жыл бұрын
I am from India. My first (reliable) multimeter in 1980s was Sanwa P3 analog multimeter. its accuracy and reliability was legendary.
@afzaalkhan.m
@afzaalkhan.m 3 жыл бұрын
Santander is a extremely good company with excellent products ,they may not be into humongous overpriced contractor rackets with defense departments
@ahmedalshalchi
@ahmedalshalchi 3 жыл бұрын
YES , my earliest experience back in late 70's was with Sanwa Analog meter and last for almost 20 years later and died because of my repeated mistakes of measurement so without those stupid action I could have it even 20 years more ...
@makatron
@makatron 3 жыл бұрын
My dad bought a Fluke 77 back in the 80's that still works. That says a lot about build quality, that even the LCD beyond being scratched due to use and abuse still works perfectly.
@dlevi67
@dlevi67 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Fluke 75 bought in 1985. Still working perfectly, though it's a bit dingy now!
@makatron
@makatron 2 жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 these things are built to last
@ag-om6nr
@ag-om6nr 28 күн бұрын
It was a few years back late in the 2nd shift on a hot humid afternoon our foreman set up a tailgate safety meeting ! An electrician in a neighbouring plant , while working in a 600 V panel had his Fluke blowup on him ! The Fluke rep was out immediately with a replacement ! We found out later that the fuse had been replaced with a 20 A one , and to add insult to injury , the electrician had it set to measure current ! At least he got a brand new meter out of it !
@ericapelz260
@ericapelz260 3 жыл бұрын
There is also a trickle-down effect of military use. Lots of sparkies and other folks learned their trade in the military and when they move to civilian work, they want the tool they are familiar with. I've used everything from $10K Fluke gear to the cheapest, or even DIY meters. It's all about application, and risk tolerance.
@porkpie2884
@porkpie2884 3 жыл бұрын
Sad that the Industry of death is such a role model.
@fearsomerabbit
@fearsomerabbit 3 жыл бұрын
I just realized that I got my Fluke 87 because that is what I used while working as an installation tech. When I left the company and had to give my toolkit back, the first thing I bought for myself was the same fluke 87. I felt naked without it.
@starmc26
@starmc26 3 жыл бұрын
Went to a job that involved deep vehicle electrical troubleshooting, was asked by the foreman if I had a multi-meter.. I said "Yeah I just have this 25$ stupid meter". He replied: "The meter's stupid?"... That's another reason that Fluke is used by the military, because for basic purposes, you don't have to be very smart to use it; its auto settings are a breeze to use VS cheaper meters that you often need to know and set the window of the readings.
@ericapelz260
@ericapelz260 3 жыл бұрын
@@starmc26 I grew up on amalog meters where you had to select the range. I remember getting my first auto ranging dmm. I still have and use some of those old analog meters. I hate testing pots on digital meters. It's so easy to watch the needle sweep and dip as you hit the dead spot.
@georgeemeny6123
@georgeemeny6123 3 жыл бұрын
As a diesel mechanic for fifty years there were two must have standards, 1 Fluke meter and 2 SnapOn torque wrenches.
@TravelingStacker
@TravelingStacker 2 жыл бұрын
CDI makes their torque wrenches for them.
@TravelingStacker
@TravelingStacker 2 жыл бұрын
@Stangmaster 2 Is that a bad thing?
@TravelingStacker
@TravelingStacker 2 жыл бұрын
@Stangmaster 2 Well if they didn't want them buying it they shouldn't have sold it to them. Moreover, Chinese made doesn't equate to bad. The Chinese companies will make it to whatever specs you want. Tell them to make it cheap and they will. Tell them to make it great and they will. Same for American manufacturing.
@TravelingStacker
@TravelingStacker 2 жыл бұрын
@Stangmaster 2 I love your counter argument. I don't know what to say so I'll call him a troll and tell him to shut up. That'll show him.
@damaylaphoenix1155
@damaylaphoenix1155 2 жыл бұрын
@Stangmaster 2 not all Chinese companys sell junk, Dji is the best at making drones , no other company come close american or foreign !
@npgatech7
@npgatech7 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being objective - as a professional, people just don't understand how things work in large companies. The amount of money spent on multimeters doesn't even register in anyone's conscience and it makes no difference to us if it is 5x the current price. We have more important things to worry about. Just me trying to search for the right model on the internet for an hour or two costs $200 in salary.
@javacup912
@javacup912 24 күн бұрын
In 2002, I got hired by a company that dealt with electronics daily, and was issued a tool bag, that included a Fluke 110. The tool bag was mine after two years, if I left the company, which I did later. In 2021, I checked the meter against an O'scope, and it was still in spec, and I still have that meter, and just recently, the selector knob broke, and I ordered a replacement. I don't need the bells and whistles that the 80 series have, nor the cost, for just home use. When I worked with the airlines, where a Fluke meter could not be used, we then used the Simpson analog, which was the only analog meter approved by the airline for certain processes. If it wasn't for the bulk, I'd have a Simpson any day. For other uses, I've stuck with Klein brand, including a clamp meter. Great explanation.
@smorrisby
@smorrisby 3 жыл бұрын
I once drew an arc by mistake with a Fluke when repairing a Barco studio monitor. Although the meter still worked I sent it back to the local agent to be checked out and calibrated. There was nothing wrong with it! That's why we use Fluke.
@antdx316
@antdx316 3 жыл бұрын
what does drew an arc mean?
@barthchris1
@barthchris1 3 жыл бұрын
@@antdx316 Im assuming he created a small channel of plasma(arc) during a high voltage measurement. Perhaps while in current mode.
@ryanmalin
@ryanmalin 3 жыл бұрын
Im a hvac tech so I just go for the least expensive meter with all the features I need. I'm mainly using a clamp ammeter, volt meter and ohm meter. For larger motors I will get a megaohm meter to check windings. Great video. Makes me even more sad that I gave away my fluke 189.
@therealjammit
@therealjammit 3 жыл бұрын
One extra thing about the military: One reason they want to stay with one meter is because they don't want some unknown error that might happen if you use a different meter. For example I had to measure the DC bias on an RF circuit. The meter I had was showing some weird numbers. The recommended meter showed the right voltage. The problem I was having is there was RF ripple on the bias. This ripple would make any meter show the wrong voltage, but the recommended meter always showed the correct "wrong" voltage on a working circuit.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 3 жыл бұрын
"I had to measure the DC bias on an RF circuit" That's when the Simpson 260 comes out. Pure analog, ignores RF. Obviously it won't work on a high impedance circuit (gate of FET, grid of tube).
@dieSpinnt
@dieSpinnt 3 жыл бұрын
"one reason" and then stating the wrong ... has to be corrected, sorry:) If you manage the money for that concern, say in state business or a company, you would know, that it is the calibration plan and the maintenance contract, which decides who wins a tender for an inquiry. These are long term concerns. You can easily see the truth in my words when you visit leading facilities (elephants? :) ) and take a look at their gear: very expensive but also well-established devices, for which there is a replacement or a fitter within hours. an answer to inquiries and solutions to problems. IMMEDIATELY! You are absolutely correct: Hate "unknowns" as the devil ... if you have money to pay. And vice versa:) For the second part of your post I just can say: Use a capacitor. (Or a million dollar Wien-Bridge). Trivia and nothing that can be solved on YT:P Good Luck and a happy X-Mas, JT:)
@dieSpinnt
@dieSpinnt 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasmaughan4798 Usually the correct way is to feed the meter a known source. Over the full spectrum +12dB to be sure what the derivation at +3dB is. There is nothing "wrong" (sorry Jammit) ... just the person in front of the measuring device ... "usually" :P + :) If you know, that your device shows correct values in spec with the boundaries of your task (which you checked before) then there is a good chance, you can believe what you see .......... The view of Jammit of the TASK was wrong. Not the meter. Just the setup. There is nothing wrong with this. Use any measuring device with more than one knob. You will do something wrong. There is nothing wrong with this. :) Enlightenment comes after
@dieSpinnt
@dieSpinnt 3 жыл бұрын
Also: that DEVICE always showed the value it was able to show! Your interpretation (and maybe the choice of gear) changed. By Physics it would maybe be possible to correct the wrong readings, if it isn't something fundamental like RF vs DC, like in your case ... which possibly needs a normalisation device ... like a maths multiplier (really :P) or a, hehehe rectifier, which just is one representation of one of another. For X-Mas: A bad bad tip to measure dc bias in a circuit: a really really exact Ohm-load ... around $10k + a fine tuned infrared laser refractometer (no price!), a prism and a coil in the near spectrum of the resonance frequency of your target emitting RF frequency. Then compare the phase shift between the reflections. its already compensated against jitter or external influences. it will show exactly thermal energy differences (in Joule ~ Watts) between the measuring candidates. cool, or?:) (Hot, in fact)
@dieSpinnt
@dieSpinnt 3 жыл бұрын
oh and maybe this is a little strange, but this setup can measure DC accurately in an overlayed wave by 1/4 λ. What translates to a 300GHz to 400THz, depending on the sensors and experiment. Which seems strange ... but thermal radiation is DC ... btw:) and is overlayed by the rest of the universe. Excuse this off-topic explanation. sorry:)
@SirMo
@SirMo 10 ай бұрын
I have a Fluke 8060a from 1982, and 40+ years later its still within spec. Measurement Confidence is right. I think it shows a great deal of integrity to make a video like this even though you yourself sell a competing meter. Well done and kudos!
@Tywais
@Tywais 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Fluke 77 and it is over 35 years old. Still works flawlessly and used at my lab nearly daily. Can't imagine using anything else except for home hobby. But for my professional work, Fluke.
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 2 жыл бұрын
After I retired, I bought a Fluke for home use. 😁
@bobwhite137
@bobwhite137 3 жыл бұрын
Agree with all of your points - well thought out analysis as always. There was an old expression about IBM (perhaps not quite as true as it used to be): No one ever got fired for buying IBM. One could say the same thing about Fluke.
@RomrotMechanikos
@RomrotMechanikos 3 жыл бұрын
funny though, my Laptop at work is an IBM thinkpad....well a lenovo thinkpad, but it has the IBM logo on it.
@bledlbledlbledl
@bledlbledlbledl 3 жыл бұрын
that 87 you showed near the start looks very similar to the Fluke i bought back in 1991. it cost me a week's pay to buy the thing. been using it at my job 5 days a week (fewer since covid) 49 weeks a year for the past 30 years, and it's getting really worn-looking on the outside, but everything still works on it. I'm hoping it keeps on working until I retire
@theodorethompson9032
@theodorethompson9032 2 жыл бұрын
i have one for work that gets a check yearly. I had one fail calibration in like 5 years but that means i get a new one...
@JAMESWUERTELE
@JAMESWUERTELE 2 жыл бұрын
87 here since 2004. Still rocking it.
@builditbetter5610
@builditbetter5610 13 күн бұрын
My companies charge out rate for me to show up at a customer site is $248/hour, our customers would not be happy if I whipped out a $75 Amazon meter to troubleshoot their multi million dollar peice of equipment. Me as a technician I know if I drop my fluke off of a 6' ladder and the screens not broken i can still have confidence in the readings. Brand, reputation, and perceived confidence goes along way when doing this professionally.
@samc4499
@samc4499 3 жыл бұрын
Our campany just bought a lot of Fluke meters last month for RF and high voltage field work, and I asked the exact same question. The purchasing guy told me, if they do want to buy cheaper meters, someone need to warite reports for reason of change and capability issue. Manager need to sign off. And most importantly, if something went wrong, someone probably will need to come out and take the blame. So why not stick with the old one and have an easy day.
@ericsherman4181
@ericsherman4181 2 жыл бұрын
I have had my Fluke 88 since the late 80’s , it still works perfectly and it gets used often in the Auto industry. Replaced the leads, fuses blew from amp testing but that’s not the fault of the meter. It was worth it and still is. I think it was 400$ at the time.
@jackmatson962
@jackmatson962 3 жыл бұрын
When I started as an engineering tech at a large company in the mid-70s, the standard was still the analog Simpson 260P for probably the same reasons. They had a couple digital meters around as well and I foolishly thought they would be more precise and accurate until I spent a couple days trying to figure out why a newly designed product performed so poorly. Needless to say, it was the oddball meters, which were immediately mothballed when the first Flukes came in (I think they were 8020, then 77s). I currently have an 8025B in the home toolbox, which I bought for a song, in perfect condition. I learned, if it works, it's a Fluke! ;-)
@nooneyouknowhere6148
@nooneyouknowhere6148 2 жыл бұрын
Analog meters, especially high quality like Simpson. Will still out perform digital in some circumstances. A digital meter using it's snapshot picture of what is going on can't respond fast enough to see minute fluctuations in intermittent trouble. I had a very slight intermittent ground fault on a fire alarm circuit one time and by the time i could see it with my true RMS digital meter it was gone. I had to get one of the guys bring me an analog meter from the shop. I was then able to see the slightest fluctuations which came and went before the digital meter could see them. And was able to track down the problem.
@rhare7353
@rhare7353 2 жыл бұрын
I still use my simpson 260p almost daily
@Dailybaddadjoke
@Dailybaddadjoke 2 жыл бұрын
I worked for one of the largest chemical companies in the world (US based) at a site in New Zealand. We were only allowed to use specific devices that were listed on a most effective technology document. The majority of the instruments that are mentioned were fluke. With a few exceptions for process calibrators etc. it made MET documents easier to manage as we had procedures which would reference specific models etc. It also helped to ensure that contractors working on site are using instruments with correct Cat ratings etc. I do own some fluke gear but I love my Kyoritsu and Hioki test gear!
@peterhurst
@peterhurst 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Dave, I used to be on a "tester committee" for British Telecom and all the points you made are correct, when you have 20K engineers UK wide and they need a meter they need to be standardised, reliable and trusted. Many meters would go out of production before a rollout to that many users would be completed so the lifetime is important. One additional point was that Fluke have the capacity to support big companies with large scale loans and pilot deployments which smaller supplier can't or won't risk.
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
Similar to Snap On. In the USA, and a lesser extent the UK, Snap On would have sales vans going around to garages. They would seduce the younger guys with these wonderful shiny tools, giving demos of the latest if the garages owners allowed them, who would then be offered easy finance. The tools were horrendously expensive, but they said a lifetime guarantee, so it seemed the right thing to do in the long term. If the ratchet broke after 15 years, they replaced it free. If you could get hold of them of course. If there was a local dealer that was easy enough.
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
What is wrong with Megger/AVO? Similar quality to Fluke. Provided meters to military. Etc, for about 100 years.
@matthewmiller6068
@matthewmiller6068 3 жыл бұрын
Big reason is they can. Its the trusted well-known brand, and everyone recognizes it at a glance as a reputable reliable brand.
@notalizardperson
@notalizardperson 3 жыл бұрын
And how did they become a reputable reliable brand?
@rwils6333
@rwils6333 3 жыл бұрын
I've used other meters. And for whatever reason I had doubt, whether it be a dirty switch or something else. Each time I pick up my Fluke 179. I don't doubt. Just the confidence in a meter that I don't have to second guess, is worth the extra price to me.
@Thomasappliance
@Thomasappliance Жыл бұрын
I am an appliance repair technician, and have went through many meters over the last 20 years. Watching this video, I think the 786 meter is for me. I also have a you tube Chanel doing appliance repair so when I order mine in Canada, ill show in a video how it's working for appliance repair. Thanks for the video!
@florianthesnow
@florianthesnow 3 жыл бұрын
Bought a Fluke 87 V a few years back because of one of your older multimeter videos. Not because I needed it for my purposes, but because I wanted the best. Haven’t regretted it. That was before you had your own series of multimeters, though.
@fir3w4lk3r
@fir3w4lk3r 3 жыл бұрын
In my military service I had to use analog meters because the documentation was for a specific analog multimeter. We had boxes and boxes of new old stock of this meter.
@ET_Don
@ET_Don 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, tho we used both analog and digital meters depending on what the procedure called for. But the procedures did name a specific make/model meter to use, as in "Using a Fluke 8800 Digital Multimeter etc, etc, etc". And of course step one in the procedure was to verify the cal sticker.
@markbrown8097
@markbrown8097 3 жыл бұрын
I believe they manufacture newer versions of their meters too, though. If it's the Simpson 260 you are referring to.
@ET_Don
@ET_Don 3 жыл бұрын
@@markbrown8097 Simpson 260 does ring a bell for me.
@nailsonlandimprogramming
@nailsonlandimprogramming 3 жыл бұрын
When I was working at a EE course lab we preferred Fluke because they really last and as you said, we could publish articles with confidence.
@newtonraymond77
@newtonraymond77 25 күн бұрын
I've been using the same Fluke meter since 1997, never blew a fuse and it's never let me down
@tomgeorge3726
@tomgeorge3726 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, my workplace does NATA traceable calibration/certification. We get in every 12 months a group of Fluke115 DMM, that have Chinese symbols on the selector switch along side English, the actual display is unchanged. The included instruction manual is likewise Chinese, but I think even the "Normal" 115 has Chinese instruction section. I believe from a Chinese Windfarm group and they were made specially for them or the Chinese market. I have never had to declare a Fluke DMM out of certification. Some Fluke DMMs that have been in the field for many many years or have been abused, have had to have their socket assemblies replaced, but that would be considered normal attrition. We have at times purchased ex Aust Defense Dept Fluke DMMs from auctions, and had no problems with them. Merry Christmas Dave to you and the family.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Fluke make specific products for the Chinese market.
@ritecomment2098
@ritecomment2098 3 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog my 101 and 17B+ do everything I need, DC, no RMS required..
@hightttech
@hightttech 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on, Dave. And, when you write reports that reference test equipment, even the OCD clients that "know everything" NEVER get snarky when you list FLUKE, TEKTRONIX, HP, SENCORE, etc... That report can pass through many hands, and be scrutinized at meetings for days, and NOBODY challenges the kings.
@garthwood5104
@garthwood5104 3 жыл бұрын
Back when I was still doing IT consulting before I retired, the industry-standard joke was "Nobody ever got fired for buying/recommending IBM." It takes a lot of time and experience for an industry titan to be knocked off its perch, regardless of their actual quality/reliability.
@dickmeredith5797
@dickmeredith5797 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using Fluke instruments since the early '50's in the military, aerospace, aviation, and industrial fields and have never had any one question the instruments as long as they were in the calibration interval. I started using Fluke back in the LVM-4 and PVM-5 days. Dick Meredith
@pengawaspenyerumalutaubat8365
@pengawaspenyerumalutaubat8365 2 жыл бұрын
Good 👍😊 From Indonesia🙏
@highgroundproductions8590
@highgroundproductions8590 2 жыл бұрын
Early 50s... god bless you. Thanks for your lifetime of work. I hope to go into aerospace too.
@oldestmozzy7179
@oldestmozzy7179 2 ай бұрын
G'day Dave. I love your blog and especially your prolific use of the good old Australian vernacular and the dry sense of humour we are renowned for! I just ordered your BM-786 - Thank you!. For the record, I still have, and use, my original Fluke 77 I bought way back in 1983 in my home workshop. I remember well that magazine advertisement you popped in at 11:30, that swayed my purchasing decision all those years ago! Throughout my working life, I have always used Fluke DMMs and have found them 100% trustworthy for all the reasons you state in this video. Now that I'm out of the field and back on the bench and using my own tools rather than the company supplied (questionable...) DMMs, I needed one that wasn't going to make me cry if it gets "permanently borrowed"... If my nice new and flash BM-786 goes missing, I will be very, very cross but I at least can withstand the loss!
@jimmymifsud1
@jimmymifsud1 3 жыл бұрын
Another factor is the Apprentice and Tradesmen factor.. You could have your tradesman’s tradesman that uses the same fluke model you’re using
@IceNein763
@IceNein763 3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to a large organization like the military, you have to remember that the cost of the multimeters is insignificant when you consider how much money they're spending overall. $350 vs $50 might as well be a rounding error when it comes to your whole technician/test equipment/calibration standards budget.
@hanznel8488
@hanznel8488 3 жыл бұрын
Fluke was the standard for companies in mining and pulp and paper I worked for directly as a result of the calibration requirements. When lives are at risk you want something that can stand up to legal enquiry if something goes wrong and then you really have to have that paper trail.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 3 жыл бұрын
They even make an intrinsicly safe version for mining.
@Die-Spezialisten
@Die-Spezialisten 3 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog The 28-2 ex is great! The only thing missing is the bargraph function, which the 28-2 standard edition has.
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