34:00 - the 3000T has 1.6 ppm timebase accuracy, not 10 ppm. The 4000X does have a 10 MHz reference input on the back. 35:00 - the 1 GHz 6000X has a color graded/intensity display mode One of the big differences between the Keysight 3000T and the 4000X is the amount of power they can provide to active probes. This really kicks in when doing power analysis (current * voltage) x2 but matters less for other uses. The 4000X also has faster max digital channel max toggle rate (100 MHz/5 ns vs. 250 MHz/2 ns), a second WaveGen output, can display 2 more measurements at once, and comes with 700 MHz probes vs. 500 MHz. The 3000T has a 3 year cal cycle vs. 2 yr on the 4000X. It also has 1.6 ppm time base stability vs 10.0 ppm.
@keithmonahan6295 жыл бұрын
Great to see you guys here. I'm a huge Keysight fan boy, and own a scope and fully-loaded 16700A and 16900A logic analyzers. Glad to see you're interfacing with the community!
@KeysightLabs5 жыл бұрын
@@keithmonahan629 Thanks Keith!
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
Ah, did I have an old datasheet or just goofed it?
@KeysightLabs5 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog Either goofed or used a 3000A datasheet. The 3000T has an upgraded oscillator.
@tobiasweber68225 жыл бұрын
Bought a new MSO-X3024 in 2011 and still do not regret it. Only bad point: Disconnect it from mains if it not used. Some Rs in the PSU desolder themselfes over time.
@Rohde-Schwarz5 жыл бұрын
We also have some comments and probably can answer some open questions: 1. FFT (23:13) - up to 128 kSample 2. Gated FFT (24:10) - Yes 3. Updated Rate Max. (25:35) - 64 k and 2,000,000 in fast segmentation mode 4. Color Intensity Display (35:15) - Yes 5. Peak Detect (36:10) - 400ps guaranteed all the time, in Interleave Mode: 200ps
@movax20h5 жыл бұрын
You are the best. Most polished interface and no nonsense. Probably my next scope!
@Rohde-Schwarz5 жыл бұрын
@@movax20h Really appreciate your feedback
@keithsabine73984 жыл бұрын
Shame the bundle price is not available now, the 1G/4ch RTM3k is about £11k in the UK with no options :(
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
CORRECTIONS: 1) The Keysight 3000T has a 1.6ppm reference 2) The Tektronix MDO3000 and MDO4000 are not being discontinued 3) The Tek 4 series has the new Spectrum View feature available - a hardware digital downconverter on each analog channel, giving flexible time-correlated spectrum analysis that isn't tied (limited by) the analog channel sample rate / record depth. 4) Tektronix have a refurbished store called Tek Encore.
@PEQTEK5 жыл бұрын
I went to an oscilloscope seminar hosted by R&S couple months back. They were showing off their top of the line stuff, and also teaching basics on how to use oscilloscopes in general. They were really proud about their power analysis and eye diagram functions, along with all the other treats their scopes come with. And for their demos they were using the RTM3000 series scope with all the features, and I have to say that it is a very nice piece of equipment.
@goldfingerdash5 жыл бұрын
I really do hate when you have to contact sales to get a price. Just list the price!
@eng3d5 жыл бұрын
My competitors never put the price. My prices are visible for everyone
@edinfific25763 жыл бұрын
@@Sidowse Off their 50% inflated price.
@SalvagedCircuitry5 жыл бұрын
YESSS! Dave's back reviewing Oscilloscopes again! P.S. Get well soon Dave!
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
In bed until midday today, only got around to releasing this at 2pm. I think I need to get my affairs in order, I may not make it....
@SiglentVideo5 жыл бұрын
SDS5000X will have Bode Plot and Power Analysis functions in Q3 of 2019. And more features are on the to do list.
@Leezorc5 жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm little late to the party but if you do put that PA function I'm getting one!
@SiglentVideo5 жыл бұрын
@@Leezorc Just drop us a line at info@siglent.com for more info
@SomeMorganSomewhere5 жыл бұрын
*gets sore throat just listening to Dave in this video*
@GWVEEN5 жыл бұрын
These videos are not only good for us but also show the manufacturers where they should improve to compete. I bet/hope some marketing people and manufacturer engineers are gonna be watching this video
@Joetechlincolns5 жыл бұрын
Keysight responded and a gentleman who works for Tektronics did as well.
@mikemike70015 жыл бұрын
Only Dave could digest all those data sheets, keep all the specs straight, analyze them, and present them in such a comprehensive manner. Really quite amazing.
@AF290075 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when you ask an engineer which product is "the best" or "the cheapest"... they dive down a rabbit hole, suddenly they've made spreadsheets and your final answer is a 3-page spreadsheet
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
All whilst sick as a dog. Where's my Nobel?
@mikemike70015 жыл бұрын
@@AF29007 Yup. I've got a spreadsheet for almost every component search I've done. Unlike Dave, I can't keep all the specs in my head, and I'm never satisfied until I know all the options.
@mikemike70015 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog I already submitted a nomination, but I've heard the competition is quite fierce. How about an Ig Nobel instead?
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
@@mikemike7001 I'll settle for that
@MrL3mming4 жыл бұрын
The SDS5000X now features several additional features with the lastest firmware: 1. Bode plot (You can even use a standalone AWG from Siglent, in my case a SDG6022X and it works great), and the best thing: it is free! 2. Power analysis (requires a seperate license) 3. You now have a formula editor where you can define your own equations.
@stuartmcconnachie5 жыл бұрын
0:35 “...see how they stack up”. Not very well, because they’re not as deep as they used to be, and don’t have flat top cases?
@MrGuano115 жыл бұрын
YEP STUART... THEY SURELY DON'T MAKE EM LIKE THEY USED TO STILL HAVE MY TRUSTY OLD HAMEG HM 203 NONE OF THAT FANCY DIGITAL STUFF THE YOUNGSTERS ARE SPOILED WITH THE WIFE TELLS ME TO THROW THAT OLD TV SCREEN AWAY BUT IM NOT HAVING ANY OF THAT
@nulano5 жыл бұрын
@@MrGuano11 WHY ARE YOU YELLING!
@xenonram5 жыл бұрын
@@nulano He's old. When your hearing starts to go, you often tend to yell. (Judging by his statement, and how he's standing behind, tugging on Stewart, I assume he's old.)
@RyanVasquez60895 жыл бұрын
😂😂🤪
@hectorandem29445 жыл бұрын
He's... _he's not wrong_ 🤔
@cuteswan5 жыл бұрын
This was a lot of fun, even with my limited knowledge. It just needs one more row for how misleading the sales literature for each is. ;) Anyway, I hope you're feeling much better soon. Thanks.
@randynovick79725 жыл бұрын
I don't have a need for a lot of these features, but this was very cool to watch. Your videos helped me pick both my analog and my digital scopes (measly 2-channel affairs) and I'm glad to see you're still keeping an eye on what's around.
@StreuB15 жыл бұрын
So much for going to bed early tonight!
@ralphk34365 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up everyone, as I seem to see a lot of comments about how expensive these scopes are... these scopes are intended to be used by people that do electronics for a living working for a company or in a lab. These are not intended to be affordable for a hobbyist/individual.
@NETBotic5 жыл бұрын
*looks around and cries*
@Joetechlincolns5 жыл бұрын
Yep, My brother is a field engineer/ technical salesman, for Keysight. I've seen equipment in his living room worth over 100K.
@examplerkey4 жыл бұрын
@@Joetechlincolns I've seen a circuit board used in telecom that's worth over 120K!
@Joetechlincolns4 жыл бұрын
@@examplerkey . I believe it!
@cac22445 жыл бұрын
Dave's voice is so funny...he can barely hold it...he is one sneeze away from losing it. What a trooper!
@JAKOB19773 жыл бұрын
Great spec shootout.+1 more of these. gives a good overview of the relative high-end consumer line. you even found pictures showing what the different features do, 31:40 I can not emphasize how much I value that you do that. Very good video, thx
@JAKOB19773 жыл бұрын
Even my budget unit to like 400bucks 100/1Gs. are on some of these specs holding its own //i.imgur.com/uDF7Nj9.jpg 95 to 100.000 capture rate.(own testing not referring to spec so it's very likely I'm doing something wrong) i.imgur.com/fqhbhUQ.mp4 29Mb depth. HDMI out. 256 levels of grading. same with color correction/heatmap. + all this extra jazz with logic signals also included. /UART, LIN, CAN, SPI, I2C though not sure about these 429 & 1553B. i.imgur.com/SmZWoi2.jpg i.imgur.com/OJdFqHG.jpg i.imgur.com/AwssZqG.jpg One thing, IM starting to use more and more is the mouse i.imgur.com/6T4hTjM.jpg as it makes the maneuvering fast and in lack of a bench, really do like that I can have most of it in a bag..i.imgur.com/f7zLdLO.jpg i.imgur.com/0bt36CS.jpg the 4 scope probes, 2x low-current-clamps,. (100k 60A ETCR 45US and a 20k 65A Hantek 35US) plus all the cables to charge it and one of these AC in between devices where you can cramp around or use the small wholes to take voltage.(the red unit with adapters) sadly no EU variant at these low china prices 8US i.imgur.com/tJj8QTA.jpg The portability makes it ideal for a newcomer that is learning and wanna take it around to all parts of one's daily life to see the different aspects of electronic gear and easily put it in the closet when done and the 420 nits brightness makes it useable outside.,. Though I don't know how many points the FFT actually have.. in FFT math mode the highest K-point it will show is 88k, but if that is the FFT value, I don't know. Here at 70k with an FY6900/60Mhz DDS i.imgur.com/i5Kh1OU.mp4 I personally really like the color-corrected intensity heatmap and with 256grading looks wicked, here with Runcam2 FPV out while fumbling infront of the sensor..kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIPPeWSQiLWEoc0 n00b in motion kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6qVf6mrj7qMjs0
@kanetw_5 жыл бұрын
I believe the R&S has gated FFT too.
@MiniLuv-19845 жыл бұрын
Oooh, Dave - the prices are five digits....for one extra digit of bandwidth, we pay an extra two digits of folding stuff. Might have to wait until they start slugging it out between them...
@Car_Ram_Rod5 жыл бұрын
I don't need one, but now I want one!
@ahmedalshalchi5 жыл бұрын
Car Ram Rod ... This means that Dave did good marketing job and deserves a commission .
@simontay48515 жыл бұрын
But can't afford one.
@ahmedalshalchi5 жыл бұрын
Simon Tay .... You buy one if you just asked your miser boss to lend you some money for it.
@EfieldHfield_3775 жыл бұрын
I went to school on HP and Tek scopes. I've been a Tek fan boy for decades but when I had to upgrade my personal scope (Tek TDS744 and Tek TDS220) after a long search I went with the 350 MHz Rigol 4000 4+16. By value the Tek wasn't even close. Tek needs to recognize the market has changed and for them to win they need to refocus on value and that means dropping the price big time. Oddly enough for the company I worked for I speced the Tek 4000 and didn't think twice about it and still think it was the right choice but when spending my own money I purchased the Rigol and the Siglent was in second place. I have no guilt either way but I'm wondering what that really said about me.
@examplerkey4 жыл бұрын
I heard that Tek has reduced their scope prices heavily to stay competitive with the Chinese ones. 5 years ago, they could barely make a smart phone, but now they're making everything relatively cheap and the quality sometimes surpasses expectation.
@NewLevelAuto5 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave! If I were to purchase a scope for you to test , where or how could I send it to you for a review ? In the automotive field we are always looking for an affordable oscilloscope capable of displaying 4 channels with a decent recording buffer. Pico 4425 is becoming the industry standard , but it lays just out of the reach of many techs out there due to cost. 2 channels are great for a beginner in the field and I've had my eyes on one to use for teaching purposes . I'd love to have you go over it before I do so. Cheers and thanks for reading
@aneeshprasobhan5 жыл бұрын
what about the hantek ones ?
@anonimuso5 жыл бұрын
I am Dave's representative. Send it to me at my house. I'll make sure Dave get's it. You can trust me because I have an honest face, see ----> :)
@grythumn5 жыл бұрын
His official review policy www.eevblog.com/reviews/
@MateuszJagocha5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave! Have you ever used Yokogawa scopes? We had old one in work, it had printer inside, and nice dimensions. Ive recently looked their scopes and it looks that they continue to make similar scopes. Maybe you could get your hands on one of theese and show us in video
@ahappycoder29255 жыл бұрын
I will never abandon you my dear SDS1104
@ahmedalshalchi5 жыл бұрын
Faithful and sincere person....
@tooobular5 жыл бұрын
Asterix: Obelix’s mate; asterisk: one of these *
@kevincozens68375 жыл бұрын
The scopes are still out of my price range. Nice that the Siglent includes serial decode. That option is over $1k for the LeCroy and well over $2k on three of the other scopes! What the ...?!! On the Rigol it is only a couple hundred or so if you had to pay for it. Those companies charging that much to enable some of the features available in the scope is insane.
@mdbssn5 жыл бұрын
I think the Tek MDO with the spectrum analyzer input supports time gating - I think time correlation of that channel was sort of the advertising point of the original MSO3000 series, and I seem to remember Shariar showing it used in his review of one of those (maybe the MSO4000 series?)
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
Come to think of it, I think you are right.
@Gengh135 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but I believe only on the 4000, on the 3000 you could have scope or spectrum analyzer mode, not both at the same time.
@markusreichel38965 жыл бұрын
But do have the Lecroy any advantage? Because Lecroys are the absolute standard in all german research groups I ever joined and I wonder why...
@ghlscitel67145 жыл бұрын
There were articles in the electronic news magazines that Rigol has developed a chipset for 1 Gig Scopes.
@gastonmelo64735 жыл бұрын
what about a video comparing the oscilloscpes but under 500 dollars?
@Basement-Science5 жыл бұрын
Now THAT would be interesting! There are quite a few models these days.
@h82fail5 жыл бұрын
I was just searching his channel for that and started watching this because it didn't exist. So surprised he still doesn't have a budget oscilloscope shootout, please David!
@RAndrewNeal3 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if 1GHz scopes were in that range. Lol Gotta keep scouring Ebay for a good deal. (Edit: spelling)
@CoolMusicToMyEars5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, enjoy your video's, to think in the old days, Tektronix 7000 series from the 1970's with a sample head plug in was fast analogue scope, a few years ago we thought 500MHz was fast !, now it's not due to the very fast digital side, but from USA got a LeCroy LC574AM 1GHz scope for around £500, with printer ! My very first scope new was a HAMEG 20MHz scope, that was mainly used for Audio & Video repairs,
@10100rsn5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think that some company out there has a super complicated and expensive scope line that they would name the RTFM series just for the lol.
@shazam62745 жыл бұрын
So I just read a Keysight 2 part sales document from December 7, 2016 which compares their Infinium "S" Series (DSOS xxxx/ MSOSxxxx) to the R&S RTO2000 . Lots of interesting things in there, including a table listing bandwidth and price of 4 ch scopes from 500 MHz to 8 GHz for both brands. In Part 2, under the Table is this: "Additionally, the S-Series is easy to upgrade. Keysight offers bandwidth upgrades, memory upgrades, and MSO upgrades in software which means there is little to no downtime with your S-Series oscilloscope" and at the conclusion is this "S-Series is an oscilloscope will meet your measurement needs for years to come You can start with a 500 MHz scope and upgrade bandwidth and capabilities as needed, all through software" The shocker is that the whole Keysight "S" line IS BANDWIDTH SOFTWARE UPGRADEABLE! This means that the $17,709 500 MHz scope can be upgraded to the $68,813 8 GHz scope via software! In other words, all scopes in the "S" series are all 8 GHz, 800 Mpts Memory hardware! One can simply upgrade any "S" scope to higher bandwidth / memory by yourself by sending some (a lot) of money. If they are not loosing money on the 500 MHz scopes at $17,709, then they are making a ton on the $68,813 8 GHz models! Sources: community.keysight.com/community/keysight-blogs/oscilloscopes/blog/2016/11/16/keysight-s-series-oscilloscopes-vs-the-rto2000-part-1 community.keysight.com/community/keysight-blogs/oscilloscopes/blog/2016/12/07/keysight-s-series-oscilloscopes-vs-the-rto2000-part-2
@avejst5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic summary Thanks for sharing 👍😀
@BMRStudio5 жыл бұрын
Sorry for being stupid, but Siglent has hardware based FFT in their lower models?
@redtails5 жыл бұрын
12:40 you have to keep in mind that screen resolution above the bitrate makes no difference to the way the waveform looks like. 8 bit is only 256 levels, so unless you're pulling off mathematic tricks, any vertical resolution greater than 256 does not make the waveform look any better
@johnyang7994 жыл бұрын
Not accurate. 1, There is a thing called oversampling. 2, There is a thing called interpolation. 3, It's not just the waveform it's the experience of having larger sharper display not only for the waveform but also for the text and FFT etc.
@EszesBalazs5 жыл бұрын
Siglent is offering the same external USB wavegen that they released with the 1000X series, and those ones have bode plotting so I'm sure it's coming eventually. Also their separate wavegens like the SDG1062X provide the same bode plotting functionality, all you have to do is connect them via USB.
@TignMeg5 жыл бұрын
I'm just off to get my magnifying glass so I can read that spreadsheet.... Sheeesh😬
@udhayakumara40335 жыл бұрын
I got what I've asked. What about Tek Encore. They have listed 5 series scopes in website including price. Is it worth to get one.
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
Didn't know about their refurbished store. If it suits your needs, no need to to buy new.
@udhayakumara40335 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog www.tek.com/encore Not only scopes but all the instruments directly from Tek.
@Bubu5673 жыл бұрын
I understand how 10 bit is better, especially if you need to really zoom into those small signals, but how much better is it, in practice, compared to 8-bit.
@diejecos48124 жыл бұрын
Update: Siglent now supports Power Analysis as an optional feature (10.09.2019)
@joelw7815 жыл бұрын
Specs like update rate can be misleading. in default mode (no measurements, no MSO, shallow memory), Keysight is at the 1Mwf/s, Tek 4 Series is closer to a couple hundred wf/s, and R&S is at 64Kwf/s. The only way you can the faster update rate on Tek is to do into a special mode (either DPX, or peak detect).
@joelw7815 жыл бұрын
Dave - thanks for covering this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ3OpZakmNBgq80
@electronic79795 жыл бұрын
Very good item
@JAKOB19772 жыл бұрын
what about greyscale levels for that analog like feel.. how many levels are these high end scopes operating with?
@platin21485 жыл бұрын
Ahh we do have the KEYSIGHT one really nice but a little problem with negative periods which makes it quite bad. The MSO-X 4034A
@joopterwijn5 жыл бұрын
Time for a Hugh opensource project on the Eevblog, make a highend mso!🤪
@Arek_R.5 жыл бұрын
Yeah and it would have perfromance of a $1000 scope for $10000, also would took 50 years of Dave's life to design it, usually those are designed by huge engineering teams...
@colormaker50705 жыл бұрын
We use a HP54645D, We use the digital channels 95% of the time. Can you suggest a scope like the HP with seriel data decoder? it would be nice not to have to measure each pulse to determine 8 bit data value.
@iamdarkyoshi5 жыл бұрын
The tek scopes with their 1080p screens both have sizes commonly used on laptops. I'd bet money they've got an off the shelf 50$ eDP IPS LCD screen used in laptops
@vgamesx15 жыл бұрын
Well no matter where they came from, personally I think it's a bit ridiculous that the other scopes which cost $10k-$15k don't also come with a 1080p screen in 2019.
@Rx7man5 жыл бұрын
Prices from 4-12K... I don't think this video is going to help me much
@tomgoss67553 жыл бұрын
Dave, the Siglent does have a power analysis option.
@researchandbuild17515 жыл бұрын
Do these scopes also have 1ghz spectrum analysis built in?
@kpn50003 жыл бұрын
i just want to know what the best value scope for a hobbyist is, please. thank you.
@tommihommi15 жыл бұрын
R&S has some QC problems with the RTM3000 series, we've had knobs fall of on multiple scopes in our lab. Not the build quality you'd expect from them The R&S does FFT fairly well, though, and I think it supports gated FFT
@ahmedalshalchi5 жыл бұрын
Dave ... RIGOL has 1GHz model long ago already which is DS6000 series.
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
Yep, forgot about that
@helmuthschultes92435 жыл бұрын
Trace update rate is best compared by the deadtime between traces. Typ 100kwave/sec means 9 us dead .At 10kwave/s dead= 90us
@muctop175 жыл бұрын
How do you tap a 1GHz Signal without impedance mismatch? If there is no koax connection
@KeysightLabs5 жыл бұрын
At 1 GHz, you're almost always using active probes that have minimal loading characteristics. On top of that, it's very common to use 50 ohm mode instead of high impedance mode. In the 750 MHz to 1 GHz range and above, you almost have to switch over to 50 ohm mode to get decent measurements.
@rohitkhanna44875 жыл бұрын
Wonder who needs these high spec scopes these days. Manufacturing industry in general has shrunk and research/university here in UK dont seem to have much use for these.
@examplerkey4 жыл бұрын
You're right. Repair shops don't need them. Universities will only buy basic 100MHz ones. You can count on your fingers and toes how many researchers would buy. Only a few serious debuggers out there who might buy. So yeah if the scope is $£100k that means there's probably only about 10 people who are buying it in the whole world!
@walkabout165 жыл бұрын
Dave how about instructional videos on day to day building, repair and diagnosis using your oscilloscopes.
@robbyxp15 жыл бұрын
How does Dave breath?
@yomamsie44385 жыл бұрын
I love my lecroy lc574. Mainly due to the thermal printer. Sample memory depth leaves much to be desired... Womp womp
@AIexanderHartdegen5 жыл бұрын
many people doesn't even use the 1 mhz on their scope... That's ridiculous.
@michi99555 жыл бұрын
Tell that to any RF or EMC engineer for example
@AIexanderHartdegen5 жыл бұрын
you mean all hobbyist and subscribers of this channel are? The people you mentionned don't need to see video from this channel to care about gigahertz scope.
@platin21482 жыл бұрын
Will there be a new one of these?
@g1ld3 жыл бұрын
Do people who work with electronics tend to be rich? No idea how those high prices are justified. Considering buying as first oscilloscope a siglent 200MHz for ~700£ or AD2
@mikehors73515 жыл бұрын
Nice
@marcdavis75835 жыл бұрын
Isn't there a really good excel sheet on scope features & performance by one of the posters on eevBlog already? (Japanese, I think).
@BarriosGroupie5 жыл бұрын
This video needs to go viral -- what a fantastic idea!
@chrishamilton86555 жыл бұрын
Correction: The TEK 4 will have 8-ch digital probes options that connect via the analog probe channel inputs.
@Bedin9965 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, it looks like the RTB3000 does have gated FFT. take a look here (scdn.rohde-schwarz.com/ur/pws/dl_downloads/dl_common_library/dl_brochures_and_datasheets/pdf_1/RTM3000_dat-sw_en_5214-9144-22_v0800.pdf) page 10 under section FFT, on the setup parameter row of the table. The last line says "gate (time range and position)" (Also, I find it hard to believe that it does not have it because I work with the lower end RTB2004 that can do gated FFT, so I see no reason why the higher end model shouldn't have it)
@JFirn86Q5 жыл бұрын
"G'Day, Looks Like You're in Australia?" -eBay .... lol...
@galileo_rs5 жыл бұрын
Imagine if you bought a car and the aircon and the entertainment system do not work unless you buy the software "upgrade".
@kalhana_photography5 жыл бұрын
"Rigol is not in the 1GHz scope market". Well they had the DS6104 for quite a while...
@Vermilicious5 жыл бұрын
Oscilloscope madness. I haven't used one since school, and that was an analogue one. I'm clueless.
@chialor19453 жыл бұрын
What's the uncertainty measuring a 800ps pulse? Lol
@ovalwingnut5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the brain-food. I was starving.
@vencibushy5 жыл бұрын
The Lecroy is like... you know... It's there...
@basspig3 жыл бұрын
Why do all these scopes have display tech right out if 1990? Vga xga are 30 year old standards! At this price point, every scope should have a 300ppi OLED display.
@icinosehacker5 жыл бұрын
how about picoscope?
@Narwaro5 жыл бұрын
Im in the unfortunate situation to compliance test a PCIe 2.0 device I built. RIP wallet - killed by 5 gig scope.
@coldfinger459sub05 жыл бұрын
I will have to wait 15 to 30 years until they fall down to my price bracket and buy them on eBay. But by that time brand new 1 GHz scopes will probably be $399 Regel entry level or Chinese knock off 1 gigahertz from Banggood for $299. In 15 years
@Atetus945 жыл бұрын
I would like to see Rigol 1054Z vs Some Rigol 5000
@helmuthschultes92435 жыл бұрын
Only at slow trace speeds it becomes less critical on dead time but diagnostics the deadtime is percent of realtime view lost
@slip0n0fall5 жыл бұрын
Wish there was a hack for the 3000T, I'd dump my DSOX 2000 for even the minor upgrade
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
I think there is, on the EEVblog forum
@KeysightLabs5 жыл бұрын
If you do some digging I've seen some very impressive mods
@sandeeptech85 жыл бұрын
Hello, can do explain/teardown working of a weed vape like firefly or pax?
@kensmith56945 жыл бұрын
I really-really-really hate touch screen. Give me buttons.
@electronicsandradio39455 жыл бұрын
10k for 30 day warranty?.. no thanks.
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
So you'd rather pay $20k? These scopes usually last for decades, and even if something went wrong with it you could buy another one in a few years and likely still be ahead, or get it repaired and be way ahead.
@tommihommi15 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the EU, mandatory 2 year warranty
@electronicsandradio39455 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog The repair cost for a 10K scope is likely to be several thousand. Not a pleasant surprise, if they are so sure then why only offer such a short warranty. Buy one at 10k.. then buy another at 10k .. no thanks. It's all very well having highly expensive test equipment at bargain prices, but these days they are not repairable on a DIY basis. It's a risk that's ok for bigger companies to take, but for hobbyists or sole traders.. it's a big gamble. You're not talking from the perspective of a sole trader who has to buy their scopes with their own cash.
@ToBeDefined855 жыл бұрын
@@tommihommi1 2 years is for new things only, refurbished / used products can be sold with 1 year warranty only
@MickDownUnder5 жыл бұрын
LMAO @ 11:28 "The width of a fag paper"
@bestamerica5 жыл бұрын
' what brand of oscilloscope american own made... or none
@sanityd15 жыл бұрын
Your blind patriotism conflicts with your awful grammar.
@examplerkey4 жыл бұрын
@@extide Keysight was HP.
@petesclark5 жыл бұрын
48:45 too long.
@chimanbangali47355 жыл бұрын
Tektronix makes good scopes
@Damaniel35 жыл бұрын
Agreed. (I work at Tek though and did a lot of work on the 4 series, so I might be a bit biased...)
@chimanbangali47355 жыл бұрын
@@Damaniel3 I met lots of EE and all trust tek for scope and keysight for specAns
@MrAwyork5 жыл бұрын
Giveaways? :)
@peterandersen46765 жыл бұрын
Dave: what have you done with the sound? have you changed the speed of the video? it sounds pitched... terrible to listen to.
@ViktorEviltronics5 жыл бұрын
Of course, we all have somewhere there is an extra million dollars somewhere behind the sink ... to buy these animals
@nonsuch5 жыл бұрын
Who can afford any of those new :/
@examplerkey4 жыл бұрын
Probably nobody commenting here :)
@whoisntwhoisit21263 жыл бұрын
If you cant display the price, your company does not deserve the sale imho, fuck companies that sell for different prices to different people ect, put a price on it and list it, just the asshole companies do not, so just don't buy/support them.
@BruceNitroxpro4 жыл бұрын
Please show the finest in English (don't cop out and say you're from Australia!) by improving your spoken word. Example... it is "among," not "between" items numbering greater than two.
@johndrachenberg22545 жыл бұрын
Your Excel formatting skills leave much to be desired... haven't you heard of aligning? :/ Also it's very easy to use conditional formatting to easily compare numbers using different colors - select a row and hover over a Conditional Formatting option to preview its effect. Get well!
@mfanto15 жыл бұрын
Moving to bitchute sorry
@EEVblog5 жыл бұрын
Luckily I'm on Bitchute
@Hellenios5 жыл бұрын
10k for a scope? Crazy! People in 3rd world can live decades for that money... Its time for some open hardware alternative to this rubbish. Will be nice if a few universities connects together and develop something afordable like what happened with Arduino... In software we did it and Linux is now more than competitive to comercial solutions so why not repeat it also with hardware...
@CullenLorsung425 жыл бұрын
wat
@darer135 жыл бұрын
For one thing scopes are a time investment. Just imagine something Like a car, sure its a lot of money but you are not planning to get another one in, say, at least 4 years! The companies that make these scopes I.e. design/building have a their own employees to pay as well. And if the job market for these engineers is 100k a year, then your product should be pretty darn expensive. There are a lot of different angles to look at to understand why these scopes are so expensive.
@Hellenios5 жыл бұрын
@@Okurka. No, abote car for 20k I will not even think but house is something another. I will have no problem with it. It will stay there even for next generations but some peace of electronics which has BOM +- 2k max and has performance matching 20 years old stuff (I know it is better but not so much...) and after five years will have value 2k at most? No!
@Hellenios5 жыл бұрын
@@darer13 Why you should buy a new one in just a 4 years? Becouse the manufacturer will give you fullHD screen in time of 4K res? Or add a few MB more for samples than pc has allready tens of GB? Its time to say F**k off...
@marcdavis75835 жыл бұрын
Lots of companies make cheap scopes with limited performance. But for the 1GHz market, pretty much everything has to be custom designed, so only the largest manufacturers can afford to do that. You're no longer dealing with standard signal design but some RF and serious signal integrity issues which cost time and millions $ to resolve properly - and you have to buy the test equipment and simulation software to get it to work. The cost of designing an ASIC for a scope here can be in the order of $10M - some smaller chips may be less but it takes time and experience (highly paid engineers). So if the company sells 100,000 units, that's still $100 NRE plus the cost of low-volume silicon manufacture which could be another $100. Several ASICs and the big FPGAs in each and you're easily spending $400 on silicon alone in each scope. RF attenuators, highly sophisticated amplifiers, custom DACs and trigger circuits all add up. The firmware code is typically 50MB - 100MB, that's a lot of software engineering plus constant bug fixes. So the BoM of standard parts might be less than $1k for sure, but the total cost of designing the product might be as much as $50M, hence there is utilization of the technology over many product models which sell for maybe 10 years - so the amortised NRE that you have to add to the BoM cost is $500 - $1k+ per unit (so long as they sell many 10,000 units in the lifetime of the product). The manufacturer has to make a profit, they typically have a reseller or distributor who makes a margin, the models vary in price from the low-bandwidth ($2k) and low-cost to the higher bandwidth ($10k). It's only the higher bandwidth models where they actually make their money - if they only sold 100MHz-200MHz models then these would have to be a much higher price. Check the financials of these big test companies, their bottom line nett profit tends to be in the single digits (