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[@roflchopter11]

Was an intern for Lexmark (who made Dell printers for at least a while). The drums are charged up with a roller, discharged to ground by the laser, then pick up toner electrostatically where still charged. The toner is then transferred electrostatically to the plastic transfer belt, which is later transferred to the paper electrostatically. They use the belt so the colors register with one another; that can't be done well enough by transferring each color to paper independently. Getting the belt to track well on the rollers is quite complicated, and I believe was done mechanically with linkages and springs to steer it passively Voltages are on the order of 0.8-3kV. The process is very sensitive to environmental conditions (humidity, etc) and paper type. The engineering effort is tremendous. There is probably an output paperpath team. I sat in on some meetings where they were doing explicit dynamic FEA (very computation intensive) of the transfer belt because of some issues they were having that required an extremely good model of friction. I collected some data to validate photoconductivity FEA models (among other things). People maintain tables of the circumference of all of the rollers so if they have a periodic print defect, you can trace back which roller it's coming from.

[@robertengland8285]

Lexmark supplied Dell with mono printers. Xerox supplied Dell with colour printers. Not sure if that is still the situation.

[@kb1qzh]

@@robertengland8285 I was going to say that kinda looks like a Xerox from how the toner / drums look

[@EyeMWing]

Have definitely seen some ultra-high-end production laser presses that don't do the transfer roll dance and do actually deposit the 4 (or more, because spot color toners and MICR and shit) colors independently. IIRC each color even has a separate fuser. Only time I saw it cause trouble with color registration was when we were printing on a plastic substrate that thermally expanded with each fuser pass. But those cost house (or office building) money. And don't fit in dumpsters. Sometimes not even roll-offs.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

@@robertengland8285 As a Dell warranty vendor, last I heard, Dell was getting out of the printer business and instead selling printers from various brands bundled in online after the sale. I think Dell officially quit all imagining product sales in 2018. And YES that is a Xerox OEM. And as of today, Lexmark also used Xerox as an a3(11x17) OEM.

[@Distinctly.Average]

Loved the “that’s just a roller that rolls” comment in the video. That is a high voltage transfer roller and probably the cause of all the lines on the prints. The light pipe is an erase lamp to help clear the latent image from the drums. Liked this video. Reminds me of days when I used to have to train engineers on servicing these. I was a trainer for Lexmark, Xerox, HP, Canon and Epson in the past, as well as IBM, Fujitsu, Ricoh and Hitachi huge high speed printers that connect to mainframes. Amazing really that from the smallest printer up to the 2000+ feet per minute continuous machines the tech, fused aside, was essentially the same.

[@mgm5457]

I started working on these back in 1981 ... I'm studied electronics tech in college ( EET ) shortly after returning from Sydney, Australia (2 years LDS Mission) I answered a help wanted ad and have doing it ever since. Started my own copier printer business 28 years ago and am pretty much retired now. I started with black and white liquid toned copiers, then went on to dry toned machines, then machines with Document feeders and sorters, then came Fax machines ... Roll coated paper, then plain paper, then scanning. as technology moved forward ... the amount and size of parts shrank, motors were driven both directions and one way clutches enabled one motor to have 2 functions, magnetic clutches and one way clutches brought down the part count ... the electronic complexity increased exponentially. Customers used to use a Copier, a Fax Machine, a Printer, and a Scanner ... then someone thought to combine them all into one unit !! the only problem with that was that a simple paper jam brought the whole office down. It's been an interesting career and I've always said that someday I'll write a book about it !! As a side note ... many of these machines aren't even made by the people whose name is on the front ... same goes for most consumer electronics. The parts are sourced from all over the world and parts from one machine sometimes were the same as another machine, ex: Canon built HP printers, Lexmark used to be Toshiba, Dell was made by Lexmark. who got the machine from Toshiba ... Savin, Gestetner, Nashuatec are all built by Ricoh. Xerox hasn't built anything for years, they have put their name on machines from Sharp, Toshiba and Samsung ... As I hear it in the industry, HP bought Samsung's printer business, Xerox has tried to buy HP ....... the reason toner is expensive is because of the chip that the manufactures put on the cartridge, trying to keep you from using third part Ink / Toner ... HP used the same black toner from the old HP2's for many. many years ! ( It's been an interesting ride ) I get a kick out of how excited you get over an old copier or printer ... I watch a lot of your videos ... interesting to see what makes something work ... everything we use today started out with a copier that relied on a big motor, chains, gears, relays, micro switches, Heat lamps and Semi-conductive image drums. Keep up the good work ... enjoy your videos !! Mike

[@mikeyjohnson5888]

Worked for Samsung, can confirm the printer line was sold to HP

[@gazgano]

My Journey in that game was started in 1989. You did very well, I appear to have been going in reverse in comparison. Well done though 😀

[@electronicsNmore]

The people that design highly complex machines like that, are geniuses.

[@HassanDibani]

I always found it funny that people get so impressed seeing a 3d printer work, while it only has 3 stepper motors and a heated extruder in it. At the same time, these people own laser printers themselves and are mostly pissed at how crappy their printers are.

[@SeanBZA]

Laser printers hide the complexity, and are so good that people forget exactly how complex it actually is, till it has an issue. If somebody made a transparent case laser to show how it all goes together (hard, seeing just how many parts of the process are light sensitive, and how many optical sensors there are in there) you would be impressed. Then show them the operation of an offset printer, where it is all out in the open and is all "no touchee or losie fingery" and they think that is complex. Digital plate printer is 1000 times as complex, but is all covered, and costs $30 million, but you only press a few buttons and it does it all by itself. It does not look as impressive, even if it covers 30m of floor and is 5m wide. Roll in one side, finished sheets out the other side. Visited our one printer, and got the tour. Hearing protection not optional.

[@Kabodanki]

despite the simplicity, some 3D printer companies find a way to screw i

[@piratetv1]

That was me when i heard about 3d printers. Then i saw one. " oh its a cnc machine with a glue gun on it"

[@weilawei]

Printers are just a special level of Hell all by themselves without even adding a 3rd dimension.

[@ciarfah]

Jon If you intentionally cut off the end of this comment, well played

[@SeanBZA]

High voltage board salvage the high voltage resistors out of there, as they are useful to build a DIY high voltage probe, using the 2kv rated resistors.

[@EEVblog]

Yep, good idea, I've done a video on HV probe design with Doug Ford

[@CliveChamberlain946]

@@EEVblog Is there enough to do a low cost 100-to-1, 1KV at 500khz? Nice idea for a cheap SMPS probe vid.. (safety of course with some disclaimers..)

[@StreuB1]

@@EEVblog Great video idea indeed. Is there a chance to do something like this? Obv with disclaimers as stated. A simple HV probe setup for the home user would be petty nifty. Obviously not a replacement (or could be?) for a proper set like the EEVblog set.

[@SeanBZA]

@@CliveChamberlain946 Depends on the printer, but with a colour laser you will have at least 6 different HV sources in the unit, a regular mono laser 3, as one for the drum, one for the transfer roller and one for the pre charge on the drum. You will need to look for the AC pre transfer to see the capacitor value they use for compensation, as that is the only one that is AC signal, the rest are all DC. Only one without a big ceramic capacitor though, and generally a separate black potted unit.

[@network_king]

I got one of those boards from a laser printer and laser figured be cool project parts.

[@RyanUptonInnovator]

Output paper path guy is not happy you called him a team.

[@piratetv1]

He should be. He does a whole team's work on his own and it shows

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

He eats enough Twinkies for a team!

[@peterk1821]

I remember the first laser printer I ripped apart for the stepper motor parts, that was when I was first getting into tinkering with electronics! Now I have a closet full of them.... and I had to get shelves to hold all the small form-factor PCs... I can stop anytime I want though!

[@PrinceWesterburg]

I'm the same with valves, a... a friend tells me

[@Fruitcupper]

I'm a wood, metal, scrap and brass collector of 7 + years. My mum and grandpa collected. Now I only have 2 square metres left in my bedroom. I need a skip bin for my next birthday.

[@glenslick2774]

The mechanical parts were designed by Cogswell Cogs, in competition with Spacely Sprockets.

[@jlucasound]

And driven by Flintstone Firmware.

[@raym909]

I was a repair guy on the Dell 5100CN printers. and i still use one, those toner cartridges, i got about 30 news ones. those printers will print edge to edge on both sides at about 2 seconds per page. to bad you trashed it, a clean up and those lines would have gone away.

[@EEVblog]

Yeah, but sacrificed for the greater good.

[@stuartwilson4960]

I found it very interesting and doubt that once you have seen inside the laser scanning mechanism you could get it all back together without spending more than a month! Yeah it wasn't really trashed, have you seen some channels where they literally take a baseball bat to new gear just for views? Companies, retail or whatever regularly chuck gear when their leases expire or auction it off, keep your eyes open for an opportunity of a business shutting up shop and I am sure you will be able to get a free laser printer.

[@JetGyrotech]

@@EEVblog DAVE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FIX ANYTHING---HE ONLY DESTROYS.

[@lost4468yt]

Why did the main board have a SATA connector?

[@tmichiels]

LeviHB caching on hdds. Seen this on big HP printers too.

[@Rob2]

The disadvantage of parting out such a thing is that you are left with 5 times as much trash as you started with! You get the couple of parts that are interesting and put them in the parts boxes but now you have a car trunk full of trash to haul away to the recycling center :-(

[@StreuB1]

22:28 those gears with the helical ramps; the ramps are slipper clutches. Since steppers are known for producing large amounts of torque, you need a passive means of torque limiting so they don't strip the gears if there is a jam. There is likely springs that push on one side of the gears to provide preload on the helix and give the right amount of overload tension. The helix angle will match the helical gear angle so it cams out at the same gear timing angle so there is no advance or retard as it cams out.

[@benbaselet2026]

This is why youtube comments are still worth wading through :-)

[@KallePihlajasaari]

The angle would not be the same if you want to use it as an overload clutch as there would be opposing force that kept it in place. However the ramp angle is very shallow so it will climb that against any kind of helix angle. The timing will suffer but I think this may have been to drive the toner fill or recovery augers so timing does not matter. The printer would detect the slip in some way and decide the auger was stuck due to toner recovery bin too full or if it stirred first one way against the shoulder to mix the supply and then turned against the ramp to level and detect the toner. The designers have a whole book of sneaky tricks that they use to do two functions with one part or sensor.

[@pointofthejourney]

I was thinking the were there to allow for manual clearing of paper jams, enabling the output path rollers to turn independent of the drive motor / gearing.

[@randomelectronicsanddispla1765]

I think that in this case, they are simply one way clutches, to allow paper jam clearing by pulling it out in the forward direction.

[@davidjwillems]

I like how you put the blue tarp out like you're dismembering a body.

[@vladimir7838]

The blue tarp is for bodies.. He does that off camera of course XD

[@SeanBZA]

@@vladimir7838 Blue tarp because the toners go all over. Absolute murder to get out of carpet, and as he is renting this area he does not want that charge at end of lease in 3 months. Black is easy to hide, you just do 3 passes with a wet extractor and cold water, with first carpet cleaning detergent, second liquid fabric softener and third with plain water, and it will be almost totally gone from sight. the colours though will still be visible, as they stand out from the dirt. If you still see black in the third pass do the cycle again, but in general when you do the rinse the water will be pale brown.

[@benbaselet2026]

@@vladimir7838 No no, the red one is for bodies. Blue for printers.

[@liebherr11602]

And then goes barefoot

[@troemich]

@@liebherr11602 He doesn't want to get his shoes full of toner/blood.

[@Satelitko]

These are stellar for fabricators, too, not only electronics people. Especially the multitude of high quality shafts, those things are priceless.

[@paulp2089]

FYI on cleaning all that horrid toner powder off your hands - use cold water and lots of soap. Hot water will start the setting process and make it harder to clean off :-)

[@the_arcanum]

Honestly, I'd have used a few cents pair of nitrile gloves before taking everything apart just to avoid the hassle :)

[@Allan-mf1he]

Your water will have to be hotter that 100 deg C. Fuser surfaces runs between 150 an 200 deg C. Does not stop that fine powder from getting trapped in the clothing fiber. If you ever get a toner spill on the floor use a dry cloth or paper towels. a 3M toner vac would be the right thing. You need some real nasty chemicals to desolve it like paint thinners Always wear black...

[@paulp2089]

@@Allan-mf1he Hi Allan. I'm just passing on words of wisdom from an old HP copier tech. He told me that hot water wont set the toner, but it makes it harder to remove. Still prefer Gnomish's suggestion of avoiding it at the start.

[@Allan-mf1he]

@@paulp2089 True avoiding it would be best. Toner over the years also changed quite a bit, its much safer and polymerized vs pulverized making the particles smoother and more uniform in size. Lots of technology going into toner. There is no getting around toner for me working on production machines i look like a miner at the end of the day:).

[@alangunn7254]

Take care if you have to vacuum up a big toner spill. The powder has an electrostatic charge to allow it to be picked up by the high voltages. if you suck it up in a vac with a metal nozzle you can make inch-long sparks, normally to your nose when you are looking in the machine. Its the kind of experience you remember. ;-)

[@3dlabs99]

"Whats worse than a paper jam?" "Falling off a cliff" "Being sucked into a black hole" Cant argue with that :)

[@urugulu1656]

especially from a what 5y/o?

[@yetanotherbloke]

If you're the guy who's tasked with unjamming said printer being sucked into a black hole can be synonymous with said task.

[@pedifer1999]

That printer is from the 26th of August 2013. I would expect it to be in service for much longer than 6-7 years. Guess someone needed an upgrade

[@EEVblog]

Probably just started to play up and they didn't bother to get it fixed.

[@benbaselet2026]

They are so cheap nowadays that you just throw it out when the lines start appearing. Anything older than 5 years is going to have been written off and thus has no value left for the company beancounters.

[@Octamed]

@@benbaselet2026 This one was $2000 aud though

[@cw4608]

Cute boys, “a thousand or more”. It is incredible how much volume was stuffed into the case of that printer.

[@didndido3638]

9:57"...mold afficionados..."!!! SUBSCRIBED!!!

[@EEVblog]

I collect spores, mold, and fungi.

[@didndido3638]

@@EEVblog I thought it was a joke. The only thing I seem to collect is dust😞...and fauxpas.

[@alangunn7254]

@@EEVblog I had heard you were a fun guy but I had no idea they were referring to your mold collection. ;-)

[@ad0nd]

and the microchips don't actually monitor physical toner level, they are simply eeprom devices that register if the toner was used, and decrements the "full" to "empty" count. You'd be surprised how much toner actually remains in an "empty" cartridge.

[@charleshines6155]

My Brother HL=2140 has been really reliable too. It is only a black and white laser I must have had for more than 7 or 8 years but it has never given me any trouble, other than just ONE paper jam. I have only replaced the toner twice and one of those was that underfilled starter cartridge a lot of printers sometimes come with. It never needed a new drum and still prints like the day we first brought it home. One time I had a problem with dirty looking prints but that was easily fixed by separating the drum and toner cartridges. All I had to do was take it outside and carefully blow the loose toner out of the drum assembly. Now it prints like new again. I once had an Epson Stylus color 200 but that thing kept getting clogged nozzles and wanting new cartridges much too soon. I threw it away!! It is a shame too because it printed much better photos than some of those dedicated photo printers. I had a portable photo printer and it didn't print as sharply and nicely as the Epson did. Still though, I was tired of inkjets and threw the thing away. I never had a printer that was so unreliable. Laser printers are the way to go. Sometimes they can be very expensive but hopefully those ones will last longer than you.

[@KingNast]

I think that light pipe is a quenching lamp. It just eliminates any residual charge on the drum. The older ones used fluorescent tubes

[@RavenWolfRetroTech]

The big brown belt is the transfer belt. The image is built up on it by static from each of the 4 drums. then the foam transfer roller statically charges the paper to transfer the image to the paper. Finally the fuser melts the toner into the paper

[@95rav]

What's worse than a paper jam? A paper cut!

[@Veptis]

RGB adds up to white. CMY adds up to black. if you shine torches with filters onto a wall it shows up additive vs subtractive color easily. It's very interesting for the history of color photography and darkroom printing processes (before this ink and toner based plotters did it better and faster).

[@JNCressey]

And you can really use a colour gamaut diagram to choose any colours you want to be primary colours, as long as they span the colours you wish to produce.

[@Allan-mf1he]

Like to see it as the difference between projected and reflected light.

[@ForTheBirbs]

Mmm mmm, lots of stepper motor goodness. The engineering in these devices is amazing. I always wonder how many model iterations there are over the years using the same "guts", with cosmetic changes.

[@SeanBZA]

Quite a few, they tend to change cosmetic parts, and then after a few years change back to the older one, but with a slightly redesigned cartridge, so the old ones are no longer usable.

[@benbaselet2026]

Having looked at some of the (nowadays pretty much utter garbage) "different" models of printers HP has made over the last 15 years... too many.

[@emptech]

As a kid we would go to the dumps with a cardboard box and wire cutters, remove the resistors and capacitors from TV sets. I still have some of those parts laying around somewhere. You run out of room storing junk.

[@CaptainKenway]

These things were $1549 (US) brand new. That was ten years ago though, so I suppose the company probably got their money's worth out of it.

[@markh-de]

I saved a Dell 4C laser printer from being trashed by my company just because it refused to work with a message saying that the belt's official lifetime was exceeded (100,004 pages printed!). I was not going to accept that. Took me some studying of the really excellent service documentation (it turned out the printer was really a rebranded Xerox) to find that there were two signals going to the drum that were called SDA and SCK - without further explanation what the obvious I²C was used for. :) I then only needed to reprogram the drum's lifetime value in its EEPROM - and the printer booted up fine, and the printing quality is still amazing! These business printers are really a gem of engineering and documentation. Hats off!

[@clementclarisseclemen3d708]

@ 22:40 : nope Dave, except if it's wrote on, it's not an average DC motor but a 3-phased motor (like spinning motor from disk burner/reader or HDD) One of my engineer friends say that's accurate enough for know position (and that's why it's used in these devices) But still keep it (with the power supply board come from printer, high probability that's got +5V/+12V also)

[@asmolbean9300]

You're like the Steve Irwin of electronics it's great, you get so excited about everything

[@jameselmore4085]

I know this sounds bad or like me saying that everyone in Australia is the same but I mean it as a compliment when I say you have the same energy as Steve Erwin one of my childhood heros.

[@Masterpj555]

Had a smile when you mentioned laser art! :)

[@Rooey129]

You're the only youtube channel that could ever make anyone physically want a dumpster room

[@benbaselet2026]

You don't go to the youtubes much do you?

[@Falney]

After seeing your photocopier video ages ago, I actually brought a second hand office photocopier for £20 and I am pretty sure I got 10x that value out of it just in motors. Since it was early in my electronics days it was also a tremendous wealth of caps, resistors and wires for prototyping. Was more than worth the money I paid for it.

[@KingNast]

I was a copier repair guy back in the mid 90s.. To this day I still have parts from the copier graveyard in the warehouse! I wish I had taken more.

[@peterdkay]

Also a great source of 4mm screws (unfortunately only a few nuts). If you buy a box of 4mm nuts these screws can be used for Meccano screws.

[@mgm5457]

I’ve got a box of metric screws from tearing apart printers and copiers, being self employed and re-manufacturing for machines to sell I would buy machines wholesale and “Borg’ify” to get a good unit to sell, also had the toner stained fingers and cuticles !!! Now retired, my hands look normal except from the scars of injuries: shocked, crushed, cut, etc.

[@lukeb9385]

Friday afternoon entertainment at its finest

[@reidkeevers]

Nice blast from the past with Con the Fruiterer!

[@Petertronic]

Classic teardown! Other very useful parts are the steel shafts from the paper feed path - I remember our late friend Aussie50 tearing a copier down and finding those quite useful.

[@YTWAGNERM1]

Maybe have a video showing how to make those motors work (the scanning one for instance)? As a hobbyist that have one but with no idea how to make it spin. I would appreciate it.

[@cody5495]

I worked as a laser printer repair tech for 4 years in college.. Every day was replacing bushings, gears, and little sensors broken from paper james... fun stuff.

[@McCuneWindandSolar]

The lines you get on that stuff Dave, is dirty mirrors. When I was in the Military and a computer, Telephone tech, I had to take printers a part all the time and clean the mirror off and it was good as new.

[@fuzzybobbles]

The mirrors are useful for anyone who plays with lasers as they are good quality front surface reflecting. I have a box of bits from laser printers and old barcode scanners from work which I use bits from for laser light show projects.

[@tyaprak]

What a grandpa. An engineer and a youtuber. i wish i had a grandpa like you yet i never met my grandpas as they were long gone from this world when i arrived.

[@stevetobias4890]

That power supply was a bloody rippa mate. The motors, mirrors and lasers were a keeper also. Yet another quality tear down.

[@MikeBramm]

I love scrapping old equipment for parts. I try to keep motors and gear trains in tact. Lasers, mirrors and lenses are pretty cool too. All the screws, nuts and other hardware can come in handy as well. Nice find.

[@_____7704]

Love the Con the Fruiterer cameo

[@petersage5157]

I think I mentioned this under the dublidoo for a cash register teardown, but to me the most amazing enginerding aspect of these devices is the thermals. With a laser printer, you need to put enough heat onto the drum to hold the toner to be transferred to the paper, but dissipate all that heat before the drum is written for the next page...with a resolution of hundreds of DPI and a throughput of several pages per second. All the mechanical enginerding isn't much more impressive to me than an automobile.

[@Alasdair-Morrison]

Love the ref to Con the fruitier 28:28 Beautiful Coupla day's! Miss those old skool shows.

[@karsnoordhuis4351]

Recently been to a company that makes letter folding machines. Eventhough they are mostly made of metal, it looks similary complex. An amazing piece of engineering

[@biggiejohn3360]

that model is long discontinued, but when it was new in 2010, is started at $1500 USD for the base unit, and went up from there with multiple paper handling units,,and "finishers" ie collators, binders, etc

[@evergriven7402]

Thanks for the insight That start price isn't too bad ... ( Unless you missed a " 0 "

[@Taximilian]

Who is getting Goosebumbs too when he goes through the Laser Assembly

[@charleshines6155]

That main processor looks like a motherboard. It looks like there is a slot for memory too. I can only imagine that it take a lot of time to design such a machine. It would not be too surprising if they reused parts and designs a lot.

[@povilasstaniulis9484]

That system board is quite impressive. It's essentially an full-blown computer just to control the printing process. Sadly, it cannot be reused due to it's dedicated nature. @20:42: Is that a SATA connector on the motherboard for a hard disk ? There's also a SODIMM RAM slot, I wonder what's that used for. There's already some RAM on the board itself. That tall metal connector looks like USB, I wonder what's that for ? That "Hard Key" thing ? They're probably using the same motherboard on different printer models, that would explain the presence of unused ports an unpopulated parts.

[@MrV1NC3N7V3G4]

A printer tech, Dave is NOT lol. Nice rip-apart. 11:00 That is an anti-refill chip. Once X amount of pages have passed through, it doesn't matter how much toner is left, it will show empty. Same if you refill an empty toner cartridge. (You can buy replacement chips from China to indicate a full cartridge so you can refill them yourself)

[@EEVblog]

I won't give up my day job

[@MrV1NC3N7V3G4]

@@EEVblog I'm glad....I LOVE your day job! Keep up the great content! I love the dumpster finds!

[@W4TRI]

I worked night shift at a NOC for 17 years. Used to fill trash cans all over the office with parts I took off old printers and PCs. Kept all the steppers and steel rods. Sold em by the pound!

[@SimoWill75]

If you have a lathe, these things are full of nice machinable rod.

[@Allan-mf1he]

O yea, mostly 6, 8 and 10 mm shafts they are magnetic but does not rust. Good from making small CNC machines!

[@SimoWill75]

Yep, precision ground and accurate. Usually bang-on for dimension when I mic it. Would cost you a fortune if you needed to buy it

[@Ma_X64]

When you take apart an ordinary office monochrome printer, you think, "Damn, how many brains did it take to design such a mechanism, given the compact size, serviceability and complex shapes of the parts ?!" And then you take apart something that is 4 such printers in one.

[@fogelmclovin6815]

The complexity of this thing is insane....I have a new respect for printers

[@nigeljohnson9820]

This is where the product proves to be more than the sum of its parts.

[@pfuisi]

Good morning. Dave again :) Can't sleep so I watch EEVblog. Greetings from Austria

[@erintyres3609]

Since it is a color printer, all four colors of printing have to precisely align. If the registration is off, then the printed image would look very bad. I am also impressed with the paper handling in today's printers. This device pulls a single sheet of paper out of its drawer, then runs it though a variety of rollers and printing steps. The first computer printers used tractor feed, where sprockets went into holes on both edges of the sheets. But even with all that, manufacturers had trouble making the paper feed correctly.

[@shanesrandoms]

Sounds like you're calling a horse race when talking about the PSU towards the end. Classic Dave Teardown Excitement lol 😁

[@danielegger6460]

The correct terms are additive and subtractive colour systems. They are complementary in every respect, if you add R and B you get C, if you add G and R you get Y, if you add R and B you get M. Similarly if you substract M and C from W you get B, Y and C from W you get G, and for Y and M from W you get R. K is only there for simplification because it's far easier to block all light by using special black pigment then try to the same effect with C, M and Y mixed together which usually results in muddy brown. Similarly sometimes RGBW is used because it's much easier to get a clean white with a single dedicated light source than mixing it.

[@tad2021]

There's only a few companies that make the print engines for color laser printers. HP, who, unlike Dell, makes their own laser printers, often uses a print system made by Canon I believe. Typically on these medium sized color printers, after a few years it not economical to repair them as single parts will cost almost as much as an entire new printer. On the printers I've had, usually its the transfer belt that wear out , or a sensor inside that belt path, and those modules run $300-400.

[@Distinctly.Average]

Not all HP laser printers were HP, some were made for them by Lexmark.

[@gandalf87264]

Its mind boggling how those things work.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Sagan is one perceptive kid. And did Huxley say, "floating down a big river and a lava flow?" Q: How does a boy that age know about lava flows? A: Good parenting. Bravo, Davey!

[@AdmiralQuality]

The ridges on the light pipe direct some light down and out of the pipe. Much like a lenticular grid or Fresnel lens.

[@retrofitter]

Demo the laser box with a hand held laser pointer and some talcom powder

[@EEVblog]

Possible!

[@Keduce22]

My first teardown was a giant laser printer from the 80s.

[@Keduce22]

One of my engineerig courses they would collect broken printers from across the university - I think they had a deal with the department which collected old tech and furniture for recycling. Student groups would then get one free to take apart for their group project. I remeber destroying some poor old HP for its motors.

[@jonathanr4242]

Beautiful. Couple of days.

[@oliverlison]

I recently re-chipped a toner. The original Chip told the printer to stop producing pages. I absolutely detest when I am told by companies to exchange parts even though they still work - just that HP and Samsung etc can make another few cents off you. For a small business it is economical to rechip if you can get another 200 pages or so - maybe not for a huge office building. I will also re-chip the image drum.

[@artem65535]

Printers are also a source of various springs and screws =)

[@TheChrisey]

It's even got some form of PCIe slot, internal USB and a SATA port!

[@0xbenedikt]

Would be fun to hack the embedded PC in there

[@Sctronic209]

The people that design this stuff must be from another planet. Where does one begin?

[@BG101UK]

I have a similar printer at home. It's built like a tank and is capable of producing what I'd call photo quality prints. Not sure if mine has edge-to-edge but I think it does. The issue with these older machines is getting working DRIVERS for them. All that tech and engineering expertise but nothing to run it, at least in 64-Bit land.

[@TheFreaxTux]

I want to see an everyday complex machinery explained by multiple youtubers. EEVBlog - Electronics, Electrics, IC chips, Circuits, Wiring AvE - Motors, Gears, Mechanics, Materials, Manufacturing Technology Connections - History, Breakthroughs, Patents, Mechanisms of every step from start to finish SmarterEveryDay - Speed camera footage on laser and/or toner Tom Scott - Copy prevention, maybe? Any other suggestions on other awesome tech youtubers with unique perspectives? (Please, no generic tech review, no overclocking/RGB modding, no DIY, no destruction. ABSOLUTELY no "life hacks")

[@NiHaoMike64]

Big Clive - cheap electronic gadget teardowns The Signal Path - RF stuff Up and Atom - math and science scanlime - very involved reverse engineering, mostly software Captain Joe, DutchPilotGirl, Mentour Pilot - commercial aircraft and aviation Ms Mad Lemon - retro gaming and audio xraytonyb, glasslinger - retro audio

[@youtbe999]

Dude, this video is beyond awesome!

[@timturner7609]

Man Dave shittin on the metal casement like it's not great for knocking together enclosures and stands for your projects

[@frankgrudge8823]

Joy forever, another good video Dave you had me in stiches with Ken Done, Beudiful!

[@vega1287]

to reuse the bldc motors you give it power and give a square wqve onto the clock pin the frequency tells the motor the speed.

[@ElektronikLabor]

Actually Panasonic is a big designer of PSUs for consumer electronics

[@benzonet]

These lightstrips are so called pre conditioning exposure light to clear the drums electrostatic charge after a rotation. If this led fails, there could be an image offset of the previous image on the drum. By exposing the drum with light across the full width of the drum whilst rotating, the photoconductive layer starts to conduct and residual static electricity will flow to ground, thereby clearing the charge from the drum. After this the drum is ready for the "new" charge. Corona wires are used less often. Instead transferrollers and primary charging rollers are more common nowadays. Their made of conductive rubber and create a more evenly charge across the drums and paper. Improving image quality and producing less ozone gas. Have a great day, A former Canon techie from Holland.

[@MrSidMan]

13:43. HAHAHA!!! This is my same rebuttal when people say "Worse case scenario". Smart kids!

[@deltekkie7646]

If I'm not mistaken, the light from the light pipe likely is use the erase the previous image on the drum or to help the system prepare to clean the residual toner left over. I used to repair copiers many moons ago and have forgotten a lot and I'm sure the technology has improved some as well.

[@PlasmaHH]

the light pipe thingie is probably for alignment of the colours

[@BloodAsp]

I heard that new models are solid state LED based, none of this mechanical scanning laser nonsense!

[@benbaselet2026]

That would make sense as I'm sure the precision manufacturing of all those lasery bits is most of the cost of this machine.

[@Allan-mf1he]

Company called Oce have been using LPH's (Led Print heads since the 80's) . Yea they are far superior, must be some patent thing that stopped other companies til now. Now i find them in lots of other printers.

[@cambridgemart2075]

The resolution of a ROS based scanner is far higher than an LED printer can achieve.

[@RejectedBeats]

@13:05 you wrote: "If RGB was used for printing you'd just get a limited range of muddy colors." Now, I am not here to argue or something like that, but just to show you this RGB printer: www.fespa.com/en/news-media/industry/a-true-rgb-printer---lumejet-s200 @15:00 That LED diode with that light pipe is so called LED discharge component which is involved in drum cleaning process. It is used mostly for faster drum recovery. The things you learn everyday... I am printer repairman/service tech, and even I didn't know about this RGB printer before. I found out this maybe 2 months ago.

[@whatarewedoing0]

all this time i wouldnt think twice about putting an electronic upside down, to think of all the electrons that have fallen out over time,

[@duaneantor9157]

Electron glue will prevent that.

[@StreuB1]

Wow, yards and yards of high quality fine stranded hookup wire to be salvaged out of that!! Thats worth the price of admission right there!

[@EEVblog]

Forgot to mention that, yes indeed.

[@steveone]

The price of consumables for these things is astronomical . Better to junk an old one and put the repair cost towards something that does the job cheaper.

[@jusaca01]

Maybe the LED with the long rippled light pipe is for erasing residue charges on the drums after each pixel line?

[@SeanBZA]

Correct, removes residual charge from the drum before the wiper removes the toner residue down to the waste path. The drums themselves do not contact the paper directly, they transfer an image to the transfer belt, so that it will build up a colour image as it passes, and finally the paper will be placed in contact with it and charged to transfer the toner across, then right into the fuser.

[@EEVblog]

@@SeanBZA How does light remove static charge? I thought a 2nd corona wire did that?

[@EEVblog]

@Svein Are Karlsen There has got to be a dodgy Kickstarter idea in that...

[@KingNast]

@@EEVblog The coating on the drum is a photoconductor so the charge is dissipated when light hits it. That's how the latent image is formed on the drum. They used to use selenium, but now they're called "organic photoconductors" I don't know what the photoconductive material is in those. There might be a quenching corona before the lamp too, I can't remember. I guess the lamp just ensures it's completely discharged. A while back, Canon started replacing corona wires with these rubber rollers that contact the drum directly. I think they used a much lower voltage to charge the drum.

[@Sine1040]

@@EEVblog Same way the imaging laser does it spot-wise, the drum is a photosensitive semiconductor.

[@zaprodk]

The belt does /not/ move the paper. It only carries the toner.

[@JoshuaFawcett]

It is a reasonably old Dell Laser from 2013, 7 years in service is pretty good. Some data for the nerds at home Service Tag: 4BC26X1 Ship Date: 23 NOV 2013

[@marwinthedja5450]

Nice! I did the same a few month ago on a massive Samsung printer I found on the roadside. It was a rather recent model but replacement toner cartridges are like $ 150...

[@andrewford2783]

I am the 'poor bastard' who would come along and replace boards like that! I've been fixing office equipment since 1976 starting on Fax machines. The transfer belt assembly you took out will always have some residue as not 100% is transferred to the paper, the rest is cleaned off. Corona wires are now old hat and a source of nasty ozobe. Charge rollers are commonplace these days. I'm still amazed at the designers. Some companies, I'm sure, have a "Let's make it as difficult as possible for the fixer to repair this" design department. Love your video's. 👍👍👍

[@YourUNKus]

Have any experience with large format printers? I acquired a Canon ImagePrograf 605 for next to nothing and can't bear to toss it or parts it like Dave here just because the code says "checksum error" on startup. Main answer on my searches was replace main board (~$600) . The "Difficult to fix dept." indeed must exist. Have seen many of these beautiful beasts for free or close to it... just haul away. Crying shame!

[@Wkterr]

Sagan's right. Getting sucked into a black hole is worse than a paper jam.

[@rwdplz1]

If I ever spotted the corporate printer in a dumpster, I'd take it home and go 'Office Space' on it.

[@markfergerson2145]

If you know a few other makers locally you could swap the parts you don't want yourself, like the optics, the rest of the HV, the processors, and so on for parts they have that you do want. Different people find different bits useful.

[@gazgano]

Ex Sharp, Canon & HP tech of 30 years. Everything just gets smaller. Great video, Dell printers I have never touched though. I could builld a decent robot out of that lot 😀

[@JavierChiappa]

I was the poor bastard who had to swap out those boards at IBM. Lol.