EEVblog 1633 Part 2 - WAVJA Patent, 300kW Solar Balls!

[@Evergreen64]

I see now where the AI is at. It wrote the patent for them.

[@Splarkszter]

It's AL not Ai but yeah funny. lol

[@BenBrand]

Thank you! I am so happy this was the top comment because this is exactly what I came here to say!

[@urnoob5528]

@@Splarkszter AI

[@daf0975]

​@@SplarkszterArtificial Lunatic?

[@GlutenEruption]

@@BenBrandsame!

[@ASteamingHam]

If you invest, Wavja money goodbye.

[@davidc1878]

Nice 😎

[@ursodermatt8809]

i made one of those spheres. it works! i plugged it into the cigarette lighter of my EV and i can now drive fore ever. the main traction batter never gets below 99%. at night i need a flashlight though to power the sphere. but it is a small price to pay.

[@cbremer83]

Last time I got my solar balls out, FL state police arrested me.

[@dbackscott]

You must’ve been at the wrong beach, then. 😂

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

Rookie mistake, you should've got orange balls instead.

[@jaro6985]

Last time you sunned your balls you mean.

[@jurabondarchook2494]

They also get burned by sun pretty badly, police literary saved your balls.

[@lmwlmw4468]

🤣🤣😂😂😅😅😅.....

[@retrozmachine1189]

Fingers crossed, fingers crossed... please let them say something about vapour deposition. I so want the operating principles to be based on smoke and mirrors.

[@roflchopter11]

Underrated comment.

[@Photoloss]

They don't say it directly, but "ion emission" of the non-focused variety as they claim to be part of their magic infinite power hack usually _would_ be something you see as part of a vapour deposition oven instead. I think what they _meant_ to say is more akin to ion transport within a battery though.

[@damdampapa]

🤣🤣 Brilliant Dad joke!

[@anactualpilot]

its a known fact that you store energy in the balls

[@paulmcgrath2175]

@@anactualpilot I concur.

[@EEVblog]

That's what she said.

[@demoncloud6147]

Chi power

[@jhonbus]

P.I.S.S. is stored in the balls.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

It's a modern version of the Cups And Balls illusion. Investor money is made to magically disappear and then later change state onto a new Mercedes or a pretty nice boat.

[@GamingWithNikolas]

Haha yes

[@paradiselost9946]

ahhhh! "jetoptera!" lol, after discovering the fundamental flaw, they discovered investors money is good for buying expensive jet turbine powered RC planes... or sunpower, after reinventing the radial steam engine without a master rod, discovered investor money is great for buying yachts and overseas holiday homes...

[@MoltenPoo]

Shereen C. Chen, Esq. is a practicing attorney in the state of Pennsylvania. I wonder what the state bar association would think about an admitted attorney being involved in grift like this...

[@SomeMorganSomewhere]

That patent was 100% written by ChatGPT no human could cook up anything quite that disjointed.

[@Minty1337]

actually from my experience, chatgpt would've done better, this patent has the "human made charm" that scam patents have had for decades, looks indistinguishable from those anti-gravity devices from the late 90s.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

it's just machine translated, ChatGPT would do betteer

[@pipatron]

ChatGPT would likely get the units right (current=ampere etc) because it would draw from external sources which would MOSTLY be correct.

[@banalestorchid5814]

I think we're being trolled...... It's not April 1st is it?....

[@DarthChrisB]

@@pipatron Not if it draws from other snake oil sources

[@Maddin1313]

The AI prompt for the patent: "Write a patent for this product without using the word 'magic' "

[@crimsonhalo13]

It's almost like someone asked ChatGPT to write a scientific paper, then immediately tossed the results into the Shakespearean Translator, then ran the product back and forth in Google Translate half a dozen times.

[@DreadX10]

You speak like some-one with experience on the matter.... ;-)

[@GamingWithNikolas]

Honestly that is the most accurate description of thud patent I have seen.

[@datassette]

I'm sure these solar balls would look great on my Christmas tree.

[@mikesradiorepair]

Somehow I doubt there are many people that want a 10kW power supply attached to the smart glasses they are wearing on their face. Hey, what happened to Dave? I saw his obituary the other day. He hooked his solar balls up to his smart glasses and his head burst into flames. ROFL.....

[@Photoloss]

Having read (actually granted and useful) patents on what an industrial laser can do with substantially less, including patented safety enclosures for said lasers, I do not want a 10kW power supply in the same room as myself. Add an active monitoring and automatic safety shutoff system if UV or infrared is involved, those things get NASTY real quick.

[@paradiselost9946]

@@Photoloss i have a 20kw power supply in my room? at LEAST 20kw! um. i have no idea actually, but it does turn a log into a LOT of HEAT! iunno, everytime i light a bonfire, i wonder about just how many MW im actually sending up in a plume of hot air...

[@atkelar]

I think my buzzword bingo card just burst into flames....

[@KeritechElectronics]

...like a bomb - or THE bomb, Dmitri... the hydrogen bomb!

[@thephantom7059]

A turbo solar encabulator at it's finest

[@ChippyOZ]

No references to AC/DC "Big Balls", disappointing Dave...

[@meltysquirrel2919]

From my comment on his other video on this: Cue Bon Scott... Well I'm upper-upper class engineering society God's gift to solar notoriety And I always fill my lab room The output is never small The IEEE papers say I've got The bluest solar balls of all! 🤡

[@arvetemecha]

It's an entire reference to AC/DC "Ballbreaker" album :-)

[@paradiselost9946]

my balls are always bouncing from the left and to the right... ha ha. its playing on the radio right now! (crucial velocity... a nice mix of old and new... and lots of rarities!) now all we need is skyhooks, "why dont you all get f**ked..."

[@Machine1136]

I think their "heat measuring instrument" had the surface emissivity slightly miscalibrated. 😂

[@Photoloss]

Might be pulsed vs continuous yield tbh. A 0.5s measuring period is way too long for an outright pulse laser to matter, but if any of the materials exhibits an effect similar to fluorescence or stimulated emission I could definitely see a discharge cascade outputting insane-seeming power over such a short period. Of course that output cannot be sustained for much longer, and the energy input required to re-energise the internal storage will be far greater than what you get back out. If they really do measure "heat" the energy might come from a phase change in the material. Ever used one of those liquid-filled hand warmers which turn solid and quite warm all of a sudden when activated? Yeah those won't power a flying taxi either.

[@mikesradiorepair]

Come on Dave. A 3 year old can figure out how these fancy balls produce energy. You supply 300 kW to the ball and when the ball burst into flames it produces thermal energy. Maybe it's a mini fusion reactor. 🙂

[@teresashinkansen9402]

Not flames but Hot Plasma™

[@mikesradiorepair]

@@teresashinkansen9402 I think you cracked it. Plasma so hot it melts a hole through the space time continuum and siphons energy from surrounding parallel universes. As a side note. I bet their balls come with a warning label. "Do not leave your balls unattended as they may produce excessive amounts of energy so great that it could create a big bang event."

[@madb132]

@@mikesradiorepair Oh please, Don't give them more bs to add to the already useless nonsense. 🤣🤣. Maybe you can re-write thier script. At least yours sounds more plauseable.😁😁

[@GamingWithNikolas]

​@mikesradiorepair The sad thing is you gave a better explanation of where the energy comes from than they did! At least you have a source, but they just seem to pull the energy straight out their ass.

[@GamingWithNikolas]

300kw into a ball like 6 inches in diameter. How the Hell can that thing dissipat the heat when it's made out of silicon???

[@sintaxera]

We are gonna look real stupid when everyone flies past us in their hyperspace cars powered by low poly golf balls

[@GamingWithNikolas]

Low poly golf balls! Omg I'm dying

[@DreadX10]

Judging by the amount of times the word "What" was used in response to reading the patent, this is at least a 'kiloWhat' device..... They are on to something. ;-)

[@cmuller1441]

6:40 A.h is not Energy! You have to multiply by Voltage for that to get V.A.h=W.h

[@antoineroquentin2297]

"My balls light up completely" -- Dave Jones

[@retrozmachine1189]

A.I. in this instance is abbreviation for All Imaginary.

[@Photoloss]

Not a lawyer but I do work with patents, honestly this one doesn't look too bad, until they state the power output anyway. TL;DR: I think the tech they use technically might work, effectively running something like a pocket calculator LCD in reverse harvesting the absorbed light into electrical voltage, but even if it does work the power output is abysmal (ever see a pocket calculator run out of battery? Didn't think so. This would produce less usable power than the calculator consumes, per mass of "reverse LCD" material) Some things to note though: This is only an APPLICATION, not a GRANTED patent. It can still be rejected, and I would expect that to happen primarily based on lack of innovation. The first claim only describes the reflector sphere, which should be well known in prior art through some niche combination of more typical focusing mirrors ("homemade solar death ray", heliostat) and integrating sphere enclosures for lab-grade light detectors, which obviously do produce "electricity or heat" while in use. The later claims regarding power output will be tossed out immediately, there's a direct explicit ban on "perpetual motion" machines in the SOPs of many patent offices. The "word salad" is honestly pretty normal for a certain style of writing patents. Usually due to legalese, not "AI" authorship. Usually repetitive parts exist to clearly call back to previous claims in a legally airtight way, but without copy-pasting the entire full definition. I won't bother to check whether this is done _correctly_ here, but it seems rigorous enough at a glance. Doesn't mean any of it is _physically_ correct or useful though. Excessively specific or otherwise redundant-seeming dependant claims (#2-15) are also common. The key point here is that you are not allowed to add anything new to your patent when someone else later challenges it, so these claims exist as a fallback in case the primary independent claim #1 is declared invalid but the more specific claims are not, in this case you get to keep your patent protection on the specific claims instead of losing everything. Claim 7 might be an external reflective coating layer, _hopefully_ for total internal reflection within the material. Claim 8 seems perfectly normal, however the translation for laypeople is basically just "commercial glass". Claim 9 "liquor" is suspicious and not common terminology I'm aware of, but I don't work in glass manufacturing. The term is effectively defined within the patent though, so at worst I'd question the author's language skills. Haven't seen it used in the context of 3D printing either for what it's worth. Claims 10+11 is where we get some actual bullshit. You don't want "ion emission" in such a device, "Ampere hours" is not a unit of electrical _current_ but rather of electrical _charge_ (yes, Dave technically got it wrong too), and the whole thing is referencing completely different technological ideas compared to the previous claims. Claim 12 reads like it's based on auto-dimming welding masks or sunglasses, but basically in reverse. The "greater than unity current output" aspect technically is not an immediate slam-dunk rejection for "perpetual motion" as the thing is clearly still powered by external light input here. Nothing here explains HOW they produce the excess current though, so I imagine it could work in principle ...with an efficiency of like

[@simontillson482]

Oh man, you clearly have a very poor understanding of electricity and tech in general. If you really think this reads like a proper patent, your customers need to find someone else, pronto! There is no excuse for the nonsensical wording in this patent application - it just doesn’t make any sense. The units are all wrong. They’re wrongly applied. The physical mechanisms described don’t just go against the laws of physics, they’re just unphysical in the first place. There is a huge difference between ‘patentese’ and ‘bullcrap’.

[@Photoloss]

@@simontillson482 I think this _superficially_ reads like a certain style of "normal" patent. Even from a large reputable company that does not mean the contents are cohesive nor useful, but I doubt they're actually fraudulent. Unlike this one. And yes, there's no excusing the unit errors. Already commented on those. Physical units are correct in the original publications even when deliberately obtuse language is used. And in order to be useful the quantities are usually given in pretty wide ranges i.e. orders of magnitude, regulatory limits or concrete physical limitations.

[@ledzappelin1179]

That woo-woo material will be later called 'Dilithium'

[@christopherstaples6758]

amazed you found a way to make a part 2 ... thought you showed everything needed in the first part

Amp-hours is unit of charge. 1 Ah is 3600 C (coulomb). BTW, is I understand the language of their patent correctly, their plan (but not what they show) is to have the sphere from some kind of **"smart glass"** material, where you can switch between transparency and reflectivity (on the inside) with electric current. Like polymer-dispersed liquid-crystal devices, where you use electric current to make them transparent. Not that it would work, and certainly you wouldn't get more power that the sun irradiance provides.

[@jhoughjr1]

How tf you get a coulomb qnd amp hour equivalence?

[@ianemery2925]

At some point, someone will realise they got milliwatt and megawatt mixed up; I remember BBC News doing this, and despite my contacting them; they never corrected the story (Tidal power generator produces 20mW of power)

[@DEADB33F]

Looks like a pack of expensive Christmas baubles.

[@ribaldbohling2107]

God, I love this. As a person with a bit of physics background I always think "what sane person buys this shit". But there seems to be a market for this.

[@Paetaor]

Need to find pt1 now.

[@samholdsworth420]

It's over there 👉🏻

[@meJaso]

Pt1 is just more the same.

[@pdp11]

I haven't laughed this much in years!

[@SpaceStickwithSpaceTick]

They went so far over unity they got an overflow and wrapped back around to 0.1 💀

[@mrDarktrooper]

this doesn't even deserve the credit of a debunking video.

[@BritishEngineer]

Define?

[@EEVblog]

But it's (painfully) fun.

[@ahaveland]

​@@EEVblogfun for a masochist! This is pure technobollocks and the people that made it should be in jail for fraud. Hope nobody here gave them any money!

[@musashi939]

​@@ahavelandif you want pain then watch ftfe (fight the flat earth) debate flat earth idiots. That is painful. Don't forget your facepalm protection.

[@spehropefhany]

It's literally low-hanging fruit. ;-)

[@whatnow9653]

Indoor windmill, thoughts.

[@EEVblog]

$1M on Indiegogo, easy.

[@whatnow9653]

​@@EEVblogwould I get 2 million if it has nano technology and quad core ?

[@jimtekkit]

If it's compact (about desk fan size) then I bid $2 billion. I don't even need a working demo, just say a few vague sentences about charging EVs and then I'll throw in a few extra billion to compensate your over-achieving efforts.

[@teresashinkansen9402]

@@whatnow9653 Don't forget to add AI powered smart energy optimization for an extra million more.

[@pomonabill220]

It could happen! Leave it up to chen!

[@marcelhh2101]

I miss the 4D quantum dilution interceptor device

[@russelldresh7832]

Nice one Dave. Surely if there are numerous beams of light reflecting off of mirrors/lenses there would be interference and some of the light beams would cancel each other out, which would also reduce the efficiency (if any)

[@ameenraed]

God bless you my friend, you really open my eyes I am speechless can't say anything Only I can say is Thank you By the way, my friend sent them email want to be their distributor in our region 😂 thank goodness I share your video with him till now he is in shock

[@WoodyWilliams]

'This one is going to die in the ass." So accurate & colorful.

[@SumitMondal753]

Dave really lost it this time i don't blame him. people will need therapy after reading their patent.

[@IcecalGamer]

That patent is "ai" SEO Amazon-style at its finest !

[@treknut72]

I hang those on my xmas tree every year....now I know how my tree lights get power🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Torgo63]

Use them as Christmas Ornaments... The best part, they can power the Christmas lights because they power themselves!

[@LateralTwitlerLT]

10:30 I really like how on #16 they say "liquor" and not/instead of "liquid".

[@brucepickess8097]

I guess someone was obviously p****d when they wrote that part.😏

[@bertblankenstein3738]

Might as well have the Swedish Chef read the article. It would probably make more sense.

[@bertblankenstein3738]

It too painful to try and even begin to make sense of the BS.

[@Digital-Dan]

Note that the document is a patent application, not a granted patent. With luck the examiner will be good enough to consign the thing to the bottom of a birdcage on Dulany Street.

[@Keith-g2b]

You always crack me Dave

[@zebo-the-fat]

If they can get more energy out than they put in, they should be receiving the next Nobel prize, or more likely they should be prosecuted for false advertising!

[@ralphj4012]

It's obvious how this works, the stimulation current of 4 amp-hours (clause 11) at minimum 10kW (clause 14) comes from the power bank shown in part 1, ion emission starts, thereby circumventing the normal laws of thermodynamics.

[@morantaylor]

Lol the secret powersource for Spaceballs 1.

[@technoman9000]

Use the Schwartz, Dave...

[@Damien.D]

With stimulation, balls stores energy and can delivers half a megawatt. Well known fact. You need two to make a megawatt.

[@jaytalbot1146]

Note that that is a patent APPLICATION, no patent has been issued (and I suspect probably won't be) Interestingly, the application says the agent is Richard P Gilly of Archer & Greiner, but he doesn't work for them any more, he opened his own practice. One wonders if he was asked to leave after submitting stuff like this application?

[@dogastus]

"Word Salad" - I must remember that.

[@retrozmachine1189]

If they are using tungsten trioxide, might I suggest they try tri-cobalt too? It worked for Star Trek...

[@godevskii]

Give them a Nobel Prize in Physics!

[@matthiaswinkler4061]

They deserve a price for creative writing, at least!

[@meJaso]

I wonder how gpt was used in the making of this salad.

[@mattrichardson4351]

We get these type of free energy nutters in from time to time.. always chasing the pot of gold

[@tali3san337]

I always wondered what those things on the Daleks were...

[@Blueopard]

Considering that there is a lot of talk about tungsten trioxide, I think that this patent has to do with the electrochromic effect and has nothing to do with photovoltaic systems. Tungsten trioxide is an electrochromic material, Li-NMC is the reservoir for Li+ ions, Li+ ions being essential for this effect, silver together with silicon nitride acts as a very efficient mirror both in the visible spectrum and in the IR spectrum.

[@subramaniamchandrasekar1397]

There should be one more line in the specification.. "No wire needed."🤣

[@DreadX10]

No mention of being bluetooth enabled? Missed opportunity.

[@tweed532DaveH]

Was feeling down in the dumps and unable to sleep, watched this and was laughing out loud at the end. Hope the neighbours didn't hear as it's 4.00 am UK time!! Oh that 'AI' chip, that's producing the 'Artificial Incontinence' part of the deal. (ps. Louis Rossmann called you out the other day on a battery investigation in passing). 🤔👍🤣🇬🇧

[@monchiabbad]

The power is with these spheres, they absorb all light sources surrounding them to emit the light the absorbed.

[@mikestewart4752]

I bet there’s fine print somewhere that specs it out on the surface of Mercury to get those #s. 🤦

[@kira07]

maybe the creators did not understand that generally when mirror reflects light, its cutting it by 50%, depending on the material used. or maybe this is just randomly generated patent thing from llm

[@minilab9030]

Seriously amusing

[@pdrg]

I think I understand - light comes in and because it's mirrors the light keeps on reflecting and reflecting and becomes a huge photon battery, then you use the 4Ah so the shiny insides become transparent releasing a whole day's worth of energy. It's all so simple really, what could go wrong?

[@dominiquegobeil5831]

Where can I buy this? I need 1MW power for my MP3 player. The headphones do not play loud enough!!

[@sergpodolnii3962]

Great Scott! It is a genuine flux capacitor!

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Busting the balls continues

[@fzigunov]

16:25 This is what happens, Dave, when you let simulation people run a company. Looks like that was some simulation results (it was a "digital measurement instrument", i.e. a "probe point" in a simulation). From my interactions with computational groups, not many of them do the basic "back of the envelope" energy conservation equations.

[@brucepickess8097]

Not sure about simulation, I think someone produced this garbage through a whole load of over stimulation.😏

[@JonPMeyer]

Both the US and European patents are marked as pending. This over-unity stuff sometimes skates by an examiner, but the European Patent Office is usually really good at rejecting it fairly quickly. Plus, there is a metric tonne of prior art already cited. This patent application is headed for the dustbin

[@alexv3780]

At 0.05AU to 0.001AU you can get the same Solar Radiation Intensity values as the power values they describe in the patent, of course meseasured at 1m² and not at their lens size. I don't know the temperature at those distances but I can guess it'll be really hot 😂

[@imark7777777]

I'm sure those balls are 3-D printed prototype look-alikes. And remember for use with a car battery. And anywhere solar or batteries are used these things confused because then they can be everywhere and they can be everywhere and they can make lots of money.

[@gudenau]

Is this just a LED pointed at a solar panel as the world's worst battery?

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

Could be dumber still, like a superconducting coil eternal current flow. Useless to extract anything out of it.

[@vijo2616]

Are part of the game plan to make the patent sufficiently vague and woolly so that they can troll (extort) future developments ?

[@Fulmynato]

We have a word for that in Italian, we call it "supercazzola".

[@TLang-el6sk]

Hey, I must get my hands on these to realize my perpetuum mobile project. With the claim to be 200 times more efficient than a solar cell and the assumption of a solar cell efficiency of 0.2 and a LED light efficiency of around 0.3 when I feed the lamps on these balls and really focus them to the balls I will have around 0.2x200x0.3=12 (1200% !!!). Wow. I must really take care that this setup doesn't explode 🤣🤣🤣

[@Kris_M]

Looks more like a test of the patent rejection procedures. Was that patent downloaded from an actual registrar or from their own website?

[@Photoloss]

Applications are published separately by the patent offices, usually well before rejection and the published application stays up regardless of whether it is later granted or rejected. Not sure how you'd actually go about getting the publication of a mere application denied without also being investigated for criminal or national security reasons, maybe excessive use of profanity?

[@gerryeneral4609]

Dave, really! “What’s inside the box?” It’s obvious - shoes!

[@rasimbot]

When is the part 3?

[@joruss]

It's only missing bluetooth connectivity.

[@samuraidriver4x4]

It's got 1000ghz wifi but they are keeping it a company secret until ChatGPT is done with writing the patent for that.😉

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

The name WAVJA sounds exactly like one of those "brands" in Amazon storefront. Didn't help that thir patent very much smell like AI. With that energy density they should apply for NIF or ITER lol. They would _looove_ that magical tech.

[@todkapuz]

was this patent application written BY ai?

[@AndrewTSq]

I asked AI what it thought :D "A sphere with a radius of approximately 10.9 meters covered in 20% efficient solar panels under peak sunlight conditions could theoretically generate 300 kW in one second."

[@xXGreyArea]

The whole thing sounds like something straight out of ChatGPT...

[@danmoon4661]

Nice, Over unity balls. Are they Blue?

[@Rob2]

Amp-hours is not a unit of energy! It is no problem to convert a certain amount of Amp-hours to a higer amount. That is done using a transformer. When you have a 10:1 turns ratio in your transformer (say a 240V to 24V transformer) the output Amp-hours is 10 times the input Amp-hours. Of course the energy remains the same because the voltage goes town by a factor of 10 as well, and the energy would be voltage*current*time.

[@EEVblog]

Yeah, brain fart, my mind was in Wh mode from other solar stuff.

[@Matt47247523457]

This has to be a troll... At least the turbo encabulator made sense.

[@DarthChrisB]

25:00 The blue banner is the cherry on top of all the snake oil bs

[@God-CDXX]

what a blast of BS magical patented woo-woo material

[@MrRschutte]

seams like lets patent a lot of words and let's. wait until some new thech looks like our Patent and get the money :)

[@manjsher3094]

This device works on the same principles as the TARDIS.

[@russellspear4911]

They found Tesla's lost notes. In the dark the DC current reverses polarity, though caution must be used as an excess of matter may be produced.

[@moshabbab]

How come they got the patent approved. ?!! Is it that easy to get a patent nowadays ?!

[@Photoloss]

Patent codes ending in "A" and a digit are only applications, not granted yet (those usually have a "B") and no legal rights or protections yet either. Since they seem to have filed mostly in the US and the US patent office has a reputation for being somewhat lax and sloppy I could see most of this being granted, with the understanding of it being a useless gizmo. However the claims of kW-level power output should get it tossed out even in the US and without any court proceedings.

[@Catoblepa77]

As AC/DC said, they've got big balls. Definitely :D

[@CatholicSatan]

I think even the smallest AI chip would have trouble fitting in WAVJA's 6mm sphere and would block any light bouncing around too... I read the patent a few days ago (it's not very readable) and was baffled as to how it became a patent.

[@Photoloss]

Not granted yet, just an application. I'm not sure what it actually takes to be denied publication of an application. I mean, there are patents for guns and sex toys so you'd probably need to include hardcore gore, erotica or hate speech. Well, there is _one_ clear category that doesn't get published: national secrets and related interests. Needless to say those are kept completely under wraps though.

[@electronash]

They should have just called them "Deez Nuts" (tm)

[@vansien]

I'd like to see them try and put 10Kw into a mobile phone.😂

[@onradioactivewaves]

Kw?

[@kdawg2468]

It's confirmed lads, current is stored in the balls.

[@android01978]

Probably looking at this all wrong. This thing has enough woo woo energy to power cities!