"Do you have a hard dongle? - I said 'no'." .. This blocked the "Spread all" function.
@EEVblog7 жыл бұрын
I'll pay that.
@linuxthemoon7 жыл бұрын
EDIT: google fuckup!
@daviddanaci7 жыл бұрын
1 USD is around 115 JPY, so it is $17 k. Unless this is some kind of "Canadian Pesos" joke.
@Gizmo42Rodeo7 жыл бұрын
According to Oanda just now 2,000,000 JPY is 22,993.50 AUD
@linuxthemoon7 жыл бұрын
Ah my mistake, I typed 2.000,000 by accident! Holy crap that's expensive...
@BoomBrush7 жыл бұрын
Dave: IF you type into google directly "2000000 yen in aud" it will directly tell you.
@crimsun71867 жыл бұрын
Which is what Dave is using on the video.
@CookingWithCows7 жыл бұрын
maybe the price on the website was based on the exchange rate in 1998 :P no idea how it was back then
@linuxthemoon7 жыл бұрын
EDIT: whoops, it's expensive as fuck
@Gizmo42Rodeo7 жыл бұрын
2,000,000 JPY = 22,993.50 AUD
@briandecker84037 жыл бұрын
lol -not sure you know your numbers...
@OneBiOzZ7 жыл бұрын
Next up, dave reviews protel for dos
@marvin199667 жыл бұрын
Alyx BioHaz would actually appreciate that
@funkyironman697 жыл бұрын
I think I have that on an old i486 system
@cherryguerrero13117 жыл бұрын
jjensen2492
@PeterBrand967 жыл бұрын
I like its old school gui, none of that ribbon rubbish.
@toxanbi7 жыл бұрын
+10²³
@Eo_Tunun7 жыл бұрын
4:40 "Do you have a hard dongle?" …what do they care? These bastards are getting a bit private, aren't they?
@bobbjorkner71407 жыл бұрын
"the possibility of CSiEDA is infinity"
@vk3hau7 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling yanks won't get what rooting means..... if not, think sex. Replace the word "rooting" with "F***ing" and a "ute" is what yanks call trucks. So "Kevin Bloody Wilson" to Yank song conversions would be " F***ing in the back of the Truck" ...
@PixelmechanicYYZ7 жыл бұрын
vk3hau Aussies also love a particular clothing store here in Canada called "Roots". Kind of outdoorsy-ish place but their sweatshirts and hoodies all say ROOTS prominently across the front :)
@TKomoski7 жыл бұрын
Borland C++
@landspide7 жыл бұрын
For sure... might be C++ Builder...
@TKomoski7 жыл бұрын
What gives it away is the buttons Borland used.
@landspide7 жыл бұрын
T Komoski yep thinking the same :) There was an OCX directory too, filled with ActiveX goodness (likely for scripting)
@pldaniels7 жыл бұрын
It always stumped me why Borland created such toyish looking widget decorations like that, especially on the back of how strong their line up was prior (Borland Pascal / C / C++ in text mode with TurboVision was very nice ). When I saw Delphi I lost my appetite for it, which was a shame as the RAD system was... rad ;)
@TKomoski7 жыл бұрын
Paul Daniels I remember RAD back then that brings me back, I used Borland before Microsoft killed it. Borland had that trademark look that made it stand out from other products. Mind you there was not much back then in the early 90's. I did too change to Microsoft IDE environment because Windows API was just taking off and support for Borland was waynin.
@nicwilson897 жыл бұрын
WinPCB sounds familiar...from a long, long time ago
@vencibushy7 жыл бұрын
You have to admit. It does look very professional.
@MatthewSuffidy7 жыл бұрын
Rutans are also an alien race in Doctor Who, who are the enemies of the Sontarans. They appeared in Horror of Fang Rock.
@TheChipmunk20087 жыл бұрын
Yes those buttons look very Delphi-ish...
@WestCoastMole7 жыл бұрын
I can believe 17 Grand for this package in 1995. It probably sold big among major manufacturers and Design Houses in its day establishing a position of dominance in that market. Japanese culture being what it there is little if any desire to reach out and even sample foreign products. So Mystery EDA can still demand, and receive, the same price for its product in the Japanese Market today.
@RandyLott7 жыл бұрын
It looks somewhat similar to Cadence Allegro. Super expensive and clunky. Altium is so much faster to use, in my opinion.
@philbx17 жыл бұрын
Sad state of downgrading I think. Used to be shaggin wagons, now rootin utes?
@tHaH4x0r7 жыл бұрын
I thought Cadstar and cs 5000 (both by Zuken) are the defecto standard in EDA packages in Japan.
@Hexureus7 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave. Just a tip, Try opening the .pcp you have with a text editor, usually it will show funny characters but at the beginning of the file there usually are perceptible names of what could the pcb tool used to create it
@garethlock48707 жыл бұрын
In regards to the .PCB file you're trying to open. Try ExpressPCB this saves and loads these files, and in all likelihood was what was used to create them. Alternately you can try robot room copper connection, which can read ExpressPCB files, but can't save them. However it doesn't lock you into one manufacturer.
@vehasmaa7 жыл бұрын
lol i use Sprint-Layout, german made small pcd program. Not super rich in features but mostly good enough for small projects..
@bonzaihb34327 жыл бұрын
Same here ;) but v6 seems to have some pretty f**ked up bugs (like "self turning" pads that flip around by themselves or parts getting caught to foreign ratlines when rotating them over another part and stuff like that) - just yesterday I shot my latest board without noticing beforehand. Really annoying...
@edgeeffect7 жыл бұрын
Haven't heard any Kevin Bloody Wilson for years. I used to develop in Delphi and just before you said it, I was thinking that looks A LOT like Delphi.
@TheEXTRAtesco7 жыл бұрын
The slowness on rendering could be cause by desktop compositioning, perhaps try to change it in the shortcut properties.
@TroutButter7 жыл бұрын
ROOTIN IN THE BACK OF THE UTE!!!! LOL
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR7 жыл бұрын
I think you will have to get the USB Dongle for this package as you will need it to get full use off the EDA, There seems to be a non dongle version of Linux Mint 17.3 (Rosa) 64bit called gEDA might actually getting Linux Mint and getting this.
@ophello7 жыл бұрын
If anyone complains about the intro image or wants to complain that it "isn't real" please run headlong into a wall at full speed first. That will help you think more clearly than you were when you first concluded it was fake. Thanks. Signed: everyone who understands astronomy, physics, photography, reality, logic, science in general.
@sparkplug10187 жыл бұрын
Are people really going on that that image is fake? Seriously if people are they need to go read a bit about the orbit of the satellite that imaged it.
@ophello7 жыл бұрын
You're exactly the kind of moron I was talking about.
@sparkplug10187 жыл бұрын
ophello Who is that comment directed towards? I completely agree its 100% legit and understand its because of the orbit the satellite is in that allowed it to take that image in the first place. If it was the person above me, my apologies.
@johndrachenberg22547 жыл бұрын
I'm actually very interested in finding the original image. Do you know when it was taken, or by what satellite?
@sparkplug10187 жыл бұрын
***** The image was taken by the DSCOVR satellite, from a distance of I believe 1 million miles. If you go to the Wikipedia page for the DSCOVR satellite, theres an animated version of that image there.
@Bushougoma7 жыл бұрын
14:18 Man what a dated design a 27512 (NMOS) UV EPROM guess the CMOS version 27C512 was too expensive :-).
@MacoveiVlad7 жыл бұрын
I also associated those buttons with Delphi for some reason but it appears it is actually Borland C++. VB had normal looking buttons.
@teemoinvietnam13567 жыл бұрын
The VBasic folder is for macros, i guess. It also says so on the website, iirc.
@shana_dmr7 жыл бұрын
Japanese software that has demo PCB with text in Korean (near the measurements). Brilliant:D
@hmpeter7 жыл бұрын
When companies are trapped with decades worth of work and libraries in your obscure cad package, you can charge them insane amounts of money it seems. Same thing with Cadstar, for example. The middle versions cost the same as Altium, but is way less capable. 3d view sucks and is 5k extra. Full package is like 50k and still sucks. I cannot imagine them getting much new customers. But some companies have invested a lot and still spend incredible amounts of money to keep in running. ^^
@ernestuz7 жыл бұрын
Apart of some minor annoyances (every program has them), it seems to be quite a decent EDA package, I don't care the old fashioned look. But the prices are crazy, you can get altium for about $5K. Probably it's some kind of tailor made software, maybe developed for one of the Japanese biggies, offered now to a bigger audience. I'd bet a beer that some of the features weren't present in any other package at the time.
@lucidnonsense9427 жыл бұрын
"My computer is no slouch," shows 4GB, windows vista in sys info... Is that just the age of software showing, or are you overdue for an upgrade?
@EEVblog7 жыл бұрын
It's not detecting right.
@pldaniels7 жыл бұрын
That feels like something I can add to my excuse cards along with "solar flares" and "alternative-energy electrons"
@AverageJoe20207 жыл бұрын
And cold electricity?
@sparkplug10187 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he's on at least Win 7 (still old I know) and I know that system has more then 4GB of ram in it. He did a whole video building it. Trust me I've seen systems report and detect things wrong and it has you chasing your ass for a while sometimes.
@Psychlist19727 жыл бұрын
Might be a 32 bit app and from before Windows 7.
@ChipGuy7 жыл бұрын
I wonder how an american company made that decision: "Let's get that super expensive EDA system from Japan that looks ancient. Well, I bet they use that EDA system for quite some time and back when they introduced it the circumstances were totally different to what they are now.
@txtrader5127 жыл бұрын
"The goodness can be actually felt if it uses it." - that 100% sells it for me.
@LoriH2O7 жыл бұрын
Hey, that's my desktop background too! :D
@Dreamagine17 жыл бұрын
So they're still selling 10 year old software for like $17.5k USD?
@raindogred7 жыл бұрын
couple a beers and a vegemite sandwich....maaate. can't get that song out of my head now
@Rcvliegen7 жыл бұрын
A *.PCB can be a DesignSpark file. Nice hobby design tool without any restrictions.
@bbreeuwer45777 жыл бұрын
The refresh/sluggishness reminds me of KiCad, which I used to run at my work for a while on a pretty beefy machine. (even with the latest build). The price is insane indeed.
@claaaaams7 жыл бұрын
Just wondering what your PC specs are. Love the channel. Thanks for the content!
@JerryWalker0017 жыл бұрын
Very similar to Easypc which is 50 times cheaper and draws without flickering.
@movax20h7 жыл бұрын
Looks like fully features package. The price is rather strange, but otherwise I kind of like all the quirks. Like rounded traces or tear drops, are all really nice. They are useful and if you do not want them, you can easily not use them. Nothing to laugh about for professional suite of tools. Even the 3D viewers is good one. The performance of the drawing could be improved, but it is quiet ok even for big boards, no issues.
@BlankBrain7 жыл бұрын
The two million yen includes the factory to manufacture the boards.
@thegioiaion26467 жыл бұрын
Your lab table at the end of the video, where can I get that online?
@TheChipmunk20087 жыл бұрын
Yay for Kevin Bloody Wilson!
@DavidLeeMenefee7 жыл бұрын
Darn it! I only have $15,000.00 US to spend. I guess that leaves me out...thumbs up...PEACE
@HomelessTechnology7 жыл бұрын
I went and see Kevin Bloody Wilson live a couple of months ago.
@EEVblog7 жыл бұрын
Crikey, he's still touring?
@HomelessTechnology7 жыл бұрын
EEVblog yeah it was his final final farewell tour was really good had his daughter at the start too. Was in Chatham in Kent, UK.
@flapjackboy7 жыл бұрын
Yep, he's touring with his daughter, Jenny Talia. Been to see them live a few times and got some of their albums signed by them both.
@eukat3ch7 жыл бұрын
Thanks dave. Excellent review. funny that is says Windows vista at 15:02 at the operating system info. Must be the software.
@darrenjacobson74567 жыл бұрын
.net framework 1.1? Holy crap that's old. I'm fairly sure they don't use that at all anymore, but the last time I saw it was version 4.2 I think.
@KulikSebastian7 жыл бұрын
awesome CAD! Ill switch to it from Altium...hahahahahahahahaaaa
@fearlabsaudio78157 жыл бұрын
Dave, since you're at it.... Labcenter PROTEUS might be a great one to review!!!!
@High_Altitude_Observer7 жыл бұрын
KiCAD is waaay better.
@philiphoeffer74427 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it really is a PCB123 file. If i recall correctly it used a .pcb extension ( ~10 year old memory ).
@irgski7 жыл бұрын
Altium Designer 14 "starts" at USD$7,245!!!
@punker4Real7 жыл бұрын
Are you running this on windows 95 this oftware reminds me of that
@stevenbliss34677 жыл бұрын
Hey, don't go knocking Delphi :) It's way better than anything else, especially M$ crap. ...and don'y even mention ancient C++
@alexmackuk7 жыл бұрын
Lazarus brings all the benefits of Delphi and RAD but for free. You can also cross develop for Linux or even the Raspberry Pi.
@hgbugalou7 жыл бұрын
Steven Bliss M$? Are you 16 and time traveling from 1999? . Net may not be your thing but its not crap.
@bugeats7 жыл бұрын
What PCB design software represents the current state of the art?
@priestblood7 жыл бұрын
you can open pcb files with circuit wizard 1 and 2 which has four programs in it its very good easy to find free full copys
@dextrodemon7 жыл бұрын
yeah looks like visual basic 5, or one of the other ones before 6, but the rest of visual studio looked the same anyhow.
@mattsadventureswithart57647 жыл бұрын
Love Kevin Bloody Wilson. Big wave from Scotland :D
@Grcbyte7 жыл бұрын
Yes, receive it :)
@pldaniels7 жыл бұрын
Nice and costly - mmm... Windows only? It's interesting, when I was going through Uni back in '90->onwards Windows was being widely trashed out as a toy-OS that couldn't run any of this stuff (among a UNIX env); now it seems the tables are turned and things like Linux are having to claw their way back :\ At least things like gerbv, Eagle, KiCAD (?) and OpenBoardView are now there for macOS / Linux :)
@downtroddendave8607 жыл бұрын
In the first half of the 90s Windows wasn't even an OS, lol. Windows 95 (the first windows that was an OS, came out in '95), midway through the '90s and DOS sure wasn't seen as a "toy-OS", nor was Windows95. Granted, perhaps the people at your Uni with which you mingled called it a toy-OS, I'm sure people said a lot of things and I remember the DOS vs. Windows conversations taking place LONG before Windows was even an OS (which many laughed at, the conversations, since many of the speakers obviously had no clue... since Windows wasn't even an OS at that point)... I will say that DOS sure didn't/couldn't do the things a *nix OS could do. As far as Linux having to claw anything back... again, Linux didn't come out at all until the early 90s... and had no real following until the mid 90s, about the same time as Windows95... Anyway... I'll presume you meant *nix instead of Linux by name. As far as where *nix ruled the domain... it still does... and it has made headway into eating the desktop market too. Sure, there used to be more companies that used *nix desktops, such as the Spark, but if we want to loosen the terms enough to include offerings from Sun et al, then we should also be including offerings from Apple... since MacOS runs on Darwin... which is a cousin to BSD... and if yuo believe the hype from Apple marketing, MacOS is in many businesses. For whatever it's worth... this is a Linux household... no Windows OS here.
@pldaniels7 жыл бұрын
Fear not, I do remember back to the days of pre-Windows Layer on DOS (DickSmith VZ200 and Wizard starter here, never had a CAT though, but got to use MicroBees and the Apple II's ) Linux household here, novels written in LaTeX as a bonus but repairing Windows and macOS systems are the income makers. You're right about Linux not getting real traction until mid 90's. Was '96 before I picked up Slackware. I remember when MS Office came out, and in spite of the great war, WP51 and Lotus123 sadly faded out :( MSOffice was an amazing bit of kit that spearheaded the change on the desktop/home imo. Right, I'm verbally wandering now - will be good to see more commercial EDA stuff appearing in the linux realm, it's also good to see many OpenSource packages picking up their game and realising they have to do more than just a "hack job" at the UI (though I'm still griping at KiCAD and hugging on to my Eagle 7.x ).
@sternberk7 жыл бұрын
Hello playing with Japanese software, have you ever tried Cadstar from zuken, I am kind of in front of choosing software for my classes, we used PADS in the past, Eagle last few years, we want to go for something more “adult” I have ended up with last three adepts: PADS from mentor graphics (I don’t like, we had stability issues) Altium (most of companies around are using) Cadstar, nice policy and useable free version for small projects. Or maybe I will stick with eagle, it is just one semester class and I want to focus on PCB design rules and not on teaching software, eagle is extremely ease to learn and to work with. In this time argument for question why we are using this software, I can answer “because you said so” ;) No kidding, but your opinion is more valuable, compared to marketing offices. Thank you, Pavel.
@enginerdy7 жыл бұрын
YEESSSSS SPINNING PCB! But if you do that you need to bring back the theme song! :)
@PilchPlays7 жыл бұрын
Looks like it was programed with Visual C++ for Windows 98.
@leppie7 жыл бұрын
It uses .NET 1.1 as Dave mentioned, maybe some mixed bits
@Wilksey377 жыл бұрын
.pcb is associated with Cadstar amongst some others.
@Mrflash2220067 жыл бұрын
Accel or express pcb should be able to open *.pcb files
@maicod7 жыл бұрын
Did you have a bad hair day Dave :)
@WouterWeggelaar7 жыл бұрын
I'm getting strong protel99 vibes!
@JohnGotts7 жыл бұрын
Be careful about complaining about software based upon the widget set. I see hardware people do this quite a bit. Who cares about the widget set if the functionality is there? In the embedded sector, we're still at Windows XP in many cases, special versions of which are supported by Microsoft for another decade. I believe you hardware people still use twenty year old processors when it is expedient. Every module in your car doesn't need to be running a 16 core Intel processor.
@jeromekerngarcia7 жыл бұрын
Hoi Dave, this moight be a good place to ask -- "what's a good EDA suite for me to get started with?" - It will need to be affordable, able to handle 4 layers say, and 150 mm by 150 mm. board, arbitrary # of connections" Analog & Digital
@cycnus7 жыл бұрын
Maybe give KiCAD a real honest try. If you stick with it, you'll have a powerful EDA, for free, for life. Check out videos from Contextual Electronics. If it's good enough for CERN, it's should be good enough for most of us. Not the flashiest software available but it has no limitations and nearly the features of high-end EDA, and it's continuously improved. If you'd prefer something a bit less clunky and reasonably priced, Diptrace is decent and has lots of parts. Beyond that, I would probably go for Altium's CircuitStudio. It has most of the features of the high-end version but is still kind of affordable (US$995). These days, I wouldn't bother with Eagle, too expensive for 4-layer boards and subscription only, requiring an always-on internet connection. Lots of online EDA tools. Some quite decent and reasonably priced, but again, you are at the mercy of an internet connection and if the company goes bust or changes focus, you're basically screwed. Bottom line is spend time evaluating various packages. Once committed, it's unlikely you'll switch again as they all take time to learn well. If you're strapped for cash or would prefer to spend it on something else than a license, go for KiCAD. It's hard to beat free.
@Mythricia19887 жыл бұрын
I'd vote for DipTrace as well, it's probably the EDA package that most closely follows the "principle of least surprise" out of all the low-mid range pickings. That is to say, if you want to do something in DipTrace, it's usually very self-evident, and you don't have to alt-tab and google "How do I do " every 60 seconds like some other packages. KiCAD is also good in this regard, but I found it harder to understand than DipTrace, personally. Eagle gave me a brain hemorrhage in 5 minutes, I would rather not do electronics than have to use that horrific torture implement.
@xxwookey7 жыл бұрын
Right, I'm surprised I had to scroll down so far to fdind someone mentioning KiCAD. Proprietary tools are all very nice (well some of them are), but not being tied in is worth a great deal and KiCAD is pretty good and has some nice interfacing with FreeCAD for 3D manufacture layout. Works on whichever machine you use (linux/windows/mac). Part libraries is the thing that has always held the free tools back, because everyone is still providing footprints and dimensions for proprietary stuff, but this is changing, and in the long term, open formats will win.
@RobertBardos7 жыл бұрын
Sweet video very interesting
@timturner76097 жыл бұрын
rofl my ass off. Rootin in the back of the ute was my first thought too
@TradieTrev7 жыл бұрын
hahahahaha Kevin bloody wilson is the bomb!
@punker4Real7 жыл бұрын
did not get the notification
@gotj7 жыл бұрын
Show a little more respect for others' people work, thank you very much.
@RobTheSquire7 жыл бұрын
i've got that rootin song.. and the albums and i laugh so hard listening to them.. Can`t Say Cunt In Canada..- Fuck Ya Guts Out.. also my uncle had the t-shirt for that one with me and ewe
@livingdaystodaze62017 жыл бұрын
Err... Weird I got unsubbed and missed #967 thought you had just taken a couple days off.
@dougmanatt43177 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it looks like the borland graphics
@Diamonddrake7 жыл бұрын
Dave when you are showing websites on screen capture, can you zoom in on the pages? Ctrl+ in browser, or hold control and scroll wheel up, or menu, zoom. It's incredibly difficult to read the tiny text along with you.
@TheEasytoker7 жыл бұрын
Kevin wilson awesome!
@hub9377 жыл бұрын
What do you think about Design Spark PCB which is free?
@marvin199667 жыл бұрын
hub93 IT SUCKS MULTIPLE ARSES AVOID AT ALL COSTS KEEP DISTANCE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY
@joeambly68077 жыл бұрын
marvin fuck oiff
@hub9377 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I was curious about other people's opinion on it. It seems I'm not alone. ;)
@marvin199667 жыл бұрын
it truly is the most horrible piece of software i've ever used. just try it, you'll see
@joopterwijn7 жыл бұрын
Real modern flip phone one main site.....
@KasunTalwatta7 жыл бұрын
Those buttons do look like delphi though ..
@pldaniels7 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same ( and I see Dave also felt that ) but the widgets don't seem *quite* right, unless memory is tricking me again.
@EEVblog7 жыл бұрын
It's been close to 20 years since I used Delphi!
@pldaniels7 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's the difference between earlier and older Delphi releases. I mostly remember Delphi v2~3. Didn't see anything much of it after Borland's marketing department committed harakiri with the name change [ to Inprise ]
@klh_io7 жыл бұрын
I was a Delphi developer for quite some time. Can't say if it is in fact Delphi, because everything in there is just standard Windows controls - it may as well be written in C++.
@shakaibsafvi977 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with Altium ! :) I have a question.... someone please tell me how various CAD tools are able to import files from other CAD tools? shouldn't the file format for a specific CAD tool be proprietary information?
@EEVblog7 жыл бұрын
With great difficultly, that's how.
@shakaibsafvi977 жыл бұрын
EEVblog : no really Dave... I'd like to know.... is it reverse engineering? or you hire the software dude from the other company?
@pldaniels7 жыл бұрын
I'd love access to the BINARY specification for the PADs .pcb file format. I've got the ASCII/plain-text/.asc format in a nice pdf file but the binary one eludes me. Need it to add to my software.
@EEVblog7 жыл бұрын
Even proper importers don't magically work. ECAD software and their libraries and idiosyncrasies are a PITA. This is why no one switches CAD software willy-nilly.
@shakaibsafvi977 жыл бұрын
wouldn't there be legal issues in trying to decode 3rd party file formats?
@wolvenar7 жыл бұрын
nice
@simonhopkins38677 жыл бұрын
fucking legend; -)
@bryceschug4867 жыл бұрын
Sixth?
@alch3myau7 жыл бұрын
I dont like it :(
@watermelon95887 жыл бұрын
5
@DrakkarCalethiel7 жыл бұрын
10th view! Jokes aside. Guys no matter what I try my ZVS circuit just wont resonate after transport. I've checked all diodes, zeners and mosfets, they are all fine. also the caps are fine. What could be wrong? I've soldered all on a PCB if that matters . I hope someone can help me.
@khronscave7 жыл бұрын
KZbin might not be the optimal place to ask for circuit design tips, i think...
@DrakkarCalethiel7 жыл бұрын
KhronX I know. Just curious because it bugs me since last Tuesday and I can't find the fault. Maybe it's time to create an account at the eevblog forums.
@khronscave7 жыл бұрын
It definitely wouldn't hurt. Either there, and/or on badcaps.net.
@LasVegasVocalist7 жыл бұрын
First Comment! LOL
@davidmaiolo7 жыл бұрын
Yawwwn. If i don't see a PCB under a microscope and you tweaking your tongue during the episode i find them boring
@EEVblog7 жыл бұрын
It's in the title and description, you didn't have to watch a software video