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[@randysmith7094]

Personally, I'm sick of hearing Pi Zero called a $5 computer. I can't find it anywhere for under $45. If you can't get it anywhere for $5 then it not a fucking $5 computer!

[@raul0ca]

Four years later and supply is still limitef

[@JoshuaNicoll]

man, you don't sound so good, are you alright? Get well soon you hear me?

[@Vnifit]

YOU HEAR ME? IF YOU DON'T GET BETTER I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL...

[@Meneltour27]

+Corporate Sellout ... come over there and beat the health into you? jokes aside get well soon man

[@miketel01]

Dave sounds like he has a cold. Take a rest Dave . Go home and rest

[@jope7137]

He lives in Australia. Winter is coming...

[@jerryscanas]

Jack frost is Jacking of all over his lawn

[@krisztianszirtes5414]

I've got a pi 2 from my cousin for my birthday a few days ago. And now Dave just HAD to upload this :D

[@stryk187]

The Allwinner ARM proc's have crap support from what I've been able to find out, particularly in the open source world. From the sound of it, this is not something that can be remedied without manufacturer support, which I hear Allwinner is downright terrible at. Many other SBC's that use Allwinner chips have the same issues (Banana Pi, PINE64, etc.)

[@CAZinAustralia]

I thought the allwinner series were popular among emmbeded pensource projects. Do you know how they compare to say broadcom opensourceness for there SOC. Couldnt even find any data for the broadcom chips.

[@stryk187]

CAZinAustralia I'm far from an expert, but I have done a fair amount of cursory research into the various different types and models of SBCs. What I've gathered so far is that (as Dave said in the video) Raspberry Pi is far-and-away the winner in terms of support, community, and ease of use. RPis are powered by Broadcom ARM proc's which are closed-source, yet there is an extensive amount of software, libraries, and tools already available for anyone to use. The models that use Allwinner chips (of which there are a LOT - especially with SBCs out of Asia) do so because of cost. The Allwinner ARM chips are cheap and readily available (they'll sell them to anyone I guess, and Broadcom will not sell to the public at all and many have tried - they even turn down people wanting to order thousands upon thousands of dollars worth). Now I'm not a programmer, so I may be speaking out of turn here, but from what I can gather on forums and such is that Allwinner refuses to provide binary blobs for their ARM processors (or maybe the stuff needed to generate the blobs, as I said I'm no coder, but it's something to do with them, I think)-- which I gather is a critical piece of the pie needed to design software for them -- especially low-level stuff, particularly O/S's. I'm not sure how much the datasheets come in to play with this issue -- but they've been publicly available since day 1 and yet nobody has resolved these issues to the best of my knowledge. EDIT: Also, one HUGE thing I forgot to mention is that the GPU portion on some of these cheap Allwinner ARM boards is straight up garbage (this may have been fixed with newer revisions of ARM chips, I'm not totally sure). Like bad... BAD BAD, really bad. And Allwinner has been of ZERO help trying to fix this. There are a lot of people on these single-board enthusiast forums that flat-out refuse to use anything Allwinner because of this - among other stuff.

[@TheUbuntuGuy]

I worked with a SBC called the CubieBoard, which used an Allwinner A20. The support was so terrible that we eventually scrapped all 20 boards we bought and went with RPis. Trust me, we tried for over a year to make everything work.

[@nid817]

Allwinner's are fine for CPU stuff due to the excellent sunxi community. The graphics stuff is universally terrible in the arm world, so no one wins there (unless you switch to android) or use the raspi which has limited (old) opengl support. So depends what you want to do.

[@Kamtar34]

It's a classic cheap product from china designed for their local crapy phones and tablets. It isnt usable in any serious product. For hobby okay but thats all.

[@smartydix]

Totally predicted that allwinner pun. Anyway, thanks for sharing the armbian builds, I'll need them soon. I'd sure enjoy more videos on this, especially how to go around putting on a heatsink.

[@gglovato]

Dave, why did you compare it with the rpi2 instead of the rpi3. The 3 has the same price but is a quad cortex a53 64b which is substantially faster than the rpi2(2-25x). Also has wifi and bt and a whole gig of ram.that's the best comparison

[@jtn191]

agreed!

[@Subcode]

Yeah i don't get it either, its been out for a bit now. Why compare an older model.

[@JohnBargman]

The Orange PI is designed to be equivalent to a PI2, thus it's lack of Wifi, blutooth, etc. It's also closer to a PI2 from a hardware point of view.

[@hellterminator]

+John Bargman So? I don't care how well the company making it achieved their objective of competing with the RPi 2. What I care about is how it measures up to current devices on the market. That's like saying you should never compare the RPi 3 with an RPi 2 because the RPi 2 was designed to compete with the B+, so that's the only device we're allowed to ever compare it to.

[@gglovato]

***** exactly, since the rpi3 is THE SAME PRICE as the rpi2, it essentially replaces it directly, making any comparison with the rpi2 obsolete.

[@KrzysztofDziuba----1-2-3]

I ordered One because Pi Zero was not available at the moment. I wanted to connect it to the 1024x768 LCD panel from old laptop by HDMI. There is an issue as video driver doesn't support 'PC' resolutions (1024x768, 1280x1024, etc...), generally modern 16:9 resolutions (like HD, Full HD, etc...). There are build-able kernel sources, so I thought that there could be easy way to add additional mode. So I found that there are two tables that have to be modified: one is general modeline settings where timings can be easily generated using freely available modeline generators (e.g. for X11). Unfortunately there is another table where values are strictly connected to the registers in HDMI module inside SoC. Unfortunately Allwinner H3 documentation is missing chapter that describes these registers. I found some 'hack' that modifies existing 720p and 1080p resolutions but this doesn't work correctly - my Dell monitor reports some strange resolution. So be aware that there are quirks and it is not so open sourced....

[@mikk150]

As far as I know RPI2 is now fully open-source, CPU doc is up in the web and VideoCore drivers are now open-source as well(couple of kernel releases ago it happened)

[@briansonof]

What's wrong with the publically-available bcm2835 peripherals data sheet again? It's 200 pages and covers everything that's not generic ARM....

[@EEVblog]

It's not the full datasheet , end of story.

[@grogyan]

If you are comparing Pi Vs Pi, consider the ODroid SBC which is similar priced to the PI2 but much better in many ways

[@elfenmagix8173]

The OS on the Orange PC will work on the Orange Pi One, Orange Pi Lite and Orange Pi Mini (no longer made); they all share the same memory map though some hardware is missing, like a PC with cards. Examine the board under a magnifying glass, you can add ports to the smaller boards as the pads for the ports are still there.

[@indask8]

Probably already said in the comment but the Rpi Zero isn't Cortex A7, it's an ARM11 much older cpu architecture.

[@ZLau13]

A little correction: The Pi Zero has an ARM11 (armv6) processor, so _at least_ one generation older than Cortex-A7!

[@tarstarkusz]

What about that heat problem? How much worse is this going to be when you try to put the all close together? Do you think a short passive heat sink could bring this temp down significantly?

[@EEVblog]

That requires another video and some controlled tests, and will vary with the case used.

[@tarstarkusz]

But isn't height a problem here?

[@Nukle0n]

Crikey what happened to your voice?

[@HandleShandle]

But how does it compare to Raspberry Pi 3? The leap from Cortex A7 to Cortex A53 is big one, but it would be nice to see that comparison as well :)

[@joelholdsworth]

Dave: great to see you getting into all this open source stuff. For a long time a lot of EE guys don't really want to touch it, which is a shame because there's so much awesome stuff to be done with it.

[@MacoveiVlad]

I'm not exactly sure how it works but i've seen a video about the Raspberry Pi saying that the colored square in the corner of the display means under voltage. And a black square means over voltage. Or something like this. So it looks like the Pi does not like the power it is supplied with.

[@kazriko]

One Hung Lo ARM computer, complete with massive security holes and overheating. The Raspberry Pi drivers though are completely open source. You might not be able to get the datasheet, but you can definitely modify any part of the software system. I heard that parts of the Orange Pi are actually closed source drivers. There's all kinds of licensing compliance issues with Allwinner's closed source binaries as well. How does it compare to the RPi3 in performance per watt? RPi3 is about 40-50% faster than the RPi 2 for the same price.

[@1Hippo]

Thats right, there is for example only a binary GPU driver available (if you need hardware acceration / 3D) and the 3.4 Linux Kernel in these legacy Armbian build is really old, there are efforts from other people (nothing from Allwinner) to support the H3 SoC in Linux mainline, but it has still a lot of issues, USB support is planned in 4.7...

[@kazriko]

The GPU on the RPi is one of the few with a full open source 3d stack as a high performance option, even if that does mean that RPi is stuck with that GPU until they manage to get another GPU open-sourced. AMD's headed that way though with their OpenGPU efforts. I'd love to see a passively-cooled quad-puma or zen embedded chip with 1-2 GCN CU's on a raspberry pi competitor. Something to replace my ancient E350 board. I'm not going to hold my breath though!

[@tsobf242]

The drivers might be OSS, but there's a decent amount of closed source firmware you have to use

[@blcollier]

And therein lies the difference between Pi boards and all the others that are coming out of the woodwork: if the drivers are open source that means I can port them to newer kernel versions and I'm not at the whim of a company that may or may not continue to support their products. Srsly, kernel version 3.4 in Armbian? That's /four years/ old...

[@kazriko]

+tsobf242 which one are you referring to?

[@followthetrawler]

looking forward to your video on building the cluster

[@AzCcc]

Hi Dave, Since this is a new product why not comparing it to to the raspberry pi 3? what am I missing here, is it because rpi3 uses a different architecture (A53 Vs A7)?

[@ElmerFuddGun]

I'll stick with the official RPi models. Extra headaches, security risks, Chinese websites, and EXTREME CPU heat is enough to stay away. That being said... if I was serious about using a bunch (10+) all in the same design then maybe I would try it. But to save $15 on one just isn't worth it and I would prefer to support the Foundation and their goals.

[@cbm80amiga]

Consider that Orange Pi has much better SoC than RPi. Faster USB and hw ethernet. Also CPU is better, and GPU and VPU allows smooth 4k video playback.

[@hassiaschbi]

Thats exactly my thought too. I plan to put around 20 to 30 of them as nodes for data acquirement in the worksop plus a few 8 bit mcu´s for each of the nodes.

[@izzieb]

All I can say is I like Odroid.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

I hear you but saving a few bucks isn't worth it for small quantity uses. For most people 1080p is good enough especially considering most will be using 1080 monitors or TVs. Don't get me wrong it is great to have competition but I don't think the Orange Pi wins for the reasons I mentioned above. Flat out performance isn't my goal (it may be yours) as much as reliability and low power are.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

+hassiaschbi - yep for 20 or 30 then it may be worth the hassles to save $15 per unit. BUT if it was for a business use I would bet that that $300 savings still might not be worth the trouble if it takes more than a day of work for a single employee to convert the project to Orange Pi from a working RPi setup. If you need that little extra boost in performance AND if you can keep that CPU cool (ie. reliable) it may be the right move. Lots of things to consider besides immediate component costs and it's not likely a clear cut decision either way. Hope you will show your setup when it is finished!

[@GeorgeOu]

Can you do a flash memory performance test for sequential and 4K random read/write? And what about network throughput? I'll post my own tests soon.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

A more accurate power consumption comparison might be to mount a heat sink and fan and see how much fan power is required to keep the CPU at the same temperature as the RPi going full tilt. 90°+ is just crazy hot! The Orange Pi is fast but most of us likely want reliability first. IMHO.

[@DidierBrems]

HI, I made the same test on a Rasperry PI 3, it beats the Orange Pi One. The timings are, for the cpu 4 threads : 46.4241s , and for the memory test 6.6755 s.

[@rubber20021]

no mention of the black berry -elderberry., the one that handles data at 750MHz proc speed.

[@JohnGotts]

The Orange Pi hardware is also available on banggood.com. If you buy Orange Pi hardware, don't forget to get the specific power cable it requires. It plugs directly into any USB port. Cost is negligible, a couple of bucks.

[@0xBene]

Yes, and you can get it on www.gearbest.com too.

[@fuelvolts]

No relevant results when I search "orange pi" on that site.

[@0xBene]

If you respond to me, here you go: www.gearbest.com/boards-shields/pp_314651.html

[@winstonsmith478]

"The Orange Pi hardware is also available on banggood.com." I don't see it. Gearbest has an Orange Pi, not the One.

[@TheOneWhoMightBe]

To me, "Banggood" always sounds like it's a Chinese Adult Educational Website. Horrible name.

[@Alex-je6od]

Not a fan of the allwinner chipsets. They're definitely a lot more open, but their bootloader process is *extremely* difficult. The AW chipset expects a special bootsector + binary blob on the sdcard at a fixed location. You have to use their proprietary tools to get it there.

[@k20ftw1]

The orange Pi one is available on Amazon, at least in the USA, for $17.99 with free prime shipping.

[@jimporter]

One thing to remember when it comes to cost is that Raspberry Pi is a foundation, a U.K. Charity that spends much of that income on developing learning research. All these Chinese copies etc that are riding on the platforms are effectively taking income from a charity and not adding much of their own.

[@ExStaticBass]

Dave, what do you know about thermal epoxies? I've been looking for a good one for a while now. Hit or miss just isn't working. What do you recommend for a permanent heatsink solution?

[@davidedmonds3884]

Hi Dave, the BBC in the UK is giving a BBC micro:bit computer to all year 7 school children to get involved in electronics. It might be worth checking this out.

[@thomasbaumann694]

@EEVBlog: Have you tried to access the GPIO Pins already? Specially using Python. Also using I2C and TWI

[@ElmerFuddGun]

Biggest problem with the RPi Zero is you can't get it!!! I think the Foundation just did it as a gimmick to compete with the other Kickstarter $5 computer and they just don't care to meet the demand. Even with stock alerts it sells out before you can order it. Or you have to order some kit for 8x the price. So not good if you want 5 or something. RPi Zero has been a big disappointment.

[@brandonfesser1893]

Two words: Micro Center. If you're not in the US, seek out an equivalent shop.

[@_Piers_]

+Brandon Fesser Sadly we don't have any retail stores carrying Pi Zeros in the UK. You'd think they would be easier to get here than anywhere else...but nope. They just need to bump the price up until its profitable enough to produce in bulk. Or better yet, just let the Chinese do it for them.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

Thank for the tip but I couldn't find it on their online store and there is no close store to me to go and check.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

Wow, of all the places I would expect to find RPi products would be the UK! It's sad that they continue to Tweet about what has been made with it, etc. but you can't find it anywhere! The reason I want some (ie. more than one) is because they are cheap. BUT that being said, I would gladly pay a bit more to actually get some! I mean they could increase the profit on the Pi Zero by 50% by increasing the price to $6 assuming there is $2 per unit of profit to be made by the Foundation and the sellers. Make it more profitable and start selling them! The Zero has been zero fun when there are zero easily available!

[@brandonfesser1893]

The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a non-profit. They are producing them "in bulk", they're just staggering the release to try to fight the scalping issues they had with past releases.

[@shiroikin]

Fairly new to this channel and not entirely sure of what everything dave is talking about, just enjoy looking at all the electronics. What exactly would you use these boards for?

[@cyoungso]

I tried using armbian, but I get no hdmi output to the monitor. SSH CLI works fine

[@DJignyte]

Ooooh, cant wait to watch you start building this cluster. I'm excited! Great stuff, Dave!

[@kingfish600]

I bought 4 orange pi pc's when they first came out. The ARMbian and Openelec(Jacer) builds are great but be aware that it will play HEVC x.265 but not with 10bit and 4k stutters sometimes. There is also a lot of development going on on the orange pi Facebook page like Retropi and Pubuntu.

[@yakacm]

what's the point of having a faster cpu if u risk thermal shutdown if you run it hard? Maybe that's why they chose a slower clock speed for the rasp pi 2 in the first place, the pi 3 is out now anyway.

[@cbm80amiga]

Dave, wrong - Orange Pi PC has in fact 4 USBs, one of them is in microUSB form and is OTG capable which you cannot have on RPi.

[@wald01979]

And you think the Orange Pi's micro-firmware or firmware isn't backdoored?

[@GeorgeOu]

Thanks for the quick review. I've never had issues ordering from Aliexpress. I got my Orange Pi One just one week from the time I ordered it with ePacket so I'm happy. Just be aware that the cost of shipping back to China is more than $30 from the US so you can forget about refunds.

[@DoRC]

Why wouldn't you be comparing this to the pi 3?

[@aljowen]

Is a cluster of these better than building a cheap low end small form factor desktop pc?

[@phreeze83]

how compatible is the retropie distro/frontend with emulationstation on the orange pi ? is it plug and play? or not at all?

[@CookingWithCows]

Could you use a USB hub so the only 1 USB connector doesn't matter so much? Or does the device not support that?

[@Space_Reptile]

what about the CHIP ? whys nobody talking about C.H.I.P.

[@CAZinAustralia]

Dosnt come out till June? Would love a CHIP vs Orange pi Vs Raspberry pi video though.

[@BenjaminGoose]

What's the difference between the CHIP and the C.H.I.P.?

[@EEVblog]

I love it how the LiPo battery costs more than the board!

[@Strawberrymaker]

+BenjaminGoose IIRC the performance is like the pi zero while costing more and comming with less. so yeah, obsolete

[@jgmrequel]

It comes with integrated 4GB storage, wireless and bluetooth, with it's own lipo connector and charging circuitry, all for 4 bucks more. Not that obsolete.

[@tonysofla]

Sigfox is coming to Australia through Thinxtra, research and show how a coin-cell radio transmitter can go 20KM. What product ideas do you have that could send 12bytes up to 100 times a day?

[@valveman12]

Where can you buy the orange pi for $10 or the raspberry Pi Zero for $5? I couldn't.

[@godonholiday]

Does the Orange Pi affect everyones voice like that? You didnt mention that in the downsides!

[@tahanprahara]

Dear Sir... I need you help... I want to make a webserver, Can I using this Orange Pi Supercompter cluster... ? Thank you

[@giorgiochiurato4122]

I bought that board due to a friend's advise. Well, it turned out to be quite a nice board for the first 3 minutes, then i checked system messages, just to be sure everything was working fine. It really wasn't. That nice ARISC error you can see in the video is caused by wrong setting of the builtin voltage regulator, which the developers assumed to be the same one as the Orange Pi PC, which actually isn't. So i said: "What can i do now?". Checked all orangepi's image, none of them worked properly: some freezed continuously, others didn't support ethernet connection, others didn't boot at all. Nice, now i have a board that even the producer didn't manage to run properly. Then i goggled a bit of infos and i came up with this site linux-sunxi.org/ (which is REALLY well written). And here you realize that the h3 SoC support in the Mainline Kernel still misses lots of features (such as voltage reguator, of course), and legacy kernel is pretty unstable. In the end, i certainly don't doubt about this board's capabilities, but i won't recoomend it to an average user, unless you want to cope with (difficult things here!!) kernel problems and do a bit of (even more difficult things here) kernel developing. I'm not an expert and i don't want to spent too much time on this, but maybe i'll try to contribute a bit. Yeah, it's really frustrating bros :) Hope this helps (feel free to ask for any question about my sad adventure).

[@farzadb82]

Dave, I know that with the Raspberry Pi's the ethernet is actually wired into the USB port so it's no really all that efficient for high bandwidth applications. Any ideas on whether the Orange Pi's ethernet is designed the same?

[@EEVblog]

Doesn't seem to be, goes straight into the PHY in the H3.

[@Subparanon]

I hope your throat feels better Dave. Sounds like you're getting over a cold.

[@markward4176]

will this board playback 1080p60 from youtube?

[@TheJohn8765]

Damn. That would make a great Kodi-computer. I really can't comprehend how much computing power you can get for a tenner. Crazy.

[@ShawnGuertin]

I have a TV box with an Alwinner H3 (Beelink X2) and it has a great hardware decoder, except it does not decode 10 bits video.

[@turboslag]

So I'm assuming this is $10 Oz, if so that would make it about £5 here in the UK, the cost of a monthly magazine! Therefore I was well up for getting one to play with, until, I found that it can't be had here for anywhere near that price. Try £15 minimum!

[@vehasmaa]

Up next cooling test of Orange Pi, how much cooling you need to run it full power...

[@VadimHarenco]

It would be nice if you would tell more about those supercomputer clusters

[@ermanoffermanoff2960]

Would you make videos about how you're making a supercomputer cluster?

[@BastetFurry]

5$ for the RPi0? Now that would be fine if you could get one for that. Even on release neither Reichelt nor Pollin where able to sell you one for, lets give them some slack here, 5€. Only as a kit with some cheap stuff that would have been cheaper if bought single. So, yeah. Send me a note when you can actually buy that thing for 5€ here in Germany.

[@M0UAW_IO83]

I managed to get two of them, without having to buy any extras apart from a very reasonable shipping charge, there'll be another tranche of them in stock in various suppliers this Wednesday so try again if you're interested. It'll take a week or two for all us Pi fans to stop hoovering up stock as soon as we see it. .

[@BastetFurry]

Well, Reichelt sells them only with two adapters for a whooping 14,50€. Thats far far away from 5€. www.reichelt.de/RASP-PI-ZERO/3/index.html?ARTICLE=162609

[@jesuishalil]

+Bastet Furry I ordered mine from the pi hut I think, 9 euros total due to shipping, Netherlands also, thought being your neighbour was close enough :P

[@M0UAW_IO83]

Well that sucks, but there are other distributors, Farnell and RS, Conrad etc. who will sell you just the board. Plenty of UK suppliers will ship them to Germany, Pi Hut for instance will sell you one for EU10.40 including shipping.

[@whydoihavetodothisannoying]

That's a problem in Germany with everything tech, all things are extremely overpriced compared to their MSRP. Everything from GPU's and CPU's down to the Pi3 and the Pi0. I saved ~200 Euro on my GPU's ordering from the US even with tax and customs on top and it got delivered faster than most of our parts retailers would manage. Even official Amazon is overpriced here.

[@BajanAlan]

Hi Dave Explaining Computers has done a series on cooling RP3, its very interisting

[@stevenhitt6954]

What about the Orange Pi performance vs the Raspberry Pi 3?

[@EEVblog]

I believe it's pretty equivalent.

[@Zane073]

+EEVblog The Pi 3 performs about 1.5 to 2x better than the Pi 2 www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/raspberry-pi-3-vs-pi-2 which would put it closer to the Orange Pi you tested (aside from video). It would be interesting to see the power and heat results!

[@Yemto]

I wonder how much mA the GPIO can handle, both for each pin and in total.

[@paulA0712]

Informative video, thanks!. Sounds like there are a lot of barriers to get started here. Maybe you could resell these as an eevblog-pi kit including a pre-imaged card and heatsink? Can you add bodge wires to power it from the usb port?

[@SatanicJamnic]

Hello! I have got Raspberry Pi 2, I'm a photographer and i really would like to create automatic backup SD-copier with R Pi2. Do you think, you could help me, make this device?

[@kshadehyaena]

Do you want to just copy everything from one card onto another, duplicating them? That's just one command in Linux. Most difficult part would probably be the user interface, if you want to carry it around without a keyboard & monitor.

[@TheBreadboardca]

The latest Jessie distro for the Raspberry PI has SD card backup and other new cool features

[@SatanicJamnic]

kshade I would like to copy files from SD to 2,5 hdd by pressing the button on the box. LED should light up green when process completed.

[@reviewsfornoobs]

they are selling Orange Pi One on ebay for like 23nzd worth it ? one thing i don't like is you cant power by the usb i bet in 10 years we will have full 4k gaming pcs as small as a say a cassette tape

[@indersingh3210]

Great Video Dave ! One interesting thing to me is that the H3 has an Ethernet Interface built-in, but the chip the Pi 2 uses does not. It uses a separate Ethernet controller. So, if you wish to do a bare metal program and use ethernet then you need to first write a bare metal USB program ! Which is really painful. Of course, then these things were probably never designed with the bare metal aspect in mind (its a little stupid on these anyways, but some people might want to use it that way)

[@JLSoftware]

Um - you kinda skipped over the part where you connect it to a display. HDMI I presume?

[@samfedorka5629]

X over SSH? RDP? VNC? There's lots of ways to get graphical data out of a computer without the use of a video port.

[@Megabobster]

+Sam Fedorka If it's a supercomputer cluster thing I doubt he cares about video data.

[@JLSoftware]

Sam Fedorka All right, I give up. I expected this video to tell me how to use this thing if I bought one. But we see him pointing out the various pieces on the board and then we see a screen booting Linux, with a mouse and presumably a keyboard. Tell me I'm not supposed to be confused.

[@nonsuch]

You can buy them on Ebay US as well.

[@bluephreakr]

So basically Dave, you're saying _without_ your information, we'd have a harder time. What you probably didn't anticipate, is that now a lot of people using the Orange Pi One will be using Armbian for the OPi1 thanks to this video.

[@Beall619]

Your raspberry pi 0 picture is old. New Pi 0 has camera module support for same price

[@RenThraysk]

Like how the heatsink is an optional extra. That's some scrimping and saving there.

[@ab.3800]

the errors look like some kinda bug with the built in cpu scaling system, probably a way to disable that

[@poldek3332]

Could you do an ep. on adaptive fast/quick charging?

[@johndrachenberg2254]

11:50 "Because I'm going to build a supercomputer cluster..." to run BOINC. No, Dave, you're not. Go ahead and do it for fun, but if your goal is to actually contribute data to SETI@home, you'll need a decently powered GPU to do so. It's comparable to shipping 10 tons of products across the country via moped. Sure, you could do it, but you'd be a fool not to use a semi-truck.

[@_Piers_]

...but it would be much more fun by moped.

[@johndrachenberg2254]

Rizon1985 LOL. Lay off the flux fumes, buddy.

[@Poctyk]

>et's hope it doesn't end up like the Sinclair C5 restoration. What? I am new here.

[@ZLau13]

Anyone with experience of Allwinner boards? I've found the Raspberry Pi GPU drivers to be totally superb: nice, simple accelerated composition system, OpenGL not buggy, even supports hardware decoding video to a texture! How's the GPU side of these Allwinner boards? After the hassle of installing the mali driver, does it work well, does it have to be tied to X11, and how does one get an OpenGL ES 2.0 context to render with?

[@Stabby666]

Dave, you know the Pi 3 is out now? It has been available for quite a while, and is substantially faster than the Pi 2, for the same price.

[@adamlives]

no mention of the current Raspberry Pi 3 ?? Too exe? Compared to the Raspberry Pi 2 it has: A 1.2GHz 64-bit quad-core ARMv8 CPU 802.11n Wireless LAN Bluetooth 4.1 Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)

[@sebastianheyn4886]

Have you played around with the GPU on the opi?

[@surajbhawal2474]

hey Dave, have you checked the gpios... do they work?

[@shadow7037932]

I wonder why they don't make something like this with a high end SoC like say a Snapdragon 820. Yes, I know there are dev boards/kits using more powerful SoCs, but they aren't as readily available or mass produced.

[@Rider0fBuffalo]

The orange pi site no longer has that nice list of roms. Only has orange pi os. Anyonee know of such a list?

[@juanag7908]

Oh men, the R.Pi 3 has a 4 core arm8 wich is much better than the arm7 so i dont understand why you compare to the raspberry two, the three model has been in the market for a while and it comes much more earlier than the zero that you mention

[@danc8278]

How does the pwr efficiency compare to the Pi 3?

[@borthewolf3376]

What you should be looking for as an amateur, is a good support community. The cost, design and speed are unimportant. You need a forum where you can ask a question and get help if you are stuck, where you meet many thousands enthusiast fellow hobbyist and professionals. That is the best guarantee for fast successes.

[@krissisk4163]

I recently used an Orange Pi One for a project. Here's my thoughts on it: It's a good little board, but I would only recommend it to people comfortable with Linux as their everyday desktop OS. Also, screw all the images on the Orange Pi site. Like he says, grab an image for it from Armbian. You'll save yourself a lot of headache. There's also an Instructables post on using the GPIO on the Orange Pi One that I consider indispensable. Unfortunately I don't have the link handy, but Google is your friend. Overall I will probably be buying several more of them. They're cheap enough to keep a couple around for when I'm bored and get hit with an idea for a project.

[@ElNeroDiablo]

It'd be interesting to see the Orange Pi and Raspberry Pi 2 face off against the PINE A64 that was on Kickstarter, as I've actually got a few of the A64's coming my way being a backer of the project.

[@qzorn4440]

Very nice OPi vs RPi info. 🥰 I have a new Orange Pi5 + GPU running Debian Bullseye. How are the Orange Pi-5 GPIO pins used in a Python Thonny program? I am running some Raspberry Pi4 OpenCV camera programs on the Orange Pi-5 and the servo PWM Pan/Tilt is a mystery to me? With "gpio readall" it displayed the GPIO pins. Now how to make a Python program? PS I don't understand why Orange Pi has so little examples after all these years of selling these interesting SBCs? Seems like a close user's group of knowledge? 😎 Thank you.

[@Evgeny1]

You don't need to use sudo command when your system or terminal running us root

[@MithatKonar]

It's probably worth mentioning that Allwinner doesn't have the best GPL compliance record, and most recently the Register has reported that their kernel ships with what appears to be a backdoor (as Dave mentions). Seriously wet-towels my Allwinner enthusiasm.

[@cody9089]

can you overlock the orange pi one like the raspberry pi?

[@System0Error0Message]

the orangepi plus 2 says it has gigabit ethernet and 2GB ram which is an improvement compared to the raspberry pi 2 as it uses ARM A7. Has anyone verified that it actually is capable of gigabit ethernet as some connect gigabit ethernet via usb 2 instead of PCIe.

[@aggourinzavon5440]

Great! Thanks for the video! I already subscribe to your channel! I am wondering how safe is the armbian and how safe is the distros that have in the orange pi website. I just need to duild something for email facebook and other acounts login machine, instead of use my pc for light use.... From your thoughts seems that the armbian is more secure , but i need to double check it...Any ideas?

[@PainterVierax]

Armbian builds are on github and it's build on the Linux-sunxi community development, this is opensource except a proprietary drivers for display. Both are quite reputed and reliable.

[@nadav955]

What about temporary sbc? Thanks advanced:)

[@Ccs4646]

Get Well Soon Dave!

[@cf9870]

I was about to throw my one out until I watched this, Thanks Dave! My issue was just not being used to waiting that long until an led to turn on (Face-palm!), I had to power my one on for around 30 seconds until it showed any signs of life. Also, the monitor on my test bench is 1920x1200, so blank screen, had to SSH in to set the resolution, unfortunately, it only supports 16:9 not 16:10 as far as I can tell, so left with a strange mirror image at the bottom of the screen. Im working on a project where we need 300 Raspberry Pi's, Thought this would saved us a good few quid, but I recon Ill stick to the Pi. Much less hassle and far more support. Has potential tho.

[@matsv201]

I was woundering.... Would you be able to make a render cluster out of that? Just put a 100 of those in a box... would it compeate with a normal I7? Cant really find any good data... Also.. the memory... well it might be to little memory for a render? But if they could swap it down to a 8GB SD card, that might help. I never had any problem with Ali express... regestered once... worked for half a year... just one click, and its in your mailbloc 2-3 weeks later.

[@1Hippo]

I did some tests with ffmpeg (pure CPU video encoding) on my i5 ivy bridge Pc and compared to a RPi2 the i5 is about 20-30 times faster.

[@matsv201]

Hippo Well.. its not that bad... I wounder ifs someone makes boards with like 10 of those processors on connected via a 100/1000Mbit swich.... But coding video is one thing... rendering would be far more intresting to my mind

[@1Hippo]

But if you need GPU power for that it gets worse, the top ARM SoC is already about 100 times slower than desktop grahics cards... and the Pi is a lot slower (35$ Board against 200$+ Boxes). So i dont think that a cluster is good idea.

[@matsv201]

Hippo Well... most renderer dont work that good on GPU rendering.. so running pure CPU is in quite a lot of cases still the best option. Having a good quantity of low clocked efficient CPU may be better than having one high clocked one

[@matsv201]

***** " I believe non of the *pi's get more than 1GFLOPS of performance" That seems not corect. The IPC should be at least 1. So its 4 cores @ 1.2Ghz it should give at least 5GFlops The performance of a Core i7 5960X was quite easy to find, about 350Gflops. But its quite a expensive CPU, well its not the newest one, but anyway. Have to have PSU, cases, MB, memory, boot drives and so on Software to run rendering on cluster arm processors does alreddy exist. The issue here is the amount of RAM.

[@dalekmun2010]

What a coincidence, I'm just building a little boxy thing for my orange pi one now. I utterly love the darn thing, just ordered four more. Can't wait for them to arrive. Anyway, box has 12v in from my solar, a 50w chinese 5v stepdown, the Oppai one, a little router/access point, a usb/sata adaptor, and a 2.5" running off the stepdown. On top of that the box's front panel has 2x USB ports running off the stepdown for charging stuff, an ethernet port on the front, and a big blue button as well. All this in a 10x10x18cm box. I wanna make more!

[@resneptacle]

Do you have a project website?

[@dalekmun2010]

JonasLue Nah, might throw up a page on hackaday.io when I'm done though.

[@resneptacle]

+Ryan Mitchell Cool

[@dalekmun2010]

JonasLue There ya go, made this up: hackaday.io/project/11877-somatic-private-server

[@JordyValentine]

Hi Ryan, sounds like a cool project you have going. I just wanted to let you know that these Allwinner chips have a developer backdoor left in that gives direct access to the kernel. You can find plenty of articles about this if you search 'allwinner developer backdoor' in google you can find many articles about it.