The thing is 40 years old... 40 years in cold cold space... Still amazes me ^^
@user-lp2op9uu1w7 жыл бұрын
Nothing keeps the cold away as a lump of plutonium!
@kyis12567 жыл бұрын
Most likely due to the fact that greedy assholes are manufacturing a lot of unsafe and badly designed products in china. Almost everything that blows up in your face or breaks out of the box has made in china written on it. That said some of the highest quality products are made in china as well, but the tsunami of garbage being exported does leave a sticky trail in the minds of people, not letting the good stuff shine. The sad part is that there is high demand for the cheap garbage mostly out of ignorance of their inner workings or the condition in which they were made.
@user-po6hn9id1t7 жыл бұрын
kyis if you want quality you must pay more
@alex_inside5 жыл бұрын
@@kyis1256 the problem is that the Assholes in the US want to keep the profit margins high so they make them as cheap as possible.
@richardcanberra7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, that's what I call a rapid turnaround! In my defence for sounding like a squirrel on caffeine (If anyone has seen the movie Hoodwinked you'll know what I mean) I had just come of a 12 hour night shift and running on Dave induced adrenaline
@mpsmith357 жыл бұрын
Richard Stephenson Thanks for staying behind to describe how it all works. As an ex electronics engineer, it was very interesting.
@sparkplug10187 жыл бұрын
That was a very in depth but understandable explanation of how we communicate with the Voyager spacecraft, really enjoyed it. I wonder though, when the end is near if it would be possible to warm up the camera and take one last picture and transmit it back to Earth, sort of Voyagers parting gift to us. The first picture of our star taken from interstellar space. Would be fascinating to know what it looks like from out there.
@har2349082347 жыл бұрын
+sparkplug1018 I like your thinking, but I'm not sure what could be gained beyond the "Family Portrait" frames... just another star! Seems incredible now that Carl Sagan had to lobby for those pictures. As to whether they could, there's a not very technical faq - voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html
@sparkplug10187 жыл бұрын
Id imagine from Voyagers current location the Sun would look like a full Moon, maybe a bit brighter. But all the same would be interesting to see our star from interstellar space for the first time. Oddly hadn't considered that the cameras may have been damaged by their time in deep space, makes sense though. Seems a odd though that a copy of the software isn't available anymore, in some archive. If only for posterity.
@mpsmith357 жыл бұрын
The Sun would just look like a bright star - a point of light. So a photo would not look very interesting.
@Mythricia19887 жыл бұрын
This guy is actually fantastic to listen to. What a great speaker! I must admit a lot of the radio stuff was way beyond my comprehension, but still, really incredibly interesting.
@harindugamlath7 жыл бұрын
Yes! He knows his stuff. Really well. A great guy.
@harbselectronicslab35517 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough most of the NASA and CSIRO guys are very approachable and more than willing to talk to you about anything you like.........wether you understand them, well thats another story......they are so dedicated to their jobs and the people around them, it just becomes "Normal Speak"
@paulsengupta9717 жыл бұрын
Everything he says is truly fascinating. Certainly knows his stuff and isn't boring with it either. The radio stuff was on my wavelength! ;-)
@GoSlash275 жыл бұрын
@dennis pickard Yes, all engineering and technology. Without all of this engineering and technology, you don't get any science because you can't talk to your probes. This is the nuts 'n bolts that makes it all possible, and is darned interesting IMO.
@gregorymccoy67972 жыл бұрын
Amazing. I could listen to him all day. Supremely knowledgeable.
@SouthwesternEagle5 жыл бұрын
"THIS IS 20 BYTES!" 20 BYTES IS 160 BITS Both of those statements are 160 bits in length. It takes 1 second for Voyager 1 and 2 to send each line that you see above this sentence. Getting 20 characters per second from interstellar space from a 1977 probe is actually quite a good speed.
@klam776 жыл бұрын
WOW: Voyager Communications via DSN 30 MILLI DEGREES AIM required! +/- 1Hz frequency lock! - 158dBm signal received! (Kepler = -165dBm; Maven = -170dBm)! SNR =~ 6.5-7.0 dB even slight rain fades the 34m dish! 19K "Noise temperature" from cone to receiver! Multi-convolutional encoding (same as ADSL modems)! Once a week: BLF (Best Lock Frequency) Characterization Exercise: send ping messages on varying ramp of frequencies and 30hrs later receive fastest ping back...tells you the best channel to use for that week!
@dudeskidaddy7 жыл бұрын
Great interview and What I love about this Dave is you let him talk. Thanks for doing this channel!
@rostlaur7 жыл бұрын
By far the very best ever on the subject. I could have camped for days in front of the screen listening to all of you (parts 1,2, 3 and the "Behind The Scenes" 1 & 2). Mr. Richard Stephenson is a genius, a master at sharing complex information and his infinite passion for Space and RF sciences. In my book his team is amongst the greatest explorers/discoverers of all time. It is mind blowing the talent and the ways the geniuses of this team make it possible to still communicate with all the probes in Space.
@HomoSapiensMember7 жыл бұрын
Dave, sir, this is fantastic stuff!
@EEVdiscover7 жыл бұрын
Thank Richard!
@k7iq7 жыл бұрын
I totally agree ! I could listen to this guy all day ! BTW, there are amateur DSN (google that) techies out there that listen to probes. Not Voyager of course, but still cool. Hey Dave.... Maybe they'd let you go in and do a tear-down ! :)
@musashi9397 жыл бұрын
boB Gudgel let's take it apaaat.
@paulsengupta9717 жыл бұрын
Yep, thanks for making these Dave, this is proper engineering stuff!
@mikewalters53267 жыл бұрын
few. . '
@jonahansen4 жыл бұрын
Wow! This is amazing - and this guy knows what he's talking about. Only video I've ever seen with this level of detail on the underlying technology. Thank you so much.
@davidmaiolo7 жыл бұрын
Dave send our thanks to Richard for participating in this awesome video!
@mixolydian20107 жыл бұрын
Mind blowing, its incredible we can still receive from it. I loved the way the guy didn't pull any punches and left it up to us to work it out. As a shortwave enthusiast i get the noise problems and they can be bad enough over a few hundred miles, marvellous technology and hats off to this guy and the others who work there, your doing an amazing job. Cheers Dave for putting this together.
@paulsengupta9717 жыл бұрын
Working in WCDMA, I get the thing about extracting signals below the noise using a mask. 73 de G1YJY
@michaeloosthuizen23837 жыл бұрын
Didn't realise there was so much engineering involved with the antenna and dish... kinda want to climb on it and poke my nose into the mechanics now!
@EEVdiscover7 жыл бұрын
Join the queue!
@paulsengupta9717 жыл бұрын
I've made a visit to the Chilbolton radio telescope here in the UK and poked my nose into the mechanics of the thing. Not quite like this though!
@harindugamlath7 жыл бұрын
Wow! This is some seriously cool content. Thank you very much Dave. Please continue the quality work!
@Cracktune7 жыл бұрын
DAVE! I just landed a job at a satellite manufacturer today, this is wicked interesting!!
@harbselectronicslab35517 жыл бұрын
I was once Playing Cricket as you do on the 210 foot Parkes Radio Telescope dish, before the mesh got upgraded and it still had the old Aerial cabin and decided I would get off and get a drink, so rather than get the dish driver to tilt it down and upset the game, I would go down centre man hole........ Trouble is I managed to get firmly stuck half in the hole and half out........it took me a fair bit of effort to get free I might add......I thought I might become part of the instrument there for a while lol....... Been a while since I rode the clunky old elevator up to the receiver cabin now, but I bet its a lot more roomy with that new one ! Thanks for the video Dave.....you tend to take for granted how big and respected team the CSIRO in Oz are..........I love those places !!
@terry2417 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave, I really love watching this new series of videos on your new channel... I just hope you have enough time in the day to keep it all up... Best of luck... Thanks Terry
@mrgeeknesss7 жыл бұрын
Dave i allready liked watching your other channels but this stuff is awesome. hope to see more of this kinda tech in the future.
@BenBilesBB-box7 жыл бұрын
I threw away my TV years ago. This video confirms I won't need one in the future. Thanks Dave , just fascinating. -263c to reduce the noise in the LNA :)
@guyh34037 жыл бұрын
Both the Voyagers always taunted my imagination. Thank you for this extremely satisfying insight!!
@AnthonyShuker7 жыл бұрын
Hendrik Hendrikson you're welcome
@666Bern6667 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dave & Richard for this. Myself and a mate made a trip from the UK to go to our nearest DSN which is Madrid and were a little disappointed to find almost no technical info about the workings of the station, even the eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html screen in the visitors centre was down and we had to use our phones to check the site for what was actually being tracked at the time. Had a quick look round the visitors centre then took about a hundred pics of the dishes! :-) DSS63 is right next to the road and main gate which was about the only saving grace. So fantastic to get some proper technical info. Cheers again guys!
@D4narchy3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you find some gems on youtube, and this is one of them.
@dyode17 жыл бұрын
...retrofitted vacuum cleaner in reverse blowing water droplets off the positive pressure nitrogen volume radio transparent envelope above the cones omfg I'm in HEAVEN! ...keep it up Dave, this is gold. Looking forward to the synchrotron in Melbourne and the DoD might even let you do one on JORN? I guess the key is having someone like Richard, especially a little wired after a 12hr shift to be loose and passionate and so knowledgeable on the minutiae of the tech and also the history... well done, let 'em ramble Dave......thanks for this, I hope it's a successful experiment.
@Sgt_Bill_T_Co2 жыл бұрын
As a radio physicist it was nice to hear all about the SNR, and as for -158dBmw - fantastic!
@HarmanRobotics7 жыл бұрын
Excellent, could listen to him talk all day!
@CarstenGroen7 жыл бұрын
Super video, and a SUPER speaker !!
@jody56617 жыл бұрын
Glad to see that the channel is back up. Subscribed.
@andreymarinov44105 жыл бұрын
Compliments from a particle physicist from CERN and a ham radio operator. Very nice video I am eager to share it with other colleagues.
@deathcow7 жыл бұрын
That was excellent. Richard obviously knows his stuff, its inspiring.
@OC357 жыл бұрын
As I used to send commands to satellites in the 60s from a NASA Stadan station I find this very interesting, with plenty of technical information.
@Oldman-ml2qv7 жыл бұрын
learnt a lot really interesting. hope to see more engineering and space related content on the new channel
@Atomic_Haggis7 жыл бұрын
Oh yes. This is brilliant. Thanks for making this new channel... a true voyage(r) of discovery! This chap was really kind to share the time and explanations.
@Eo_Tunun7 жыл бұрын
Yo Dave, putting the expedition stuff into a channel of its own was the perfect idea! And, crikey, did you pick an interesting topic here! F***ing ace! Love it!
@Gmtail7 жыл бұрын
The fact that the Voyager craft is still working is amazing, even more so that we can send commands to it. I am assuming the thing was mostly made with Basic Logic ICs, however I could be wrong.
@HomoSapiensMember7 жыл бұрын
god i love this new channel concept!
@rondlh207 жыл бұрын
Yay, the channel is back...
@BillyLapTop7 жыл бұрын
Wow Dave! This was a superior video. Radio Astronomy has always been one of my interests and it was great to see the hardware and what the limits of sensitivity are. Thank you very much to you and Richard Stephenson for a really informative look at the DSN.
@blushellneon79587 жыл бұрын
I've worked with ka and ku band multiplexors for US DoD applications on the MUOS program, all this RF gets me excited!
@MrBanzoid7 жыл бұрын
Great new channel Dave. Can't wait for the next vid.
@AnthonyShuker7 жыл бұрын
MrBanzoid thanks
@mike614567 жыл бұрын
thank you for making this video it's a subject that I've wanted to know more about for a really long time
@tullyfisher Жыл бұрын
This is super interesting. Thanks so much for this upload!
@petehiggins337 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks Dave. Minor point, the latest accepted view is that Beagle 2 landed successfully on the surface of Mars but the solar panels failed to open fully which masked the antenna and prevented communications.
@peckelhaze69347 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for that. Now for part 2.
@JKERRI17 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave for this hugely interesting video 👍
@SCIFIaction7 жыл бұрын
This is incredible! I was lucky enough to see Greenbank as a young child. Really cool stuff :)
@colinpamplin99767 жыл бұрын
Great video and so so interesting. As a I said in my comment on the trailer I remember the launch of these two craft in 1977. Looking forward to watching part 2
@RB747domme5 жыл бұрын
Richard, fantastic video. There's just one thing I don't understand. Everything you just said. The dish antenna looked nice though.
@hexinli7 жыл бұрын
The mechanicals are almost as interesting as the electronics!!! Nice!
@SaturnV20007 жыл бұрын
Fascinating discussion! . . . I always wished for detail on how we communicate with Voyager! Us radio guys (amateur/ham) really appreciate the precision built into the system.
@stephengloor84517 жыл бұрын
Excellent video - more of these please
@ThomasHart597 жыл бұрын
Great video Dave, keep up the good work!
@AnthonyShuker7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Hart thanks
@tohopes7 жыл бұрын
16:48 forklift
@parkerproffitt30126 жыл бұрын
Yes
@TheDrunkenMug5 жыл бұрын
Great video Dave and Richard ! I love it, good stuff ! :D
@aidanscapeing7 жыл бұрын
Great idea, it woulds be a great channel for site visits.
@analogelectronics22537 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic content from you Dave, very valuable information !
@materialsguy20027 жыл бұрын
For the type of bandwidth and frequency accuracy they need, what kind of local oscillators are they using? Is GPSDO good enough? I am thinking not. Dave, investigate the metrology.
@richardcanberra7 жыл бұрын
Each Complex has a pair of atomic clocks. We have 2 Hydrogen Masers that provide timing (1pps) but just as importantly generate 5, 10 and 100Mhz frequency references
@antoineroquentin22977 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I like it. Dave is a bit low on audio though. More RF stuff please :)
@EEVdiscover7 жыл бұрын
That was deliberate this time. A new style of interview where I will mostly put up question on the screen in edit rather than me talking.
@MilesBader7 жыл бұрын
I like this style... You can still hear Dave, but the volume difference really puts the focus on the person being interviewed.
@praemdonck7 жыл бұрын
Great video, very interesting. Thanks Dave
@rfengr007 жыл бұрын
Wow! 400 kW at S band. I assume that's raw power into the feed; must be a big klystron.
@NivagSwerdna7 жыл бұрын
Good luck with the more general channel, you will get billions of subscribers!
@zapfanzapfan6 жыл бұрын
Fantastically interesting, thank you!
@BenHelweg6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, these are amazing.
@WouterWeggelaar7 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff! makes me proud to be in this line of business (space communications)!
@materialsguy20027 жыл бұрын
I'm in, Dave. This kind of thing is ENGINEERING.
@sriaparajith7 жыл бұрын
Wow. Dave, this is heavy!
@EEVdiscover7 жыл бұрын
There's that word again, heavy...
@kevinhardisty64657 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic Dave! Thanks!
@AnthonyShuker7 жыл бұрын
Kevin Hardisty you're welcome
@dr37547 жыл бұрын
the distance of v'ger is like going to pluto and back and then going back to pluto again roughly. wow!
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi7 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid, Ive been to parkes and tid. and i just wished the whole time to get closer or some more insight! This hit the spot! Thank you
@FelixIsMyName7 жыл бұрын
WoW this video was totally amazing!
@inseries54943 жыл бұрын
this is wow wow wowwww
@neatodd7 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video. One question - at 17:30 the discussion about the Voyager 2 RTG. Richard says the transducers are failing - I wonder if he meant to say 'thermocouples'?
@richardcanberra7 жыл бұрын
neatodd Yes i did mean thermocouples. There were a few spot the obvious mistakes. When talking about rain attenuation I said beamwidth instead of wavelength being a factor. The sad thing was I remembered saying them the day after and have been cringing ever since. The beauty of unscripted video😉
@neatodd7 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for replying. Don't worry about the odd slip, the details you gave of the communication with Voyager were absolutely fascinating, I envy you for having such an interesting job! Hopefully there will be more videos in the future. Fingers crossed for V2's survival (and communication) into interstellar space.
@craign8ca7 жыл бұрын
Really find this stuff interesting. There's a great movie out called "The Big Dish." Its about communicating with the Apollo missions (don't want to give any of it away).
@sysmatt7 жыл бұрын
The capacitor failure situation is covered in Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space" an excerpt is available on google books .. also i recall there being a IEEE journal article about the incident but my membership ended years ago.
@gwyllymsuter45517 жыл бұрын
It's a fun place to work but bloody cold in winter. miss it heaps
@deadfreightwest59567 жыл бұрын
I was 11 when the Voyagers were launched. They had a mission, they accomplished it. Decades later all has been pure bonus. Imagine what we would have achieved if we had spent money on similar projects instead of Wholly Babble studies (aka WAR).
@rostlaur7 жыл бұрын
Today August 20th, 40th anniversary of the launch of Voyager 2 HAPPY BIRTHDAY VOYAGER Voyager 1's 'birthday', September 5th 1977
@joopterwijn7 жыл бұрын
Really nice stuff, a "bit" outside my range, but really nice
@MrPinknumber7 жыл бұрын
Love it !
@sanguchito73817 жыл бұрын
For those curious about the encoding and error correcting stuff, do yourself a favor and go watch Computerphile's 64 Shades Of Gray, kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIPZZHuDet6oeqc and kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaWydKSBpdmcbdU (not about Voyager, thou).
@paulkerr22987 жыл бұрын
big thumbs up from the old dart,, or glesga to the little guys
@chuy83566 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic and interesting stuff. I love astronomy.
@davidcorbett3416 жыл бұрын
Great Stuff
@Wonky49257 жыл бұрын
I can recall these probes being launched
@marxnutz6 жыл бұрын
As I understand it, Voyager is now transmitting at the equivalent of 5 trillionth of one watt of power, so I can easily see how difficult it would be to contact it.
@geoffswan12547 жыл бұрын
Legend!
@unmanaged7 жыл бұрын
Nasa's X-Band is 8200-8600 MHz and I think that includes as a subset the X−band deep space allocation (International Telecommunications Union Category B) of 8,400 - 8,450 MHz.... right?
@neatodd7 жыл бұрын
'Not like Beagle - that hit Mars' Ouch. Too soon :-(
@mpsmith357 жыл бұрын
neatodd Actually, photos show that it actually landed safely but it's solar petals failed to open properly. it's amazing to think it actually got to the surface.
@1pcfred7 жыл бұрын
The USA is the only country to date that has ever successfully landed a mission on Mars. Though really not too many have even tried.
@TiagoTiagoT7 жыл бұрын
+Mike Smith Would it be possible for another rover to go there and "manually" open the solar petals?
@1pcfred7 жыл бұрын
+TiagoTiago while anything is possible it would be far easier just to land another mission on the surface than mount a rescue. The target landing ellipses are huge, and traveling on the surface is difficult. So I would have to say for all practical purposes no, it is not possible.
@zapfanzapfan6 жыл бұрын
Maybe he was thinking of the Schiaparelli lander, that caused a new crater :-)
@ghostdog6886 жыл бұрын
I know you can translate radio to sound to “hear” signals. What does voyager sound like?
@thiskal6 жыл бұрын
A bunch of ones and Zero's nearly hidden amongst the noise
@GoSlash275 жыл бұрын
Depends on what stage of detection you listen to. It's phase shift encoding, so prior to feeding it into the quad coupler it'd just be a steady tone. If you could hear the output of the quad coupler, it'd sound like a dot- matrix printer without the carriage returns. Once it's detected, it's just serial TTL pulses, like RS-232 but much slower.
@douro207 жыл бұрын
I wonder what kind of frequency standard is aboard Voyager 2. I know that the DSN uses a hydrogen maser.
@CJkoh17 жыл бұрын
in case someone is wondering, here's a link to see what's the DNS is doing right now, all three of them! eyes.jpl.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html edit: just realize that Part 2 did show the website.
@douglasbrunelle98544 жыл бұрын
I was curious about the wind loading specs on the 70m antenna. And does a moderate wind distort the parabola enough to cause problems on receive and transmit?
@flatfrog69rr717 жыл бұрын
Hi Congrat's Dave for getting it back !! Can I ask you did the guy mention what was the gain of the different dishes? thanks
@deadfreightwest59567 жыл бұрын
Dave's Dish!
@ntesla667 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@ThomasHaberkorn7 жыл бұрын
how does that "doubling SNR with sending 320 bits/s" work mathematically? Does that method have a name which I can google up?
@k7iq7 жыл бұрын
Is that 400 kW ERP or average output power of the Klystron (or whatever they use) ?
@HDXFH7 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@headybrew2 жыл бұрын
So do they have to aim the transmission to where Voyager will be 15 hours later? and then to receive, aim it where Voyager was 15 hours ago? Like trying to shoot a duck in flight? Or maybe the arc width of the beam is enough to cover the target without compensation for the distance traveled in the 30 hour round trip time?
@thepuma20122 жыл бұрын
probably..... also they tune a little of frequency because that even shifts a litle bit! (doppler effect)
@andrewnorgrove64877 жыл бұрын
Apparently Beagle didn't hit mars it just failed to open solar panels blocking communication with Canberra en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_2
@WistrelChianti2 жыл бұрын
I found a good tutorial on convolutional encoder/decoder but so far not found out what multi convolutional encoder means? Is it something like re-encoding the encoded signal?