EFAP

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[@headmetwall]

Timestamps: 0:00 - What you can't say 3:03 - Guest Intro - The BvS (& DCEU) Experience /Time Traveling EFAP 11:02 - >Plans for future EFAPs - Twin Perfect's Discord-tisms 32:15 - Clip Intro 33:10 - Video Starts /'Punching into space doesn't really work' 52:03 - Criticism:'Why does batman lead Doomsday back to the city?' - 'The port is abandoned', right next to the city 1:04:42 - Hiding the (glowing) spear in a pool of (clear) water 1:09:44 - Criticism:'Why does superman fly the Kryptonite spear into Doomsday?' /Clip End 1:19:00 - Video Intro /Lex's 'Plan' 1:28:58 - Video Start /'This isn't Lex Luthor. It would've been better with a more imposing actor...' 1:41:15 - >'This is what the smartest man in the world would look like' 1:57:50 - Crit.: 'Lex Luthor's motivation is muddled and confused.' 2:08:11 - 'Like the comic' 2:23:07 - Crit.: 'What was Lex Luthor's Plan? None of this makes any sense!' - A complicated plan 2:32:31 - Crit.: 'Those Scenes with the other heroes where just shoehorned into the film by the studio... They don't serve the story at all!' - >'He has levridge on all of these heroes' 2:44:35 - Crit.: 'Granny's peach tea' line - Congress Scene 3:01:58 - The 'Lexcorp' Bullets /Indifferent Newspaper 3:12:10 - >Snyder Cut will have a Cliffhanger ending 3:14:09 - Crit.: 'Why does anyone believe Superman is responsible for shooting the terrorists?' 3:25:43 - >Twin Perfect in chat 3:34:48 - Bringing Doomday back to the city 3:38:37 - >Twin Perfect Arrives - Discord Screenshots 3:43:25 - Video Criticisms /'What is the end objective of the scene?' 3:54:47 - >'I believe 0% on Death of the Author’ 4:00:55 - Objectively wrong criticisms - Civil War is better than MoS? 4:05:14 - Is Man of Steel Well Written? 4:09:53 - What is a nitpick? - (Contradiction of) the message of the movie 4:19:45 - The intent contradicted by the story 4:24:51 - Zack Snyder's execution - "It's better because 'I like it more', 'I like it more', 'I like it more'" 4:32:53 - Can execution make a good or bad movie? - >Twin Perfect Leaves 4:42:04 - Afterward: 'So did we win?' 'No, nobody wins' 5:03:16 - /Video cont. They recovered the bullets? 5:14:24 - 'Unsupervised access to Zod & the ship 5:18:41 - Crit.: 'How does a cherry Jolly Rancher buy Lex access to Zod's body and ship?' - A Power Move 5:29:57 Crit.: ‘Lex says that he hates Kryptonians, but then he creates one! That makes no sense!’ - 'It obeys only me!' Outtake 5:47:49 - Choosing a hero /Homeless with a home 5:49:39 - >Meme: 'Noooooo' Visual Effects Editing 5:59:19 - Meme: 'Barely habitable' 6:10:55 - Crit: ‘Why doesn’t Lex’s assistant kick Bruce Wayne out of the server room?’ - Getting Superman on Bruce's case? 6:25:14 - Crit: 'Why does Lex Put so much emphasis on the meeting of Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne?' 6:29:26 - Crit: 'How did Clark Kent not know who Bruce Wayne was before Lex Luthor's party? 6:35:16 - Crit: 'Why doesn't Perry White allow Clark to cover the Batman story? - 'He's been around for 20 years' 6:44:36 - Crit: 'What was the point of the scene where Lois Lane is investigating the bullet?' - 'It's only 2.4% of the film' 6:53:46 - Crit: ‘What was the point of Lex Luthor blowing up congress?’ - The wheelchair /Batman's reaction? 7:08:05 - Crit: 'Batman steals the kryptonite from Luthor off-camara, that would be much more interesting than the rest of the movie!' - 'You want 3 minutes of filler' 7:17:03 - The Martha argument - Leftover Doomsday, win conditions 7:28:26 - 'Lex's last trick' - The peak of DC villains (Zod v Lex) 7:47:29 - Meme: Superman's 'Jolly Ranch' - 'A deal to take over the world' 7:51:50 - Video end /The next EFAP Movies 7:58:59 - Stream Wrap Up - Saturday EFAP 8:05:52 - Guest Channels - Capital-O's Devs Videos - Fringy's Comics & WIP Crash Video - Southpaw's Spooderman video - Theo's WIP Devil May Cry video - Rags WIP Mandalorian video Snips: 1:56:03 - 'Lex Luthor took 40 cakes. That's terrible.' 5:40:31 - How Lex controls Doomsday

[@VladDascaliuc]

Thanks as always.

[@nowone666]

dude how are you so fast? anyways, nice

[@amanibob1416]

Suuup, thanks and as always, see you around, fellow Toxic Brooder! 🙃

[@ThatGuy-bi9bk]

Thx

[@chuletitoschuletas183]

I was worried for a second when I didn't see the pinned comment

[@arlaghdoth4434]

Mauler: "Did you like the last Jedi?" "There's no wrong answer to this" - And on that day, Mauler lied.

[@RaifSeverence]

How is liking a bad movie a wrong answer. He didn't ask if it was a GOOD movie. He asked if he LIKED the movie. Liking a movie is purely subjective. Thinking a movie is good, not so much

[@arlaghdoth4434]

@@RaifSeverence Yes I understand, it's just a joke mate.

[@lucascoval828]

Oof.

[@michaelmccarty1327]

@@arlaghdoth4434 I like the idea that a gas mask man stops you in a dark ally, points a gun to your head, and says, "Hello there, gentleman. I just have a quick question for you. There is no wrong answer, by the way." He asks you the question and then you answer. He chuckles. "Oh, my friend... I am so sorry! You see, when I told you there was no wrong answer, I lied."

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@@michaelmccarty1327 The Devil in the pale moonlight wears a gasmask i see.

[@BlackChapters]

Dude called them cowards then spends 20 minutes being a coward. Ironic

[@CrimsonRaven86]

A brave coward, it takes at least a little bit of balls to show up, but his credit ends there.

[@VladDascaliuc]

@@CrimsonRaven86 Or just an extreme lack of self awareness.

[@CrimsonRaven86]

@@VladDascaliuc true

[@blizzardregulus]

He tried to save Zack Snyder, but he could not save himself.

[@afelias]

Aw no man, it was Smug Ross that called them cowards, not him

[@Necromancer4267]

"Doomsday is made of Lex's blood, so he will obey him." Lex: Gets beaten by father for not obeying him.

[@charnel8435]

then he gets beaten by the son and the unholy spirit of the motherbox/darkseid/computer. its like poetry

[@M62003]

@@charnel8435 It rhymes.

[@maskofshy]

Thats quite Tragic. :( ( But at least Then Superman saves him from the Fists of a literal abomination)

[@jokerz7936]

Out of all the Christopher Reeve Superman films to copy from why the Hell did Zack Snyder choose Quest for Peace?

[@RorytheRomulan]

No, not for disobeying him. His father got to see what he would look like as an adult and was disappointed. I would be, too.

[@Silenthero66]

"You were objectively wrong." "I don't remember but okay." "Do you think Man of Steel is better than Civil War?" "I don't remember Civil War." Man when this guy is asked a question he gets really forgetful.

[@justincruz5720]

Awfully convenient.

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

Man of Steel is better than Civil War imo.

[@SpFlash1523]

@@Crunch_Buttsteak I disagree, but to each their own.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

​@@Crunch_Buttsteak Hmm. Well, it's a tough choice since both movies are considered LGBTQ+ classics. But, I would say that the main character of Man Of Steel is far better looking than the main character of Civil War, which makes the NSFW scenes far more enjoyable. So, I would say that Man Of Steel just edges out Civil War as arguably the greatest gay p*rn movie ever made.

[@yikesyourchunkyhostilityha2321]

@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 You know what? You're not wrong

[@Little_KingYT]

Rags: Do you think Man of Steel is well written? Twin Perfect: Yesn’t

[@nelsonthegentleman2756]

Yes it's nots!

[@Little_KingYT]

@Numpteez Just... pain. Only pain.

[@Little_KingYT]

@PeaceKingJ and instead of punishing the pooch you give him a good boi treat and a pat on the head. Long-Man’s best friend.

[@LukeDe1st]

This comment made me guffawckle.

[@Batdude36]

Where did Twin Perfect learn how to debate? On a farm!?

[@niks3632]

on the council of Krypton

[@siblla4035]

The tism farm

[@Batdude36]

@@siblla4035 Oh hey Mac, how are you holding up?

[@siblla4035]

@@Batdude36 I'm doing well

[@Trisket]

@@siblla4035 How do you cope with the embarrassment of thinking Civil War is better than Man of Steel?

[@ridleyroid9060]

Znack Snyder fans : his films are brilliant you just don't get it Zack Snyder: "lol Superman and Batman can't talk, they wear suits!"

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

Yeah, just listen to his interviews and you can tell he's not an intelligent person.

[@BrennanCh06]

I had never heard that interview before and I was amazed. He does realize that in the movie world *he is making* those suits are very real, right? Like if you lived in My Little Pony land, Nazi uniforms might look silly to you. But here, what they did is real, so it hits different.

[@BrennanCh06]

And thats his job, to make it real for us, instead of just a silly book.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

And yet that Martha moment is suppose to be a deep and meaningful moment even though we have a grown man dressed like a bat screaming his head off.

[@matthewmuir8884]

@@BrennanCh06 Exactly. Snyder clearly shows a lack of understanding of verisimilitude (the believability/plausibility of a fictional work within the bounds of its own genre); essentially how good a job the story does at allowing us to buy in and suspend disbelief. Incidentally, Richard Donner understood verisimilitude perfectly when making his Superman film; he even kept around a picture of Superman holding a sash with the word "verisimilitude" on it to remind himself that, "he intended to approach the story of the fantasy superhero in a way true to the source material that would make it feel intuitively real to the audience within the context of the story's world".

[@cinemasinsbutgood32]

I like how Jesse Eisenberg was indifferent towards the script and Zack saw it as a sign of intelligence.

[@zakuhtet3775]

Jesse Eisenberg: I dunno. I just think this script is stupid. Zack Snyder: I see you're a man of culture as well

[@FloPm3ister]

Jesse applied for a no lines character yet expected to be paid Star money.

[@robinthrush9672]

@@FloPm3ister Sounds like that Nick Cage Five Nights at Freddie's knock off movie.

[@FloPm3ister]

@@robinthrush9672 never seen it. Y would he apply for the jimmy olsen character? Just sounds so strange

[@Little_KingYT]

Snyder: *He’s A GENIUS!*

[@SefniAsheforr]

Mauler: "It's okay Rags, his body is just rejecting our argumentspherics."

[@vadandrumist1670]

We thought he was a man of *objectivity,* but it was all just clickbait.

[@fluff6811]

I don’t remember his name, but that guy is the living embodiment of tism

[@SefniAsheforr]

@@fluff6811 Twin Perfect I believe. The TISM'S favorite son.

[@fluff6811]

@@SefniAsheforr Thank you fellow massive. Your contribution to the collective consciousness will not go unappreciated.

[@chatch621]

I think they should of use Metallo than Doomsday, the borg replicas would of make a fine Dawn of Justice movie.

[@ianhines2302]

Twin Perfect had a metaphorical jolly rancher shoved in his mouth in this debate

[@SantosAl]

And a jar of pee on their table before they got roasted.

[@sparkypack]

yeah, and it's 🍒🍒🍒

[@TARLChudmunch]

It was certainly something red and hard 🐕🚀🍆🥛

[@guikoi3101]

@@TARLChudmunch Rag's''''s milk

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@guikoi3101 RagSsssss'sss Rocket Sausage Milk.

[@elondust7164]

I love how twin perfects response to an solid argument he can’t counter is always “I don’t remember”, “ok” or “I don’t remember, so ok”. Every single time. This man just can’t admit that he is wrong

[@thereviewersblock7459]

Yep, cites the “Civil War is better than MOS” comment yet he conveniently only seen it once. Then why TF would you highlight the comment? If you haven’t seen it in a while, just STFU. He’s totally seen it more than once which is why he was confident enough to cite that comment as illogical, he just didnt want to be ridiculed.

[@eggsbenedict2251]

It's like a murderer lying about blacking out.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

or smug ross

[@troo_6656]

This will be fine addition to the lore. Twin Perfect not answering simple yes and no question.

[@SouthpawLP]

"YeS oR nO? yEs Or No?! Do you watch Limmy?"

[@absoluteirony9461]

He dosen't want to commit guys, unlike github, if you commit you cannot go back EVER

[@niks3632]

He would make an excellent politician

[@theredbanana6265]

It's the smug Ross face, what dont you guys understand

[@theredbanana6265]

@@SouthpawLP anything to get around to answering rags

[@elondust7164]

4:06:04 Rags: “Do you think the movie is well written? Its a yes or no.” Twin Perfect: “yEs Or nO. YeS oR nO. You guys know Lemi?” (Silence) Rags: “No. Quit the fucking (joking), We’re legitimately curious!” You can’t make this shit up

[@harry426]

It’s even funnier with the 5 seconds pause before he spazzes out with his "yes or no".

[@vadandrumist1670]

If there's one thing Rags is good at it's demolishing deflections.

[@immortallix]

Literally that annoying kid you knew back in 2nd grade

[@BigBroTejano]

But more importantly... who the hell is Lemi?!

[@sirpugsalot6113]

@@BigBroTejano i think he’s talking about the limmy show

[@grandarkfang_1482]

EFAP were bred to be objective, Ross. Trained their entire lives to hone their critical thinking skills. *WHERE DID YOU TRAIN!?* *_ON A FARM!?_* _YOU'VE HAD YOUR CHANCE!_

[@sparkypack]

If you destroy Smug, you destroy Ross!!!

[@JasonHendry22]

love efap and what they do, and im sorry they arent always objective, they are however critical. they make alot of sense but they also criticise stuff that is not nessaserily correct. were talking about movies and its their opinions, and they are not always objective.

[@alexe7924]

Is that a Hotline Miami reference?

[@calvingarbacik272]

Where is your stance? I WILL FIND IT!

[@fluff6811]

@@JasonHendry22 Granted EFAP’s only purpose isn’t to be absolutely objective. That’s why they do it in podcast format instead of an individual video for each video they would cover. They’ve stated before that they do offer there subjective opinions quite often but they will often define which one they are appealing too. That’s what I really appreciate about them. Also their personalities are absolutely amazing.

[@KingDilly]

I retract my statement from #125 about "Please, no more Filmento" after watching this stream and that debate. Please, no more Twin Perfect.

[@MegaSpideyman]

What's wrong with Filmento?

[@Raine749]

@@MegaSpideymanword salad

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

Feels like your wish has been granted. So far.

[@CptnCardboard]

I don't blame Rags for getting so angry at Twin Perfect, who was being evasive and duplicitous the entire discussion.

[@luxie8097]

Wait, people not blaming Rags!? was the debate really THAT bad?!

[@oliverlapthorn2505]

sMuG rOss tHo

[@texteel]

@@luxie8097 I would argue that he came in really strong at the beginning ("why the fuck are you here then?"), but with every passing second I felt his feelings were justified

[@absoluteirony9461]

@texteel he was kinda right tho, he didn't hop on with discussions in mind, he only wanted to "clear his name"

[@texteel]

@@absoluteirony9461 sure, I can agree to "kinda right", because he expected a discussion on the movie itself (hell, we all did), but he could have worded it a bit better. But then I guess he wouldnt be rags lol

[@bmardiney]

"I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin. And your sin is existing." So...you do, in fact, hate the sinner.

[@SolarDragon007]

If I were to be generous, and the character was actually consistently written, the line COULD'VE meant that Lex doesn't really hate Superman. Lex could view the existence of Superman as inherently dangerous/problematic due to his immense power, but not have a personal grudge or animosity toward Superman as a person.

[@bmardiney]

@@SolarDragon007 Yeah that makes sense. It's too bad Zack Snyder can't write, so that's communicated correctly.

[@SolarDragon007]

@@bmardiney Yeah this is one of the most baffling Superhero movies I've ever seen. It burns me how much potential there was with this film and Man of Steel only to be completely squandered. You could probably write a better movie than BVS or Man of Steel in like a week.

[@michaelmccarty1327]

I thought it was supposed to be self aware

[@justincruz5720]

That’s what I said.

[@thefgcsensei4482]

Twin Perfect: "they are mean they just wanna ridicule me" also Twin Perfect : "Anyways, their audience are all losers"

[@grandarkfang_1482]

But it's an injoke with his Discord server, don't you understand???

[@thefgcsensei4482]

@@griffith2995 oh its these fucking lunatics!? oh the irony

[@TrisStrudel]

Oh my goodness, I knew I had heard of this channel! I remember the Silent Hill thing! MAN! That makes this so much worse...

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@griffith2995 right, so Twin Perfect's Silent Hill video _is_ garbage.

[@thefgcsensei4482]

@@grandarkfang_1482 for real I finally got the chance to watch this whole episode and... I was shocked by how inept this guy is, he seemed really disingenuous and weasely. trying to dodge simple questions by fear of "commitment" and the whole "if you like something it means you think its good" argument is overplayed and idiotic at this point. I mean, we all eat some shit food from time to time 'cause it tastes good while we are feasting but we all know its objectively bad for us. And lets not get into the "Death of the author" segment, that really nailed the coffin on his credibility as a movie "critic"

[@oliverlapthorn2505]

Twin perfect had his chance

[@aidanaidan8662]

I will find Twin Perfect who had his chance on a farm

[@grayski3324]

I agree. *Causes trillions in property damage and dozens of deaths*

[@jayalpha9163]

Twin Perfect has a great series about Silent Hill, what the fuck happened?

[@JohnnyDoorknob]

That was twins mistake

[@amanibob1416]

*EFAP* : "Do you *C* objectivitism?" Twin P: "😮... ... ... In my opini-" *EFAP chat* : "And that's when *we* knew... He'd fawked-up."

[@niks3632]

Usually i have mad respect for people who are getting EFAPed and come on live but Twin Perfect was backpeddeling and evading like crazy. If you can´t even answer a yes-or-no question clearly there is no use talking to you. Get him, Raggleton.

[@crpalstuck2966]

If you're going to appear on to debate your opinion/video, at least make sure you research/prepare

[@danishcartoonist545]

He's not the only one who's ever done that. A few of them have. Some of them backpeddled so hard they joined the Brood lol Also, @Mad Payer, anyone gets massive respect from me for going against more than 1 person in a debate. The more opponents, the more respect. Remember how Jack Saint and Eric Taxxon wouldn't go on EFAP because they thought an 2v3 was too unfair? Remember how we all ridiculed them endlessly for it? Admittedly, though, a 1v6 doesn't really make for good listening, since it's such an unbalanced debate.

[@sparxskywriter2589]

@@danishcartoonist545 So if I went into a debate I didn't care anything about, with no intention of trying and just made an ass of myself, I'd be madly respected by you? Wow that's easy.

[@fluff6811]

@@sparxskywriter2589 Yeah my respect is earned by, idk, making an actual point?! I don’t reward a half assed effort with respect.

[@Le-cp9tr]

How NOT to defend yourself 101.

[@cecillawrenson7327]

Self-offence? The old "your foot to my face" technique. Get's em every time!

[@klafsen]

@@cecillawrenson7327 You have to excuse me, I trained Twin Perfect wrong... as a joke!

[@sparkypack]

First he wanted to clear his name and he did alright at the beginning, but then he went into unknown territory and he failed miserably.

[@sparkypack]

@@klafsen Was he trained on a FARM?!?

[@cecillawrenson7327]

@@sparkypack I would not call opening with the "Smug Ross Defence" as doing alright. Check your instruments.

[@silkendreams2409]

"You see, we have an emote in Germany called Smug Wilhelm." - Zimmerman explaining to the Allies why he sent that spicy telegram to Mexico.

[@MoonlitMarch]

'Did you sink the Lusitania, yes or no?' 'It wasn't the BEST ship'

[@CardinalWest]

Aragorn voice: "This is a good comment."

[@stroud9208]

Zimmerdorf, ENAFF

[@GigaChadh976]

“You see herr allies, in ze reich we have this emote called “smug Klaus” Adolf Eichmann explaining to the Nuremberg trials as to why he helped hitler ship the Jews to death camps

[@fluff6811]

@@CardinalWest Gimli voice: Hehehehehe

[@dumoneyyy]

What a ride this EFAP was. That passive aggressive moment Twin Perfect had with Rags was some top tier cringe

[@XxAegremxX]

My whole body felt the cringe. And yet I came to it again.

[@Kernwadi]

I love Rags's's frustrated outbursts, the catharsis is overwhelming.

[@Delta8Raven]

JOKES ON YOU. I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE OBJECTIVE. -Smug Ross probably

[@Leon-169]

Debate begins: 3:38:40 Debate ends: 4:42:09 Normally I would put these time stamps in to help people more easily find the debate. Not this time. When 3:38:40 rolls around, skip all the way to 4:42:09. Don’t watch this debate. Just save yourself from the pain.

[@MrZEPYRO]

No. I live for this content.

[@sauro8299]

Many thanks, the episode is salvaged from that nonsense. It seems to me, in equal measures, hilarious and painful that one would need timestamps to _skip around a debate_ in EFAP, but all in all we're probably better off conserving our sanity and keeping the tism at bay

[@harry426]

@@MrZEPYRO Same. I usually skip debate-less EFAPs.

[@tuskinradar8688]

Blessing to thee Timestamp Man. you earned yourself today's Tism token, savor it.

[@willnewton7424]

No....that’s why I’m here

[@djdeadbeat4380]

I got secondhand embarrassment from Twin Perfect during the debate. At least try, dude

[@absoluteirony9461]

@Wadsworth i saw the movie 9 times but i dont remember

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@absoluteirony9461 I saw all of the DCEU films once, and I still remember them.

[@Alex_Fahey]

@@grandarkfang_1482 I pity you.

[@absoluteirony9461]

@@grandarkfang_1482 i thought we were being sarcastic here... i was citing him

[@sparkypack]

"Yes or No.. Yes or No. Do you know Limmy?" 😔😔😔 Seems like feathers are heavier than steel.

[@shkartmaz]

It still amazes me how civil and patient Mauler is in this discussions. Always doing his best to understand the opponent’s perspective, however crazy it is. Fucking legend

[@jaded_gerManic]

Seconded. (workin' my way thru the lore) 👾

[@wilder11]

LOL he broke a little on Doomer's last tism. Fuckin' yelled at him and cussed him out, though it was a jolly, drunken kind of frustration. XD I don't blame him at all. Doomer had worn out his welcome at that point if you ask me.

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

Nah he's a smug prick

[@EggieBoi1284]

​@wilder11 wait when did this happen? I thought they were good friends with doomer

[@sebbo59]

@@EggieBoi1284 Im pretty sure they are, it was probably nothing bad. Yelling at friends when you are drunk sometimes happen

[@TheAlmightyLoli]

If they wanted to make Batman dark and gritty then you can't have Superman *also* be dark and gritty. It stylistically works for Batman since he's based off old school noir fiction, and has some of the darkest shit in regards to comics. Superman is the exact opposite and is about hope and optimism. The movie should have played with this (Man of Steel as well, but fuck it) and made Clark a goofy, well meaning guy. Not "the burdened messiah." Animated series Superman was really chill and down to Earth. And people loved that about him.

[@ebak8283]

Ah, a surprise to see you here

[@jakubrejak1114]

Why not? This Superman fits within the established universe. Snyder retained the original spirit of hope and positivity, while contrasting it with malice and cynicism of various beings of the universe

[@warden-commandercousland]

Ideally, a movie should have Superman/Clark Kent be more of a normal guy than Batman/Bruce Wayne. Yes the alien with godlike abilities is the more normal one because he's supposed to be this well-adjusted good guy. Whereas Batman is not. Having them both be these weird and gritty versions of themselves doesn't work because then Superman's whole origin story is kinda meaningless as is Batman's existence because now Superman is just Batman-lite with powers.

[@ManOfStamp38]

@@jakubrejak1114 His dad said let children drown.

[@mrshmuga9]

The only good movies DC has are the animated ones. They’re also only 90mins so they’re nice and concise. The extension to Justice League that the Snyder Cut is going to get will most likely be 95% filler. In 4 hours you could watch 3 DC animated movies (I’m sure there’s a 1h only movie) with better characterizations, plot, and executions (the skillful kind, not the decapitating kind). I have no idea why they don’t get the writers from ANY of those animated movies to do a live-action one. Most directors don’t even write the movies they direct anyways. Heck, they got a trailer house to edit Suicide Squad instead of movie editors. If they’re going to let anyone take a whack at it, might as well give the animated movie staff a chance. They definitely can’t do worse, and even if the managed to, it would just be par for the course anyway.

[@gumsgang1216]

Twin Perfect vs Saying the words Yes or No

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

Dawn of non-commitment

[@ethanankrum4149]

@@lordofthepizzapie9319 but how did It make you Feeeeeeeeeeeel?

[@sparkypack]

And he brought up Limmy, which felt totally out of place here 😣.

[@guikoi3101]

@@sparkypack Who the fuck even IS Limmy!?

[@sparkypack]

@@guikoi3101 He is a Scottish comedian. Got mainly known through his "steel is heavier than feathers" sketch.

[@SideBurns]

TP: “I don’t believe in death of the author” Also TP: “I’ll let the video speak for itself”

[@CrimsonRaven86]

The author can't die if he never really lived...

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

Twin Perfect should consider applying as a Fact checker for Snopes with the amount of mental gymnastics he made in this movie's defense.

[@theflashgordon193]

twin "mental gymnastics" perfect

[@tikiwiki7428]

Twin perfect would be a perfect politician he dodges questions so hard

[@charnel8435]

perfect politician would dodge it well. He would be the herman cain of politics

[@patrioticcat5768]

A good politician can be consistent and twins is like Biden. He can't answer a questions, doesn't know what's going on and tells people how he lies.

[@jjjmadness8306]

Count how many times Twin Perfect said he doesn't remember in this debate. You be shocked how many times he forgets his arguments and how he fumbles around. It's amazingly frustrating.

[@SpotDemo4]

He made the video 5 years ago.

[@HerohammerStudios]

@@SpotDemo4 I can definitely remember my opinions on a film I've seen more than 9 fucking times, even if it's been a few years lmao

[@CyberBolt21]

4:22:43 Fringys laugh in the distance while Rags continues to get frustrated at Twin Perfects evasive answers to questions is just perfect. lol sums up the whole stream

[@Archphoenix1]

Batwoman, unironically, had better ideas then batman. Remember when alternate batman knocked out Supergirl with his kryptonite glove?

[@wem-iv4xk]

Well... Oh shit... DAMIT!!!

[@libertyprime6932]

I feel like I'm missing a joke here

[@fluff6811]

@Blake McCartney Thanks for breaking that down! Even if it required you to recount the televised equivalent of trauma. I hate that I’m invested in this show succeeding, and it’s only because of EFAP and JLB😅

[@fluff6811]

@Blake McCartney And honestly I wouldn’t prefer it any other way😁

[@Shockguey]

Remember those gloves Crossbones had to fight Cap in Civil War? Probably would've been a good idea to make some of those out of Kryptonite.

[@vetrais7965]

When the CW Lex Luthor played by Jon Cryer is the less "quirky and bizarre" than the one that exists in the dark, gritty, semi-realistic DCEU , you know you screwed up.

[@italyspit5192]

Well that’s because destiny needed a little rewrite

[@thereviewersblock7459]

@@italyspit5192 *pulls out sharpie and scribble LƎX ⅃UTHOЯ*

[@SolarDragon007]

DCEU Lex Luthor is like Heath Ledger's Joker without the menace, charisma, or coherent ideology/motivations.

[@alexyoung2966]

Just wanna put some appreciation out there for how calm, civil and direct mauler is during most debates/discussions. ( I put most because I haven't seen every debate/discussion)

[@vaultguy4540]

Yeah I like that but I also like rags not taking any beat around the bush crap calling people out on their BS

[@tuskinradar8688]

This episode was a real highlight for a lot of the cast, Gud Longman, Gud Doggo, Gud Froggo, even Gud Cap-O, S-Paw, and Theo, all for different reasons that we've come to expect from the respective cast at this point. Gud EFAP.

[@tuskinradar8688]

@@bigwinz honestly, considering how sour EFAPers have been in past episodes, typing things in chat is the least of my concerns personally.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@tuskinradar8688 Would you say the writing was very consistent to their established characters?

[@tuskinradar8688]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 yknow, I suppose i would

[@DanielGarcia-gr2hx]

The “Smug Ross” was implied

[@benignlaughter8567]

The Smug Ross had is chance

[@fluff6811]

@@benignlaughter8567 Proceeds to insult several buildings so ironically that they fall over causing mass deathtisms. Oh and you have taken my very soul

[@fluff6811]

@@bigwinz That’s just your opinion

[@guardingdark2860]

At least it was Self-Aware Smug.

[@fluff6811]

@@guardingdark2860 Consider my expectations subverted.

[@jjjmadness8306]

It's pretty impressive how stupid Twin Perfect is due to how dismissive he is. All his videos can be sum up being as being awful defences for terrible movies, all the while going, "oh, you think you know better and write better than actually filmmakers?" all the while failing to understand that it is totally possible to figure better ways to make the film better. It pretty much the whole point film discussion.

[@grfrjiglstan]

Before this debate, I at least had some kind of respect for him, trying to contest literally every point people disagree with. But now I see that it's not just Sisyphean, he's downright quixotic, and not in the good way.

[@xerxBreak]

i lost it when he went "i dont talk about my feelings in my videos, i talk about what i can make a case for" when up to that point his entire repeated argument was "only my feelings are relevant, what i made cases for was just jokes and is irrelevant"

[@jjjmadness8306]

@@xerxBreak Yeah, at that point, it became apparent Twin Perfect videos are all based on personal feelings and how he gets butthurt by other people's opinions, and he will contradict himself every second, which not only hurts his own arguments but proves he has no standards.

[@sparkypack]

It looks like he creates those videos for the clicks.

[@fluff6811]

@@xerxBreak Imagine if Wolf was still on EFAP😂 He either would’ve gotten a headache, ordered a pizza, and left or he would’ve just lost his mind on the guy. I felt so bad for Rags on this one

[@richardthompson3798]

“You know what clickbait is right?” I enjoyed Twin Perfect’s Twin Peaks video due to how much detail he puts into the history of the show but holy crap this one line in the debate just completely saps any respect I have for Ross

[@eldiegollador7271]

It's the KZbin Content Creator's equivalent of "It's just a prank, bro!". "Oh, well, you see, I will now say that my video was clickbait so that I can invalidate anyone's thoughts on it for taking it seriously! Brilliant!!" I'm gonna evade this joker's content like a plague if his defense of Snyder is any indication of what his content is like.

[@Party_Almsivi]

Twin Perfect: My thoughts on how criticism-thing works? Ugh I’d have to write a college dissertation- Rags: YOUR SUFFERING WILL BE LEGENDARY! EVEN IN HELL!

[@hdnfbp]

Doctor: I was trying to save her life Patient's parent: You shot her i the head Doctor: THE MEANS DON'T MATTER THE SCRIPT WANTED HER DEAD

[@Mustakrakish16]

Where did TwinPerfect learn how to critique movies? ON A FARM?!

[@sparkypack]

If you destroy Smug, you destroy Ross!

[@Mustakrakish16]

@@sparkypack Ross had his chance! *proceeds to cause an incident of damage*

[@fluff6811]

@@Mustakrakish16 Dodges a question so hard a quarter of Gotham is leveled, causing maybe 5 deathtisms according to the director.

[@herloss448]

on a toilet actually 😂

[@toxicmongerofthehatefulbro5745]

That...'Debate' Was just tism. Pure, Undiluted, Tism. And I did tell that to Zod's snapped neck. It was unresponsive.

[@ThatGuy-bi9bk]

I loved the scene where they snapped Zods neck. It was an unexpected twist

[@SouthpawLP]

Was Zod's snapped neck more or less responsive than Twin Perfect was to a "yes or no" question?

[@stroud9208]

@@SouthpawLP at least Zod's neck had some fucking principles.

[@toxicmongerofthehatefulbro5745]

@@SouthpawLP I found it twisted from it's original position but had settled there at least.

[@krisztiannemeth6875]

The finest of dry humor, thank you sir

[@speedyacorn2520]

Man Twin perfect should be a boxer considering how good he is at dodging things

[@justinbotkin]

Except boxers have to eventually hit back 😉

[@pitsahat2]

He sure sounds like he has the brain damage of an old boxer

[@MandoWookie]

He is Piccolos greatest pupil.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@MandoWookie DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGE!

[@HerohammerStudios]

Well he tries, but then gets punched right in the schnoz by Rag's's's

[@bennettschirmer3896]

"It's a modern version of Lex, not the old one" "Also the character was lifted directly from an old comic"

[@tiffanyhendricks1860]

Regardless, it is a different interpretation of Lex

[@GigaChadh976]

@@tiffanyhendricks1860 It’s also not good

[@sophisticautistic5453]

That Twin Perfect... thing was embarrassing to see live... Can't wait for the Suicide Squad part of this DCEU arc!

[@yarc9]

maybe the ayer cut if the Snyder cut is successful suicide squad is bad fun lol

[@CardinalWest]

The worst film of the DCEU will have it's chance!

[@canaldecasta]

@@CardinalWest where was it filmed? ON A FARM?!

[@siblla4035]

I wonder if MauLer will even be able to even find a video defending Suicide Squad. MOS and BvS had it's defenders but I remember no one defending Suicide Squad

[@yarc9]

@@siblla4035 that film have the same problems as justice league I like Margot Robbie and will Smith dead shot I just want too see more with the plot

[@patrioticcat5768]

I'd never play "guess who" with twins. That shit would be hell.

[@sparkypack]

😣😣😣

[@immortallix]

"Idk, don't care" "it's whatever"

[@animeator5580]

"Is the hair brown?" "All hair has some level of brownness, color changes under the sun too, i also acknowledge that our color vision can only see a limited color spectrum"

[@danielyoungblood3931]

I really don't understand Twin Perfect's stance of "it referenced comics, so it's cool". Like, referencing comics doesn't mean jack shit when you can't even get the comic characters you're adapting right.

[@BigBroTejano]

But, it references the comics!... sure... the overall story, scene context, and even the characters themselves are very VERY different from what the movie is showing us... but isn’t it a cool reference?!

[@a-a-ron97]

MauLer's main channel had its chance

[@dearcastiel4667]

in 25 days we'll be to a point that out of the 3 last videos on his channel, 2 will be April's fools specials.

[@CardinalWest]

@@dearcastiel4667 Actually it'll be three out of four - he had two April Fool's videos last year lol

[@dearcastiel4667]

@@CardinalWest Yeah I know I was being generous and just counting the GDELB videos. In one year he made 2 April's Fools, 1 critique and 1 Unbridled Rage.

[@lexievv]

Haha it's too bad. I'm still looking forward to another unbridled rage or anything like it.

[@fluff6811]

@@lexievv Mmmm, the rampage was strong with this Longman

[@pieminator6969]

Why didn't Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman though of a better plan to kill Doomsday? Twin Perfect: _"They didn't have enough time to think"_ literally a SUPER Man and a WONDER Woman with the "World's Best Detective" couldn't think fast... huh...

[@papershadow]

I'd also like to note, one of Twin Perfect's defenses of Batman luring Doomsday into the city is that he says out loud and explicitly to Wonder Woman "there is a weapon here that can kill [Doomsday]" So by his own reference, 2 of the 3 characters are aware that a weapon to kill Doomsday is in the vicinity, and then this glowing green spear gets brought out despite otherwise not being similar to the rest of Batman's employed gadgetry. Would Wonder Woman not immediately think "this is the weapon"? Just present the spear, say "use this," then immediately go back to trying to beat down Doomsday or see if you can tire him out or make some kind of opening if you really can't stop and explain much. Also ignoring whether or not they explain it weakens Clark, would Diana not be the ideal person to give it to? She has super human abilities on a level that compares to Superman in this battle, and there is confirmation she was trained in weaponry with the Amazons (even if I assume spears were not among them for her), so I would assume she'd be the most capable to use it, especially since her weaponry is a major part of her combat ability compared to Superman being strong physically and punching his enemies rather than trying to use an object as the rest of the Doomsday fight and any other events people knew of like the Zod fight could correlate. That said, it weakening Clark is a relevant factor, because then it's not even just a matter of senseless self-sacrifice or anything. Clark using the weapon when it compromises his powers (which he clearly needs to stand up to Doomsday) decreases the chances they succeed at using it against him, and if Clark gets himself killed her might have also just doomed Diana and Bruce to an unwinnable battle for all he can be sure of. So besides being stupidly dangerous for him this is actively hurting their chance at success. tl;dr Wonder Woman knows this Spear can kill Doomsday and Clark gets severely weakened by it, yet he chooses to take it instead of trying to give his powerful ally an opening.

[@mattarcher8103]

Here b4 headmetwall to tell him that his timestamps are very appreciated

[@josephstalone6911]

I second that!

[@IronTulikettu]

The attack dog and the attack frog should have ripped him apart more. What a tism.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

02:20:19 -- One of my favourite things about EFAP is when Rags and MauLer who haven't read the comics, freestyle and brainstorm and actually come up with what happens in the comics. That's how bad the movie is. In the comics, Lex actually approaches Bruce Wayne in order to help rebuild Metropolis. This is consistent with Lex's care for his public image. Lex appears philanthropic and a good guy for rebuilding the city. Meanwhile Lex really wants grants, money and political power from the government, along with a real estate empire to keep the whole city under his thumb. Meanwhile, he manipulates Bruce into hating Superman and then shares Kryptonite and Lexcorp and Wayne Tech develop Kryptonite weapons together.

[@oliverlapthorn2505]

EFAP movies Small Soldiers when....let’s get some likes bois

[@donsambo5488]

I didn't know I needed this until I saw your comment.

[@elvickRULES]

“I’m not a ma’am!”

[@somethingguy912]

'Everything else is just a little clown boi'

[@Shockguey]

Mmmmm Kirsten Dunst

[@MandoWookie]

I will join you on this Quest!

[@christianyepez1016]

I still don't get why they needed the Kryptonite spear, all they had to do was let Wonder Woman kill him with love.

[@chrona13syandere79]

You guys needed to ask him: "Do you believe that objective truth exist?" This is the reason why the word "good" and "I like" is the same thing to him.

[@harry426]

4:08:07 Then your opinion is worthless and you bring nothing to the discussion. It's equivalent of saying "Both sides have good and bad points." 4:22:48 I don't always enjoy Rag's behavior, but this reaction was on f* cking point. Thank you, Rag's!

[@tuskinradar8688]

In our recent frustration w the Doggos takes or attitude, it can be easy to forget why we love the Doggo, and that debate was definitely one of them.

[@mantha6912]

Seconded!

[@CrimsonRaven86]

@@tuskinradar8688 the doggo just has very little patience for bullshit, and he tends to go for the throat on people who talk tough from behind their keyboard.

[@Kesyabasturd]

@@tuskinradar8688 I think it mostly pertains to Rags is attitude being directed at people that don't really deserve it but this Twin Perfect dude sounds like he was being obtuse.

[@tuskinradar8688]

@@Kesyabasturd the ongoing Rags kerfuffle is a complex issue, but TP definitely deserved the malice he received

[@omnishyguy]

Crazy that this guy swears up and down that he doesn't remember his video but can instantly claim what was covered in said video to counter Fringy.

[@BigBroTejano]

So... traditionally Lex has been shown as a businessman who very much understood the value of good PR... he gave to charity, he funded good causes... he was a “philanthropist”... he was still a evil greedy man who wanted more and more power...

[@StriderMack]

Imagine Superman going to workplace training to teach him how to not kill innocents when he fights off aliens, etc. "Ok, here's a robber. How prevent his crime? a) fly through buildings to get him b) laser a whole crowd to target him c) literally just walk up, grab him, and fly him to the police station"

[@edgarallanpwned6666]

C) Is a trick question

[@Jo_Der_Punk]

I think only the Marines Malevolent would fail that question

[@CardinalWest]

It’s weird how Rags feels compelled to take these little pot-shots at ATLA when he’s seen so little of the show, and it’s really ironic when he does so just after lambasting other people for having inaccurate references (as he does both here and in their coverage of Filmento’s video on Underwater). The scene where Zuko, Azula, Ty Lee and Mai talk at the end of the beach episode isn’t just “characters blatantly expositing their entire motivations” (though, of course, if you saw that single scene with practically zero context, you might be led to believe that). Sure, the stuff with Ty Lee and Mai (two side characters) is pretty on-the-nose and isn’t *as* supported by what we’ve seen before, but the focus in this scene is on Zuko, and his foil, Azula, who we’ve already learned tons about in more subtle ways. Isn’t the argument for “subtlety in writing” based on the idea that exposition is bad, not exposition? I generally like subtle writing, but sometimes it makes sense for characters to discuss things openly and bluntly - and by the time viewers reach this point in the show (nearly halfway through the third season), we’ve already been shown plenty of each of the characters involved in this scene. I just find it bizarre that someone would consider it unnaturally expository for a bunch of close friends on the cusp of adulthood to sit around and discuss their fears and insecurities. All four of the characters in the “beach scene” have already been well-established by then, and we know their personalities and motivations. And having learned a lot about them through the rest of the show, we then get insight into their respective characters when they open up to each other about past experiences that have shaped them into the people they are today, finally cracking and pouring out the insecurities that their society expects them to suppress and ignore. Simply dismissing it as “characters sitting around explaining their entire motivations” is as unfair as dismissing the Council of Elrond as “a bunch of characters sitting around explaining everything about the world.” Exposition is only bad when forced, and it is not forced in either of these situations. But, then again, if you haven't actually something, I wouldn't expect you to be able to discuss it accurately...

[@LTDLetsPlays]

he never got over that nonsense and he is probably pretty pissed off the fact that chat turned on him and keeps going against him

[@zachryder3150]

Cardinal West being a toxic brood member is such a relief to know

[@albedo5455]

Rags had his chance! Make more videos on tropes, Daddy West.

[@wraithoftime4221]

I took the main point of that scene as Zuko' conscience catching up to him and a point of him understanding that his father's respect and being honored by the Fire Nation wasn't worth what it cost. I thought it helped set up Azula's perception of being disliked by her mother (referenced in Zuko alone) as a justification she uses for her actions which also helps set up her loss of sanity in the finale. I think Rags is being a little unfair here.

[@albertocruzado2899]

Well said. If the scenes were just for those secundary characters to say that, talk about themselves to tell the audience their origin, I would agree. But it is not the porpuse. Providing insight about them is just a pathway to reach the real endgame of the scene: Zukos conscience catching up and Azula vulnerabily due to her total lack of hoe human relations works outside of "the job". And it is not like it was a blunt clarification of two character that recently arrived to the plot. Those two were already there for a season. Them being that specific with their closest friends to confirm something already suggested is not like the worst case of "exposition" or anything, or you can say the same about the entire Boromir performance in Elronds council. You could argue that they could have thought another way to do so, but at it is, it is OK.

[@crimsonking440]

"you're not arguing the point of the scene, you're arguing the execution" Well yeah. Literally anything could be made good with great execution. The problem is they wrote bad shit that doesn't make sense, and then the execution is awful

[@MaxRovensky]

6:02:05 I'm a former VFX artist. It's always funny to hear people speculate about how everything works :) Yes, we did in fact split up work, like you would do with any type of work There's also different stages which go to different people. On big budget production there are entire teams dedicated to just masking out captain marvel's hair, or just motion tracking corridors, or just reflection capture. There's a reason 80% of film's credits is visual effects people 😁

[@MaxRovensky]

@@pyerack yeah it's not dissimilar With movies there's also often a VFX supervisor on set to ensure stuff is shot the way director wants AND visual effects team needs

[@Ramsey276one]

80%?! And then there’s Choosing Beggars going “you sit there for 3 hours and make art” When people talk about things that THEY HAVE NEVER ATTEMPTED... I laugh XD

[@siegemaximo]

Batman’s “1% chance = absolute certainty” shit is a good argument for creating and having a weapon that can kill Superman. Just in case. It’s not a good argument for killing Superman.

[@Don11037]

Yup

[@GigaChadh976]

Yeah. Like remember when Batman and men Luthor were smart

[@jonasderkum528]

Space isn't even that far away. Superman only needs to fly 62 miles or 100 km upwards. That is only 10 seconds with escape velocity. They simply can not have the time to act. That is of course ignoring the fact that nuclear missiles don't reach escape velocity and that hitting a target the size of a Fiat Punto with one is practicly Impossible. But Hey, Details, right? 🤮

[@Ramsey276one]

Fiat Punto... Is it more explosive than a Ford Pinto? XD

[@ethanankrum4149]

@@Ramsey276one that’s actually how atomic bombs were discovered, someone rear-ended a fiat punto and the bumper split an atom, the aftermath was catastrophic.

[@VladDascaliuc]

This was Just Write levels of painful. I like it.

[@renegadexblackout]

I just watched Just Write's video on Attack on Titan, talk about completely missing the point. His video sounded like it was writen by a games journalist

[@grfrjiglstan]

Just Write, at least, had a principle he stuck to. This guy just wanted to defend DC at all costs, against all logic.

[@VladDascaliuc]

@@grfrjiglstan Yeah *giggle*, but *giggle*, you know *giggle*, the *giggle* giggle kinda annoys me *giggle*.

[@bartholomewofthebotflies5960]

@@renegadexblackout Just saw it and it was really fucking terrible. The series beats you over the head with a not-at-all-subtle THEME of "violence and hatred breeds more violence and hatred in a never-ending circle", but that massive somehow managed to interpret is as just "nazis r the good guyz" lmao

[@hahaha4556]

@Leider Tears That’s been a widely circulated ‘criticism’ of AoT for a while now. Something about their uniforms and salutes being ‘too similar’ or some other nonsense. I honestly don’t get it, I just tried coming up with an idea of the thought process and came up with nothing.

[@blitzkrieg1098]

Twin Perfect sounds like a politician with his answers. I'm laughing like a hyena.

[@TheWaterdog6]

"Starwars is a movie about a penguin on a seat" *le gasp* But the new movies had a penguin on a seat in the millennium falcon. The dream came true!

[@finalfantasy50]

was this an actual quote in this video?

[@TheWaterdog6]

@@finalfantasy50 Yes, when they debate.

[@finalfantasy50]

@@TheWaterdog6 do you have a timecode?

[@TheWaterdog6]

@@finalfantasy50 3:55:21

[@egoborder3203]

if there's one universally appealing quality about the character of Superman, it would have to be his cautious, prudent approach to solving problems. He wouldn't just do something if there was some possibility it wouldn't work, and that's mostly why people have been following his adventures for 80 years

[@SolarDragon007]

I'd say his warmth, optimism and humbleness despite wielding immense power are among his most admired qualities as well. He's good and caring person to his core, and even when he makes struggles/makes mistakes, he never loses sight of what's fundamentally right or wrong.

[@DRsatanus]

the fact that area of the city was abandoned does'nt mean it was uninhabited, i mean that huge "abandoned " building batman and superman fight in was made of concrete and somewhat structuraly sound, if i was homeless that would be one hell of a place to set up camp

[@dodojesus4529]

Mu first thought about the harbor stuff

[@donsambo5488]

Fun fact... Newborn Dewmsday's first meaningful interaction was was voilence from a being of similar power levels. In my head canon he has assumed this is a standard greeting or sign of affection and is just desperately confused why everyone is constantly pestering him with his equivalent of hugs.

[@Captain_Rhodor]

That explains so much XD

[@dodojesus4529]

HUG

[@crislouise2509]

It's like I'm watching a child who's being asked simple honest questions by adults and are afraid that there answers would get them in trouble. He doesn't want to answer anything.

[@djkori5521]

I mean in a sense after reading most of these comments yeah, but we can pretend that we'd respect TP after everything is said and done. Totally would be different from how we're shitting on him now

[@crislouise2509]

@@djkori5521 as far as I see it if he can admit he's wrong and learn from his failure then I'd be fine with him. But the thing is he refuses to grow as a person and a Critic witch is just sad. Unfortunately he and many others like him just can't admit when they are wrong and act like admitting it would be a fate worse then death for them.

[@djkori5521]

@@crislouise2509 not my point, my point is the people that hate him and would just see him as a "EFAP Villain" would just continue to do so. But then again this is all moot since it wasn't even a debate in the first place. The whole "I would have respected TP. If "X" " is just bullshit and we know it. Like I get it there are creators out there who are actual shite like Movie Bob and etc But TP actually makes good content. The videos in question aren't even videos I agree with, but people are putting his actual decent videos on the same level as MB and Just Write. That's something I just can't stand for. It's okay to hate TP go for it whatever, but as someone who believe in objectivity himself. his videos are very well made and entertaining af.

[@djkori5521]

@@crislouise2509 I wish they actually could have had an actual good talk or debate but this just wasn't it. This was probably the most spegiest video I've watched from efap and it disappoints me because this all could have been handled better

[@crislouise2509]

@@djkori5521 people can still f7nd entertainment with his content and when they look over a video they do acknowledge when he makes good objective points. I won't say they don't Riff on him for his editing or how he presents his arguments but if his arguments are sound they acknowledge it. It's just he contradicts himself and when asked to elaborate he refuses to or avoid the question. People who watch and pay attention to this video will see that yes they do jab at him at times but they are willing to and want to have a discussion with him.

[@RolyatSille]

A Lex Luther that’s a more modern billionaire being a social media tycoon would absolutely be better equipped to slowly propagandizing the public against Superman while manufacturing minor tragedies that build and build and build on top of each other until Superman’s rendered a public villain and feeling increasingly inadequate. Instead, Jolly Ranchers.

[@justincruz5720]

I would honestly love that take on Lex. Lex should be capable of pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

[@elvickRULES]

So what I get from this TP person is just, “everything I say you can’t take seriously so don’t talk to me about anything seriously. Also, I won’t give an answer to a simple yes or no question.” He doesn’t stand by his posts it’s just “Ross” whatever. He doesn’t stand by his video titles or tone in videos. Can’t answer if he thinks a movie is well written or not. Why bother listening at all to what someone like that has to say? It could just be a goof gaiz.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

@4:00:00 "You said some people could be objectively wrong" "There was also a Smug Ross" *groning Rag's "Is the REAL Ross here now?" 🤣🤣🤣

[@igorpedro8995]

"Will the real Smug Ross please stand up ? We're gonna have a problem here"

[@tylercoon1791]

‘Is this.....’Smug Ross’.....in the room with us right now?’

[@theaverageDon]

Post EFAP 100, Twin Perfect takes the award for World's Biggest MASSIVE 🦏🥛 What a wonderful "debate" with non-answers that'd make Jen Psaki blush

[@tyrantsmisery]

Pakistan sucks yes but she doesnt hold a candle to McEnany or Huckabee-Sanders in the realms of non answers and evasiveness.

[@kevinwilson455]

@@tyrantsmisery Mcenany and Trump gave answers all the time, it's just people did not like their rhetoric. It's the opposite with the Biden admin....... he hasn't even held a proper speech yet, in 2 months...... and his admin is still managing to lie whenever they do have speak. Also, the media is throwing softballs at them.

[@HerohammerStudios]

This is one of those episodes where I absolutely love Rags. His dismantling of Ross was so cathartic

[@arcuscotangens]

If Lex hates the sin of someone existing, how is that different from hating that person? Isn't Lex supposed to be super intelligent?

[@blizzardregulus]

Pretty sure that's the joke.

[@arcuscotangens]

@@blizzardregulus I'm afraid you need to be a bit more precise. Is the joke that he found a "clever" way to put someone down? Or is the joke that he isn't as clever as he thinks he is? Or is it something else?

[@SolarDragon007]

If I were to be generous, and the character was actually consistently written, the line COULD'VE meant that Lex doesn't really hate Superman. Lex could view the existence of Superman as inherently dangerous/problematic due to his immense power, but not have a personal grudge or animosity toward Superman as a person. It's a pretty vacuous statement in the movie though.

[@ThatGuy-bi9bk]

How do people unironically love and defend Snyder’s god awful movies.

[@Alec11_43]

They just really seem to revere his “vision” don’t they?

[@luxie8097]

People defended Cuties, literally anything is possible.

[@megashark1013]

People have defended a lot worse, and shall continue to defend a lot worse.

[@toddrobbins4608]

Ok sure they are poorly written nonsensical crap that are always depressing as possible and pretty much take all the joy and hope away from the audience... But... Um... on the upside .. Yeah, I have no idea where I'm going with this... Lol

[@amanibob1416]

I liked Watchmen, but I ain't going beyond the personal "I just liked it and bought the DVD bruh".

[@tulk3747]

"superman was suppose to die in this scene" argument reminds me of a funny. Way back in the olden days. I went to a get together at a house where they had rented Jurassic Park (it had just come out on video). Now I had read the book and was explaining the differences between book and movie as they came up. When it got to the scene where the scientists are getting on the boat during the storm to leave the island, I point out that the main Asian scientist (forget his name) left with the rest, and I point out in the Book he didn't leave and was one of the main characters. One of the girls at the party pointed out to me "Well maybe he didn't want to get eat by the dinosaurs" ?

[@AdonanS]

So she thought he didn't leave the island because he didn't want to be eaten by the dinosaurs on the island?

[@tulk3747]

@@AdonanS Yes. There are a few a anecdotes about that girls intellect over the years

[@ihavenophoneandimustmeme]

When Twin Perfect starts describing these other comics that explain Batman V Superman, it's like when people defended the disney sequels by saying it's explained in the comics. Only in the case of Star Wars, the comics they cite are at least in the same cannon, as messed up as that cannon may be. This guy literally defends in this movie by saying it's explained in comics that don't share the same continuity, so it's actually a worse argument. I'm astounded. Also spell check tells me to capitalize disney, but I don't care.

[@alosim1541]

Even then, I don’t think an outside source should be considered a good argument to justify flaws in a movie, whether it’s canon or not. Like, in the case of the shitty Star Wars movies, the LORE may be intact and consistent by including the books, but the MOVIE is still flawed. A good enough script should be able to stand on its own without needing books or shows to duct tape it. Movies are movies, books are books, and shows are shows. They can all be related, but none of them should completely rely on another to be consistent.

[@ihavenophoneandimustmeme]

@@alosim1541 Oh I agree. If I make the first argument seem favorable, I only mean it by comparison. I absolutely feel that a work should be able to stand on its own.

[@checkmarc8474]

disney doesn't deserve capitalization, even when put at the beginning of a sentence.

[@charnel8435]

I doubt he was genuine about it but in the end he came down to "I dont care if the movie are poorly executed. I prefer to judge them by the potential they had. If a movie had potential to be very good/interesting then its good or its good if it generates a debate about external things that have real life application" but its such a stupid position than that its hard to believe he was being legit

[@thereviewersblock7459]

It’s weird because every time you try to discuss the DCEU with a Snyder fan you either get “Well Snyder was trying to do a realistic take on Superman and his version is the one that made me like the character” Or “Snyder’s take on Batman and Superman is accurate to the comic, look” *shows a panel out of context and not remotely similar to the canon of that comic* So which is it, is Snyder trying to be faithful to the comics or do a different, realistic interpretation?

[@ConnL]

It pains me to hear that Twin Perfect tried to actively read negative connotations to several hypotheticals and questions the EFAP crew threw his way. It's sad to see how people disagreeing with you actively makes you think they're out to trap you in some nefarious mind game trap. Just answer the questions like a rational person, we're all people, it's a discussion.

[@grfrjiglstan]

Woof, that was a rough debate. I usually wish that everyone they cover would come on to give their side of the story, but...clearly not always. It seems like this guy was wholly unprepared for any kind of debate. It's like he just thought he could clap back and that'd be it, not actually have to back up his claims with logic. It wasn't even fun to watch the gang take him on - it's like watching Connor MacGregor beat up Kevin Hart - and Kevin was the one that started it. And yeah, the 6-on-1 may not be the most fair situation, but I don't think this guy could've held his own against any one of them.

[@nopatiencejoe6376]

That was kinda painful to see. But Twin Perfect shot himself in the foot the moment he typed on chat, if he just kept his composure and not typed on the chat that whole situation would be averted...

[@oddballskull1941]

So is “death of the author” what I would call it when I think Ridley Scott has no fucking idea what alien is about anymore

[@c-puff]

Yes. Or that his opinion that Deckard is a replicant in the first film actively makes it a less interesting film.

[@SefniAsheforr]

"What's with the smug emote?" "On my world, it means sarcasm."

[@federicoarmada8775]

I think BvS is the one that fails the most because it also tries the most. Even if all its logical failures were only at the level of MoS, this one pretends to be about politics and about theology, and tells you on your face that if you don't like it it's because you don't understand it.

[@SolarDragon007]

@@pyerack I think you could make a good sequel to Man of Steel that addresses the collateral damage while also introducing Batman, but they needed filmmakers who weren't drooling idiots.

[@HiddelS143]

Invincible literally makes a joke about how all the heroes throw their villains into space because DUH.

[@goji3755]

Imagine if, after the prologue with Wayne in Metropolis, we got a scene of the Daily Planet celebrating Clark Kent's latest article exposing Bruno Mannheim as an international crimeboss while a TV shows Bruno being arrested on the news (yeah, Bruno Mannheim. How's THAT for a lore dive?). It would establish Clark's growing reputation as a daring journalist, which would account for Clark Kent being enough of a public figure for Luthor to have a public excuse to request him as coverage for the party (in addition to his private motivation of knowing he's Superman), and being happy about him meeting Bruce Wayne, another wealthy figure with secrets for Clark to potentially dig up as he investigates the Batman. This Daily Planet scene could also end with a secret page from Lois, explaining how he knows she's in trouble at the start of the film.

[@teddybearpaladin]

bUt CrImE iS bOrInG, hE sHoUlD cOvEr SpOrTs. (Honestly not a bad idea. But given the unreasonable stonewalling Clark gets for covering a crime story in Gotham, no way this idea would have gotten past the cutting room floor. Actually it probably would have been butchered, mutilated, and have cheap, paper thin symbolism shoved up the corpses ass.)

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

It really irritates me how much Twin Perfect dodges the questions and tries to laugh it off.

[@fluff6811]

Que the frustrated Rag”s”, laugh. “Just answer the fuckin question”

[@snowyrabbitofinle1764]

This was fucking painful to watch. Twin Perfect's refusal to answer simple questions, the audacity to mock Rags for wanting him to answer said questions, the inability to tell the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, the refusal to admit that Man of Steel and BVS are objectively bad, the list just goes on and on! That aside, any chance of watching Cruella, Godzilla vs Kong and Tom & Jerry 2021 for EFAP Movies?

[@Alec11_43]

Despite you guys saying you’re done talking about this film, I’d still really like it if you did considering how twinperfect is just scratching the surface of the desperate BvS defenders.

[@grfrjiglstan]

Expand that to all DC defenders. I have a friend who's a DC fan, and the biggest admission I've got from him was that Suicide Squad was just "ok".

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

there also videos out there saying that if you like BvS but like Civil War, then apparently you are a hypocrite. I would like to see how they would respond to that.

[@diazinamon2431]

They didn't say they were done. This was just the last Twin Perfect video they were covering. However if I remember correctly, there is going to be a second Efap on BvS soon.

[@joumero7493]

@@grfrjiglstan I don’t think that’s fair to apply that to DC fans or even call your friend a DC fan as suicide squad actively ruined the characters it portrayed. I don’t see how you can like their comic version but think the character assassination in the movie is good.

[@spbynum]

And there you have it: Twin Perfect thinks something is good because he likes it, a position so many of these KZbin film critics hold. God forbid that they like something that is bad, as if guilty pleasures aren’t a thing anymore. No. They instead have to invent narratives for these films to increase their credibility but end up shattering it.

[@Party_Almsivi]

“The Discord! You posted the messages! We came! Now you must come with us!” >it was just satire... “Oh no! The posts were a means of summoning us! Now we are here!” >Who are you?! “Explorers! In the furthest reaches of media experience! Demons to some...angels to others!” >Go to hell! “We can’t.Not alone.“ “You sent the posts, we came, now you must come with us, and taste our perspectives...” >No, please! I didn’t mean to... “Oh please, no tears...it’s a waste of good suffering!” >Wait! “No time for arguments!” >Wait, You’ve done this before, right?! “Many, Many times...”

[@bradenmerriman5206]

I was just thinking of pinhead the second before reading this 🤣

[@olehoncho]

1:27:48 - "If I were his assistant, you know..." That long pause there left me in stitches and I'm glad nobody followed up on it - that Lex blew up Mercy, leaving him without an assistant to question his actions and motivations.

[@AJPzaworld]

Good lord, this debate made me so mad to watch. I cannot stand guys like Twin Perfect in conversation, nonetheless in a debate.

[@MajorWeedrow]

I fuckin love you MauLer. Thank you for all you do. You are brilliant and it's fantastic how you handled Twin Perfect.

[@absoluteirony9461]

I do not get from wgere this trend of suddenly liking the DC came from. When the movies came out they got hated and forgotten but now they suddenly reemerge. It this cuz of the pandemic, are people that bored?

[@charnel8435]

it gets clicks so people fake defend it.

[@DrBocks]

I think it's because everyone else went to watch good movies and now the small amount of fans that loved it originally have a director's cut coming out and they are trying to throw it in everyone's faces and have to be put down again.

[@GrimgoreIronhide]

I always love it when you ask someone to give you a general description of what what they judge films on, and then they respond with: "OH! So you want me to define in perfect exacting terms what my existential criteria for attaining knowledge is huh?! You want me to split the atom and unlock the secrets of the universe right here in front of you!? Well I just cant do that, you demand to much sir!" From now on whenever anyone asks me if we need Milk, or if I think the neighbors are being to loud with their music im going to turn on the questioner and say "WHAT DO I LOOK LIKE, THE AKASHIC RECORDS OF REALITY ITSELF?! I CANT TELL YOU THOSE THINGS, ONLY YOU CAN DEFINE THEM!"