EFAP #25 - A debate on Star Wars: The Last Jedi Ft. Vito and Maj0r Lee

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[@EveryFrameAPause]

SLICE AND DICE BROTHERS!

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

Yes MooLer!!

[@mariokarter13]

Pro Tip: If you can't keep deadlines, stop making them.

[@Grim2]

IT'S A MESS! THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT GOOD!

[@Grim2]

Force awakens is riddled with flaws, but it's a really great movie. Lee... dude... are you Ok?

[@BR-dy1ie]

Grim2 Every other thing he said felt like a contradiction. It’s taken me multiple tries to get through the stream while it was up earlier

[@Rags]

My head hurts.

[@mariokarter13]

The condom's too tight.

[@TheMaleRei]

You talked to a self-admitted Troll / SJW for five plus hours, I'd be shocked if your head didn't hurt.

[@LoganDrakes15]

Yeah the most of the efap was the most awkward I've ever experienced

[@TheAdarkerglow]

One of your best guest appearances yet, even so.

[@Grim2]

You put up one helluva fight.

[@666lupine666]

Lee: "Kylo would beat Luke because he is Buff." Rags: "is that how we decide (who is a powerful force user) by how BUFF they are?" Lee: "yes" Vito&Mauler: "but, Rei beat Kylo." Lee: "c'mon, guys, thats because she's a GOOD guy. you dont want to see the GOOD guy lose, do you?"

[@jacquelineking5783]

WartimeConsigliere we can however see Luke be a loser.

[@mistere5857]

This type of reasoning is far more common than most people realize. I'm not sure how to combat it because the people who do it utterly refuse to accept that they've made any error in logic.

[@whatNtarnation90]

This is how ALL of his arguments end up.. it's really really pathetic lol

[@christo-gj1qk]

Theres too many stupid people like major lee that like the last jedi and would make up ridiculous things to explain why its good.

[@hellokoukkouk6007]

Rey beat Kylo cause Kylo was wounded and emotionally split

[@cellperfecto421]

The Virgin Jack Saint * Male feminist * Thinks that The Last Jedi is better than the originals * Unironically thinks that Sky High is a case for eugenetics and fascism * Doesn't want to go to EFAP cuz long man bad The Chad Maj0r Lee * "Look at the wahmen" works as an ironic joke * Admits that the Sequels are not as good as the Original Trilogy * Doesn't take things seriouly * Goes to EFAP even if he is going to get roasted

[@oinkleberry]

Quality meme.

[@pezdispencer113]

@Jojo Memes weren't they talking about Starship Troopers, or did I miss something? Been listening in bits and pieces at work.

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

@Jojo Memes It's funny because Jack Saint would say that is the proper way to analyze movies since it is a certain, different perspective

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

@Jojo Memes to be fair, you CAN analyze something and extrapolate something that makes it more interesting, but to also say that Objective Critique is bad is just dumb to have alongside that. Jack is an interesting creature and I wish he would just jump on this podcast. Maybe he can bring Quinton (lol) or Just Write (actually possible).

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

Jojo Memes my favorite part was when he had to put Sargon’s take on Mauler in his video, yet leaves out many other people who could help make your case, definitely nothing to do with politics

[@ryanburnett8251]

"Kylo could crush Luke, that dude is so buff." Yoda: Size matters not. Look at me, judge me by my size do you? And well you should not. For my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it. It surrounds us. Between the tree and the rock. Luminous beings are we not this crude matter (pinches Luke's muscle). Literally the most ridiculous argument ever. Yoda would slap him.

[@alexandrethegreat]

He is also very proficient in combat in AotC, doing better against Dooku than full-sized Jedi like Anakin and ObiWan

[@Chance57]

"Swolo would totally crush Yoda too. He's newer so he's more powerful by default because the stakes have to increase." This guy, probably.

[@SpFlash1523]

Exactly. For example, Maul was smaller than both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, yet he was wiping the floor with them, in both 2v1 and 1v1. Maul would end Kylo in less than 10 seconds.

[@Canibalteaspoon159]

​@@Chance57 lol Major Lee? Is that you?

[@mitchki]

"Look how buff Kylo is, of course he would beat Luke!" *four seconds later* "Of course Rey beat Kylo, we don't want the good guy to lose!" I'm only 40 minutes in and I've already suppressed multiple aneurysms, I'll be back to watch the rest after a trip to the liquor store...

[@SpecterVonBaren]

So, almost a year later, did you in fact survive watching this video, or did the aneurysms get you? I shall take silence as the later.

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

Major lees side of this debate is so retarded it’s funny

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Rey didn’t beat Luke tho. He chose not to fight back. If you notice he hesitates with the force before falling down. He remembered what happened the last time he confronted a confused child so it was time for a different approach. For a man who believes the legacy of Jedi is failure based on their actions, Luke here is given a second chance to not repeat the same mistake. A sort of mini redemption.

[@kailaine3974]

@@Prof_Tickles92 i thought using the force to stop his fall was to prevent himself from getting a concussion on the stone stairs

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Kai Laine No silly lol. He fell on his butt. There’s no way he’s get a concussion in a sitting position

[@Longshanks1690]

"Whatever, it doesn't matter." - Bilbo Baggins

[@ContingencyPlan100]

The great Bilbo Baggins would never proclaim such folly!

[@trumpwonhereistheevidenced4390]

The exaltitude of your name combined with the banality of the quote is a special kind of humor that tickles my tinglestrings.

[@MyRickyjoe]

@Reaps51 This is why most of them don't do this. XD

[@Hello_All_My_N_Words]

"I feel spread too thin.. like bread over too much butter." -Bigideas Baggonius"

[@TheOtherWatto]

"You guys have to stop making fan theories" *Proceeds to justify his arguments by proposing dozens of his own*

[@lucascoval828]

La oof.

[@tobytombs8815]

>hates fan theories >loves reylo and calls it a theory

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

Wanna hit like, but you have a perfect 222 going on there...

[@intensellylit4100]

@@bloodrosereaper2099 it's clear.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

@@intensellylit4100 Well alright, then.

[@brianlauria]

turned out to be true tho

[@bigslurpee2078]

@K Ren Because Lee says things that are objectively wrong. That's why people criticize everything be says.

[@spartakick300FF5]

I'm kinda glad wolfie missed the stream. If movie bob gave him a headache, wolf would have killed himself in the middle of this one.

[@TheIZproductions]

No no no no no movie bob is way worse. Hes like actually insane

[@spartakick300FF5]

@@TheIZproductions After finishing this I can't say that Maj0r Lee isn't insane, but I agree with you on movie bob being worse.

[@smugalice6206]

Sparta Kick300 Major Lee wouldn’t want me beaten for voting for Trump

[@RogueFox2185]

He really dodged a bullet this time, Rags barely survived this one himself.

[@DiavoloRosso08]

I swear we reach new lows every EFAP o wait its EEFAP

[@Goddamnitiwantaname]

Watching this, almost 3 years later, after the people who made these movies admitted that they had no idea what they were doing, that there never was a plan and that they made it all up as they went along, makes his desperate defense even more hilarious.

[@prometheuspeanut3935]

Emperor Palpatine - “Ironic”

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

@@prometheuspeanut3935 In my opinion.

[@REXX399]

😂

[@REXX399]

​@😂prometheuspeanut3935

[@masterphillips]

Just finished it for the first (and last) time. After about an hour I had to speed up playback otherwise I was not going to make it. Funnily, listening at 1.25x speed made it sound pretty apparent that Lee was just trying to piss everyone off through positivity towards TLJ, no matter how stupid it made him sound. Whether he was doing it intentionally or not, the constant goalpost shifting and shrugging off being cornered with "well, whatever," or "that's your opinion" did not endear him to me. I'm sure he'd quickly reply he didn't come to EFAP to make fans. "Whatever." The troll was well fed but in the end I think I just pity him.

[@elmerserrano3705]

How can one man have the energy to be proven wrong for five hours straight?

[@melialialee5445]

honestly if i was him id be crying within the first 20 minutes

[@techno639]

He can't be proven wrong, it's a movie

[@Harrinsain]

@techno639 bruh

[@aethertoast4320]

@@Ballislife32 honestly, if you are incapable of admitting the faults and issues with something, you can't really say that you are really invested in or enjoy it cause you aren't really thinking about what is happening enough to absorb anything about it. If what I just said makes sense this is why ardent defenders or fanboys don't really count as actual fans.

[@pef6469]

@@Ballislife32 stfu with that bs. It's because the "problems" are actually just fanboys, that can't get that Skywalker cock out of their mouths, crying.

[@6ucket]

His whole argument is pretty much “yea, but have you considered that I didnt notice it when i was watching it.”

[@Debicus]

But how did it make you *F E E L ?*

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

"WhAtEvEr"

[@kingsman5121]

YoUrE wAtChInG MoViEs wRoNg

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@Tom Ffrench Why are you so objectively butthurt? I've seen you all over this comment section saying really dumb things. You say, 'It's ok to criticise', and then you whine that people have criticisms... f*cking pick one dude. At least be more consistent than these sh*tty movies 🤣

[@r.henryjr.1533]

@Tom Ffrench I don't know where you got the first two, but the third I know for a fact is untrue, they have never said that at all.

[@lt3746]

“Rose is probably gonna have that same role in episode IX” *That did not age quite so well*

[@inquisitionagent9052]

Dude none of his quotes aged well

[@davidcatabui2018]

@@inquisitionagent9052 yeah I'm watching this for the first time taking a deep dive through lore I missed and I was losing my mind hearing this guy's defenses and predictions. He must have hated TroS for the polar opposite reasons the efap crew did. Hell even Jay had a fantastic take on it and he came up with rhino milk

[@connormoorerocks]

@@inquisitionagent9052 nothing he said was born well.

[@jayjaydeth]

Major Lee: "Yeah, but the second time you watch the movie..." I Hate Everything: "The third time I watched it, I wasn't bored."

[@barrettbirks1058]

he never said that!

[@James-pt2vk]

@@barrettbirks1058 who?

[@barrettbirks1058]

@@James-pt2vk I Hate Everything, he never said that in his video

[@James-pt2vk]

@@barrettbirks1058 yeah he does, 3:40 is when he starts talking about the viewings

[@jayjaydeth]

@@barrettbirks1058 I don't know what video you watched, but he did.

[@royalraptor6245]

I CLAPPED!!! I CLAPPED FOR STAR WARS!!! Seriously though Lee missed the point on almost everything, he missed the point more then storm troopers missed the main characters.

[@skankyassmarty220]

At least the stromtroopers try to hit the mark.

[@MyRickyjoe]

Meta plot armor. He fills in the gaps himself because he needs this movie to be serviceable.

[@Dektoonics_inc.]

Clonetroopers are way more efficient

[@lordsurvivor5663]

he missed the point more then Dany missed Cersei

[@SaintMaxxi]

Heck yeah, I'm a clapping fool. Who's red letter media?

[@fryingpanstan4596]

Lee: this is good EFAP: no it’s bad because of x, y, and z Lee: well it doesn’t really matter

[@thesultanofswing8706]

That's something they all do. "Oh, I love this thing so freaking much!" "Well it doesn't make sense because of this, this, and that." "IT DOESN'T FREAKING MATTER IT'S A SPACE MOVIE IGNORE THEM JUST ENJOY THE MOVIE WHY DO YOU GET HUNG UP ON THINGS THAT DON'T MATTER REEEEEEEEE" They flip flop on their views depending on what you say.

[@seank.2589]

Lee: """""""W H A T E V E R""""""

[@seank.2589]

@@thesultanofswing8706 Right, the themes are so deep, but don't think about the inconsistencies.

[@thesultanofswing8706]

@@seank.2589 They really just can't admit their movie has a problem. It's as if their life depends on this film being good.

[@travisadams6279]

@@thesultanofswing8706 People are not usually self aware enough to realize that they just enjoy something, even if its not objectively good. And end up defending its flaws, or not thinking about them critically because they might not of even noticed most of them in the first place. So they defend the thing, throwing bad arguments out there that come from their feelings and not logic. Then they must defend their bad arguments so they dont look bad and get very defensive because they enjoyed the thing/movie in question.

[@lumeronswift]

"If some people like something, it definitively isn't bad." If I recall... some people liked Stalin. I know for a fact that some people actually wish he was still alive and in power.

[@TheGamingAngel18]

Lumeron Swift Serial killers and rapists love committing atrocious crimes therefore it isn’t bad

[@robinthrush9672]

@@TheGamingAngel18 And they get groupies, so it's pretty obvious that serial killers and cult leaders are good people.

[@ergoth154]

Lumeron Swift I would say if some people like something then it definitively isn't without value but to say it's not definitely bad is a whole other ball park.

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

There are people who follow OJ Simpson on twitter so.... guess hes a gud guy now

[@OkOk-vj9db]

1:30:03 "Why is that being good?" "It is! It just is." Argumentation 10/10

[@colivas8414]

1:15:51 "It is, it's a casino." "HAHAHAHA." I died here.

[@elijahbachrach6579]

These are often the same people who will change their ground and say, “I have my opinion, just like you have yours and it’s all subjective” when the argument turns against them.

[@UFC_Buffalo]

@@elijahbachrach6579 but the whole point is that opinion is completely and totally irrelevant, so likely not.

[@elijahbachrach6579]

@@UFC_Buffalo context: I was replying to a comment which was quoting their guest.

[@Какой-тоБлогер-ц8г]

It JuSt WoRkS

[@eras1066]

1:31:15 MauLer: "Who do you think is cleaning that mess up?" Lee: "...That kid." MauLer: _"The kid."_ Lee: "With his broom..." MauLer: _"The _*_broom."_* I love it, it sounds like a dad making his six year-old realize how dumb he was for doing something wrong.

[@adowner7298]

It's one of the sweetest parts of this episode.

[@Themaxxrad99]

This is absolutely the best moment in the video, watching Rags lose his mind hurts my heart.

[@davejones9469]

Sounds like the slave driver's first words to that kid in the morning lol

[@Wackaz]

Lol what?

[@lt3746]

Well Rags does say it’s like talking to a child so

[@slanderman92]

Moronic arguments or not, Lee took getting dunked on in someone elses audience like a champ.

[@duckman3394]

You might be right, if he even noticed.

[@TurKlack]

Because he's to dumb to understand what has happened.

[@GabeSweetMan]

I have several friends like this where having a discussion with them is actually painful because they are too dumb to understand how to formulate a logically consistent argument. Instead they deliberately avoid defining any terms, OR even if they do the definitions conveniently change to suit their argument in the moment irrelevant to how it impacts their previous statements. These discussions then become a series of Schrodinger's Cat experiments in which every argument they make is simultaneously every variation of the same argument with every definition of every word being used and every time you open one of the boxes you discover a contradictory outcome that retroactively alters the states of the previous boxes until finally you open the final box, the other boxes disappear and all that's inside is a note that reads "Look, I don't actually care what you think and I'm not going to change my mind. I just want to win the argument."

[@GabeSweetMan]

Having finished the archive I have to say, while Lee's arguments are infuriating, the man himself is so good natured it's literally impossible to hate him even if I hate his arguments or lack thereof. Good on ya Lee, you were able to have a disagreement but still remain civil and courteous like an ADULT in spite of your child-like wonderment of the flashing colors and pretty women that seem to distract you so easily.

[@Saddamuel]

@@GabeSweetMan If he enjoys the film for superficial reasons then there's no reason to believe he would be an unpleasant individual. I mean it as no offence when I say that there's no reason to expect a dumb person will act like a child or a in a mean spirited manner. The problem comes with the ideological types who seem to enjoy TLJ as a piece of propaganda. They specifically enjoy those aspects that actively make the film terrible. The analogy I thought of is that it's the difference between liking Stalin because of his facial hair and liking Stalin because he murdered counter revolutionaries and starved millions of people. The latter is worrying because the person likes Stalin for precisely the reasons he is a monster. The former is so irrelevant that all I can do is say "ok".

[@GabeSweetMan]

@@Saddamuel I agree. A fair distinction. It's becoming increasingly rare to find someone who is not ideologically driven in their opinions these days and it's nice to finally encounter someone on the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of taste who actually believes what they believe not because of some ulterior motive (i.e. the "dogwhistle" argument) but because they genuine care about the thing they are arguing in favor of, albeit poorly.

[@Saddamuel]

@@GabeSweetMan Such people are the silent majority who are busy enjoying things. The small minority who are hyper motivated are the types insisting on injecting their politics into everything. Not just movies or games but into the news, into companies, in universities. It only takes a dedicated minority who care about pushing their ideology for it to permeate the culture. Maj0r Lee is either a troll or a normal guy who doesn't care about politics either way.

[@GnogginGnome]

Gabe Sweetman I know what you mean, I have a group of friends that won’t listen to a single thing against the new star wars movies.

[@niks3632]

this is fascinating: " it did not bother me,...." " without it, there would be no movie...." somehow these TLJ-defenders manage to utter the exact same empty statements each and everytime.

[@january3rd293]

@@jessewam Patrick is like the overarching villain that doesn't allow himself to be touched.

[@joeyn985]

Every movie is good because every movie has to be exactly how it is and couldn't be different and mistakes don't matter

[@akshayhere]

Movies are not a series of logical choices. Most movies would end too soon if everything happened logically.

[@grayski3324]

@@akshayhere Then have good writers who can work with that.

[@akshayhere]

@@grayski3324 There is literally no drama if everyone acted like perfect logical beings.

[@guardingdark2860]

It seems to me that Maj0r Lee is a very emotional, in the moment viewer; he's concerned with how he's feeling in that moment, and he eats up all the cues that movie makers use to get the audience to feel how they want them to feel. I legitimately never thought I would witness someone who exemplified the pure, Platonic embodiment of this concept, but that is pretty much all this stream was. Even a moment's consideration showed him how wrong he was, but he still went "yeah, but in that moment, I felt really emotional, and that was their goal so it was good". I think the prime example is when he says he shouted in the theater when Snoke got cut in half. Listen to his justification for that (2:24:33) and tell me that doesn't scream "emotionally manipulated".

[@RandomizedCTRL]

And that is really the best, good-faith interpretation of his points that you could make.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Should meet my dad. Asshole is so surface level on the movies and shows he watches he considers it a plus if he can fall asleep in an opening scene, wake up on the closing one, and miss nothing. He also hated when a Netflix original series developed an over arching, more serialized format instead of episodic. Also also, he demands you be able to summarize any show, movie, whatever in one sentence. Example, A Midsummer Night's Dream is summed up by him as "girl falls for a guy on the wrong side of the tracks".

[@quietone2674]

The thing that frustrated me about him was how MauLer and Rags kept pointing out plot-breaking flaws and him just saying "that doesn't matter." I think you're right that he's an emotional viewer, rather than a logical one. The weird start where he defended Battlefront 2 is kind of indicative of that. I don't think he's a dishonest guy, or even a super dumb one, but that he's easily emotionally manipulated and cares more about the feelings something gives him than its structure. It does make me wonder what flaws he *does* think matter, and I think any one he picked out would tie to his emotional investment. In fact, I think there's proof of that in the stream: when MauLer shared Luke reacting to Han's death he was trying to justify cutting it for time, but also seemed to agree it should have been kept in the movie. That scene has a huge emotional impact in it and he admitted he'd have liked to see it in the movie.

[@travisadams6279]

@@quietone2674 But dont you have to be kinda "dumb" to just be gripped by the most surface level of things, and not even notice when theres countless logical inconsistencies? Wouldn't an intelligent person have a hard time enjoying the surface level stuff (even if they are a fan of it) because all the nonsense and broken logic pulls them out of the immersion, and they cant help but notice, because they pay attention and think critically? And wouldn't a slow emotional person be totally caught up in the simple cues and appeals to emotion or nostagia, like a shiny set of keys jangling in front of a toddler?

[@quietone2674]

@@travisadams6279 I agree. My only counter to that would be people who are intelligent aren't that way all the time. I mean, I enjoyed Dr. Strange 2. I will NEVER defend the writing. It was nonsense all the way through. But I'll admit the effects and bizarre visuals had me enjoying the wtf of every stupid scene. I enjoyed a bad movie purely for the surface level shit. Lee's mistake is equating enjoyment with quality.

[@resident429]

If his defense of TLJ was an act he deserves a goddamn Oscar.

[@thelurkingpanda3605]

I can't tell you how many times I considered if he was trolling

[@grayski3324]

@Tom Ffrench There wasn't anything there. Rey has no reason to even care about Kylo until they were forced to be in love a bit.

[@Aacezay]

@Tom Ffrench there wasn't anything lol wtf

[@Aacezay]

@Tom Ffrench You are actually hilarious lmaooo your ignorance knows no bounds and your fake arrogance is the cherry on top. YOU are film illiterate and it actively is proven by the movie you choose to defend. It’s ok to like bad movies you moron.

[@spartansquid5931]

@Tom Ffrench Even if those deleted scenes were included and did in fact imply something romantic or sexual, that would still be bad writing as there is absolutely no logic or justification for Rey liking or falling in love with Kylo. At best you could argue Kylo wants to possess her. This would be like Padme falling in love with Anakin 10x faster than she already did (which was already considered rushed), but with the addition of Anakin killing someone very close to her and being a mass murderer tyrant. Essentially Padme falling for post-order 66 Anakin/Vader in basically half a day. How does this make sense to you, simply because there was a scene of them being somewhat physical? You realize bad writing exists right And just because something does happen or can be strewn in some way does not mean it was good writing, or has good logic or justification. A writer can just simply fuck up, easy.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I got the very strong impression that Maj0r Lee only wanted to discuss subjective opinions, because he desperately tried to avoid even acknowledging objectiveity by changing the subject or by trying to discuss objectivity via his feelings. Sometimes I got the impression he didn't even want to discuss his own opinions because he kept referencing what other people feel. Argumentum ad populum I suppose. I guess it's better then Just Write who just plain doesn't understand art and has this war on objectivity, but this sort of hampers the debate when Maj0r Lee doesn't want to say anything definitive.

[@ademetal]

Just Write does understand though, he's used objective arguments to make some great videos in the past, but for some reason TLJ just made people put on the blinkers and follow the "no such thing as objective opinion" line that so many do.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@ademetal Does he? In his latest video "Can You Judge Art Objectively? Just Write is basically lying makes is when he declares that art doesn't have a definitive, describable purpose, comparing art to a hammer. Propaganda movies, Ming Vases, Stained-Glass Windows in Churches, Statues, he's lumped them all into some kind of "abstract art" category and ignoring their intended purposes.

[@ETBrooD]

This part broke me: "One of it's qualities is that it does new things." "So because it does new things that means it's better?" "No no, that's not what I'm saying."

[@ademetal]

Yes, I know, he's changed a lot recently, I certainly get the impression that as of late he definitely does toe the line of subjectivity is everything and objectivity doesn't exist. In the past however his work made a lot of objective arguments I found very interesting and compelling, now though, I have no reason to watch him, I mean why would I watch him as opposed to some random guy on KZbin just argue their feelings? I actually want to learn something or gain some insight when I watch a video and Just Write can't do that anymore, because he's become very manipulative and evasive in wanting to use objective statements and hiding behind subjectivity.

[@CalebHimself]

Yeah, literally the whole time Lee goes "That doesn't bother me" or "That didn't matter to me" or "That's really cool." It started to make me get a headache.

[@jakegriffith6871]

The fact that you stayed sane doing 5 hours with this guy is quite a testament to your willpower.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Also Lee's argument of 'You really think Luke would have taken up that lightsabre after letting Han die and be like 'Okay, now I'm ready." Why would Luke learning that Han was killed prevent him from wanting to take up arms to prevent other people he cares about from being killed?... May as well say 'My house burned down and I didn't have an extinguisher to stop it... So I no longer want to have a fire extinguisher and don't want to stop fires." Of course it's Lee, so why do I even try?...

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@oneiroagent Yeah, Luke has evolved. Sucking the milking out of fat animals was the true path to enlightenment. Luke has become the Buddha of Star Wars and you just have to accept that the themes are brilliant. /s

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@oneiroagent Yeah, entire movie is awesome because of one scene. Are u 9? /s

[@beneadie7147]

Edax what scene did he say made the movie? idiot.

[@onepoundswallowtwopoundcoc3115]

@ben eadie when did he say one scene killed the entire film? A: He didn't! Better question, why didn't you two numb skulls actually read what he wrote?!

[@onepoundswallowtwopoundcoc3115]

@ben eadie there, now we both made a mistake. Would you care to reread Edaxs posts?

[@PublicLeeSpeaking]

Maj0r Lee is the embodiment of disingenuous argumentation. He Gish Gallops constantly, states false thing as true with complete confidence, answers questions that were never asked to avoid answering your actual questions, moves the goalposts constantly, and worst of all will admit that you are right, then continue on as if he hasn't just been proven wrong. The last bit is the worst as it reeks of "I'll say you're correct to get you to stop talking about this, not because you've actually convinced me" thinking. He'll agree that you're correct, and then continue on as if he was the one who was correct instead, throwing any argument he can, no matter how vacuous, at you to try to 'win'. Also, it's probably for the best that he wasn't there. He would've had an aneurysm over the sheer stupidity of this guy's arguments. Hell, it made MY head hurt, and I was just listening.

[@Goramann]

You summed it up pretty well. I never in my life experienced such uncomfort while listening to someone. I don't even think he understands what he is doing or how he comes across. I'm actually pretty sure that like 99% of people who listened to this haven't understood how absurdly awful he presented himself here. And I don't mean maliciously, but just cluelessly (is that a word?). And that's the worst part about it. I can't even be mad at him. The only thing I can do is shake my head and keep watching at this once in a lifetime dumpsterfire.

[@adamp6320]

Very well put. I can't get over if he is a troll or a moron. At least he wasn't a jerk though (scratch that if he turns out to be a troll).

[@justjoshin7225]

I think he is either an idiot or in denial.

[@dricsi07]

Honestly this should have been. EWAP. "Every Word A Pause" because holy shit. This guy is delusional, he was unable to make up any point at all. All of it was "to him".

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

PublicLee Speaking Look at it this way; he actually came on the podcast Eric, Harris, Jack, Quinton, Patrick, Tonald. None of these “Flawless critics” will so much as grace this little corner of the internet to discuss why they’re right. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

[@NickMK]

Arguments were basically "It was perfect" "It was well done" "I clapped for that" and when counter arguments were presented as to why that is objectively not the case, the response was "ahh I don´t know" "That´s really not that important" "All movies have flaws" and "Well...maybe *unsupported explanation*"

[@krieghart5515]

don't forget "ah whatever." Dude has a better movie in his head, but doesn't realize it's not the same as the actual movie everyone else watched.

[@Phiro00]

not to forget "it didnt bother me"

[@krieghart5515]

@Tom Ffrench I think both focus on what they hate/love about it. Sure, there's things to both love and hate, but overall it's the taste left in your mouth that leaves the most lasting impression.

[@bass-dc9175]

Objective flaw: "It doesn't bother me" Fan Theory based nonsense and eye candy/fan service: "I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT!"

[@TehComs]

Every defense of Battlefront 2 can be overturned by Battlefront II (2005)

[@Replica_Films2000]

@Super JLK nice joke

[@Replica_Films2000]

The 2005 one is allot better also wtf leveling system does that mean you unlock worthless cosmetics that dont do anything usefull whatsoever and you cannot shoot while sprinting and die constantly from people you cant see sounds fricken amazing if you like it thats your problem and i feel bad for you...*Im only half serious its 2:15 AM right now*

[@Replica_Films2000]

@@Rrrrry123 i have never played the multiplayer off any halo game other than halo 1 and my view on that was that it was poorly ballanced now all il say on reach is that there are so many more dimensions that you can have in the gameplay if it did....even if it was miniscule. Now as to sprinting its more that sprinting is in it but let me explain back when it was first entroduced it was dast really fast so fast you could argue it dident even matter that you cant fire as the speed makes up for all the short comings entirely. Nowadays more often than not your jogging not even sprinting just jogging and they call it sprinting and you cant fire your gun while doing anything other than slowly shuffel on the ground no halo doest have , THAAT but the sprinting is not nearly as fast as it should be to justify having minus effects id rather just not have sprinting at all and have my overal movement speed be slightly faster o

[@557deadpool]

@@Replica_Films2000 Boi, shut your clown ass up

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

Battlefront II is such a gem of a game, still the best, and space battles are awesome

[@sunbro6998]

"We don't want the good guy to lose" -- which is what literally happens in Empire Strike back, all the good guys lose.

[@harry426]

And the entire prequel trilogy ends with the villains winning.

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

And empire was the movie that Rian ripped off whole sections of, but he didn’t get what about empire made it great

[@StampTV3]

infinity war, civil war, ESB, Rouge One (kinda, they won but everyone died), Pretty much half of the prequels, the second and third act of the last airbender (the show), the witcher (books, games still great tho). but its fine, fuck the bad guy.

[@talunable]

I stumbled upon EFAP when I was looking for GOT season 8 rants. At that point I only was interested in GOT and Marvel content. Later, for some reason, I decided to watch EFAP from the 1 episode. I'm really happy that I did. It's so much more fun to watch when I know the lore. You totally feel like a second family to me. Appreciate you all. You created something great. Thank you.

[@Goldengolfer330]

God listening to this guy was painful

[@Kaucukovnik666]

He has a professional voice of hype. Luckily the real people kept throwing in wrenches so he couldn't fully get it going.

[@Gamsterjeff600]

That was rags

[@framegenius9205]

Random Stormtrooper But none of Lee’s points made any sense and he contradicted himself and the previous films all the time. What were they supposed to do? Just go with it and not critisize him?

[@mcrn1994]

@Random Stormtrooper And as every shitty stormtrooper, you missed the point. Your overlord Lee doesn't provide any valid arguments. MauLer and co. invited him over to defend his point of view, and he failed miserably. Now go be a wanker somewhere else.

[@elephantpowerproductions]

At least he actually bothered to come on and not be a shitty person to everybody

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

I can see why Wolf wasn't here this time.

[@braydoxastora5584]

@chaoszieg after mauling lee to death

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Can you imagine that carnage?

[@MarcAlcatraz]

Wolf has such a temper he would flip out at the first contradiction Lee presents

[@dricsi07]

Wolf would have died. Hell even I would have started screaming bllody murder after the first 5 minute.

[@aTalkingKoala8294]

Wolf just hasnt evolved as a critic. Hes not looking at things through the correct lens and if you consider reader response theory, you can really see that.

[@robinthrush9672]

It's funny that Rose starts off preventing Finn from saving what he loves instead of fighting what he hates (leading to losing a large number of the Resistance at the end of a futile sub-plot), then at the end stops Finn from fighting what he hates instead of saving what he loves (I'm not sure what he loves at the end, to be honest), causing the Resistance to become vulnerable. Oh, and Finn's wrong while Rose is right despite the outcomes of her actions.

[@Prof_Tickles92]

No. Rose along with DJ taught finn to fight for a cause as a whole, not just individuals like Rey/Poe. She saved him from making a pointless sacrifice like her sister did.

[@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486]

Professor_Tickles 92 a sacrifice that would’ve saved the resistance: pointless? Btw that doesn’t justify Rose’s actions, when she crashed into Finn the chances of them both dying were so high but nah it’s fine because plot armour. Also Rose’s sisters sacrifice was not pointless, her sacrifice led to the destruction of the biggest threat to the resistance that the first order currently possessed

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Deus Vult Finn’s sacrifice was pointless because the beat was already disintegrating his speeder. He’d have been vaporized before he hit it. Paige’s sacrifice did take down an imperial ship but the victory was in vain because Poe’s reckless actions cost a great deal of resistance soldiers. So they had a greater net loss.

[@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486]

Professor_Tickles 92 1. That first statement is quite simply false. Finns speeder was being melted by the beam but was still in tact when he was within a couple feet from the laser and would’ve absolutely made it. Plus that just raises the question on why Finn was even still alive after Rose crashed into him considering his speeder was already melting, the crash should’ve left him in pieces scattered across the ground. 2. When the stakes involve destroying the biggest threat to the resistance currently being used by the empire, losing a bombing squadron is absolutely worth it and Poe made the right decision. If Poe has listened to Leia the bombing squadron still would’ve been destroyed considering they were already within range of the ship and are incredibly weak, they would’ve been gunned down anyway and nothing would’ve been gained, plus the biggest threat to the resistance, the most powerful ship owned by the empire would still be in the air as an active threat.

[@attilapataki46]

@@Prof_Tickles92 wow you are so wrong...

[@johnellisbushbush]

“It’s a mistake but it was meant to be there so it’s fine”

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

I think Major Lee was surprisingly friendly, more than his comment on MauLer's 100k subs Twitter post, and I enjoyed listening even though it was clear he didn't understand the mentality of the EFAP crew in critiquing movies (same arguments as Just Write, which is funny to me). I would be all for seeing him again but with him hating something, just to sort of get his take on it.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Ehhh, kinda of, but he was the first and most willing to throw insults.

[@adamp6320]

He wasn't a jerk in the EFAP (quite the opposite) but he was really annoying and came across like he is a troll or actually a stupid person. I like Mauler and Rags and Wolf because they're smart people. Debating with trolls or idiots isn't fun.

[@crosstrigger1]

He made a lot of good points. And I do agree with his assessment of Kylor and Rey having a dysfunctional relationship akin to love. It's unfortunate that some of his good points were ridiculed by the three other hosts and played for jokes. Lee did have problems with his defense, but the debate was by no means balanced.

[@errant3]

@@crosstrigger1 Good point? Not according to something called, Logic.

[@sammydray5919]

@@crosstrigger1 How was it a good point?

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

4:11:51 My superchat gets cut off and not read out fully :( "The Not So Great Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo" At least MauLer chuckled at it before finishing it

[@heliophobia5279]

F

[@RogueFox2185]

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[@meris8486]

F

[@massivetism]

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[@jamesparsley5796]

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[@zachpulido5972]

If only we could look at wahmen

[@SoullessAIMusic]

Theres so much here that aged terribly, "If Luke was researching in a library bad ass fighting techniques thats not good enough to let Han die." In Episode 9 Luke was researching where the wayfinder was which let Han die I guess LOL

[@cranberryrosebud]

I know this comment is old, but since you brought it up, I'd like to mention that I'm still not over the fact that they called it a "wayfinder" - "Hey, we need a name for this thing in the movie...it's an object that helps people find the way." - "...how about 'wayfinder'?" - "Genius!"

[@SoullessAIMusic]

@@cranberryrosebud Thats been an interesting contrast in a lot of star wars; story based products. They usually give an important piece of the story a self describable name while everything else has strange inventive names; A good example of this is, The Light Saber, The Star Force, The Death Star, The Codex. As long as its important star wars will give it a self descriptive name.

[@cranberryrosebud]

@@SoullessAIMusic I never thought about those before - I guess it’s just their thing, although wayfinder sounds the least cool imo

[@Fyrecide]

@@cranberryrosebud A "wayfinder" is an actual term used IRL though. Specifically, signs with directional pathing are called "wayfinding signs". I work for the government, believe me... I deal with them all the time. Also, it is a technical term for a piece of coordination equipment. I admit it's not the most creative term, however it *is* one that tracks with real life and is therefore relatable and familiar. They don't exactly come up with new, bombastic names for everything because they don't need to. They still call ships "ships", for example.

[@srj34]

Anything could maybe happen in a movie. Therefore there was nothing wrong with The Last Jedi.

[@mrmackellar3337]

I gotta give Maj0r lee credit, he’s actually pretty damn chill, even if his argumentation is really bad

[@jrthehunter4309]

I agree. Even though I disagree with him, as a viewer, I found him and MauLer to be the most "Likable" on this podcast. Both were fairly chill and respectful

[@blazefa.]

@@jrthehunter4309 true, Vito was making me cringe

[@madcapmakov2]

Major Lee is chill

[@DovahKanye]

I'd rather someone who was infuriated with good arguments to be honest.

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@@madcapmakov2 Yeah, super chill... when he's actually having to engage the people he talked sh*t about in his videos 😂

[@TwentyPercentDash]

Even though you didn't have on Blessed Pipe Man and our great Jared to discuss Just Write's new video on Objectivity, this was a truly great EFAP. I really like hearing you guys have intense debates, and I look forward to more.

[@DB1Dragoon]

Check out Smudboy video bro it's damn good at pointing out the bullshit in that video.

[@wlfmanjack]

There is something seriously wrong with Last Jedi defenders. Like in all my years of discussing films and tv shows I have never seen a group of people so dedicated to defending a movie, that they advocate for arguments that contradict any form of quality. Like he seriously fucking said there should be scenes that go no where. Like WHAT, never been a good thing in the history of filmmaking. In any other film a pointless scene would be criticized relentlessly for being pointless but because it's the Last Jedi it gets a free pass. I hope for the sake of our species that in a decade or two from now, we look back at the Last Jedi arguments and wonder how the fuck did anyone think these made sense.

[@TheJesterInYellow]

I am objectively the senate.

[@Nightfall815]

I objectively don't like sand...

[@zachgilbert3815]

In my opinion the Jedi are subjective!!!!!!

[@vashviper9346]

I objectively have the high ground!

[@scottski02]

Once more the Sith will objectively rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace...in my opinion

[@ProxyDoug]

I'll try spinning, that's an objectively good trick.

[@russmurphy3645]

"It didn't bother me" is probably the worst fucking argument anyone ever says.

[@saltytattie833]

7 minutes in, Major Lee seems pretty decent so far. EDIT: 30 minutes in and I want to die. EDIT +: 40 minutes in and I am just going to skip to EFAP 26

[@Sunny-jv7yt]

I am now 3 hours in I am ready to kill younglings

[@catsquidcatoverlord9842]

5 hours in, the younglings are dead.

[@yeetdiscreet1278]

Five hours and 25 minutes in, I am drunk on the blood of the younglings.

[@mellow156]

Exactly the same, just can't stand to listen to lee anymore lol

[@thememesjack6128]

@@yeetdiscreet1278 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[@afelias]

2:24:35 "Slice and Dice!" 2:28:18 "Yeah, brother!" You're welcome.

[@afelias]

2:43:57 "Their fingers were touching."

[@laughingoctopus8556]

That major Lee guy is a troll

[@Amphidex]

I swear, some of his arguments I kept thinking "The hell? This guy MUST be trolling." props on coming on Lee, but goddamn I hope you aren't legit in some of these defense arguments.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Of the highest caliber.

[@georges4061]

I think it's a character he plays for KZbin

[@georges4061]

I don't know what he needs to be "responsible" for. He's just talking bullshit. It's not that serious.

[@aaronweers8697]

I am convinced that this is the case.

[@The_Loaf_King]

Take a drink every time Lee says "Whatever" "Come on" and "I don't care"

[@The_Loaf_King]

@Tom Ffrench what are you on about?

[@rockerknight25]

But... my liver....

[@natetheskate9948]

@Tom Ffrench Because one leads to a very cheap victory, and the other is just a "heh, editing mistake".

[@oddballskull1941]

Inf I'm hour our in..1 hour..I'm drunk

[@jgamer2228]

Everytime isn’t a word dumbfuck

[@elijah8251]

He couldn't argue against the movie The Room. He just says "stop saying The Room" like he already made an argument against it, but in reality, he didn't.

[@DarthMerlin]

Major Lee has less standards than a toddler. Put a few pew pews and boom booms on the screen in front of him, and that's enough, apparently. But, hey, at least he was willing to come on...

[@winkles2314]

I’d rather he hadn’t come on, to be frank. This was a massive waste of time.

[@johnochiltree1170]

This debate should’ve been called ‘Moving goalposts’.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

“It’s wrong, and it’s essential to the plot, but it doesn’t matter, so it’s good and ok.”

[@joshck5113]

This is easily both my most loved EFAP and my most hated. It hurts so much to listen to but just so good to hear him BTFO'd

[@bananaboi9067]

My brain hurt listening to Lee spit absolute nonsense. It's cool, I feel it's fun, why wouldn't they. He has zero logic behind anything he says.

[@TheDartho900]

He lost me at "Battlefront 2's campaign is great"

[@davidmendez3899]

someone should make a Maj0r Lee meme using that “personal suck up” scene from Family Guy because that’s what he sounds like

[@JewishFrog]

Jesus Christ... About 90% of Maj0r Lee's "arguments" against the critique of EFAP crew were basically: I can't really argue against that but... *proceeds to go offtopic more and more with every word*

[@Furcifer93]

I disagree with a lot of what Major Lee said and I'm 50/50 on whether he's s Poe or not; but, I still have hand it to him that he did what many others have not and actually came on EFAP.

[@Toxici-Ty]

I was kind of on the fence... When he said Luke's arc was better because he changed more in less time I feel like he was obviously trolling. That can do easily be ridiculed surely he can't actually think that?

[@georges4061]

He's 100% playing a character. It's pretty clear after watching this. If not he's got an intellectual deficiency .

[@Saddamuel]

Oh thank god. I came into this cold as I've never heard of him and I thought it was an in joke where the EFAP boys get a friend on to make terrible arguments for a laugh. After a while I realised this was a real guy but I'm glad to see that there is so debate as to whether he might actually be a troll. It's either that or he's not particularly intelligent (I mean no offence by that). He enjoys the movie because it's one thing after another and there's a bunch of action. As far as I can tell he would have enjoyed almost anything and that is fine. Some people like WWE, some like Game of Thrones, some like Shakespeare, some like all of the above. I much prefer someone who likes TLJ for superficial reasons rather than an ideologue who sees their politics reflected in a movie and enjoys it as a piece of propaganda.

[@LoganDrakes15]

This is probably the most awkward efap I've ever seen

[@smugalice6206]

>when your parents walk in on you efapping

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Seen or heard? :p

[@matthewlugo2417]

If u stop you got caught, if you keep going and they still look theyre gay

[@johnapple6646]

@@matthewlugo2417 lol im gonna use that from now on

[@matthewlugo2417]

@@johnapple6646 your welcome

[@taloutezero]

No one told me that "consume product" was a living breathing person. I bet if someone sold him a fart canister advertised as air he would "think of all the positives and not mind it very much".

[@jordanlemondrumming379]

Awww sweet milk of the Rhino I’m ready for this

[@bkers10]

If you want to be... have strong principles that’s, that’s fine. - Major Lee (@24:22)

[@LWolf12]

Researching fan theories is like reading Fan Fiction for canon elements.

[@wilius1428]

Major Lee seems to be trolling...

[@USSMariner]

...himself

[@wilius1428]

@@USSMariner I hope he s trolling. Wouldn't that be better... Oh no he probably isn't... How sad...

[@wilius1428]

I am convinced that he is just sheltered af and now I feel like bad for laughing

[@MrBronsen15]

Not a chance

[@winkles2314]

Vilius Karsokas He’s either trolling or he’s simple. I’ll air on the side of trolling.

[@ConnorStierman]

Marvel: Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover in history. EFAP: Hold my beer

[@theaverageDon]

This was the most amazing and aggravating EFAP ever. No matter how much it pains me, like spoiled rhino milk, I can’t get enough of it and rewatch it again and again

[@leodouskyron5671]

After 45 minutes I was done: What Luke could have done: 1) Used his piloting skills (remember those cause Ryan didn’t) and X-wing to destroy the Laser Ram 2) used his contracts to arrange a escape (aka he doesn’t have to arrive alone) 3) lured off the enemy forces by letting them hear him call for any one and heading off 4) could have confronted the walkers forcing them to fight him and stop there advance using their blind spots to hit them 5) used his Jedi skills to open the back area the Foxes showed to open the way for the rebels so they could hide in other places on the planet 6) offer to surrender if they let the rebels go 7) Offer to Huks that once he confronts Kylo that the Order blast both of them and he take over (of course Luke is not going to let that happen to him but them Kylo would not know about the deal changing) 8) He could go to lightspeed in front of the enemy and use the light speed ram to wipe them all out (right holdo?) 9) he could have worked with Leia and they organize a defense within the base using his abilities, the Force and skills of a lifetime to make the First Order pay for every inch until they are forced back 10) he could have pulled Finn out of his fighter at the last minute letting the Finn’s fighter destroy the ram and then using Force run to run both back to the base And I am. It trying hard with ideas of what he could have done if he had gone to the plant in person. There are loads of things that could happen besides Luke (Jake) killing Kylo or dying if he goes to the planet. This is not worth my time ... certainly not 6 hours is this is what I am going to get from these TLJ defenders/lovers

[@craigthompson6466]

Kylo ended up killing Snoke because RJ had backed his story into a corner by then. Once Rey got to the throne room there's no way to get her back out again apart from ripping off ROTJ by having the apprentice turn on the master. And there was no way that RJ could have gotten away with properly subverting expectations by killing off Mary Rey at that early stage even if he had wanted to do so.

[@shadowapocalypse9012]

46:57 I don't know if these points get brought up but I had to get these out there. First, why is this about Luke taking Kylo down? What about Snoke? You know, the guy even more powerful than Kylo to the point he could Force Skype Kylo and Rey despite not knowing where Rey even was. Second, we see Luke's X-Wing in the water in TLJ but that's it. We don't know if the X-Wing is broken or in perfect condition. All you have to do is write that Luke was stranded and we'd be like "oh so that's why he didn't come to save Han." That's also ignoring when he went to save his friends in ESB and ended up almost caught in the trap laid out for him despite Yoda's warnings that Vader wanted him to attempt a rescue. Edit: MauLer mentioned my first point right after I paused so there's that, but now there's just so much more to say and my brain hurts too much from the sheer bullheadedness.

[@reddeaddude2187]

Major Lee just has to be a troll. I don't believe it's possible to be this wrong about literally EVERYTHING. Also apparently the "M-word" is an offensive slur against British and Australians

[@mountingfailure2309]

This is the most painful thing I have ever listened to

[@Walabinx]

A lot of talking past each other. Major Lee is clearly just a Star Wars fanboy who will do whatever mental gymnastics he needs to, to make the movie good in his head. Most of his arguments could have been steel manned and dismantled easily. Unfortunately, instead of doing this, Vito just raged, and came across like a child having a temper tantrum. This would have been better with just Mauler and Rags.

[@SolarDragon007]

Agreed, Vito isn't a good debater.

[@PsychoWedge]

The moment this luntic called Star Trek Discovery a "very solid Star Trek show" I knew I was in for a treat in absolute insanity... xD

[@mathurinkerbouchard8931]

Major Lee: "Kylo will beat Luke. Look how buff he is" If that is the case then pretty much all Jedi will beat Yoda considering that in comparison to the little green Jedi Master, all other Jedi's are buff as heck! Being a Jedi, a Force sensitive/user, size is not among the top consideration on how powerful they are. Do you even know what you are talking about? If Disney Star Wars stayed true to who Luke Skywalker really is, then even if you let Rey, Kylo and Snoke gang up on Luke, Luke will beat those three easy. Disney Star Wars fucked everything up resulting in a mess of a star wars universe.

[@DrSzu]

Can we guys at least agree that... I don't know. Whatever.

[@alosim1541]

Lee: Kylo would whoop his ass he’s so buff Mauler: Rey beat Kylo Lee: well yeah cause she’s the good guy BRUH

[@hue_jazz59]

As if Luke or Finn weren't good guys

[@v-set5721]

HOLY SHIT, i survived the debate (my brain hurts). The arguments of Maj0r Lee may be absolute trash for the most part, but the dude is pretty cool. Even though he was against three other people, he stood up for the challenge and did his best. I really respect what he has done.

[@AdmiralCify]

He was a troll - thats was all he did - trolling - he admitted it at the end of the stream that that his is whole youtube thing. So he just wasted our time.

[@v-set5721]

@@AdmiralCify I mean, if i remember correctly he said something like "saying dumb shit is part of his character", but i think that he seriously believed the things that he argued for.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

@@v-set5721 He said in the beginning that he deliberately phrases shit in a way that'll make people like Rags mad, though he still fundamentally believes what he's saying.

[@magnumx635]

I don't know if i can finish this, 50 minutes in and Lee's arguments make me want to scream until only blood comes out. The constant shifting of the goalpost alone would be bad enough but his understanding of story construction is what really hurts me to my core. I have spent the better half of my life trying to learn to write stories , creative writing is my life's goal and almost everything he is saying here is a steaming dump on the discipline. I really, REALLY wish you guys had some more guests who could approach these things from the direct perspective of creators because a whole lot of the shit he is saying just wouldn't fly. You do a good enough job in your responses but there is a particular itch that isn't getting scratched in these streams. Of course I would wish that i would be the one invited on to do it but i know a random youtube comment that probably won't even get read isn't going to lead to anything but you really should at least look at finding some creators who want to get in on the show, because a lot of what these people end up saying would do direct damage to young aspiring writers if taken to heart and there needs to be more pushback against it.

[@yeabunny7146]

This video is why I respect Mauler so much. I'm just watching it and pausing every couple minutes because I'm getting pissed at these stupid points from Lee. To be able to calmly participate in a conversation like this is truly magnificent.

[@hue_jazz59]

SAME . I'm over here yelling in my car at this buffoon

[@nicomultilocke]

"Gotcha, whatever, i mean, come on" That's the summary

[@nicomultilocke]

Forgot "dude, didn't you see his FACE??"

[@nightbreed9305]

Your turn, Eric.

[@darknessbobulus]

I hear he has a booboo and can't make it. Also he is allergic to corgis.

[@smugalice6206]

Legion Darkness-Bobulus Rags is a shibe

[@GraySheep1717]

Thomas the Tank engine

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

That would be glorious. And short.

[@nightbreed9305]

@@GraySheep1717 Hello to you too.

[@Victor-vx2hl]

This guys defense sounds like Kevin smith defending his awful MOTU show

[@Fyrecide]

This guy is the living embodiment of "moving the goal post" Argues a point for 20 minutes, baselessly mind you, and then minute 21 starts arguing contradicting hypotheticals when his initial point is shot down completely. DUDE...

[@SHOTRED555]

Wow Lee sounds a troll by some of the shit he is saying, A lot of us hardcore starwars fans could shut him down an argument easy using EU logic or not that's how bad that film was. They screw up story plots in basic storytelling.

[@amanibob1416]

Who's here after TFA part three came out?!

[@asxulxetesteronsxez538]

Watching this again and... GODDDDD!! "It's just good. Anything you bring up any thing anyone ever said about it, it's all just amazing and fantastic.

[@Foreign_Candy]

I immensely disagree with many of Lee's points, but one thing that I'll give him credit for was that he was courageous enough to go into a 1 vs 3 to defend what he believed was right, something that unfortunately can't be said for the likes of Jack Saint and Eric Taxxon

[@wingedassassin9999]

I didn't see the full stream, but the part that I saw was atrocious. Lee's asked 3 different questions at the same time, barely responds to the first question, and then they throw even more questions at him. It was similar to a horrible talk show. I disagree with lee's points, but for fucks sake, don't ask him 3 questions at once, and then interrupt him wgen he tries to answer said question

[@MikeTall88]

I get his point of the casino adventure,but he's ignoring the fact that it's taking time from the actual story and that time is limited. It's prioritized over important scenes because, why? Because of the directors personal politics. He wanted to give the finger to capitalism, he Needed that, the movie did not.

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Smh. No The point of Canto Bight was to show that despite the spiritual war between Jedi and Sith the actual mechanics of war would continue to happen as long as there was money to be made. It’s a good lesson for kids and maybe even adults.

[@Debicus]

@@Prof_Tickles92 The point you just outlined is literally a point against capitalism. Whether you agree with it or not, it is not relevant, nor is it appropriate for a Star Wars film.

[@Prof_Tickles92]

The Mean Frickeroni Not really. If anything it’s a critique against society. “Sometimes the people you’re fighting to protect are also shitty.” But if you want to go in on trying to find reasons to not like this movie, then you do you.

[@Debicus]

@@Prof_Tickles92 The critique of a society, which in this case, is capitalism. You can't dance around this, mate.

[@Prof_Tickles92]

@@Debicus I can. How is a commentary about neutrality and war profiteering a condemnation against capitalism? Like what kind of mental gymnastics is this? The Todd Phillips Joker movie is anti capitalist, this is not.

[@Regipannu]

As a woman: Lee is fcking creeppy with those comments he makes man. Also, when he said "he is not seeing the female character's point of view" 1-Many women were in Poe's side during the mutiny. 2-Holdo and Leia don't represent their entire gender as Poe/Finn/anyone represents theirs. 3-I find it so stupid to try to force everything into a "Men vs Women" argument. It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with being a woman or a man. It's about life or death. They are terrified because they think they are going to die. That's it.

[@ShadowMan64572]

As a woman, it makes sense why anything would be considered "fcking creeppy" to you lol

[@Regipannu]

@@ShadowMan64572 ???

[@ShadowMan64572]

@@Regipannu Idk how you could be dumb enough to not comprehend what I said lmfao

[@Regipannu]

@@ShadowMan64572 Why would I have to care about it enough to try to decipher whatever bad joke you want to make? And I'm not a native English speaker lol

[@slappydoodle]

@@Regipannu hes sayin b cuz your a woman that means in general almost anything a guy says is fckn creepy to a woman which I agree with to a certain extent.

[@ryangrubbs6813]

Everyone that comes on EFAP has some story of either them or someone else shouting in the theater during TLJ In mine, the theater was full but DEAD silent

[@january3rd293]

Mine wasn't, oddly. People were laughing at the Leia flight scene. ^^;

[@sawcrab2249]

@@january3rd293 I was laughing (hopefully not too loud) any time TRoS shat on TLJ bc of how ridiculous it was.

[@connormoorerocks]

"she's probably gonna have that same role in episode 9" that aged well didn't it lee

[@TheRetroRenegade]

Man, I wish DoomCock was here to be a part of this!

[@cynicalbastard1725]

this is where the fun baggins

[@SideBurns]

lmao

[@neropunkt]

ahahahahahahaha lol fu

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

*Jay Jay shakes hims head disapprovingly*

[@12SPASTIC12]

game time started

[@massivetism]

Rhino milk

[@stijnvandevyver7958]

Major Lee made some really bad arguments, but i respect him a lot for actually getting on EFAP. He seems like a chill guy.

[@ignotuscapillary8313]

I hate how condescending he got at multiple points in the stream, but I at least respect him for coming in to defend his opinions.

[@waterhose8467]

@Tom Ffrench please explain

[@olleej1]

@@waterhose8467 He won't he is just an idiot.

[@nintendsoad]

@Stijn Van De Vyver Agreed :)

[@Aacezay]

@Tom Ffrench no they didn't

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

It’s incredible that this dude had no legitimate defense aside from “it’s cool” or “it doesn’t matter”. Fans of the The Last Jedi literally have no real substance behind why they like the movie.

[@atomicdogg34]

Wonderful example of someone experiencing cognitive dissonance then trying desperately to square the circle.

[@solidgamer1998]

Take a sip when he says (but some people loved it) Take a shot when he says (whatever its whatever) Take a shot when he says its good for whatever reason and he's wrong Drink the whole bottle if he says ( i am wrong) Take a shot if he says(you're not wrong but) Take a shot when vito's mic scrambles I pray to those who plays this game

[@Mick-hp4yg]

Do you think I'm shoenice or something? My liver would shrivel up and die lmao

[@patrickmalone566]

This is by far the hardest EFAP to get through so far in terms of stress. Even more than the Taxxon/Saint video. EDIT: I know I only posted this comment earlier, but I’ve been trying to get through this for over a week now. It’s like shock therapy.

[@jgamer2228]

Jack and Eric were at least entertaining in their building and tearing down of innocuous straw men. This was just irritating.