EFAP #25 - A debate on Star Wars: The Last Jedi Ft. Vito and Maj0r Lee

[@Rags]

My head hurts.

[@mariokarter13]

The condom's too tight.

[@TheMaleRei]

You talked to a self-admitted Troll / SJW for five plus hours, I'd be shocked if your head didn't hurt.

[@LoganDrakes15]

Yeah the most of the efap was the most awkward I've ever experienced

[@TheAdarkerglow]

One of your best guest appearances yet, even so.

[@Grim2]

You put up one helluva fight.

[@EveryFrameAPause]

SLICE AND DICE BROTHERS!

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

Yes MooLer!!

[@mariokarter13]

Pro Tip: If you can't keep deadlines, stop making them.

[@Grim2]

IT'S A MESS! THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT GOOD!

[@Grim2]

Force awakens is riddled with flaws, but it's a really great movie. Lee... dude... are you Ok?

[@BR-dy1ie]

Grim2 Every other thing he said felt like a contradiction. It’s taken me multiple tries to get through the stream while it was up earlier

[@flubber11usa7]

When Lee complains that Snoke is like a cheap "palpatine clone" and that he's glad Rian got rid of him, only for him to be replaced by a literal palpatine clone in the next movie

[@VerySeriousMediaYT]

And then Snoke turns out to be a clone all along. I guess JJ let the past die.

[@willow1601]

Well also, snoke wasn't even an established force user in force awakens, there were so many directions that character could've gone in. Then, Rian made him a comically powerful force user, which then led to palpatine himself being even more comically powerful.

[@diegokaqui60]

It bizarrely fun...

[@soulsearcher9620]

@@willow1601fan fiction time. snoke being a sith who avoided being killed by his apprentice, goes into hiding until palatine dies, corrupts Ben solo and turns the students to the dark side, overpower Luke and takes advantage of the obvious love he'd have for his students and the child of his sister as well as the sheer numbers and ancient sith power. Luke leaves to train to be able to challenge snoke. Meanwhile leia and han are dealing with the new Republic being infiltrated by empire loyalists who snoke rallies and guides to bring down the new government from the inside and take control. The resistance can still exist now, luke is gone and can be searched for, he doesn't let anyone know where he's going because he assumes snoke will hunt him and kill anyone involved. Leia of course tries to find him, unaware of the specific circumstances. Jakku, have it on the boundary of what used to be empire space. Change the star destroyer in force awakens in the desert to another type of ship. Have rey unaware or skeptical of the luke skywalker han solo Princess leia tales that spread through the galaxy. Cynical loner but with a heart of gold. Stays mostly in line with her amazing intro in the force awakens. It's out of the way, the planet, so assumed to be a good meeting place for Po to meet Lando calrissian who is transporting the map. A familiar face, someone trusted by leia. Have dialogue with kylo that shows him refusing to give up his friends, holding his integrity. Kylo. I think he should be unstable, angry, irrational at times and berated by snoke every time he does something silly like killing Lando, Po meanwhile is getting his ship into the air. Kylo grabs it with the force and pulls him out of the sky, capturing Po for interrogation where Po can make a snarky remark and then meet finn. Bb8 transports map into desert, meets rey, but here's the big change. Firstly, finn is given a warning by phasma and a threat of reconditioning if he shows further defects. Give her more threatening dialogue. Set her up as a villain and a powerful commander figure in the first order. However this also let finn have enough freedom to rescue Po after some introspection and deciding that he wants to get away from the first order. The tie fighter restraint cord shouldn't be a thing, and finn should object to firing on the stormtroopers. Acknowledging the conditioning they have and the fact that they're victims in their own way as well. Have finn fight but not kill. The turrets are automated so he has no problem shooting them as they escape. Take away lines saying the ship is too small and fast l, replace with "this pilot is showing remarkable skill." from hux. Give him more characterization as an officer and military mind. Respect for an enemy, then he calls for the missiles that shoot the tie fighter down. They crash but both get out. Together. Rey and Bb8 do their thing, stormtroopers show up of course looking for the droid. They run for a ship. It blows up.no hope.... Then han solo chewbacca and the millennium falcon swoop in to help. Leia sent han after Lando or po never checked in. Can have a solemn moment where han and chewie are mournful of the sacrifice of their old friend. Then on to the resistance base to deliver Bb8. Meanwhile finn and po are finding a ship and trying to do the same thing, we can have dialogue and finn to describe life as a stormtrooper. Build the world in the down time. Kylo loses the map and snoke summons him and insults him, but encourages the hatred in him. Even at snoke himself. "that hatred will make you stronger" kylo says "yes master" and kills snoke. Have stormtroopers or something there to be shocked but fall in line as kylo uses the force to throw snoke to the side. (the next film can have a dual perspective. Past and present to give snoke a third of the movie to develop and see exactly what he does and how he trains kylo so his character gets screen time. Can even have kylo go completely crazy by the third film and have him hallucinate snoke during the movie so we get even more development of the villain. Now seeing kylos pov on smoke and luke and his reasons for turning to the dark side) finding luke should be act 3 of the film, luke is training or even trying to locate the knights of ren. His former students who are force user turned to the dark side. He'd want to save them. But that also means when luke confronts them they send a message to kylo who rushes towards that location. Following the map to x planet where luke has ended up searching for the knights, or any ofhis former students, han and luke can meet and talk. Have some movements together. The former Knight of ren that turns back to the light is killed by kylo who luke fights as the others run, then luke pushes kylo back to regroup with the others in the falcon and flee. Keep han alive till the end of movie 2 so we can have dialogue and moments between our former cast and have them mourn the loss of Lando, their friend. Han can still die to kylo at the end or during the end of act 2 of the second movie. They only learn of snokes death maybe just before hans death so luke realize how far gone kylo is. Killing his master and taking control of the galaxy. Second movie would have luke training rey and finn, sensing the force being strong with them. Rey can spend time binding with han as well. Fleshing out the relationship. Then hating kylo and wanting to destroy him after hand death. Rey struggles with the dark side because of that hate. Finn and po help her and remind her of what they're fighting for. Po kills phasma eventually and struggles with the that. Taking a life being against his moral code, against who he is. The necessary actions of ear and dealing with the psychological effects that can have. Something mature and relevant to the real world. We'd see this character we grow to love struggle with everything they have to do. Rey trains and becomes stronger with the force. Working hard to be strong enough to help defeat kylo ren. The training with a blaster shed get with han helps. She lets go of the need or drive she has to know her parents, that family didn't stick around or she lost them and may never know who they are. Her real family are these people. Her friends that will stick by her no matter what. Losing han would be a sad note to leave the second film off on. Fade to credits with all our heroes mourning and sobbing as the news is broken. Leia breaking down. Their relationship didn't falter. They stayed together so we'd be broken in the audience. We see this beloved character who made it through the first film and all the way to end of this one and perishes maybe saving luke. A backstab from kylo that he blocks. That might even be better than trying to turn him back to the light even better if they had no idea Ben was kylo. When han dies. Kylo takes his mask off and everyone finds out that its Ben solo. Rey attacks kylo as finn and chewie get han to the falcon. Luke pulls Rey back and they all escape. I'm aware I changed the ideas there for that confrontation but eh I'm spitballing and this is just fanfiction ahaha. Ending a film with that sad note. A major character death and Rey luke and finn all going back to training with somber faces.... Preparing for the final confrontation.. No redemption bs.

[@woodwyrm]

@@soulsearcher9620 even though this is just fan-fiction, it's still miles better than the fan-fiction trilogy.

[@666lupine666]

Lee: "Kylo would beat Luke because he is Buff." Rags: "is that how we decide (who is a powerful force user) by how BUFF they are?" Lee: "yes" Vito&Mauler: "but, Rei beat Kylo." Lee: "c'mon, guys, thats because she's a GOOD guy. you dont want to see the GOOD guy lose, do you?"

[@jacquelineking5783]

WartimeConsigliere we can however see Luke be a loser.

[@mistere5857]

This type of reasoning is far more common than most people realize. I'm not sure how to combat it because the people who do it utterly refuse to accept that they've made any error in logic.

[@whatNtarnation90]

This is how ALL of his arguments end up.. it's really really pathetic lol

[@christo-gj1qk]

Theres too many stupid people like major lee that like the last jedi and would make up ridiculous things to explain why its good.

[@hellokoukkouk6007]

Rey beat Kylo cause Kylo was wounded and emotionally split

[@95keat]

"this is such a great thing and that's why the movie is good" "That thing is bad tho" "Ya, it's so bad that it becomes funny and that makes the movie good" "That's not what you said tho" *Changes the subject while pretending to respond*

[@gaychampagnesocialist7213]

You could say he... ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Changed the Subjectivity. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@somedude5819]

He subverted their expectations.

[@MarcAlcatraz]

@@gaychampagnesocialist7213 you deserve a medal, or a really good finger job

[@toinedonders3203]

He was yeeting the goalpost everywhere.

[@TyrDrum]

He was driven by pure emotion; the path to the dark side.

[@ryanburnett8251]

"Kylo could crush Luke, that dude is so buff." Yoda: Size matters not. Look at me, judge me by my size do you? And well you should not. For my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it. It surrounds us. Between the tree and the rock. Luminous beings are we not this crude matter (pinches Luke's muscle). Literally the most ridiculous argument ever. Yoda would slap him.

[@alexandrethegreat]

He is also very proficient in combat in AotC, doing better against Dooku than full-sized Jedi like Anakin and ObiWan

[@Chance57]

"Swolo would totally crush Yoda too. He's newer so he's more powerful by default because the stakes have to increase." This guy, probably.

[@SpFlash1523]

Exactly. For example, Maul was smaller than both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, yet he was wiping the floor with them, in both 2v1 and 1v1. Maul would end Kylo in less than 10 seconds.

[@Canibalteaspoon159]

​@@Chance57 lol Major Lee? Is that you?

[@cellperfecto421]

The Virgin Jack Saint * Male feminist * Thinks that The Last Jedi is better than the originals * Unironically thinks that Sky High is a case for eugenetics and fascism * Doesn't want to go to EFAP cuz long man bad The Chad Maj0r Lee * "Look at the wahmen" works as an ironic joke * Admits that the Sequels are not as good as the Original Trilogy * Doesn't take things seriouly * Goes to EFAP even if he is going to get roasted

[@oinkleberry]

Quality meme.

[@pezdispencer113]

@Jojo Memes weren't they talking about Starship Troopers, or did I miss something? Been listening in bits and pieces at work.

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

@Jojo Memes It's funny because Jack Saint would say that is the proper way to analyze movies since it is a certain, different perspective

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

@Jojo Memes to be fair, you CAN analyze something and extrapolate something that makes it more interesting, but to also say that Objective Critique is bad is just dumb to have alongside that. Jack is an interesting creature and I wish he would just jump on this podcast. Maybe he can bring Quinton (lol) or Just Write (actually possible).

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

Jojo Memes my favorite part was when he had to put Sargon’s take on Mauler in his video, yet leaves out many other people who could help make your case, definitely nothing to do with politics

[@Longshanks1690]

"Whatever, it doesn't matter." - Bilbo Baggins

[@ContingencyPlan100]

The great Bilbo Baggins would never proclaim such folly!

[@trumpwonhereistheevidenced4390]

The exaltitude of your name combined with the banality of the quote is a special kind of humor that tickles my tinglestrings.

[@MyRickyjoe]

@Reaps51 This is why most of them don't do this. XD

[@Hello_All_My_N_Words]

"I feel spread too thin.. like bread over too much butter." -Bigideas Baggonius"

[@TheOtherWatto]

"You guys have to stop making fan theories" *Proceeds to justify his arguments by proposing dozens of his own*

[@lucascoval828]

La oof.

[@NaraShikamaru21]

One thing i picked up on is when Lee said the PT was about an abusive relationship. Anakin was not abusive at all until he was corrupted by the dark side. In fact his love of Padme is what drove him to the dark side. Anakins fall is a tragedy. Not an abuser following his natural course.

[@soandso3676]

RobotRumble yea I noticed that too. Arguably, especially with the pt context, Vader isn’t really an “abusive dad who abandoned his kids.” If I’m not mistaken, he thought they had died with Padmé.

[@sadboipotato3382]

@@soandso3676 Yes. Once Palpatine mentioned "Offspring of Anakin Skywalker" in Empire, Vader asked how it was possible.

[@qui-gone]

There was one moment of abuse when he thought the love of his life, the woman for whom he betrayed his entire order and killed younglings brought his overbearing, critical master and friend to kill him... Other than that, Anakin has only been nice to Padmé throughout the prequel continuity.

[@JesusRuiz-gb4is]

@@qui-gone well until get got more power and force choked her but that was because he already did what he done and there was no going back for him he has to do this for her in his mind and now that he got all the power he knows he can over power sidius thats why his love for her was passed by with power but he knew he still wants to be with her since he wants to raise his kids and lead the Empire to a better state then sidous but since obi wan intervened we got Vader.

[@Hashbrown1682]

If anything anakin was a victim of abuse and padme was the warm and comforting light in his dark depressing world

[@spartakick300FF5]

I'm kinda glad wolfie missed the stream. If movie bob gave him a headache, wolf would have killed himself in the middle of this one.

[@TheIZproductions]

No no no no no movie bob is way worse. Hes like actually insane

[@spartakick300FF5]

@@TheIZproductions After finishing this I can't say that Maj0r Lee isn't insane, but I agree with you on movie bob being worse.

[@smugalice6206]

Sparta Kick300 Major Lee wouldn’t want me beaten for voting for Trump

[@RogueFox2185]

He really dodged a bullet this time, Rags barely survived this one himself.

[@DiavoloRosso08]

I swear we reach new lows every EFAP o wait its EEFAP

[@SaintMaxxi]

"Luke would've lost to Ren because Kylo is so buff" "But Rey beat Kylo" "Yeah, because Rey is the good guy, we can't have the bad guy win." * MauLer's head explodes *

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

Don’t ask questions consume product and get excited for next product!

[@EmptyAltruism]

The power of a force user is not determined by how “buff” they are….ugh. When he implied that, MY head exploded. Has he never heard of yoda…?

[@bbjygm]

"Size matters not."

[@davidcatabui2018]

That may have been his worst take, and the bar is so low he's doing a limbo contest with Satan

[@Vario69]

By that logic, Ben SWOLO would absolutely wipe the floor with Yoda and Palpy at the same time

[@royalraptor6245]

I CLAPPED!!! I CLAPPED FOR STAR WARS!!! Seriously though Lee missed the point on almost everything, he missed the point more then storm troopers missed the main characters.

[@skankyassmarty220]

At least the stromtroopers try to hit the mark.

[@MyRickyjoe]

Meta plot armor. He fills in the gaps himself because he needs this movie to be serviceable.

[@Dektoonics_inc.]

Clonetroopers are way more efficient

[@lordsurvivor5663]

he missed the point more then Dany missed Cersei

[@SaintMaxxi]

Heck yeah, I'm a clapping fool. Who's red letter media?

[@jayjaydeth]

I gotta say, I like this movie that Major Lee has invented for himself. It is so much better than the one I saw.

[@january3rd293]

Right? It sounds amazing! I remember just watching a confusing mush of half realized ideas.

[@elephantpowerproductions]

I would say so as well

[@neosoontoretro]

@jayjaydeth Invented? All he did is say what happened in the movie.

[@Biostasis5x7]

@@neosoontoretro I think the OP is talking about all the interconnected reasons and concepts that were utterly missing in the film. Major lee has this strange way of just filling in the dots, pulling plot points out of thin air to invent motivations and intentions for characters that weren't in the film. This Major Lee guy just morphs the movie into this other-movie where the simple facts and evidence in the movie don't matter. It makes the reality of the movie inconsequential to the movie. It's some next level mind rot. This guy probably has TONS of fascinating outlooks on reality.

[@mudcrab3420]

Yup. Lee clearly got a lot of joy out that that movie. To hear him talk about it it does sounds like a lot of fun. To hear about TLJ from anyone else you get a completely different point of view. I don't agree with Lee, but part of me gains a warm inner glow that Lee is so happy from his experience. Star Wars is still dead to me, but if Lee is happy I am not going to go out of my way to spoil his moment.

[@Goddamnitiwantaname]

Watching this, almost 3 years later, after the people who made these movies admitted that they had no idea what they were doing, that there never was a plan and that they made it all up as they went along, makes his desperate defense even more hilarious.

[@prometheuspeanut3935]

Emperor Palpatine - “Ironic”

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

@@prometheuspeanut3935 In my opinion.

[@REXX-STRONGSTYLE]

😂

[@REXX-STRONGSTYLE]

​@😂prometheuspeanut3935

[@masterphillips]

Just finished it for the first (and last) time. After about an hour I had to speed up playback otherwise I was not going to make it. Funnily, listening at 1.25x speed made it sound pretty apparent that Lee was just trying to piss everyone off through positivity towards TLJ, no matter how stupid it made him sound. Whether he was doing it intentionally or not, the constant goalpost shifting and shrugging off being cornered with "well, whatever," or "that's your opinion" did not endear him to me. I'm sure he'd quickly reply he didn't come to EFAP to make fans. "Whatever." The troll was well fed but in the end I think I just pity him.

[@mitchki]

"Look how buff Kylo is, of course he would beat Luke!" *four seconds later* "Of course Rey beat Kylo, we don't want the good guy to lose!" I'm only 40 minutes in and I've already suppressed multiple aneurysms, I'll be back to watch the rest after a trip to the liquor store...

[@SpecterVonBaren]

So, almost a year later, did you in fact survive watching this video, or did the aneurysms get you? I shall take silence as the later.

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

Major lees side of this debate is so retarded it’s funny

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Rey didn’t beat Luke tho. He chose not to fight back. If you notice he hesitates with the force before falling down. He remembered what happened the last time he confronted a confused child so it was time for a different approach. For a man who believes the legacy of Jedi is failure based on their actions, Luke here is given a second chance to not repeat the same mistake. A sort of mini redemption.

[@kailaine3974]

@@Prof_Tickles92 i thought using the force to stop his fall was to prevent himself from getting a concussion on the stone stairs

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Kai Laine No silly lol. He fell on his butt. There’s no way he’s get a concussion in a sitting position

[@6ucket]

His whole argument is pretty much “yea, but have you considered that I didnt notice it when i was watching it.”

[@Debicus]

But how did it make you *F E E L ?*

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

"WhAtEvEr"

[@kingsman5121]

YoUrE wAtChInG MoViEs wRoNg

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@Tom Ffrench Why are you so objectively butthurt? I've seen you all over this comment section saying really dumb things. You say, 'It's ok to criticise', and then you whine that people have criticisms... f*cking pick one dude. At least be more consistent than these sh*tty movies 🤣

[@r.henryjr.1533]

@Tom Ffrench I don't know where you got the first two, but the third I know for a fact is untrue, they have never said that at all.

[@weslar7]

“Luke’s arc in TLJ is better than in the OT” this is not a real star wars fan, he has to be trolling

[@doomguy19931]

I died a little inside when I heard that

[@charlieboardman2005]

@Tom Ffrench shut the fuck up with that not a real star wars fan bull shit

[@shawnkivlin3238]

@@charlieboardman2005 You shut up. #Gatekeepingisgood. Keep the casual movie goers out. Look at what happened with the sequels when writers tried to appeal to them.

[@Pink.andahalf]

The sad thing is, he is a Star Wars fan.

[@Orio3333]

@@shawnkivlin3238 well geez

[@thewaterguy17]

Holy shit, this entire debate can be summed up with "This doesn't make any sense" "BUT MY FEELINGS TELL ME IT WAS GOOD"

[@Electroid5]

Ok, I'm 50 minutes in right now. I have to say, props to Maj0r Lee for actually coming on to argue his point. That said, please never bring him back. Edit: Alright, I'm 2 hours and 46 minutes into this and now I want to die. My props from earlier are now rescinded. Please never have Maj0r Lee on again.

[@MrBronsen15]

I’m 56min I’m, it’s extremely painful to listen to this contradicting fool

[@darthserioustheunwise8345]

Haha perfect mirror of how I also almost died to this video. Seconded.

[@errant3]

@Oof Oof And you're not, you're cool af

[@sammydray5919]

@Oof Oof I dont hate Lee. I just dont like how he contradicts himself, criticize fan theorists but himself theorized just to defend the movie. He comes off as hypocritical here. While I agree some people's complaints against him are a bit toxic but I see where they are coming from.

[@buttons551]

@Oof Oof Major Lee is as brain dead as a vegetable and his arguments follow some kind of fucking bizarro logic. I'm fucking losing brain cells listening to this man spout gibberish and I liked TLJ when I watched it, but I can't agree with anything this nutjob is saying.

[@lt3746]

“Rose is probably gonna have that same role in episode IX” *That did not age quite so well*

[@inquisitionagent9052]

Dude none of his quotes aged well

[@davidcatabui2018]

@@inquisitionagent9052 yeah I'm watching this for the first time taking a deep dive through lore I missed and I was losing my mind hearing this guy's defenses and predictions. He must have hated TroS for the polar opposite reasons the efap crew did. Hell even Jay had a fantastic take on it and he came up with rhino milk

[@connormoorerocks]

@@inquisitionagent9052 nothing he said was born well.

[@Longshanks1690]

I'm not going to criticise Lee's arguments or mannerisms since everyone else will. Instead, I will congratulate and commend the man. He did what so few of EFAP's detractors are unwilling to do and faced his opponents in an open arena with facts, reason, logic and good faith, most importantly of all. Now, Lee's logic is flawed but he didn't try to assassinate Mauler's character, misrepresent Wolf or demonise Rags and after the slew of garbage from Taxxxon and Quinton and other inbred Neckbeards like them, I will happily take that because it is the honest thing to do. I used to think he was genuinely awful, a pretentious snob, but I have seen what those people are truly like, but Lee reminded me that we can disagree with people as fiercely as possible and still get along with them afterwards. He has my respect, and I hope he has the respect of many other EFAPers because of this debate.

[@inigmianstudios2771]

I agree, i wish there were more debates like this tbh

[@maskofthedragon]

He's far too cheeky for me to believe he's being serious

[@AnalogTeek]

I dunno, he was being pretty condescending throughout the stream.

[@possummagic3571]

I don't know, we're praising people for acting civil. Is the bar really set that low?

[@DB1Dragoon]

@@possummagic3571 I mean, sadly yes. It's kinda really sad.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Lee, your arguments aren't good. Like, at all. However, I will congratulate you for coming onto EFAP to defend your argument, despite your initial behavior with Mauler and your video on the Last Jedi. Unlike other people we know. *looks at PAFE, featuring Jack Saint from the Cowards Alliance*

[@teedee9393]

I'm also impressed he stayed the entire time for 5 hours. I fully expected him to bug out after his terrible arguments were being easily countered constantly but he proved me wrong. Good on ya, Lee.

[@Grim2]

He comes across as someone who forces himself into liking things just because they're popular things. It's so bizarre.

[@SolarDragon007]

@Timefliesbye He's not making an arguement, just sharing his own perception.

[@jimlahey6330]

@Timefliesbye problem is he argues that the plot and structure are good until he gets called out.

[@RogueFox2185]

I have no idea what version of TLJ Lee may have seen unlike the rest of us that’s good enough for him to ignore blatant flaws, still his defences for this film made no sense and I believed he was a troll when he said that Luke’s “arc” was better than his in the OT.

[@auroraSLAP]

My favorite part 1:31:00 MauLer: these guys who are supposed to be super rich? This isn’t gonna bother them one bit Lee: they’re doing em a favor then, there ya go! It’s a win-win! Rags: No…no. That’s not how ANY of this works Lee: I’m just messing around. I’m messing. Rags: We can’t tell at this point

[@MeHighCheekSentMeHigh]

Basically this entire debate.

[@SpFlash1523]

This basically how their debate with Marcus from Cosmonaut Variety Hour would go, if there was one.

[@elmerserrano3705]

How can one man have the energy to be proven wrong for five hours straight?

[@melialialee5445]

honestly if i was him id be crying within the first 20 minutes

[@techno639]

He can't be proven wrong, it's a movie

[@Harrinsain]

@techno639 bruh

[@aethertoast4320]

@@Ballislife32 honestly, if you are incapable of admitting the faults and issues with something, you can't really say that you are really invested in or enjoy it cause you aren't really thinking about what is happening enough to absorb anything about it. If what I just said makes sense this is why ardent defenders or fanboys don't really count as actual fans.

[@pef6469]

@@Ballislife32 stfu with that bs. It's because the "problems" are actually just fanboys, that can't get that Skywalker cock out of their mouths, crying.

[@jayjaydeth]

Major Lee: "Yeah, but the second time you watch the movie..." I Hate Everything: "The third time I watched it, I wasn't bored."

[@barrettbirks1058]

he never said that!

[@James-pt2vk]

@@barrettbirks1058 who?

[@barrettbirks1058]

@@James-pt2vk I Hate Everything, he never said that in his video

[@James-pt2vk]

@@barrettbirks1058 yeah he does, 3:40 is when he starts talking about the viewings

[@jayjaydeth]

@@barrettbirks1058 I don't know what video you watched, but he did.

[@eras1066]

1:31:15 MauLer: "Who do you think is cleaning that mess up?" Lee: "...That kid." MauLer: _"The kid."_ Lee: "With his broom..." MauLer: _"The _*_broom."_* I love it, it sounds like a dad making his six year-old realize how dumb he was for doing something wrong.

[@adowner7298]

It's one of the sweetest parts of this episode.

[@Themaxxrad99]

This is absolutely the best moment in the video, watching Rags lose his mind hurts my heart.

[@davejones9469]

Sounds like the slave driver's first words to that kid in the morning lol

[@Wackaz]

Lol what?

[@lt3746]

Well Rags does say it’s like talking to a child so

[@tobytombs8815]

>hates fan theories >loves reylo and calls it a theory

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

Wanna hit like, but you have a perfect 222 going on there...

[@intensellylit4100]

@@bloodrosereaper2099 it's clear.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

@@intensellylit4100 Well alright, then.

[@brianlauria]

turned out to be true tho

[@bigslurpee2078]

@K Ren Because Lee says things that are objectively wrong. That's why people criticize everything be says.

[@teroknor1377]

"They reference the old stuff, which means it's good!" - I'm cringing in the first few minutes. Major respect for coming onto EFAP, though.

[@allegrageller9308]

Exactly! I got annoyed as soon as I heard that.

[@teroknor1377]

@@allegrageller9308 My overall impression was that this guy was simply someone who is incapable of accepting a logical thread of thought, even when painstakingly explained to him, but ultimately harmless. Going back and reviewing EFAP #13, I have to reassess this again. I'm not sure if I agree with Mauler's statement that this guy isn't worse than Quiton or Patrick and the rest. It's likely Mauler was just being polite to his guest, but this Maj0r Lee's ignorance is intrinsically coupled with some pretty vile comments and behavior. He insists that this is a "character", but I'm not sure I buy that. Especially when he keeps insisting these things are "jokes" but don't come off as "jokes". It's really rough to determine since he 'wants to clap' at a whole bunch of unfunny nonsense in TLJ.

[@vidmastereon]

This is literally RLMs "I saw the millenium falcon and i clapped"

[@fryingpanstan4596]

Lee: this is good EFAP: no it’s bad because of x, y, and z Lee: well it doesn’t really matter

[@thesultanofswing8706]

That's something they all do. "Oh, I love this thing so freaking much!" "Well it doesn't make sense because of this, this, and that." "IT DOESN'T FREAKING MATTER IT'S A SPACE MOVIE IGNORE THEM JUST ENJOY THE MOVIE WHY DO YOU GET HUNG UP ON THINGS THAT DON'T MATTER REEEEEEEEE" They flip flop on their views depending on what you say.

[@seank.2589]

Lee: """""""W H A T E V E R""""""

[@seank.2589]

@@thesultanofswing8706 Right, the themes are so deep, but don't think about the inconsistencies.

[@thesultanofswing8706]

@@seank.2589 They really just can't admit their movie has a problem. It's as if their life depends on this film being good.

[@travisadams6279]

@@thesultanofswing8706 People are not usually self aware enough to realize that they just enjoy something, even if its not objectively good. And end up defending its flaws, or not thinking about them critically because they might not of even noticed most of them in the first place. So they defend the thing, throwing bad arguments out there that come from their feelings and not logic. Then they must defend their bad arguments so they dont look bad and get very defensive because they enjoyed the thing/movie in question.

[@CrustlessKing]

So, I kept track of every single "argument" that Major Lee provided in this discussion as to why The Last Jedi was "just so great," and in literally every single instance he brought up, his entire perspective revolved around inferred information which was not in the actual film. He has completely rewritten the script of The Last Jedi into a proper and coherent film which exists only in his own mind. This whole discussion is infuriating to me because he is defending a completely different movie than the one that actually exists.

[@michaelmacias8]

TheGreatCrusader perhaps but a lot of what he did say was in the actual movie

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I agree. And Maj Lee is an utterly dishonest debater. Every time he gets caught making sh*t up, he's like, "yeah, whatever. it doesn't matter" NO, Maj Lee. The proper response there is, "yeah, that didn't happen. I was wrong about that."

[@wrayday7149]

@@KneelB4Bacon I honestly don't know if he was dishonest, or he didn't prepare to discuss the movie in depth.... It just felt he couldn't articulate his points very well... You could also say he was so into the film, it didn't break his suspension of disbelief... for what that is worth.

[@michaelmacias8]

Wray Day Or you could say they are asking stupid bias questions

[@wrayday7149]

@@michaelmacias8 Aren't all questions bias'ed towards the person asking them? I think Lee just didn't prepare to debate the film properly and got chewed up as a result.

[@generalesdeath5836]

“Snoke doesn’t matter now that he’s dead” -Lee Jesus Christ, Snoke is DEAD BECAUSE the MOVIE THAT YOU ARE DEBATING KILLED HIM. THE MOVIE WHOSE MERITS YOU ARE DEBATING KILLED HIM. ARE YOU AN IDIOT? I respect Lee for coming here to actually talk but JESUS CHRIST, “The movie we are debating did X and therefore X doesn’t matter to the quality of the exact movie that did X” The logical equivalent of this argument is: “The Room is a great film. The Room did things that seem bad, but these things have been done, and therefore The Room is good, and it’s now up to The Room 2 to explain to us why The Room is so great.” Edit: Minor typographical corrections.

[@michaelmacias8]

General Esdeath and what was the backstory of the emperor?

[@Muudy1]

michael macias that’s why there’s a prequel trilogy you should watch it sometime

[@Athenasblaze]

That comment is something you should get that mad about

[@zarlei6048]

The Room > TLJ Unironically

[@lt3746]

“Are you an idiot?” Short answer: Yes.

[@DeepEye1994]

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Mark Twain

[@tylerschwartz9313]

Best comment on this vid.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

A variation I've heard on that is, "Never mud-wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig enjoys it."

[@soursugar4867]

Can’t wait for Mark Twain to get on EFAP

[@jakomioftherose2434]

"It's hard to win an argument with someone who's smart. It's impossible to win an argument with someone who's stupid"

[@kelp7060]

It's more like, never argue with an idiot without an audience, because they fucking annihilated him into a meme, and it's just more damning evidence on the pile.

[@lumeronswift]

"If some people like something, it definitively isn't bad." If I recall... some people liked Stalin. I know for a fact that some people actually wish he was still alive and in power.

[@TheGamingAngel18]

Lumeron Swift Serial killers and rapists love committing atrocious crimes therefore it isn’t bad

[@robinthrush9672]

@@TheGamingAngel18 And they get groupies, so it's pretty obvious that serial killers and cult leaders are good people.

[@ergoth154]

Lumeron Swift I would say if some people like something then it definitively isn't without value but to say it's not definitely bad is a whole other ball park.

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

There are people who follow OJ Simpson on twitter so.... guess hes a gud guy now

[@january3rd293]

The amount of times he said "whatever" to try and deflect when the EFAP team proved a good point is insane. It should be a drinking game.

[@bucketmanpalemin9603]

No because unlike you I enjoy my kidneys

[@soulsearcher9620]

Already on it.

[@sniksnik9809]

I like my liver just the way it is lol

[@arklaw8306]

Don't forget all the "By the way"s.

[@thebravest2332]

Sorry I dont want to kill myself like that

[@slanderman92]

Moronic arguments or not, Lee took getting dunked on in someone elses audience like a champ.

[@duckman3394]

You might be right, if he even noticed.

[@TurKlack]

Because he's to dumb to understand what has happened.

[@exhumedlegume8870]

3:14:43 "Do you guys really not know that there's a shit ton of people that think this is the best Star Wars film?" There's also a shit ton of people who think Mein Kampf is the best book ever written. In other words, _not a good argument._

[@SantosAl]

I vehemently disagree with the points in Mein Kampf, but it is an interesting book to read. so I would actually say it is good in that vein.

[@eras1066]

@@oneiroagent Even ignoring that you just said that TLJ is objectively a good movie, you're saying "Mein Kamf is good from another point of view." This is your brain on subjectivity, people.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I got the very strong impression that Maj0r Lee only wanted to discuss subjective opinions, because he desperately tried to avoid even acknowledging objectiveity by changing the subject or by trying to discuss objectivity via his feelings. Sometimes I got the impression he didn't even want to discuss his own opinions because he kept referencing what other people feel. Argumentum ad populum I suppose. I guess it's better then Just Write who just plain doesn't understand art and has this war on objectivity, but this sort of hampers the debate when Maj0r Lee doesn't want to say anything definitive.

[@ademetal]

Just Write does understand though, he's used objective arguments to make some great videos in the past, but for some reason TLJ just made people put on the blinkers and follow the "no such thing as objective opinion" line that so many do.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@ademetal Does he? In his latest video "Can You Judge Art Objectively? Just Write is basically lying makes is when he declares that art doesn't have a definitive, describable purpose, comparing art to a hammer. Propaganda movies, Ming Vases, Stained-Glass Windows in Churches, Statues, he's lumped them all into some kind of "abstract art" category and ignoring their intended purposes.

[@ETBrooD]

This part broke me: "One of it's qualities is that it does new things." "So because it does new things that means it's better?" "No no, that's not what I'm saying."

[@ademetal]

Yes, I know, he's changed a lot recently, I certainly get the impression that as of late he definitely does toe the line of subjectivity is everything and objectivity doesn't exist. In the past however his work made a lot of objective arguments I found very interesting and compelling, now though, I have no reason to watch him, I mean why would I watch him as opposed to some random guy on KZbin just argue their feelings? I actually want to learn something or gain some insight when I watch a video and Just Write can't do that anymore, because he's become very manipulative and evasive in wanting to use objective statements and hiding behind subjectivity.

[@CalebHimself]

Yeah, literally the whole time Lee goes "That doesn't bother me" or "That didn't matter to me" or "That's really cool." It started to make me get a headache.

[@guardingdark2860]

It seems to me that Maj0r Lee is a very emotional, in the moment viewer; he's concerned with how he's feeling in that moment, and he eats up all the cues that movie makers use to get the audience to feel how they want them to feel. I legitimately never thought I would witness someone who exemplified the pure, Platonic embodiment of this concept, but that is pretty much all this stream was. Even a moment's consideration showed him how wrong he was, but he still went "yeah, but in that moment, I felt really emotional, and that was their goal so it was good". I think the prime example is when he says he shouted in the theater when Snoke got cut in half. Listen to his justification for that (2:24:33) and tell me that doesn't scream "emotionally manipulated".

[@RandomizedCTRL]

And that is really the best, good-faith interpretation of his points that you could make.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Should meet my dad. Asshole is so surface level on the movies and shows he watches he considers it a plus if he can fall asleep in an opening scene, wake up on the closing one, and miss nothing. He also hated when a Netflix original series developed an over arching, more serialized format instead of episodic. Also also, he demands you be able to summarize any show, movie, whatever in one sentence. Example, A Midsummer Night's Dream is summed up by him as "girl falls for a guy on the wrong side of the tracks".

[@quietone2674]

The thing that frustrated me about him was how MauLer and Rags kept pointing out plot-breaking flaws and him just saying "that doesn't matter." I think you're right that he's an emotional viewer, rather than a logical one. The weird start where he defended Battlefront 2 is kind of indicative of that. I don't think he's a dishonest guy, or even a super dumb one, but that he's easily emotionally manipulated and cares more about the feelings something gives him than its structure. It does make me wonder what flaws he *does* think matter, and I think any one he picked out would tie to his emotional investment. In fact, I think there's proof of that in the stream: when MauLer shared Luke reacting to Han's death he was trying to justify cutting it for time, but also seemed to agree it should have been kept in the movie. That scene has a huge emotional impact in it and he admitted he'd have liked to see it in the movie.

[@travisadams6279]

@@quietone2674 But dont you have to be kinda "dumb" to just be gripped by the most surface level of things, and not even notice when theres countless logical inconsistencies? Wouldn't an intelligent person have a hard time enjoying the surface level stuff (even if they are a fan of it) because all the nonsense and broken logic pulls them out of the immersion, and they cant help but notice, because they pay attention and think critically? And wouldn't a slow emotional person be totally caught up in the simple cues and appeals to emotion or nostagia, like a shiny set of keys jangling in front of a toddler?

[@quietone2674]

@@travisadams6279 I agree. My only counter to that would be people who are intelligent aren't that way all the time. I mean, I enjoyed Dr. Strange 2. I will NEVER defend the writing. It was nonsense all the way through. But I'll admit the effects and bizarre visuals had me enjoying the wtf of every stupid scene. I enjoyed a bad movie purely for the surface level shit. Lee's mistake is equating enjoyment with quality.

[@sunbro6998]

"We don't want the good guy to lose" -- which is what literally happens in Empire Strike back, all the good guys lose.

[@harry426]

And the entire prequel trilogy ends with the villains winning.

[@lordinquisitordunn336]

And empire was the movie that Rian ripped off whole sections of, but he didn’t get what about empire made it great

[@StampTV3]

infinity war, civil war, ESB, Rouge One (kinda, they won but everyone died), Pretty much half of the prequels, the second and third act of the last airbender (the show), the witcher (books, games still great tho). but its fine, fuck the bad guy.

[@TehComs]

Every defense of Battlefront 2 can be overturned by Battlefront II (2005)

[@Replica_Films2000]

@Super JLK nice joke

[@Replica_Films2000]

The 2005 one is allot better also wtf leveling system does that mean you unlock worthless cosmetics that dont do anything usefull whatsoever and you cannot shoot while sprinting and die constantly from people you cant see sounds fricken amazing if you like it thats your problem and i feel bad for you...*Im only half serious its 2:15 AM right now*

[@Replica_Films2000]

@@Rrrrry123 i have never played the multiplayer off any halo game other than halo 1 and my view on that was that it was poorly ballanced now all il say on reach is that there are so many more dimensions that you can have in the gameplay if it did....even if it was miniscule. Now as to sprinting its more that sprinting is in it but let me explain back when it was first entroduced it was dast really fast so fast you could argue it dident even matter that you cant fire as the speed makes up for all the short comings entirely. Nowadays more often than not your jogging not even sprinting just jogging and they call it sprinting and you cant fire your gun while doing anything other than slowly shuffel on the ground no halo doest have , THAAT but the sprinting is not nearly as fast as it should be to justify having minus effects id rather just not have sprinting at all and have my overal movement speed be slightly faster o

[@557deadpool]

@@Replica_Films2000 Boi, shut your clown ass up

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

Battlefront II is such a gem of a game, still the best, and space battles are awesome

[@QuantumFlux70]

"Finn's gonna be a big part of Episode 9" That aged beautifully

[@EmptyAltruism]

Right? It’s so hard to get through in some places knowing how things turn out. When he plugs his channel, my immediate thought was “I’m never going to you for anything, ever” but I’m actually kind of curious what his take on TroS is. I won’t sub, but maybe I’ll check that out at least…

[@davidcatabui2018]

"Rose is gonna be a huge part of episode 9" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Devilfish6666]

@@EmptyAltruism I checked the guys channel and after promoting Battlefront 2 as absolutely amazing here, defending TLJ, I was not suprised to have him romanticizing the FF7 Remake as "magical" in a thumbnail which was enough for me to close his channel again for good^^ All these 3 pieces of media are some of the worst and controversial out there.

[@EmptyAltruism]

@Devilfish I thought ff7 remake was generally considered good. I’m glad I’m not the only one that prefers the original. I got remake for free and never finished it. Good graphics, gameplay feels nothing like ff to me. Don’t like it

[@Devilfish6666]

@@EmptyAltruism Not only the gameplay but mainly the story. Inventing time travel to justify that the writers can do whatever anime matrix scene they want and then say hahaha wasnt real just alternate dimension shit is like the laziest crap writing you can possibly come up with...ppl on qhimms forum (the hardcore ff7 fans) generally dislike it like us.

[@datensaft]

Kylo apparently beats every Jedi because he is buff... Word with you youngling, yoda would like to have.

[@NobleBruv]

Yoda has abs on his forehead tho. He buff!

[@user-pm7pw1tl3t]

That bad yoda sentence makes more sense then this dude.

[@Crypticmind242]

"Women deserve respect"....why? For just being women? Surely it should be that PEOPLE deserve respect, IF they've earned it.

[@mcrn1994]

My thoughts exactly. I don't respect women for having a vagina. I respect whoever deserves respect.

[@obama7336]

This comment right here is what we call a strawman argument, twisting what a person said to make them look worse.

[@attilapataki46]

@@obama7336 if anything, its out of context, not strawman

[@Crypticmind242]

@@obama7336 Why? It's what he said. I quoted him verbatim and then asked a question. Learn what 'strawman' means.

[@burritosforlater]

Nah. Respect as a person should be given. Respect as an individual is earned.

[@Enderanmashups]

Maj0r Lee is such a powerful entity that he can overpower three grown men and shift the tide of a podcast to entirely revolve around arguments that he's making up on the fly. Unreal.

[@purpleguy319]

There are answers in this world man is not meant to hear, sights that he is not meant to see, and truths not meant to be known, And they're all absolutely stupid.

[@OkOk-vj9db]

1:30:03 "Why is that being good?" "It is! It just is." Argumentation 10/10

[@colivas8414]

1:15:51 "It is, it's a casino." "HAHAHAHA." I died here.

[@elijahbachrach6579]

These are often the same people who will change their ground and say, “I have my opinion, just like you have yours and it’s all subjective” when the argument turns against them.

[@UFC_Buffalo]

@@elijahbachrach6579 but the whole point is that opinion is completely and totally irrelevant, so likely not.

[@elijahbachrach6579]

@@UFC_Buffalo context: I was replying to a comment which was quoting their guest.

[@Какой-тоБлогер-ц8г]

It JuSt WoRkS

[@wlfmanjack]

There is something seriously wrong with Last Jedi defenders. Like in all my years of discussing films and tv shows I have never seen a group of people so dedicated to defending a movie, that they advocate for arguments that contradict any form of quality. Like he seriously fucking said there should be scenes that go no where. Like WHAT, never been a good thing in the history of filmmaking. In any other film a pointless scene would be criticized relentlessly for being pointless but because it's the Last Jedi it gets a free pass. I hope for the sake of our species that in a decade or two from now, we look back at the Last Jedi arguments and wonder how the fuck did anyone think these made sense.

[@someguy8428]

"you can't judge a game you haven't played" You can't judge a drug you haven't taken. kill me

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

"You can't judge a game you haven't played" Great, let's play Russian Roulette. I have this glock here, you go first.

[@getthegoons]

I don't have to be a pilot to see a plane crash and go "Someone fucked up."

[@bananaboi9067]

Are you telling me crack isn't good I don't think I can be sure until I try it lol.

[@Devilfish6666]

Also they were never judging the game itself, just the p2w aspect which is commonly known before and nothing new that BF2 invented where you need to play it so you know it, so why would you need to spend money to realize spending money is smth you dont want....

[@onewanderingbee]

"You can't judge a game you haven't played." You know, that mindset is WHY poor business work so well, because people don't trust their own eyes. They see what the companies say to justify things like microtransactions in a full price game, and they just buy into it without question. You SHOULD apply some principle to your spending so that we don't end up with even more EA's and Blactivisions. I can form an accurate opinion on a game by watching and reading about it, because I've done the research into the game, have played many games like it before, and understand game design. Why DOESN'T that make sense?! MAN this dude has me heated at we're only twenty minutes in.

[@finalfantasy50]

continuing on that thought, people that say that you cant say a game is bad if you havent played it would also say that you cant say that a game cant be bad if you played it for a sizable chunk because if it was bad you would have stopped playing

[@spuart3308]

he had me heated for a very different reason. I got Battlefront 2 back in December 2017 and I played it all the way until July 2020. Underneath all of the controversy at launch was a very good multiplayer game which DICE eventually polished into a great game over time. February 2019 was the month when Anakin was added to the game and Major Lee's lack of defenses for the game just baffled me. DICE had already completely removed all of the PTW bullshit a year beforehand and replaced it with a normal leveling system where you use points gained from leveling up to upgrade your different units (Infantry, Reinforcements, Heroes etc). At that point, there had already been the introduction of a new large scale game mode (Capital Supremacy), six heroes (Finn, Phasma, Obi Wan, Grievous, Dooku, Anakin), two new reinforcements (ARC Trooper, Commando Droid), and a fuck ton of skins for troopers and Heroes. Major Lee is just a fucking retard who literally doesn't know how to argue a point. He could be told to argue that an elephant is big and would talk about elephants being small because they are sometimes in photographs. God fucking damn this TLJ defending emptyheaded fuckwit. edit: i can't spell for shit

[@spuart3308]

@black bear I mean yeah the multiplayer is the good part of the game. The revamped single player is pretty alright but the campaign is indefensible. DICE lied in their marketing and the gameplay as a whole felt rushed and kinda shit.

[@justincider8892]

Well. The statement is fair, right? You can't have an informed opinion on something you haven't played. You're just trusting other people's opinions. I totally agree with voting with your wallet though. It looks bad to me and I don't like EA. So I won't buy anything from them. That doesn't change the original statement that I couldn't speak about the game.

[@VaporSulla]

It's ok to like bad things. I put ice cream in my french fries and I love it but I'm not going around pretending I've discovered some kind of genius recipe. C'mon.

[@turtleboy1188]

Icecream fries is good tho

[@julianmarquez4747]

im going to try that.

[@bjaurus6375]

What kind of fucking degenerate puts ice cream on fries? The ice cream will melt and the fries will get soggy. You're supposed to dip the fries in the ice cream. It's a perfect combination of salty and sweet as well as creamy and crunchy; the best of both worlds. What you're suggesting is the worst of both worlds.

[@zoads82]

I put bacon in my Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich.

[@vincetyler8416]

@G Ren 0/10 for the attempted trolling with obvious bait.

[@SleekDiamond41]

The EFAP writers really blew it this episode. This Major Lee character was completely unbelievable, an absurd caricature of TLJ defenders. Writers, do better.

[@eyesfullofsky9776]

Look, it may be season 2, but it's Episode 1 of Season 2. You need to start off small and then have them face harder enemies as you progress, it's kinda like a videogame's levels- weren't you listening to anything this Maj0r Lee guy was saying?? That's what makes it so cool!

[@MrDdeded]

@@eyesfullofsky9776 Episode ten finna be the hardest level

[@wesspect]

I need to know which of these guys are buffer so I know who won the argument. Unless one of them is the good guys then that guy did

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

"Kylo is this new type of villain, he has this tinge of redemption to him." Hmmm... where did I saw that type of character before? Like someone with a name that starts with the letter A? Hmmm... HHHHHHMMMMMMM.........

[@ivorythebashful]

Ákos Kovács Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... yeah... it’s so strange, isn’t it?

[@amanibob1416]

"Is th *A* t supposed to be Alfred?!

[@Debicus]

@@amanibob1416 10/10, love the self-aware cringe.

[@mumkeymaan4600]

Admiral Ackbar

[@Paag603]

Adolf

[@Goldengolfer330]

God listening to this guy was painful

[@Kaucukovnik666]

He has a professional voice of hype. Luckily the real people kept throwing in wrenches so he couldn't fully get it going.

[@Gamsterjeff600]

That was rags

[@framegenius9205]

Random Stormtrooper But none of Lee’s points made any sense and he contradicted himself and the previous films all the time. What were they supposed to do? Just go with it and not critisize him?

[@mcrn1994]

@Random Stormtrooper And as every shitty stormtrooper, you missed the point. Your overlord Lee doesn't provide any valid arguments. MauLer and co. invited him over to defend his point of view, and he failed miserably. Now go be a wanker somewhere else.

[@elephantpowerproductions]

At least he actually bothered to come on and not be a shitty person to everybody

[@BetterCallStan]

“There would be no movie if there was good writing.” - Maj0r Lee, circa 2019.

[@trevorthornley8835]

Okay this maj0r Lee must be trolling. There's no other way.

[@robinthrush9672]

It's funny that Rose starts off preventing Finn from saving what he loves instead of fighting what he hates (leading to losing a large number of the Resistance at the end of a futile sub-plot), then at the end stops Finn from fighting what he hates instead of saving what he loves (I'm not sure what he loves at the end, to be honest), causing the Resistance to become vulnerable. Oh, and Finn's wrong while Rose is right despite the outcomes of her actions.

[@Prof_Tickles92]

No. Rose along with DJ taught finn to fight for a cause as a whole, not just individuals like Rey/Poe. She saved him from making a pointless sacrifice like her sister did.

[@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486]

Professor_Tickles 92 a sacrifice that would’ve saved the resistance: pointless? Btw that doesn’t justify Rose’s actions, when she crashed into Finn the chances of them both dying were so high but nah it’s fine because plot armour. Also Rose’s sisters sacrifice was not pointless, her sacrifice led to the destruction of the biggest threat to the resistance that the first order currently possessed

[@Prof_Tickles92]

Deus Vult Finn’s sacrifice was pointless because the beat was already disintegrating his speeder. He’d have been vaporized before he hit it. Paige’s sacrifice did take down an imperial ship but the victory was in vain because Poe’s reckless actions cost a great deal of resistance soldiers. So they had a greater net loss.

[@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486]

Professor_Tickles 92 1. That first statement is quite simply false. Finns speeder was being melted by the beam but was still in tact when he was within a couple feet from the laser and would’ve absolutely made it. Plus that just raises the question on why Finn was even still alive after Rose crashed into him considering his speeder was already melting, the crash should’ve left him in pieces scattered across the ground. 2. When the stakes involve destroying the biggest threat to the resistance currently being used by the empire, losing a bombing squadron is absolutely worth it and Poe made the right decision. If Poe has listened to Leia the bombing squadron still would’ve been destroyed considering they were already within range of the ship and are incredibly weak, they would’ve been gunned down anyway and nothing would’ve been gained, plus the biggest threat to the resistance, the most powerful ship owned by the empire would still be in the air as an active threat.

[@attilapataki46]

@@Prof_Tickles92 wow you are so wrong...

[@niks3632]

this is fascinating: " it did not bother me,...." " without it, there would be no movie...." somehow these TLJ-defenders manage to utter the exact same empty statements each and everytime.

[@january3rd293]

@@jessewam Patrick is like the overarching villain that doesn't allow himself to be touched.

[@joeyn985]

Every movie is good because every movie has to be exactly how it is and couldn't be different and mistakes don't matter

[@akshayhere]

Movies are not a series of logical choices. Most movies would end too soon if everything happened logically.

[@grayski3324]

@@akshayhere Then have good writers who can work with that.

[@akshayhere]

@@grayski3324 There is literally no drama if everyone acted like perfect logical beings.

[@NickMK]

Arguments were basically "It was perfect" "It was well done" "I clapped for that" and when counter arguments were presented as to why that is objectively not the case, the response was "ahh I don´t know" "That´s really not that important" "All movies have flaws" and "Well...maybe *unsupported explanation*"

[@krieghart5515]

don't forget "ah whatever." Dude has a better movie in his head, but doesn't realize it's not the same as the actual movie everyone else watched.

[@Phiro00]

not to forget "it didnt bother me"

[@krieghart5515]

@Tom Ffrench I think both focus on what they hate/love about it. Sure, there's things to both love and hate, but overall it's the taste left in your mouth that leaves the most lasting impression.

[@bass-dc9175]

Objective flaw: "It doesn't bother me" Fan Theory based nonsense and eye candy/fan service: "I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT!"

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

I think Major Lee was surprisingly friendly, more than his comment on MauLer's 100k subs Twitter post, and I enjoyed listening even though it was clear he didn't understand the mentality of the EFAP crew in critiquing movies (same arguments as Just Write, which is funny to me). I would be all for seeing him again but with him hating something, just to sort of get his take on it.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Ehhh, kinda of, but he was the first and most willing to throw insults.

[@adamp6320]

He wasn't a jerk in the EFAP (quite the opposite) but he was really annoying and came across like he is a troll or actually a stupid person. I like Mauler and Rags and Wolf because they're smart people. Debating with trolls or idiots isn't fun.

[@crosstrigger1]

He made a lot of good points. And I do agree with his assessment of Kylor and Rey having a dysfunctional relationship akin to love. It's unfortunate that some of his good points were ridiculed by the three other hosts and played for jokes. Lee did have problems with his defense, but the debate was by no means balanced.

[@errant3]

@@crosstrigger1 Good point? Not according to something called, Logic.

[@sammydray5919]

@@crosstrigger1 How was it a good point?

[@PublicLeeSpeaking]

Maj0r Lee is the embodiment of disingenuous argumentation. He Gish Gallops constantly, states false thing as true with complete confidence, answers questions that were never asked to avoid answering your actual questions, moves the goalposts constantly, and worst of all will admit that you are right, then continue on as if he hasn't just been proven wrong. The last bit is the worst as it reeks of "I'll say you're correct to get you to stop talking about this, not because you've actually convinced me" thinking. He'll agree that you're correct, and then continue on as if he was the one who was correct instead, throwing any argument he can, no matter how vacuous, at you to try to 'win'. Also, it's probably for the best that he wasn't there. He would've had an aneurysm over the sheer stupidity of this guy's arguments. Hell, it made MY head hurt, and I was just listening.

[@Goramann]

You summed it up pretty well. I never in my life experienced such uncomfort while listening to someone. I don't even think he understands what he is doing or how he comes across. I'm actually pretty sure that like 99% of people who listened to this haven't understood how absurdly awful he presented himself here. And I don't mean maliciously, but just cluelessly (is that a word?). And that's the worst part about it. I can't even be mad at him. The only thing I can do is shake my head and keep watching at this once in a lifetime dumpsterfire.

[@adamp6320]

Very well put. I can't get over if he is a troll or a moron. At least he wasn't a jerk though (scratch that if he turns out to be a troll).

[@justjoshin7225]

I think he is either an idiot or in denial.

[@dricsi07]

Honestly this should have been. EWAP. "Every Word A Pause" because holy shit. This guy is delusional, he was unable to make up any point at all. All of it was "to him".

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

PublicLee Speaking Look at it this way; he actually came on the podcast Eric, Harris, Jack, Quinton, Patrick, Tonald. None of these “Flawless critics” will so much as grace this little corner of the internet to discuss why they’re right. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

[@talunable]

I stumbled upon EFAP when I was looking for GOT season 8 rants. At that point I only was interested in GOT and Marvel content. Later, for some reason, I decided to watch EFAP from the 1 episode. I'm really happy that I did. It's so much more fun to watch when I know the lore. You totally feel like a second family to me. Appreciate you all. You created something great. Thank you.

[@GabeSweetMan]

I have several friends like this where having a discussion with them is actually painful because they are too dumb to understand how to formulate a logically consistent argument. Instead they deliberately avoid defining any terms, OR even if they do the definitions conveniently change to suit their argument in the moment irrelevant to how it impacts their previous statements. These discussions then become a series of Schrodinger's Cat experiments in which every argument they make is simultaneously every variation of the same argument with every definition of every word being used and every time you open one of the boxes you discover a contradictory outcome that retroactively alters the states of the previous boxes until finally you open the final box, the other boxes disappear and all that's inside is a note that reads "Look, I don't actually care what you think and I'm not going to change my mind. I just want to win the argument."

[@GabeSweetMan]

Having finished the archive I have to say, while Lee's arguments are infuriating, the man himself is so good natured it's literally impossible to hate him even if I hate his arguments or lack thereof. Good on ya Lee, you were able to have a disagreement but still remain civil and courteous like an ADULT in spite of your child-like wonderment of the flashing colors and pretty women that seem to distract you so easily.

[@Saddamuel]

@@GabeSweetMan If he enjoys the film for superficial reasons then there's no reason to believe he would be an unpleasant individual. I mean it as no offence when I say that there's no reason to expect a dumb person will act like a child or a in a mean spirited manner. The problem comes with the ideological types who seem to enjoy TLJ as a piece of propaganda. They specifically enjoy those aspects that actively make the film terrible. The analogy I thought of is that it's the difference between liking Stalin because of his facial hair and liking Stalin because he murdered counter revolutionaries and starved millions of people. The latter is worrying because the person likes Stalin for precisely the reasons he is a monster. The former is so irrelevant that all I can do is say "ok".

[@GabeSweetMan]

@@Saddamuel I agree. A fair distinction. It's becoming increasingly rare to find someone who is not ideologically driven in their opinions these days and it's nice to finally encounter someone on the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of taste who actually believes what they believe not because of some ulterior motive (i.e. the "dogwhistle" argument) but because they genuine care about the thing they are arguing in favor of, albeit poorly.

[@Saddamuel]

@@GabeSweetMan Such people are the silent majority who are busy enjoying things. The small minority who are hyper motivated are the types insisting on injecting their politics into everything. Not just movies or games but into the news, into companies, in universities. It only takes a dedicated minority who care about pushing their ideology for it to permeate the culture. Maj0r Lee is either a troll or a normal guy who doesn't care about politics either way.

[@GnogginGnome]

Gabe Sweetman I know what you mean, I have a group of friends that won’t listen to a single thing against the new star wars movies.

[@RogueFox2185]

95% of Lee’s arguments weren’t good at all but the fact that he came onto EFAP when everything was stacked against him was impressive, while I don’t have as much contempt for him as before I still believe he’s an asshole but he actually handled criticism like a man and I can respect that.

[@smugalice6206]

Yeah, he’s actually strangely likable

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

"he actually handled criticism like a man" He deflected arguments, derailed the discussion to another topic/argument and attacked people whenever he felt he was argued in a corner. Every single time the discussion was about to get interesting because we were getting deeper into a topic, he just shut it down. The "man" is a narcissistic snowflake with a soothing voice.

[@Saddamuel]

I don't follow this closely so I thought Maj0r Lee was a character. I thought it was a joke where someone they know comes on and makes nonsensical arguments. Now that I know otherwise I have to give the guy some respect for coming on. It seems to me that he isn't an SJW. I don't mind if someone enjoys a bad movie for superficial reasons but it does annoy me when politics ruins a movie and ideologues then praise the movie because it contains some of their propaganda. They enjoy it for precisely the reason it is terrible. It's like saying that what is so great about Pol Pot is that he killed all the intellectuals and forced everyone to live an agrarian life - that's literally why he is so terrible. If someone said they like Pol Pot because of his haircut then there's nothing to really say to that.

[@tommyanomaly6193]

Mauler's arguments weren't good at all. Major Lee made perfect sense.

[@RogueFox2185]

WORLD'S BEST Major Lee’s arguments was him brushing off a majority of the TLJ’s flaws just because they didn’t personally bother him, half of the theoretical scenarios that Mauler brought wasn’t really answered either so I fail to see how Mauler’s arguments weren’t good here.

[@yetimalone2844]

"I don't know man" What a great defense

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

I can see why Wolf wasn't here this time.

[@braydoxastora5584]

@chaoszieg after mauling lee to death

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Can you imagine that carnage?

[@MarcAlcatraz]

Wolf has such a temper he would flip out at the first contradiction Lee presents

[@dricsi07]

Wolf would have died. Hell even I would have started screaming bllody murder after the first 5 minute.

[@aTalkingKoala8294]

Wolf just hasnt evolved as a critic. Hes not looking at things through the correct lens and if you consider reader response theory, you can really see that.

[@yeti112]

You could have played the elevator music during the whole video.

[@lapisgerentis6337]

Absolutely, just not as loud as when used in previous efaps.

[@llucaxu1249]

49:28 "We are currently dealing with an emperor clone." Oh if they had known...

[@srj34]

Anything could maybe happen in a movie. Therefore there was nothing wrong with The Last Jedi.

[@resident429]

If his defense of TLJ was an act he deserves a goddamn Oscar.

[@thelurkingpanda3605]

I can't tell you how many times I considered if he was trolling

[@grayski3324]

@Tom Ffrench There wasn't anything there. Rey has no reason to even care about Kylo until they were forced to be in love a bit.

[@Aacezay]

@Tom Ffrench there wasn't anything lol wtf

[@Aacezay]

@Tom Ffrench You are actually hilarious lmaooo your ignorance knows no bounds and your fake arrogance is the cherry on top. YOU are film illiterate and it actively is proven by the movie you choose to defend. It’s ok to like bad movies you moron.

[@spartansquid5931]

@Tom Ffrench Even if those deleted scenes were included and did in fact imply something romantic or sexual, that would still be bad writing as there is absolutely no logic or justification for Rey liking or falling in love with Kylo. At best you could argue Kylo wants to possess her. This would be like Padme falling in love with Anakin 10x faster than she already did (which was already considered rushed), but with the addition of Anakin killing someone very close to her and being a mass murderer tyrant. Essentially Padme falling for post-order 66 Anakin/Vader in basically half a day. How does this make sense to you, simply because there was a scene of them being somewhat physical? You realize bad writing exists right And just because something does happen or can be strewn in some way does not mean it was good writing, or has good logic or justification. A writer can just simply fuck up, easy.

[@johnellisbushbush]

“It’s a mistake but it was meant to be there so it’s fine”

[@AdmiralCify]

Respect for doing this to all that were involved. Sadly Lee admitted multiple times at the end of the stream that his whole online person is intended to troll and rile people up. So i have no doubt that this was a prepared stunt from him. He tried to trigger people and wanted to get this thing to explode. Props to Mauler that he kept is cool. For the audience this was a though one - i still feel that i lost some IQ points from the nonsense Lee tried to pull.

[@hisokamorow6709]

He is a contrarian for the sake of views. Which MAKES SENSE. In current youtube views matter, like or dislike, don't matter. So keep arguing against what is popular, keeping that persona and trying to make it logical. It takes effort and some mental gymnastics.

[@leafyisqueer7155]

Good point, BUT why is your comment formated this way, its difficult to read

[@MegaMyown]

He so used, “I’m a troll” thing as a ploy, people do that all the time online when they get their asses kicked lol

[@burritosforlater]

@Enclave Soldier agree. He sounds too passionate about what he says for it to be a character. He really means it.

[@MobiusLeader007]

@@MegaMyown I think it was Rags that pointed it out: "I was only pretending to be retarded."

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

4:11:51 My superchat gets cut off and not read out fully :( "The Not So Great Debate 2: Electric Boogaloo" At least MauLer chuckled at it before finishing it

[@heliophobia5279]

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[@RogueFox2185]

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[@meris8486]

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[@massivetism]

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[@jamesparsley5796]

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[@grum7140]

This debate will always be hilarious. Essentially every point Major Lee made was debunked instantly and yet he kept pushing on and taking the abuse

[@snowfox4277]

Unfortunately one thing he predicted came true… Reylo 🙄

[@bananaboi9067]

@@snowfox4277 only reason he could predict it was it made no sense at all. If it made any sense and Rey gor with Finn major would never have seen such a logical move being made.

[@bustersbrain]

LEE: That scene is so f...king cool because of how long and detailed it is. EVERYONE: It was shorter than all the similar scenes. LEE: Thats what's so f...cking cool about it. Its so short that it leaves it open to interpretation. EVERYONE: It doesn't leave any questions unanswered, it was just restating things we already know. LEE: But that's what's so F...cking cool about it, it repeats it so that it really sinks in. EVERYONE: But because of that we wasted time that could have explored the bad guy. LEE: Thats what's so f..cking cool is that it doesn't tell us about the bad guy, because then you can get surprised every time he does something.. Is he bad.. Is he good? It's cool. ...... And on... And on.... And on.... His opinions and rationalizations flip all over the place to praise every scene and take an opposing position to the rest of EFAP. And for the love of God please bring Vito on again sometime soon.

[@user-pm7pw1tl3t]

As yoda would say. Thats why you fail...xD

[@theNewHellenist]

Yes more vito

[@EmptyAltruism]

I’ve heard Vito say he doesn’t really like mauler or rags in a video on his channel. I stopped being as interested in what he had to say after that.

[@theNewHellenist]

@@EmptyAltruism that's kinda idiotic to close yourself off from potential entertainment

[@EmptyAltruism]

​@@theNewHellenist i didnt say i unsubbed. Your statement is idiotic.

[@AlecRozsa]

It's weird how similar it was to his video they already covered. He originally made all those jabs about peoples' fan theories, but he himself touted how he predicted Rey's parents. Almost all of his defenses were basically describing what could be interpreted from the film. I think this is what Rian Johnson wanted in a lot of ways. He leaves as much to interpretation as possible with the characters, while the falsely created drama (ex. the bombers, incompetent first order, Holdo) propels the main plot underneath them to get them to where they need to be. The audience does the rest of the interpretive work for him, based on the legacy of Star Wars already left by OT.

[@Mord12gp]

So what your saying is that he thought he was being clever but really he was being lazy.

[@AlecRozsa]

@@Mord12gp It's difficult to pinpoint. I do believe from a writing standpoint, it does require less effort. But with the shear amount of direct insults, retcons, disrespect to fans, I get the distinct impression that he knows his film is not actually Star Wars. He is not playing 4d chess or anything, but he is definitely letting the audience do a large portion of the work for him. He has that narrowed down to a twisted art form.

[@animalisticprik]

I forgot how dumb this makes Major Lee appear. The guy can hardly form a comprehensive argument to save his life. And when he does he contradicts it seconds later. Incredibly frustrating individual to listen to.

[@mrmackellar3337]

I gotta give Maj0r lee credit, he’s actually pretty damn chill, even if his argumentation is really bad

[@jrthehunter4309]

I agree. Even though I disagree with him, as a viewer, I found him and MauLer to be the most "Likable" on this podcast. Both were fairly chill and respectful

[@blazefa.]

@@jrthehunter4309 true, Vito was making me cringe

[@madcapmakov2]

Major Lee is chill

[@DovahKanye]

I'd rather someone who was infuriated with good arguments to be honest.

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@@madcapmakov2 Yeah, super chill... when he's actually having to engage the people he talked sh*t about in his videos 😂

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Also Lee's argument of 'You really think Luke would have taken up that lightsabre after letting Han die and be like 'Okay, now I'm ready." Why would Luke learning that Han was killed prevent him from wanting to take up arms to prevent other people he cares about from being killed?... May as well say 'My house burned down and I didn't have an extinguisher to stop it... So I no longer want to have a fire extinguisher and don't want to stop fires." Of course it's Lee, so why do I even try?...

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@oneiroagent Yeah, Luke has evolved. Sucking the milking out of fat animals was the true path to enlightenment. Luke has become the Buddha of Star Wars and you just have to accept that the themes are brilliant. /s

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@oneiroagent Yeah, entire movie is awesome because of one scene. Are u 9? /s

[@beneadie7147]

Edax what scene did he say made the movie? idiot.

[@onepoundswallowtwopoundcoc3115]

@ben eadie when did he say one scene killed the entire film? A: He didn't! Better question, why didn't you two numb skulls actually read what he wrote?!

[@onepoundswallowtwopoundcoc3115]

@ben eadie there, now we both made a mistake. Would you care to reread Edaxs posts?

[@jakegriffith6871]

The fact that you stayed sane doing 5 hours with this guy is quite a testament to your willpower.

[@saltytattie833]

7 minutes in, Major Lee seems pretty decent so far. EDIT: 30 minutes in and I want to die. EDIT +: 40 minutes in and I am just going to skip to EFAP 26

[@Sunny-jv7yt]

I am now 3 hours in I am ready to kill younglings

[@catsquidcatoverlord9842]

5 hours in, the younglings are dead.

[@yeetdiscreet1278]

Five hours and 25 minutes in, I am drunk on the blood of the younglings.

[@mellow156]

Exactly the same, just can't stand to listen to lee anymore lol

[@thememesjack6128]

@@yeetdiscreet1278 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[@DragonFruitXVI]

3 out of 10 It's like watching someone desperately trying not to die when they were decapitated 5 hours ago.

[@ImBusenlolXD]

- Bilbo Baggins.

[@russmurphy3645]

"It didn't bother me" is probably the worst fucking argument anyone ever says.

[@zachpulido5972]

If only we could look at wahmen

[@TwentyPercentDash]

Even though you didn't have on Blessed Pipe Man and our great Jared to discuss Just Write's new video on Objectivity, this was a truly great EFAP. I really like hearing you guys have intense debates, and I look forward to more.

[@DB1Dragoon]

Check out Smudboy video bro it's damn good at pointing out the bullshit in that video.

[@OriginalGameteer]

"Rose is going to have the same role in episode 9" Man that statement is hilarious now "We don't want the good guy to lose." Yeah... no. Obviously good triumphs at the end but the hero getting their ass kicked at one point isn't inherently a bad thing.

[@inquisitionagent9052]

Dude his quotes aged like milk. "Rey and Ren don't have a romantic relationship" "Finn will play a major part in ep9" "Rose will have the same role" Lmao. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong!

[@Furcifer93]

I disagree with a lot of what Major Lee said and I'm 50/50 on whether he's s Poe or not; but, I still have hand it to him that he did what many others have not and actually came on EFAP.

[@Toxici-Ty]

I was kind of on the fence... When he said Luke's arc was better because he changed more in less time I feel like he was obviously trolling. That can do easily be ridiculed surely he can't actually think that?

[@georges4061]

He's 100% playing a character. It's pretty clear after watching this. If not he's got an intellectual deficiency .

[@Saddamuel]

Oh thank god. I came into this cold as I've never heard of him and I thought it was an in joke where the EFAP boys get a friend on to make terrible arguments for a laugh. After a while I realised this was a real guy but I'm glad to see that there is so debate as to whether he might actually be a troll. It's either that or he's not particularly intelligent (I mean no offence by that). He enjoys the movie because it's one thing after another and there's a bunch of action. As far as I can tell he would have enjoyed almost anything and that is fine. Some people like WWE, some like Game of Thrones, some like Shakespeare, some like all of the above. I much prefer someone who likes TLJ for superficial reasons rather than an ideologue who sees their politics reflected in a movie and enjoys it as a piece of propaganda.

[@theaspiringwriter7249]

EFAP BOOK THREE: [To Be Named] CHAPTER ONE: Majorly Confused

[@SynthwaveWine]

More like "Maj0rly Misguided"

[@connormoorerocks]

okay when major lee asked if rags was following the conversation, I honestly lost my shit

[@jackiedan2450]

Major Lee talks in circles and constantly contradicts himself. When he begins to realize this, he quickly presents a new red herring topic to divert attention from his inadequacies. If that doesn't work, he makes up invalid arguments to defend his premises. This guy also comes off a bit rude. The only conclusion that can be drawn is Maj0r Lee has no idea how to present and support his ideas.

[@jackdaone6469]

Yeah, the dude was passive-aggressively insulting them all throughout.

[@houseoftoussaint9609]

They’re not much better.

[@go_rilla262]

@@houseoftoussaint9609 Shouldn't you be running into a dungeon by yourself?

[@ellis597]

Around 1:35:00 MauLer says to Nuke the A and B plots. Major asks "Why would you do that?" MauLer proceeds to start explaining a point and Major goes "That isn't important." My god this man is ridiculous. Ask for clarification of a point and then deny said point being presented. If you're going to have a discussion at least listen to the points and come to a conclusion. Either you can defend it or you can't. If your answer is "It's not important" then you have no legs to stand on whenever someone says the material in question is bad, as anything you say "Has no importance." Suck it up that your movie is awful and accept it; you can't defend it beyond your feelings and deny any point brought up against you.

[@hpw101]

Lee’s whole “Luke’s arc in this was better than his OT arc” around 3:11:00 is what convinced me that he is a troll. No sane person can believe that.

[@DarthMerlin]

Major Lee has less standards than a toddler. Put a few pew pews and boom booms on the screen in front of him, and that's enough, apparently. But, hey, at least he was willing to come on...

[@winkles2314]

I’d rather he hadn’t come on, to be frank. This was a massive waste of time.

[@MikulOnIce85]

So he didn't notice that the whole 'force bond and the vision' was a set up and a trap that snoke created to try to ensnare ray?

[@hassathunter2464]

Also ripped from KOTOR1 and 2; much better stories.

[@Xanthas998]

He did notice, but only when it's convenient to his point.

[@joshuaholke]

I've listened to the bit from 4:53:27 to 5:09:54 probably a dozen times. It's so interesting to hear the idea of objective criticism in film explained to him in so many ways and for him to still not understand it in the end.

[@jgamer2228]

Willful ignorance

[@miser2570]

Its not that he doesnt understand it, rather he doesnt want to understand it. I used to have a classmate who was utterly convinced she did not understand "math" (said in many ways and quasi generally), and no matter how she tried to take in math lessons and explanations about the most basic to relatively more involved problems, she always fell in the "i dont understand it", as if a mantra of sorts. She didnt understand it because she was convinced she didnt understand it, as she was fully capable of logic and calculum when it wasnt contextualized as "math", it was a concious to subconcious bias (aka the concious precept that "she doesnt understand" inherently made her mind subconciously avoid being able to work around any mathematical problem) against the topic that stunted her.

[@2b_or_not_2b60]

this is very tragic all those people trying to defend such a huge cinematic fuck up. It's totally ok to enjoy the movie despite the flaws, but pretending that those flaws aren't important or aren't flaws at all is just tragic.. It makes my head realy hurt.

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

In the Return of the King, Aragorn should have had no idea how to use a sword. He was so perfect in the previous movies that I would absolutely love it if they added dimension to his character this way.

[@HCSR2]

"Don't think about it. Consume product and get excited for next product. Trust me."

[@TheDartho900]

He lost me at "Battlefront 2's campaign is great"

[@AliceJameson]

26 minutes in, Lee must be trolling right? No serious person or gamer would make these arguments. Edit: Oh my, it never gets better.

[@abroken-heartedliberal9507]

My brain melted listening to this. "It's like poetry... It rhymes." only 10x more idiotic This man is the ideal corporate fan. They could smear feces on the screen and he'd like it.

[@jgamer2228]

Not only that, but he’d clap and cheer

[@wesspect]

“Oh wow really? you guys have a problem with the poop??”

[@leonardodavi2695]

"Me spilling water and me threatening to murder my family member while they sleep is two different kinds of mistakes." Best line in the entire video.

[@joelbrown2625]

I do them both fairly often.

[@go_rilla262]

@Tom Ffrench wut

[@Operation_Bagel]

@Tom Ffrench Being egged on to the point of being pissed off and fighting back is way different than contemplating murdering someone in their sleep. Luke went to Vader to try and save him despite knowing the bad he’s done while he almost killed Ben on the basis of “he might be bad”

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@Tom Ffrench I too remember the moment where Luke went into his old and frail and innocent dad's tent and pulled a light sabre on him cause he MIGHT do something bad.