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[@Nickle_King]

"Only nazi's care about the lore." "I really liked the lore." So Jim Spalling admits it?

[@DaMaster012]

Let them talk for long enough, rainbow flagscists always tell on themselves.

[@sagacity1071]

He can't make clear points anymore... too much personal anger at his insecurities.

[@Nickle_King]

@@sagacity1071 ya. And it's really sad. I used to watch everything Jim did. I didn't always agree when he went on some of his rants, but for the most part, he did good work. Keeping pressure up on abusive industry tactics and practices. Defending creators when they've been screwed over by their publishers and the public didn't understand that. Hell. The whole Romine situation. god, i miss Jim Fucking Sterling Son. He wasn't the end all be all, but he was a damn sight better than he is now.

[@r.k.5031]

Seems he wasn't a consumer advocate as much as an attention whore who happened to stumble into a worthy cause the first time round.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

@@Nickle_King A literal dog shit is a better person and content creator than Jim Sterling ever was.

[@Zephyr503]

Citing Fallout 4 in defence of Fallout TV is not a winning strategy.

[@TheMaleRei]

On the contrary. It's a winning strategy for the *other* side: "Oh, you're sourcing your views via FO4? Are you sure you want to do that?"

[@Sumoniggro]

Bad writing recognizes bad writing.

[@RhysCallinan-cq5re]

Fallout 4, the second worst game. Only topped by 76. Which is a low bar to clear that you don't even need to jump to clear. Notice he didn't reference NV or 3, or the first two.

[@Sumoniggro]

@@RhysCallinan-cq5re fallout 3 was pretty bad and was used as a bad example by Sterling, fallout 3 showed that Bethesda were on a decline in the writing department, and to a lesser extent the decline of game design/development that reared it's ugly head in fallout 4 (oblivion was shaky but is leaps and bounds ahead of Bethesda's games from fallout 3 and beyond) this doesn't take away from the fun fallout 3 offers but the story, lore and believability of the world existing as presented was abysmal.

[@RhysCallinan-cq5re]

@@Sumoniggro Maybe but I think 3 is still better than four tbh. At the very least we got NV from 3, but with four we got 76. I could be wrong, though.

[@rainbowratto1834]

Illegally short EFAP, you have been reported to the Long Police.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

The Long Police's cruisers are just limos.

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

Only 4 hours, they really fell off

[@theliato3809]

Amazons screen flashed [EFAP]will remeber that] There will be more videos to come as the discussion on fallout continues

[@sirpugsalot6113]

Especially after a long wait since the last one.

[@Jasper_Silva]

Stay where you are. They should be arriving in 15 hours.

[@pricemac]

The fallout bottlecap currency thing is actually really interesting. Different regions had different systems: many regions figured out how to get beer or soda bottling plants running again, using them to bottle purified water for trade. Returning the cap was worth a discount: and so the caps had a value- eventually ending up on trade caravans to one of the plants to be exchanged for a discount on a water shipment. In other regions: mines were revived, and gold became a currency: generally controlled by some group. Finally you have the NCR: with paper fiat currency.

[@ethanflores6252]

To be fair to the NCR, their money was gold-backed until the Brotherhood of Steel slagged their gold deposits during the war and that triggered hyper-inflation like we see in New Vegas

[@MediumRareOpinions]

​@@ethanflores6252Which was an interesting way to establish why caps made a comeback as currency when dealing with NCR merchants and getting payment from their representatives.

[@trashfire9641]

Legion Denaris, never leave your shack without them.

[@lostalone9320]

That's the thing though - In the original games, caps are actually explained and are a function of the caravans. But you can't have currency without some form of society. Gold is worthless when people aren't even making jewelry with it. But in the show its just presumed that caps are currency and everyone knows what they are worth and its so frustrating.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@@lostalone9320 yeah, it's kind of weird that Lucy, a vault dweller who's been outside for maybe like 20 minutes, knows what caps are and about the general wasteland economy. I guess she took some econ 101 classes when she was 6 years old and her mama had her surface side, it's a shame it was all repressed magically when that bomb dropped

[@sirgaz8699]

There's a half dozen comments of me, from the day after it dropped, saying "Fallout is like SW TFA. I didn't like it but a lot of people love it because it wears its fallout paint well but given time that paint will peal and reveal a pile of rust underneath" and "it feels like the writers put in a lot of time and effort to study fallout lore through nothing but memes"

[@bordocofrivia2896]

You and those people saying that* are right, I mean, have people watched maulers decimation? It's absolutely not going to last long.

[@GhostLink92]

So season 2 will be like TLJ, if the trajectory holds. Wait a sec, does that mean in Season 3, we'll get to hear "Somehow, The Master returned..."

[@oddforoddssake3751]

@@GhostLink92”Somehow, The Caesar returned…” also comes to mind lol

[@nhagan001]

@@GhostLink92”somehow, Shady Sands was unnuked”.

[@jessemockler616]

😂​@@nhagan001

[@richter6699]

The funniest thing about all of this is that the Halo show literally just needed to leave the helmet on Master Chief and the seals would have clapped. Nobody would have noticed how bad it is if it simply jangled the keys. That is the lesson Fallout teaches us

[@burgertime6372]

Erm… literally just let people enjoy things???

[@azraelbokor247]

Oh so Critical Drinker is just an idiotic seal, who likes jangling keys. Gotcha

[@Pink.andahalf]

Criticizing bad media does not stop anyone from enjoying it. You should look into why you let others' opinions bother you so much. ​@burgertime6372

[@eidolon1426]

​@@burgertime6372 You must be a VERY insecure person to have *that* reaction to a factual statement.

[@AstrodeBastro]

@@burgertime6372Why can’t you just let people hate things?

[@TheUnoriginal2394]

the shot of new vegas isnt fanservice. its a threat.

[@nickylag3912]

And it work, im scare

[@bluemutt9964]

"Where is Mr New Vegas? Is he safe? Is he alright?"

[@somekindaMedusa]

You get it. Our enemies have told you who they're targeting next

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@bluemutt9964”It seems, in Todd’s anger, he killed him.”

[@peanutgallery4]

Still triggered Mauler rejected "Fallout: An Unbridled Waste" when that was clearly a better title

[@kangaroo3731]

Agreed

[@nananamamana3591]

Agreed. We must *DRAG* the Longman into the street and face trial for his crimes against titles!

[@dikathemas6713]

well to be fair to the fallout show, it's not quite as bad as the rest of the Unbridled Rage so there's that

[@TOGYS7]

Why didn't Moldaver just ask the eagles to fly the cold fusion tic tac to Mt Doom?

[@kevinmayfield6182]

This would be even better if it was Big Mountain instead of Mt Doom lol

[@grimjoker5572]

@@kevinmayfield6182 Big Mt. Doom

[@ClungeEnjoyer728]

Why does Moldaver, the largest vault dweller, not simply eat the others?

[@DUKEzors]

What world is someone living in if they think an obsession with happy endings is where we are today? The entertainment industry is saturated with awful deconstruction and morally grey non-conclusions where everyone loses.

[@hieronymus4120]

That comment makes more sense when you recall that Sterling engages with the world primarily through the opinions of his hated ideological opposites. The "obsession with happy endings" he is talking about is the popular dissatisfaction with the status quo of subversion, nihilism, etc that you mentioned.

[@lostalone9320]

The one thing we ask for is not happy endings, it is "satisfying conclusions".

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*The short version of the fate of Shady Sands is “got nuked.”* *The long version of the fate of Shady Sands was “Eh, got nuked.”* What wonderful craftsmanship.

[@grimjoker5572]

You do realize time is a forwardly progressing linear experience, right? This is season 1. They have confirmed season 2 and 3. They have confirmed this is going to be a big plot point in season 2 and 3. The story isn't over yet.

[@8ligh7]

I'm enjoying the fact that were getting comments from Fallout tv fans similar to that of the good old cope idea from ST fans of "the next film will explain this poorly written part of this film", as if the writing of the sequel wouldn't be just as bad, if not worse. "It's like poetry, it rhymes" -George Lucas

[@grimjoker5572]

@@8ligh7 _"I'm enjoying the fact that were getting comments from Fallout tv fans similar to that of the good old cope idea from ST fans of "the next film will explain this poorly written part of this film""_ So you're enjoying being told that time is linear while thinking that because that other franchise wasted its potential that this one will waste its as well. Good to know such simple concepts entertain you I guess.

[@arkoa0000]

​@@grimjoker5572The writing is crap and no amount of fixing in the next season will do good. I have seen this argument made plenty of times and so far a majority of the time the show continues to be garbage so it make sense EFAP people are not jumping on the bandwagon considering EFAP has been thru this multiple times. If you are going to use this dumb argument then Rings of Powers and every other show that had this problem should be fine by this argumentation.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@arkoa0000 _"The writing is crap and no amount of fixing in the next season will do good."_ Unanswered questions in the first season of a TV show is not bad writing; just the opposite. The continuation of a story answering questioned raised by the start of the story is not "fixing" the story; it's continuing the story. An uncomplete story is trash if left incomplete or badly complete though yes; that's true. Unfortunately neither of those conditions apply to the show. _" have seen this argument made plenty of times and so far a majority of the time"_ Alright; so you can say "it probably *WILL BE* trash." Yet you cannot say it is now trash. I don't care about your doomsaying though. The show has already defied the odds in my opinion thus I am willing to bet it will do so again. You can choose to bet elsewise; that's fine. _"EFAP people are not jumping on the bandwagon"_ No; "not jumping on the bandwagon" would be letting the show finish before you say the unanswered questions make it trash. They are jumping on *A* bandwagon; the one against the show. _"Rings of Power"_ Rings of Power's issues were not unanswered questions. Rings of Power actually contradicted the core mechanics of the franchise it was set in and destroyed the world. This Fallout show, in Season 1, moves a few locations geographically and changed power armor to have Ironman thrusters instead of a jetpack; both dumb changes but hardly catastrophic. Yet saying "those shows were bad so this show will be" is nonsense. By this logic Arcane will be trash in Season 2; so I guess Arcane is trash now because statistically speaking even shows which are good in Season 1 tend to go bad in Season 2 lately. Therefor; Arcane bad.

[@AjayRiver]

Sterling really hates others caring about stuff he doesn't

[@65firered]

Bro is next level hater.

[@TheMaleRei]

Sterling just hates... He is a revolutionary who longs to start the revolution.

[@stdamonsbeard]

It’s the only thing that brings him joy in life.

[@AfutureV]

EFAP is not very different. People enjoy Star Wars/Fallout/X just for aesthetics, humour, or nostalgia? You bet EFAP will be there mocking them. Apparently, you Have to care about writing first and foremost, no other acceptable way to enjoy media.

[@65firered]

@@AfutureV You can enjoy anything but if you lie about it, say it's good and start throwing shade at people who didn't THEN they have a problem. Note that you enjoying it isn't the problem... of course if you make it a problem by lying, then you feel the heat.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

The Ink Spots after watching a Sterling video: 🎶 _"I _*_DO_*_ want to set the world on fire..."_ 🎶

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Well it does give me that Uranium Fever.

[@zigzag1630]

The Ink Spots looking at old-school Fallout: "🎶In my heart I have but one desire. And that one is you, no other will do.🎶"

[@tentacledood5784]

EVIL Ink Spots be like:

[@5omewhiteguy211]

2:13:30 "shady sands being destroyed is a reminder the wasteland in a fucking wasteland" But it's not... shady sands didn't fall to the wastelands. It didn't collapse from a lack of resources or infighting. It didn't fall to another faction gaining more power than the ncr. It didn't just slowly die from the crazy rad-animals that are around 24/7. It was destroyed by a random nuke from a vault tech assistant that was big mad that his wife left him.

[@5omewhiteguy211]

Dammit 2:29:05 fringey makes the same big mad point.

[@ParanoidAlaskan]

NCR gets nuked by a cuck. This is somehow a fitting end to a beloved faction that we have been following for 3 games.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

And the writers pretending that Shady Sands was the entire NCR.

[@rddragonman]

Yeah, non Bethesda fallout understands that it's been 100 - 200 years and the people have the wasteland have enormous tools and resources to rebuild, we can't have that. Nuke shady sands.

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 The Administrator & Flanagan 3:32 The new rags 4:41 Godful Constipation 7:21 Tagline & Preface 11:56 Defense 29:30 Praise & Criticism 32:04 Rebuttal 39:08 Drama & Satire 42:20 Summary 42:46 Rebuttal 48:12 Unresolved Problems 49:37 The Captured Character Paradox 51:22 Mauler Leaves! 57:27 Preamble 59:45 The Video Starts 1:02:10 Opening 1:08:38 Lore vs Storytelling 1:15:01 Coverage 1:35:42 The discussion 1:49:51 The comedy 1:52:40 The Story 1:59:31 Shady Sands 2:24:48 Destiny 2:47:23 Motiv & Narrative 2:51:38 Timeline 2:57:57 Kyle MacLachlan 3:02:40 Ignore it 3:03:04 The Writers & Freedom 3:05:25 The Last Shot 3:08:41 Refrigerator 3:10:10 Lack of Fundation 3:30:24 Things Change 3:34:24 Backup 3:36:17 Brilliant reasons 3:42:13 The Kit 3:43:38 Move On! 3:47:28 Ending The Video 3:52:22 Space Wizards 3:53:29 Production 3:56:30 Ending 4:01:47 Closing Thoughts 4:14:35 The Panel & The Cans

[@benjaminolive1366]

Mvp of the community right here

[@compostsmurf5519]

Praise the Don.

[@codyopperman5930]

Bump

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

The Toxic Brood thanks you for your services!

[@TheHalogen131]

You are collecting so much good karma.

[@rddrecon9741]

3:44:09 Jim said Tamriel doesn't change, yet between Oblivion and Skyrim, things changed dramatically. There was: The eruption of red mountain, causing Morrrowind to be covered in ash and lose a lot of its settlements and its people to seek refuge in other provinces The war between Black Marsh and Morrowind as revenge for the Dark Elves enslaving the Argonians The Aldmeri Dominion Forming and beating the Empire into submission, causing the Empire to sign the White Gold Concordate Several provinces, including Skyrim, rebelling against the Empire as a result of this The uprising and defeat of the Forsworn at Markarth The destruction the Dark Brotherhood in Cyrodiil and Skyrim The disollution of the Mages Guild in favour of the College of Whispers and the Synod Oh, and DRAGONS came back from the dead And this is just the stuff I remember. This is such an obvious lie in an attempt to make the show look better. To say nothing changes in Tamriel is simply incorrect

[@bilson7523]

It's almost comical too, because the White Gold Concordate being signed and the outlaw of Talos worship is the foundation for the war between the Stormcloaks and the Empire. Even if you only followed the major plot elements, one of the pivotal choices for your character in that game hinges on the fact Tamriel changed between Oblivion and Syrim. Heck, the death of the last Septim arguably set those events in motion! Sterling is such a hack.

[@billjacobs521]

Honestly, I think he was only looking Skyrim, and only at the fact that Skyrim is covered with ancient ruins and hardly anything new, like the Nords have been basically trapped in time for millennia. And that's a fair point, I guess, but I don't really have a huge problem with it.

[@HonkHonkler]

Normies ruin EVERYTHING.

[@The90sDoggo]

I see Jim has fully embraced the clown persona.

[@Ubermensch9240]

Her name is Stephanie. Stop Deadnaming her.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@Ubermensch9240Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself.

[@Sumoniggro]

​@@Ubermensch9240 How about no? You can't compel speech from anyone, I will call whoever I like whatever I like, and those that are detestable don't deserve respect.

[@Jasper_Silva]

He was always a clown, he just underweent clown affirming surgery recently, but you should refer to him as a clown retroactively.

[@RhysCallinan-cq5re]

​@@Ubermensch9240But then I'd be insulting all the Stephanie's in the world. At least only Jim's parents insulted everyone named Jim, not me. And besides, Jim suits that clown better than Stephanie. Plus Stephanie sounds cute and lovely, all the things that Jim is the opposite of. Jim just sounds Derpy.

[@korokleafgaming6863]

This show is basically TFA all over again: it tricked alot of people into thinking that it carried the legacy of the previous content forward when in reality it just about destroyed everything in the pursuit of keeping an imaginary “staus quo”.

[@joedatius]

for the love of fucking god STOP TALKING ABOUT STARWARS. like holy shit i dont like the new ones but jesus christ dude its been fucking years get the fuck over it already. I swear this fucking community never fucking shuts up about those stupid movies. ITS BEEN ALMOST A DECADE GET OVER IT.

[@TheMaleRei]

@@joedatius No. Never forgive. Never forget.

[@pastychong]

@@joedatiusit’s a comparison… chill out lol.

[@longdeath8843]

Tip for actors: If a director or producer ever tells you to ignore the lore of a given property, run and don't look back.

[@jackchipper7458]

The fact that Sterling said “you are nerdnazi” (properly meant gatekeeper) Just because we disliked the retcons of the games in the show, I hope the last of us season 2 will be set in space and Abby is a white guy not a girl Let’s see how he likes that mr. nerdprogressive

[@Ashkihyena]

Jim “he’s fat!” Sterling.

[@grimjoker5572]

Except what I've seen seeing is Fallout fans gatekeeping a bunch of political activists who don't know Fallout from being mad at the show.

[@The1337guy1]

@@grimjoker5572 Are these Fallout fans just you? Video has been up for less than an hour and you're here running defense because people had the nerve to criticize this show. Man I hope you're just a troll because otherwise, what are you even doing here? Get a new hobby.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@The1337guy1 _"Are these Fallout fans just you?"_ Nope, plenty of others in these comments already. _"because people had the nerve to criticize this show"_ No; because I'm subscribed to this channel, saw a new video and am responding to the bad arguments it contains. Welcome to KZbin. _"what are you even doing here? Get a new hobby."_ You are here in the comments attacking the show though; so yeah... glass houses, stones, etc. So I guess that makes you a troll by your own logic.

[@taddad2641]

honestly the only retcons i can think of is small stuff for adapting this into a world vs a vidja game. the rest just don't ave answers yet. te ghoul medicine could just be recent and or localized. the implication that it needs ghouls to make, as te pot heads had several imprisoned ghouls, is a dire implication..... not to mention said medicine was used by the chicken fucker to heal thaddeus' foot. So its something more than just 'a plot device' here. But yea there is the situation with vault tech ensuring the paocalypse cause they thought it inevitable. The bigger plot though is them seemingly acting to prevent the civlization they thought couldn't come back on its own, from cominb back on its own. WE also don't know yet how they started, or even if they DID in fact, start it. Intent is there, the madness, the vaults. Peole saying it retcons all other information, i don't agree. Just cause the peeps on the top planned it doesn't mean it was common knowledge throughout their organizations. They could be as likely t obe telling the government this is for space program simulation, as tey are to tell the public that the vaults are for their safety. Essentailyl everyone thinking they are mastermidns and doing their own bullshit. Vault tec had its own plots basically. We don't even know if they actually suceeded either. Its entirel ypossible that they never set off their false falg and the world ended before they were ready.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

Writers: “Shady Sands is gone.” Fans: “Oh my gosh! All that culture and beauty. How did it perish?” Writers: “Got nuked.” Fans: “…What? How? Explain! I need more answers than that!” Writers: “Nah, I just wanted to see it get nuked.” Consumers: *seal clap wildly*

[@grimjoker5572]

Tourists: “…What? How? Explain! I need more answers than that!” Writers: "we actually put a lot of thought into it and it's going to be a main plot point for the show going forward." Tourists: "WAAAA! I WANT IT NOW! IT'S TRASH BECAUSE TIME IS LINEAR AND THE STORY ISN'T COMPLETE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIRST SEASON!"

[@emerald4splash]

@@grimjoker5572 I'd love to see the end of this glorious story that was f*cked from the start by its poor writing

[@stigmaoftherose]

I understand from your point of view someone must be a tourist to want even the most basic level of competence from something bethesda had a hand in, but as a massive fan of just fallout 1 and 2, who really hates everything bethesda did to fallout, no. ​@grimjoker5572

[@grimjoker5572]

@@emerald4splash Except it's currently just an incomplete story that a lot of angry tourists are completing with spite-fiction just so they have something to be angry at. Could it end up being bad if the questions are answered poorly? Yeah. Is it likely they will be answered poorly? Yeah. Was it just as unlikely that Season 1 would be any good at all? Yeah. So the show has beaten the odds once already; I'm willing to see what comes.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@stigmaoftherose _"I understand from your point of view someone must be a tourist"_ They're a tourist when they demonstrate more concern with their real life politics than with the franchise.

[@Airdown]

For the record: in Fallout 4, the most Bethesda Fallout game yet, Vault 81 denies you entry even though you use a PipBoy. The show could've used that as a reason for why Ol Moldy couldn't just breach the Vault with the innocent people in it, but they didn't.

[@TheSlammurai]

Right. You can open any vault with the pipboy in that game but since 81 has living people in there they're able to override you when you try to enter.

[@austinsultenfuss7661]

But they went to the other vault with the intention of breaking it open expecting people inside. They didn’t know it was uninhabited in the first place. So why didn’t they just start with 33?

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

​​@@TheSlammuraivault 88 has a living overseer actively defending against raiders. Unknown to her, the raiders are killed and like seconds later the player opens the door because the button is the only thing in the room. Pipboys open all vaults except in extremely limited cases when the plot says no

[@HerohammerStudios]

​@@elyrienvalkyr8167 Vault 88 is an unfinished shithole with a caved in overseer living in a fucking trailer. What are you talking about?

[@nachgeben]

It's pretty clear that she did it the way she did it, because she wanted to hurt the vault dwellers significantly, and there was a level of terrorism to her actions. She's the representation of the Activist, willing to hurt innocent people just based on what they are instead of who they are, and in intensely sadistic ways, based on their 'inherited wrongs' in their existence. The only reason she liked Lucy's mother is because she was willing to abandon the entire vault thing to side with her. You guys are proving you're just as media illiterate as the people you claim to be better than.

[@Martijn_Steinpatz]

Just when you think Sterling can't get any worse, he achieves the impossible.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

ROW ROW, FIGHT THA POWER!

[@r0w5tortion84]

​@@Lobsterwithinternet so this is what Spiral Energy can do? Amazing, ain't i-

[@user-ps7zq5sy1b]

Sterling is a man, or woman or whatever who to say whatever he wants but doesn't want the consequences. In other words, he is a big wussie.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@user-ps7zq5sy1bClearly a man, bro.

[@albertnonymous9759]

For most of the video I interpreted nerdnazis as nerdses, because in my mind it made perfect sense Sterling would be channeling would be channeling his outer Gollum and do a "hobbitses"

[@codyopperman5930]

Why don't you nerds touch grass and consume product? Maybe the tectonic plates shifted or they just moved where the city was off screen for no reason. (Both of these were said by someone)

[@grimjoker5572]

The location of the city doesn't matter as much as the events which happened; if the events still happened but in different locations nothing is harmed. Things are changed, yes, which is needless and does hurt the adaptation quality. Yet pointing out superficial changes as massive issues is what is known as "nitpicking."

[@iguran6035]

​@@grimjoker5572ight bet, lets say shady sands was under MIT, or in sanctuary hills, or hell in vault 32 would that change nothing? Or are we just huffing cope?

[@Wolf_ManJack]

@@grimjoker5572 "Nitpicking" is a sorry defense; it means you believe there are details beneath consideration. Well-paid craftsmen are meant to regard *all* details as worth consideration, as that is the qualitative gulf between mastery and perfection, perfection and post-perfection (IE, quality so good people have difficulty replicating it even with instructions, lightning in a bottle shit), and most importantly, mediocrity and mastery. On the graph, I see an arrow pointing towards mediocrity here, but I could be swayed to believe it is pointing behind mediocrity and towards incompetence.

[@petriew2018]

@@Wolf_ManJack "nitpicking" is what people with no defense fall back on to save themselves the trouble of having to think of a defense. Distance in the Fallout games was actually kind of important. Getting from point A to point B across an irradiated wasteland is a major plot point and a fundamental piece of the world those games were built on. the enforced isolation is why you have so many factions and so many conflicts going on. If people could just wander freely from one city to the next in a few days, the entire universe of Fallout suddenly doesn't make sense. But pointing out that the show writers put absolutely no effort into actual world building is totally not a valid criticism because it's just not something he's frankly smart enough to understand... not like he knows anything about Fallout anyway, so why should he even care?

[@RhysCallinan-cq5re]

It's just deflection and poor excuses. They can't defend it but refuse to give in so you get bullshit like those comments.

[@mercaius]

People really be like, "How fucking DARE you enjoy stories for the world building and criticize them for mucking it up!"

[@bilson7523]

The Raiders vs NCR debate is a good example of fans writing for the show. It literally does not matter who those people are, that entire sequence is broken because of what it does to Hank and Moldaver.

[@billjacobs521]

True, but it is just another confusing element of the show. It feels like episode 8 was written after episode 1 was shot, and they had decided on an entirely new direction.

[@petriew2018]

my first reaction : wait, Jim Sterling is still relevant? my final reaction : nope, he still frankly isn't. Is there any multi-billion dollar corporation he won't bend over for?

[@RhysCallinan-cq5re]

Probably Elon Musk.

[@silenceyouidiot]

Uh, he shat on the Deadspace remake pretty hard; who owns that IP, EA? Also he seems to be anti-Nintendo from what I remember. Right up there with Kotaku journalists imo.

[@lostalone9320]

Elon definitely does not want Sterling's butt. Elon may not have the best taste in women, but he definitely not into crusty, flabby man ass.

[@AlsoMeowskivich]

shady sands was a message to the fans the sight of new vegas is them announcing their next hit

[@shogunpug4071]

There's a recent post in the Fallout Subreddit talking about how Maximus is actually good character. The entire thread you're not allowed to point out how incorrect their opinion is because how subjective it is while trying MAKE everyone think hes objectively good and well-written. So sure they aren't saying you're killing people, but they're actually unironically love the bad things about the show. How do you combat intnetional ignorance when they enjoy being ignorant

[@TheMaleRei]

You back away slowly and if / when someone appears in your area and starts repeating said points - Simply say: "Shhhhhh. The adults are talking."

[@Sumoniggro]

Call them braindead consumers and walk away.

[@Fuk99999]

“Why is the black character a psychopath who chimps out when he doesn’t get his way and literally never does a single intelligent or sane action even when it’s as simple as outright lying. What did they mean by this”

[@darkpuppetlordful]

To be fair, I would say Maximus is closer to a good character than Lucy, or the ghoul, or Hank after episode 3, is that a well-written character or a good character, but he's better than a lot of the others in the series and I would say probably closer to a good character art than most. Like all they would have had to do is tighten up why he got promoted in the brotherhood initially, make him less stupid, and have him try to radio the brotherhood initially after knight Titus dies and somehow fails and that puts them on the path that leads to the BS of the story rather than deciding to break his radio and go on that pad willingly.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

2:46:10 But the NCR gave rights to Ghouls and Super Mutants. Heck, the best Rangers in the NCR are ghouls. How is this supposed to be better than the NCR?

[@TheMaleRei]

Don't ask questions. Just consume product and get excited for next product! Don't you know time moves forward linearly and societies change and bad things happen in the wasteland? Nukes will destroy any and alm progress because rebuilding society is the show's job not previous games...

[@richardthirlwall8767]

It is so strange to me that anyone would dare to unironically argue that the Fallout TV show is a great example of how NOT to do fan service. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with fan service as a concept, and I expect there to be either references to the games, or just a continuation of continuity and iconography, but this show will cram (reference intended) it down your throat at any opportunity. 'Do you remember stimpaks?!' 'What about sugar bombs?!' 'You like dogmeat right?!' 'How about an NCR gas mask man?!' 'Here's a junk jet!' 'Hacking a computer terminal!' '50's music while wandering the wasteland!' 'Lazy lamp shading throw away line about side quests! Genius!' All this, while at the same time, getting key information so inherently wrong abut the world building and universe. I don't know what's more baffling, the show itself, or Sterling's hypocritical take on it all.

[@canaldecasta]

People taking Plagiarulo seriously explains partially why we are in this mess.

[@boobborne]

Wholy*

[@uneterostardust8233]

his name sounds like a wombo word

[@Fuk99999]

I’ve seen people call him a genius writer

[@xiriusthesoulwatcher3955]

Plagiarulo! Ha! I dont know if this was a typo or intentional, but you've earned a like

[@Rickmagnus911]

The really dumb part about the Maximus fridge scene is that Fallout literally has individual fallout shelters called "Pulowski Preservation Shelters" that they could have shown him in but instead they went with a fridge which FO:NV already showed not working.

[@billjacobs521]

Those things were a joke, though.

[@conradpabis9032]

​@@billjacobs521 So is the whole "survive a nuclear bomb in a fridge" thing

[@martonszokola3806]

Citing Fallout 4 as a defense for this God awful shitshow is both sad and funny.

[@TheMaleRei]

2nd attempt. On the contrary. It is very useful for the rest of us. It means such a defense can be dismissed out of hand.

[@dragonhunter4592]

The whole "NCR vs Raiders" bit just shows how utterly confusing the Fallout show is. The implication I got was that the NCR army has essentially gone feral after Shady Sands was destroyed. The whole debate is just, as mentioned, a way for defenders of the show to sound more intelligent than they are, with the show essentially explaining nothing at the end of the day besides how "sad" The Ghoul is.

[@billjacobs521]

Yup. The show raises a million questions, and when it does bother trying to answer them, it's just a confusing, contradictory mess. Like, there ARE answers sometimes, but the answers just raise more questions or contradict other things we're told, so that hardly qualifies as an answer.

[@AxleMX]

The point of this show is to wipe the west coast clean of pre Bethesda things to make way for fallout 5, which I believe has been confirmed to be taking place on the west coast

[@SwanCollins]

Calling fans who respect continuity "nerdzis" Real rich coming from someone who favors retcons so some hack writer can have a protagonist be a war criminal.

[@keyboardstalker4784]

No, it’s even dumber than that. He was saying “if you care about canon and continuity, that inevitably results in Nate being a war criminal.”

[@christopherkelley1664]

I genuinely like the double meaning in "the world deserves a better ending."

[@JaelaOrdo]

Fallout show: Capitalism bad! Also Fallout show: made by a company owned by Jeff Bezos

[@absolutechaos13]

With an IP owned by Microsoft...

[@uneterostardust8233]

The show really isn't a good representation or criticism of both capitalism and communism, it's absolutely r3t4rded

[@vandalcreed]

We could get super technical here and argue that Amazon isn't a private but a public company, as it sells shares to the public and any member of the public can buy such shares. This can be considered a social organisation, one that controls the means of production making it socialist. There is also a reasonable argument that international companies are states unto themselves as well. So yeh them saying capitalism is bad actually makes sense.

[@Сайтамен]

Why can't they be self-aware?

[@completelyferrouschemist6776]

Robert Hessen stated that the term "capitalism" itself is a term of disparagement and a misnomer for economic individualism. It kinda hits funny that pro-free-market intellectuals never used the word Capitalism until Marx and his fellows started gaining traction and labeled anybody against them capitalists. Capitalism doesn't have a concrete definition, it's a label. Unlike Socialist, which has a traceable bloodline from Carl "haha! My kid died, one less mouth to feed!" Marx.

[@martonszokola3806]

We have more information about Megaton blowing up than we do about Shady Sands.

[@RhysCallinan-cq5re]

And the thing is, that settlement has a nuke in the middle of it. Built up around it, unwise as it is. It's also one of the few rare nukes that had a primer that didn't erode after two centuries. Getting a pre war nuke (not a mini one since that ain't doing shit to a settlement) is practically almost impossible. It being in working order is another addition to that impossibility. Then trying to get it into the city (since airplanes capable of carrying it and deploying it in the air are non existent) is also almost impossible. It's size, the fact you need to transport it into a defended city (post apocalyptic world with raiders, mutants and shitloads of other monsters) without the proper transportation vehicles necessary (trucks being rare and most likely regulated to officials or military, or being checked by guards for security) adds so much to that. I have more chance of sneaking a tank into my own city than anyone has of getting a nuke inside Shady Sands, and I have more chance of finding a tank in my disarmed nation of Australia than anyone would of finding an unexploded nuke (let alone one that works). And no one thought of that. How does one find writing so difficult? But these idiots find a way.

[@grimjoker5572]

because Fallout 3 is a story you can complete where as this is just the first of three confirmed seasons.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@RhysCallinan-cq5re Play Lonesome Road; your post is invalid. You don't know Fallout. Stop trying to apply real world logic to Fallout when it routinely defies it. There are a *LOT* of nukes left.

[@martonszokola3806]

@@grimjoker5572 Oh I'm sure they will complete that story and that it will make about as much sense as the rest of the shitshow. Also it's not a simple bloody thing to just waltz over to the bloody Divide and then activate and launch a nuke.

[@RhysCallinan-cq5re]

@@grimjoker5572 Lonesome Road is not considered canon by both Bethesda and the original creators. So yes, my criticism is valid.

[@42ndguardian]

It's different what Bethesda is doing to Fallout from what they're doing to Elder Scrolls. I'm more okay with what they're doing to ES than i am with Fallout. Because they built ES from the cradle, it's their baby. But Fallout is an adopted baby orphan. And what bethesda just did was tantamount to spiking every memento that child had of it's bio parent into a septic tank

[@grimjoker5572]

I like the shows and Bethesda games... but no; they need to stop what they are doing with Elder Scrolls. They made a lot of cool lore for the game but now are like "eeeeeeeh..... it's too weird, we can't show that" so like 90% of the world will just never be touched. I WANT MORE NONBINARY ELF GODS TALKING ABOUT THE MILKBONE DAMNIT!

[@MrHusami11]

This is embarrassing ​@@grimjoker5572

[@noupperlobemanify]

I'm embarrassed to ever admit I ever watched jim sterling. In my defense I watched before his mental breakdown.

[@samwallaceart288]

I know how you feel. I used to watch Lily Orchard but then her whole "no, I genuinely wish there was less white people" thing really derailed what could've been valid social criticism. I'll always hear out discussions on how minorities and atypical philosophies could be better utilized in storytelling so everything isn't all homogenous all the time; but when you get to the "if you like Harry Potter you're a Nazi and I mean that unironically" level of brainrot it really stops being productive

[@ManHamOrigins]

@@samwallaceart288 “Her” Lmao

[@uneterostardust8233]

​@@ManHamOrigins _not helping the accusations of efap fans being biggots_

[@uneterostardust8233]

​@@samwallaceart288Lily coming to the defense of Profesor flowers was quite something, "it's fine if black people want to do the gen0cidal racisms'', +the abuse alegations and deranged behavior, it's a rabbit hole that bish

[@julioacceus253]

​@samwallaceart288 which videos does she talk about applying philosophy to change hermonogy? I'm curious to watch....

[@Tri57b]

Retcons are a consequence of bad writing. Dismissing them with "So?" invalidates every argument you make.

[@boobborne]

Petition to have Creetosis' change his name to Creamy Creet

[@NoahSprague]

Sterling says it was the only way the story could have gone down. Definitely makes me trust him as someone who understands good stories when there is always another way to write something very rarely does something have only one outcome in a story and if it is that just means it was well written

[@Ubermensch9240]

SHE is a non-binary woman.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@Ubermensch9240I'm guessing you're being facetious.

[@Ubermensch9240]

@@akashajones6079 I have come to terms with the world I live in. I know what I want. Plato envisioned the Republic for what it could be. Marx sought the same. That world is never going to come, so art is made to reflect this. Theme is important.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@Ubermensch9240Oh....riiiiight. makes sense....

[@undercomposition]

I really like that Mooler has gone to war with Fallout.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Some writers just wanna set the world on fire.

[@Mac-eo4bc]

Oh boy, another TLJ situation. I can't wait for the excuses from slop-enjoyers after the honeymoon phase ends

[@ZeSgtSchultz]

I don't have any excuses. I liked the show, it has problems for sure but some of y'all act like it's Book of Boba levels of bad.

[@bordocofrivia2896]

@@ZeSgtSchultz That's because it IS BOBA FETT LEVELS BAD! WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THINKS THAT NUKING THE WORLD WILL DRIVE UP PROFITS?!?! This show is literally TLJ level bads but SOMEHOW, for SOME reason people are still simping over it like it's the Godfather part 2.

[@johnbauman4168]

​@@bordocofrivia2896 eh, it was ok. I'm not a huge fan of the setting but it felt to me like it was made by people who actually enjoyed the concept and wanted to tell a new and interesting story. The shareholder part was weird, but it seemed like the main driving force was to essentially make a new society run by vault tech and their cronies once the world was "ready"

[@jungoder1085]

@@johnbauman4168they literally destroyed all of the interesting world building that’d been done on the west coast since the 90s Deleted it all with a nuke with a stupid reason It feels like they hated non Bethesda fallout

[@johnbauman4168]

@@jungoder1085 I'm not sure how you can say all the world building was destroyed, when it's destruction is a key plot point. I get being a fallout 2 fan and being sad sandy shores is gone. If it had just been a random new settlement, diehard fans probably wouldn't have an emotional attachment though

[@wolfspider1628]

Didn't realize ol' MFing Son went back to using the "Thank God for me!" closing line. Last time I remember watching him back in the day, he said he was retiring that because it was too self-centered for his character or something like that. Guess he's back to being self-righteous, only this time it feels a lot less ironic.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Fun netlore tidbit: Quintion reviews (also known as Quintonian) planned to finish his most popular series Fallen Titans with a cancellation video on Jim Sterling. phrasing it as "he was going to destory the person who created Big Chungus". A week after this happened, Jim announced her transition, and this video mysteriously never came out.

[@charlesruteal9062]

I expected nothing less from Quinton "Contrapoints is the only KZbinr" Reviews.

[@peanutgallery4]

​@@charlesruteal9062lolwut is the context

[@charlesruteal9062]

@@peanutgallery4 An entire video of simpery. The problem is, Quinton deleted it (and I only know it from reactions to it), but there's a reupload on KZbin. The title is "How Contrapoints Can Save The Internet".

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

​@peanutgallery4 Quintonian is man who is willing to sell out to anyone or anything to become appreciated and loved my his audience. He started with Reviewing doctor who and Garfield but, like a Disney princess, he wanted more. He decided to sell him out ideological to the youtube skeptics, he tried and failed to grift in that community while the community was deflating into nothingness (as Naked Ape predicted). Contrapoints had this whole narrative in their video where 2 strawmen would have platonic dialetics between strawman and that she was "deradicalizing the Far Right" when, in reality, most of her videos only made sense herself. Quintonian decided to jump onto this narrative and become an epik breadtube who owns the fascists and what not. He made that rags video with TRO and made jabs at mauler with his citizen Kane review April Fools day joke Which fell flat. Quintonian was Failing to make waves in breadtube, so he made his epik Contrapoints simping video about how she deconverted him from an ideology he never believed in and how she's the dark queen of youtube, she'll save us all from the chudjaks. contrapoints then blackballed him from breadtube for being very cringe.

[@samwallaceart288]

I still resent that that's where Big Chungus comes from. Big Chungus is SO MUCH MORE than just "chunky anus, lol", OK, Big Chungus is the reassuring portly figure we all deserve.

[@dklwos8088]

Fringy bringing the Fring was peak fire.

[@godusopp9401]

I want a "Bring the Fring" shirt

[@Lunartic_]

And to remind people Shady Sands came from Vault 15. It was planned to be opened and emerge into a town or even a nation. Same with Vault 8 that became the Vault City. What the hell is the point of this "super manager" Vault when some of the Vaults have already opened and become their own thing. I would really love Hank to have conversation with someone like First Citizen Lynette on how he is the super manager and she needs to step down.

[@grimjoker5572]

Yes and Vault 15 also opened early due to improper management on the part of the Overseer who didn't properly implement population control; leading to the vault having to open far ahead of schedule. The same for Vault 8; well different reasons but they still opened early. These would be cases of poor execution and not a mark against their plan. The fact these vaults were made with the intent of opening up to create societies is actually a point in support of the show.

[@theliato3809]

Yeah. It makes Paul’s atomic bombing of shady sands make no sense since he jsut threw away customers and workers who had a capitalist economy

[@HerohammerStudios]

​@@grimjoker5572 this is blatant lying and omission of details. Vault 15 opened early, yes, but it was also only supposed to stay closed for 50 years, so it doesn't really matter in the long run. Vault 8 opened on schedule after a decade.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@HerohammerStudios _"after 50 years"_ Fair point; then the argument is that these were meant as testing the water. Seeing if it was safe to reestablish society. This just makes a plot-hole for Fallout 1 because why would it be safe after only 50 years? _"Vault 8 opened on schedule"_ No it didn't.

[@grayman4951]

@@grimjoker5572 It's possible that Vault 15's, and by extension the surrounding area's relative location was safe from the threat of radiation. There's an example of this present in Fallout 1; Roger Maxson and Co. were able to relocate from the Mariposa Military Base to Lost Hills a mere 4 days after the bombs dropped because the levels of radiation in the area were nonthreatening.

[@Sadovari]

How does Stirling manage to function with so few int points.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Idiot Savant Perk.

[@JTrizzleFizzle]

I hate how the showrunner talked about Deadwood. I get the "frontier town" aesthetic of the first season is really cool, but the show is telling the story about how the town goes from an illegal settlement to a full-fledged city during America's westward expansion. The major source of external conflict in the show is seeing how the characters deal with the town evolving and attracting outside attention. If all the show did season after season was "old west", it would eventually run out of ideas and get stale. Seeing things progress adds new conflict, scenarios, and breathes life into the setting. Having Fallout constantly reset to zero because some twat thinks it's more interesting is shooting the setting in the foot. As Fringy mentioned, seeing factions and ideologies rise and develop and then come in conflict with one another is why "war never changes" is the tag line for the franchise.

[@billjacobs521]

Even the very first game is about how things are like 80 years after the bombs; we see cities, trade caravans, etc.

[@charlesruteal9062]

CREEEEEEE! Mewbs' review had a suspicious lack of Jelly Mold™, so hopefully this EFAP will compensate for it.

[@Jiggleslinky]

I suggested “The Fallout of Fallout” as the video title so now it’s canon that I titled this EFAP. That’s how this works, right?

[@Jasper_Silva]

Jim Sterling's intro is just him unpacking the preach to the choir protocol in order to make sure his intended audience is with him the rest of the video. It's like a disagree with me and youre with the nerdzies ward. Lol

[@sparkypack]

Why are we still talking about Fallout? A new LotR movie is coming out. After this, Thorin part 1,2,3 and a Legolas spinoff.

[@TheMaleRei]

I understood that reference.

[@kylefrank638]

LotR? Who cares? Kraven's getting a sequel! Despicable Me 6 is nigh! Fin and Lando have their own D+ series!

[@mykr0324]

Legolas' crossbow training movie is going to be great

[@sparkypack]

@@mykr0324..and Kili's brothel house.

[@mickvd4]

"Leave the multibillion company alone!"

[@PeaceOrUtterDestruction]

The way they did it, I struggle to see how nuking Shady Sands and the NCR is not done out of spite. It renders a lot of your decisions in New Vegas meaningless.

[@Silenthero66]

Jim Sterling is almost as bad as Chris Chan. The only difference is the level of documentation, I'm convinced of that.

[@Gakusangi]

The problem with a lot of the defenders of maintaining the wasteland, the chaos and the brutality is that it's missing the point of Fallout. It isn't about the destruction, it's about what gets built AFTER. So if you're constantly tearing it back down to the point where it was destroyed and chaotic, you're never getting to the actual point of the entire series. How the world didn't actually die off completely, but rather how it was reset and what came about this time around. It's why all of the "good" endings are oriented around things that help progress the budding societies rather than wipe the slate clean again. While the nature of conflict is constant, "war never changes", the world does, it advances and grows. If you want Mad Max, then go play Mad Max, they made a descent video game adaptation of that world already. If you want Fallout, can we PLEASE have Fallout and not Mad Max? Jeez, Jim. This is good because you can see how it works when you have piss-poor arguments or no argument at all, inevitably you'll be countered by your own statements because you're just making it up as you go. Jim says blame the character, earlier with the bad writing in Fallout 3 he blames the writers. He can't keep consistency because you can't while trying to make this all fit in some meaningful way.

[@64bitcrafts]

Personal theory: Fallout is a much more niche property compared to LoTR; While Loops of Authority from amazon was horrible and the real-world audience was so large it was impossible to cover up in the end with fake reviews, bots, etc, Fallout just doesn't have the numbers of people who care that much. Amazon's massive 'marketing' budget will keep it alive until it is no longer statistically advantageous to try and lure more eyes towards it (maybe into season 2 at this rate), then it will have it's public opinion 'rude awakening' while all the bots and tourists alike forget about it and go quiet, but the fans and people who care about quality content will have their negative reviews rise to the top. History repeats itself.

[@akumasstorytime3910]

It's literally what happened with TLJ the tourists fuck off and then everyone realizes that "holy shit this was terrible."

[@oddforoddssake3751]

I told my friend jokingly, upon seeing all that was wrong with the Fallout show (mostly plot, partly a couple of the characters), that “I regret becoming a Fallout fan like I did”. He just nodded and went “Fair”. I was mostly joking, but I think he believed me. For context, he saw the show, I just saw some clips and then the MauLer review. I consider this to be telling.

[@grimjoker5572]

I'd suggest you watch the show for yourself before making an opinion. MauLer's video on it is not good.

[@oddforoddssake3751]

@@grimjoker5572Well, I know it’s not perfect. If it was perfect, I’d be skeptical. But I shall take you up on watching the show myself.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@oddforoddssake3751 He invents the Moldover / Rose lovestory, the motivation for Moldover to do this all "for Rose", invents Moldover being a paragon of virtue (in a show that's main point is nobody is morally clean in the wasteland), says Hank is low rank when Hank is a handpicked successor of Budd Atkins, one of Budd's Buddies who are supposed to be the managers of human civilization when the vaults open. Just for the easiest points where MauLer fall short; perhaps some things to pay attention to in the show. I've rewatched it with his review in mind and just don't know where he got a lot of this from. Anyways; if you watch it and find the answer I'd like to hear it. I enjoy MauLer's content but he's bordering on lying about this show.

[@matthewconroy5275]

I don’t think he ever says Moldy does it all for Rose. But the show does definitely try to say that she obviously cares for Rose (I would even go as far to say she probably loves her) She kept her alive as a feral ghoul. Would she even have the capability of that especially right after shady sands was nuked. Even has her in a chair at her table (which is probably also a part of her “interrogation” of Hank as well). Moldy holds her hand as she is dying saying “we did it Rose” To the point of him saying she’s a paragon of virtue. The writers 100% gave her a hero’s death. She’s dies overlooking the sunset watching as the power comes back on (her main objective of the season possibly the whole show) holding hands with someone they show she clearly cares for

[@Wolf_ManJack]

@@grimjoker5572 And once more, you are the confused party; MauLer's comment about Moldover is metanarrative, as she is an icon of the beliefs of the *writers* of the show and her presentation is representative of that. You may personally ignore that this is a fake story written by real people, and that the well from which the water is drawn has piss in it; MauLer can taste the piss and thinks it's very strange when people lean in for seconds.

[@abcde6081]

I really wish more people would start to realize the fact that fallout 1, 2, and NV are a completely separate franchise in every way but name only compared to everything else ever released with the name "fallout". The idea of the brotherhood being a massive military force that spans from west coast to east coast is silly, nonsensical and contradictory to everything established about them in 1, 2, NV, and the fallout bible. The only reason they appeared in 3 is because of Emil's lack of creativity. The only reason they kept appearing after that, and will keep appearing in literally everything fallout related, is because they're now as marketable as bottle caps and vault boy. Nu-Fallout, or "Toddout", is just pure iconography and marketing. Nothing but 'member berries and references to hide a pure void that lacks anything of substance, and this has been the case since 3 (and arguably BoS).

[@grimjoker5572]

_"The idea of the brotherhood being a massive military force that spans from west coast to east coast is silly,"_ Welcome to Fallout 1, 2, and NV where the Brotherhood is said to have the Midwest Chapter and the Texas Chapter (though the specifics of them are only canon until contradicted.) You should have just said "I wish New Vegas was its own franchise" since it's very obvious that is the only game you've played.

[@abcde6081]

@@grimjoker5572 The Midwest brotherhood was established in tactics, a game developed by an Australian studio independently from fallout's original creators. The Texas chapter was established in BoS, a game that is incredibly infamous for being something the developers were forced to work on against their will, and who were required to dumb down the game as much as humanly possible by marketing executives who had never played the original games. It is very obvious that *if* you actually played the classic games, you weren't actually paying attention to them. Fallout 1 is my favourite game in the franchise and one of my favourite games ever made. I have spent more time playing it than any other game in the series. In the endings of fallout 1, the brotherhood is either wiped out by mutants, taken over by a military dictatorship that slowly destroys itself, or becomes a centre for research and development. In fallout 2, the brotherhood doesn't actually take part in the story, and only makes a minor cameo appearance following the cannon research and development ending. The New Vegas brotherhood was the fallout 2 writer's best attempt at rectifying and connecting the brotherhood from the classic games with the brotherhood from 3, and this saw them being practically wiped out in the battle for Helios one, with their isolationism slowly killing them. However this was completely undone in 4. According to the fallout bible, the brotherhood originated as a small detachment of mutinied soldiers who had declared independence from the US government as a reaction to the FEV research. This small force remained an isolationist militant group hell bent on securing old world technology. It would have been literally impossible in terms of manpower and equipment for them to be a large military force. Tactics was written by a small group of devs who had little to no contact with the original writers and who didn't understand fallout lore and storytelling. BoS was written by marketing executives, and Bethesda's fallouts were written by a level designer. There is no competition here.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@abcde6081 _"The Midwest brotherhood was established in tactics, a game..."_ Which is canon. I don't care who made it. _"BOS was a game..."_ Based on established notes which included the Brotherhood having a Texas chapter. The specifics of the game are bad, which is why they aren't canon. The overall general concepts of the game aren't; which is why they are canon (until contradicted.) _"It is very obvious that if you actually played the classic games..."_ Because of all this stuff which in no way contradicts anything I said. _"According to the fallout bible"_ Which was never canon. This was a development document used in Van Buren and never an actual statement of canon. Much of it was revised as it was being written and throughout the TTRPG campaigns the developers were doing behind the scenes. If you want to be a Fallout 1 purist; that's fine. Yet the franchise has expanded and evolved a lot since then. I mean The Enclave wasn't even a thing when they made 1. That was something they invented for 2.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@abcde6081 The reason I say it doesn't matter who made Tactics, by the way, is that the company was still owned by the original creators. Which is why if they said it was canon, it was canon in the same vain as the original... because the original creators gave it their seal of approval. It would have been the same if Lucas said KOTOR were canon.

[@abcde6081]

Tactics has literally never been considered fully cannon at any point in series history under interplay or bethesda. Your personal opinion doesn't override that. There is no mention of the brotherhood of steel existing in Texas outside of the BoS game whatsoever. It was created for BoS during BoS development, and that's it. The fallout bible is a collection of notes compiled by Chris avellone, a writer for fallout 2, for the purpose of unifying all fallout lore, correcting any contradictions, and creating a lore compendium to be used for any future games in the series. Nothing in it directly contradicts the lore established by fallout 1 and 2. Everything it has to say about the brotherhood is derived from the holotapes seen in fallout 1. Regardless of the bible being stricken from cannon, what it has to say about the founding of the brotherhood is absolutely canon according to 1 and 2, under which, an extensive brotherhood military force would be literally impossible. Which of course neither hollywood nor emil care about. I'm not a fallout 1 purist, I'm a fallout fan. I love fallout, it's one of my favourite media franchises. The reason I, and people like me, only like 1, 2, and New Vegas is because they are the only fallout games. Everything else is either a non-cannon spin off or a poorly made fan fiction that only resembles fallout in the most surface level way possible. It certainly doesn't help that the show and Bethesda takes every opportunity to spit in the face of OG fallout and its fans.

[@pat_back]

Fringy talking about Simpsons is my only joy in life. Efap seasons 1-9 when?

[@SFTaYZa]

season 1 is very un simpsons and 9 is at least a quarter bad

[@portalmanHUN]

Why do these slop slurpers always have the same voice?

[@smd1876]

They are carbon copies 😂

[@canaldecasta]

2 thoughts: 1- Once again I am forced to watch Jim. 2- I don't remember what I posted for the unlisted video. 3- Short man bad. See you next efap. Edit: I rember now. Fringy has to say his ICONIC greeting "Bring the Fring".

[@He11Jumper]

Gustavo Fringy

[@Ubermensch9240]

That's not her name anymore.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@Ubermensch9240You're in a cult, dude. Break free.

[@Waffles281]

@@akashajones6079 Fringy must bring the Fring Fringy must bring the Fring. Also rino milk 🥛🦏

[@godusopp9401]

Fring it on

[@mrman6723]

so not wanting shady shands to be nuked means im not on the far right, what the happened to jim sterlings didnt he use to have reasoanble takes against the big gaming compaines and calling out bad practices?

[@FlorkGnubbler]

Politics is a hell of a drug man

[@kingofthegutter8259]

The owl man has returneth

[@65firered]

Goatboy

[@dyliokhan3946]

Femboy Goat

[@SFTaYZa]

has returneth

[@kingofthegutter8259]

​@@65fireredhe will always be an owl in my eyes

[@HelpW4nted]

​@@kingofthegutter8259 I'm glad I'm not the only one that misses the owl.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

I think that an issue with online discourse is that positive discussions on a show are usually vague. Like, you see it even on EFAP where a good show is described as "It's good because it's good," with part of the reason why it took a while to get people to watch Andor being that people would say things like "Oh, it's so good, it's well-written, the acting is good, everything is just good," with specifics like "There's a really awesome disarming scene early on," being added to the recommendations later on. As opposed to when something's bad where people will just run through a list of all of their issues with the show. It's why negative videos tend to get more views than positive videos... Unless the positive video has more 'meat' to it. It's also why in comment sections you can have a person listing out all of their reasons for disliking something get countered with "Well, I like it because it's good," and just ratioing the long comment, because they assume that the shorter, positive comment has more weight because people generally want to like things and don't often need more of a recommendation than "It's good."

[@Sumoniggro]

The problem with good things is that you don't want to spoil a good thing for people you are recommending it to so you tend to be more vague.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

​​@@Sumoniggro Sure, but, you also want to get people to watch the thing. For instance, in order to promote The Dark Knight they released full scenes featuring Joker online. To promote Elemental, Pixar tried revealing as little as possible but what eventually made it start earning money was people talking about specific details on Tumblr. If a project really is good you should be able to reveal SOMETHING if you want to convince people to see the good thing. The mindset of "Well, I don't want to reveal anything at all, you just gotta trust me that it's good," isn't the best mindset to have. I could think of more examples of how revealing quite a bit about a project made it successful, like how showing the Red Light, Green Light scene in Squid Game on KZbin really pushed the show into extreme popularity, or how showcasing the climactic I'm Just Ken song had a big impact in making people want to see it. But, yeah, the point is that if you really like something and actually want people to see the thing, you need to give more of a reason than "It's just really good," and if you can't without spoiling the big reveals, maybe it's not that good? Also, from a content perspective, who really wants to listen to a video with a person saying: "Yeah everything is good about this project. That's my opinion. Bye.

[@silenceyouidiot]

​@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917Korea and Japan do this pretty well, they'll happily show the CGI effects of their monsters and the visuals/plot of say, an abandoned village where zombies pop up with a tease of the plot.

[@samwallaceart288]

​@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917I think what people need is an iconic moment. Instead of "This is ___" it's "This has got ____ in it" that people remember. Fallout's "We got Vault girl doing Vault things, Power Armor shenanigans, and Walton Goggins as cowboy skeletor" is an instant sell. Stuff like Andor is a lot harder because that show's value is specific character interactions and realism that you can't put into a thumbnail easily. As a fan of Andor and things like it, it's a challenge I'm genuinely working to solve; because a lot of my own writing has the same problem that it's not easy thumbnail material. And that is a problem. People NEED a good thumbnail to hold in their head. For me the best path is in figuring out the exact moment a non-iconic work overcame and earned my investment. The moment. For Andor the moment that made me NEED to keep watching was when Syril's boss tells him NOT to investigate the crime "I'm on my way to a quarterly review where I will tell them that our work has been productive and without incident; and the goal of Mt report, if you should ever be in such a meeting, is brevity." That's the sell for me. Andor isn't a "very good Star Wars show"; the sell is "Andor has regular people in the Star Wars world who have to make their way around life-altering problems with only the tools and connections they have; no plot armor, no force powers; you even get Mon Mothma as a POV character, and see just how much work goes into doing the right thing while having your every movement spied on by the Empire in their home turf". Now that's not for everyone, but that's what takes this show from being "a good show I'll finish some time but I don't really feel like watching right now" to "Episode 3.5 that I'll fold into the main 6 on every rewatch". Another one. "Succession is a good tycoon family drama you will watch when you get to it" VS "Succession has unique characters whose arcs constantly bounce off each other, are affected by innocuous consequence, and instead of action or big intellectual battles, these characters place conflict on sizing each other up in real time who is the dominant and who will have to submit. This show manages to make dick-measuring a riveting scary duel that both people know they could lose at any moment." Both cases the appeal can be explained without post-pilot spoilers. Still doesn't fit on a thumbnail though which makes word-of-mouth more necessary

[@georgethompson913]

Its harder to d3scribe why something is good than why its bad.

[@absolutechaos13]

There are a dozen or so "standard" brick sizes in the US. I'm also surprised that Fringy didn't bring up the wambat, the only animal that poops cubes.

[@Saywhatnow72]

To address the argument of " you just want to watch the exact same thing as the game it's adapted and that's boring". My answer is yes that's exactly what I want. I don't have the time anymore to play through the hours and hours to enjoy my favorite games. So to have a quicker and easier way to go back and enjoy that story is exactly what I would like.

[@officerbucktuddrussel394]

The way Jim gushes over unsatisfactory endings just makes me think of r/IAm12AndThisIsDeep. Although it does line up with his love of socialism.

[@Ubermensch9240]

Jim is non-binary, their name is Stephanie, and Socialism is kinda Based. Unlike Capitalist Simps.

[@SFTaYZa]

@@Ubermensch9240 b-b-but he thinks socialism is le heckin based!!!

[@TheMaleRei]

@@Ubermensch9240 Based, you say? Is that socialism of an *international* variety?

[@Ubermensch9240]

@@TheMaleRei It's one where you don't get fucked by corporations who don't feel like paying you. It's one where working conditions are reasonable so you don't end up in a freak accident. Oh and universal health care.

[@Ubermensch9240]

@@SFTaYZa SHE.

[@Serahpin]

Get that jelly mould out of here!

[@trumbogrumbo363]

Emil CHADliarulo: "Nate IS a war criminal. His military service DID end, he just stuck around to "rake leaves" while off duty."

[@nagger8216]

"Wait guys, he isn't the one laughing, he's the one doing the execution."

[@highlordxeleth]

People defending shit writting when they absolutely know it's shit and how shit it is... it's starting to get on my nerves really. The celebration of mediocrity needs to stop, for real. Also: a show saying capitalism is horrible and praising communism while being from Amazon/Microsoft is peak f!cking irony.

[@highlordxeleth]

Didn't quite got it first but of course Jim is now a transformer.

[@romancatholicgameing]

The Fallout show is "praising communism" just as much as George Orwell's 1984 was.

[@sologamer3122]

It was simply to not make China or their political system look bad. It's no different that when Disney removes their woke crap from versions that go to the middle east or similar countries. Which is still pathetic.

[@Oetam8566]

I really enjoyed the show when I first watched it. It literally got me into Fallout. I've been playing Shelter, New Vegas, and Old World Blues (the HOI4 mod), and... the more I learn about Fallout lore, the less I like the show... the only way I can still enjoy the show is if it's considered to be in a separate reality. It doesn't make sense in established lore. And it actually scares me to think the show will ruin the lore and any future updates to OWB. Go ahead and keep making the show, but it can't be canon. It has to be separate.

[@conradpabis9032]

That's the irony. Most Fallout fans ARE fans of the franchise BECAUSE of Bethesda, but once they're in they usually realize that it's the old guard that had all the magic of the franchise.

[@jungoder1085]

@@conradpabis9032yup I grew up playing 3 then later vegas this is true Fallout 4 and later 76 made me realise Bethesda was kind ass and that vegas was the only really good one I played I did like 4 on release but stopped liking it after a play through and realising how shallow it was So i played the ogs when I was like 16 and loved them now those and vegas are the only ones I really like lol Vegas is a great comfort game now frfr

[@conradpabis9032]

@@jungoder1085 that last line somes it up

[@akumasstorytime3910]

​​@@conradpabis9032I got into fallout when 4 came out, played NV and realized 4 was a deranged serial killer wearing the face of a great man in the form of a skin mask.

[@ravenheartwraith]

I'm an old man and I'm already used to every normie liking something that 20-30 years ago would of been considered horrible. I'm not surprised most have praised this abomination of a show.

[@uneterostardust8233]

Depressing how, really, people that value objectivity will turn on it once it's Their time to like a shitty show, then it's war on objectivity. Fractal hypocrisy

[@shogunpug4071]

You put it wonderfully. And you're 100% correct. The Fallout Subreddit are talking about how great of a character Maximus is and say things like "how can anyone hate this character." " Maximus deserves some love" "Maximus has a good heart"

[@5omewhiteguy211]

1:14:00 you know in Rise Of Skywalker when they sprint out the millennium falcon and just blast the stormtroopers in the way? I want a serious and dramatic backstory for one of those stormtroopers. Like his parents were killed during the collapse of the empire and he ended up an orphan and then heard about the new rising empire, enlists and is almost immediately disillusioned by how fucked the order is, and he's struggling back and forth trying to figure out what's right and then decides he's going to leave but first he has to fuel up a tie fighter and make his escape. But oh shit some fuggin ship just flew into the hanger, and if I don't do the procedure, then that will be suspicious. Bamn. Gets blasted in the face by po or whatever.

[@RagingL00ny]

Nice to see Creetosis gaining traction and collabing

[@geoffshaw2775]

Man what an episode. I always enjoy it when Indigo Gaming comes on.

[@Devire666]

Every time they say 'Shady Sands' I hear 'shitty sands.'

[@Waffles281]

It just makes me sad there's so much potential in Fallout as an IP to tell a great story With all the fractions creatures and lore but every time it's just wasted and retconned by Bethesda😢

[@ben8parks]

Thinking continuity and internal consistency are pointless is a spectacularly terrible hill to die on when defending a show intended to be canon in an established universe. If you're gonna shill for something, at least try jeez

[@LeftCross_]

Ooooh see i thought they were saying Nerdseas, like a sea of nerds.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

I thought he was (for some reason) doing a Gollumism.

[@LeftCross_]

@@lordofthepizzapie9319 oooooh I could also see that being the case too.

[@akashajones6079]

​@@lordofthepizzapie9319That is a really funny thought! 😂 Nasty little nerdsees!

[@TheHalogen131]

@@lordofthepizzapie9319 I like that word, Gollumism.

[@KirkulesTM]

Lore tidbits (some of which implemented by Bethesda themselves) that show why sticking to the lore is a much easier problem to solve than disregarding it completely. (More to come as I think of them) There is such a thing as armor piercing ammunition in the Fallout universe, he could have just picked some up from the town he killed after the Maximus fight and that issue would be resolved (come to think of it he could have ran up and pulled out his power core while he was on the ground). Speaking of power armor, there was no need to turn it into a knockoff iron Man suit, there is already a jetpack upgrade in 4 (also you can still walk in unpowered power armor). To my knowledge gouls do have some regenerative abilities when near radiation but are otherwise pretty much human and still need food and water to survive (unless you take FO4 into account...) and I'm fairly certain almost all ghouls will go feral eventually (they could have tied that to eating and drinking and staying generally healthy but whatever). If they wanted the "dramatic tension" of nuking shady sands, they could have pulled a camp searchlight and radiation bombed it making it so only ghouls can live there for now (and people are trying to find a way to scrub it or something).

[@egomania2792]

The fact that Max was completely disabled into his power armor when his core got taken was so stupid to me. Who tf designed this? Why cant you move, and WHY THE HELL are you locked into your armor when the power source it gone? The fact you could move SLOWLY when unpowered made sense. You are moving a giant, insanely heavy suit through muscle force, where normally fusion power would help you.

[@samwallaceart288]

I'd watch a show about a Ghoul who provides his rad-resistant services to wastelanders; for a reasonable fee he goes into hot-zones to retrieve artifacts, or even get some friends together to scrub old shelters of contamination so they're safe for resettlement. He could guide travelers through bombed areas; guaranteeing them the safest route that'll get them through irradiated areas as quickly and mildly as possible. Could have a whole show just about this Ghoul everyman doing odd-jobs, talking to various strangers who wander past his ruins, looking over old souvenirs and records of what once was and wondering what it must've been like, and then when some baddie comes along on a main plotline he's in the unique position to hear every faction's POV as a useful outsider. That's WAY more Deadwood

[@anotherguyIoLoLo27]

@@samwallaceart288 I've been waiting for some kind of Fallout-anthology show for decades. Like some "Stories from the wastelands" type stuff, similar to the story you've described! There is so much untapped potential in there. But no, it's always same old "brotherhoodofsteal brotherhoodofsteal powerarmor powerarmor ENCLAVE pipboys vaults nukacola" shit with bethseda

[@kjdWHU]

It is amazing how many people watch Mauler's stuff just to complain lol

[@grimjoker5572]

It's amazing that people watching a channel built on just watching stuff to complain about it complain when people watch the channel and complain about it.

[@kjdWHU]

@@grimjoker5572 Shlurpo? Lol

[@caskinfg]

I hope you don't want this to be an echo chamber where we all just agree with each other. A safe space, one might say.

[@kjdWHU]

@caskinfg No, I like Mauler and the discourse here. I was surprised how many people who hate Mauler watch his videos and comment, lol.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@kjdWHU What makes you think they hate MauLer?

[@bordocofrivia2896]

I wish there were more schlurpo in fallout, he would have made all the bad writing, stupid plot, dumb physics and lame jokes go away.

[@alexhayden219]

The moral of the story of the Fallout tv show is this: Don't get married and have kids, then take those kids and run off to be with your lesbian lover. Your husband might nuke your house and the entire city around it.

[@akumasstorytime3910]

"your husband might nuke (through means not explained and impossible by the conditions that apply to him) your house and the city surrounding it."

[@Draanor]

I'm burnt out on superficial paint franchise movies, most modern movies are just milking the audience's interest in the franchise and not interested in telling a quality, standalone story. Everything is so referential it's boring, poor writing is just insult to injury.

[@somethingguy912]

I genuinely want to know what people get out of watching Jim Sterling, if he's constantly arguing from a position of 'Performative Apathy' as well as narcissistic contrarianism. How is one who may still be a consistent watcher of Jim Sterling supposed to take from the nature of lore adherence in regards to the Fallout TV show if he not only argues that the critics of the show 'can't think of any other way a story can be told' but also THAT 'nuking Shady Sands/NCR was the ONLY way they could've gone with it'? Added onto the fact that Jim is so candid just to admit he has no bearing on what people are taking issue with regarding the TV show, stumbling upon this like a angry blind man who thinks it's just a matter of 'diversity quota' or other meta-contextual nonsense unrelated to the criticisms at hand. At that point, how can you SINCERELY BELIEVE anything he says with 100% confidence if he not only can't be bothered to put in the due diligence to NOT create a ghost of a strawman but that HE is so willing to admit his own ignorance on the subject? Is it any surprise then that he's been bleeding viewers and subscribers with this kind of intellectual laziness, dishonesty and constant appeals to mediocrity, imcompetency all the while sucking the teat of of a corporation because of the heavy handedness of 'capitalism = bad' where pertinent?

[@weareharbinger914]

I think fallout gets way more praise for three reasons. 1: the acting is a lot better than has been typical for adaptions. 2: it looks as good, if not better than the other adaptions. 3: All the other adaptions and shows in general have been turbo garbage, so in comparison, this looks amazing, when I wouldn't even say it is as good as Hercules: The Legendary journeys from the 90s. J Sterling just doesn't like fans or franchises anymore, it seems. Well and truly has fallen. 'Minor' Canon changes include changing how ghouls work on a fundamental level. Fuck off.

[@grimjoker5572]

and this is why I cannot take anybody criticizing the show seriously. *EVERY SINGLE ONE* gets at least *ONE* basis concept that the show *BLATANTLY* spells out for you *COMPETELY* wrong. Case and point: _" 'Minor' Canon changes include changing how ghouls work on a fundamental level."_ The show in no way changes how ghouls work. Ghouls have always been more resilient than humans; especially when loaded up with chems as Cooper is in that scene. Ghouls have always had a healing factor, a weak one yet one just the same. It is this constant "healing" (or more accurately growth) that caused them to become rigid in the old games. Ghouls in the show do not need the serum unless they are going feral. The pre-war ghoul says he has only needed it for twenty years since he started showing signs. Being a pre-war ghoul; he's been alive a lot longer than twenty years. If you can't even pay attention to the show; you can't talk about the show. Thems the rules.

[@georgethompson913]

​@@grimjoker5572Wow your still simping for this show? Ghouls may have had slight regeneration but they weren't fucking deadpool. Take a chill pill before you start fantasizing about piss swirlies again.

[@billjacobs521]

@@grimjoker5572 No, ghouls were actually NOT very resilient in the original games--they can barely walk right, and their healing factor has been from radiation, which was normally near-zero unless they were near an intense source of radiation. You're just wrong here. And ghouls don't really show "signs" of going feral, from everything we've seen before. They just do. And that's besides the many, many questions the serum itself brings up.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@billjacobs521 _"they can barely walk right"_ because their bones are fusing from the mutation. _"And ghouls don't really show "signs" of going feral"_ Ironic you say I'm wrong yet fail to understand why those ghouls were going stiff and then drop this gem? Not looking good for you there bud. _"many questions the serum itself brings up."_ Such as? I mean clearly you don't understand ghouls very well so lets see what boggles your tourist mind.

[@HeyUSmith]

For some reason at 17:22 when he mentions golf club I was immediately thinking, "Andrew Ryan? A slave obeys? I thought that was pretty good though". For a happy moment I totally forgot about Abby and the Last of us 2 :')

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

3:19:38 How? By erasing the original factions and replacing them with flanderized copies of East Coast factions?

[@deeta000]

Flanderized copies of flanderized copies lol

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Just because Fallout sucks, doesn’t automatically excuse the 2023 Super Mario Bros movie of its poor quality writing either. We even already have examples of better Mario adaptations from a previous video comment section where I even pointed out that the 93 film had better written characters than the 2023 film and that the SMB 3 show was the best representation of the games. The problem with the 2023 film was not just pointless references, it was it’s poorly constructed story that was just “and then” which as pointed out by the creators of South Park that it’s not a story, and that the roles (aside from Princess Peach) were horribly miscasted where they just went with famous Hollywood actors and not those who actually fit the roles. It also suffers from cramming in too many Mario games into one movie where it gets rather disjointed. If you want a better constructed Nintendo based movie with an interesting plot that has aged far better by comparison, go watch Pokémon The First Movie. Or hell any of the original 3 1/2 Pokémon films from the late 90’s to early 2000’s (including Mewtwo Returns which is long overdue for a proper Blu-Ray release).

[@cdubsb3831]

The first Pokemon movie? Is that the one where Mew is coming in to stop Mewtwo's plans to wipe out all non-clones or the one where Mew and Mewtwo are just bragging about if the original or the copies are tougher?

[@typhvam5107]

00:37:00 - No one outside of a lunatic would ever nuke a city just because "violence", especially in a world like fallout - you need those buildings, you need those people as slaves, food, citizens, workers, you need the resources that exist there. Nuking would remove one of the most stable and developed cities, even a vault dweller would think twice about it, so much waste.

[@grimjoker5572]

Uhm... buddy... the Enclave's plan was to wipe out everybody.... in Fallout 2. Also Hank didn't nuke it just "because violence" even by Muldover's account. Nor did he nuke it because or Rose. He nuked it because it was a competition to Vault-Tec's designs. They spell it out for you in the show. He nuked it as a continuation of Vault-Tec's plan.

[@georgethompson913]

​@@grimjoker5572But the NCR is a result of vault 15, of vaultec. This whole supermanagers and destroying all competition to stop competition feels like bastardused and retarded version of the masters plan. Also doesnt the NCR have multiple cities, even if the faction collapses theyll still pers8st as a threat.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@georgethompson913 _"But the NCR is a result of vault 15, of vaultec."_ Which went against Vault-Tec policies. First in not properly implementing controlled reproduction; leading to the vault opening early. Furthermore; the NCR has come a long way in the past hundred some odd years since the people of Vault 15. _"version of the masters plan."_ This is in no way; at all; in any conceivable universe; related, even slightly, to the Master's plan. The Master's plan was to collect Prime Normals to lead his army as he converted everybody into Super Mutants under his psychic domination. Stop talking about Fallout; you don't know the subject. _"Also doesnt the NCR have multiple cities"_ We don't know the NCR has collapsed; only the area around Shady Sands is in a state of semi-lawlessness where an NCR remnant is trying to assert order.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@georgethompson913 Nannybot won't let me respond all at once. _"But the NCR is a result of vault 15, of vaultec."_ Which went against Vault-Tec policies. First in not properly implementing controlled reproduction; leading to the vault opening early. Furthermore; the NCR has come a long way in the past hundred some odd years since the people of Vault 15.

[@grimjoker5572]

@@georgethompson913 _"version of the masters plan."_ This is in no way; at all; in any conceivable universe; related, even slightly, to the Master's plan. The Master's plan was to collect Prime Normals to lead his army as he converted everybody into Super Mutants under his psychic domination. Stop talking about Fallout; you don't know the subject. It is *FAR* closer to the Enclave's plan from Fallouts 2 and 3.

[@maxemiloddmoland5476]

The idea of a Fallout set in Florida would not be much different from what it is today

[@billjacobs521]

They could do all sorts of fun with it though. Which ig it's now a series of islands? Does it have 40-foot-gator beasts that eat deathclaws for lunch? You could have pirate-raiders.