EFAP #9 - Responding to "Here Lies: Rags - Stop Hating What I Like | TRO (ft. A Special Guest)" Pt 2

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

Quinton: Strike me down, and I will become dumber than you can possibly imagine

[@fuckingloser2817]

I love democracy

[@woodwyrm]

*L M A O*

[@fredrikgranstrom6743]

HE ALREADY IS

[@amanibob1416]

"And what if I just imprison you?" Quinton: "Well, that's subjective... I mean you could... Wait, wuuut?!"

[@aethertoast4320]

So many people must have beaten him down so hard to get this dumb.

[@donotreadthis26]

2:15 "this might end up being the shortest efap" *video is 5hrs 30min* Me: "you underestimate your power"

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

5 hours 29 minutes and 38 seconds? Literally unwatchable

[@timewarpdrive77]

try 6 and a half hours...

[@Kaliospectre]

@James Schulte The Longmen will soon cannot be contained by youtube's streaming limits

[@dandansen4261]

These were simpler times

[@niks3632]

@@dandansen4261 short man times

[@franticnoobs9187]

"Me and Rags know The Last Jedi back to front" You have my deepest sympathies for everything you had to go through to be able to say that...

[@ZyrusSmith]

Me and Wolf* but yeah.

[@DS-tv2fi]

Frantic Noobs Eh. I get they didn’t enjoy TLJ. I enjoy TLJ, but I GET THAT IT IS FLAWED.

[@tecumsehcristero]

@@DS-tv2fi you're a creep then LOL

[@DS-tv2fi]

Tecumseh Cristero For enjoying a flawed movie. Have you heard of The Room?

[@cenderdragon]

D D pretty sure that was a joke dude

[@Grim2]

If having a debate is an immature thing, what exactly would be the mature thing?

[@Superschokokeks]

telling someone to shut up multiple times in a row

[@koyjosh94]

The mature thing to do is to make a 2 hour video with another KZbinr and constantly lie and strawman the person who has a different opinion than you! The answer is so obvious!

[@bigrabii9470]

Troll the comments of the response? he did it last week. Don't think he realises just how much of a bitch that makes him seem like.

[@Whereisthearmynow]

Make passive aggressive tweets, obviously

[@Eli-Green]

Punch them in the face, apparently

[@austinjohnsen4430]

The moment Quinton said that the Sequels are only interpreted as sequels was the moment I almost went WHAT out loud, I mean what does he think this trilogy was marketed as, why does he think these movies are called episodes 7 8 and 9 movies that are suppose to continue the Skywalker saga? WTF man?

[@sirdogith3783]

I'd also like to point out that he calls them the "Sequel Trilogy" The Sequel Trilogy aren't sequals... Riiiiight

[@aTalkingKoala8294]

Well, Bilbo Bagboy once said you can interpret someone elses interpretation as another interpretation.

[@aTalkingKoala8294]

@@fredrikgranstrom6743 ahh yes. The blessed pipeman might even agree with such a perceptively anodyne statement.

[@hassathunter2464]

"Why is lore even important for a movie?" OMG... You cannot be serious person. I've heard many bad defenses for TLJ, but here we're going to take the cake.

[@SomeKindaSpy]

RIGHT?! WHAT THE HELL?!

[@TheSlammurai]

"Where? Where do you take a cake?"

[@aidanaidan8662]

@@TheSlammurai the cake is subjective

[@TheSlammurai]

@@aidanaidan8662 Define cake

[@lapisgerentis6337]

@@TheSlammurai a lie.

[@cecilofchristmaspast4186]

IHE has Suicide Squad on his search for the worst. Criticizing story and its look. But Suicide Squad made money, and won an Oscar. So he has to be wrong about it, yeah? That's why I couldn't grasp his defense of Star Wars. It just felt off. Maybe his bias?

[@winkles2314]

Suicide Squad won an Oscar??!?

[@Convicted_Melon]

@L Lawliet Suicide Squad IS and objectively bad film. It's barely even a film.

[@nickdahl203]

@@winkles2314 Best Makeup and Hairstyling, 2017.

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@nickdahl203 their potrayl of Harley Quinn and Joker should have kept them from being nominated

[@TristenGRrrather]

Also Poe Dameron did nothing wrong, he's basically the closest thing Star Wars has to Commander Shepard when it comes to breaking rank to save the day.

[@bigrabii9470]

Shit that's a decent comparison. Just needs some awkward dancing and blue lover to be on point.

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

After this comment, I'd watch Episode 9 if there was a scene where Poe tells Rey "we'll bang, okay?" Or if they put in a sexy blue alien girl for him to say it to, either works.

[@scottski02]

+Death Incarnate #GivePoeaTwilekGirlfriend

[@hellishhybrid1839]

@@scottski02 After saving everyone's asses twice, he deserves a Twilek HAREM!

[@ericm3327]

Gren Poe is the most interesting character. Hands down

[@Longshanks1690]

I fucking love TRO’s “summaries” because you know what he’s really saying is: “Rags then makes this point that I actually find irrefutable, so instead of addressing or conceding anything, I’m just going to pretend it was something dumb and move on.”

[@forestelfranger]

I swear i have to wonder if Tro or what his name. Sorry i'm bad at remembering how to spell names. If they heard the same things i heard. For it sounds as if we are listening to two different things most of the time. Like the people who praise Chaves from marvel comics or Gay Iceman as great comics. Same goes for border town comic. Like did we read or see the same thing? It seems as if we saw and read two totally different comics.

[@lessalazar9068]

Bro I see you everywhere. You are always making logical arguments against TLJ lovers and it's beautiful.

[@maxpendlebury1267]

Cartoon Crash I just don’t think IHE cares about KZbin drama, not everyone has to get involved

[@magicianofd8434]

Repeat after me kids, "Killing off a boring/bland/uninteresting character doesn't fix any of the character's problems, it only compounds them. The character is now stuck as a boring/bland/uninteresting husk in every appearance, and cannot be easily expanded by the nature of being dead."

[@danielnolan8848]

Well palpatine did get the prequels to flesh out his character, granted the odds of a Snoke prequel is nonexistent

[@magicianofd8434]

True, but I'd argue that Palpatine never needed to be expanded to the same degree that Snoke does. While the prequels certainly developed Palpatine a much more interesting character, we didn't really need them to understand who Palpatine was and what role he played in the Star Wars universe. On the other hand, we know next to nothing about Snoke other than he's super stronk, he's got a messed up face, he's kind of arrogant, and his origin is a mysterious plot hook that's never elaborated upon.

[@Jdudec367]

I disagree about not needing to know anything about Palpatine...atleast give us a name...like with Snoke

[@magicianofd8434]

I'm not trying to say that Palpatine didn't need expanding man, I just think that Palpatine was a better established character in the original trilogy than Snoke was in the current one. Sure there were a lot things we didn't know about Palpatine when he died, but at least that information wasn't vital to understanding the current state of the Star Wars galaxy during that trilogy. Which is effectively the opposite for Snoke, and why I feel he's so much worse than Palpatine.

[@Jdudec367]

Magician of D better established? explain

[@RogueFox2185]

A cautionary tale for any reviewer out there is to never go full Quinton, because once you do there’s no coming back from that.

[@robinthrush9672]

Once you got Quint, you never gonna quit.

[@scottski02]

+Alexander Greene Oh my goodness, oh my gosh, I think we've gone FullMcIntosh

[@coldeed]

There is an arguement to be made from what quinton says, though quinton is not the one to make it

[@RyoLeo]

pop-POP BOOM 12 months later quinton still revealing how much more deeper the well of stupidity then we originally thought *take a glance at his latest post* welp it got deeper I think we will never find out how deep it goes.

[@-Gurza-]

Don't worry, it's a standalone occurrence - no one will know what you were before going full-Quinton.

[@IamBlackToast]

“The Force. It can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.” - Obi Wan Kenobi Yep, totally not exposition on the Mind Trick.

[@cecilofchristmaspast4186]

And he says it right after doing it. We get a Force power, and then a small explanation.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

And also the scene with Vader saying that destroying a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. And then he proves his point by choking the dude.

[@amanibob1416]

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

[@austinjohnsen4430]

Amani Bob Exactly. Also we have the scene with Obi Wan teaching Luke how to trust the Force while wearing the helmet, setting up how he’ll destroy the Death Star at the end. I can go on, there’s plenty of other examples I can list.

[@amanibob1416]

Austin Johnsen You said it!

[@SergeyBerengard]

1:18:33 Obi-Wan is telling Luke, that if he faces Vader, he will take responsibility for his own choice and therefore will do it alone. He's advising him against taking this responsibility because he's not ready and still needs to grow until he is. In other words, he's not ready for the rite of passage and doing so will be disastrous (or in gaming analogy, going to face the final boss before he gained enough XP.) But of course his role is to guide Luke and advise him, as he's a GHOST and can not make any active change, let alone shoot lightning. I thought it was kinda obvious... ;)

[@kartoar8386]

He says that he cannot interfere which is pretty clear to me that in his ghost form he cant fight vader.

[@robinthrush9672]

The most charitable interpretation in Quinton's favor is that due to Vader's Dark Side, he can't go near him as a Light Side ghost. That is the best defense he could use, not that he did.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@robinthrush9672 Doesn't really matter. Luke could pick up Yoda's little ectoplasmic ass to some new order's quarters and mak him rain down lightings. As long there is not a sith lord close, force ghosts are invulnerable nukes. Under your presumption, of course.

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

Robin Thrush but vader is right behind Luke when Obi Wan makes his little cameo. He had been blown away by Han, but he’s still in the general vicinity.

[@robinthrush9672]

Well, getting into the apologist's mindset: Kenobi didn't manifest as a ghost, it was just a voice and Vader was a few hundred yards away. That's different from assisting in melee and mid-range combat. Does that work? It's hard to defend a bad point to help a dishonest cloaca.

[@Matthew-zx8cs]

I was shocked to find that nearly everyone in my class not only agrees that TLJ was bad but can all clearly articulate why for their own reasons.

[@Whereisthearmynow]

The Last Jedi criticism surrounds us and penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together

[@bigrabii9470]

@@Whereisthearmynow It actually did. Thanks to how badly Disney dropped the ball EFAP was made and I discovered wcbs so thanks for being so incompetent Kathlene I think.

[@gustavferreira627]

@@bigrabii9470 Kathleen

[@ElectromagNick]

@@gustavferreira627 Who gives a shit on getting dome trivial detail like her name right? She doesn't care about any details in Star Wars and that's her goddamn job

[@Maltesfilm]

Sadly It’s just the opposite for me. At least they don’t like Rise of Skywalker, though for the wrong reasons.

[@tuskundertalon7256]

The clone wars= highly expendable droids versus highly expendable clones. If there were ever a time to have kamikaze tactics why not there. F, Quinton.

[@MagnusTNT]

the clones arent expendable though

[@andeslam7370]

@@MagnusTNT yeah, at least from plo koon's pov

[@matthewmason7792]

@@MagnusTNT to the Republic they were but yeah I see where you’re coming from. Droids and Clones have similarities regarding their own free will mixed in with being an army of slaves fighting for systems they were only programmed to believe.

[@TurKlack]

I am not quite sure if you actually think the Clones are supposed to be "highly expendable". Because TCW has done a terrible job in portraying the Clones as what they are: The Villains.

[@matthewmason7792]

@@TurKlack well because the clones aren’t villains. They’re victims born and bred. They’re born to kill and die for something they’ve only been spoonfed and then end up being brainwashed into murdering the people they’ve bled with by the actual villain.

[@LZeroK]

2 questions... 1.- Which is the biggest sewage system in the world? 2.- How much shit does that contain compared to the amount Quintin spewed in the video?

[@Longshanks1690]

Lirus 1. The Stickney Water Reclamation Plant. 2. Almost certainly not.

[@amanibob1416]

1: Oceans and sea currents. 2: That's subjective... Wait wut?

[@jonathangarcia5279]

@@Longshanks1690 Dude I think you're my hero. Lirus as well.

[@Avatar_Roku]

1.KK's brain 2.Unlimited

[@SergeyBerengard]

I think the problem is that people misunderstand the whole idea of ghosts' role in the story... The point is that it's a character who CAN'T INTERFERE. They can only guide, teach or give advice. Like a specific chess piece, that can move on the board in a certain way, but can't move in a different way. If you're gonna change the rules of how it can move mid-game, then how do you know if you won fair and square?

[@Longshanks1690]

Sergey Berengard You know you win by helping take down the Nazis, as Bob would say.

[@zakuhtet3775]

It's a subversion of conventional chess rules! If you've just read up on "Queer Response Theory" written by a renowned literary professor, you would totally get it! Also chess is just a game about moving around abstract wooden figures intended for children. Don't take it so seriously.

[@butthz8850]

That's a solid point:)

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

Zaku Htet 10/10

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

Zaku Htet are you assuming what those pieces are made of? What if they want to be vibranium chess pieces and feel like true Wakandans? Seems pretty racist to me...

[@S4ns]

When you hit 100k make sure to film yourself crying when you receive your silver play button, as is tradition.

[@bar-elch7809]

You mean when he gets 300k

[@SpaceCase1214]

And then maybe he will go mess around with boulders then.

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

John August maybe he will cry boulders?

[@scottski02]

Only after he turns off that pesky adblock

[@aTalkingKoala8294]

He could even add to the tradition by drinking a tall glass of rhino milk while celebrating his silver play button

[@whiskeysour1179]

Normally, I try to be very impersonal, rational, and precise with my criticisms of TLJ, along with the other Disney films. But you know what? I've now had enough. Star Wars was enormous in my life. It was the first and strongest connection I ever had to my own father. It taught me about the basics of plot, character development, conflict, and many other important parts of writing. It touched my entire worldview and, with special thanks to the prequels (they have their merits, okay?) I came to a deeper understanding of human nature, politics, and war itself. I fucking loved this series. I had dozens of books, played every game I could find, and basically devoted my years in high school to becoming a completely insufferable know-it-all about the EU. This world meant a lot to me, and I eagerly looked forward to sharing it with my kids. Now look at this fucking mess! This is what comes after VI? FUCK this shit, I HATE it. It damages so much of what I loved, and the smug fucks that wrote it are smiling as they call me and people like me basement-dwelling morons. This is why people are angry. TFA and TLJ were fucking awful, but more than that, we are told to eat the shit and say it's delicious. I can't even look at a toy lightsaber anymore without feeling bitter fury and pained longing for the past. I understand that you shouldn't give people so much power over your feelings, but the damn fact is, these movies are an atrocity and their creators and fans are wretched fucks pissing on anyone with a dissenting opinion. That is a fucking huge pill to swallow, and I just fucking won't.

[@bigrabii9470]

It's just so damn sad. They got the band back together for the only chance they'll have at it and this is what they produce? for fucks sake it's pathetic. Now Carrie is dead and gone you can't do her character justice,Hamills character was just ruined and Ford is saying "FUCK OFF NO CHANCE I'M FREE". They had one chance and they did this? it's honestly infuriating.

[@fuckingloser2817]

The force was female the whole time, what the fuck

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

Honestly I remember a time when seeing toy lightsabers in the store would bring back memories of when I was a kid and my brother or my cousins and I would fight with those things until they broke like 15 minutes later, at which point we just duct taped them and went back at it. It was great. I had mauls lightsaber as well as Qui Gons right after the first one came out and eventually got anakins from ROTS that would change from blue to red. Dad had an old vader one we didn’t really give the same treatment as it was practically sacred. I loved Star Wars and I still do. But I definitely do not love Disney or what they have done with this icon of American culture. They were given the metaphorical goose that lays golden eggs as far as movie franchises go and their clumsy handling of the lore and characters because they don’t really understand the content (they care about profit, not the intricacies of the lore) has put us in a scenario where I, who have been a fan of this series for over two decades, and my father, a fan since the originals came out, now are both apathetic to the IP. It’s really tragic and true testament to how unfeeling corporatism and soulless companies like Disney can take something beloved by all and soil it irrevocably.

[@DarranKern]

Curtis Ver Mehren I’m glad I only “liked star wars quite a bit.” I enjoyed the EU much more than the films, and a significant amount of my interest in future films was killed by the prequels. A lot of people say TFA was good and they were wrong. I disliked it, but I could find some likable things in the film, but I didn’t have strong feelings about it. I left the theater after TLJ in a seething, furious rage. I have never been so offended by a film in my entire life. I can only imagine how I would have felt if I was a total gay fanboy about SW

[@whiskeysour1179]

@@DarranKern TFA was such a strange mess, but even with its myriad problems, it still left some hope alive. I thought, "Well, it's still better than Attack of the Clones, and maybe all of these plot points and charcters can be salvaged by a really strong sequel." Then TLJ. I was fuming from the moment Poe dropped him Mom joke and gave up when Luke tossed his lightsaber. Only watched the rest to see if it could get worsr. And of course it did. After the hyperspace kamikaze bit, I gave up on Disney Wars entirely. By the time I walked out of the theater I had flipped sides so hard my eyes were yellow. I was as gay as they cum for Star Wars, but no more.

[@FriedShrimp04]

Soo, basically, Tro's ENTIRE "rebuttal" is just: Tro: "IHE SAYS" IHE: "I like progs, they're cute and doesnt affect anything" Tro: "RaG tHeN sayS" Rags: "Wouldn't it be better if Porgs did at least something to the plot?" Tro: "What Rag is saying is that he wants porgs to be the one to kill snoke. That wasn't IHE's point!! rAg doesnt know [Insert term that nobody uses in their everyday lingo], he is clearly making a strawman! >:( ! >:( ! Also, side note, i do love the comments accusing Rags of being a smug jackass, while supporting a guy calling himself "The RIGHT opinion". Glad to have MauLer and Rags beat some sense into that godforsaken video.

[@Jdudec367]

I mean it's clear tons of people disagreed with rag's

[@poppag8281]

@Mechanic viking you do relize that he calls himself that as a joke and that mauler considers tro a friend right?

[@tastyloaf5487]

I'm usually OK with TRO, but I reckon he and Quentin were way too hard on Rags.

[@FriedShrimp04]

@@poppag8281 Yeah, I know, still kinda funny. But the stream where Tro talks with Rags and MauLer is hillarious, its clear Tro disagrees with his own video.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

You realise hes named that ironically right?

[@cecilofchristmaspast4186]

"I can confidently say I'm going into episode nine going to see something I havent seen before." *cut to: Endor and Tattooine rumored to be locations in the film. Repurposed Leia scenes as her contributions.*

[@SomeKindaSpy]

the names of the planets have been changed So ItS ' DifFerRenTttttt. yeah, f*c off, disney.

[@ori.g4mi]

Here from 2020, TROS offers nothing new.

[@ethanjames5727]

Cecil of Christmas Past his review of episode 9 is hilarious looking back at his old, shitty takes

[@CruelestChris]

@@ori.g4mi What are you talking about? They fly now!

[@dianebrooks1859]

@@CruelestChris they fly now?? /S im case it wasn't obvious lol

[@ProxyDoug]

It genuinely puzzles me as to why TRO thought this video was necessary. "I will explain what happens in his video and say I disagree" Really? Doesn't sound like you're doing anything. "And Quinton is here" ...WTF?

[@Nasmr1]

Edit "I will WRONGFULLY explain"

[@ElectromagNick]

It honestly seems like Quinton convinced TRO to make the video and include him just to attack MauLer and Rags whilst creating a buffer from the inevitable backlash

[@khaorix2667]

That's TRO's entire channel, btw.

[@NaraShikamaru21]

The one simple truth of TLJ is that it has horribly damaged the reputations of several movie reviewers who defended the movie. Their reputations will never recover. Not because they like it, but they defend it as almost a flawless movie.

[@S4ns]

Quinton's idiocy is truly impressive.

[@forestelfranger]

I don't get how you can make a point about canon/lore not mattering aka a lack of being consistent. Then shoot yourself in the foot and show yeah it does matter. For the lack of being consistent leads to issues in the story. With Obi Wan saying he can't interfere. Which shows that what Yoda did interfering with the world around him by hitting people and casting down lightning. Is somehow the same as sitting. Somehow treating that the same as being able to hurt and destroy things. Does Quinton know what a power scale is? For being shown to sit on something and being unable to effect it at all for what we know. Is somehow on the same power level as being able to hurt and destroy things? Oh my. This makes dragon ball z power levels make more sense.

[@treythegamerwolf551]

He lost me when he said there no objectivity in criticism

[@FringeSpectre]

@@treythegamerwolf551 I'll never understand people like that. At a certain point, subjectivity has to give way to the objective reality if you're being intellectually honest. you can smear shit on a canvas, cover it in glitter, call it "Rejuvination" and sell it as fine art for thousands. People like Quinton are the people who will buy that

[@RH_Collective]

The concept of idiocy wishes it could be Quinton

[@jodanger37]

I don’t like quinton. He’s rough, coarse, irritating, and his retarded comments go no where.

[@honestkyn718]

The sad things is this is the closest we'll get for a Quinton vs Mauler debate.

[@nofunpolice6132]

Didn't they wan't to do one? Was it cancelled?

[@honestkyn718]

@@nofunpolice6132 I believe Quinton said he would never do it.

[@samuelcourliss8496]

Yea Quinton would never do it because he's a moron and would get DESTROYED 😂

[@jowoman7799]

Remember when they thought this might be one of the shortest streams? Lmao

[@fuckingloser2817]

Pepperidge Farms remembers

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

“It gets tiring, that’s why today we’re not gonna go for 6 hours” Well I mean, they’re not wrong you know.

[@rhemorigher]

I'm at the end of the video, how the heck do you expect me to remember that far back?

[@_terrorbilly]

I remember. Five hours ago!

[@neropunkt]

remember wenn 5h30m used to be a long efap

[@cecilofchristmaspast4186]

Nine editors and two talking heads to be completely wrong. This has to be a new record of something. And that's just my subjective opinion.

[@treythegamerwolf551]

Ok objective reason

[@spectaculeia1846]

Feels like a real waste of money to have all that editing done only to have said editing make your video into an even bigger mess, doesn't it?

[@cecilofchristmaspast4186]

@@spectaculeia1846 I think itd set a new record for the amount of people I'd be disappointed in at one time.

[@bigrabii9470]

@@cecilofchristmaspast4186 But how many people worked on TLJ?

[@ramseysteven86]

"This EFAP will only be a couple of hours long." *Goes for 5 and a half hours*

[@SideBurns]

Steven Ramsey and they didn’t cover the WHOLE video really...

[@Mr_Jumbles]

By "couple", he means a polyamorous couple

[@charlie1234500]

At least it wasn't 6 hours long. That would be too long.

[@ceilingfanenthusiast6041]

This aged well lol

[@justincider8892]

They just can't resist pausing.

[@kevinfowler4349]

Whilst I can understand how people have interpreted Rags' response to IHE's video as a response, it is actually a stand alone response and thus the ciriticism from TRO and Quinton can be ignored.

[@avisco01]

Kevin Fowler Whilst...

[@TheAdarkerglow]

For anyone who might be curious, the implications that were generated prior to The Last Jedi for Hyperspace, in as far as I understood it through the rules of the D20 Table Top published by Wizards of The Coast, some of the Extended Universe material, and the wookiepedia, was that a collision in Hyperspace with a physical object would obliterate whatever was in Hyperspace and have relatively minimal effects on the physical object, since they didn't completely exist in Hyperspace. Instead, objects with Mass, in particular objects of extreme mass such as Planets, cast 'Mass Shadows' into Hyperspace, because Hyperspace is partly removed from normal space, like existing in a separate phase of reality, and thus how faster-than-light speeds are possible. This was why it couldn't be used for ramming, due to the object in Hyperspace being a fraction of its original mass in normal space and generating almost no impact. It made enough sense as to why they weren't weaponized and would explain why a ship could go through certain barriers in Hyperspace, even why time dilation doesn't seem to be impacting anyone. Some of the background music was the baseline beat for the song C.R.E.A.M. by Wu-Tang Clan. Which is weird. Why is that there?

[@aceambling7685]

cuz rap beats are 'trendy' , which annoys me because as much as I'm a hip hop head appropriate use is important.

[@johnathonjohnston1598]

I play that system and know that other Star Wars materials support that, so when I saw the holdo bull shit it was the breaking point for me in regards to not liking or having hope for the sequel trilogy

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Ladybug: "Notice me, MauLer Senpai!" MauLer: "There's a Ladybug in my Room. It is really pretty but kinda annoying." Ladybug: "Senpai....noticed me?"

[@MistbornTaylor]

Quinton: rags says that TLJ has no objective value Also Quinton: rags says the Holdo scene was visually stunning

[@TheForswornKing]

It is very sad to me that most of the stuff mention in the TRO and Quinton video are just not arguments. It is sad that most of the things in the comments of the video are just not arguments. It is almost like people like ad hom but not making rebuttal arguments to the arguments that Rags and MauLer have made. People can't expect us to take them serious when they aren't making an argument. You can boil all of their comments down to "Stop being mean and telling me that this movie isn't good" which in that case prove to me that my arguments are wrong.

[@forestelfranger]

Yeah given it seems like a very one sided fight. As if putting up a puppy dog against a vampire during the middle of the night. When it could of been a interesting talk of what is good feedback or legit issues you can take with a film. Rather it's like ok one side wants better writing and the other side i don't even know what they want, besides they seem to like this movie. It's like ok you can like the movie. I have never seen anyone go you can't enjoy this movie. Just that they believe the movie is written poorly and here is stuff from the movie used to back up their points.

[@Longshanks1690]

The Forsworn King I would take this as seriously as Alex Jones if TLJ apologists were not still using this video as the ultimate slamdunk for “our side.” I honestly question the intelligence of people who think this is a genuine or serious rebuttal that actually can be considered to have defeated Rags’ points when they so often just make them up or barely respond at all. If this is the apotheosis of the subjectivists’ arguments, then that is truly pathetic.

[@bigrabii9470]

@@Longshanks1690 I think MauLers usual response of "is that the best you've got?" sums it up. Most of the videos on Efap are like parody to me. And they always make me wonder with the blatant strawmaning or lies they know they're doing that right? and if they do how do they justify it? is it purely for the monetary benefit? I refuse to believe Quinton believes half the shit that comes out his mouth.

[@ergoth154]

The Forsworn King NPC's don't make arguments, they just spout off programming.

[@tobytombs8815]

At roughly one hour, ten minutes and 25 seconds into Rags' original video it has the line about 'notice the lack of force powers in that fight' and he is clearly talking about the throneroom scene as everyone suspected, not the fight between Luke and Kylo. So Quinton or whatever his name is is a massive liar and TRO's video is pure trash. Not your regularly run of the mill trash, but the purest of trash.

[@Jdudec367]

how?Maybe there is a reason Rags's video got as many dislikes as it did

[@tobytombs8815]

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[@Jdudec367]

I mean how is he a liar?or how is TRO's video crap?if they did mess up...clearly they all did...cause maybe you didn't see how many dislikes Rag's original video got...but it's almost as much as how many likes it got

[@tobytombs8815]

So because someone disliked a video it means it's wrong? Did you watch this podcast? Quinton said that 'Rags claimed it was a contradiction that there were no force powers used in the fight between Luke and Kylo'. He then proceeds to show a clip of Rags saying 'Notice how there were no force powers in that fight', but if you go on Rags' video it is clear he is not talking about the Kylo and Luke fight. Therefore Quinton is a liar and TRO's video is crap because he greenlighted having Quinton lying about him in it.

[@Jdudec367]

Toby Tombs didn't watch the podcast...but I didn't say he was wrong...im just saying there has to be a reason why the video got so many dislikes...I don't know if Quinton is lying or if it could have simply been a mistake?ever thought of that? you would be surprised by what kind of mistakes people can make on youtube

[@MicrosoftNestleTea]

Alec Guinnes walking through grass is an argument for Force Ghosts interacting with the world as Starbucks being in a scene of Game of Thrones is an argument for Starbucks being in Westeros.

[@quietone2674]

"If you watch the movies chronologically half the force powers stop existing after Rogue One" Because all the Jedi are DEAD! There's a stagnation in knowledge! The only people left knowing the old ways are so ancient that some of them can barely move. And Vader doesn't have to go around throwing people like ragdolls because just choking them is intimidating enough when you're the only one in the room that can do that.

[@DiZtheJedi]

Talking to Quinton about knowledge stagnation is absolutely hilarious, well done.

[@rossholt9352]

Alex's critism of the prequels is utterly rediculous. 'the use of the force in the prequels is cartoonish because its used casually in combat' This is stupid for many reasons 1.the original trilogy established that the Jedi fuaght in the clone wars and are even called Jedi *knights*, given they are established to be warriors and are established to have magical powers its logical to assume that they would use these powers in combat. 2. Darth vader continously uses the force in combat when he throws shit at Luke in esb and throws his saber in rotj 3.he says the use of force in combat goes against what Yoda said the esb, when the prequels take place before when yoda said that in a time where yoda is regularly shown not to be happy with what the Jedi are becomimg. 4. Its narrow minded because while yes, the Jedi are using the force aggressivly in the prequels, when you look at the reasons got it, it's to end a fucking war and bring peace to the galaxy. Its for the greater fucking good.

[@electricbayonet2]

4:00 I...I actually think you were giving that commenter too much credit, Rags. He said:"Rags is so smug that I want to slug him in the arm, but then he'd take my threat of violence seriously, say "so you responded to my opinion with violence?", and then try to dissect it for 10 minutes with strawman arguments." From the sound of it, the guy isn't saying that you'd react to his _threat_ of violence by overanalyzing it. In his hypothetical scenario, he's actually punching you...and yet he still seems to think that he'd have the moral high ground because you would "strawman" his act of unprovoked and very real physical violence by... ...actually, I have no idea. But what seems pretty clear is that he isn't saying 'I'd threaten to punch you if I didn't know that you'd turn it into a talking point.' He's just flat out saying that he wants to punch you, and that if he did and you (justifiably) called him out for responding to a verbal opinion with physical violence, it would somehow speak poorly of you. Geez. No wonder this video goes on for five and a half hours when y'all thought it was going to be the shortest one yet. EFAP indeed.

[@onewanderingbee]

Imagine for a second, that you are the type of person that believes when cause and effect is not followed in storytelling, and someone else points it out, that it's only their opinion. No, mate. If there's not a logical cause and effect then it breaks the fuckin' story, that's like the ONE rule of storytelling you really need to follow. The why. The context. If there's no context, or if actions are taken within some context that do not make ANY sense, even when considering things like fear, anger, survival instinct, etc, then the movie is flawed at a fundamental level.

[@2chrisby]

The Thrawn trilogy is the true sequels. If you have not read them read it. Or the audible version is AMAZING!!

[@scottski02]

YOU WILL KILL LUKE SKYWALKER

[@scottski02]

@Jacob Forster the alien titty milking scene, the hyperspace ram scene, and the Rose crashing into Finn scene would all beg to differ

[@SolarDragon007]

@Jacob Forster Because one silly thing takes away from everything else great about the Thrawn Trilogy.

[@SolarDragon007]

@L Lawliet I think it is a little dumb that Luke's clone is called "Luuke". Also the fact that the what the Thrawn books told us about the Clone Wars ended up being reconnected because of the Prequels

[@ElectromagNick]

@@SolarDragon007 Not exactly Zahn's fault. Remember the Thrawn trilogy was made with George Lucas's blessings and even incorporated quite a bit of worldbuilding and background that Lucas told Zahn. He just either changed his mind or didn't bother double checking while writing the prequels, just one of their many flaws. (I still love the prequel trilogy, though.) George Lucas is the king of Retcons on a Whim, as evident by the myriad CGI editted rereleases of the OT.

[@capyblanka3828]

The scene Quinton uses from Rags about the lack of Force powers at 1:41:30 ish he's ascribing to the Luke and Kylo fight, but Rags is responding to the Throne room battle with Kylo and Rey...

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Catching up on all the streams.... I now see why Quinton is EFAP's primary villain.

[@TheGodOfGravy]

Attacking the prequels doesn’t justify the bad writing of the sequels. If the argument is “well the prequels already fucked up the lore” then why care about Star Wars at all? Why not just write anything, literally anything, regardless of if it makes sense, is good or is even in the same genre, slap the logo on it and call it a day? It’s not like JJ hasn’t done that before. The marketing experiment that was 10 Cloverfield Lane worked perfectly and it’s what they’ve done with Star Wars in terms of its production. The writers of the new films job shouldn’t be to add to the shit stains, they need to try and fix existing problems whilst they’re making their new story not make all new ones.

[@denkerbosu3551]

*interpreted as sequels* Stop. Just don't.

[@bigrabii9470]

@@denkerbosu3551 It makes you think so much less of TRO. Which is sad I don't know TRO but how did he possibly approve that shite? he must not even bother looking at his work and that's just not good enough.

[@fuckingloser2817]

I love democracy

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@bigrabii9470 I think TRO does what rags does, watches the video, and records his responses. Then he hands it over to edit, and took their word about Quentin not being retarded. This is the best scenario, whwre he is just naive and incompetent. To be clear, I am not familiar with his work. And will never be.

[@bigrabii9470]

@@denkerbosu3551 Yeah that's the thing. I'm stuck questioning is TRO a complete twat or just very stupid. Neither is good. I'm leaning towards twat as I just find it hard to believe a youtuber with some experience would just take someones clips and not even check them first. I mean if he does that thars arguably worse than being a dickhead since he must just not care about the quality of his work. Shame really when MauLer started out saying "i like TRO though he's been hit and miss" back on the last EFAP I thought I might watch him but doubtful after this.

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

Denker Bosu Quinton has no leg to stand on as a critic after that comment

[@CyberBolt21]

Sadly I WAS one of those people believe what TRO and Quinton were saying. I don't know what I was smoking thinking that this video was good when it first came out. I then watched Mooler TLJ and Dark souls 2 video series and then EFAP. I am now converted by the EFAP gods...

[@carloskaven8]

"Mauler is a skull on wheels no longer, he has evolved as a trippling critic" Wheels theory through maul lense

[@Daddy_Nooo]

Talking about the hyper drive kamakazi maneuver, in The Force Awakens, they couldn't do that because the Millennium Falcon has to come OUT of hyper drive before they hit Star Killer Base or they would have died and failed their mission to destroy said base. It was impossible until Ryan Johnson decided this worked for...reasons.

[@bigrabii9470]

But who CaReS aBoUt Da LoRe?

[@dodojesus4529]

Rouge one, Vaders destroyer drops out of hyperspace and crushes several rebel vessels trying to escape. Wow apparently vader was suicidal even befire ep 4

[@Tacoableful]

"Why is he fighting the jelly-man again?" - MauLer 2018

[@respectedsalmon9390]

I personally prefer "The Cartoon of a Man" from the Hbomber response.

[@PoweredByFlow]

About the part where you guys discuss if JJ had a plan for this trilogy or not; Daisy wasn't the only one who said that there was a plan for these characters. I remember that there was an interview with Simon Pegg, who co-wrote the story with JJ, said that Rey was actually planned to have a great heritage and that her parents were someone really important. So that just double confirms that there was a story or atleast character arks planned for the sequels.

[@MaddEndd]

Alot of strawbearding by Quinton, if he could atleast build some proper strawbeards. But I give him this, these were some of the most retarded arguments in defence of The Last Jedi that I heard so far. Btw the Holdo maneuvre just doesn't work for so many reasons that it is almost worth its own video, but beating a dead horse becomes exhausting over time.

[@fuckingloser2817]

I mean didn't he say in his defense video that if you take the characters, plot, and other pesky aspects like that, then TLJ is really good?

[@bigrabii9470]

@@fuckingloser2817 Yes. "If you take away thoughts about the characters,lore and writing then it's good,that's just fan stuff anyway" to paraphrase that big bearded jobby. He's a treasure trove of retarded statements. I think my favourite is you can interpret ep8 as a sequel.

[@newfate26]

"Strawbearding" 😆 😆 😆

[@MaddEndd]

If you ignore character, plot and the acting performance, watching someone making coffee is really good aswell.

[@HunterMearo]

@@MaddEndd exactly, all you have to do it turn your brain off and become a vegetable.

[@ATG_reviews]

What? You are not skull on wheels

[@mariokarter13]

It parked in one of those lots with the poles that come out of the ground.

[@fuckingloser2817]

1:15

[@forestelfranger]

He is just using a more advance robotic body to move his skull head around.

[@diegokaqui60]

it was a skull with a gas mask......am i the only one isnt blind

[@fuckingloser2817]

@@diegokaqui60 I'm sure you're not, but at this point people are just following with the joke.

[@Wittle_Boyo]

Quinton really shocks me. The only other video I watched from him was his Fallen Giants video on Channel Awesome and Doug Walker, which I felt was a pretty good video detailing what happened with CA. Having watched EFAP and TDW podcast, I see Quinton for what he truly is. Such a shame. Guess it’s a good thing I never subbed him.

[@scottski02]

The sheer number and magnitude of insane excuses and fan theories about why the hyperspace ram isn't a completely ass backwards concept for SW is honestly astounding. If the maneuver truly didn't contradict previous lore, it would be clear as day. It would NOT require such ridiculous post-hoc explanations from fans.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

It really shows you're doing something wrong when your fans treat debate, counter criticism, or just pain old defending yourself like poison. And that's especially true for channels like IHE and TRO whose whole point is criticising and defending. Your audience is constantly tugging the rope and those two have let them pull it over the mountain.

[@DaGhostToastRoast]

I swear when Quinton started talking about how the sequel trilogy is stand alone and shouldn’t “pander” to the original trilogy I just about put my head through the wall!!! I just can’t believe the amount of stupidity that went into that statement!!!

[@DivergentZen]

For the love of all that is holy, there is no plan for DJ to overhear because POE, speaking to FINN, does not know Holdo's plan to use stealth transports to escape to the planet at that point in the movie. All Poe knows is that they are fueling the transports. He does not know the STEALTH aspect. So, DJ cannot tell the FO to run a "stealth scan." DJ knows what Poe knows. Holdo is fueling the transports. The transports will be shot down. That's why Poe mutinies. Poe, Finn, DJ, and Rose are all UNAWARE of the stealth technology on the transports that "could work," according to Poe later in the movie when he finds out Holdo's plan. Holdo's plan = use STEALTH transports. Holdo's plan use transports. All of this assumes this stealth tech is something new enough that Poe, a high level resistance member and pilot, and Rose, a genius engineer able to surmise the FO hyperspace tracking tech out of the blue, do not know the capability exists. And then assumes DJ is somehow able to just guess that this new stealth capability exists and that the FO also has the technology to be able to scan for it. Or, DJ just lied to the FO about the stealth tech and got lucky?

[@SolarDragon007]

FUCKING THANK YOU. If cloaking technology is so common/standard that some random hacker is able to deduce that they're using it, it's extremely contrived that Poe of all people didn't consider this. Moreover, why didn't he himself suggest this option? Wouldn't it have been a way better bet than attempting to sneak aboard the enemy capital ship? This whole plot point is still completely fucked either way.

[@TristenGRrrather]

just in time for my birfday, thanks mr skullwheels.

[@bigrabii9470]

Happy birthday. Can me get cake?

[@dinkleberg684]

Merry Christmas

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

Legend says Mauler and Rags are still looking for that car in Lord of the Rings

[@yhlee1205]

Quinton is the type of person to lose in a 1 person debate.

[@ikoandreas5085]

Underrated comment

[@-Gurza-]

He literally made a separate cut at 4:17:16 just to say, "OK... First of all..." If you're that ill-prepared on a prerecorded argument, you'd be dead in the water in an actual debate. Sorry, I meant to say "standalone" cut.

[@teroknor1377]

Don't forget that they broke the Hyperspace rules to resolve episode VII. The fact that they can somehow come out of Hyperspace before they hit the planet buy still be in it to get past the shield is incredibly stupid and breaks the rules. If Hyperspace works in space above a planet, why not use it to break through the blockade around Naboo? Or Hoth? They also do this same thing leaving Jeddah in Rogue One. They can't come up with clever solutions, they use Hyperspace to cheat their way out of corners.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Seriously though every planet would need some sort of force shield such as in rogue one. Otherwise you would think there would be incidents all the time of people hyper spacing craters into planets.

[@Ike_of_pyke]

1:53:55 Wrong Quinton Leia first uses the force to find Luke at the end of empire, it's only clarified in episode 6

[@DarranKern]

Ike of Pyke Kinda. She doesn’t really “use the force,” she is sensitive enough to hear Luke, who is calling out to her specifically for help. He literally calls her name.

[@AlphaRW]

it should be called "Here Lies : Rag - Stop Hating What I Like | TWO (ft. A Mentally Special Guest)

[@souvikmitra6161]

Lol Mentally Special Guest!

[@CADPgamer]

The Wrong Opinion and Quincuck Reviews.

[@burningphoenix6679]

CADPgamer I can always expect the best comments from you CAD

[@TrajGreekFire]

NPCs

[@sweetness8674]

The new high of low-hanging fruit.

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

CADPgamer oof that's a good one. LMFAO.

[@scottski02]

That profile pic goes very well with this comment

[@EvilBobarino]

i just realised im subbed to mooler but not mauler

[@denkerbosu3551]

There is always the chance that KZbin auto unsubbed you know? Maybe Mauler is already in the list.

[@EvilBobarino]

it was just me being dumb

[@DarranKern]

Omg how lol

[@dimitriwarchief301]

How do you know, youtube probably did unsubbed you... sorry just i think it’s possible

[@neropunkt]

u a gay?

[@wheeliebin18]

Lost it at "standalone sequels".

[@scaris9361]

I don't know how you guys have the patience you do to even acknowledge TRO's video. I couldn't do it if I were in your place. My response would have been "When you actually have something of substance to say on your own behalf we can talk, otherwise IHE is a grown individual and can respond to me for themselves if they disagree with something I have said". I would really like to know if IHE was given the opportunity to review TRO's responses before they were posted. He seems to have become IHE's spokesman with full authority to represent IHE with this very manipulative method he is using for his response videos. TRO needs to start speaking for himself and not speaking on behalf of both IHE and Rags. Rather than listening to a statement in the video and giving his opinion or justification on it like Rags, or speaking for himself like IHE did in his video, he is continually re-stating what Rags says with his own twist and speaking on IHE's behalf (or making extremely optimistic assumptions on IHE's meaning). It's blatantly apparent that this has gotten WAY to personal for TRO and he should have removed himself from it until he can at least look at all of this with SOME level of objectivity and perspective instead of the very slimy tactics he is using at the moment. And it's a real shame, TRO seems like a smart individual, he just has lost that and is spiraling down this rabbit hole that he is probably going to look back at later and regret. As a person not involved in this in any way and enjoying content from IHE, TRO, Rags, and Mauler (Sorry Quinton, you really do just suck and should get off KZbin or find something you can actually speak about intelligently) it is ridiculously apparent to me how off the rails TRO has gotten over this. There are so many reasonable arguments and points TRO and Quentin could have made that would have been SO much better. For example (you can have this one for free Quinton); instead of going into CGI, they could have focused on the fact that The Last Jedi was cinematically beautiful. All the visuals were done excellently, including as part of it the CGI. The camera work was great, color had a strong THEME, etc. Rian obviously has a great eye for that, he just should not be allowed to write anything, EVER. Rags made many good POINTS in his response to IHE that had a lot more substance than IHE's generalizations. TRO at this point is really just down to bickering and "nitpicking" while misrepresenting Rags (and probably IHE). TRO has nothing in this debate and has added absolutely nothing to it and needs to step out of it and accept that he has made this very personal.

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

TRO: Scaris goes on to say *clip* “Rags made many good POINTS in his response to IHE” *clip* which is a very peculiar theory. Given the ubiquitous variation of serendipity that is displayed, I would have to disagree. Quintin: What Scaris is saying here is that these are *finger quotes* “good points”, but if you watch IHE’s video you can see other points, so I can’t say these are good per se. (Sorry, I’ve been wanting to copy this argument style of TRO’s shitty video for a while and this comment was so well written that I put it here)

[@ergoth154]

Quinton is an NPC.

[@fk_one_7789]

What the hell is a NPC? I'm from germany and not a meme expert

[@goalie1703]

They are the video game version of backgrounds characters

[@nofunpolice6132]

It's a buzzword used by NPC to call other people NPC. Basically it's the meme with the two spidermanns pointing at each other. Though maybe explaining a meme with another meme is a futile effort.

[@Eli-Chanpu]

@NoFunPolice By your own logic doesn't that make you one yourself? And doesn't that make ME one for calling you one? And doesn't that make anyone who calls ME one, one?! It's NPCs all the way down!

[@nofunpolice6132]

Now you see the truth.

[@Y.Moroboshi]

1:29:00 Rags is right that force ghosts were basically like a ghost in other forms of fiction: present, able to try to give advice, but not able to physically make things happen. Only one piece of Star Wars media countered this, and it was the alternate universe chapter in the Force Unleashed (where Starkiller became Lord Starkiller and fights Obi-wan Kenobi in Mos Eisley twice, once alive and a second time as a force ghost). Personally, I wrote that off as pure spectacle for the sake of having a challenging boss fight. That and the Force Unleashed is the last thing that anyone should look to when thinking of what one can do with the force (in case anyone thought that pulling a Star Destroyer down from orbit with the force is something that should be taken seriously).

[@Scottthebassplayer98]

At one point, aside from the alternate storylines (in the DLC), It was all canon though, right?

[@dimitriwarchief301]

Yup it was cannon, it still is if you go only by legends

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@dimitriwarchief301 I do. And God bless that we have Legends. Also, Starkiller is awesome and doing the Star Destroyer thing is totally reasonable. I mean, Luke moved a BBLACK HOLE

[@Grim2]

BTW, apart from Leia surviving vacuum of space - she also manages to survive cosmic ray radiation.

[@RogueFox2185]

Grim2 I think her exposure to the vacuum of space is what killed her in EP9, I’m sure that was the reason. I don’t remember which video claimed this but it is a reasonable possibility for her absence.

[@cecilofchristmaspast4186]

I find it funny everyone died with the explosion and sucking but Leia was fine despite there being no evidence, in fact there being evidence FOR the Jedi not being physically.more durable than regular people (Ep. 2 a Jedi gets killed by jango's little pistol, and the clones killing them off in general). But I guess Leia just had her wahmen armour on luckily.

[@SolarDragon007]

@@cecilofchristmaspast4186 I think we're supposed to buy that she was standing just far away enough not to get hit by the fire or shrapnel of the explosion. As Mr. Plinkett would put it, "How convenient".

[@realshompa]

Leia can fly in space because of the force. Luke is force projecting so hard that he dies. Rian logic.

[@samueltesta1558]

When it comes to ghost depictions in media the rules seem to be that the ghost can interact with the environment but just can’t change the environment in any way. By Quinton’s logic, any film with ghosts that depicts the ghosts walking around with their feet touching the ground breaks the rules. Well walking around as a ghost doesn’t change the environment in any way, but if they were to try to kick a rock that’s in front of them, they wouldn’t be able to do that cause that would change the environment itself. You can sit in a chair as a ghost but you can’t pull a chair out to sit in it. You can sit on a long but you can’t flick a bug off of that log. You can talk but no one can hear you as you can’t produce any sound waves since that would change the air around you.

[@FeHearts]

1:44:00 All those force powers he showed in the Rogue One clip existed in Episode 5 The Empire Strikes Back. Vader blocks blaster bolts from Han and pulls the blaster out of Hans hand, and he uses the force to pick up items to throw at Luke.

[@0SilentShot0]

I wonder if IHE or TRO will ever acknowledge these streams? From what I've seen they seem to have no intention to.

[@Stickguy101]

I watched the right opinion video on Rags video of the last Jedi against IHE were he says he knows and works with IHE, he stated in his video "he has no intention of responding to Rags video". But to be honest they should do a stream watching the right opinions video it would give incite to how IHE "saw" everything from his point of view and he does that same thing of looking at every sentence Rags make and does an argument against it. Edit: never watched the full stream when I made this I literally made this comment right before going to bed

[@takaro0]

TheSloth: TRO, maybe, as he and Mauler are friends. If I remember correctly Mauler said in the 1st pt that he told TRO that they were going to make a response to his video. I really want to hear the 3 of them talk about this. IHE on the other hand, not likely and even if he did, he'd probably just ignore it as he has no intention of debating Mauler again. After getting completely destroyed in the debate with Mauler and Wolf and admitting that they're right, only for him to revert back a short time after and even saying that he hasn't heard a single good argument yet after watching a new video about it, now I think he'll do whatever it takes to protect his thoughts about TLJ being a well made film: By ignoring arguments, dismising them, keeping to ''Muh opinion''! etc.

[@Longshanks1690]

TheSloth Quinton was lurking in the comments last time and “responding” to some people. Not sure if that counts as an acknowledgement or not.

[@RogueFox2185]

King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England D What did he say? I didn’t notice him being there before so I’m curious.

[@theomegapotato370]

@@RogueFox2185 He just responded to a few comments

[@Ike_of_pyke]

To me a nitpick is: someone in the background in one shot is NOT wearing a jacket and in a "shot reverse shot "(character 1 talking to character 2 with character 2 off screen ,then we see Character 2 with 1 off screen) sequence exchange we see them wearing the jacket and it's only been 2 seconds. Someone pointing out that is a nitpick Pointing out that's there's no way 2 characters should be able to communicate in the scene as we see it and there's no established way they could be talking, that's not a nit pick to me

[@spartansquid5931]

A good example of a nitpick I like to use for the idiots is, "Kylo Ren's cape wasn't shown in his reflection during the death star fight in EP 9." THAT'S a real nitpick.

[@1tmildew]

Dang that Quentin dude looks *exactly* like the white knight meme. Where's his fedora tho

[@LordHookie]

he ate it

[@johnathonjohnston1598]

Thiccsins Lastname It only made him stronger, by evolving him as a critic

[@trautsj]

youtube deserves a better class of critics, im glad people like rags and mauler are trying to give it to us... even tho people like this try to defame and purposefully misrepresent them every fucking step of the way with their idiocy ...

[@michaelmegson2778]

Daisy Ridley and Simon Pegg both came out and said JJ had plans but Rian ignored them.

[@TaoScribble]

The sequels...aren't sequels... This isn't Final Fantasy, Quinton! Being a sequel actually means something here! Jesus Christ! XD

[@666lupine666]

I tend to agree with people like mauler who are interested in fair and logical debate. I tend to strongly disagree with these corporate defenders in hipster clothing because their goal is to spread, and profit from UNFAIR debate tactics. If they succeed in this, free online discourse will devolve into the sort of fake debate we see on MSM.

[@DivergentZen]

The first force power Luke learns is to "trust his feelings," e.g., use force prescience to hit things. He trains against the little flying droid with the blast shield on his helmet down and he uses the power to blow up the Death Star without relying on his computer, which is incapable of making the shot as shown before Luke's run. This same power is used by every Jedi/Sith in every battle always to block light sabers and blaster bolts. Even young Anakin uses it to be the only human capable of pod racing in TPM. Presumably, Ben and Vader used this even in their (stage fighting) duel in Episode IV.

[@CruelestChris]

The computer isn't incapable of making the shot, the previous pilot just fired too late.

[@alexunderbluesky]

Quinton is a great straw man reviewer

[@pahe4811]

This EFAP is a masterpiece of entertainment. I want to thank you guys for the great work you are doing and how you are making me happy when I had a bad day! Safe to say that I'm a big fan and regularly play the game "Empires of the Undergrowth" to hear MauLer as the narrator.

[@koyjosh94]

2:41 rags "we'll go for a couple of hours" Me *sees 5 hour video*

[@Xanthosking]

These boys just don't know when to stop EFAPing

[@zakuhtet3775]

It's time to stop living in my mother's basement and start looking for a job! *new EFAP got uploaded* Not today, job...

[@Longshanks1690]

Zaku Htet Don’t life to me. A REAL basement dweller would have caught it live!

[@seagullsays5831]

"And when everybody is nobody, nobody is." -Quinton, probably

[@EziooAuditore]

I guess a good way to say your point about your CGI is "Money is necessary for great CGI, but not sufficient".

[@spooplegeist5260]

All good CGI is expensive, but not all expensive CGI is good.

[@lolfunacount]

Shoutout to THE ROBOT. Also, still waiting for the rhino milk taste test.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

It boils my blood when someone equates mental force powers, which are believable when used intuitively, with physical force powers, which break the laws of physics and require you to unmoore yourself from basically everything you've learned about the world. Also, that moment when they both call Mark "Luke". That's the magic of Star Wars.

[@forestelfranger]

You know the thing about toxic is everyone uses that word but can rarely if ever state what it means. Which is what i will give credit to star wars only for stating what he means when using the word. Even with it being so wide you can be the biggest fanboy ever and still be toxic for disliking even the most minor of things in something. It's like toxic? What does that even mean anymore. Last i checked someone debating doesn't mean they are a poisonous disease that will create the next black plague.

[@bigrabii9470]

It's just another overused word that's lost any meaning. When you call everyone x it starts to mean nothing. And Quintons "debate style" is arguably worse than the black plague. At least the plague actually kills you,Quinton just leaves you with less and less brain cells until you're an empty mindless husk clapping at the next vapid mess Disney shits out.

[@CruelestChris]

Toxic doesn't really mean much anyway, it's basically "dangerous in a really vague way."

[@robinthrush9672]

That and "problematic" make me wince now. I may have PTSD!

[@bigrabii9470]

@@robinthrush9672 problematic actually worries me. It's like 3 steps back from wrongthink.

[@EkkieEkk]

I mean, this all started because Rags got mad that IHE liked the movie. That's pretty toxic.

[@reimannsum9077]

I really don't understand the confusion regarding Obi-Wan's assertion that he cannot assist Luke in his battle against Vader. It's not condemnation or a refusal due to a belief that Luke has made an incorrect choice; Obi-Wan literally and simply cannot help in the battle. The abilities of a force ghost seemed obvious in the original trilogy: they could appear, with difficulty, as Obi-Wan took years to manifest visibly to Luke on Hoth, and forge tenuous mental connections to offer advice, as in the Death Star trench run. All Obi-Wan is saying is that he cannot fight Vader alongside Luke. He lacks the power to physically affect the world. It made perfect sense until The Last Jedi. Now lore is in a shambles, and we need to invent unintuitive post-hoc explanations for his apparent unwillingness, rather than original obvious inability, to affect the material world physically or manipulate the force in combat. Thanks, Rian.

[@jman2856]

There’s also the fact that thanks to Poppins Leia, MaRey Sue and the broom kid, Luke actually could have easily won the fight with Vader in Empire because..reasons. Now in Empire, it’s not about training or choice, it’s all about waiting for Deus Ex Force to swoop in and save you when it feels like it.

[@spooplegeist5260]

I always got that it was a mix of the two. Obi-Wan doesn’t think it’s a good idea for Luke to go face Vader before finishing training with Yoda, but Obi-Wan knows he can’t stop Luke and that Luke’s heart is in the right place - much like Obi-Wan alludes to being when he was under Yoda’s tutelage. He also is letting Luke know that it’s the first time he’s going into a battle this challenging, and he won’t have Obi-Wan or Yoda to fall back on to save him, because they don’t have the capabilities. The Trench Run was one thing, where advice from Obi-Wan could help, but there’s not much he can do in an actual confrontation. Obi-Wan totally would’ve Lightning Bolted Vader to save Luke if he could.

[@HawkFire74]

another 6 hours of asmr, here we go again bois

[@Screamin_Demon]

Mauler: "This may be the shortest EFAP" Me: Looks at length.... "OVER 5 HOURS?!"

[@CruelestChris]

I love how sitting on the log is supposed to prove that ghosts are physical, but it's ok for them to not fall through the ground. Like, it's a vision, it can assume whatever shape it likes. Given it's supposed to be Luke's vision and Luke knows Obi-Wan as an old man, it actually makes perfect sense for it to sit down even though it has no physical need to.

[@sithsaiyan4529]

Leia surviving in space is obviously her Pokémon hidden ability.

[@MrGrenful]

EFAPs always make a good week even better. Thank you for this, lads!

[@MistbornTaylor]

Didn’t see the skull on wheels so I missed the stream :/

[@mrguardwill45]

THE GOD THE MAN *THE MOOOHLAAAH!*

[@MistbornTaylor]

Just got to the part where Quinton took Rag’s clip about the throne room battle for Luke and Kylo’s and holy shit that is fucked up.

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

Why on earth are there not droid controlled hyperspace torpedoes. Oh wait, there are. In legends. Where it’s explained how it’s so expensive to make them, and a weapon to fire them, that they’re literally more costly than the second Death Star. At least I think that’s how the Galaxy Gun worked?

[@josebuenrostro1430]

So big fan of both of you, as a fan of Star Wars and especially the EU want to add my two cents. In the EU force ghosts can materialize and use force abilities however, there are rules. Usually only dark side apparitions are shown able to physically manifest and effect the physical world. This is explained by them unwilling to let go an merge with the force as a whole so they haunt areas usually ones that had meaning to them such as their tombs. Also usually there needs to be a nexus of either light side or darkside energy for them to manifest. Their tombs are usually a nexus do to their own residual darkside energy and that of the other sith who are either buried there or died there trying to explore said tombs. With Jedi it more complicated, because jedi do let go and become one with the force they tend to find it harder to manifest. In the book Truce at Bakura which takes place the day after the party at the end of Return of the Jedi, obi-wan comes to Luke and says this will probably the last time I see you since it's getting harder to stay here, later Anikan appears to Leia to ask for her forgiveness, she rejects him and he says I won't be able to materialize again but know I will be watching from beyond. Jedi can usually only materialize shortly after death or around nexuses of force energy. The first Jedi temple would be a force nexus so it makes sense for yoda to appear there however, I agree the summoning lighting is a problem only sith usually affect the physical world after death, Jedi usually just appear to give sage advice.

[@noeren4695]

What is that Star Wars you are talking about? Is it a sequel to a Spaceballs?

[@neropunkt]

its a historical event. in the 1970's there was a big war and it was mainly fought out by tv and movie stars, and that's pretty much it. look it up, its interesting. lot of people died

[@spooplegeist5260]

No, it’s just interpreted as a sequel. It’s really a stand-alone.